How to fly the Standard Overhead Join.
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- Опубліковано 22 лис 2017
- The Flying Reporter demonstrates how to fly the UK's Standard Overhead Join to Earls Colne Aerodrome.
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Really cool to see how some operations are carried out in the U.K. vs. here in the U.S. You sir deserve more subscribers. You gained one here!
+MrAviation101 cheers Josh. Good man!
Josh. Is there a difference to the overhead join in the US?
We’d call that a crosswind join in Aus, and if we were overflying to check the aerodrome before landing we’d be circuit height +500 feet not 1000. Apart from that all looks familiar. Nice video as always Jon 👍
In Canada we cross mid-field at circuit altitude and join mid-downwind at uncontrolled airports.
Althought I'm from Liverpool, UK, my first 36 hours of flying was in the US (Casper, Wyoming) in 1998. I had absolutely no issue flying over there and RT wasn't a problem. I only restarted flying lessons two years ago (with a 1-year hiatus last year to focus on ground school exams) and Liverpool is a lot busier. Over the US, I used to join the circuit mid-way downwind or straight in approach and never an overhead join. The join RT also included "...for the option" which I don't think we use here in the UK especially because around the larger aerodromes, we have VRPs (Visual Reference Points). During one lesson, I didn't study the VRPs (or which runway was in use) so when flying in to Hawrden, Radar/Approach said "G-LFSW. Route to Poulton then join base leg for Runway 22. You're No. 2", I didn't have a clue where I was supposed to go.
Ironcially, I find Jon's videos extremely beneficial help me transition from US to UK flyiing; especially the RT.
Two golden rules that cracked overhead joins for me:
1. Keep ALL TURNS in direction of circuit pattern i.e. left hand circuit = left hand turns.
2. Fly the overhead in said direction until the runway numbers you want are the "right way up" and then soon as they pass abeam your wing, start your descent on the dead-side!
This proves itself most useful at more difficult "A-frame" aerodromes.
Yeah, I've heard similar mantra. Seems sound to me.
Fantastic video. Wish I'd seen this months ago. You've explain this much clearer than anywhere else I've seen.
I'm 185hrs total and haven't yet done an overhead join, honestly most places don't do them any more with the absence of airfield symbols. Hoping I can do one soon with an instructor.
Really one of your best. I am just learning and it is great to see others doing this stuff in the real world with real world problems.
Great video as always Jon. That camera position under the right wing is superb and the day was crystal clear which makes it even better.
Thanks Tim. Agreed. If I get the angle right, it looks wonderful.
Hi Jon, another great video! You made the overhead join as clear as the weather. I will watch this time and time again.
Cheers Mike.
Thanks for posting this, one of the most straight forward and easy to follow videos on overhead joins I've seen on here!
Cheers Ronnie.
Beautifully explained ! Doing my PPL and I enjoy watching your videos ! Keep it up 💪
Good luck with the rest of the training.
Great video Jon. Such lovely weather as well. Sympathise with "getting children out of the door to school"!
Thanks Richard.
Yes another fantastic informative video Jon. I can imagine putting these videos together, planning flights and doing day to day stuff keeps you really busy. Love the videos though. Thanks.
Cheers Anthony.
A brilliant explanation of an overhead join. Something I was totally confused about until I saw this video.
Great video Jon. Lovely camera work and editing which made everything very clear.
Thanks JOn.
Lovely film Jon, most interesting, great external camera view, all round very enjoyable.
Thanks!
As a low hours Pilot, For me one of the best Overhead joint videos ,Also great tips from Rolo . Thanks
Thanks Philip.
Love the videos Jon, great help for my PPL training KEEP IT UP!!!
Thanks Callum.
Almost the same in Canada for uncontrolled aerodromes except you cross over midfield and not the threshold and you can enter the live downwind directly at a 45 degree angle
Loving the new external camera Jon - great new angle.
Thanks Stefan
Hey stef hows it goin and also hows milkshake
This is a fairly common procedure at Fairoaks (where I fly). Watching all the planes fly overhead and then straight over the café is cool to watch. Great informative vid as always. Keep it up!
Thanks for the comment.
Yet another great video Jon - and what greaser! I sat there a bit yeh 2000ft, yeh descend deadside to circuit height, yeh then turn downwind. In my early days with a PPL I joined overhead at what was Kemble, totally got it mixed up and had a head to head with a Twin that was doing it right. Scared the crap out of me and always did a sound job of briefing at after that! Bravo Jon - great video and sound advice to something that is straight forward but easy to get wrong! JP
Cheers Julian.
Great video Jon, thanks ! I have my QXC on Sunday (weather permitting, of course) which will involve a couple of these and they have taken a little while to get my around but it makes sense after practicing it a few times at Kemble.
Good luck on Sunday. I really enjoyed my QXC.
Fantastic video, I love the new underwing camera view!
Thanks Gareth.
Really love your work. Thank you so much Sir.
Hi Jon, another interesting and informative video - even for a fellow PPL as its great to be able to see approaches at fields I haven't yet visited, but may do in the future.
Thanks Andrew.
Good god. There are wider mountain roads in Donegal. Well done. Loving the graphics. More of that please. Also could you do something on cost. Buying, running etc
Excellent video, love the new camera views.
Cheers Rick.
Thanks for the video. I can see the benefit of the overhead join. We typically use a 45 degree entry at pattern altitude (from either side) here in the states as standard.
Thanks for watching.
Nice to see you back making informative videos once again Jon. Beats boys hover challenges... Welcome back. Interesting camera angles too. I call "Late Downwind" from the crosswind as by the time you are established you are often well into the downwind passed abeam the upwind numbers. Just don't know how you find the time to do all the things you do. Must be exhausting.
Thanks Claire.
Hi Jon. Thanks a lot for this. I did my first proper overhead join at Wellesbourne yesterday and found it difficult remembering the airspeed, flaps, when to turn etc. My instructor is great though - I just need to practice :) Really enjoyed this one and that landing, what can I say. Perfect! All the best.
Thanks Steve.
Similar to Marshall's comment you mentioned in the video about the process of planning a flight and how it can start the night before, if not earlier. Would be good to see a well produced flight planning video covering how/why you choose an aerodrome, how you plan your flight and interpret/incorporate the weather into your flying. These videos are fantastic. Great content as always!
I am working on this Dan.
Good, succinct explanation of a procedure which seems to tax many but is in essence quite simple, as you so ably demonstrated. Earls Colne was one of my solo land-aways as a student and I have to say I bottled the tarmac (I've seen wider footpaths) and opted for the grass. Touched down smoothly enough but unfortunately onto a slight raised bump which promptly threw me off towards the fence, so I got to use more of the runway than expected and in a totally different direction to the norm. Good fun!
Ha. I was picturing this as I read this!
Very useful! I will land there soon!👍🏻 thanks!!!
Hey Jon, Great video really like the new camera angle. I've never been to Earls Colne that runway reminds me of the old taxiway Redhill uses as a runway, it wasn't even straight. It was great fun, they have now made it straighter and wider. One point that really stuck out to me was time taken to set up the cameras. This is one of the reason I no longer film my flights (apart from the fact I never quite got the editing part). Driving to my base takes about 1hr 30mins taking the cover off, doing the A checks ( I have to get a ladder out to do the fuel checks), setting up the ipad, by that time I just want to get in the aircraft and fly not take another 15 minutes trying to set up cameras!
It's a real issue. You have to do it properly, and it can take me anywhere from 15 minutes, to an hour. The exterior mounts are still work in progress, and I wanted them set up for particular angles for this flight. I'm sure it'll get easier.
Hope all youtubers made the same quality and profesional videos......Thanks for your time..!
Thank you for this excellent video. :)
Hi Jon,
In your video description you say you're 'not an instructor, just a plain ole PPL'.
Factually that is correct of course, but I'm sure most watching your channel would agree that the content of your videos are far more informative than any instructor they've ever had!
I especially respect your willingness to put up the occasional mistake, there's no ego or machismo attached to your flying and it's a true pleasure to be able to see the work that goes into every flight.
Looking forward to the next video.
All the best,
Toby
Thanks Toby. I have to put the caveat in.
Fantastic video- I would as a training ppl pilot would like to see a video showing crosswind landing techniques if possible please- jamie
Excellent video
That was an awesome landing
As usual, enjoyable video 😎
Thanks Colin.
Thanks for making this John! Sam
Pleasure.
Hi Jon - Firstly, thanks for your fantastic, informative videos. I am a student pilot currently sitting at around 24 hours about to go first solo land away X Country . . .
I have just watched your overhead join video and noticed your stopwatch on your lap. What do you use out of interest please as I am struggling to find anything suitable?
Thanks in advance and thanks again for sharing your experiences !
Very interesting. I live in Clacton, which has airstrip near sea front
I'm aware, and people keep daring me to fly in there....the dare is more whether I'll get out again.
Thsnk for for making such good video .may I ask if u coild show me how do u get used to knowing the direction of where u are in relation to other planes ? Say someone suddenly report they sre in the free airspace practicing some stalls.how do u associate with those Information and how do u look out for traffic .could u please teach me please
That was great! Thank you
Wow u even circle and point out traffic ahead . Nice
Wonderful to see such great quality footage and fascinating to see the area I used to live in before moving to the USA. Have you flown to Andrewsfield? I took a trial flight from there, and a friend picked my up at Southend for a trip up the East Coast with lunch in Norfolk. Great times.
Thanks Martin. I've been to Andrewsfield just the once. Nice air strip.
Once again a great video helpful and informative , think your in the wrong job! Thanks Jon (hope Burty had a good day at school?)
Thanks Brian.
When you join overhead, and pass the windsock on your left, then find the circuit pattern is the other way (ie. landing thereshold is to your left as you cross the upwind end), things get a bit more complicated. Do you have a video, or know of any videos showing this? The CAA poster doesn't really show it either!
Nice overhead join in lovely sunshine. One question; do you not include carb heat in your down down wind checks?
Hi Jon, another great video, many thanks, and, as for the next topic, as Marshall below requests, a video about preparation, not walk around and engine checks, if we don't know how to do them, we should not be near an aircraft!!!, but where and how you place your camera's, what permissions you require for mounting camera's externally and what you mount them with. Following that, how about a video of you making the video, software used, music, royalty free versus licensed and costs, hardware / software setup etc. etc.Keep them coming, they are really appreciated.
Hi Keith. It's on my list of things to do.
I made one, flying in the PA 28 to the Bodensee in Germany. May you like it. I made a PA 28 Playlist and adde your Vids.
Great video Jon! It's fascinating how different ATC is in the UK compared to the US. It seems like you are constantly having to change your transponder code, and all of the handoffs are initiated by the pilot. It seems so confusing lol. I'm in the UK about twice a year for work, hopefully we can fly sometime!
Thanks Joshua, our radar system outside controlled airspace is not very joined up unfortunately, and there are coverage gaps. We have to 'freecall' virtually all the time, re-transmitting our flight plan, and getting new squawks. All part of the joy!
Brilliant thank you
I was taught to cross the runway mid position and not over the numbers. A lot of microlight planes have a very high climb rate and can easily reach circuit height before the numbers,if over the numbers at the end of the runway you could be crossing their climb out at a similar height. Radio is not compulsory in a microlight so they may not even know you are there and come up underneath you.
Thanks. I follow the CAA's published standard overhead join.
Great video! Love the vlog style intro. What did you use for the underwing shot? I'm looking to buy a 3rd GoPro and underwing attachment for my next film.
Hi. Thanks. Take a look at the FAQs on my website, where I answer this question. www.jonhunt.net/
What a beautiful landing! I notice that tne controler only gave a wind check and did not give you a clearance to land or like at City Airport Manchester Barton a " land at your discretion" is there any reason for this at this particular airfield just curious?
There are three types of aerodrome. Full ATC / AFIS (as in City Barton) / and then Air-ground. This is an air-ground (A/G) aerodrome. Chapter 6 of the Skyway Code explains this.
Bloody hell Jon that wasn't a runway you landed on it was a path wasn't it, I never flew into Earls Colne and glad I didn't but what a fantastic job you did mate. Awesome video absolutely awesome thank you once again for such a professional video. One non-flying question, can you tell me what software you use to edit your lovely videos.
Thanks David. I've used Final Cut Pro & Adobe Premiere Pro.
Hi Jon, As already mentioned. Let's see one with an approach from the dead side.
Yes Simon, that would be interesting to see. You tend to get a bit dizzy though.
Great video as always. What’s the camera mount you use on the underside of the wing?
Hi Ian. This is covered on my FAQs here : www.jonhunt.net/faq/
Thank you for posting. :-)
Pleasure.
Beautiful picture! Brilliant weather! Very nice view from under the wing! Cool!
Overhead join is a bit long and boring though :) Never do.
And I wonder, do you ever "play" with the mixture during the cruse phase of a flight? What's your procedure?
I do lean the mixture on longer/higher trips.
Great video Jon! Was this last Friday by any chance? If so that was a great CAVOK day out of Lydd. I made it up to Gravesend as part of my nav route exercise.
I think it was a monday.
Question? If the circuit height is 1000ft and an aerodrome has a qnh and a qfe would you enter QFE in to the altimiter and when would you enter it over head at 2000ft? And how would you avoid any controlled airspace?.
Thanks
That's at your discretion. If there's controlled airspace nearby, you might opt to stay on QNH. Typically you would set QFE when you have the field in sight.
I like your Videos.
Another great video. Do you still use pilot aware and what’s your opinion of usefulness?
I do use pilot aware. It's pretty good, but doesn't tell you much about aircraft that are transponding, but don't have adsb/pilot aware.
Hi, what app do you use for your navigation? Thank you!
Sky Demon.
Cool flight. btw where is your ipad with Skydemon
On my lap. Ran out of time to fit it to the yoke today.
What do you do if you arrive overhead (turning left) and then discover that you have to join a right hand circuit - would you U- turn on the non traffic side?
+kkiwi54 of normally, you'd know before you got there, but i guess if there is no radio, no written procedure, no other traffic, I'd assume left hand circuit, circle left, look at the signal square, and if it was showing right hand circuit, I'd leave the overhead, and reposition with right hand turns.
Jon - just watching this further to your recent video - am I right (based on that and that on this you are looking for planes joining downwind) that the OH is not mandatory - but advisable. In the event of problems / conflicts presumably the give way rules apply as normal even though someone may have not entered via the OHJ. Finally, what calls are mandatory - final and downwind? Thanks best A
Not quite sure of the question, but an OHJ gives you the chance to evaluate the aerodrome, see/hear what's in the circuit, joining or departing, and time your descent into the circuit accordingly. if you all arrive at a similar time, circling the overhead should get you all coordinated one behind the other. You're not just looking downwind, you're looking at the entire circuit below. The OHJ is rarely mandatory, but some aerodromes say they prefer it. I don't think any calls are mandatory - I could be wrong on that, but it would be good airmanship. You do HAVE to use your radio, if you have one, to establish the aerodrome information before you join. Does that help?
@@TheFlyingReporter yes thank you Jon
Must be one of the UK's narrowest tarmac runways and great film angles
It's tight!
When are you flying to Turweston, Sywell or Hinton next?
Turweston is certainly on my list Michael. Not sure when.
Very informative, if you wanted to would you be allowed to join the circuit on base leg?
It's an AFIS aerodrome, so pilots control themselves in the air, however if the AIP entry, or aerodrome published instructions say join overhead, or overhead join preferred, then I would be tempted to do as described.
The Flying Reporter thats great thanks 👍
Is the "controller" only providing traffic advisory services (assuming that's an uncontrolled aerodrome)? Agree with you on winter days being great for flying... You also don't sweat your brain off especially in a PA28 with no A/C!
Hi. We have three types of aerodrome in the UK. This is an AFIS aerodrome (Aerodrome Flight Information Service). They can give instructions on the ground, but can only give information for aircraft in the air.
Got it, thanks for the info! In AU it is somewhat different with the aerodrome being either controlled (towered) or non-controlled where pilots advise intentions on a common radio frequency (CTAF, Common Traffic Advisory Frequency). AFIS seems like a useful service especially for some busier aerodromes! Cheers from downunder!
I fly in the USA, so some of this is new to me. I'm curious about who it is acknowledging your radio calls? Does not sound like a tower controlled field as you're not "Cleared to land" but simply acknowledged. What's going on?
It's called an Air-Ground aerodrome. They can give information to a pilot, but can't give any instructions. So they can give me aerodrome information, and let me know if there's anything else in the circuit pattern, but that's about it.
Very helpful, thanks
Can I ask, what to do if arriving from other directions, say from the North in your example?
Keep up the good work.
Good question. Technically, you should continue around in the overhead at 2000ft above aerodrome level, going around in a circle, turns in the direction of the circuit pattern, until you reach the threshold of the runway in use then descend deadside and continue as the procedure. Some, cut this short, and just descend and join crosswind. The benefit of circling is that it enables joiners to establish what's going on in the circuit and fit in with other joining traffic.
The Flying Reporter thank you I wondered this too
You weren't kidding about the runway width.... No room for error so gusty conditions must prove challaging your Airmanship is 100% textbook
Is that a screw missing from the middle part of the leg fairing?!
+Sterlingjob yup.
The Flying Reporter MOR!!
Great explanation of the overhead join. What does "climbing to the overhead" mean? 😂
Usually that would be an aircraft departing from one of the runways, and climbing to the overhead...ie 2000ft above aerodrome level, and turning in the direction of the circuit.
Great help, thank you.
Same overhead “join” uncontrolled fields in France. Overhead we watch: windsock, taxying traffic, state of runways, presence of water...
I thought the “French” OHJ was to descend on the crosswind not the downwind.
It looked and sounded, from your video, as if you had called final whilst just initiating the turn on base leg and as yet not strictly on final !!
What about that flight to clacton 😉
Still not brave enough.
Offshore Four interested why you ask that? Lol, i learnt to drive up at the Earls Colne aerodrome back in the 80's living in Halstead nearby. But also remember as a kid watching pleasure flights take off Clacton, i just remember it being grassy?
The centerline is narrower than 10m yet we land on it 99 percent of the time, no? 😛
Looks like you landed on a sidewalk!