Airline Captain Explains VFR Standard Overhead Joins in FS2020!
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2020
- In this video, Jimbo explains the UK's mysterious 'Standard Overhead Join' procedure, specifically to confuse our American viewers.
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I'm a fairly new qualified pilot. Always trying to improve my flying and make myself as safe as possible.
There were two parts to this OHJ that I feel could have been flown with improved safety and interested to discuss.
First one was the approach. Approaching with the R/W slightly on your left and then making a left turn before turning right seems less than ideal. There could be other aircraft sat in the OH, and you wouldn't be far off a potential head-on. Better to have made that 'left turn' many miles earlier so you approached with the R/W comfortably on your right.
Second, the dead side to live side crossing at circuit height. Ideally this wants to be over the R/W threshold, but instead happened quite far upwind. This puts you in the danger zone of aircraft taking off in the climb. I appreciate it was for sequencing with another aircraft, but personally would rather avoid crossing the climb out path and would have stayed in the OH doing another 'lap' before descending.
Hi there, thanks for the comment! I'm not the chap who made this video (I was one of the traffic pattern planes) but I'll try to address your points on Jimbo's behalf.
You're quite right - turns opposite to circuit direction should be kept out of the ATZ. As per the joining position, you'd absolutely aim for the departure end numbers normally. That said, sometimes it's perfectly safe to extend this upwind to sequence with another aircraft. Good situational awareness is key here.
Interestingly, a senior CAA examiner I spoke to recently was of the opinion that the SOHJ is pretty inherently unsafe in busy environments due to funnelling everyone into the overhead at the same height and that we should be just slotting onto circuit legs or joining downwind as per the US method. Pretty sure you could argue until the cows come home about this!
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Very useful video! Thanks
Thank you! Stay tuned for more videos we hope will be useful 👍
Excellent explanation. Nice and easy to follow.
Glad to hear it!
WOW this helped so much I have to do this exact Join at gamston for upcoming my qualifying cross country! :)
That’s really good to hear! Best of luck on your qualifier!
That was a really enjoyable video. Excellent. Thank you 😀
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
Aren't you supposed to join crosswind at 1,000ft above the numbers 03? You shouldn't go beyond the 03 numbers as it risks interfering with traffic taking off on 21.
I'm not the one who made this video, but yes you're supposed to join 1,000ft AGL on crosswind assuming that the circuit is supposed to be at that height. Given that Jimbo was flying on QNH perhaps the difference is down to this?
In terms of your positioning, I find you have to make a bit of a judgement call with that - over the numbers if someone is still over the tarmac for sure, but often it's safer to take it out wide and join behind an aircraft if they're already established on crosswind themselves, rather than cut inside them over the numbers.
I've seen another video where the pilot says keep the runway on your left, that was for a lefthand circuit, is that the same for RH or do you keep it on the right??
As you’re flying the circuit, you keep the runway to the left in a left hand pattern and vice versa. The join is supposed to be done with only turns in circuit direction also.
Just for clarification... you ALWAYS turn same direction as in the circuit when joining overhead and going to the dead side? Or are there exceptions?
Yep, that’s the principle. You try to make sure you’re never turning head on with another aircraft by only turning one way.
I feel so confused. 😵💫
- American pilot
They're very common in the UK, somewhat in Australia. I don't believe you do them at all in the States?
Do you just join a circuit leg each time?