What Was Valve Hiding? - Steam Deck Teardown Reaction

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  • @TheOnceAndFutureDoug
    @TheOnceAndFutureDoug 2 роки тому +2492

    To their "don't do this" message, as someone who designs and builds interfaces, messages like this have nothing to do with people who know why they can ignore them. Valve isn't talking to Linus or Anthony or any repair shop. Anyone who knows what a static wrist strap is and can intelligently discuss why you might or might not need one is not who that message is for.
    That message is for baby Linus who's only built his first computer and it was under heavy supervision from an adult who know what they were doing. You warn that guy and telling someone why makes it more likely a warning will stick.
    Think of it this way: You approach one line and see a sign saying, "You shouldn't cross this line." and then you see another line on the other side saying, "You shouldn't cross this line because it's a live-fire range and you will get shot." Which of those two lines are you going to pay more attention to?

    • @andrewli8900
      @andrewli8900 2 роки тому +151

      This explanation needs more likes.

    • @mndlessdrwer
      @mndlessdrwer 2 роки тому +272

      This. This so hard. Managers, in particular, need to understand why this concept is so important. You can tell your excited new employee "this is how it's always been done" every time they come to you with an idea about how to improve workflows, but doing so will only make them bitter and ruin your relationship with them. However, if you can explain the justification for WHY it is better to stick with the existing methodology, then they can better accept that reasoning and not feel like they're bashing their head against a brick wall.

    • @rhyzhyn
      @rhyzhyn 2 роки тому +8

      *Preach*

    • @MyNameIsBucket
      @MyNameIsBucket 2 роки тому +156

      Basically Valve devs are proud of their device and are excited to get it in the hands of fellow nerds - but then the legal department steps in to cover everyone's asses.

    • @garfieldandfriends1
      @garfieldandfriends1 2 роки тому +87

      They are literally treating their users as uneducated idiots in general. Not in a bad way because it's true most of their general users (probably 95%) are just uninformed people who don't know jackshit about tech components and repairing

  • @CobraDBlade
    @CobraDBlade 2 роки тому +3816

    "People aren't going to be opening this thing up for fun"
    3 Days after Steam Deck releases: New LTT Video titled "We Water Cooled the Steam Deck!"

    • @katech6020
      @katech6020 2 роки тому +67

      and GN Steve will tear it apart 1h after launch

    • @HanSolo__
      @HanSolo__ 2 роки тому +28

      And they are flooding a heat sink in a kitchen sink or Alex just pours the water from the jar (he took from the kitchen) thru it.

    • @3ountyhunter
      @3ountyhunter 2 роки тому +27

      Liquid metal Steam Deck

    • @DuyNguyen-yx2vd
      @DuyNguyen-yx2vd 2 роки тому +7

      Which probably involves them dunking a giant heat sink into a bucket or Alex blowing into a pipe.

    • @Akegata42
      @Akegata42 2 роки тому +13

      You could argue that that's going to be done for profit rather than fun though.
      Although it's obviously a bit of both.

  • @mobs2r
    @mobs2r 2 роки тому +1613

    Everybody is freaking out over the replacement parts for the Steam Deck, but you clearly don't know Valve. A friend of mine got an officially sourced replacement olive for his Team Fortress 2 Sandvich replica. That is real customer service.

    • @trazyntheinfinite9895
      @trazyntheinfinite9895 2 роки тому +113

      A officialy sourced what for the whatnow?
      What?

    • @shimrarin2660
      @shimrarin2660 2 роки тому +117

      @@trazyntheinfinite9895 sandvich

    • @IrLosin
      @IrLosin 2 роки тому +88

      it's sad that we live in a world where things like these are special, but it made me want to buy one more now. As an example: I have never bought an apple product in my life, even when it was the better option, just because of the way they handle repairs and customer support.

    • @Megasty15
      @Megasty15 2 роки тому +42

      @@IrLosin As an individual that has to interact with apple products on a daily basis, I can say for sure that I will NEVER personally own one, EVER.

    • @Texas240
      @Texas240 2 роки тому +6

      @@IrLosin - Initially, I didn't get an I phone because they were AT&T only and I didn't have AT&T. In the years since they have been available to me, that's the single reason why I have never owned one.

  • @TheL0rd0fSpace
    @TheL0rd0fSpace 2 роки тому +3070

    Man actually managed to hear back from Valve quicker than the entirety of the TF2 community

    • @thunderdoggogaming6368
      @thunderdoggogaming6368 2 роки тому +107

      I’m literally getting a steam deck to see if I can play tf2 on it 😂

    • @asdasd-ty9se
      @asdasd-ty9se 2 роки тому +50

      @@thunderdoggogaming6368 the answer is yes

    • @trash_girlfriend
      @trash_girlfriend 2 роки тому +61

      @@asdasd-ty9se the answer is that who'd play a fast paced arena fps on analog sticks

    • @asdasd-ty9se
      @asdasd-ty9se 2 роки тому +76

      @@trash_girlfriend me, and apparently him

    • @StuartFknLil
      @StuartFknLil 2 роки тому +17

      @@trash_girlfriend there's also gryo controls.

  • @will24655
    @will24655 2 роки тому +4000

    "Don't play with fireworks... however, it is cool" - Valve probably.

    • @TheMrR9
      @TheMrR9 2 роки тому +20

      why not play with fireworks?

    • @masterpig5s
      @masterpig5s 2 роки тому +6

      Yeah

    • @ivanbenja4
      @ivanbenja4 2 роки тому +173

      @@TheMrR9 Probably because a lot of people had their fingers blown off, or had a rocket explode in their face....
      Just a thought...

    • @thacoolest13
      @thacoolest13 2 роки тому +115

      @@ivanbenja4 Some of those clips are so gruesome too... Gotta remember that fireworks are literally flying explosives made to look pretty. Flying explosives are generally not something to take lightly

    • @CJRussell
      @CJRussell 2 роки тому +19

      @@TheMrR9 Fireworks are cool you just have to practice good safety with them

  • @k2cr
    @k2cr 2 роки тому +3152

    I think, to be fair to Valve, they're adding all the "don't do this disclaimers" to prevent being responsible for when someone who genuinely has no clue what they're doing attempts it and cites the teardown as their source and attempts to open a lawsuit; rather than being an actual "don't do this".

    • @Benjamoose
      @Benjamoose 2 роки тому +199

      Exactly! They're forgetting the sheer power of a manufacturer saying, on their main UA-cam channel "here is how to open this".
      Just the fact that the video exists in such a mainstream area of their channel, is enough to have a ton of people that don't know what they're doing, opening their device just because "Valve said it's my right and has a tutorial", so they're going ham with the warnings so that the kind of people that'd make stupid mistakes, will give up before they start and not cause damage to their system. The kind of people that have done the research and are willing to take the risk can see right through the warnings, just like Linus did.
      I don't blame Valve honestly. I've literally seen people pry batteries out with sharp objects, that have then exploded, and you LTT are forgetting their own experiences; that while they think some things are common sense (e.g. opening a device to spray compressed air) their forgetting how they've cringed hard at inexperienced people pulling out PC components, snapping off tabs, for what is essentially adult LEGO.

    • @twizl4
      @twizl4 2 роки тому +12

      @Bueno Sama9494 I’m sure they will. As they said opening the steam deck and breaking it from opening it. Isnt covered by warranty

    • @jrwynn49
      @jrwynn49 2 роки тому +26

      @Bueno Sama9494 yeah but when submitting an official video breakdown. They are in the right to protect themselves from any possible outcomes… we have seen crazy cases from wild clams

    • @G1NZOU
      @G1NZOU 2 роки тому +38

      A agree, it's the "we recognise you have a right to do this, but please for your own sake only do it if you actually know what you're doing and understand the consequences".
      It's refreshing for a company to actually take this stance as opposed to the "we're going to make it as hard as possible for you to do anything" shance.

    • @rararasputin8608
      @rararasputin8608 2 роки тому +4

      Yeah, it checks out as a "be aware of what you're doing and all".

  • @adolfobisi6027
    @adolfobisi6027 2 роки тому +1478

    "amateur means for the love of" after a research i found that its literally the origin of the word amateur. wow each day we get more impressed with anton's knowledge. That guy is a myth

    • @starpilotalliance
      @starpilotalliance 2 роки тому +57

      This changes perspective on many things.

    • @xenorac
      @xenorac 2 роки тому +3

      @@starpilotalliance You don't say!

    • @vpxc
      @vpxc 2 роки тому +28

      the olympics has always explicitly been a competition for amateurs

    • @fausses
      @fausses 2 роки тому +12

      A russian word for amateur is literally a lover of something

    • @SteelyEyedH
      @SteelyEyedH 2 роки тому +10

      Amazing. Yes, Anthony for the win, I didn't know that and now learnt even more

  • @PrismPoint
    @PrismPoint 2 роки тому +325

    A note on the seemingly mixed messaging of "you can open it, but don't," remember that this is potentially a competitor to the switch, a device marketed to everyone from hobbyists to toddlers to grandmas. Anyone who regularly tears these things down will anyway, but valve probably doesn't want people to think you can just pop it open like an android phone's battery compartment.

    • @hawapowax
      @hawapowax 2 роки тому +13

      This

    • @logosrule
      @logosrule 9 місяців тому +2

      "Android phone's battery compartment"
      Sadge. I miss easy to remove back plates.

  • @dumpsterdawg
    @dumpsterdawg 2 роки тому +4529

    Linus: "I can see myself opening it"
    Also known as "Dropping"

    • @veirfy
      @veirfy 2 роки тому +12

      LOL

    • @wacom7
      @wacom7 2 роки тому +41

      later in the video Linus: "people make mistakes"

    • @viv12348
      @viv12348 2 роки тому +12

      Well, I thinks he can actually open it...by dropping

    • @Noise-Bomb
      @Noise-Bomb 2 роки тому +35

      That's what's called RUD - rapid unplanned disassembly.

    • @512TheWolf512
      @512TheWolf512 2 роки тому +8

      he's gonna pre-open it before so, as the guy in the video said, it crack open better when dropped

  • @typingwords
    @typingwords 2 роки тому +3006

    I appreciate how specific and careful they're being when talking about the risks, compared to a PC, people buying a steamdeck might have zero repair experience and it's better to be safe than sorry

    • @josephstalin1802
      @josephstalin1802 2 роки тому +9

      A pc people ah yes the guy who failed basic English

    • @xavierpacheco7533
      @xavierpacheco7533 2 роки тому +300

      @@josephstalin1802 ok keyboard warrior crawl back into your cave now and don’t come back

    • @PineJayForge
      @PineJayForge 2 роки тому +48

      PC people wouldn't even necessarily be too at home in it. It's built more like a combination of a phone and a game controller than it is a PC

    • @jaalm4711
      @jaalm4711 2 роки тому +12

      So if you plug Cpu and ram and gpu. You are an expert at repairing stuff ?

    • @derangemeldete
      @derangemeldete 2 роки тому +35

      @agapp11able why would you need to take it apart to install linux? did you need to flash a bios on the chip directly or something?

  • @shogun5599
    @shogun5599 2 роки тому +395

    Best thing I've ever heard
    "I can afford to break my steam deck"
    People often forget that just because Linus did it doesn't mean it's a good idea he can afford to break shit.

    • @benstanfill363
      @benstanfill363 2 роки тому +29

      My music class teacher said the same thing about the keyboards we used. He said no drinks on them, and that he put his coffee on his because he could afford to replace them, but we couldn't. He was right of course.

    • @eluruguayo5122
      @eluruguayo5122 2 роки тому +2

      i cant afford to break my steam deck... so, i cant break it while its open ;)

  • @kilm2232
    @kilm2232 2 роки тому +839

    Here's the interesting part: These companies, Fairphone, Valve, etc who are making their products repairable? Give it time for the generations of younger users to get used to these products and this 'right to repair' and you'll see the significant uptick in kids entering into STEM as they get hands on experience of repairing electronic equipment.

    • @SrLupinotuum
      @SrLupinotuum 2 роки тому +37

      This something I didn't thought of that I completely agree on

    • @xenorac
      @xenorac 2 роки тому +8

      Ooh i like that!

    • @takeiteasy6346
      @takeiteasy6346 2 роки тому +3

      not really but ok

    • @theforerunnerreclaimer
      @theforerunnerreclaimer 2 роки тому +20

      I got into stem a few years ago when I found and fixed a 2008 hp laptop, so yes I 100% agree

    • @sebastiangorka200
      @sebastiangorka200 2 роки тому +16

      bro youre acting like theres not enough kids in stem like what

  • @iAmTheSquidThing
    @iAmTheSquidThing 2 роки тому +813

    In fairness, they're saying "Leave this to professionals." not "Leave this to us." I think the most important thing is that you can take a device to your choice of repair-shop.

    • @chandradharkoneti
      @chandradharkoneti 2 роки тому +79

      That's a good point. They have already displayed that they are RtR friendly. So this is just the same philosophy continuing.

    • @Mopantsu
      @Mopantsu 2 роки тому +4

      I hope they provide a list of approved repair shops in each country it is sold.

    • @Smoky_Shots
      @Smoky_Shots 2 роки тому +28

      @@Mopantsu approved titles just jack up prices, not quality of service. Find a shop you know does quality work if you are taking in for repair

    • @DonnyStanley
      @DonnyStanley 2 роки тому +16

      Yeah, I mean I'm sure places like Louis Rossman's shop would be more than qualified to do this sort of thing. They just need to not be prohibited by the manufacturer.

    • @kinabalucat
      @kinabalucat 2 роки тому +2

      They're saying opening up steam deck can kill you

  • @HughJeffreys
    @HughJeffreys 2 роки тому +14193

    "...You have every right to open it up and do what you want"
    *iPhone 13 has left the chat.*

  • @spoony49
    @spoony49 2 роки тому +216

    Valve pulling out the good guy card at time when we needed it the most. A lot of respect was earned through this video.

  • @puppy0cam
    @puppy0cam 2 роки тому +92

    The part I respect valve for is that when they are telling you not to do specific things in it, they give you a proper reason for how such an action could affect the rest of the device. Even if I don't fully understand it, it's a good leaping off point to do my own research into the subject to help increase my understanding of why they don't recommend it.

  • @noottoot1523
    @noottoot1523 2 роки тому +868

    Kudos for valve for doing what every tech company should do: recognizing that if you buy a product, you own it.

    • @nullventura546
      @nullventura546 2 роки тому +38

      Unfortunately, this is how companies are today, in addition to the fact that all technological products tend to become obsolete very quickly because they want to create a cyclical consumer market

    • @ahbabraufahmed3058
      @ahbabraufahmed3058 2 роки тому

      @Amina & Hiba Show confusion but k

    • @DeosPraetorian
      @DeosPraetorian 2 роки тому +9

      Except for the part where the games you buy on steam arent

    • @sujimayne
      @sujimayne 2 роки тому

      That doesn't mean they have to offer you warranty if you open the device or tinker with it.

    • @sujimayne
      @sujimayne 2 роки тому

      @@nullventura546 This is false.

  • @vietnamesecat5781
    @vietnamesecat5781 2 роки тому +1750

    Valve : shows how to dissemble the steam deck
    Ifixit: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN

  • @yesitsmecsd
    @yesitsmecsd 2 роки тому +388

    I love that Linus seems to forget that we now live in a world where Tide Pods have to have a "DO NOT EAT" warning label!

    • @sirpieman300
      @sirpieman300 2 роки тому +8

      and.. are locked up as well! XD

    • @charlesblasini2134
      @charlesblasini2134 2 роки тому +2

      Tide Pods have always had a Do Not Eat label

    • @starsnipe-yp5hx
      @starsnipe-yp5hx 2 роки тому +3

      @@charlesblasini2134 yeah its used as a point even tho some kids can read but think it looks yummy

    • @tcgdude
      @tcgdude Рік тому

      @@charlesblasini2134 ......uh.....

    • @dontdoxmebro
      @dontdoxmebro 11 місяців тому +1

      That was a meme by zoomers and boomers fell for it. Only one kid ever did it, and it was by accident making fun of the meme.

  • @Canthus13
    @Canthus13 2 роки тому +180

    Everything they said to deter you was required by their legal team. That was somewhat of a 'wink-wink-nudge-nudge'.

    • @poplix2704
      @poplix2704 2 роки тому +6

      yep, they need to sayy that

  • @VallornDeathblade
    @VallornDeathblade 2 роки тому +1187

    Valve: "You have every right to open it up and do what you want."
    Louis Rossmann: "YES"

    • @DingleFlop
      @DingleFlop 2 роки тому +18

      Rossmann**

    • @msihcs8171
      @msihcs8171 2 роки тому +72

      Not only did he say you can open it, he also said they'd PROVIDE a way to get spare parts, as stated in the video this shouldn't make Valve stand out . . . but it does

    • @LKonstantina915
      @LKonstantina915 2 роки тому +13

      ayeeee was literally thinking of him when i saw this LOL

    • @wwjdtd1
      @wwjdtd1 2 роки тому +21

      @@DingleFlop even if it is just battery and thumb sticks, that will be better than pretty much any one else.
      I hope to see a Rossman video about this in the next 48 hours.

    • @thatguyalex2835
      @thatguyalex2835 2 роки тому +3

      Same. I love Louis Rossmann & Valve. :) I was gonna make a Rossmann comment, but you beat me to it by 31 minutes. Lol

  • @jamiegreig9699
    @jamiegreig9699 2 роки тому +1491

    I agree with the aggressive "don't do this" stance Valve is taking. In the end anyone who feels comfortable was going to open it regardless. If you have any doubts about opening a device like this you ABSOLUTELY SHOULDN'T

    • @whoiamiamnot2104
      @whoiamiamnot2104 2 роки тому +83

      It's called cya. Valve is just giving themselves some cover for when somebody kills their Steam Deck and sues cause warranty doesn't cover whatever mistake is made.

    • @Slepnair
      @Slepnair 2 роки тому +160

      They're walking the line of "don't do this, but also, it's yours, do what you want". a cautious right to repair type stance, which is pretty awesome.

    • @JackPorter
      @JackPorter 2 роки тому +24

      like linus said, if you can't tell with your two fingers the screw is done screwing in, don't use a torque driver, instead just don't open the device. that's like grandad or kid level, just jamming it in there with the might of Zeus... don't strictly have to hand it to a professional but simply someone that has screwed a screw into plastic at least once before, lol.

    • @heimkhal2.097
      @heimkhal2.097 2 роки тому +18

      Also, the majority of the population could not or should not open it up on their own. However, the demographics for the Steam Deck might be more likely to have the ability than to switch owners for example.

    • @ERIKBGOOD
      @ERIKBGOOD 2 роки тому +5

      As someone whos broken hundreds of devices by not knowing better yeah don't do this.

  • @thereader14
    @thereader14 2 роки тому +72

    I feel like the biggest thing about this is that.. clearly you guys know what you're doing, some people really, really, really don't. Valve has to protect themselves in case some idiot hurts themself.
    Also this is the first time I've watched you guys and I highly appreciate the level of information you provided so thanks :)
    Also lol, I want to pay more and build it myself hahaha

  • @sirhenry1714
    @sirhenry1714 2 роки тому +35

    I dont think the "dont open it!" was adressed to those with legitimate reasons but rather to those who are too curious for their own good or too stupid to understand, that this teardown is not meant to be done unless you have to.

  • @ProjectJamesify
    @ProjectJamesify 2 роки тому +9212

    "Together with my co-host Anthony"
    *Happiness noises*

  • @imark7777777
    @imark7777777 2 роки тому +1514

    The ability to buy every part individually, that's going to lead to some some seriously cool aftermarket mods, custom cases and accessibility hacks!

    • @VegitoBlackityBlack
      @VegitoBlackityBlack 2 роки тому +36

      Stronger processor?

    • @Drickles0
      @Drickles0 2 роки тому +46

      @@VegitoBlackityBlack ding ding ding ding ding

    • @AniRayn
      @AniRayn 2 роки тому +57

      Yeaah, imagine being able to mod and customize (what is essentially) a PC. Oh, wait.

    • @deadpanfish
      @deadpanfish 2 роки тому +5

      The screws are designed for one single use. To never be removed and or replaced. The clearances on the device can be lost by doing this alone. You nerds already lost. Game over

    • @drutt1985
      @drutt1985 2 роки тому +35

      @@deadpanfish there's ways around problems like that when it comes to plastic especiall. just put some drops of glue, let it harden and try to put the screw back and hopefully it will cut new threads. Has worked for me maybe 60% of the time.

  • @tribaltalker1608
    @tribaltalker1608 2 роки тому +72

    "Amateur" is often just used negatively although it has a much broader meaning. A bit like "drugs" (I take some every day because... medicine) and "protest" - Shakespearean characters protest their love, no negatives, no placards. Language is a toolkit many of us have been trained not to use to its fullest extent. Bravo Anthony!

  • @kingdanett4043
    @kingdanett4043 2 роки тому +38

    Honestly seeing how compact this system is it really does make the excessive warnings make sense because if it's your first time disassembling something you won't know that this particular system is close to an expert level teardown.

    • @derp195
      @derp195 Рік тому +1

      It’s the kind of thing where, if you know better, you know what advice you can ignore.
      If you don’t know that you can ignore certain advice, then you should follow it. Totally fair.

  • @XenoFireStar
    @XenoFireStar 2 роки тому +844

    Making the whole thing available in pieces / "exploded form" would be such a major f you to Apple and Nintendo. I love it. Please do this Valve.

    • @tophan5146
      @tophan5146 2 роки тому +19

      So turns out you don’t have to use government coercion.

    • @ElectricityTaster
      @ElectricityTaster 2 роки тому +28

      Steam Deck is a standard, not a product. I call it Volvo-ITX.

    • @kurnikov613
      @kurnikov613 2 роки тому

      .

    • @snerttt
      @snerttt 2 роки тому +1

      Not happening

    • @jamcdonald120
      @jamcdonald120 2 роки тому +13

      Major fu to most laptop manufacturers too

  • @AabhasLall
    @AabhasLall 2 роки тому +1172

    Oh my God, does that mean I can replace just the part that is faulty and keep the rest of the hardware in the same working condition, thereby not only extending the lifespan of my product but the overall support lifespan from the company because of easily available repair parts meaning long term sales and support all the while reducing the amount of E-waste and stress on natural resources?
    Kind of like the products designed by people "back in the day"?
    Good job Valve. And I would totally buy a fully LEGO version of any electronic device.

    • @nullventura546
      @nullventura546 2 роки тому +13

      It is a handheld PC, I had to have it because that is the PC world (not laptops, sad), the problems will be more than anything to expand the storage, even so everything else is pretty good

    • @boneappletee6416
      @boneappletee6416 2 роки тому +30

      Absolutely, LEGO electronic devices for the win! (Framework-style :) )
      Can't wait till I can afford an *AMD* ;) version of the Framework laptop and build it myself.

    • @adamadkins7489
      @adamadkins7489 2 роки тому +11

      Yeah, Switch lite consumer are completely at the mercy of Nintendo and we all know shitty Nintendo can be.

    • @chenhuan6686
      @chenhuan6686 2 роки тому +17

      Considering that Valve doesn't make a lot or even lose some money (at least for the cheapest version), longevity would be important for them to earn the money "back" by selling games. Otherwise, one would *switch* to another handheld device.

    • @tkermi
      @tkermi 2 роки тому +2

      @@chenhuan6686 That's a good point.

  • @Shamazor1234
    @Shamazor1234 2 роки тому +33

    I love this back and forth commentary. Anthony is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to hardware, and I love to hear his opinion.

    • @charles3840
      @charles3840 2 роки тому +6

      And Linus adds the business side. He explains why they made the manufacturing decisions they have.

    • @tcgdude
      @tcgdude Рік тому +1

      Both sides equally important :)

  • @ericmackrodt9441
    @ericmackrodt9441 2 роки тому +37

    I wasn't that interested initially but the repairability mentality that valve has with this makes me want to support them.

  • @1leggeddog
    @1leggeddog 2 роки тому +1418

    Valve: "You own your product."
    Apple: "I'm gonna ignore that."

    • @interstellardumbassery7514
      @interstellardumbassery7514 2 роки тому +77

      Apple: What is this poor people language you speak of?

    • @Micr0.
      @Micr0. 2 роки тому +42

      Apple: “You want to customise your device? Good luck with that.”

    • @zhila5958
      @zhila5958 2 роки тому +26

      nowadays you aren’t even allowed to own your product

    • @flyingdutchman1352
      @flyingdutchman1352 2 роки тому +55

      Apple smells like my balls and I haven't showered in 8 days

    • @Draglox
      @Draglox 2 роки тому +7

      @@flyingdutchman1352 LMAO

  • @falxie_
    @falxie_ 2 роки тому +1256

    Valve: "Noo don't take apart our hardware that would be awwfull *wink* *wink* "

    • @Dublin_N
      @Dublin_N 2 роки тому +94

      All I got from that part is "the Steam Deck can end your life"

    • @usernamesnull
      @usernamesnull 2 роки тому +94

      Valve: We cannot condone tearing apart this hardware"
      Also Valve: do whatever you want, actually here's a guide for it

    • @boxhead6177
      @boxhead6177 2 роки тому +53

      Valve: Please don't pull apart your machine... but its your machine and we did give the combined PC modding community + Linux Enthusiasts a brand new toy.
      They do have to accept a lot of these units are going to be gutted, modified and rebuilt, running different software and probably being used in unexpected ways.
      Its better than Sony who told people not to even change the shell on a the PS5, and DBrand releasing a product egging Sony to sue them :P

    • @zedaddy3530
      @zedaddy3530 2 роки тому +8

      @@usernamesnull they're just giving you advices while saying "who am i to interfere with your life. It's not poggers but if that's what you wanna do and it isnt illegal, well then go ahead". And that's a really great move

    • @Ulexcool
      @Ulexcool 2 роки тому

      @@Dublin_N That´s the reason nobody likes you.

  • @TheN8ism
    @TheN8ism 2 роки тому +37

    “Your fingers are the only real torque wrench you’ll ever need” Says the guy who bought an $800 torque wrench for the Threadripper.

    • @t.c.b4722
      @t.c.b4722 2 роки тому +2

      You gotta excuse Linus, he's got so much cash he can't even think of enough ways to spend it.

  • @CokeBoi
    @CokeBoi 2 роки тому +5

    Bro at 2:50 Linus's eyes did a hard reset lmao

  • @RamkrishanYT
    @RamkrishanYT 2 роки тому +735

    One thing to keep in mind is that the Steam Deck audience is much broader than the more technical LTT audience, and it's good that they spilled in so many warnings for the average kid that might hurt themselves if doing it wrong. I can see my 13 yr old self opening shit for fun without any regards for safety

    • @LithFox
      @LithFox 2 роки тому +70

      My best friend, who has not built her own computer yet, pre-ordered one. So yes. This is accurate.
      Not just kids, just people in general.

    • @ark_knight
      @ark_knight 2 роки тому +9

      Well, it would be dangerous - only for yo wallet

    • @eagle7015
      @eagle7015 2 роки тому +21

      I at 13 have opened alot of stuff and never put it back

    • @almaefogo
      @almaefogo 2 роки тому +17

      @@eagle7015 when I was 13 80% of the stuff I opened didn't got put together again, just had fun trying to learn how it worked or just because

    • @ekksoku
      @ekksoku 2 роки тому +13

      @@LithFox alright buddy, you know a female, no need to brag

  • @Graphics_Card
    @Graphics_Card 2 роки тому +1515

    “Why you really shouldn’t do this”
    *Proceeds to go beyond the 4th dimension*

    • @veirfy
      @veirfy 2 роки тому +4

      Lmaooo

    • @veirfy
      @veirfy 2 роки тому +6

      DONT!!!

    • @viztiz316
      @viztiz316 2 роки тому +41

      @@veirfy We won't.
      I've reported your comment for spam though ;)

    • @veirfy
      @veirfy 2 роки тому +4

      @@viztiz316 thank you :) lol

    • @icedelectriced
      @icedelectriced 2 роки тому

      I went to deep!

  • @aaronu6870
    @aaronu6870 2 роки тому +8

    I like that anyone thinking "🤔 I could probably handle that" might decide against it having seen this video, but anyone familiar with these things will smile and nod through the warnings and get to work.

  • @traviswilliams3209
    @traviswilliams3209 2 роки тому +17

    The size of the boards greatly affects its strength, being that they made it drop resistant, small boards make a lot of sense

  • @SunnyShuklathedoctor
    @SunnyShuklathedoctor 2 роки тому +433

    I guess Gabe is taking his "piracy is service problem not price" to the hardware level as well. If Valve starts setting these standards and they sell well, it will make at least 1 other company to mimic them, and it is a great, great thing.

    • @CazRaX
      @CazRaX 2 роки тому +31

      You know I never thought about it but that quote is right, I'm a bit of a dirty on-eyed, pegleg yet I have bought almost all Valve games even though I could get them free.

    • @farukk3646
      @farukk3646 2 роки тому +26

      I was thinking the same thing whole video. Their stand on piracy is: by doing a good business it will decreases, which it hugely did after they emerged in Turkish market. And I bought so many games on steam after I completed their pirated versions when I didnt have the money, just because I wanted they earn something from me.

    • @Vysair
      @Vysair 2 роки тому

      @@CazRaX Same here like Ubisoft shitty connect or the unreasonable DRM.

  • @Brandonien
    @Brandonien 2 роки тому +990

    They actually give 3rd party references for components. Absolutely incredible.

    • @TheAssassin2332
      @TheAssassin2332 2 роки тому +40

      Right to repair is an awesome thing, its finally happening slowly😅

    • @Bacontsu
      @Bacontsu 2 роки тому +21

      @Jimbo Bimbo it should, but valve were one of the rare companies that does it

    • @ShakeITyEA
      @ShakeITyEA 2 роки тому +3

      holy shit, Valve paid attention to the right to repair fiasko and did the exact opposite.

    • @zn316
      @zn316 2 роки тому

      Thats why Valve machine is good way of investment

  • @linkfiedproductions2246
    @linkfiedproductions2246 2 роки тому +15

    Why does Valve have to be the best company always? I am so happy they exist, they feel like normal people who happen to be good natured.

    • @derp195
      @derp195 Рік тому +2

      They’re really the only truly good and principled companies around in this industry.

  • @iTzTWINSiTz
    @iTzTWINSiTz 2 роки тому +11

    The more I see about this thing.. the more likely I am to buy one for every room. They're doing so well from every front and i respect their approach to this. Well played.

  • @42DangerVision
    @42DangerVision 2 роки тому +694

    I love that the Valve rep emailed Linus back quickly enough that they were still filming the segment. 👍

    • @bread8718
      @bread8718 2 роки тому +18

      Damn bruh spoilers

    • @Seruphin
      @Seruphin 2 роки тому +33

      Ooor was it a "Pick-up" 10:41 since these guys are the pros

    • @tangledearphones5512
      @tangledearphones5512 2 роки тому +1

      How to tell I'm looking for attention without telling...

    • @internetspectator6051
      @internetspectator6051 2 роки тому +1

      @@bread8718 how bout u dont scroll through the comments while watching the video if ur worried about spoilers? u deserve it.

  • @xm8553
    @xm8553 2 роки тому +693

    So happy to hear valve specifically state “it’s your product you have the right to do what you want with it.”Idk what it is about the steam deck but I am so excited for it!

    • @sourdonkeyjuice
      @sourdonkeyjuice 2 роки тому +5

      More companies need to follow Valve's lead! This is awesome

    • @bagusamartya5325
      @bagusamartya5325 2 роки тому +31

      The bar is so low such simple message can be so amazing. This whole video is like a clapback at Apple for their anti repair stance

    • @kellywu4061
      @kellywu4061 2 роки тому +2

      I’m also excited for Linux gaming

    • @leem4279
      @leem4279 2 роки тому +1

      Don't we technically rent games from steam though?

    • @FangerZero
      @FangerZero 2 роки тому

      It's the smallest PC I know of that can play legit games, on top of that it opens the door for us gamers to kick Windows to the curb! Sadly not all games, my MMOs companies I doubt will work on linux at launch, but I definitely look forward to sitting in bed before I sleep playing whatever single player game I'm working on for maybe 30 minutes or something and then just going to bed. Instead of turn off whatever peripherals I'm using.
      How can someone not be excited? I just hope w/ the shortages and pandemic build quality won't be affected, I'd rather wait than get something that is defective.

  • @elin_lyze
    @elin_lyze 2 роки тому +4

    Mad respect for using an EVT unit to showcase this. That is a very early production sample, usually without texture and coatings etc!

  • @TheGiuse45
    @TheGiuse45 2 роки тому +1

    I'm gonna share a BIG TIP FOR NOT MESSING UP THE THREADS ON THE SELF TAPPING HOLES:
    what you want to do when reinstalling a self tapping screw on any substrate is to put the screw on the hole and rotating as if you were unscrewing it while pushing slightly down on the screwdriver , when you have reached the already cut thread you will feel the screw drop down slightly and sometimes it even makes a tapping noise. At this point you can screw it back in and it will follow the previous thread.
    if it feels a bit hard to screw you have messed up since you're cutting another thread.

  • @razorboy68
    @razorboy68 2 роки тому +684

    To minimize stripping out the holes when replacing self-tapping screws, drop the screw in the hole and turn it BACKWARDS with very slight downward pressure until the screw suddenly falls into the hole a bit. That happens when the threads of the screw fall back into the threads in the hole that they had previously cut. A good secondary test that it truly did fall back in (nearly) perfectly is to start screwing it in with as close to zero torque (twisting force) as possible. If it goes in 2-3 full turns with this nearly no torque method, you hit the old threads. Do this and you'll likely be able to remove & replace self-tapping screws many times without stripping the hole to the point where the screws stop holding.

    • @RomstarOrion
      @RomstarOrion 2 роки тому +31

      Came here to say this, and no worries. Someone else already took care of it. Honestly this should almost be at the top of the comments. I've seen so many people strip plastic threads and once you know how to avoid it, it just seems so pointless and ham fisted when it happens.

    • @JETWTF
      @JETWTF 2 роки тому +35

      It's good practice to do that regardless if they are screws, nuts, or bolts. Prevents cross threading and just makes it easier to start threading them.

    • @inno6788
      @inno6788 2 роки тому +1

      eli5 pls

    • @SuperSohaizai
      @SuperSohaizai 2 роки тому +4

      Agree. Totally didn't think to share this until I see this comment. It is just a good practice overall to ensure screw is going in straight instead of sideways, which might even makes it unable to unscrewed. Cheers!

    • @irvalfirestar6265
      @irvalfirestar6265 2 роки тому +1

      thanks for the tip, would be useful for replacing my case fans later in life

  • @Oliur
    @Oliur 2 роки тому +2928

    Who knew watching two people reacting to a teardown video would be so interesting.

    • @Liqtor
      @Liqtor 2 роки тому +54

      Anthony is there. It's almost mandatory at this point.

    • @abhi483
      @abhi483 2 роки тому +2

      @@Liqtor agree

    • @Rift2123
      @Rift2123 2 роки тому +2

      True I couldn't imagine watching anyone else watch a teardown

    • @Ferrari255GTO
      @Ferrari255GTO 2 роки тому +6

      I mean, if it's theese two i would have no doubt about it.

    • @yup988
      @yup988 2 роки тому +1

      My wallpaper on my Mac is literally from your website. lol Wild.

  • @torxio2650
    @torxio2650 2 роки тому +6

    I really enjoy how you encorporate other LTT staff, it creates a new focus point and is great for viewer retention

    • @hawapowax
      @hawapowax 2 роки тому

      Shows that Linus appreciates his squad and I love that

  • @markjones2349
    @markjones2349 2 роки тому +3

    I love seeing you fellas work together. You make a good team.

  • @pcguidelk
    @pcguidelk 2 роки тому +1488

    I think it was the editor who shuffled the order of things.

    • @Validole
      @Validole 2 роки тому +191

      No, they probably just jumped to the future by a couple minutes.

    • @goose7378
      @goose7378 2 роки тому +40

      They traveled to the future and back in the portal under Gaben's desk.

    • @Qwarzz
      @Qwarzz 2 роки тому +40

      Definitely after they realized that stuff like battery should be unplugged before disassembling the device. I've done this myself as well when making instructions to the customer, just not worth the trouble to start over when you forget something.

    • @hughflapjacks
      @hughflapjacks 2 роки тому +5

      probably but it is a bit frustrating, it did not have to jump back and forth so much between steps. It is not that hard to edit something with basic sequence.

    • @oreos3174
      @oreos3174 2 роки тому +1

      @@Qwarzz oh, that actually makes sense

  • @MrX-un8cz
    @MrX-un8cz 2 роки тому +96

    Valve: you had every right to open it up and do what you want
    Apple and Samsung: *HISSING*

    • @theunknown7683
      @theunknown7683 2 роки тому +6

      Valve: yeah you can fix it yourself
      Apple and Samsung: *starts getting hives and having seizure while foaming at the mouth*

  • @kaitbelll
    @kaitbelll 2 роки тому +9

    can we talk about anthony's spot on Gaben impression? i howled laughing at that

  • @benlex5672
    @benlex5672 9 місяців тому +2

    One year in and I must say Valve choosing iFixIt as their official repair retailer is just brilliant.

  • @SlayCC
    @SlayCC 2 роки тому +2467

    15:31 That Gaben Impression was spot on hahaha

    • @nightf4ll462
      @nightf4ll462 2 роки тому +38

      Do you regret investing all the time into pg3d.

    • @MunyuShizumi
      @MunyuShizumi 2 роки тому +77

      "Hopefully it will have been worth the wait."

    • @sylveon.
      @sylveon. 2 роки тому +28

      * look at Anthony's username in LTT forum *

    • @adamblomberg
      @adamblomberg 2 роки тому +27

      @@MunyuShizumi weight*

    • @nicholasvinen
      @nicholasvinen 2 роки тому +3

      That was my favourite part of the video.

  • @Deveyus
    @Deveyus 2 роки тому +562

    I love that Anthony went from "Kinda around" to hosting lots of stuff, and co-hosting stuff with Linus. It's so good.

    • @DarkPhychic
      @DarkPhychic 2 роки тому +9

      One day anthony will have his own youtube channel and surpass linus...

    • @ShapezPuller64
      @ShapezPuller64 2 роки тому +21

      'Advanced Anthony Technology Pointers'

    • @Kuidee
      @Kuidee 2 роки тому +5

      I actually like Anthonys videos More than linuses

    • @t.c.b4722
      @t.c.b4722 2 роки тому +3

      Anthony is a force to be reckoned with.

    • @thisissooolegit
      @thisissooolegit 2 роки тому +8

      Yea but he needs to loose a lot of weight cause that guy is NOT healthy

  • @randomdude12370
    @randomdude12370 2 роки тому +5

    Not only do I want one because it's cool, but simply for this consumer strategy. The fact that they are officially providing sources to purchase replacement parts, is simply amazing. Love the pro Consumer choice.

  • @TehShadowDeath
    @TehShadowDeath 2 роки тому +15

    The fact that they had the left joystick out for that small clip tells me that they did a more in-depth tear down but decided to cut it off after the SSD part.

  • @pastedtomato
    @pastedtomato 2 роки тому +284

    To be fair to Valve, the "warnings" are most likely there to avoid any potential lawsuit.

    • @FeelingShred
      @FeelingShred 2 роки тому +2

      Finally someone that gets it

  • @aathilaliyar2724
    @aathilaliyar2724 2 роки тому +321

    Valve: "When you buy it, it belongs to you. You have every right to open it up."
    Bitten fruit: "We don't do that here."

    • @nashjr3798
      @nashjr3798 2 роки тому +37

      Bitten fruit is such a intelligent comment, cheers

    • @davidsmith7208
      @davidsmith7208 2 роки тому +10

      99% of the consumer electronics industry just did a simultaneous spit take.

    • @turbo11
      @turbo11 2 роки тому +6

      Bitten fruit, genius

    • @ravenof1985
      @ravenof1985 2 роки тому +2

      @@davidsmith7208 once R2R takes a hold in the enthusiast market, and becomes "cool" all of them will be clamoring over each other to "support" it, except apple probably.

    • @nilanshur
      @nilanshur 2 роки тому +10

      Wait until bitten fruit fanboys come and harass you for being poor

  • @phukofftopus9195
    @phukofftopus9195 2 роки тому +5

    These are the cells we use in rock crawlers. Often times in soft pack form. Right next to exposed gears and spinning drive shafts. Not to mention rocks and other sharp debris we are driving over under and through. Lithium polymer batteries are no more dangerous than lead acid or NiMh batteries. In fact catastrophic NiMh battery failures are more dangerous in my opinion. They can often explode sending the steel casings around each cell outward in pieces as shrapnel. The smallest bit of moisture can start the rusting process on the steel casings and the tiniest breech in the casing can result in an explosion.

  • @George-qm6wi
    @George-qm6wi 2 роки тому +2

    5:40 - Yeah, every time I open a PSU to clean it at least a little bit, I literally tend to stay as far as I can while blowing air on it cuz I think that this is the only thing that makes me sweat due to anxiety.

  • @Zed_Oud
    @Zed_Oud 2 роки тому +262

    21:27 “Remember, if you have followed these directions correctly, you’ve done absolutely *none* of the proceeding steps.”
    Missed the best part lol

  • @blahorgaslisk7763
    @blahorgaslisk7763 2 роки тому +432

    Love how they missed the closing statement that went something like this: "And now, if you have followed these instructions perfectly you haven't opened your Steam Deck"
    I was just waiting for their reaction and then Linus paused just after the "these instructions" part and they never heard it... I feel cheated!

    • @TheMinigato
      @TheMinigato 2 роки тому +33

      It was so hard to watch. They did that all the time during the whole video with the warnings.

    • @AdamS-nd5hi
      @AdamS-nd5hi 2 роки тому +26

      @@TheMinigato and shitting on how they filmed it when they kept pausing and losing track of what was going on in the video. actually extremely frustrating to watch having already watched the valve vid

  • @purplebatdragon
    @purplebatdragon 2 роки тому +1

    In regards to fixing it yourself: tightly packed devices are INCREDIBLY hard for the inexperienced to take apart and not break.
    I used to have an MSI "Thin" laptop that I got specifically because it was thin. Turns out, the workarounds they had to do to get it so thin make repairing it a nightmare. Every component was squeezed against the chassis, so just taking off the plastic covering was painful to listen to. Then you're greeted with the fact that the ENTIRE MOTHERBOARD is upside down, so you have to literally disassemble the whole device to get at the storage or CPU, which I wasn't comfortable doing after pulling out the 10th or so thermal pad delicately wedged between components.
    So yeah, you can do whatever you want with your device, but some people aren't smart enough or comfortable with small electronics.

  • @zeccy337
    @zeccy337 2 роки тому +26

    They want to give us the option to do so, while covering their asses. Good for them! If they didn't pad the video with messages telling us to be careful and to not do so unless we're confident, we're gonna have idiots shoving a knife inside, damaging the battery and then trying to sue valve. Seriously, good for valve. 100% back them up on thid

  • @bradleymorgan8223
    @bradleymorgan8223 2 роки тому +166

    Valve is bringing an unorthodox device to the masses, many if not most of whom will have little to no electronics repair experience. I believe the teardown video is very well done considering the audience.

    • @UNSCPILOT
      @UNSCPILOT 2 роки тому +9

      Even if better teardown and repair videos get made in the future, this is still a great mission statement about how open they want to be with the Steamdeck

    • @bradleymorgan8223
      @bradleymorgan8223 2 роки тому

      @Samurai Shampoo not unorthodox in terms of form factor, but in terms of integration.

  • @Mormodes
    @Mormodes 2 роки тому +320

    "You go until two fingers can't go in anymore, and that's it." "Maybe three fingers" - Linus

    • @thenonadventure
      @thenonadventure 2 роки тому +3

      Vincent Teoh from HDTVTest would be so proud.

    • @simpson6700
      @simpson6700 2 роки тому +52

      LinusSexTips

    • @TailsGuy72
      @TailsGuy72 2 роки тому +2

      After that just keep going and then you'll fit something big.

  • @gitchygitchy123
    @gitchygitchy123 2 роки тому +15

    I've been holding out on the switch for awhile but since valve is offering replacement parts for already owned devices... I'm buying a Steam Deck.

  • @LionvandenBrand
    @LionvandenBrand 2 роки тому

    I love seeing you two geek out over this thing. Great vid!

  • @gaminginasmr
    @gaminginasmr 2 роки тому +339

    Amateur=love, for the love of. Anthony must have taken his Latin class seriously. Mad respect

    • @thoticcusprime9309
      @thoticcusprime9309 2 роки тому +1

      @kerosin fuchs No thanks

    • @mad3237
      @mad3237 2 роки тому

      Kepala butuh tokwan hampa

    • @prakharmishra3000
      @prakharmishra3000 2 роки тому +1

      @@thuanlai5537 phishing link beware

    • @user-lc9wc9ho9c
      @user-lc9wc9ho9c 2 роки тому +2

      Maybe I should change my catch phrase 'fking amateur!', because I won't mean love.

  • @QuiqueZapata
    @QuiqueZapata 2 роки тому +269

    "You go until 2 fingers can't get it in anymore" -Linus Gold

  • @DanWhiteT
    @DanWhiteT 2 роки тому +15

    Damn, you guys were needlessly hard on this video. Also, my personal guess is that when Valve says "we are identifying vendors for replacement " what they mean is "we are attempting to convince a vendor to offer this as a retail replacement spare part because we do not want to operate the supply chain / repair process". You basically hit this but that's the main thing.

  • @itskylelucas
    @itskylelucas 2 роки тому +3

    I’ve been really loving seeing more and more of Anthony!

  • @Epicesify
    @Epicesify 2 роки тому +349

    The safety stuff at the beginning seemed like a message to all the "smart" people that don't realize what they're doing could permanently damage their electronics and cause fires. (Like me, who ruined a PS2 and old laptop because I didn't know how to reconstruct anything)

    • @Darkbuilderx
      @Darkbuilderx 2 роки тому +69

      Definitely also sounded like the legal team had a few requirements if an official teardown video was getting made.

    • @MarcLucksch
      @MarcLucksch 2 роки тому +10

      Ruining things is how you learn though

    • @Xitoshi
      @Xitoshi 2 роки тому +3

      I indeed learned some things, and I now respect more the process of disassembly and assembly.

    • @OneMomentPls
      @OneMomentPls 2 роки тому +12

      @@Darkbuilderx i think so too, they definitely want to avoid any legal charges if someone decides to sue them because somehow, that dude manage to set the console on fire or something with "i followed their guide" as an excuse.

    • @GavinMorris1
      @GavinMorris1 2 роки тому

      @@MarcLucksch Exactly - this is where competent IT people come from.

  • @kdawg3484
    @kdawg3484 2 роки тому +217

    The fact that they are saying "leave it to professionals" could likely mean that they're planning on making replacement parts beyond the thumbsticks available to professional repair shops they trust to account for more complex issues. They never said "better to let _us_ deal with it." That's still vastly closer to where you want to be than Apple et al.

    • @MiGujack3
      @MiGujack3 2 роки тому +1

      no chance in hell

    • @Peewma
      @Peewma 2 роки тому +1

      Valve is not the type of company to ever have a genius bar-esque technicians on their payroll.

    • @mduckernz
      @mduckernz 2 роки тому +5

      @@Peewma No - but they could easily make available circuit diagrams and the like for 3rd party repair shops

    • @masaufuku1735
      @masaufuku1735 2 роки тому +7

      I interpreted "leave it to the professionals" to mean "leave it to people who know what they're doing", not "leave it to third party repair shops we partner with".

    • @Peewma
      @Peewma 2 роки тому

      @@mduckernz That's my point. They don't want to employ those types of people ever. Too much hassle for little reward. They would ideally want other groups to make hardware, support, and install SteamOS on it too. They tried this idea somewhat with Steam machines and mostly failed.

  • @joedotphp
    @joedotphp 2 роки тому +19

    Valve is one of the last "good guys" in the gaming and computer industry. Great video they made.

  • @nottrevorallen
    @nottrevorallen 2 роки тому +4

    this is crazy for a handheld, especially considering there are pc integrators using off the shelf user serviceable parts for standard atx desktops that still really really dont want you opening them up

  • @Jopeymessmusic
    @Jopeymessmusic 2 роки тому +337

    I feel like there's an undercurrent of Valve having read the room a little. They're on the pulse knowing how contentious the right to repair issue is with modern hardware. Sure, they're not going to announce that you can and should but if you're experienced enough, you'll be fine.

    • @apoclypse
      @apoclypse 2 роки тому +51

      Well Valve has been stressing that this device is a PC and one thing that PC gamers expect is to be able to open and tinker with their device. They really want to drive the point home that they see this device as a PC not an appliance or console.

    • @runed0s86
      @runed0s86 2 роки тому +2

      Their opening minute of video was made to scare consumers.

    • @cgi2002
      @cgi2002 2 роки тому +12

      @@runed0s86 A little bit a fear yes, but mostly just them going "it's on you if you break it, don't yell at us, but we will sell you spare parts".

    • @talldrinkofmarmalade7281
      @talldrinkofmarmalade7281 2 роки тому +20

      Their opening minute was made to cover their asses from a legal standpoint, so people don’t go crying about messing up their SteamDecks cause they’re stupid

    • @zer0legend109
      @zer0legend109 2 роки тому +8

      @@runed0s86 it's for the best, casual consumers will get scared enough to not do anything while experts will be confident doing things on such open system, both situations are good for the end user

  • @TheSavageProdigy
    @TheSavageProdigy 2 роки тому +444

    I have no idea why, but when a company like valve does this kind of stuff, it REALLY makes me appreciate their choices to do this kind of stuff, even when they don't even have too. Very heartwarming.

    • @stevelaw2000
      @stevelaw2000 2 роки тому

      Ah!?! They just wanted in the hardware game. Good luck Valve. Xbox, PS5 and Nintendo's will be tough competition. But I believe in you. Who is your OEM partner?

    • @GamerRukario
      @GamerRukario 2 роки тому +17

      @@stevelaw2000 its a portable pc. It doesnt have to compete with the consoles.

    • @stevelaw2000
      @stevelaw2000 2 роки тому

      @@GamerRukario I understand that it is a pc, but I think it is still competition for them.

    • @GamerRukario
      @GamerRukario 2 роки тому +8

      @@stevelaw2000 It will probably compete with the Switch but I don't think for the PS5/Xbox Series.

    • @harperc5308
      @harperc5308 2 роки тому

      The focus on e-waste is only growing.
      Increasing access to parts and information will ultimately reduce electronic waste. This choice has been made to assert green credentials before competitors follow suit.

  • @TomsLife9
    @TomsLife9 10 місяців тому +1

    9:18 - a note on ESD, while a failure due to static discharge might not be immediate, it can sew the seeds of a "latent failure," as its called, down the road. still worth considering when handling electronics.

  • @TheErusPrime
    @TheErusPrime 2 роки тому +1

    As someone who does a lot of traveling having the ability to build a steam deck would be amazing. Especially if I can remove features I don't want such as a screen thumbsticks the speaker etc and use it as a sort of fire stick for gaming. I am a truck driver and it would be nice to have a PC that is more shock tolerant than what I can build with regular consumer parts.
    I fully support all parts being available

  • @deadwinglullaby
    @deadwinglullaby 2 роки тому +805

    This feels like one big statement for right to repair. Good job Valve, this pretty much secures my steam deck purchase

    • @jacquestcomc
      @jacquestcomc 2 роки тому +46

      The fact that this is an argument in my lifetime is unreal to me. Lol. Good on Valve and have fun with your purchase!

    • @aleks138
      @aleks138 2 роки тому +45

      looks like the engineers are in charge. even the teardown video screams made by engineers but the lawyers made us say all these disclaimers

    • @at_oussama
      @at_oussama 2 роки тому +11

      Valve prove again that they can break into a market, and they just did.

    • @youravghuman5231
      @youravghuman5231 2 роки тому +14

      Valve didnt care syit about hardware marketing. Their true source of income came from steam store. Steam deck is just promotion to steam store so that epic will go die with it free games

    • @cookiesupervisor2211
      @cookiesupervisor2211 2 роки тому +1

      Agree , but there is also other use , I can see some companies producing kits to convert steam deck from mobile console to stationary PC , cause face it 2023 , or worst 2025 prices of PC components will be back to pre covid prices , and there are some people who see steam deck as cheapest gaming PC you can get at the market at now , and imagine now how quick can it get with better cooling and potential OC ...

  • @desertsandfly2277
    @desertsandfly2277 2 роки тому +378

    Linus: "And the thing is that nobody is going to open it for fun."
    Me, who likes to open electronics for fun: *Sweating profusely*

    • @marksemple297
      @marksemple297 2 роки тому +2

      heh. me too when i was a lad, spent decades since working with electronics either in repair or manufacturing.

    • @joepower777
      @joepower777 2 роки тому +8

      Nah. He's just slyly calling you a nobody. LOL

    • @ZeroShrimpy
      @ZeroShrimpy 2 роки тому +1

      Anyway so i stared opening it.

    • @LRM12o8
      @LRM12o8 2 роки тому

      Thanks internet, I know I'm insane because I open most of my electronic devices for fun, but at least now I know I'm not the only one!

    • @_Ai_Angel
      @_Ai_Angel 2 роки тому

      Am I the only one who's getting the impression that they are like covering valves ass

  • @backseatdriver9576
    @backseatdriver9576 2 роки тому

    I enjoyed seeing this video for the first time with you both commenting on it from a professional perspective. Thank you.

  • @MrMES1971
    @MrMES1971 2 роки тому +9

    Two takeaways: there should be an unwritten rule that you can only pause a video a few times to make a point and not 87 times: also, Linus is a two finger kinda guy!

  • @AluminumHaste
    @AluminumHaste 2 роки тому +325

    I'm actually glad to see the separate daughter boards. Having everything on one big integrated PCB means if just one thing breaks, you can't just swap the broken part.

    • @joerivanlier1180
      @joerivanlier1180 2 роки тому +13

      It might also help costuming, if they get popular enough, someone will reverse engineer it and do cool stuff not possible with a single board solution.
      Thing is to do it better then valve makes is not cheap to design and test, so the numbers must be right. So it's not a big possibility but it's there.

    • @anomicxtreme
      @anomicxtreme 2 роки тому +13

      Totally agree, as a repair shop owner/worker I damn near dance every time I see a simple separate dc or usb jack on it's own. I mean it's done purposefully imo because the companies design team are fully aware how much stress is put on a pcb and "oh let's add to it with this huge hulking 3 inch long male plug just to make sure the jack breaks off the pcb. OOOHHH hey wait! I bet we can add a multicolor LED as well!!"

    • @JamesGomesLima
      @JamesGomesLima 2 роки тому +1

      ** you need swaps ALL

    • @jamescameron9522
      @jamescameron9522 2 роки тому +2

      @Samurai Shampoo a man can dream tho, A man can dream....ohh yes that would be heaven

  • @Mason-gz3tl
    @Mason-gz3tl 2 роки тому +334

    Anthony: "Amateur means for the love of"
    We amateur you Anthony

    • @dodecahedron1
      @dodecahedron1 2 роки тому +6

      amateur actually means lover of (thing)

    • @ldz7777
      @ldz7777 2 роки тому

      @@dodecahedron1 Enthusiast

    • @1IGG
      @1IGG 2 роки тому +7

      Amare, where amor comes from, means to love.

    • @test_account939
      @test_account939 2 роки тому +1

      amateur babes

  • @indaspenceable3099
    @indaspenceable3099 2 роки тому

    So I think this was an awesome insight on the direction they want to take their products. I definitely will be getting one

  • @RayThomasFilms
    @RayThomasFilms 2 роки тому +2

    This script sounds like they know people want to see inside, but the lawyers stepped in and said "here's what you need to say to make it safe"
    Also, working in manufacturing, this is like them showing us their build instructions they give to people like me to put together or take apart radios.
    If the manufacturing company is still making them, they have the parts to sell for everything, why not?
    All they'd have to do is publish the entire materials list, down to the screws (they're all tracked) and then cost of each.

  • @RazekiYT
    @RazekiYT 2 роки тому +382

    I was on the fence about buying a deck until I heard them say that everything is replaceable and that the buyer owns the device; I instantly went and preordered a deck after that. Good on Valve, and I hope more companies decide to follow suit!

    • @johanntheidiot8775
      @johanntheidiot8775 2 роки тому +11

      for me I was on the fence on weather or not to give up my reservation, I have the 650 one and I was like do I really want this? then i saw the tear down and was like yeah I want this.

    • @Demonologist013
      @Demonologist013 2 роки тому +19

      @@jannie6605 how the fuck does this link get okayed but a twitter link gets deleted?

    • @sirarnoldgrylls6553
      @sirarnoldgrylls6553 2 роки тому +1

      @@Demonologist013 true

    • @--_DJ_--
      @--_DJ_-- 2 роки тому +1

      @@Demonologist013 It doesn't follow they typical layout for a link, so it doesn't get picked up. You can probably post a twitter link, I post all kinds of links here(not twitter though), just break it up a bit.

    • @That0neDud
      @That0neDud 2 роки тому +1

      I got a huge grin on my face every time they said anything pro repair

  • @JXSnWp
    @JXSnWp 2 роки тому +360

    I personally won't be getting a Steam deck, as it doesn't suit my needs. But I very much want it to succeed as Steam is on track to setting an important precedent in the Right to Repair movement.

    • @JohnSmith-ft4gc
      @JohnSmith-ft4gc 2 роки тому +8

      They are neither a court, nor bringing a case to court here: NOTHING to do with precedent.
      They are however competing with other platforms & challenging anti-customer practices of other companies by demonstrating a contrasting and opposed behavior. This contrast can serve to adjust customer's perspectives on what is acceptable conduct for a company.
      It's also compatible with DIY Computer builders expectation & subculture which is a significant subset of Steam customers. This subculture is highly wary of practices of the Console Industry & Steam is working to avoid getting off on the wrong foot with them.

    • @krank23
      @krank23 2 роки тому +43

      @@JohnSmith-ft4gc The word "precedent" is not exclusive to the legal system. It's a pretty common word, that just basically means "an earlier occurrence of something similar" or " a person or thing that serves as a model". The legal definition follows from that.

    • @JXSnWp
      @JXSnWp 2 роки тому +19

      @@JohnSmith-ft4gc the definition says - an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.
      Obviously, this isn't a court but it does set precedent. One of the main arguments that companies like Apple and anti repair lobbyists claim is users can hurt themselves or the electronics they are trying to repair. If it does well, the precedent being set that can be used in court for others is that a product can be profitable, safe for users to tinker with while supporting right to repair.

    • @someonerandom704
      @someonerandom704 2 роки тому +9

      I want it to succeed so Proton phases out any possible reason I'll ever need Windows in the future.

    • @BattleSpew
      @BattleSpew 2 роки тому +6

      @@JohnSmith-ft4gc Precedent in the OP is a cultural precedent, not a legal one.

  • @Blackreaper777
    @Blackreaper777 2 роки тому +4

    I'm glad Valve is doing this and that there is an option to open your device and fix it or replace SSD or whatever, but there is no way I'm opening mine.

  • @egx2236
    @egx2236 2 роки тому +2

    Linus (2:42) : people are not gonna open it for fun ...
    SpawnWave : so we are gonna unscrew this back plate and check out the board and it's components ..!! I have also ordered a second one just in case I mess up with that one.

  • @alexioskouvakas1953
    @alexioskouvakas1953 2 роки тому +473

    Anthony: "Amateur means for the love of"
    Everyone: aaaaaaawwww

  • @YellowTailHorse
    @YellowTailHorse 2 роки тому +466

    I think going the route of inducing fear to people less acquainted with technology is a good route, if someone is fearful and they continue to do research they'll learn why they should be afraid. On the other hand if someone is to afraid to open it up after someone telling them the battery can explode if mishandled then they probably shouldn't be the type opening it up.

    • @goose5654
      @goose5654 2 роки тому +10

      True, I have seen countless consoles and phones that were tried to be fixed themselves that are sometimes completely destroyed in the process

    • @svenkarlsen2702
      @svenkarlsen2702 2 роки тому +14

      Fear of the unknown is never good! Most people start learning by doing and failing, and I won't rob my kids of that experience...
      Some previous experience from tinkering with cheaper devices is definitely a good idea!
      But on the other hand, you DO learn A LOT from your mistakes if you permanently damage a relatively expensive device like this one.

    • @cfighter95
      @cfighter95 2 роки тому +8

      I don't think "fear" is necessarily right, but proper warnings would be helpful. I'm not usually one to take apart my devices, but a year or two ago I did have to take apart my projector due to an issue with the sensor. I couldn't return it to the store because they only allowed returns if I still had the original box and the manufacturer was of no help either. So I was either stuck with a 1200 dead box or I could take it apart myself and try to fix it.
      After several hours of careful surgery, I had managed to fix the issue, put it all back together, and now I have a better understanding of how things work inside my projector. Very fun (if not stressful) experiment that taught me a lot.

    • @magnopere
      @magnopere 2 роки тому +2

      “Respect” might be a better term than “fear” in this case

    • @goose5654
      @goose5654 2 роки тому +1

      My thought was, if they are able to look at that and be like uh, clearly it’s not that dangerous and know what they’re talking about, it doesn’t apply to them

  • @Squinoogle
    @Squinoogle 2 роки тому +12

    If they made every single part available as a spare, so that you could actually build your own just out of spare parts, I'd love to see Anthony build one - so we don't have to :-p

  • @linkfiedproductions2246
    @linkfiedproductions2246 2 роки тому +2

    Valve is so wholesome with their fans, especially when releasing a new product