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Thank you for including older cards in the charts like my GTX1070. Many reviews only show current gen cards in their charts and I have no idea how the new card relates to what I already have.
@Florian Oprescu What I get for buying a pre-build lol. Once I got back into building... my father in law asked me to build them a new PC. 2700x for $158 usd, 1650s... Overall including a monitor (switching from mac)the price was 1/3rd less than mine and it kicks my performance by 30% in 9/10 titles.
The price cut in MSRP reflect on all countries, even third ones, the real problem in third world countries is the excessive tax the retailers and final consumers pay to pick these hardwares But your point in part is very fair, boost in perfomance is a good thing too
@@gontary101 I watched Jayz first, it was the shortest lol. Yet, I watched theirs next, now here, and will watch Hardware Canucks later. Of curse all are the same roughly, though interesting how Jayz2Cents stated that the fan of his card wasn't working with the new bio and the AMD software, but had to use MSI Afterburner to get the fans to work properly....I still just trust NVIDIA and EVGA more currently when it comes to drivers and stuff.
@@dorientjewoller113 i dont have any problems with my sapphire rx 580 8gb pulse besides drivers issues after new 2020 drivers update it fix all the issues in my card
they tested 2 bios for the alleged other bios's they used the silent profile setting on each bios which slows the fans (to make it more silent) and decreases clock speeds to stop the card from thermal throttling
The ASRock 5700 is 20€ CHEAPER than the 5600 XT Pulse, here in Sweden. I believe local vendors haven't followed AMD's lowering of MSRPs since the mid-July 5700 launch...
BTW OC the 5700 has been a very frustrating task, is very hard to know if I'm getting better performance with higher clocks. Time spy scores is all over the place for me 😔
GN - please do a technical breakdown of all settings in Nvidia control panel and how they affect game graphics/performance compared to using defaults and only changing in-game settings.
Say it how it is Steve! Awesome review! That freesync stutter drove me nuts, finally got it fixed i think. Didn't really have the driver issues that some were having with my 5700XT, I do feel bad for those who did though.
it makes me very sad that amd has nice hardware but instead they waste the programmers efforts into completely redesigning the wattman interface instead of fixing bugs... not to mention that they completely redesigned amd wattman but theres still no simple way to set your fan speed to a fixed speed, like in afterburner.
@@1idd0kun either way,someone in QC is either sleeping or told to ignore these issues time after time. I own both AMD and Nvidia cards,so I have no bias either.
@@DefWun I think it's just the fact that Navi is a new architecture. When Zen 2 came out, the bios was a shit show too, and it only started getting decent recently.
@@1idd0kun AMD has had problems with their GPU software for years. It's well documented and is still happening time after time with new cards being launched. How long would they like their consumers to wait?
Yep. In that video Steve did about the AMD drivers at CES, he mentioned that AMD likes to say that Nvidia's Control Panel looks like it's from the 90s. I say, who cares? Nvidia's Control Center works. I'd rather have a working center that looks dated than a fancy looking center that doesn't work. Get your shit together, AMD! Function before form!
"when he changed the windows volume and the volume notification popped up the fps dropped to 30 and went back up when the notification was gone" 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ How the heck amd still has all these driver issues with multimonitor setups etc.
I run a 590 and I have major problems booting with two screens turned on. When the screens are off, no problem with booting to Windows. So.......I'll have myself a next gen nVidia GPU when it launches. (I'm able to allocate a bigger budget for that purchase)
I have this problem with every single windows overlay on my v56. Varies from application to application. Some games its not much of an effect, some games its massive. Not great when I don't have activated windows though, end up having to restart my pc every 4 hours or so to get rid of the watermark.
My Vega64 doesn't play nice unless I plug 1 monitor into HDMI and the other display port. Happened after an update. I get intermittent black screens otherwise. Going back to NVidia next card.
This is inconsistent, which is the worst, on 470 I'm great with multimonior, however, for a month or two I had weird issue, every time there was gpu driver update my screens went black and I had to reboot, then install those drivers and then everything was fine. Yeah, rx470, I'm waiting for next gen gpu's to see if RT/RTX becomes relevant or not.
@Alistair Poor value? You're clueless. The 2070 Super offers better drivers, more performance, Raytracing, DLSS, Ansel, CUDA, CUDNN, NVENC, better OpenGL and VR performance, and tons of Nvidia only features. What does the 5700XT offer? A bit lower price.
Depends, really. I don't mind a bit of troubleshooting if it means a more reliable card. Or, not supporting toxic business practices. I haven't had any noteworthy driver problems since like 2013 with my 7970, but when I was upgrading, I wasn't exactly all that interested in buying NVidia right when they were pushing GPP.
love how GN has gone out of their way to provide us with benchmarks for every possible bios possibility. would have been very easy to just say "update your vbios before comparing results to this video" but this is not the GN way. You guys the real MVPs.
I have the XFX 5600 XT, post bios, 14gbps pro series card. It's the best card I've ever had. There's not much overclocking you can do with it, but you can max it out and it runs 3DMark just fine.
FPS drop / stuttering when adjusting volume in win 10 is also happening to me in CS:GO. Microsoft just ignores my full-screen and its trying to force volume bar to show through game. Just want to point out that its happening even with my GTX 1080.
Yep. Disabling fullscreen optimizations on the executable used to work but not anymore. In some games, the volume bar doesn't appear but in other it appears.
I got a red devil Vega 56 for 225$. As far as I can tell,it is best AMD GPU for the 200 ish price right now. Obviously you might have to go used, but still VERY worth it vs 590 or (NEW) 5500XT (8GB)
I've been doing some benching recently, just added a 1080 Ti config for an upper reference - so nice to see such smooth fps even at 1440p. Infact it was so damn fast it kept hitting the game engine's internal frame rate cap (approx. 188fps); when that happens the game stutters badly. Solution was to set a frame rate limit using Riva Tuner (very easy), so I chose 175, smooooth awesomeness. See: www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/gtav.txt The fps cap is why 1080p/Low is actually slightly slower than 1440p/Low for the 1080 Ti config. More results with weird XEONs and other stuff here: www.sgidepot.co.uk/sgi.html#PC
I guess it freaked them out as much as my gf's work colleague was when she was told it was perfectly possible to melt cheese into baked beans (with a dash of black pepper), she actually said, "You can do that??".
I've been trying to replace my RX 590 and I was considering getting the 5600 XT. Seeing as the Bios update helps it tremendously and you can even push out more performance using MPT without destroying the card or putting it on water I think I've found it'd be a good option since I want to stay under 300 dollars.
I just got my PowerColor RedDragon 5600XT and discovered that the BIOS was already up-to-date. I bought it off Amazon. I've got my Ryzen 2600 running at 3.85 GHz all core and actually just edged out an 3600 at stock timings on the firestrike 3dMark.
So the takeaway is AMD Video Cards are no good since the drivers are sht? Why not just pick one of the Invidia Super cards instead for peace of mind? =D
Honestly, I would wait until AMD fix NAVI's driver before using RX5600XT on my clients computer, price performance is about the same with RTX 2060, yet driver performance aren't. Well, finewine will probably strike again, but not until I am forced to spend time fixing driver issue one by one. Probably best option is to wait a while.
He literally explains what's wrong with them in every review of a new AMD card, but sure. Ignore that and ask what's wrong with them, fanboy. That'll make the problems go away. 🙄
The buggy throttling/stuttering under lower loads has been a problem for months on Navi and AMD can't get a handle on it. I can only agree with James, avoid if you just want to play hassle free.
I guess an artificially restricted card that they can unlock a bit more is still a better option than a card be DOA cos it's at the end of its wick by design.
@@faultyservice ok, but following that kind of logic, everyone should stop doing everything, because someone else does a better job that's just around the corner. If for nothing else AMD forced Nvidia's hand, maybe not buy much, but still. On the lower end of the spectrum, Nvidia has too many cards almost $50 apart. If AMD wedges something in there, adjusting prices would need to cascade down, otherwise cards would step on eachother. That is at least good for the consumer.
Yeah, basic stuff here. Should also run it in safe mode and also clean install the GPU via drivers as an extra layer. Sometimes running DDU a few times helps, can check registry.
the thing i hate about using DDU is remembering how to get win10 into safemode again.. settings>update and security>recovery>advanced startup>restart now etc etc... it should not be that complicated... my pet peeve... lol
Uriah Siner yeap same, I bought a 5700 xt early December and experienced more crashes in 2 weeks than I had with my 970 in 4 years. Thank god for Amazon and their return policy. Happy with my 2070 Super now.
Thank you Steve for investigating the radeon drivers. There's more problems then those you list and I would love to see a video that really details this and forces AMD's hand a bit. Did you know that the vega cards cant play HDR netflix? I wanted to use my radeon vii to double as an htpc but cant send a 4k hdr blueray to a television. Playready 3.0 was talked about in 2018 for the vega cards. Blackscreens caused from desktop programs that use gpu acceleration (I refuse to believe a fix for that is to disable the feature you buy a gpu for) Run a 20 minute benchmark no problem, quit that and open firefox and blackscreen, reboot, reset wattman settings. Inconsistant random screen flickers while on a static webpage or the desktop, sometimes twice a day, sometimes every 20 seconds. I'd be perfectly happy with my card if it could just be stable.
AMD's graphics division really needs to pull it's head out of its butt. What a farce lol. How do they not know Nvidia is going to lower it's prices? Please will someone save us from these graphics card companies?
Remember the 2060 is ~equivalent to the 1070, without RT considered . A super salty NVDA fan like myself (:P), might be compelled to say, "OK, AMD, we get it: you can build a 1070 / 1080 in 2020". (Ala the same ragging nvda gets for 1080TI) I'm just pulling your chain though, as usual great review. Not alot of fluff, straight to point.
Glad I'm not the only one with stutter/black screen, especially for StarWarsBattlefront2 (thought it was a Dice problem). Running 144hz monitor w/ 5700 XT. Notice problems only come up with FreeSync as well. Amd's latest drivers seemed to stop the crashes and PC restarts. Still occasional black screen unless I turn FreeSync OFF then ON for monitor thru OSD.
@@TheGuruStud He hasn't specified what the issues were but he wouldn't be the only person to have had trouble with AMD drivers. I am saying no matter what AMD GPU he has it won't fix drivers that are causing him issues he doesn't like. Not all software will behave the same on all working hardware configurations.
Uh, Steve, did you hear from Hardware Unboxed how to fix the messy drivers? Since you have a test bench, you have to use many different graphics cards, from Nvidia to AMD. Apparently, if you delete the previous drivers that are still on the boot drive, then it will work fine.
@@mjc0961 I know that these guys are pretty smart, but I also know that there are people who have never had problems with Radeon rx products, and they deleted the previous drivers. Though, what made you think that I was talking down to them?
I wanna see a powermod that melts the 8-pin, turn the dial to 11! I feel like this is going to cannibalize RX 5700 sales. RX 5600 XT Red Devil is priced the same as budget RX 5700s. They're all good cards, but it reeks of artificial segmentation. How far can this be overclocked before the memory bandwidth causes issues? It's out of spec, but a single 8-pin should be able to handle ~250 W as each pin is rated for 7 amps.
6 months past NVIDIAs price cut is usless, 2060 founders edition is priced up to $400 custom 2060s are ranging from 350-400+. While 5600xt pulse is chiling in the 299
Probably is maintaining compatibility for consoles, and also money which is why they can't have 2 architectures running side by side. If they had money we'd probably see a ground up architecture like Zen, but because they can't build one from scratch and have to use the current modified architecture for consoles in order to ensure backwards compatibility we have Navi doing both jobs.
@@scarletspidernz yeah. Rdna is basically an extended GCN so native GCN code can still run (even though it doesnt touch the extensions). This is pretty much in line with how Nintendo used the same hardware in the original Gameboy and in the Gameboy Color -- with just double memory banks and extended everything
Nice Reviewe Steve! Thank you! However, I noticed that some of the Data in your Benchmark Sheets is extremely outdated and yes, I know it's a massive hassle, but I would love it when you update it. One Example I can produce myself. In SOTTR in 1080p, High Settings, no AA my Radeon VII (yes it runs at 2050MHz effektive GPU-Clocks with 1265MHz on the HBM @1,16V @~280W (Standard Driver Settings) with a 9900k at 5 Ghz and DDR4-4133 CL17 but still) and the Performance is far beyond even Night and Day compared to what is shown here, it's in another world. Especially the insanely low 0.1% are a thing of the past and do not appear anymore, even on Stock-Settings. My VII scored 141 Min. FPS, 179 Average and 295 Max in the GPU Benchmark with the Settings mentioned with my System and OC-Settings. The VII is EoL, yes, but it is still going strong and in comparison to the RX5700XT has real Overclocking Potential for upto 25% Performance Gains over Stock (like in my Case), making the VII very competitive still to the RTX2080 Super and is still a great Option for AMD Fans that want to have a bit more Performance.
@@carbonsx3 That's a bit sad, cause its not only the AMD GPUs, I suspect that most of the older ones are victim to this too. I really like Steve's work but this paints an inaccurate picture. Sure, he could just throw those stats out but...I would love to see an update version. We all know how much stupid work that is and how much effort it would take for probably little benefit..but welp, It would be nice is all I am saying.
@@JoePWI Yeah it is a huge amount of work and at some point you just have to throw in the towel I some products, I guess... but it does make the comparisons difficult. I have a Vega 64 myself and I don't have any of the driver problems GN complains about either...
I've been using the 5700XT since launch and the only issue I've had that's been consistent has been the FreeSync issue, such as the disconnecting issue.. Had some strange slow down in Fallen Order but I was trying out anti-lag with that to see if it would do anything. It didn't but turning off anti-lag fixed it. Not many multi monitor issues.
Drivers are stable i have nitro 580 and red devil 5700xt and nitro 5700xt and zero issue on this cards, many people blame amd drivers not work thats not exacly the true!!
@@intech7863 They might work great for you but a lot of people are having issues. Buying from Amazon becomes almost mandatory in this case, just to be able to return it if you're unlucky.
@@zarco5855 The only people that say anything are the people that have problems, hence 'a lot' of people are having problems... @_@ I have been having zero problems with drivers or Wattman...
Same here 5700xt with zero issues... it seems that some dual monitor setup Are having problems at this moment, but I only run one monitor so I can not check that out.
i got my sapphire 5600 xt for like a month now...All i can say is that card is a little beast...and i was always an Nvidia fan boy...but since i got 5600 xt in a very sweet price and saw that my perfomance from my previous 1060 6 gb when sky high...is was sooooo worthing it ;)... Btw i didnt had any issues like dark screen or whatever :)
Had 3 generations of AMD videocards the drivers always been shit, never again. I know, I know finewine, but not waiting for 3 or more months before they get the drivers right. I do like AMD cpus, I have a Ryzen 3700x and a msi rx2080 they work good together.
thx for putting pressure on AMD...i personally have enough of their drivers. have been with AMD GPUs long enough, time for others to take the hit. and yes, i "dare" to have multiple monitors. i know, its all my fault...
Predictable business moves, but I'm glad both were made. This AMD card brings the Nvidia 2060 down in price, while AMD responded by bumping up its clock and ram speeds to help compensate. The 5600 XT may or may not cannibalize 5700 sales, but the alternative was putting out a card nobody would care about. Either way, its a pretty good example of what competition can do for the consumer. I just wish there was a legit third competitor for both the CPU and GPU markets.
"Some cards will never get updates, from what we’ve been told, as their designs too closely ride the limit of the lower power budget. " - those cards should be called 5600 non-XTs or something. AMD should not be pulling the "same exact part name with very different performance" bullshit.
Those all use the same gpu... look their power targets! The original power target for 5600xt was way below what 5700 and 5700xt use. So there was a lot of room to do it!
I agree with you 100% GN. I bought a 5700 XT because I couldn’t afford a a RTX 2070 Super without taking money away from my kid. And boy do I regret it with all the Bios issues. I honestly would rather have a RTX 2060 Super instead. It would have lower Frame rate but at least it would work every time flawlessly
You have the perfect idea for a follow up video, The Arms Race. How close can you get a 5600 XT to a 5700 non XT and then how close can you get a 5700 non XT to a 5700 XT.
Basically, get the 2060 KO (if its even in stock) if you want a card without driver issues. If you are ok with driver issues, the 5600XT might be ok, if you know how to flash a GPU BIOS. If you don't know, just buy the cheapest 5700 (XFX DD Ultra for 309.99 right now on B&H, not including MIRs)
@@PIVAZ91 I take it you've used DDU to completely remove any pervious video drivers etc? Also, I found it best to pre download the latest driver, run DDU in safe mode (or it doesn't work properly), disconnect Internet until after you've installed the new driver (or it tries to install via windows update).
I know it'd be a lot of extra work, but some VR benchmarks would be awesome to see. I suppose they'd be similar to 1440p or 4k performance it'd just be nice to see hard numbers even on a single headset.
What I'm taking away from the noise and thermal testing is that the card was overbuilt for the original spec, so it benefits from the spec bump. Cards built to a more strict price point will probably suffer more.
Agreed on AMD being jimped initialy but their decision to be very conservative in the initial specs of 5600XT, they had much to gain from a VBIOS update and the result is a huge win for them in the below $300 GPU market where nVidia doesn't have any RTX GPU since the EVGA model isn't found anywhere now for $299 (limited production SKU maybe?).
Well, here in Spain the cheapest 2060 is the Zotac's for 320 eu and if 5600 xt goes for 280 eu-290 eu then is a better deal. Also, my vega 56 was having the same black screens you said (dual monitor also) and in reddit pretty much every 5700 are having black screens for months now. I really wanna buy AMD but geez paying 300 or more for a gpu for it no be able to play games is insulting.
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It's currently at 2000 USD. This is sadly way out of my price range.
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Hey Gamers Nexus, i need to say that! Your Content is really really freaking amazing. But because of you guys, i allways want to buy more stuff. :-)
@Gamers Nexus do you guys plan a review on the Corsair 220T? I've seen reviews saying the performance is comparable to the meshify C
Thank you for including older cards in the charts like my GTX1070. Many reviews only show current gen cards in their charts and I have no idea how the new card relates to what I already have.
Hey my 1060 still in game
@@jiridvorak my shutters so bad D:
@ugaaa5 Yes ;( 1060 3gb.
@ugaaa5 yes count me too
@Florian Oprescu What I get for buying a pre-build lol. Once I got back into building... my father in law asked me to build them a new PC. 2700x for $158 usd, 1650s... Overall including a monitor (switching from mac)the price was 1/3rd less than mine and it kicks my performance by 30% in 9/10 titles.
It's nice having performance increases rather than price cuts bcuz price cuts generally don't happen outside big markets like the US and EU.
@@krayos13 yeah they definitely need to figure out how to launch products.
Cope
@@pedrosoares7273 well you could say that about the 5700 and the 5700xt too.
The price cut in MSRP reflect on all countries, even third ones, the real problem in third world countries is the excessive tax the retailers and final consumers pay to pick these hardwares
But your point in part is very fair, boost in perfomance is a good thing too
@@pedrosoares7273 that's what everyone does unfortunately.
Who else got like 20 notifications for the 5600 XT at the same time?
Obviously, I have to watch GN first!
@@egonpax i've been following you and post my own version of it!
I watched hardware unboxed first lol
Bombarded with rx 5600 xt reviews nice job UA-cam
@@gontary101 I watched Jayz first, it was the shortest lol. Yet, I watched theirs next, now here, and will watch Hardware Canucks later. Of curse all are the same roughly, though interesting how Jayz2Cents stated that the fan of his card wasn't working with the new bio and the AMD software, but had to use MSI Afterburner to get the fans to work properly....I still just trust NVIDIA and EVGA more currently when it comes to drivers and stuff.
"The RX 5600xt was nearly dead on arrival because somehow AMD didn't predict Nvidia's most predictable move in the playbook" Beautiful
I also watched the video.
Why its DOA a 290$ card made to fight any 290$ 1660... and all comparing with a 330$ 2060 ?
@@mnk47 The 2060 is $299, blankowitz.
@@NegerKim crappy cooler no tx
What kind of bulshit you talking about! The card is faster, in most reviews, than RTX2060 about 3-9%.
We tested 4 different bios nice that's exactly what I came for
@@dorientjewoller113 i dont have any problems with my sapphire rx 580 8gb pulse besides drivers issues after new 2020 drivers update it fix all the issues in my card
they tested 2 bios for the alleged other bios's they used the silent profile setting on each bios which slows the fans (to make it more silent) and decreases clock speeds to stop the card from thermal throttling
@@dorientjewoller113 That sounds pretty harsh. Sorry for you..
@@dorientjewoller113 That's a shame. I had an issue with my Sapphire Vega64 in August and it was replaced without any noteworthy delays.
@@dorientjewoller113 you dont need customer service if the product is good enough C:
Here in Germany The Sapphire RX 5600 XT is 10€ cheaper than the ASRock Radeon RX 5700 Challenger.
why should anyone forego 2 gb Vram to save € 10?
What's even funnier is that Caseking is marketing the Saphire RX 5600 XT as "High-End-Gaming-Grafikkarte" XD
In your case it's not even a fight, it's a slaughter.
Relax, kiddo. It will get cheaper. Remember how expensive the RX5700 was when it released? Look where it's now.
The ASRock 5700 is 20€ CHEAPER than the 5600 XT Pulse, here in Sweden. I believe local vendors haven't followed AMD's lowering of MSRPs since the mid-July 5700 launch...
Asrock challenger is their lowest build quality. If you ok with that. or you just wait Asrock challenger 5600xt version.
alot of 5600xt reviews and i chose u.
im gona watch them all
GN first, as always!
alot is not a word.
R u home grown
99% of GPU buyer don't know how to OC, but 100% of AMD GPU buyer know how to flash BIOS. 🤔
Rigor88 why ?
BTW OC the 5700 has been a very frustrating task, is very hard to know if I'm getting better performance with higher clocks.
Time spy scores is all over the place for me 😔
@@jon880215 why OC if you could just flash BIOS?
@@jon880215 run heaven while changing your clocks/voltage so you can oc it easier
Lol true. I bought a new r9 280x back in the day and bios modded it like 10min after I installed it.
GN - please do a technical breakdown of all settings in Nvidia control panel and how they affect game graphics/performance compared to using defaults and only changing in-game settings.
Haha, I am watching 3 reviews at the same time!
Always watch de Gamers Nexus 1st, it's the most comprehensive
You have truly evolved into a higher plane of existence!
@@GamersNexus eventually, I settled on Tech Jesus because who else can I turn to in times of need?
Efat Al Maun really man .wow
I thumbed up your comment because of the Jill Valentine avatar, nice choice.
I guess the embargo just lifted. Got like half a dozen notifications rapid fire all about the 5600 xt
That's how embargos work. It's always the same.
Always counting on Steve giving the numbers in a clean and understandable way. Thanks GN team
Already built my pc, not really interested in this particular cards, but MUST watch all the uploads! Xdd very high quality content, thx guys!
Say it how it is Steve! Awesome review! That freesync stutter drove me nuts, finally got it fixed i think. Didn't really have the driver issues that some were having with my 5700XT, I do feel bad for those who did though.
Same. It's shocking to see how bad it is for others, I feel almost lucky that everything that I've tried works without a hitch.
it makes me very sad that amd has nice hardware but instead they waste the programmers efforts into completely redesigning the wattman interface instead of fixing bugs...
not to mention that they completely redesigned amd wattman but theres still no simple way to set your fan speed to a fixed speed, like in afterburner.
People who handle stuff like UI are not the ones in charge of bugs and such so this is a moot point.
@@1idd0kun either way,someone in QC is either sleeping or told to ignore these issues time after time. I own both AMD and Nvidia cards,so I have no bias either.
@@DefWun
I think it's just the fact that Navi is a new architecture. When Zen 2 came out, the bios was a shit show too, and it only started getting decent recently.
@@1idd0kun AMD has had problems with their GPU software for years. It's well documented and is still happening time after time with new cards being launched. How long would they like their consumers to wait?
Yep. In that video Steve did about the AMD drivers at CES, he mentioned that AMD likes to say that Nvidia's Control Panel looks like it's from the 90s. I say, who cares? Nvidia's Control Center works. I'd rather have a working center that looks dated than a fancy looking center that doesn't work. Get your shit together, AMD! Function before form!
Thanks for being honest about the drivers
"when he changed the windows volume and the volume notification popped up the fps dropped to 30 and went back up when the notification was gone"
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ How the heck amd still has all these driver issues with multimonitor setups etc.
I run a 590 and I have major problems booting with two screens turned on. When the screens are off, no problem with booting to Windows. So.......I'll have myself a next gen nVidia GPU when it launches. (I'm able to allocate a bigger budget for that purchase)
I have this problem with every single windows overlay on my v56. Varies from application to application. Some games its not much of an effect, some games its massive. Not great when I don't have activated windows though, end up having to restart my pc every 4 hours or so to get rid of the watermark.
@@JorgenKremer lol do u recommend I get a 2060 or the new 5600xt
My Vega64 doesn't play nice unless I plug 1 monitor into HDMI and the other display port. Happened after an update. I get intermittent black screens otherwise. Going back to NVidia next card.
This is inconsistent, which is the worst, on 470 I'm great with multimonior, however, for a month or two I had weird issue, every time there was gpu driver update my screens went black and I had to reboot, then install those drivers and then everything was fine.
Yeah, rx470, I'm waiting for next gen gpu's to see if RT/RTX becomes relevant or not.
drivers should be a more prominent argument in the gpus, after all, no one will give your time back for troubleshooting =\
I agree. That’s been one of my biggest hesitations between the 5700XT or coughing up the extra dough for the 2070 super
@@radicalxedward8047 same xd but in a tier lower, a 2060
@Alistair Poor value? You're clueless. The 2070 Super offers better drivers, more performance, Raytracing, DLSS, Ansel, CUDA, CUDNN, NVENC, better OpenGL and VR performance, and tons of Nvidia only features.
What does the 5700XT offer? A bit lower price.
its been months and i still have problems with the drivers(rx 5700xt)
Depends, really. I don't mind a bit of troubleshooting if it means a more reliable card. Or, not supporting toxic business practices. I haven't had any noteworthy driver problems since like 2013 with my 7970, but when I was upgrading, I wasn't exactly all that interested in buying NVidia right when they were pushing GPP.
love how GN has gone out of their way to provide us with benchmarks for every possible bios possibility. would have been very easy to just say "update your vbios before comparing results to this video" but this is not the GN way. You guys the real MVPs.
5:15 “the cpu team needs to talk to the gpu team about how to run a company or something” best line of the video.
5:08
I just bought an MSI RX 5600 XT GAMING MX for $260 lol. Brand new at a computer retailer, and I’m very happy with this card.
Glad you guys address the AMD drivers issue, it has been horrible.
Great content as always.
I have the XFX 5600 XT, post bios, 14gbps pro series card. It's the best card I've ever had. There's not much overclocking you can do with it, but you can max it out and it runs 3DMark just fine.
Apart from that front shroud, the Sapphire card looks sexy from every angle.
maybe there will be a Nitro variant of it. Those usually look better.
I think the pulse cards look tacky. The nitro cards however, look clean.
Greatly respect this channel. Underrated. Thank you for looking out. Just want to drop some love even in an older vid.
I keep spamming for 5600 xt search. Can't wait the benchmark
Glad to see people acknowledging these driver issues publicly. Great Hardware, less than stellar drivers, has been the case for awhile sadly.
FPS drop / stuttering when adjusting volume in win 10 is also happening to me in CS:GO. Microsoft just ignores my full-screen and its trying to force volume bar to show through game. Just want to point out that its happening even with my GTX 1080.
Yep. Disabling fullscreen optimizations on the executable used to work but not anymore. In some games, the volume bar doesn't appear but in other it appears.
Got my Sapphire pulse rx 5600 XT and bios was not flashed. The instructions and the files on the Sapphire web page made the flashing easy.
290$, still nothing in mid 200ish... I mean yes, 5500xt is there but those are utter crap for the money.
Yup, crazy that there is no direct competitor to the 1660 super.
I got a red devil Vega 56 for 225$. As far as I can tell,it is best AMD GPU for the 200 ish price right now. Obviously you might have to go used, but still VERY worth it vs 590 or (NEW) 5500XT (8GB)
1660 Super?
It still have better build quality than all nvidia version.
@@marceldiezasch6192 Yeah I know that's available, but I was talking AMD gpus
i am amazed by the 1080ti on gtav, owning everything out there (till 1440p)
I've been doing some benching recently, just added a 1080 Ti config for an upper reference - so nice to see such smooth fps even at 1440p. Infact it was so damn fast it kept hitting the game engine's internal frame rate cap (approx. 188fps); when that happens the game stutters badly. Solution was to set a frame rate limit using Riva Tuner (very easy), so I chose 175, smooooth awesomeness. See:
www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/gtav.txt
The fps cap is why 1080p/Low is actually slightly slower than 1440p/Low for the 1080 Ti config.
More results with weird XEONs and other stuff here:
www.sgidepot.co.uk/sgi.html#PC
@@mapesdhs597 you can set a framerate cap in the Nvidia drivers with the newest CES release ;)
@@fie1329 Cool, but it's very easy with Riva Tuner, which I'm running anyway because of all the benching I'm doing. :)
Amd when Nvidia dropped their price. What?..... They can do that?
I guess it freaked them out as much as my gf's work colleague was when she was told it was perfectly possible to melt cheese into baked beans (with a dash of black pepper), she actually said, "You can do that??".
They can reduce prices too but hey, its AMD we are talking about
if only the supers would drop another 50 bucks haha
mapesdhs that is a pretty good answer tbh
I've been trying to replace my RX 590 and I was considering getting the 5600 XT. Seeing as the Bios update helps it tremendously and you can even push out more performance using MPT without destroying the card or putting it on water I think I've found it'd be a good option since I want to stay under 300 dollars.
No point of upgrade 590
@@lifemocker85 I bought a 5700xt after thinking about it
Popcorn? Grabbed
Video quality? As high as my internet can go.
My wallet? Condition dependant on the content in the video.
How’s the wallet looking?
Hotel? Trivago.
So the wallet is still full then?
Might pick one up for my R5 1600, seems like a nice pair
Same here man, it would be a nice upgrade from an rx570, especially when prices eventually drop between $250 - $260
Thank you thank you thank you for talking about amd driver issues at the end!
I just got my PowerColor RedDragon 5600XT and discovered that the BIOS was already up-to-date. I bought it off Amazon. I've got my Ryzen 2600 running at 3.85 GHz all core and actually just edged out an 3600 at stock timings on the firestrike 3dMark.
nobody:
not a soul:
subtiles: andy instead of amd
This meme format seriously needs to just die.
I liked the Sniper Elite 4 data comparison. Shows how all them cards compare
So the takeaway is AMD Video Cards are no good since the drivers are sht? Why not just pick one of the Invidia Super cards instead for peace of mind? =D
pretty much yeah
Honestly, I would wait until AMD fix NAVI's driver before using RX5600XT on my clients computer, price performance is about the same with RTX 2060, yet driver performance aren't.
Well, finewine will probably strike again, but not until I am forced to spend time fixing driver issue one by one. Probably best option is to wait a while.
What’s wrong with AMDs drivers again?
I’ve never had any issues. Multi monitors, volume adjustments, Radeon Overlay moving through mouse, etc. Lol.
He literally explains what's wrong with them in every review of a new AMD card, but sure. Ignore that and ask what's wrong with them, fanboy. That'll make the problems go away. 🙄
The buggy throttling/stuttering under lower loads has been a problem for months on Navi and AMD can't get a handle on it. I can only agree with James, avoid if you just want to play hassle free.
I guess an artificially restricted card that they can unlock a bit more is still a better option than a card be DOA cos it's at the end of its wick by design.
@@faultyservice ok, but following that kind of logic, everyone should stop doing everything, because someone else does a better job that's just around the corner.
If for nothing else AMD forced Nvidia's hand, maybe not buy much, but still.
On the lower end of the spectrum, Nvidia has too many cards almost $50 apart. If AMD wedges something in there, adjusting prices would need to cascade down, otherwise cards would step on eachother. That is at least good for the consumer.
Liked! Only review so far which had tweaked vega56 numbers. Thank you!
Finally. Thanks Steve
Great overview! I’m feeling even better about picking up a 5700XT now.
Hey Steve and GN, since you are making a video about AMD drivers, can you check whether you are limited to 60Hz refresh when GPU Scaling is enabled?
I was so glad that I grabbed a RX 5600XT in Oct 2020 before the price went crazy.
Tip always DDU the driver before installing a new GPU, I have seen some systems switched to AMD with GeForce experience kept on it.
Yeah, basic stuff here. Should also run it in safe mode and also clean install the GPU via drivers as an extra layer. Sometimes running DDU a few times helps, can check registry.
the thing i hate about using DDU is remembering how to get win10 into safemode again.. settings>update and security>recovery>advanced startup>restart now etc etc... it should not be that complicated... my pet peeve... lol
There's multiple versions of the Sapphire 5600 XT 6GB Pulse too btw, mine is a 299-5E411-202SA. Peak temp (with synthetic stress load) 68C, avg GPU clock: 1800Mhz., vRAM clock: 1875Mhz (x8, 15000Mhz. effective)
Dıd you bios update bcz it says this model cannot be bios updated and did you have any issues withc card pls answer i bought the same version
I wish there weren't so many 5700xt horror stories. I'm in the market for an upgrade in this price range, but amd is making it hard to consider a 5700
If you can, get a 2070 Super instead of 5700 xt. AMD Driver's are truly horrible.
I wish I had seen these stories before I bought mine, tbh. There’s only like 2 games I can play that doesn’t crash my system right now.
Uriah Siner yeap same, I bought a 5700 xt early December and experienced more crashes in 2 weeks than I had with my 970 in 4 years. Thank god for Amazon and their return policy. Happy with my 2070 Super now.
@@Thee_Sinner defective card, return it
I'm happy with my red devil 5700xt. Yes some stuff sucked at first, like black screens, but now things are better after 20.1.3 drivers
Thank you Steve for investigating the radeon drivers. There's more problems then those you list and I would love to see a video that really details this and forces AMD's hand a bit. Did you know that the vega cards cant play HDR netflix? I wanted to use my radeon vii to double as an htpc but cant send a 4k hdr blueray to a television. Playready 3.0 was talked about in 2018 for the vega cards. Blackscreens caused from desktop programs that use gpu acceleration (I refuse to believe a fix for that is to disable the feature you buy a gpu for) Run a 20 minute benchmark no problem, quit that and open firefox and blackscreen, reboot, reset wattman settings. Inconsistant random screen flickers while on a static webpage or the desktop, sometimes twice a day, sometimes every 20 seconds. I'd be perfectly happy with my card if it could just be stable.
AMD's graphics division really needs to pull it's head out of its butt.
What a farce lol. How do they not know Nvidia is going to lower it's prices?
Please will someone save us from these graphics card companies?
@@geepsu666 god help us if Intel is our saviour.
Remember the 2060 is ~equivalent to the 1070, without RT considered . A super salty NVDA fan like myself (:P), might be compelled to say, "OK, AMD, we get it: you can build a 1070 / 1080 in 2020". (Ala the same ragging nvda gets for 1080TI) I'm just pulling your chain though, as usual great review. Not alot of fluff, straight to point.
Regarding the Radeon group; I watched when their person took the stage at CES during the AMD presentation and was underwhelmed by her performance.
Glad I'm not the only one with stutter/black screen, especially for StarWarsBattlefront2 (thought it was a Dice problem). Running 144hz monitor w/ 5700 XT. Notice problems only come up with FreeSync as well. Amd's latest drivers seemed to stop the crashes and PC restarts. Still occasional black screen unless I turn FreeSync OFF then ON for monitor thru OSD.
All of these notifications on reviews and GN is still the first I go to
Good to see that both actually still want to fight for market share!
Thought we would get stuck with the high prices in this segment! :)
just had to return a 5700xt because of AMD drivers, the hardware might be nice but worthless if the software doesn't work
Works fine. Get a nondefective card.
@@TheGuruStud Have you tried a non defective 5700xt on WarlordWossman's particular set of hardware?
@@Safetytrousers A working card is not going to cause that amount of issues for him to say it doesn't work. That's a ridiculous assertion.
@@TheGuruStud He hasn't specified what the issues were but he wouldn't be the only person to have had trouble with AMD drivers. I am saying no matter what AMD GPU he has it won't fix drivers that are causing him issues he doesn't like. Not all software will behave the same on all working hardware configurations.
u guys addressing the driver issues are a big help to our community. Love your videos
That's where I think your wrong, AMD saw Nvidia move ahead of time and saved this Bios Update as a weapon incase thia happened.
Me too... AMD forced Nvidia to show their cards. They did... lower prices. Then AMD says BIOS update!
TBH the only review to watch for benchmark it would be either gamers nexus or hardware unboxed for me. NICE
Uh, Steve, did you hear from Hardware Unboxed how to fix the messy drivers? Since you have a test bench, you have to use many different graphics cards, from Nvidia to AMD. Apparently, if you delete the previous drivers that are still on the boot drive, then it will work fine.
You don't honestly think that GN don't know how to uninstall drivers, do you?
@@mjc0961 I know that these guys are pretty smart, but I also know that there are people who have never had problems with Radeon rx products, and they deleted the previous drivers. Though, what made you think that I was talking down to them?
I wanna see a powermod that melts the 8-pin, turn the dial to 11! I feel like this is going to cannibalize RX 5700 sales. RX 5600 XT Red Devil is priced the same as budget RX 5700s. They're all good cards, but it reeks of artificial segmentation. How far can this be overclocked before the memory bandwidth causes issues? It's out of spec, but a single 8-pin should be able to handle ~250 W as each pin is rated for 7 amps.
I think you should send people home with nvidia graphics cards as well, but yh I do understand your point of view, great review as always
6 months past NVIDIAs price cut is usless, 2060 founders edition is priced up to $400 custom 2060s are ranging from 350-400+. While 5600xt pulse is chiling in the 299
R u home grown
I have a theory.
I think AMD's GPU division is relying way too much on gains from node shrinks. They really need architecture to catch up.
Probably is maintaining compatibility for consoles, and also money which is why they can't have 2 architectures running side by side.
If they had money we'd probably see a ground up architecture like Zen, but because they can't build one from scratch and have to use the current modified architecture for consoles in order to ensure backwards compatibility we have Navi doing both jobs.
@@scarletspidernz yeah. Rdna is basically an extended GCN so native GCN code can still run (even though it doesnt touch the extensions).
This is pretty much in line with how Nintendo used the same hardware in the original Gameboy and in the Gameboy Color -- with just double memory banks and extended everything
Nice Reviewe Steve! Thank you! However, I noticed that some of the Data in your Benchmark Sheets is extremely outdated and yes, I know it's a massive hassle, but I would love it when you update it. One Example I can produce myself. In SOTTR in 1080p, High Settings, no AA my Radeon VII (yes it runs at 2050MHz effektive GPU-Clocks with 1265MHz on the HBM @1,16V @~280W (Standard Driver Settings) with a 9900k at 5 Ghz and DDR4-4133 CL17 but still) and the Performance is far beyond even Night and Day compared to what is shown here, it's in another world. Especially the insanely low 0.1% are a thing of the past and do not appear anymore, even on Stock-Settings. My VII scored 141 Min. FPS, 179 Average and 295 Max in the GPU Benchmark with the Settings mentioned with my System and OC-Settings. The VII is EoL, yes, but it is still going strong and in comparison to the RX5700XT has real Overclocking Potential for upto 25% Performance Gains over Stock (like in my Case), making the VII very competitive still to the RTX2080 Super and is still a great Option for AMD Fans that want to have a bit more Performance.
It's been brought up before... he doesn't care. He hasn't updated the Vega 56 since the partner cards were released.
@@carbonsx3 That's a bit sad, cause its not only the AMD GPUs, I suspect that most of the older ones are victim to this too. I really like Steve's work but this paints an inaccurate picture. Sure, he could just throw those stats out but...I would love to see an update version. We all know how much stupid work that is and how much effort it would take for probably little benefit..but welp, It would be nice is all I am saying.
@@JoePWI Yeah it is a huge amount of work and at some point you just have to throw in the towel I some products, I guess... but it does make the comparisons difficult. I have a Vega 64 myself and I don't have any of the driver problems GN complains about either...
*Nvidia lowers 2060 price*
*AMD hurts itself in confusion*
Why hurt? They just increased the performance
@@marceelino a rushed one, aka this time it's reverse jebait
@@alrecks619 i don't think so. 2060 is still more expensive and you get the same performance from 5600xt. So there is bo reason to buy the 2060.
@@marceelino but what about the 5700? The 5600 xt killed the 5700.
@@marceelino The 2060 also has better software and features worth the extra 10$.
I've been using the 5700XT since launch and the only issue I've had that's been consistent has been the FreeSync issue, such as the disconnecting issue.. Had some strange slow down in Fallen Order but I was trying out anti-lag with that to see if it would do anything. It didn't but turning off anti-lag fixed it. Not many multi monitor issues.
I wish this was me. But at least the new driver release fixed my problems.
It's a shame that the drivers are garbage, so much that I wouldn't even consider buying an AMD card right now no matter the performance.
Thats my dilemma as well
Stable drivers or good price to performance?
Drivers are stable i have nitro 580 and red devil 5700xt and nitro 5700xt and zero issue on this cards, many people blame amd drivers not work thats not exacly the true!!
@@intech7863 They might work great for you but a lot of people are having issues. Buying from Amazon becomes almost mandatory in this case, just to be able to return it if you're unlucky.
@@zarco5855 The only people that say anything are the people that have problems, hence 'a lot' of people are having problems... @_@
I have been having zero problems with drivers or Wattman...
Same here 5700xt with zero issues... it seems that some dual monitor setup Are having problems at this moment, but I only run one monitor so I can not check that out.
i got my sapphire 5600 xt for like a month now...All i can say is that card is a little beast...and i was always an Nvidia fan boy...but since i got 5600 xt in a very sweet price and saw that my perfomance from my previous 1060 6 gb when sky high...is was sooooo worthing it ;)... Btw i didnt had any issues like dark screen or whatever :)
wich driver are you using ?
So a BIOS update is all we need for our old cards to gain a %10 boost? Crooks!
its actually 15% on average
Had 3 generations of AMD videocards the drivers always been shit, never again. I know, I know finewine, but not waiting for 3 or more months before they get the drivers right. I do like AMD cpus, I have a Ryzen 3700x and a msi rx2080 they work good together.
thx for putting pressure on AMD...i personally have enough of their drivers. have been with AMD GPUs long enough, time for others to take the hit.
and yes, i "dare" to have multiple monitors. i know, its all my fault...
Predictable business moves, but I'm glad both were made. This AMD card brings the Nvidia 2060 down in price, while AMD responded by bumping up its clock and ram speeds to help compensate. The 5600 XT may or may not cannibalize 5700 sales, but the alternative was putting out a card nobody would care about. Either way, its a pretty good example of what competition can do for the consumer. I just wish there was a legit third competitor for both the CPU and GPU markets.
"Some cards will never get updates, from what we’ve been told, as their designs too closely ride the limit of the lower power budget. " - those cards should be called 5600 non-XTs or something.
AMD should not be pulling the "same exact part name with very different performance" bullshit.
In my Utopia, AMD next releases new bios's for the 5700 & 5700 Xt giving them each a 10% perf increase.
lol sure
Those all use the same gpu... look their power targets! The original power target for 5600xt was way below what 5700 and 5700xt use. So there was a lot of room to do it!
At this point, I think AMD looses a sale from me because of the drivers.
I agree with you 100% GN. I bought a 5700 XT because I couldn’t afford a a RTX 2070 Super without taking money away from my kid. And boy do I regret it with all the Bios issues. I honestly would rather have a RTX 2060 Super instead. It would have lower Frame rate but at least it would work every time flawlessly
Amd: Releases new gpu.
Nvidia: Loweres price to make gpu irellevant.
Amd: Wait. Thats illegal!
You have the perfect idea for a follow up video, The Arms Race. How close can you get a 5600 XT to a 5700 non XT and then how close can you get a 5700 non XT to a 5700 XT.
“Certain partners” lol. Probably XFX as much as they cried last time around.
they always put shit cooler,and factory OC their cards
Basically, get the 2060 KO (if its even in stock) if you want a card without driver issues. If you are ok with driver issues, the 5600XT might be ok, if you know how to flash a GPU BIOS. If you don't know, just buy the cheapest 5700 (XFX DD Ultra for 309.99 right now on B&H, not including MIRs)
The whole things just confusing now, even for me i've lost interest.
BIG like for the extra testing...AMD needs to fix these bugs asap.
AMD GPUs still need to fix their drivers before I’ll buy one. The hardware is great, but they are shooting themselves in the foot with poor software
Current drivers (20.1.1) are working perfectly for my Sapphire RX5700XT Nitro+
I haven't had any issues with my Sapphire Pulse 5700xt, but it seems to be all over the place. It's either they are unusable or running perfectly.
@@Chalto my 5700xt nitro instead has problems...
Haven't had issues with the drivers im using for my rx570 and they evem updated the ui and its feels so much better to use than nvidias ui.
@@PIVAZ91 I take it you've used DDU to completely remove any pervious video drivers etc? Also, I found it best to pre download the latest driver, run DDU in safe mode (or it doesn't work properly), disconnect Internet until after you've installed the new driver (or it tries to install via windows update).
I know it'd be a lot of extra work, but some VR benchmarks would be awesome to see. I suppose they'd be similar to 1440p or 4k performance it'd just be nice to see hard numbers even on a single headset.
Anothe radeon failure, wow who could see that coming??
Its trading blows with the 2060 while being cheaper, dunno how that is a failure.
Pig Daddy Only after the last minute BIOS update and Steve doesn’t recommend it. I’d call that a failure.
@@pigdad I wish it was cheaper in Europe. Here its basically the same price as 2060. In general its around 320-350€ same as 2060.
What I'm taking away from the noise and thermal testing is that the card was overbuilt for the original spec, so it benefits from the spec bump. Cards built to a more strict price point will probably suffer more.
For me all Nvidia cards are DoA since it doesn't work with Linux as well as AMD.
Agreed on AMD being jimped initialy but their decision to be very conservative in the initial specs of 5600XT, they had much to gain from a VBIOS update and the result is a huge win for them in the below $300 GPU market where nVidia doesn't have any RTX GPU since the EVGA model isn't found anywhere now for $299 (limited production SKU maybe?).
When you check your feed and everyone posted their review at the same time "20 minutes ago"
Yep, so now I'm just waiting for Paul's rant at NAAF. :D
You did a much better review of this than LTT in spite of their 30 employees. Well done. Your Nvidia tko review was excellent as well.
tech jesus
Well, here in Spain the cheapest 2060 is the Zotac's for 320 eu and if 5600 xt goes for 280 eu-290 eu then is a better deal. Also, my vega 56 was having the same black screens you said (dual monitor also) and in reddit pretty much every 5700 are having black screens for months now. I really wanna buy AMD but geez paying 300 or more for a gpu for it no be able to play games is insulting.
Every gamer is smarter than a scientist, AGREED?
So, you know that what Steve is doing is a form of science, right?
@@matheuss.menezes2151 man my channel is also from science.check it out
Nice Work Dudes! That is a nice Card but i wait for the Bigger Navis!
Can't wait for Igors Lab Review : ) German UV/OC Watercooler etc... God!