@@aquapendulum Ryzen 1600 - 219$ / Ryzen 5600 - 199$. You can stick your inflation argument in your ass, the current GPU prices have nothing to do with inflation at all - that's part of the problem, but not the only one.
Inflation is real man, even worse overseas. The Next Gen of components will be significantly more expensive. IF diesel continues to go up, I could only imagine how bad it will be.
I see at microcenter the 6750xt is $50 more, at least when comparing the red devil cards at $560 and $610, there is an asus 6750xt for $580 too *Edit I see the 6700xt red devil has dropped to $540, so $70 difference now
Got a 6700 myself, it'd a really nice card. And especialy notable with current rising electricity prices, it is really power efficient for what it delivers. Only thing to note is that for some reason a lot of board partners and amd themselves set the fan curves really low, so if you get one make sure to check that. No reason to let the card go to 90+ degrees C on the hotspot while fans are capped at 60% RPM after all.
The difference a year makes. I've seen some partner cards and even AMD's founders cards at $650 before taxes as of April 2023. It's a pretty good time as of this writing to buy PC parts at reasonable prices.
i think its the perfect price performance ratio in this price region and with this performance... i got this card and i am really happy with this card... i am sure that you can play future games pretty well with well optimized fsr, resolution scaling (such a good feature) and dialing back settings that you wont see while normal gaming... but with this pure power this card has, it will hold up a few years im sure about that... look at 1080 ti...
I wonder if there will be a fundamental shift in GPU architecture. The way it’s going, we’re probably going to have 8 slot cards by the end of the decade
It's not worrying me at all. RDNA 3 is going to be fine in terms of power efficency. The reason this is inefficient is that it's essentially just an OOTB Oc'ed 6900XT with better memory. Don't let this reflect on the potential performance of cards with a radically different architecture.
Shit's worrying, seems like every next generation of GPUs consume more power and cost more. The system as a whole cost more and consume more power. If you are not rich af frankly you should be worried.
I think at some point the market is going to shift more towards streaming games, where the game is rendered in a data center and streamed to you as real-time video. Xbox Game Pass Ultimate already let's you stream many games and the performance is surprisingly acceptable (I tried Forza Horizon 4 and it was fine... I have a 1 gigabit connection tho).
Its only because the cheapest way to improve performance is to overclock the old stuff you already have. Why waste all that Research money building a better product or paying extra money to tsmc for better manufacturing when you can just slap a bigger cooler on and call it a day
It's times like these (minimal performance upgrades at a steep price) that really makes me appreciate I was able to upgrade my 1070 to a 3070 for $500.
A year later and you can get the rx 6950 xt for 599.00 over the 529.99 for the 6800xt, that is 10% more for 70$. It is also way cheaper than a rtx 3080 at around 1,000 and a 3080ti around 1200 and rtx 3090 is 1500 and up and rtx 3090 ti starts around 1800. If your watching this in late 2023 the rx 6950 is the best GPU value for performance hands down. Thing is a beast at an awesome price!
Was in the market for a 7000 or 40 series card. Just bought a red devil 6950XT new for $780. you cannot beat that price per performance vs the price point of these scalped prices.
Looking forward to the new generation of graficscards I think it will be interesting for the consumer to rank the cards by efficiency like fps per watts. Because looking at 600 Watt "tdp" high end cards the powercost will be a hugh point to consider if the card allone can cost you like 200 bucks a year more than a rtx 2000 series card in power consumption. I would love to see new charts with the upcoming generations. I will even help you with the "classification" if you want
@@chicken29843 if you can spare the money from a month salary than yes you will not care for the extra energy cost. But if you save up for a year or two to build a new high end pc than you care about the extra cost and not everybody knows enough about that to calculate the hugh power consumtion into it. And it makes a enormous difference if only 1 part of a future pc takes up the power of what a whole system needs today. I hope that the trend will go to more efficient system components than just in more energy consumtion for more fps. But with the arcitecture scraping on the physicly possible with how small the transistors are getting I do not much hope for that.
Almost all cards today are pushed to run where they are not so efficient to get the last 10-15% performance out of the card. You can on all cards run custom under volt curve and tweaked clock rates to loose 6-10% performance but save up to ~100 watts of power. You can choose power draw vs performance.
@@chicken29843 you know in germany 1 kWh costs 30 cents and the prices will rise like mad in the comming years so it is a pretty big deal if a systems needs like 900-1000 watts instead of 500 Watts. All I am saying is that from a pc tech "teaching" perspective where I see gamers nexus it should be thought about a new aditional perspective to categorize the upcoming cards this way too.
Just picked up an RX 6950 XT for $569 on sale at Newegg. Looks like a steal; finally gonna be able to push my 1440p/144 hz monitor; super excited coming from a 2070.
You know what the best thing about this card is? Sapphire had it in them to put a proper 3-slot PCIe bracket on the back of the card. Putting a 2-slot bracket on a 4-slot card like a lot of vendors did with the RTX 3090 Ti is just ridiculous. They probably do it for compatibility, but cases that small probably won't fit a 4-slot card no matter the size of the bracket, so again, I'm happy to see it done right here. Excellent review, as always!
I think there are pros and cons to this. There are several SFF cases that can fit large 3-slot cards, but only have 2 slot covers at the back of the case since they were only designed for mITX motherboards. Sometimes, there is room for a 3-slot bracket to overhang, sometimes not (case edges, retention mechanisms, etc). The best solution would be to include an interchangeable slot cover for the video card, so users who can't fit a 3-slot retention bracket into their case can swap it out for a 2-slot option.
@@Vasharan Perhaps this is true for the Sapphire card, but when it comes to say the EVGA RTX 3090 Ti FTW3 I would disagree seeing as that is a 4-slot card. Even though it has a 2-slot bracket, I do not know of any SFF cases that would fit that kind of card, and even if there were some, they would be bought by such a small minority that it would be much more beneficial to just put a 4-slot bracket on it in the first place. Just my opinion though.
January 2020: Bored, surfing around, and I stumble to NewEgg. They were having a clearance sale, which included a Sapphire RX 580 Pulse for ~$100. I'm a 1080p gamer, but my trusty Sapphire R7 360 was getting a bit creaky, so I pulled the trigger. I wish every impulse buy was that prescient. 😳😅 Anyway, this being my third consecutive Sapphire, they make a good card. The oldest is a Radeon 4850 from ~2008 that still chugs along (though not useful for much beyond troubleshooting). Looking forward to the teardown of this 6950. 👍️
My first expensive gpu was a Sapphire 4850. Dead on arrival. Returned it for a Sapphire 4870. It broke 1 year after warranty expiration (3 years old). Never trusted Sapphire and amd again since then. A couple months ago I started thinking of buying an amd card again. And Sapphire is a potential brand. I might risk it.
This is honestly worrying for next gen gpu's. I think there should be more of a power draw to performance standard. Especially in the state of the world we live in currently.
Agreed. Nvidia is busy running off the edge of the cliff when it comes to efficiency and Lovelace is apparently much, much worse than Ampere. Here's hoping that AMDs midrange offerings will still have good efficiency.
I'm sitting here in the UK with a power hungry 980Ti that's really showing it's age, we've just had a 50% price increase on electricity bills, we know we're getting another 30-50% increase in October, and I'm getting used to the idea that my next GPU purchase will be a 4050, or whatever comes out eventually in that power consumption class.
Also in the UK - I am very happy with a RTX 2060 KO - the office is cooler Trying to manage the electricity consumption down to that of an average house . . .
@@LurkingLarper According to the predictions I've seen, even Lovelace will still improve performance per watt, despite how power hungry the top SKUs will be.
In the UK a Powercolor Red devil 6950xt is about £50 more than a 6900xt and if i was in the market for a card of this level i think the extra £50 is worth it. it seems to be the same throughout the whole stack yes the MSRP are higher but the street price is about the same.
With these cards consuming so much energy I'm wondering whether there shouldn't be some sort of requirement that they show the same kind of 'estimated annual consumption' labels like we see for other major power consuming appliances and light bulbs. The power consumption figures on these cards put them square in the middle of the range for a full size refrigerator.
Refrigerators are running 24/7. Gaming is not. Very difficult to estimate cost when you don't have an amount of time and game playing. Too many variables that aren't steady
Now that's an idea that seems obvious but nobody seems to have really proposed. Perhaps that might affect customer choice seeing a big D on the ENERG sticker that comes on the box.
@@khaledm.1476 Forcing them to be so labelled for mining would be bizarre for various reasons, while for production workloads that would just be saying they are somehow pro cards, which is not the marketing angle either company prefers. Movie studios use RTX 8000s, not gamer cards, and they don't run 24/7 (renderfarms are far more relevant in that regard). As the other poster said, there is no consistent usage for these devices, any labels would have to caveat their rating by correlating it with a particular usage; it is not useful information, people who buy these products don't read such labels and nor are they typically capable of making productive use of it in a viable manner. You must also remember that any such legal enforcement would require structures of creation, management, imposition and enforcement that would therefore itself consume resources via greater state spending (offices & buildings needed for relevant staff, paperwork, computers, databases, etc.) TCO is a vital consideration here, yet people tend to ignore the 'overhead' of any supposed eco mandate; expanding the size of the state to run such a thing just makes matters worse, it consumes more resources in the process overall, not less. I have a 1080 Ti in an oc'd 2700K setup, it's a power hungry machine in many ways, but I generally have little time to use it (and when I do it's not for long) so the running cost is minimal, doubly so the fact that the games I play easily max out at the 1080p TV's 60Hz, leaving the GPU running far below its max rating. In other words, just because a GPU has a particular max power consumption, that doesn't mean someone using it will typically or even ever see that usage in practice. It depends on the games they play, the resolution, settings, whether they run typical 60Hz locked or use a high refresh display, etc. Worth noting here that the emergence of variable refresh & syncing technologies along with high refresh displays has vastly increased the potential max power draw of PCs, because in the past it just didn't matter if one was achieving silly fps numbers, one would just lock it to 60Hz and leave it at that (I stil do), and such systems when running so fast also drive the CPU, RAM, etc. harder aswell (how convenient that via physiological changes those who move to high refresh displays cannot go back, they can't undo their switch to what is an inherantly higher resource consuming means of playing games). I'm moving the GPU shortly to a 5600X setup which will cut the rest of the system draw in half and collapse the idle draw aswell, then I will tailor UV/UC profiles for each game; keep the 1080 Ti going for as long as possible is far 'greener' than buying any replacement GPU (same applies to cars and most other products, but the encouraged norm is to replace, to throw away the old, rather than make do and mend). There are other ways of dealing with power consumption issues. Lastly, and to make matters worse IRL, there is the errant assumption that if people save money via lower power consumption it is therefore greener. This is almost always false, because the vast majority of such people then spend that saved money on *more* resource consumption, ie. they buy other stuff; they don't save the money, especially during times of high inflation, and it's virtually impossible for one to discern what any supposed savings are anyway because it's a comparatively small amount spread out over a long time period (some will start talking about smart meter systems and suchlike, but those devices consume resources to produce, so again the contradiction). Like I said to a friend who moaned about fuel price rises, all they need do to counter it is just not buy one of the bottles of alcoholic beverage they typically obtain every week, the saving would negate many weeks of fuel price hikes. This is why almost all eco programmes, especially those run by state agencies, actually result in more resource consumption and more pollution, because their claimed success is generally measured by how much money they save, ignoring the fact that said money is then spent on further resource usage. Who in these comments talking about power draw and electricity prices does not on a regular basis buy things they don't need? To be genuinely green, all one need do is just not buy stuff that isn't necessary (something govts don't want people to do because mass spending sustains the state via tax take, without it many nations would have a liquidity crisis and SME debt collapse), but that's very hard for people to resist in these wasteful times. In the case of state programmes, monetary savings ought to result in a reduction of the size of govt, if such savings show that relevant structures have become larger than necessary, but that never happens, govt always expands. It's a relevant indicator that the public is now referred to as "consumers" as opposed to just potential buyers. These issues are complex and interwoven, distorted by political spin to obtain votes, exploited by companies for marketing, misunderstood by the public because humans are rotten at understanding risk, probabilities and big picture thinking. People will sit in a 4x4 in a queue at a recycling depot with the engine running just to drop off a single bag of plastic bits (genuine example, quote from a site manager). Other factors such as the appearance of being green in whatever manner having implications for a person's social standing (virtue signalling) make all of this even worse, eg. people who care about validation from strangers via social media, yet they'll spend thousands each year on makeup or other stuff they don't need. They buy the next shiney thing because if they keep using the old but perfectly functional thing they think they will look bad within their social circles. The nature of high end PC tech has become no less guilty of promoting such social pressures, but in the end it's the choie of the potential buyer whether to succumb to them; alas most people find it difficult to defer gratification, and in hard times it's quite understandable many will buy a new thing because they need the emotional uplift, as all around them everything else seems to be going down the crapper.
@@mapesdhs597 lmao in a conversation about video cards right wingers will somehow find a way to complain about virtue signaling and women buying makeup.
I generally favor the budget versions of a gen of GPUs cuz... I'm usually on a budget. But now I'm much more feeling the power draw of high end GPUs are just not worth it- and not just bcuz of cost.
@Gerardo Gonzalez tech new gpu are a little bit stronger than 1080 -1080ti.... Yes consomme a lot more it's a waste. Specially when you go to the 6900xt 3090.... Yes they are more powerful but if you don't have some kind of limit
You card would be 2000$ and it will cost you a lot ok electricity so yeah not worth it. They can do better and they already proven than they can. Exemple 3060ti comsumption
Just ordered this for $600. Arrives tomorrow. The say I pay over a grand for a GPU is the day Im officially insane. To hell with that. If im a year behind. Oh well
I already have been waiting for over a year to buy a new card because of the crazy prices, now I will continue to wait until the 7000 series comes out. Either it will be a much better experience or at least it might lead to 6000 series cards drop in price. They are still 30% or more over MSRP in GER for the most time, although they made a few sensational "normal" prices to lure people in
@@afriendofafriend5766 Assuming there will be sufficient quantity and not outrageously overpriced. You can get a 6900 XT now for less than $900 which is overpowered for what most casual gamers need.
Right now you can get the tier just below this at $670 you can get a Sapphire Nitro + 6950 xt I almost went nVidia but their prices are still inflated compared to the 6k series and have much less VRam
I just decided to buy a 6950xt and they seem quite affordable at $700 atm. Sapphire and xfx on new egg and only xfx on Amazon. A 7900xt isn't bad atm but still a hard $150 more to cough up for not crazy gains. The Nvidia 3080s, 3090s and 4070+ are all outrageously priced. Maybe it might be worth resisting the card now that the cost is so low and at such a difference than the others. In your 7900xt video vs I think the 4090 it was beaten but looked pretty respectable. Overall it's gonna be a crazy boost going from my 2060 super which crazily enough are going used for $300 on eBay so that will ease that sudden big hole in my pocket. Pretty stoked. I have only really been playing games to record recently and although I only have a 1080p monitor, for the moment, it will be cool to scale up the game and record at 1440+ for better videos on obs and support the monitor upgrade whenever I finally give in.
I ended up getting the ASRock OC Formula one. Thing slaps. I don't play a crazy amount of new games I mostly got it so I can record and stream at 4k and the encoder is amazing. I test streamed Mount & Blade Bannerlord maxed at 4k 51mbps on YT with AMDs encoder and god damn watching it back looked exactly like I was playing it. I played Darktide with it but I don't think it's a good test cause folks on Steam have been saying in the latest patch that the performance has been getting worse with every patch. I don't think it can be maxed at 4k and I think I had to be at 1080p to have maxed setting with raytracing on but I didnt really get it for the raytracing anyways, although that raytraced Portal remake or whatever looked great. Might try that. Other than the $700 hole in the pocket definitely worth it, which just reminded me I need to sell the 2060 still...
Not seeing a 6850xt begins to make "sense" when you realize they would have had to price a Navi 21 chip at about $800, and why do that when you can make $1200 off it as a 6950 xt instead
I‘d be interested in seeing the difference between the 6900 XT and the 6950 Xt when both are wattage and voltage unlocked through MPT. Compared to the first leaked TimeSpy Scores they seem to be almost identical.
Why do you care that much about power when you are buying a multi thousand dollar PC, that's like buying a ferrari and complaining about it taking too much gas
I don't really know whether the 6950XT uses the XTX or the XTXH die (latter is higher leakage, higher clocking, but both are the same hardware), but if it's the former, their cores should pretty much perform identically on average, accounting for silicon lottery and such. If it's the latter, the 6950XT should consistently clock higher than the 6900XT. Regardless, the one thing the 6900XT can't match it in is memory. The best memory overclocking 6900XTs barely even reach 2250MHz, which is the stock speed for the 6950XT. If we assume that a 6950XT's memory can overclock about as much, then we're talking about 2400MHz memory, or about 19.2Gbps. That's a hefty increase and should account for quite a bit of performance difference. Now, if it's also an XTXH die, the combined added overclocking potential should be quite a big one. But even so, it's only for benchmarking and maybe some 4K games. For normal use, the differences will be negligible, as they already are when you go with anything above a 6800XT/3080.
@@sidneydeane1620 I know it's still too much, but it's basically at 3080 MSRP now and you get 3090 (rasterized) performance. Also it's actually in stock. Yes this level of performance should be cheaper after 2 years but it looks like better value compared the (currently released) new lineup.
i cant wait to test this baby out perhaps right after New Year's eve (upgrading from a 2080 ti , & 1st time using amd) bought it for $800 on amazon. i heard of many complains & returns of the rx 7900 xtx which if you're lucky , you ll find one for $1000, I didnt feel like spending much more $$$ 7 the reviews of this card are pretty positive. I was just looking for a card that could do 4k @ 60 fps with ultra settings minimum and this card does all that without breaking my wallet as much lol .
The mind boggles me completely that we're living on a planet where expecting $1250 for a graphics card is even acceptable. Over twenty years ago when 3D graphics was in its infancy I'd have killed for something with this cards capability, but looking at the quality of games released today, honestly its not worth it in any sense of the word. God god, the voodoo2 was the last card I bought that offered value for money....
just get a console since most games are made for them then ported. problem solved, i honestly didn't think i would become a "exclusive" console gamer again since the 90's but prices are WAY out of whack. So are the prices of games & the quality of them being released
The existence of expensive GPU's doesn't hurt anyone getting into PC games, no game requires anything near this powerful. I'm still on my RX570 and doing just fine. More options is a good thing, if you don't think the card provides enough value then there's an easy solution - don't buy them. I love that there are options for when I decide to splurge on a hobby, if they sold something twice as fast but 4 times expensive I don't know why we should decry its existence. If that's how people want to spend their money, why not? It's way more interesting to me than other luxury items like cars or watches. Outside of the crypto price hikes, the GPU market has been doing fine, with a great increase in value (~double Pascal) for your money. You'll see even when Intel enters, they won't radically change the scene because producing GPU's (include R&D) is not cheap. I do agree with games being much worse nowadays, but that's a matter of taste, and it seems there's more than enough people happy with consuming whatever crap is being put out today.
@@cordlc i completely agree, just like when you buy a car, the great majority of the people will never need a 90,000 dollar Ford F450, but the option is there if you have cash laying around. for the majority of the people, they still have many options. a Toyota Prius can pretty much satisfy 95% of a person's daily needs.
licząc podatki i cło powinno się przeliczać 5zł = 1$, czyli jak u nich rtx 3080 kosztuje 900$ to na nasze powinno być 4500zł i faktycznie da się za podobną cenę u nas kupić 3080
i still say that compaired to a 3090ti this card is a no brainer. its $800 cheaper. and if your just gaming or gaming and streaming with light editing. you can spend that extra $800 on an amazing 4k monitor/ high refresh rate tv
Or you can buy a 3080/6800 and spend that extra 1250 dollars on a monitor and an XLR microphone and you won't notice the difference. This card seems to just be the "buy me instead of a 3090" response from AMD, but there was no reason to buy a 3090 to begin with, so there's no reason to buy this thing either.
I gotta say, I'm still happy with my second hand gtx 1080 I got for 450 in around 2018 during the last mining crash. For 1440p it's no longer the max every setting card it was for me when I got it but it's certainly letting me bide my time and wait for the next good deal on cards
bought 2 (evga-ftw3/asus-oc) 1080Ti for 330.- Euro each when the 3080 went on sale. best deal ever. lol. I don't even think I will ever upgrade unless the cards die. 1080p gaming with no RTX is good enough for me.
been running my 1080 FTW since release... still works just fine and running like a champ for my needs. only pain is that nvidia removed the LED control from its GeForce experience and have to use a separate app to turn the LEDs off after every driver update. Never been a fan of rgb, but cannot bring myself to take this apart to unplug the lights for fear i might break something and pay crazy prices to replace it.
A year later things have changed a lot. 3080 costs at least $900 with only 10 GB of VRAM (won't even completely render some games now) or over $1000 for 12 GB, 6950 XT is only $600 and performs far better at 1440p and significantly better at 4K and has 16 GB of VRAM. RX 6800 is ~$450, so $150 less, but gets 20 FPS less at 1440p, so the difference in price seems reasonable. The price used to be a lot higher. I also notice he was choosing Sapphire, one of the most expensive variants of the 6950 XT.
Linus is a sell out. all their crap is sponsor by intel. Such sell out that they are. Plus they don't give you any details anymore on their testing system. You will get more details on Linus house than a PC that viewers want to see.
I bought a Red Devil Ultimate 6900XT a few months ago and noticed it was running very hot. At stock it was over 80C and thermal throttling at 110C junction, but still boosting to 2.4GHz. I was unable to tell if this was normal boosting behavior or too hot through googling the problem, because it was within spec. An XTXH die should just boost until it runs out of power, thermals, or frequency. I undervolted it and adjusted the fan curves. Now it's running at 70C/90C at 251W. I found out very quickly the blase attitude towards reviews while GPUs were difficult to buy translated into not very much information being available for these cards once they became available. I'm only considering, just now, after your review of a completely different 520mm2 Navi die card, that maybe I should look into RMAing my card because it's too hot. I feel like a large part of journalistic integrity was missed when review content was pushed to the wayside even though those reviews would have been just as useful to the people considering buying cards or who actually bought them, even months down the line. It feels like reviews are not being done to be useful to the people in the market for the product, since they were cut when they were no longer entertaining to a larger, immediate audience. I understand from a business perspective but you do not have any reviews of a 6900XT board partner card. This is currently the closest thing on your channel to one.
I m totally agree with you for some months i take so long Time to chose a 6900xt custom model and i dont find anything liké in this vidéo. It gives so Many différent customs designs and for thèse prices rangés thé customer want thé best product. A lot of people forget that this IS a lot of money and for this amount its really sad toi receive a Bad product. Personnally i bought thé nitro+ from sapphire and its running very well at the moment
I appreciate these cards launching because it forced the rest of the cards down where they belong Rx 6700xts wouldn’t touch below 550$ on the 9th On the 10th My buddy picked up one for 470$ And that goes for the Rx 6800 and 6800xt as well No more 1000$ Rx 6800s They are where they should be now That is worth the launch by itself
One thing to definitely consider with GPUs like the 6950XT is that these GPUs aren't even just the cost of the card. Even for powerful rigs, you might be looking at changing the power supply as well. This means buying one of these almost-certainly means spending on a new PSU and the new GPU, which sure that's not a huge deal if you can afford that but it is something worth noting. It's a hidden cost of power efficiency (or lack thereof in this case). It boggles my mind that we're seeing huge price hikes across the board, for worse performance per dollar *and* worse performance per watt. It's absolutely doable to maintain an efficiency level even at higher performance levels, but lately it feels like no one seems to care at all. Especially in "second-world" countries where electricity bills are usually sky-high, performance per watt can be a massive deal. Here's hoping the Intel dGPUs will offer something of a counterpoint to this current situation, but who knows. This is yet another reason why I am increasingly excited for things like the Steam Deck, because it's effectively incentivizing game developers to optimize their machines for both linux and lower-spec hardware respectively, making the utilization of very power-efficient lower-performance GPUs like the 1650 an increasingly-viable option. As someone who runs a very power-inefficient GTX 780Ti Classified, I could not be happier with more and more games transitioning away from needing DirectX12 and towards needing a modern Vulcan standard, something a lot of older GPUs still have. Accessibility in this industry isn't something that I feel "has to be catered towards at all costs", but it is something that I feel is sorely lacking. Developers at this point would rather just get something out the door in the cheapest way possible rather than optimize for lower-spec PCs, and why wouldn't they. Statistically-speaking, those with the money to buy games probably have the money for capable machines, so why not target the hardware that's in the largest percentage of your customer base. There hasn't been a large volume of viable customers on limited hardware, until now. Funny that the Steam Deck is simultaneously proving the ability to have a great experience at low-power while the mainstream market continues to throw efficiency by the wayside in exchange for that extra 5%. This has been a trend accelerated thanks to current circumstances, but it is a trend that started before this as well. AMD and Nvidia are still fully-capable of producing power-efficient products.
@@davestephens3246 I didn't say cards like this shouldn't exist. I was making the point that power draw can and does play a factor into purchase decision. Even at the higher-end, I'm sure there are a not-insignificant amount of people who would pick the GPU that wouldn't require them also buying a new power supply, given the choice between two cards of very similar performance (which is what we are experiencing now). One related, but not the same, additional variable that's been thrown in is how many of the Nvidia cards are tripping OCP on a lot of otherwise good power supplies, which could also play into the argument of "buy a GPU, or buy a GPU + PSU". I am well aware that this isn't a massive deal. This is why I wasn't going on some kind of "keyboard warrior" rant, and instead constructed a thought-out statement. I think I made it pretty-clear in the statement that, though power efficiency is something I would like to see more interest in at the top-end, It's more something I was concerned about at the budget level. Either way, my original statement stands and I'm excited at the potential the Steam Deck has to change the gaming landscape for the better.
I like to watch the LTT video reviews first to get the sensationalist view followed by Gamers Nexus to bring me back down to earth. It takes twice as long that way but someone's gotta do it. Also Linus said it was 1100 dollars which sounded like a much more compelling value than 1250 dollars.
Steve is what Anandtech used to be before Anand left to work for Apple. Technical and thorough (and posts consumer content more than once a quarter). Linus is the Top Gear/Grand Tour of the PC hobby. He's like a nerdy Jeremy Clarkson, albeit with less drinking and producer punching. Knows his stuff and you get a good overview with him, but it's still designed to be infotainment.
On the price, AMD's reference 6950 is apparently 1099 Us dollars. The price listed here from GN is for the Saphire partner card, and saphire tends to generaly be on the high end of prices.
Sapphire cards (esp the nitro+ OC editions) from my limited experience are extremely good at maintaining low temps when the architecture has matured. Given the 6x50 series are using the same node, I don't think we will see any 6850s let alone 6850XTs (since the 7000 series are due to be released/announced around end of year or so) so curious to see how the 6750 XT performs. In terms pricing, to be honest I don't think we will see much drops any more given hardly anyone is gaming beyond 4K and not to mention 4K gaming is really not mainstream yet. We are going to be stuck with the current levels of pricing +/- 20% at most on the mid range until 1440p replaces 1080p and 4k replaces 1440p. But, with the cost of living going up globally that ain't happening anytime soon.
just picked up the rtx 3080 12gb, upgraded from an r9 390, built the new pc with a 12700k from 6500, so happy to finally have a pc that runs well. Spent that money I saved buying a 1440p msi ultrawide monitor, lets freaking go.
Is it wrong that I'm actually more excited about the fact that they are finally doing some kind of "box art" again? I feel like the last time we saw some good box art was back in the days of the VooDoo cards.
Ahh, the good old glory days of PC gaming. I remember buying a Voodoo 2, which thinking about it was the last time graphics cards offered any value for money whatsoever.
ikr? xD i got it for 720 used, but for 600 new, this is the best bang for buck 4k gaming gpu... i just love pc gaming... every game i throw at it, just runs in really really pleasant graphics... even older games... i started metro 2033 redux... i was so impressed by the graphics... it holds up so well and it makes old games more pleasant to play then ever before.. games from 2014 and older... no problem it will look nice and newer games with these graphics power look just like "too good to be true"... feels like playing a high rendered screenshot xD
I like that there are choices for high end products. Wasn’t that long ago the top end consisted of only one option, the $1200 rtx2080ti. At least now there are lots of cards available that I am free to call Stupid because there are actually better value options that exist. This gpu is stupid.
Its not only that but also the immense satisfaction you can feel when you buy the reasonable alternative for a lot less but almost the same performance. Positive feelings are priceless. 😌
Stupid yes. But it is still the most powerful commercially available GPU that works in Linux Workstations. As NVidias proprietary drivers are a nightmare on linux. So, it's always good to see AMD almost match team green. Outside of production workflows, there really is no reason to buy this.
I agree completely, anyone considering throwing anything over 500 on a GPU must have a screw loose. Its just a shame there is no 2016 level half decent offering available new for 200.
@@robertkeaney9905 im not arguing its a bad performer. AMD has been able to put out amazing technology I feel is more sophisticated than current nvidia. What makes this stupid is seeing a 6900xt on sale in stock at newegg for $850 after rebate this morning
@@evers6214 Wait, RTX 6900's are down to 850??? Hell yeah. Oh also um, point taken. I had no idea the price to performance gap was that big. My mind was still stuck on old 6900 prices. I can't believe prices have changed so much so quickly.
It's actually crazy that GPUs are actually getting buyable. Not only being in stock, but prices are almost acceptable. I could get a 3070 Ti at 840 Canadian, which is ~60$ higher than a direct conversion of the US MSRP... but PC components are just more expensive in Canada anyways, so it might actually be very close to MSRP for us (obviously that card was never sold at MSRP in Canada so who knows). Now just having more options is great.
Yeah i actually happened to find a 3080 ti at msrp not to long ago and it was literally within my first 2-4 hours of GPU shopping. Ive seen a bunch of others popping up for their original price as well but maybe that’s just to clear the stock before the 40 series comes out.
with nearly 4 slot cards cropping up, I wonder when we're just gonna start seeing tower coolers on cards. I've seen people post videos with them strapping hyper 212 evos and similar coolers to gpus and got amazing results lol
just so glad can get a GPU omg, finally i used to check jokingly but now finally can buy to near MSRP! Got storage recently, to can fully deck out my PC and give it a nice long overdue upgrade!
I think maybe it's time to explore alternative cooling solutions AMD. These cards are at a premium price, so it would be nice to not have to try and shove an entire crt monitor in my case.
Not sure why they set fans so conservatively. Just makes them look bad imo. I typically set fans around 60 to 70 percent and do not think the noise is excessive. They are typically set much lower than that in the stock settings. I’ve also found it necessary to adjust fan curve and have a set fan speed starting a bit below the low temperatures one might be at when gaming. I found that the automatic adjusting of fan speeds during gaming caused stuttering and worsened performance.
Depends on the case to be honest. With a GIANT heatsink, higher fan speed is less needed. If the card isn't throttling due to temps, than the lower fan speed is a benefit for power consumption, noise, fan longevity.... getting to 75-80c is well within the expected thermal performance.
Well the initial fan ramp up shows that the card is actually designed for a less optimal environment than an open test bench. 3090Ti's easily hit 2500rpm in not truly airflow optimised cases and this gpu will too hit 2000rpm in most cases. AMD says GPU go boom at 110°C, clocks don't drop until the hot spot hits 100°C so Sapphire chose 95°C to keep the card as quiet as possible. And as we've seen with bascially all AMD TSMC 6/7nm based products, everything that is not three digits is generally just fine
With the size of these new cards why don't they make an aio liquid cooler right on the card. Someone should be able to figure out how to mount the block rad/pump straight to the card.
Just did the MSI Gaming X one for a friends build, at his budget and sitting in MicroCenter when the only other option for high end was the 4080, grabbing a 6950xt at the now $880 price point was a no brainer, would of looked at PowerColor's option at $785 if it was in stock.
Mine is getting delivered today at that price, plus get 20% back with card I used at Best Buy. Made it a good enough deal to make the switch back from Nvidia first time in years! Ray tracing not worth the price of NVIDIA
$1,250 is insane. I just bought an MSI 6950XT for $850 so apparently the price has come down $400 in 6-7 months. Yet another reason why buying at launch isn’t always the smartest play.
I just bought the exact same card as you - the price deflation in 7 months is absolutely bonkers. I also undervolt my 6950XT. So I've got a reasonable price and reasonable running costs. I was hoping RDNA3 was going to be better than it was so I jumped on 6950XT.
@@_N4VE_ How has it been? been thinking about upgrading to the same one. I play in 1440p and wanna stay above 60fps in everything. I just got a Ryzen 9 5900x but its definitely being bottlenecked by my 3060ti.
@@just_tom00 I ended up cancelling my order lol i heard the 79xtx is coming back in stock next month and there will be A LOT available so i’m taking my chances. I spent $820 total after taxes and shipping so at that point for $200 more I could be getting 30-40% more performance. And AMD have a reputation for aging like fine wine with driver support so I know the 7900xtx hasn’t reached its full potential yet! But if you do get a 6950, i’ve looked up countless gameplay vids of it paired with the 5900x and you’ll easily hold over 60 at 1440p no matter what you play. Depending on the game, that combo averages around 100-170fps ez. Games like Valorant and R6 Seige do over 250< ez. Triple As like God of War and Cyberpunk do around 80-100fps max settings which is pretty dam good. Single player games only need a smooth 60 anyways so you get to max out the eye candy
So AMD knowing this was coming was the reason they limited the OC potential of 6900xt memory. About 3 weeks ago the Sapphire Toxic 6900xt could be had for $925 (with promo code)
Only when you compare the $2200 for the 3090Ti, can you even think of it as “cheap”. In general though, it’s still a LOT of money for a GPU. Remember when top end cards were like $700?
Waiting for next generation but I'm fully expecting an increase in msrp across the board, be very surprised to see a 4080 for less than 900$. There are plenty of people now willing to pay these figures.
@@ertai222 CAD$ and USD$ are different currencies, it’s also difficult to find them at a thousand here in the uk it’s just in the opposite direction from yours because our GBP£ is worth more then USD$ same as how their USD$ is worth then your CAD$ If I were to localise the prices I’m sure we’d find them basically the same
I expect multi GPU will come back. This super high frequencies really put strain on power usage. We will probably see multi die GPUs with HBM, running at lower frequencies for efficiency. Or eventually stacked dies running a really low frequencies. We are still probably 7-8 years away from that, but after faster memories, 3d caches, there will be a brick wall of scaling
It makes no sense for GPU companies to do that. Just think what my options are if I want to upgrade my 3060, for example. With SLI or multi GPU, I get another 3060 or just another GPU. With no SLI or multi GPU option, I have to exchange the 3060 for a faster, more expensive GPU. One of these options represents more profit for a corporation, so that is the option that will most likely be deployed (there was no real reason to ditch SLI in the first place).
@Transistor Jump Sure there are. Plenty of reasons not to do it include: Less profit difficult to implement for tech that affects only a small subset of gamers Reasons to do raytracing: profit Reasons not to do it: difficult to implement for tech that affects only a small subset of gamers
I find it somewhat strange that the 6950 XT seems to be the only card in this refresh that provides a near-zero change in value instead of being worse than the model it's replacing. The 6750 and 6650 models both seem to be more expensive than expected for the performance they're offering from what I've seen so far. Excellent piece as always, can't wait for the rest of your coverage!
i dont think the 6750xt will turn out well. i mean at least they turned it into a 3 fan version. amd has been a joke this gen rx6400 and rx6500xt unnecessary cards. the rtx3050 wins the rx6600 too expensive and only 8 lanes pcie 4, worse than a 3060 rx6600xt too expenisve and only 8 lanes picie 4, between 3060ti and 3060 performance rx6700xt too expenisve and performance worse than 3060ti rx6800 performance like 3070ti, is like the only viable choice, but their refernce cooling is bad.
@@Praxss Yup. Desktop Alchemist will be China OEM exclusive. " We will release our entry-level Intel Arc A-series products for desktops (A3) first in China through system builders and OEMs in Q2. Etail and retail component sales will follow shortly in China as well. Proximity to board components and strong demand for entry-level discrete products makes this a natural place to start. Our next step will be to scale these products globally. Roll-out of Intel Arc A5 and A7 desktop cards will start worldwide with OEMs and system integrators later this summer, followed by component sales in worldwide channels."
I love that Gamers Nexus and other UA-camrs now think 3080 and 6800 XT for $900 is the right price. We have all accepted these new prices forgetting that top cards used to sell for $450, and that was only a few years ago. And we all know AMD and NVIdia will hike up the MSRP again this year, so what is the price of the 7800 XT and 4080 will be? $1100?
so me getting a saphire red devil 6950xt for 780 was a good deal. phew. drove 8 hours to a micro center to get a 3080. they had sold out and only had 4080/4090 and 3060s but they also had the 6950 xt's did some quick research and went with it and am happy so far
same. purchased the 6950xt red devil from Amazon for 785. Awesome price considering where they were priced at not very long ago. I didn't want to spend the extra $300 for the 7900xt. I game at 1440p so the 6950xt RD is plenty..considering I was rocking the evga 1080ti FTW3 hybrid for the last few years :)
I miss the days when the top end card was under 700
my 5700xt was only $400 new
@@leocastro2732 lol the 5700xt was not a top end card tho
Ah yes, the days before 2 super inflation events in modern history.
@@aquapendulum the left is ruining the economy. They just keep printing money, almost like they believe you can fix inflation with more inflation.
@@aquapendulum Ryzen 1600 - 219$ / Ryzen 5600 - 199$.
You can stick your inflation argument in your ass, the current GPU prices have nothing to do with inflation at all - that's part of the problem, but not the only one.
This massive price hike for minimal gain is worrisome for next gen graphics. It's almost like they're greasing us up for another massive price hike.
"almost like"
7900XT will certainly be at 1500...for the reference model, if there is one.
Inflation is real man, even worse overseas. The Next Gen of components will be significantly more expensive. IF diesel continues to go up, I could only imagine how bad it will be.
@@lamikal2515 I was being sarcastic...
The top of the line freak chips always cost a premium. They're for financially irresponsible people.
Most of the cost isn't because of the silicon, it's because these cards produce tons of heat and need massive heat blocks to cool them
6700XT is probably more my speed. It has ceased to surprise me at this point that everything top end is minimal gains for maximal money and power.
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especially now that there's a 6750XT refresh, the 6700XT started to drop in price, which is making it REALLY viable
I see at microcenter the 6750xt is $50 more, at least when comparing the red devil cards at $560 and $610, there is an asus 6750xt for $580 too
*Edit I see the 6700xt red devil has dropped to $540, so $70 difference now
That is perfectly normal and it's the case in every market and industry.
Got a 6700 myself, it'd a really nice card. And especialy notable with current rising electricity prices, it is really power efficient for what it delivers.
Only thing to note is that for some reason a lot of board partners and amd themselves set the fan curves really low, so if you get one make sure to check that. No reason to let the card go to 90+ degrees C on the hotspot while fans are capped at 60% RPM after all.
The difference a year makes. I've seen some partner cards and even AMD's founders cards at $650 before taxes as of April 2023. It's a pretty good time as of this writing to buy PC parts at reasonable prices.
A few months ago I got the reference 6950xt for $650. Then I found an open box waterblock from Microcenter, so now it's water cooled
Just picked up a 6950xt for 450 lol
This cards currently on sale for under 600. Now it makes sense! Even against the 4000 series cards & 7000 series cards
i think its the perfect price performance ratio in this price region and with this performance... i got this card and i am really happy with this card... i am sure that you can play future games pretty well with well optimized fsr, resolution scaling (such a good feature) and dialing back settings that you wont see while normal gaming... but with this pure power this card has, it will hold up a few years im sure about that... look at 1080 ti...
You need to do the Dawid voice for Linode ads.
I wonder if there will be a fundamental shift in GPU architecture. The way it’s going, we’re probably going to have 8 slot cards by the end of the decade
the gpu IS the motherboard shift. :)
It's not worrying me at all. RDNA 3 is going to be fine in terms of power efficency. The reason this is inefficient is that it's essentially just an OOTB Oc'ed 6900XT with better memory. Don't let this reflect on the potential performance of cards with a radically different architecture.
Shit's worrying, seems like every next generation of GPUs consume more power and cost more. The system as a whole cost more and consume more power. If you are not rich af frankly you should be worried.
I think at some point the market is going to shift more towards streaming games, where the game is rendered in a data center and streamed to you as real-time video. Xbox Game Pass Ultimate already let's you stream many games and the performance is surprisingly acceptable (I tried Forza Horizon 4 and it was fine... I have a 1 gigabit connection tho).
Its only because the cheapest way to improve performance is to overclock the old stuff you already have.
Why waste all that Research money building a better product or paying extra money to tsmc for better manufacturing when you can just slap a bigger cooler on and call it a day
Eleven months later, it's half price and competing favorably with the RTX 4070. But think about that, HALF PRICE.
Indeed, it was the right time to buy 😉
i think the 6950xt is stronger than the 4070 except maybe in RT and its comparable more with the 4070 ti except the 6950xt consumes more power
@@en4bl3 6950 xt is stronger, 4070 more efficient
@@Suilujz yeah and it will be stronger than the 4070 ti in the future bc of that extra 4gb vram
@@Suilujz I think VRAM's gonna make the 6950XT the winner in the long run.
It's times like these (minimal performance upgrades at a steep price) that really makes me appreciate I was able to upgrade my 1070 to a 3070 for $500.
Lucky. I'm sitting here praying my 1070 doesn't give out before things get much better.
I did the same going from 1080 to 3070ti
Luckily, you can kinda do the same with the 6700XT now. It's a solid pickup now. Next gen is gonna be more expensive than it's worth.
I think the sweet spot is still the 3060ti but ended with a 3080FE
3070 for 500 was a great value. Shame that didn’t last long.
A year later and you can get the rx 6950 xt for 599.00 over the 529.99 for the 6800xt, that is 10% more for 70$. It is also way cheaper than a rtx 3080 at around 1,000 and a 3080ti around 1200 and rtx 3090 is 1500 and up and rtx 3090 ti starts around 1800. If your watching this in late 2023 the rx 6950 is the best GPU value for performance hands down. Thing is a beast at an awesome price!
Was in the market for a 7000 or 40 series card. Just bought a red devil 6950XT new for $780. you cannot beat that price per performance vs the price point of these scalped prices.
Just bought one too, now under £600. Great card for the price.
Same waited for 7700 xt but when I saw they might delay beyond july I got a asrock 6950 xt for 720 euro
Just picked up a msi gaming x trio 6950xt for 400 bucks used. Still in amazing condition and all original parts and box no dust
I just got mine. Thank to AMD for lowering the price. Maybe come back and review this for 2023.
Just picked up the Asrock OC edition for 750, glad these cards are now more of a value
Undervolt it too so it has reasonable running costs.
Looking forward to the new generation of graficscards I think it will be interesting for the consumer to rank the cards by efficiency like fps per watts. Because looking at 600 Watt "tdp" high end cards the powercost will be a hugh point to consider if the card allone can cost you like 200 bucks a year more than a rtx 2000 series card in power consumption. I would love to see new charts with the upcoming generations. I will even help you with the "classification" if you want
Steve did some of this 'cost of owning/running' analysis back in the Vega Frontier Edition era
Inflation be like that
@@chicken29843 if you can spare the money from a month salary than yes you will not care for the extra energy cost. But if you save up for a year or two to build a new high end pc than you care about the extra cost and not everybody knows enough about that to calculate the hugh power consumtion into it. And it makes a enormous difference if only 1 part of a future pc takes up the power of what a whole system needs today. I hope that the trend will go to more efficient system components than just in more energy consumtion for more fps. But with the arcitecture scraping on the physicly possible with how small the transistors are getting I do not much hope for that.
Almost all cards today are pushed to run where they are not so efficient to get the last 10-15% performance out of the card. You can on all cards run custom under volt curve and tweaked clock rates to loose 6-10% performance but save up to ~100 watts of power. You can choose power draw vs performance.
@@chicken29843 you know in germany 1 kWh costs 30 cents and the prices will rise like mad in the comming years so it is a pretty big deal if a systems needs like 900-1000 watts instead of 500 Watts. All I am saying is that from a pc tech "teaching" perspective where I see gamers nexus it should be thought about a new aditional perspective to categorize the upcoming cards this way too.
Just picked up an RX 6950 XT for $569 on sale at Newegg. Looks like a steal; finally gonna be able to push my 1440p/144 hz monitor; super excited coming from a 2070.
same, but i come from an rx 6700 xt
Which brand??
Personally I love the giant coolers, it's the high tdp and higher prices I'm not happy with.
The giant cooler is to account for the higher TBP
@@Tallnerdyguy thanks captain obvious
I got a 6950xt xfx Merc for $669 last week new from B & H 😊❤ no regrets
Same here, I went from GTX 1050 to xfx rx 6950 xt
You know what the best thing about this card is? Sapphire had it in them to put a proper 3-slot PCIe bracket on the back of the card. Putting a 2-slot bracket on a 4-slot card like a lot of vendors did with the RTX 3090 Ti is just ridiculous. They probably do it for compatibility, but cases that small probably won't fit a 4-slot card no matter the size of the bracket, so again, I'm happy to see it done right here. Excellent review, as always!
I think there are pros and cons to this. There are several SFF cases that can fit large 3-slot cards, but only have 2 slot covers at the back of the case since they were only designed for mITX motherboards. Sometimes, there is room for a 3-slot bracket to overhang, sometimes not (case edges, retention mechanisms, etc).
The best solution would be to include an interchangeable slot cover for the video card, so users who can't fit a 3-slot retention bracket into their case can swap it out for a 2-slot option.
@@Vasharan Perhaps this is true for the Sapphire card, but when it comes to say the EVGA RTX 3090 Ti FTW3 I would disagree seeing as that is a 4-slot card. Even though it has a 2-slot bracket, I do not know of any SFF cases that would fit that kind of card, and even if there were some, they would be bought by such a small minority that it would be much more beneficial to just put a 4-slot bracket on it in the first place. Just my opinion though.
The 6950XT is only $699 now and well in stock, it's 3090Ti level performance
January 2020: Bored, surfing around, and I stumble to NewEgg. They were having a clearance sale, which included a Sapphire RX 580 Pulse for ~$100. I'm a 1080p gamer, but my trusty Sapphire R7 360 was getting a bit creaky, so I pulled the trigger. I wish every impulse buy was that prescient. 😳😅 Anyway, this being my third consecutive Sapphire, they make a good card. The oldest is a Radeon 4850 from ~2008 that still chugs along (though not useful for much beyond troubleshooting). Looking forward to the teardown of this 6950. 👍️
My first expensive gpu was a Sapphire 4850. Dead on arrival. Returned it for a Sapphire 4870. It broke 1 year after warranty expiration (3 years old). Never trusted Sapphire and amd again since then. A couple months ago I started thinking of buying an amd card again. And Sapphire is a potential brand. I might risk it.
@@Mandrag0ras Sorry to hear that. I think Steve's posted his teardown of this one.
Sapphire and HIS were always the go-to ATI/AMD offerings for me.
This is honestly worrying for next gen gpu's. I think there should be more of a power draw to performance standard. Especially in the state of the world we live in currently.
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Agreed. Nvidia is busy running off the edge of the cliff when it comes to efficiency and Lovelace is apparently much, much worse than Ampere. Here's hoping that AMDs midrange offerings will still have good efficiency.
I'm sitting here in the UK with a power hungry 980Ti that's really showing it's age, we've just had a 50% price increase on electricity bills, we know we're getting another 30-50% increase in October, and I'm getting used to the idea that my next GPU purchase will be a 4050, or whatever comes out eventually in that power consumption class.
Also in the UK - I am very happy with a RTX 2060 KO - the office is cooler
Trying to manage the electricity consumption down to that of an average house . . .
@@LurkingLarper According to the predictions I've seen, even Lovelace will still improve performance per watt, despite how power hungry the top SKUs will be.
When you need a full review of everything, this guy is your guy. Wow just everything I needed to know in one video. Great work bro
In the UK a Powercolor Red devil 6950xt is about £50 more than a 6900xt and if i was in the market for a card of this level i think the extra £50 is worth it. it seems to be the same throughout the whole stack yes the MSRP are higher but the street price is about the same.
Wouldn't it be a "Powercolour" in the UK?
Edit: I'm aware that brand names often aren't localized, it's just a joke.
yeah, 50 is definitely worth it. probably anything under a 100 buck difference
@@VitalVampyr no, because it's the name of a company, and those don't change.
@@VitalVampyr it's name is Powercolor. a Chinese company. It's a broken English but there are worse examples
Yeah and the 6900xt is what, 1.5-2 years old? It may have been worth 1k 2 years ago but it isn't now.
With these cards consuming so much energy I'm wondering whether there shouldn't be some sort of requirement that they show the same kind of 'estimated annual consumption' labels like we see for other major power consuming appliances and light bulbs. The power consumption figures on these cards put them square in the middle of the range for a full size refrigerator.
Refrigerators are running 24/7. Gaming is not. Very difficult to estimate cost when you don't have an amount of time and game playing. Too many variables that aren't steady
@@Tallnerdyguy Yes but these cards might run 24/7 in mining operations, video production or editing
Now that's an idea that seems obvious but nobody seems to have really proposed. Perhaps that might affect customer choice seeing a big D on the ENERG sticker that comes on the box.
@@khaledm.1476 Forcing them to be so labelled for mining would be bizarre for various reasons, while for production workloads that would just be saying they are somehow pro cards, which is not the marketing angle either company prefers. Movie studios use RTX 8000s, not gamer cards, and they don't run 24/7 (renderfarms are far more relevant in that regard). As the other poster said, there is no consistent usage for these devices, any labels would have to caveat their rating by correlating it with a particular usage; it is not useful information, people who buy these products don't read such labels and nor are they typically capable of making productive use of it in a viable manner. You must also remember that any such legal enforcement would require structures of creation, management, imposition and enforcement that would therefore itself consume resources via greater state spending (offices & buildings needed for relevant staff, paperwork, computers, databases, etc.) TCO is a vital consideration here, yet people tend to ignore the 'overhead' of any supposed eco mandate; expanding the size of the state to run such a thing just makes matters worse, it consumes more resources in the process overall, not less.
I have a 1080 Ti in an oc'd 2700K setup, it's a power hungry machine in many ways, but I generally have little time to use it (and when I do it's not for long) so the running cost is minimal, doubly so the fact that the games I play easily max out at the 1080p TV's 60Hz, leaving the GPU running far below its max rating. In other words, just because a GPU has a particular max power consumption, that doesn't mean someone using it will typically or even ever see that usage in practice. It depends on the games they play, the resolution, settings, whether they run typical 60Hz locked or use a high refresh display, etc. Worth noting here that the emergence of variable refresh & syncing technologies along with high refresh displays has vastly increased the potential max power draw of PCs, because in the past it just didn't matter if one was achieving silly fps numbers, one would just lock it to 60Hz and leave it at that (I stil do), and such systems when running so fast also drive the CPU, RAM, etc. harder aswell (how convenient that via physiological changes those who move to high refresh displays cannot go back, they can't undo their switch to what is an inherantly higher resource consuming means of playing games). I'm moving the GPU shortly to a 5600X setup which will cut the rest of the system draw in half and collapse the idle draw aswell, then I will tailor UV/UC profiles for each game; keep the 1080 Ti going for as long as possible is far 'greener' than buying any replacement GPU (same applies to cars and most other products, but the encouraged norm is to replace, to throw away the old, rather than make do and mend). There are other ways of dealing with power consumption issues.
Lastly, and to make matters worse IRL, there is the errant assumption that if people save money via lower power consumption it is therefore greener. This is almost always false, because the vast majority of such people then spend that saved money on *more* resource consumption, ie. they buy other stuff; they don't save the money, especially during times of high inflation, and it's virtually impossible for one to discern what any supposed savings are anyway because it's a comparatively small amount spread out over a long time period (some will start talking about smart meter systems and suchlike, but those devices consume resources to produce, so again the contradiction). Like I said to a friend who moaned about fuel price rises, all they need do to counter it is just not buy one of the bottles of alcoholic beverage they typically obtain every week, the saving would negate many weeks of fuel price hikes.
This is why almost all eco programmes, especially those run by state agencies, actually result in more resource consumption and more pollution, because their claimed success is generally measured by how much money they save, ignoring the fact that said money is then spent on further resource usage. Who in these comments talking about power draw and electricity prices does not on a regular basis buy things they don't need? To be genuinely green, all one need do is just not buy stuff that isn't necessary (something govts don't want people to do because mass spending sustains the state via tax take, without it many nations would have a liquidity crisis and SME debt collapse), but that's very hard for people to resist in these wasteful times. In the case of state programmes, monetary savings ought to result in a reduction of the size of govt, if such savings show that relevant structures have become larger than necessary, but that never happens, govt always expands. It's a relevant indicator that the public is now referred to as "consumers" as opposed to just potential buyers.
These issues are complex and interwoven, distorted by political spin to obtain votes, exploited by companies for marketing, misunderstood by the public because humans are rotten at understanding risk, probabilities and big picture thinking. People will sit in a 4x4 in a queue at a recycling depot with the engine running just to drop off a single bag of plastic bits (genuine example, quote from a site manager).
Other factors such as the appearance of being green in whatever manner having implications for a person's social standing (virtue signalling) make all of this even worse, eg. people who care about validation from strangers via social media, yet they'll spend thousands each year on makeup or other stuff they don't need. They buy the next shiney thing because if they keep using the old but perfectly functional thing they think they will look bad within their social circles. The nature of high end PC tech has become no less guilty of promoting such social pressures, but in the end it's the choie of the potential buyer whether to succumb to them; alas most people find it difficult to defer gratification, and in hard times it's quite understandable many will buy a new thing because they need the emotional uplift, as all around them everything else seems to be going down the crapper.
@@mapesdhs597 lmao in a conversation about video cards right wingers will somehow find a way to complain about virtue signaling and women buying makeup.
I generally favor the budget versions of a gen of GPUs cuz... I'm usually on a budget. But now I'm much more feeling the power draw of high end GPUs are just not worth it- and not just bcuz of cost.
Yeah it's a shame what are they thinking more fps but waste lot of energy sorry not worth it
@Gerardo Gonzalez tech new gpu are a little bit stronger than 1080 -1080ti.... Yes consomme a lot more it's a waste. Specially when you go to the 6900xt 3090.... Yes they are more powerful but if you don't have some kind of limit
You card would be 2000$ and it will cost you a lot ok electricity so yeah not worth it. They can do better and they already proven than they can. Exemple 3060ti comsumption
@Gerardo Gonzalez ever heard of efficiency
Can pick these up for £600 in the UK now, making them a very affordable 1440p and even 4k gaming GPU
i can really recommend 4k gaming and this card provides good graphics!!!! i think this card will be good for 1 or 2 years atleast in 4k
If you're interested in gaming only, they're great. For AI softwares, and other productivity softwares, only choose Nvidia
@@Simsonlover222 yeah best to stick to 1080p or 1440p for competative gaming tho, every frame counts 😅
Just ordered this for $600. Arrives tomorrow. The say I pay over a grand for a GPU is the day Im officially insane. To hell with that. If im a year behind. Oh well
I already have been waiting for over a year to buy a new card because of the crazy prices, now I will continue to wait until the 7000 series comes out. Either it will be a much better experience or at least it might lead to 6000 series cards drop in price. They are still 30% or more over MSRP in GER for the most time, although they made a few sensational "normal" prices to lure people in
Absolutely wait for RDNA 3. It's going to be a beast.
Wait for all eternity lol
and after the 7000 series wait for the 8000. Just say you broke dude.
@@lovelessclips433 pfftt 9000 is where it'll be at bro
@@afriendofafriend5766 Assuming there will be sufficient quantity and not outrageously overpriced. You can get a 6900 XT now for less than $900 which is overpowered for what most casual gamers need.
Right now you can get the tier just below this at $670 you can get a Sapphire Nitro + 6950 xt I almost went nVidia but their prices are still inflated compared to the 6k series and have much less VRam
u can get the xfx speedster 6950xt for 649$ rn and its half the price of a 3090 and gets like 20-30 fps more than it
@@en4bl3 Real FPS yes. Ngreedia always get more Fake FPS though lul.
I just decided to buy a 6950xt and they seem quite affordable at $700 atm. Sapphire and xfx on new egg and only xfx on Amazon. A 7900xt isn't bad atm but still a hard $150 more to cough up for not crazy gains. The Nvidia 3080s, 3090s and 4070+ are all outrageously priced. Maybe it might be worth resisting the card now that the cost is so low and at such a difference than the others. In your 7900xt video vs I think the 4090 it was beaten but looked pretty respectable. Overall it's gonna be a crazy boost going from my 2060 super which crazily enough are going used for $300 on eBay so that will ease that sudden big hole in my pocket. Pretty stoked. I have only really been playing games to record recently and although I only have a 1080p monitor, for the moment, it will be cool to scale up the game and record at 1440+ for better videos on obs and support the monitor upgrade whenever I finally give in.
Agreed, just picked up my 6950xt sapphire on Amazon for $650, it's dope.
I ended up getting the ASRock OC Formula one. Thing slaps. I don't play a crazy amount of new games I mostly got it so I can record and stream at 4k and the encoder is amazing. I test streamed Mount & Blade Bannerlord maxed at 4k 51mbps on YT with AMDs encoder and god damn watching it back looked exactly like I was playing it. I played Darktide with it but I don't think it's a good test cause folks on Steam have been saying in the latest patch that the performance has been getting worse with every patch. I don't think it can be maxed at 4k and I think I had to be at 1080p to have maxed setting with raytracing on but I didnt really get it for the raytracing anyways, although that raytraced Portal remake or whatever looked great. Might try that. Other than the $700 hole in the pocket definitely worth it, which just reminded me I need to sell the 2060 still...
Not seeing a 6850xt begins to make "sense" when you realize they would have had to price a Navi 21 chip at about $800, and why do that when you can make $1200 off it as a 6950 xt instead
Was planning to buy a 6800 XT but couldn't find one at a decent price, so I got a 6950 XT for $475. Pretty happy with that.
Yeah thats 3rd of the price for a high end gpu. I bought mine new from best buy for $650, about half the price
I‘d be interested in seeing the difference between the 6900 XT and the 6950 Xt when both are wattage and voltage unlocked through MPT. Compared to the first leaked TimeSpy Scores they seem to be almost identical.
That's is exactly what im thinking and it's why I'm happy I waited for 6900xt to sell at msrp. 899 is a decent price considered
Why do you care that much about power when you are buying a multi thousand dollar PC, that's like buying a ferrari and complaining about it taking too much gas
sooo.... 6900xtu ?
I don't really know whether the 6950XT uses the XTX or the XTXH die (latter is higher leakage, higher clocking, but both are the same hardware), but if it's the former, their cores should pretty much perform identically on average, accounting for silicon lottery and such. If it's the latter, the 6950XT should consistently clock higher than the 6900XT. Regardless, the one thing the 6900XT can't match it in is memory. The best memory overclocking 6900XTs barely even reach 2250MHz, which is the stock speed for the 6950XT. If we assume that a 6950XT's memory can overclock about as much, then we're talking about 2400MHz memory, or about 19.2Gbps. That's a hefty increase and should account for quite a bit of performance difference. Now, if it's also an XTXH die, the combined added overclocking potential should be quite a big one. But even so, it's only for benchmarking and maybe some 4K games. For normal use, the differences will be negligible, as they already are when you go with anything above a 6800XT/3080.
ua-cam.com/video/XkKeZ7EAr_o/v-deo.html Finally it's here
Geez, to think it was just a few years ago you could build a solid 1080p 60 rig for
Yeah, that's over. When we could build one of best, if not the best pc for $1500
I just bought a brand new 6950xt from BH today for $699 USD. 2/21/23. I feel like I got a good deal
Definitely a “good” deal since they’ve made us change our definition of good 😂
@@sidneydeane1620 I know it's still too much, but it's basically at 3080 MSRP now and you get 3090 (rasterized) performance.
Also it's actually in stock.
Yes this level of performance should be cheaper after 2 years but it looks like better value compared the (currently released) new lineup.
i cant wait to test this baby out perhaps right after New Year's eve (upgrading from a 2080 ti , & 1st time using amd) bought it for $800 on amazon. i heard of many complains & returns of the rx 7900 xtx which if you're lucky , you ll find one for $1000, I didnt feel like spending much more $$$ 7 the reviews of this card are pretty positive. I was just looking for a card that could do 4k @ 60 fps with ultra settings minimum and this card does all that without breaking my wallet as much lol .
I'd rather take 6900 XT at 900$ thank you very much
Exactly what i did 3 weeks ago
Thats right! Im going for XFX 6900xt the Black one model too: )
Would you guys prefer the 6900 XT over the Rtx 3080 ?
@@Skyabovetheground 10gb model yes
12gb model... probably not
Just got that brand new Sapphire Nitro+ Pure RX 6950 XT for 800 USD.
I’m upgrading to this next week from 980ti
The mind boggles me completely that we're living on a planet where expecting $1250 for a graphics card is even acceptable. Over twenty years ago when 3D graphics was in its infancy I'd have killed for something with this cards capability, but looking at the quality of games released today, honestly its not worth it in any sense of the word. God god, the voodoo2 was the last card I bought that offered value for money....
just get a console since most games are made for them then ported.
problem solved, i honestly didn't think i would become a "exclusive" console gamer again since the 90's but prices are WAY out of whack. So are the prices of games & the quality of them being released
The existence of expensive GPU's doesn't hurt anyone getting into PC games, no game requires anything near this powerful. I'm still on my RX570 and doing just fine. More options is a good thing, if you don't think the card provides enough value then there's an easy solution - don't buy them. I love that there are options for when I decide to splurge on a hobby, if they sold something twice as fast but 4 times expensive I don't know why we should decry its existence. If that's how people want to spend their money, why not? It's way more interesting to me than other luxury items like cars or watches.
Outside of the crypto price hikes, the GPU market has been doing fine, with a great increase in value (~double Pascal) for your money. You'll see even when Intel enters, they won't radically change the scene because producing GPU's (include R&D) is not cheap.
I do agree with games being much worse nowadays, but that's a matter of taste, and it seems there's more than enough people happy with consuming whatever crap is being put out today.
Ok Doomer
@@cordlc i completely agree, just like when you buy a car, the great majority of the people will never need a 90,000 dollar Ford F450, but the option is there if you have cash laying around. for the majority of the people, they still have many options. a Toyota Prius can pretty much satisfy 95% of a person's daily needs.
3090's and the and 6900xt and 6950xt aren't gaming cards. They're workstation cards
"This one is massive. It's about 7 cm deep, or something like 2.8 inches or so." - Gamers Nexus, 2022
Added to my Tinder profile. Certified massive.
These new cards make my R9 390 look like it’s sipping electricity.
Nice and clean shape. Radeon 6800XT cost about 5200zł in Poland - its 1215 USD. I dont know anything about price drops, at least in Poland.
licząc podatki i cło powinno się przeliczać 5zł = 1$, czyli jak u nich rtx 3080 kosztuje 900$ to na nasze powinno być 4500zł i faktycznie da się za podobną cenę u nas kupić 3080
It's only in the U.S.
In Indonesia, the price is rising instead.
@@ninja8gazelo ja widzę NOWY Gigabyte eagle za 5000 z hakiem. Obserwuję Ceneo niemal codziennie
i still say that compaired to a 3090ti this card is a no brainer. its $800 cheaper. and if your just gaming or gaming and streaming with light editing. you can spend that extra $800 on an amazing 4k monitor/ high refresh rate tv
Or you can buy a 3080/6800 and spend that extra 1250 dollars on a monitor and an XLR microphone and you won't notice the difference. This card seems to just be the "buy me instead of a 3090" response from AMD, but there was no reason to buy a 3090 to begin with, so there's no reason to buy this thing either.
I gotta say, I'm still happy with my second hand gtx 1080 I got for 450 in around 2018 during the last mining crash.
For 1440p it's no longer the max every setting card it was for me when I got it but it's certainly letting me bide my time and wait for the next good deal on cards
4000 series waiting here, got a gtx 1080ti as well
ua-cam.com/video/XkKeZ7EAr_o/v-deo.html Finally it's here
bought 2 (evga-ftw3/asus-oc) 1080Ti for 330.- Euro each when the 3080 went on sale.
best deal ever. lol. I don't even think I will ever upgrade unless the cards die.
1080p gaming with no RTX is good enough for me.
been running my 1080 FTW since release... still works just fine and running like a champ for my needs. only pain is that nvidia removed the LED control from its GeForce experience and have to use a separate app to turn the LEDs off after every driver update. Never been a fan of rgb, but cannot bring myself to take this apart to unplug the lights for fear i might break something and pay crazy prices to replace it.
@@Aaron14LifeZZZ Doing the same, although I'm upgrading from a 980ti so the wait has become excruciating
I just want to mention that I appreciate the highlights on the graphs of the relevant information as you are talking through it.
A year later things have changed a lot. 3080 costs at least $900 with only 10 GB of VRAM (won't even completely render some games now) or over $1000 for 12 GB, 6950 XT is only $600 and performs far better at 1440p and significantly better at 4K and has 16 GB of VRAM. RX 6800 is ~$450, so $150 less, but gets 20 FPS less at 1440p, so the difference in price seems reasonable. The price used to be a lot higher. I also notice he was choosing Sapphire, one of the most expensive variants of the 6950 XT.
I wish we could see VR performance benchmarks for these high end cards. Racing or flying sims in VR can make even a 3090Ti feel like not enough.
Nobody cares about VR brah
@@drunkhusband6257 Yeah, the people who haven't tried it.
the prize now is less than 700$, crazy!
Less than $600*
Sorry Linus, I love you, but my heart belongs to Steve and the GN Team.
Linus is a sell out. all their crap is sponsor by intel. Such sell out that they are. Plus they don't give you any details anymore on their testing system. You will get more details on Linus house than a PC that viewers want to see.
I bought a Red Devil Ultimate 6900XT a few months ago and noticed it was running very hot. At stock it was over 80C and thermal throttling at 110C junction, but still boosting to 2.4GHz. I was unable to tell if this was normal boosting behavior or too hot through googling the problem, because it was within spec. An XTXH die should just boost until it runs out of power, thermals, or frequency. I undervolted it and adjusted the fan curves. Now it's running at 70C/90C at 251W.
I found out very quickly the blase attitude towards reviews while GPUs were difficult to buy translated into not very much information being available for these cards once they became available. I'm only considering, just now, after your review of a completely different 520mm2 Navi die card, that maybe I should look into RMAing my card because it's too hot.
I feel like a large part of journalistic integrity was missed when review content was pushed to the wayside even though those reviews would have been just as useful to the people considering buying cards or who actually bought them, even months down the line. It feels like reviews are not being done to be useful to the people in the market for the product, since they were cut when they were no longer entertaining to a larger, immediate audience.
I understand from a business perspective but you do not have any reviews of a 6900XT board partner card. This is currently the closest thing on your channel to one.
I m totally agree with you for some months i take so long Time to chose a 6900xt custom model and i dont find anything liké in this vidéo. It gives so Many différent customs designs and for thèse prices rangés thé customer want thé best product. A lot of people forget that this IS a lot of money and for this amount its really sad toi receive a Bad product. Personnally i bought thé nitro+ from sapphire and its running very well at the moment
I appreciate these cards launching because it forced the rest of the cards down where they belong
Rx 6700xts wouldn’t touch below 550$ on the 9th
On the 10th
My buddy picked up one for 470$
And that goes for the Rx 6800 and 6800xt as well
No more 1000$ Rx 6800s
They are where they should be now
That is worth the launch by itself
whats the best gpu for wow,apex,cod,destiny atm, in your opinion? max id wanna spend is like 600?
One thing to definitely consider with GPUs like the 6950XT is that these GPUs aren't even just the cost of the card. Even for powerful rigs, you might be looking at changing the power supply as well. This means buying one of these almost-certainly means spending on a new PSU and the new GPU, which sure that's not a huge deal if you can afford that but it is something worth noting. It's a hidden cost of power efficiency (or lack thereof in this case).
It boggles my mind that we're seeing huge price hikes across the board, for worse performance per dollar *and* worse performance per watt. It's absolutely doable to maintain an efficiency level even at higher performance levels, but lately it feels like no one seems to care at all. Especially in "second-world" countries where electricity bills are usually sky-high, performance per watt can be a massive deal. Here's hoping the Intel dGPUs will offer something of a counterpoint to this current situation, but who knows.
This is yet another reason why I am increasingly excited for things like the Steam Deck, because it's effectively incentivizing game developers to optimize their machines for both linux and lower-spec hardware respectively, making the utilization of very power-efficient lower-performance GPUs like the 1650 an increasingly-viable option. As someone who runs a very power-inefficient GTX 780Ti Classified, I could not be happier with more and more games transitioning away from needing DirectX12 and towards needing a modern Vulcan standard, something a lot of older GPUs still have.
Accessibility in this industry isn't something that I feel "has to be catered towards at all costs", but it is something that I feel is sorely lacking. Developers at this point would rather just get something out the door in the cheapest way possible rather than optimize for lower-spec PCs, and why wouldn't they. Statistically-speaking, those with the money to buy games probably have the money for capable machines, so why not target the hardware that's in the largest percentage of your customer base. There hasn't been a large volume of viable customers on limited hardware, until now. Funny that the Steam Deck is simultaneously proving the ability to have a great experience at low-power while the mainstream market continues to throw efficiency by the wayside in exchange for that extra 5%. This has been a trend accelerated thanks to current circumstances, but it is a trend that started before this as well. AMD and Nvidia are still fully-capable of producing power-efficient products.
@@davestephens3246 I didn't say cards like this shouldn't exist. I was making the point that power draw can and does play a factor into purchase decision. Even at the higher-end, I'm sure there are a not-insignificant amount of people who would pick the GPU that wouldn't require them also buying a new power supply, given the choice between two cards of very similar performance (which is what we are experiencing now). One related, but not the same, additional variable that's been thrown in is how many of the Nvidia cards are tripping OCP on a lot of otherwise good power supplies, which could also play into the argument of "buy a GPU, or buy a GPU + PSU".
I am well aware that this isn't a massive deal. This is why I wasn't going on some kind of "keyboard warrior" rant, and instead constructed a thought-out statement. I think I made it pretty-clear in the statement that, though power efficiency is something I would like to see more interest in at the top-end, It's more something I was concerned about at the budget level. Either way, my original statement stands and I'm excited at the potential the Steam Deck has to change the gaming landscape for the better.
I like to watch the LTT video reviews first to get the sensationalist view followed by Gamers Nexus to bring me back down to earth. It takes twice as long that way but someone's gotta do it.
Also Linus said it was 1100 dollars which sounded like a much more compelling value than 1250 dollars.
Steve is what Anandtech used to be before Anand left to work for Apple. Technical and thorough (and posts consumer content more than once a quarter). Linus is the Top Gear/Grand Tour of the PC hobby. He's like a nerdy Jeremy Clarkson, albeit with less drinking and producer punching. Knows his stuff and you get a good overview with him, but it's still designed to be infotainment.
On the price, AMD's reference 6950 is apparently 1099 Us dollars. The price listed here from GN is for the Saphire partner card, and saphire tends to generaly be on the high end of prices.
Linus is meh and blah at the same time, he doesn’t really give you much to go by. I unsubscribed from him a long time ago
@@draperw86 me too
@@draperw86 me too. Their 3800X3D (review) seems like it was sponsor by intel. Such crappy sell out video. I unsubscribe and happy i did.
Just got mine for 500 bucks and I'm exited to Try it.
Just purchased this a couple days ago, 2 years after release at less than half the price. $549 is a pretty good value I think to max out an AM4 build.
This has changed 6950XTs are under 800 and cheaper than 3090s or 3080s
Also a LOT cheaper than 4080, 7900 XT & XTX
Also bought this after the prizedrop.
Got mine for 500.
@@Philosophe27 wait how? Did you bought it 2nd Hand? I'm not sure to pick it up for 950 new (europe) any help?
I bought this week on newegg a 6950xt for $699 I think one of the best cost per frame right now
We used to joke about high end gpus "in 5 years i would buy this lol" but right now even that is hard
I'm at "maybe in 5 years I'll think about buying another one but my warranty is 7 so that's still a maybe"
Sapphire cards (esp the nitro+ OC editions) from my limited experience are extremely good at maintaining low temps when the architecture has matured. Given the 6x50 series are using the same node, I don't think we will see any 6850s let alone 6850XTs (since the 7000 series are due to be released/announced around end of year or so) so curious to see how the 6750 XT performs. In terms pricing, to be honest I don't think we will see much drops any more given hardly anyone is gaming beyond 4K and not to mention 4K gaming is really not mainstream yet. We are going to be stuck with the current levels of pricing +/- 20% at most on the mid range until 1440p replaces 1080p and 4k replaces 1440p. But, with the cost of living going up globally that ain't happening anytime soon.
Well... I just bought a used one on eBay, the MSI version for $530, on 10/10/23. Best bang for the money for 1440p gaming
just picked up the rtx 3080 12gb, upgraded from an r9 390, built the new pc with a 12700k from 6500, so happy to finally have a pc that runs well. Spent that money I saved buying a 1440p msi ultrawide monitor, lets freaking go.
I just wonder at what price point does a 3080ti become a realistic rational choice vs the 3080
Ahhh telegram scam...
5 to 10 fps price increase
$750 - $800.
@@giglioflex really.. you can't even find a 3080 for that price
@@courtneylewis899 That does not change my answer. Not that I would personally pay that much for a 3080 Ti, way too much power consumption.
Is it wrong that I'm actually more excited about the fact that they are finally doing some kind of "box art" again? I feel like the last time we saw some good box art was back in the days of the VooDoo cards.
Ahh, the good old glory days of PC gaming. I remember buying a Voodoo 2, which thinking about it was the last time graphics cards offered any value for money whatsoever.
@@buggerlugz6753 Sadly, that's about how it feels.
the fact this is a 600$ gpu now lmfao
ikr? xD i got it for 720 used, but for 600 new, this is the best bang for buck 4k gaming gpu... i just love pc gaming... every game i throw at it, just runs in really really pleasant graphics... even older games... i started metro 2033 redux... i was so impressed by the graphics... it holds up so well and it makes old games more pleasant to play then ever before.. games from 2014 and older... no problem it will look nice
and newer games with these graphics power look just like "too good to be true"... feels like playing a high rendered screenshot xD
So glad my 1070 is still doing the job I need.
This man is looking after my money better then I do.
Card: launches
Me: SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
Steve: You don’t need it
Me: you right
I like that there are choices for high end products. Wasn’t that long ago the top end consisted of only one option, the $1200 rtx2080ti.
At least now there are lots of cards available that I am free to call Stupid because there are actually better value options that exist.
This gpu is stupid.
Its not only that but also the immense satisfaction you can feel when you buy the reasonable alternative for a lot less but almost the same performance. Positive feelings are priceless. 😌
Stupid yes. But it is still the most powerful commercially available GPU that works in Linux Workstations.
As NVidias proprietary drivers are a nightmare on linux. So, it's always good to see AMD almost match team green. Outside of production workflows, there really is no reason to buy this.
I agree completely, anyone considering throwing anything over 500 on a GPU must have a screw loose. Its just a shame there is no 2016 level half decent offering available new for 200.
@@robertkeaney9905 im not arguing its a bad performer. AMD has been able to put out amazing technology I feel is more sophisticated than current nvidia. What makes this stupid is seeing a 6900xt on sale in stock at newegg for $850 after rebate this morning
@@evers6214 Wait, RTX 6900's are down to 850??? Hell yeah.
Oh also um, point taken. I had no idea the price to performance gap was that big. My mind was still stuck on old 6900 prices.
I can't believe prices have changed so much so quickly.
Getting this now for 635$ upgrading from 980 TI.
upgraded my gtx 1080 ti. awesome 4k card
you got a 4k panel or tv? highly recommended with this card... you will be blown away
@@Simsonlover222 i have 8k dell monitor :D
@@cactuslietuva 8k? jesus xD what you do with 8k? xD
@@Simsonlover222 i watch anime
It's actually crazy that GPUs are actually getting buyable. Not only being in stock, but prices are almost acceptable. I could get a 3070 Ti at 840 Canadian, which is ~60$ higher than a direct conversion of the US MSRP... but PC components are just more expensive in Canada anyways, so it might actually be very close to MSRP for us (obviously that card was never sold at MSRP in Canada so who knows). Now just having more options is great.
ua-cam.com/video/XkKeZ7EAr_o/v-deo.html Finally it's here
Yeah i actually happened to find a 3080 ti at msrp not to long ago and it was literally within my first 2-4 hours of GPU shopping. Ive seen a bunch of others popping up for their original price as well but maybe that’s just to clear the stock before the 40 series comes out.
"acceptable"? speak for yourself.
wow bro. watch it you make get a disclocated disk if you bend any further.
ain't paying 1250 for that. take it easy it's only 8fps faster than the 6900.
I hate that my old pc broke 6 months ago and not now. had to pay 1400€ for rx6800xt
Now i could easily get one for less than 1000
I wonder if he used reBAR / SAM. I doubt it. This card performed much better in just about every review / comparison I've seen since this video.
Thanks for the GPU stock tip. Was able to order a 3080 yesterday for 879 after tax and shipping.
with nearly 4 slot cards cropping up, I wonder when we're just gonna start seeing tower coolers on cards. I've seen people post videos with them strapping hyper 212 evos and similar coolers to gpus and got amazing results lol
My sapphire toxic 6900xt has a 360mm rad and AIO pump....
Now THAT is enthusiast grade!!
Just picked one up new for €684 :D
Consoles are starting to look more and more appealing…
🤣😂
i just picked up a Red Devil 6950xt for 650 bucks and a water block for 90. I was gonna wait for the 7900xtx but i couldn't pass that deal
just so glad can get a GPU omg, finally i used to check jokingly but now finally can buy to near MSRP!
Got storage recently, to can fully deck out my PC and give it a nice long overdue upgrade!
$700 or so for these now where I live, it is starting to look more palatable...
I think maybe it's time to explore alternative cooling solutions AMD. These cards are at a premium price, so it would be nice to not have to try and shove an entire crt monitor in my case.
Not sure why they set fans so conservatively. Just makes them look bad imo. I typically set fans around 60 to 70 percent and do not think the noise is excessive. They are typically set much lower than that in the stock settings. I’ve also found it necessary to adjust fan curve and have a set fan speed starting a bit below the low temperatures one might be at when gaming. I found that the automatic adjusting of fan speeds during gaming caused stuttering and worsened performance.
Depends on the case to be honest. With a GIANT heatsink, higher fan speed is less needed. If the card isn't throttling due to temps, than the lower fan speed is a benefit for power consumption, noise, fan longevity.... getting to 75-80c is well within the expected thermal performance.
Well the initial fan ramp up shows that the card is actually designed for a less optimal environment than an open test bench. 3090Ti's easily hit 2500rpm in not truly airflow optimised cases and this gpu will too hit 2000rpm in most cases. AMD says GPU go boom at 110°C, clocks don't drop until the hot spot hits 100°C so Sapphire chose 95°C to keep the card as quiet as possible. And as we've seen with bascially all AMD TSMC 6/7nm based products, everything that is not three digits is generally just fine
With the size of these new cards why don't they make an aio liquid cooler right on the card. Someone should be able to figure out how to mount the block rad/pump straight to the card.
Just did the MSI Gaming X one for a friends build, at his budget and sitting in MicroCenter when the only other option for high end was the 4080, grabbing a 6950xt at the now $880 price point was a no brainer, would of looked at PowerColor's option at $785 if it was in stock.
Also that being said the fan curve on it is pretty bad like this one, just ramps up hard then down.
From the future. March 2023. 6950xt for 699.99. I think that might change the value proposition.
I'm so tempted rn.. lol
Mine is getting delivered today at that price, plus get 20% back with card I used at Best Buy. Made it a good enough deal to make the switch back from Nvidia first time in years! Ray tracing not worth the price of NVIDIA
@@sticksandstones3812 yeah the 3090 costs double the price of the 6950xt while getting lower fps except only in RT
$1,250 is insane. I just bought an MSI 6950XT for $850 so apparently the price has come down $400 in 6-7 months.
Yet another reason why buying at launch isn’t always the smartest play.
I just bought the exact same card as you - the price deflation in 7 months is absolutely bonkers. I also undervolt my 6950XT. So I've got a reasonable price and reasonable running costs. I was hoping RDNA3 was going to be better than it was so I jumped on 6950XT.
Yup I just got a Red Devil 6950xt for $780 on Amazon! Also got a 5800x3d for $399. Black Friday was a good time to build a pc this year.
@@_N4VE_ How has it been? been thinking about upgrading to the same one. I play in 1440p and wanna stay above 60fps in everything. I just got a Ryzen 9 5900x but its definitely being bottlenecked by my 3060ti.
@@just_tom00 I ended up cancelling my order lol i heard the 79xtx is coming back in stock next month and there will be A LOT available so i’m taking my chances. I spent $820 total after taxes and shipping so at that point for $200 more I could be getting 30-40% more performance. And AMD have a reputation for aging like fine wine with driver support so I know the 7900xtx hasn’t reached its full potential yet! But if you do get a 6950, i’ve looked up countless gameplay vids of it paired with the 5900x and you’ll easily hold over 60 at 1440p no matter what you play. Depending on the game, that combo averages around 100-170fps ez. Games like Valorant and R6 Seige do over 250< ez. Triple As like God of War and Cyberpunk do around 80-100fps max settings which is pretty dam good. Single player games only need a smooth 60 anyways so you get to max out the eye candy
Yes i just got the red devil for 784 on amazon. Patience pays off.
Which 3080 are you comparing to on the list, 10 GB or 12 GB?
10GB
@@raptor1672 Thanks
The tie joke, like the Four Seasons press conference and a goat in a hotel room, will never get old.
You know GN has been frothing at the mouth for days to release this review. We sure have been waiting for it to drop!
Imagine GPU MSRP prices 10 years from now.
You literally will have to sold your car for new gpu to buy at lunch dates. Mark my words. 😅
So AMD knowing this was coming was the reason they limited the OC potential of 6900xt memory. About 3 weeks ago the Sapphire Toxic 6900xt could be had for $925 (with promo code)
Gigabyte 6900XT going for $849 after rebate on Newegg.
Just got a 6950 for $750 which I thought was a good deal
I just purchased this card for $450 on FB marketplace. It's an insane deal for the performance
Managed to snag one from AMD's website this morning. Now I have to go power supply shopping..
Who ever thought $1250 for such a card is cheap?
Mommy Su.
I remember paying for my Sapphire 6700 XT Nitro+ last March for about 1400. I would love to have a 6950 for 1250... If it was actually at the price
Only when you compare the $2200 for the 3090Ti, can you even think of it as “cheap”. In general though, it’s still a LOT of money for a GPU. Remember when top end cards were like $700?
i saved up 700 for an entire gaming pc, now only a decent GPU for that price. Plus i'll have to lay an extra phase just for the pc in my house...
ua-cam.com/video/XkKeZ7EAr_o/v-deo.html Finally it's here
Waiting for next generation but I'm fully expecting an increase in msrp across the board, be very surprised to see a 4080 for less than 900$. There are plenty of people now willing to pay these figures.
Try $1200. It's impossible to buy a 3080 for $1000 in Canada
@@ertai222 CAD$ and USD$ are different currencies, it’s also difficult to find them at a thousand here in the uk it’s just in the opposite direction from yours because our GBP£ is worth more then USD$ same as how their USD$ is worth then your CAD$
If I were to localise the prices I’m sure we’d find them basically the same
I expect multi GPU will come back. This super high frequencies really put strain on power usage. We will probably see multi die GPUs with HBM, running at lower frequencies for efficiency. Or eventually stacked dies running a really low frequencies. We are still probably 7-8 years away from that, but after faster memories, 3d caches, there will be a brick wall of scaling
Nope, multi GPUs ain't coming back - Multi-Die GPUS will be a thing though however.
It makes no sense for GPU companies to do that. Just think what my options are if I want to upgrade my 3060, for example. With SLI or multi GPU, I get another 3060 or just another GPU. With no SLI or multi GPU option, I have to exchange the 3060 for a faster, more expensive GPU. One of these options represents more profit for a corporation, so that is the option that will most likely be deployed (there was no real reason to ditch SLI in the first place).
@Transistor Jump Sure there are. Plenty of reasons not to do it include:
Less profit
difficult to implement for tech that affects only a small subset of gamers
Reasons to do raytracing:
profit
Reasons not to do it:
difficult to implement for tech that affects only a small subset of gamers
The best part was the Linooooode ad 👍
That Bezos laugh was hilarious. Thank you edit team!
I find it somewhat strange that the 6950 XT seems to be the only card in this refresh that provides a near-zero change in value instead of being worse than the model it's replacing. The 6750 and 6650 models both seem to be more expensive than expected for the performance they're offering from what I've seen so far. Excellent piece as always, can't wait for the rest of your coverage!
Hardware Unboxed has the 6650XT at about the same price/perf as the 6600XT in their review.
i dont think the 6750xt will turn out well.
i mean at least they turned it into a 3 fan version.
amd has been a joke this gen
rx6400 and rx6500xt unnecessary cards. the rtx3050 wins
the rx6600 too expensive and only 8 lanes pcie 4, worse than a 3060
rx6600xt too expenisve and only 8 lanes picie 4, between 3060ti and 3060 performance
rx6700xt too expenisve and performance worse than 3060ti
rx6800 performance like 3070ti, is like the only viable choice, but their refernce cooling is bad.
The 6950XT is only $699 now and well in stock, it's 3090Ti level performance
And here I am, still waiting for the intel launch…
It just came out that the desktop cards will be delayed again and are going to launch as a China exclusive lmao
Alchemist really is going to be DoA
@@riven4121 what China only? It’s strange!!!
@@Praxss Yup. Desktop Alchemist will be China OEM exclusive.
"
We will release our entry-level Intel Arc A-series products for desktops (A3) first in China through system builders and OEMs in Q2.
Etail and retail component sales will follow shortly in China as well. Proximity to board components and strong demand for entry-level discrete products makes this a natural place to start. Our next step will be to scale these products globally.
Roll-out of Intel Arc A5 and A7 desktop cards will start worldwide with OEMs and system integrators later this summer, followed by component sales in worldwide channels."
I love that Gamers Nexus and other UA-camrs now think 3080 and 6800 XT for $900 is the right price. We have all accepted these new prices forgetting that top cards used to sell for $450, and that was only a few years ago. And we all know AMD and NVIdia will hike up the MSRP again this year, so what is the price of the 7800 XT and 4080 will be? $1100?
You clearly dont understand the RnD and manufacturing processes of making GPU die lol
You know that the GTX 1080 launched for 599 with the FE model having a price of 699, right?
yeah, if the performance leaks was right, i bet they would gouge the price up
@@t1e6x12 there is a big 300$ difference between 600$ and 900$, or can you not count?
@@mikemiles2241 900 isn't the MSRP
so me getting a saphire red devil 6950xt for 780 was a good deal. phew. drove 8 hours to a micro center to get a 3080. they had sold out and only had 4080/4090 and 3060s but they also had the 6950 xt's did some quick research and went with it and am happy so far
same. purchased the 6950xt red devil from Amazon for 785. Awesome price considering where they were priced at not very long ago. I didn't want to spend the extra $300 for the 7900xt. I game at 1440p so the 6950xt RD is plenty..considering I was rocking the evga 1080ti FTW3 hybrid for the last few years :)
6950XT is definitely the buy right now. Think about undervolting it too so that running costs are also reasonable.
Great review, but the box being upside down had me trigger all video long, lol!
This video made me want to buy a 6800 XT.