Few problems with how you've done it. 1. You recorded it once at 60fps and derived 30 and 24 from it by dropping half of the frames for 30 and using the 3:2 pulldown for 24. For 30 this is fine since it's an even division, but for 24 this is less than ideal. Makes it easier to film, though, so understandable. 2. Not enough motion blur. You used the default settings for 60fps filming(1/125 shutter speed), which is only acceptable when filming a shot that is ONLY intended for slow motion, no full-speed playback and no speed-ramping. The 180-degree shutter angle """rule""" is a false practice that ruins footage, regardless of frame rate or pulldown. And if you think about it in terms of time, it makes sense. 1/60th of a second shutter speed will capture 1/60th of a second of time and all of the movement that happens within it. It doesn't matter if you do it once (still picture), 24 times, 30, 48, 50, or 60 times per second, each frame will be 1/60th and the motion blur will look like 1/60th of a second. When you film 60fps at the 180-degree rule (1/120th or 1/125th), and then cut it down to 30 or 24, your motion blur doesn't scale back down, because the shutter speed/angle doesn't change when you remove frames. You effectively have 24 or 30fps content shot at 1/125th shutter speed, which is suddenly WAY outside the 180-degree rule, anyway. *BOTTOM LINE* Natural motion blur happens in the 1/40th to 1/60th of a second shutter speed range. Anything outside of that will look like ass. Also, cutting down 60 to 30 (or any frame rate divided evenly) and running that 30 in a 60fps video is fine, but doing so with 24 or any other uneven pulldown will compound the laggy look of it even more. It's somewhat okay to do this with 24 because the 3:2 pulldown for 24 into 60 is so standardized and ingrained, but still. *SOLUTION* If you want to redo this test fairly, but simply, go re-shoot it with a 1/60th shutter speed and make sure you lock the shutter speed by either going full manual exposure control or selecting shutter priority mode auto exposure. If you want to do it as accurately as possible, go shoot it 3 different times and edit then post 3 different videos all at native frame rates of 24, 30, and 60fps respectively, but once again, make sure they're ALL set to the same shutter speed for fairness. If you want, you can INCLUDE other shutter speeds in the 30 and 24 examples, and even compare 60p-1/60th with 60p-1/125th to spread the word that 180-deg is BAD and WRONG, but if you do this, make sure you have a caption for when the shutter speeds change. Obviously, you typically can't go below the frame rate for shutter speed, so while some people might like 30fps or 60fps at 1/60 better than 24fps 1/60, once you lower the shutter to 1/40th or 1/50th, they may end up liking the lower rates even more than a 60fps example that doesn't look like jittery, under-blurred, unrealistic, soap opera crap.
Firstly, thank you for taking the time out of your day to explain. This video was done a couple years ago on a phone, I had no idea what shutter speed even was at that point. Considering this was done on a phone in automatic mode it was probably some ridiculous 1/350 shutter speed. Since then I have actually decided to pursue filmmaking as a career so I'm now familiar with the rules. 1. You are absolutely right on that, for some reason I thought it was a good idea to just change the framerate using one clip in post. 2. You're completely right on the motion blur, this video wasn't done properly. It was more or less a very basic example from a non-filmmaking viewpoint. As stated earlier, it was in automatic mode so it wouldn't have been 1/125 but rather somewhere around 1/350. Although I disagree with saying the 180 shutter rule is a false practice that ruins footage, we use this rule constantly in the studio and there's a clear difference between following the rule and disregarding it. This could realistically fall under personal preference for what you're doing really, in some cases it's better to break the rule. It all depends on the type of shot. It also can make a difference depending on the camera body you're using, lower end versus higher end, at least in my personal experience anyways. While I do see the point you're making in terms of time, personally I will always follow the 180 rule. When I first started in filmmaking I never understood why my video wasn't coming out the way I expected it too, it always had awkward motion blur or slow motion just wasn't looking as expected, after I started learning about the 180 rule my video had started to look how I wanted it too. In the bottom line section, I completely agree with you on the frame rate aspect. For the solution section, I'm definitely going to redo this with my current knowledge being much stronger than it once was although I will be doubling my shutter speed for it as this is common practice. I will also include different shutter speeds with captions to show the difference, once again thank you for putting your opinion on it out there. I always respect and appreciate what others have to say even if I might disagree.
Video has been redone, I didn’t go into super large amounts of detail in an effort to not confuse anyone but it’s definitely more proper this time around. Proper Shutter Speed & Framerate EXPLAINED! - Basic Camera Examples ua-cam.com/video/sm-wz4hBDBQ/v-deo.html Edit: Added a space between wording and link.
@charliewill4879 You are mostly correct, 24fps will always have a “jittery choppy” look to it but the reason for this is because of something called shutter speed. In automatic mode this number will change as the lighting changes and almost always it will make the shutter speed a lot faster than the frame rate. If in manual mode you can manually make the shutter speed proper for the correct amount of motion blur. In this case if it’s 24fps your shutter speed should be around 1/48 or 1/50. You want to double your shutter speed by your frame rate. If 30 fps then 1/60, if 60 fps then 1/120 and so forth. The higher the fps you’re shooting, the faster your shutter speed, the darker and smoother your image will become. There are also manual camera apps for iPhone that will let you change this. It makes a big difference in video.
personally, i think 30fps is the best because it has pretty smooth footage and it uses slightly less power than 60fps+ because it uses less frames@@TheDomainS
@poopy-mc.pooperson It really depends on the use case, general standards (in which I completely agree with and use myself) are: 24fps - film/movies 30fps - general video, vlogs, phone video, that sort of thing 60fps - sports, anything with fast moving action, slow motion (slowed by 50 or 44%) 120fps through 960fps+ - super slow motion
Those who own PlayStation 3 and Xbox One Fat devices will choose 24 frames. Those who own PlayStation 4 will choose 30 frames. Those who have a PlayStation 5 will choose 60 frames. Those who own an Xbox Series will choose 120 frames. Those who have a computer will decide what is best. As for Nintendo devices, I don't know 😅 Thanks for the comparison
No problem! The slowdown is used usually when someone is demonstrating 60 FPS vs 120 FPS since there’s a lot of displays that can’t actually display that high frame rate. I figured I would throw in a slowed version of it just to really get that point that 60 FPS is way smoother across.
It was definitely necessary. My monitor does display 60fps, but I couldn't see the difference without the slowdown. At normal speed 30 and 60 look identical to me.
Either 24 or 30. I suggest you check out my new video that explains this much better (link in description). I would mostly recommend 30 for amateur video. 24 is more “film” which personally, I think looks better.
Resolutions below 720p are capped at 30fps. You should still be able to see the difference between 24 and 30, but then again, at that low of a resolution, everything looks like crap. And if you're viewing on a phone screen, it's much harder to see differences.
There is no “better” frame-rate. Whether it’s 24, 30, or 60 it won’t have a quality difference. Technically, 30 is “correct” because that’s how Instagram interprets footage so uploading a 24fps video means you’ll have an extra 6 frames per second.
It depends on the situation, check out my new video for a more in depth explanation of what they do and what they're used for: ua-cam.com/video/sm-wz4hBDBQ/v-deo.html
![Does 24FPS REALLY Look More Cinematic Than 30FPS [Or 60]?](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZdS-6qhob-I/mqdefault.jpg)
![Does 24FPS REALLY Look More Cinematic Than 30FPS [Or 60]?](/img/tr.png)
Few problems with how you've done it. 1. You recorded it once at 60fps and derived 30 and 24 from it by dropping half of the frames for 30 and using the 3:2 pulldown for 24. For 30 this is fine since it's an even division, but for 24 this is less than ideal. Makes it easier to film, though, so understandable. 2. Not enough motion blur. You used the default settings for 60fps filming(1/125 shutter speed), which is only acceptable when filming a shot that is ONLY intended for slow motion, no full-speed playback and no speed-ramping. The 180-degree shutter angle """rule""" is a false practice that ruins footage, regardless of frame rate or pulldown.
And if you think about it in terms of time, it makes sense. 1/60th of a second shutter speed will capture 1/60th of a second of time and all of the movement that happens within it. It doesn't matter if you do it once (still picture), 24 times, 30, 48, 50, or 60 times per second, each frame will be 1/60th and the motion blur will look like 1/60th of a second. When you film 60fps at the 180-degree rule (1/120th or 1/125th), and then cut it down to 30 or 24, your motion blur doesn't scale back down, because the shutter speed/angle doesn't change when you remove frames. You effectively have 24 or 30fps content shot at 1/125th shutter speed, which is suddenly WAY outside the 180-degree rule, anyway.
*BOTTOM LINE*
Natural motion blur happens in the 1/40th to 1/60th of a second shutter speed range. Anything outside of that will look like ass. Also, cutting down 60 to 30 (or any frame rate divided evenly) and running that 30 in a 60fps video is fine, but doing so with 24 or any other uneven pulldown will compound the laggy look of it even more. It's somewhat okay to do this with 24 because the 3:2 pulldown for 24 into 60 is so standardized and ingrained, but still.
*SOLUTION*
If you want to redo this test fairly, but simply, go re-shoot it with a 1/60th shutter speed and make sure you lock the shutter speed by either going full manual exposure control or selecting shutter priority mode auto exposure. If you want to do it as accurately as possible, go shoot it 3 different times and edit then post 3 different videos all at native frame rates of 24, 30, and 60fps respectively, but once again, make sure they're ALL set to the same shutter speed for fairness.
If you want, you can INCLUDE other shutter speeds in the 30 and 24 examples, and even compare 60p-1/60th with 60p-1/125th to spread the word that 180-deg is BAD and WRONG, but if you do this, make sure you have a caption for when the shutter speeds change.
Obviously, you typically can't go below the frame rate for shutter speed, so while some people might like 30fps or 60fps at 1/60 better than 24fps 1/60, once you lower the shutter to 1/40th or 1/50th, they may end up liking the lower rates even more than a 60fps example that doesn't look like jittery, under-blurred, unrealistic, soap opera crap.
Firstly, thank you for taking the time out of your day to explain. This video was done a couple years ago on a phone, I had no idea what shutter speed even was at that point. Considering this was done on a phone in automatic mode it was probably some ridiculous 1/350 shutter speed. Since then I have actually decided to pursue filmmaking as a career so I'm now familiar with the rules.
1. You are absolutely right on that, for some reason I thought it was a good idea to just change the framerate using one clip in post.
2. You're completely right on the motion blur, this video wasn't done properly. It was more or less a very basic example from a non-filmmaking viewpoint. As stated earlier, it was in automatic mode so it wouldn't have been 1/125 but rather somewhere around 1/350. Although I disagree with saying the 180 shutter rule is a false practice that ruins footage, we use this rule constantly in the studio and there's a clear difference between following the rule and disregarding it. This could realistically fall under personal preference for what you're doing really, in some cases it's better to break the rule. It all depends on the type of shot. It also can make a difference depending on the camera body you're using, lower end versus higher end, at least in my personal experience anyways.
While I do see the point you're making in terms of time, personally I will always follow the 180 rule. When I first started in filmmaking I never understood why my video wasn't coming out the way I expected it too, it always had awkward motion blur or slow motion just wasn't looking as expected, after I started learning about the 180 rule my video had started to look how I wanted it too.
In the bottom line section, I completely agree with you on the frame rate aspect.
For the solution section, I'm definitely going to redo this with my current knowledge being much stronger than it once was although I will be doubling my shutter speed for it as this is common practice. I will also include different shutter speeds with captions to show the difference, once again thank you for putting your opinion on it out there. I always respect and appreciate what others have to say even if I might disagree.
Video has been redone, I didn’t go into super large amounts of detail in an effort to not confuse anyone but it’s definitely more proper this time around.
Proper Shutter Speed & Framerate EXPLAINED! - Basic Camera Examples
ua-cam.com/video/sm-wz4hBDBQ/v-deo.html
Edit: Added a space between wording and link.
@@TheDomainS Thanks for the follow up, appreciate the update, left a huge comment in response.
This is an oversimplified way 24fps works in movies. The reason why movies dont look as laggy as this video is due to shutter speed/motion blur.
Correct! This is a little outdated, I have a video in the description that goes a lot more in depth.
In speed 0.5, the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps is visible.
In normal speed, there is no difference.
I’m able to see a difference but my eyes are also very used to deciphering between frame rates. 0.5 speed definitely makes it easier!
@@TheDomainSAnd 0.25 makes it even easier
I'm able to see the difference as well btween 30 and 60
I don’t get how people find 24 fps “natural”. My vision is not choppy like that. 120 fps seems way more natural.
24 is usually more natural for films, 120 more for games, a lot of it has to do with personal preference as well.
This depends on camera used. Phone cameras will be choppy on 24fps. I’m not a camera guy but there is more explanation to it than that.
@charliewill4879 You are mostly correct, 24fps will always have a “jittery choppy” look to it but the reason for this is because of something called shutter speed. In automatic mode this number will change as the lighting changes and almost always it will make the shutter speed a lot faster than the frame rate. If in manual mode you can manually make the shutter speed proper for the correct amount of motion blur. In this case if it’s 24fps your shutter speed should be around 1/48 or 1/50. You want to double your shutter speed by your frame rate. If 30 fps then 1/60, if 60 fps then 1/120 and so forth. The higher the fps you’re shooting, the faster your shutter speed, the darker and smoother your image will become. There are also manual camera apps for iPhone that will let you change this. It makes a big difference in video.
But in real life your eyes don't view in fps. 60fps is also unnatural compared to how you actually see the world.
i think the "framerate" of the eye is only 30 to 60 fps (that's only from google thought so i'm not really sure)
30 fps looks like a sweet compromise
30fps is the sweet spot for tons of footage. It really depends on personal preference and what the scene is.
personally, i think 30fps is the best because it has pretty smooth footage and it uses slightly less power than 60fps+ because it uses less frames@@TheDomainS
@poopy-mc.pooperson It really depends on the use case, general standards (in which I completely agree with and use myself) are:
24fps - film/movies
30fps - general video, vlogs, phone video, that sort of thing
60fps - sports, anything with fast moving action, slow motion (slowed by 50 or 44%)
120fps through 960fps+ - super slow motion
Honestly, I don't see a difference, but I feel a difference. I don't mind 30 fps tbh
Awesome comparison! helped a lot to choose 60fps
Glad it helped!
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Those who own PlayStation 3 and Xbox One Fat devices will choose 24 frames. Those who own PlayStation 4 will choose 30 frames. Those who have a PlayStation 5 will choose 60 frames. Those who own an Xbox Series will choose 120 frames. Those who have a computer will decide what is best. As for Nintendo devices, I don't know 😅 Thanks for the comparison
Check out the new comparison. (Link in description) This one is pretty outdated.
240fps 🔥🔥
playstation 5 and xbox series x can both be 120 fps lmao
Great comparison, thanks
So... the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps is visible when you watch it at speed 0.5?
60 fps is visibly smoother but yes you’ll be able to see it more in 0.5x.
Thanks for the comparison! The slowdown is pretty pointless, though 😁
No problem! The slowdown is used usually when someone is demonstrating 60 FPS vs 120 FPS since there’s a lot of displays that can’t actually display that high frame rate. I figured I would throw in a slowed version of it just to really get that point that 60 FPS is way smoother across.
i'm not 100% sure, but i think my laptop screen can display up to 120fps... maybe???@@TheDomainS
It was definitely necessary. My monitor does display 60fps, but I couldn't see the difference without the slowdown. At normal speed 30 and 60 look identical to me.
It’s possible depending on what laptop model you have, screens go by hz, so if your screen can display 120hz then yes it’s 120fps.
Oh wow, I can tell the difference between 30 and 60 just as much as I can 60 and 120.
Great vid!
60 fps should be on every video
I record my band when we play a club. Which rate do you think would be best? I normally use 30. Would 60 be better?
Either 24 or 30. I suggest you check out my new video that explains this much better (link in description).
I would mostly recommend 30 for amateur video. 24 is more “film” which personally, I think looks better.
Ok thank you.
@jefizz66 Let me know if you have any questions!
Me watching in 144p I don't see any difference.
You need to select 720p 60, 1080p 60, or 2160p 60 to see the difference. 144p through 480p will not have 60 fps.
that was a joke... @@TheDomainS
but 2160!?!? Only 1080 is accessible to me
Resolutions below 720p are capped at 30fps. You should still be able to see the difference between 24 and 30, but then again, at that low of a resolution, everything looks like crap. And if you're viewing on a phone screen, it's much harder to see differences.
thats why I love DJI FPV drones.. 60fos rules!
60fps is definitely best for any kind of FPV footage.
@@TheDomainSwhat camera did u use
This is an old video done on a Samsung Galaxy S8, I’m redoing this with proper shutter speeds soon with a Sony ZV-E10.
Which FPS is More Bettet For Tiktok and Instagram Reels ?
There is no “better” frame-rate. Whether it’s 24, 30, or 60 it won’t have a quality difference. Technically, 30 is “correct” because that’s how Instagram interprets footage so uploading a 24fps video means you’ll have an extra 6 frames per second.
Thank you ❤
You're welcome!
I think 60fps is my life.
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30 is and will be sweet for for youtube and movie content
30 fps looking good😊
Check the description for an even better more updated version of this!
but in low light, 24 is better
Definitely! This allows for the ISO and shutter to be lower giving you a way better looking image!
thank you!
You're welcome!
I like 60
30 frames per second is su**s.
It depends on the situation, check out my new video for a more in depth explanation of what they do and what they're used for: ua-cam.com/video/sm-wz4hBDBQ/v-deo.html
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@@TheDomainS Thanks
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60fps
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I recommend you check out my much more updated and proper video on this (link in description). You might change your mind afterwards!