Most people is me to be honest, I've never shot in 30fps on my Sony a6600, and I've always dreamed about shooting at 4k @60fps but after seeing this video, I'm definitely gonna give this a go!!! My main reason for not using 30fps was the fear of my videos not being "cinematic" enough but that 80% speed makes it look sooo good!!! Thank you man!!
Wow, I was always terrified of 30 fps (only shooting 24 or 60 slowed down). But for some reason never thought o shoot in 30 and slow it down 20%. Cool idea.
I've done this trick when needing to do a gimbal shot in the evening, 60fps wouldn't let in enough light however 30 slowed to 25 with a slightly slower walk gives you a very similar feel but you gain a stop of light.
I mean sure most people won’t notice the difference but the whole point of understanding the frame rates/shutter speed is to match how your motion blur looks. If you have anything moving in the shot the motion blur will be different than the 60fps footage
Correct 😊 I also do this when shooting real estate, normally I use 4k60 but for some darker areas I shoot at 30 to allow a 1/60 shutter, saving me from using too much ISO
@@wrywndp you do know there is more than one way to get a solution with math lol. there are 4 different ways infact lmfao. 100-20=80, 100+(-20)=80, 100x80%=80 100/1.25=80. what are you on about?
@@imtoxicAF there are two element in this, slowed meaning reducing, subtraction and by 80%, meaning the amount. if you say slowed by 80%, meaning you reducing 80% from total. if you mean from 100% to 80%, it could be slowed by 20% or slowed to 80%
Yesss! 30/80% gang rise up! It even works well with music videos. Speed song to 125%, shoot at 30, place in a 24 fps comp with 80% speed and boom, amazing.
@@OutandaboutWalking Yep! If you want to have people do stuff synced to the song (like lip-syncing), speed its payback to 125% when shooting. This will make the slowed-down-to-80% footage stay in sync with the song at normal speed.
@@DucatiSydney Sure thing. Create a 24 fps sequence and drop your 30 fps footage in it. Then change the **footage** speed to 80%. Just like Ryan showed in the video.
Never thought I would ever see a tutorial on 30fps, this was really helpful i will try it out for sure. Thanks a lot for putting the time to share this with us.
Just keep in mind that also it depends on your location and light sources because you will get black bands if you are shooting in a country where the AC frecuency is 50Hz and you shoot at 30fps (using 1/60 shutter speed). For outdoors or scenes with DC light sources it won't be a problem.
Yeah, there was definitely some tape being leaked here....lol but appreciate it! Lets see what these cameramen and editors can do with this information
Out of curiosity, in a wedding situation how would you handle the frame rates? You cannot record everything at 30 fps and the render at 24 at 80% speed , right ? Otherwise everything looks kind of slow motion . Should you instead record at 24 and when needed switch to 30? This seems kind of problematic because you may forget to switch back
Bro, I’ve been doing this in my commercial work for a while now, I am so glad to see it being recognised. Slow motion really doesn’t suit everything, but 30fps in a 24timeline gives something special. No one would call it slow motion because it’s not, but it’s softer (if that makes sense).
You're such a big inspiration for me. You know you're watching the right videos when even the talking head portion- from the set, the grade, the entire look is just phenomenal. You're beyond talented, never stop shooting Ryan.
I can definitely agree with this. I've shot on the EOS R for years and if I shoot in 4K the highest I can go is 30fps. And it looks smooth while not being that super slowed down footage that let's you know you're watching slow mo. It's like an optical illusion that does not take the view out of the real time emersion but still can take a few little jitters from the footage.
I use this for ALL my music video shoots! I playback the track for the artist at 125% speed, then slow my 30p footage down to 80% to then export smooth dreamy 24p video :)
@@AndyKingCo yeah. You record at 30FPS with the playback track running at 125%. Then drop your footage into a 24p timeline and play it back at 80% speed, with your original playback audio at its normal speed.
Thank you so much! 🙏 Your advice was brilliant. My teacher at University said it was okay to drop my 30fps footage in a 24fps timeline, but as you pointed out, there was something wrong with it. My videos looked choppy and laggy. 😩 Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. It will definitely improve my editing skills. I am grateful for your advice as it will definitely help me improve my editing skills. 😊 I want to thank you for pointing out the mistake in my work. My teacher at MAA University had suggested that it was okay to drop my 30fps footage in a 24fps timeline, but as you pointed out, it was causing problems. My videos were appearing choppy and laggy. 😔 Your knowledge and expertise in the field of video editing have been very valuable to me. Thanks once again for your help in improving my editing skills. 🙏🤗
Not gonna lie, i saw the title to this video and thought "here we go again, someone else claiming 30fps is better than 24fps" lol but this is a great tip! 100% trying this out
Funny, I though I was going to see an explanation of why you should not deliver 24fps content to a 60fps platform. No dice. I appreciate the irony at 1:26 where we acknowledge that cadence errors make things "look a little bit off", then proceed to take footage recorded at 1:1 cadence and send it to UA-cam to display at 3:2. Pretty shots though. Thanks.
@@flowportal No, UA-cam isn't doing any conversion, it is delivering the 24 fps video. It is your phone/computer that has issues displaying it. If your phone/laptop/monitor is 60hz refresh (probably 90%+ are) then it can only display images for multiples of 1/60 of second, so 1/60, 1/30, 1/20, 1/15... So when it encounters 24 fps it alternates between 1/20 and 1/30 display times. That averages out to 1/24 but the even number frames are displayed 50% longer than the odd number frames. The RTINGS guys explain this really well, provided you can handle extreme French-Canadian :) ua-cam.com/video/CuEZIJDEQyo/v-deo.html You can download their test pattern and try it yourself.
Was expecting someone to talk about how 30fps is better than 24 fps because the 24fps jitter on youtube is annoying af, but guess this was just a video on 30fps b-roll for 24fps videos 😞
Daniel Talked about this long time ago never really gave it much thought but these examples are really good. BTW the color grade on the b-roll is absolutely 🔥🔥🔥 damn man it’s good
This is one of the channels that gave me the courage to start my UA-cam channel 8 months ago about self development. Now I have 1,126 subs and > 900 hours of watch time. I know it’s not comparable with others but I’m still proud I started because I’ve been learning so many lessons that I could haven’t learned without getting started in the 1st place.
Very well articulated. I have been feeling a burnout of slow-mo B rolls myself and also the fact that 60 fps slowed down looks way too slow to keep up with the dwindling attention span of people.
im past 50 and decided to delve into this.. the ongoing decline of attention span. Saw a short documentary and it scared the hell out of me. I think the general assessment was that modern attention span of younger kids is somewhere in the 0-10 second range. they studied why movie trailers seems to almost be strobe lights, and why they need to give away the entire plot in the trailer. when you go to the movies and the trailers play its like sitting in front of a machine gun, bot audio and visually. when two people are talking to each other in a film, we need a camera cut at least every 5 seconds or they lose interest in the conversation. it went on and on but I couldn't believe what I was watching. its scary
@@chinmayasinghrawat4622 yeah let me look back through my history and see if I can find it. was some months back. im sure you could find it though. it was on UA-cam. really quite shocking though. and actually not hard to see. im pretty sure social media addiction has a LOT to do with it. Ticktoc is literally engineered to create rabid time based addiction patterns so..
OMG you have really inspired me, I’ve been so torn about what frame rate to use, I constantly heard 60 is the smoothest and 24 is standard and I was so lost but this, I love the way it looks! Thank you so much.
I have been trying this "light slow-mo effect" on a project and ran into two problems before I got it right. My process: I shot some stock footage clips at 30fps and in Davinci Resolve I started a new project with 24 fps in the project settings. On the timeline I right-clicked the clips and under "change clip speed" I changed speed from 100 to 80% and clicked "change". Now - when doing this, part of the original clip is cut off. To prevent this from happening you also have to check the box "Ripple timeline". When you then click "change" you can notice that the clip is stretched out on the timeline and everything you filmed is there. So far so good. But when I rendered my project and checked the rendered clips, I could se they were still 30fps!! (actually 29,97fps) instead of 24 fps wich I had as project setting. The solution to this was to also be sure to check the box "Render timeline effects" on the render page under the format and codec options. When re-rendering my project I now could see that my clips were 24 fps. Also, on the short sequence in your video where we can see how you do it (ua-cam.com/video/cj1FGnV3b9E/v-deo.html) you also have "pitch correction" checked. I was not able to do this as this check-box is gray for me and I don´t know what possible effect it would have... I´m a beginner on Davinci and maybe things should be done differently, but this is how I did it. I´d be glad to hear your comment Ryan! Again, thank you for your video Ryan, it was truly inspiring!
"pitch correction" would affect the imbeded audiotrack. So if audio get slowed down it would normally sound deeper. To prevent this from happening you "pitch correct" the slowed audio to the same hight as the original, thus making it sound more natural. Honestly a must use feature if there is talking involved in the clip and lips can be seen. If the lip-movement can not be seen I would separate the audiotrack and cut the pauses to match the video. If there are only noises it's completely up to you and your creative choice. Deeper sounds of (for example: rolling tires) with a slow-mo-shot can be quite nice aswell. But I think you understand know what the setting does, so be creative!
Wow that was a great tip. I'm very new to all this and i'm going to use my iPhone 11 as a camera with a gimbal and some simple tools. Let's see what I can come up with
Thank you so much for this video. I'm new to videography so seeing the difference between 24 / 30 / 60 was very helpful. I love the dreamy look as you described about the 30fps look. I will definitely be incorporating that in my work.
I have the Canon R50 with the Nisi 9mm f/2.8 RF lens and it's been an amazing combo for shooting real estate. The R50 goes up to 4k 30fps without cropping and with this tip, the results are great! 👍
You're right, it looks hyperreal. And I do quite like this look. Sometimes when you have big or strong motions in your video, 25 fps (I'm living in Europe) does look too blurry to me. So I wondered about what method I could use to get rid of this without putting out a 30 fps video or getting a weird look in my footage. But this could be it. As long as nobody is talking to the camera... could be strange at 80% speed. 😂
@@sun-eye That makes no sense, unless you're talking about having people lip-sync to music while recording the video. In that case, if you're slowing the clip down to 80%, you'll want to speed up the music to 125% (not 120%) and it will match up.
Great video. My question is, does reducing the speed of 4k 30 footage to 80% have any effects on synching with real-time sound at all? Forgive me, I'm learning how to edit so this may be a noob question.
UA-camrs tend to be sold on 24fps by other UA-camrs. Outside that world 30fps is still the most common frame rate (at least I’ve never been asked to deliver 24). Yes, only do the 80% thing putting 30fps on a 24fps timeline. Of course shooting 24fps has it’s place, but there are a lot of problems with it that make it less than ideal for content delivered online. Screen refresh rates are a factor here. For commercial clients, delivering the same content on multiple platforms really requires 30 or 60. I know that some wedding shooters like shooting everything in 60, so they have the flexibility of slowing down anything later. My personal projects are all shot in 24, but no client to answer to when my video looks bad on UA-cam. I like your stuff btw!
Well, man, I'm not sure about your requested deliveries, but pretty much every serious protect I've worked with (from documentaries to commercials and short films) were all delivered in 24-25 fps. a-roll shot in target framerate to maintain proper shutter motion blur, b-roll if needed in slowmo is usually shot in rapids (like 120 slowed down to 25 etc). Blackmagic, Arri, Red... you name it. Though a couple of specific projects were shot with very high shutter speed and in slow mo because of the genre. So... idk.
@@peterfuentes5893 yep same. speeches and ceremony on a-roll are 23.976 because they’ll be shown in real time, b-roll and lovey dovey stuff in 60 fps slowed down
I like the look of 24p, but I'm SOOO used to the traditional broadcast world of 30 fps (actually 29.97 to nitpick) that doing the math to figure out transition lengths, for example (8 frames vs. 10, for 1/3 of a second) throws me off a bit, so I don't tend to use 24 fps timelines.
This is a solid idea for UA-cam videos & lifestyle content but not for Music Videos or Feature Films. The industry standard will always be 24fps and looks best 🤷🏼♂️
Can’t wait to try this out on my next video dude, awesome tip. As a fellow DaVinci user, is there a difference between slowing the footage down to 80% vs changing clip attributes to 24p?
Sometimes you just gotta choose 60FPS in a bright situation if you don't have a neutral density filter. For indoor lighting 30FPS is pretty doable and help lowering that ISO noise.
In final cut just select the clip(s) and hit the time icon then hit automatic speed. This will slow down the footage to whatever the project frame rate is set to.
Thank you Ryan! I’ve never heard of playing back 30fps in a 24 timeline at 80%. Fun to see an original idea and I can’t wait to give it a go. Also I really enjoyed your small motion piece when describing the “pull down” or whatever it’s called tossing frames to jam 30 in 24 full speed. Subscribed to the channel thanks again! TJ Daly
Ths is awesome. My girlfriend and I are batching videos for our first cookery UA-cam channel. I'll absolutely be giving this a try!!! Thanks for the video.
Good call, and wonderful footage. Like 24fps I also think the 180 degree shutter rule is overstressed when higher shutter speeds can allow for better stabilization in post if you can't use a gimbal etc., especially with new gyroscopic-based stabe.
1. She def got her steps in 2. Those peaches and that lemonade looks good 3. Great video 4. Where’s the peach lemonade recipe? 😂 5. The nails, here for it lol
Can someone explain slowing down the 30fps to 80% using the Speed option versus using the Interpret Footage option, bringing the 30fps to 24fps. Advantages, disadvantages, same thing? Thank you. 🙏
Hi Ryan, How do you do when you need to record an interview? Do you use 30fps or do you already record at 24fps? If you record the interview at 30fps, there's no way to reduce it by 80% on the 24fps timeline because the audio will also reduce by 80% in speed. How do you do in a situation like this? Congratulations mate
After watching a ton of videos I'm pretty convinced to shoot at 30 or 60 and edit on a 24 timeline with interpreted 80% and 40% footage. BUT. Will I still need to shoot at 24 to have usable audio? Thanks!
This video was awesome. I think I am going to give it a try on my next cooking video. I always switch to 120fps to show case food but i want to play around with this effect that you talk about. Great info!
It’s almost like 30fps emphasizes an entire moment and 60fps emphasizes a moment with the entire moment. Sometimes 60fps is cool however boring when you wish the specific slowed down moment would just get over with. Super cool video! Just noticing this now and definitely going to be incorporating it more.
I used to shoot everything at 60fps (1/60) then edit and export in 30. I think it’s the most versatile way for UA-cam, because if something crazy happens, you can slow it down by 50% in a pinch. But as I’ve worked my way into television, I find myself really enjoying 24 frames with 180° shutter angle. Accessible cameras are typically able to output higher qualities, better colors, and the like when you use 30 or below. Up to preference.
I remember this hack from your drone stuff. Made me shoot in 30 on my old mavic pro back in the day to slow it down to 24. Does slowing down 30fps work on a 25fps timeline though? Is it better to interpret the footage at 25 instead. Reason I’m asking is I live in Australia and our electricity is 50HZ so high frame rates in ntsc cause flicker in artificial light where as all the PAL frame rates like 25,50,100 work better in this part of the world haha 🤦♂️ Although I hardly shoot in artificial light anyway unless I’m doing weddings
I had this same problem when I was editing a video where I had some 30 fps footage and a lot of 25 fps footage. So i interpreted it to 25 and added optical flow, and after trying a lot of other things decided it did the best for my specific shots.
I'm also Australian and personally I've always just said "screw it" to shooting at PAL-compatible framerates. I rarely shoot under fluoros anyway and the flickering doesn't seem to occur with incandescent and LED bulbs. 60fps all the way for me. Computer monitors and phone screens are mostly multiples of 30fps so the playback is much smoother. Then again, I'm only shooting vlogs, not weddings, so I'm not after a cinematic feel and it's not important if there's a little strobing in a shopping centre or whatever. But in answer to your question, 30fps should work fine on a 25fps timeline _so long as_ your editing software can support slowing down the footage by an arbitrary amount, since you'd need to slow it by 83.333% (25/30). I haven't tried this myself, but speaking as a programmer, I suspect if your editing software lets you specific a target framerate (rather than a percentage of the original speed) then it should only very rarely have to drop a frame (due to floating point imprecision). However, if your editing software only lets you specify a target speed as a percentage of the original, you better type as many threes as it will let you type, otherwise the limited precision of the number might result in more frequent dropped frames. Or I might be talking out my arse. As I say, I haven't tried it myself. Some video editors have strobe removal features, so you might try that if your shots are flickery.
Hey Ryan, love the look of the final project when shooting at 30fps. I wondered how some people were achieving that. QUESTION - I heard you say people tend to edit in 24fps, but do you still render or export the final project at 30fps or 24fps? That threw me for a loop. :) What's the difference if you edit in 30 vs 24? I don't quite understand that, especially while just working on a timeline. Thanks sir!
Really cool concept. I honestly love this, I'll definitely be playing with this idea. I am quite married to shooting for slow mo. But your not wrong in saying it's a bit overdone.
I don't think he means export in 30fps, he means your cinematic sequences can be shot in 30 and then made to look cool and smooth if you reduce from 30 to 24 using 80% speed. The video you're talking about would be titled "Why you SHOULD set your timeline to 30fps" or "Why you SHOULD export in 30fps!!"
This technique does not work well with shots that have a talking subject, you would have to either slow down the sound as well making it sound weird or have it not be synced to the video. This is for B-roll.
@@lIlIIIIllIllIIIlIlIIIf you play the original footage at 125% speed, then convert it to 24fps, slow it down to 8o% you will end up with the original video speed you started on. Then you just overlay the original audio over it and you are golden.
30fps, there is a lot of benefits to 30. One you can pan slightly faster, which is a big limitation in cameras. Also 30 divides nicely into all frame rates and matchs screens for viewers. Even most apps convert your videos to 30. So why do this 24fps just because film did it. Personally I don't like the look of 24fps, it jitters and i can see it.
I did this about a year ago on a fashion video where I didn't want to shoot everything at 60fps. It was perfect for making the "normal' (non slomo) footage still look a bit dreamy. My cameras (Canon) don't have 48fps, so I'm thinking about trying 50fps to see how I like that look.
Pretty sure this is gonna save my current project! Thank you so much! I actually thought about doing this to save the project so I did a UA-cam search and found this. My intuition was right, it looks dope! Thank you so much!!!
30FPS is applicable for those stayed in NTSC region like US, Japan NTSC. If youre European or Asian you wanna stick with 25FPS. The amount of people shoot in 24FPS all over the world causes problem in the broadcast industry.
Hi, i'm new to filmmaking. I learn most of editing and shooting skills from youtube. And I shoot in 24/30/60fps most of the time and I live in Malaysia. What's the cause or issue with NTSC and PAL differences?
This is a great video! Thx! I do full-time video for a County in CA and have used 30fps for ALL B-Roll, but there is even another reason. If you have recorded the master in 30fps, for commercial B-roll or products, all the local TV stations want 30fps, so if you already have that, how awesome, render it out in 30 and its ready for the tv stations. I am going to be setting this on my Komodo too.
Clicking on this in my recommended, I Expected to skip through and roll my eyes calling out the clickbait, but came away having learned something interesting and new, something I haven’t thought of doing before and that’s dope, thanks :D I’m surprised how the audio is still perfectly usable at 80% speed.
I have my 1st wedding video shoot in a week. I was going to shoot in only 60 fps. Just saw your video. Now I’m going to be shooting in both 30fps and 60fps and slow it down to 80% and 40% respectively and edit at 24 fps. Hopefully I make statement with this. Thanks a lot.
Seriously… you guys gotta try this out. Literally my go-to framerate for b roll 🤌
Most people is me to be honest, I've never shot in 30fps on my Sony a6600, and I've always dreamed about shooting at 4k @60fps but after seeing this video, I'm definitely gonna give this a go!!! My main reason for not using 30fps was the fear of my videos not being "cinematic" enough but that 80% speed makes it look sooo good!!! Thank you man!!
@@filmbyakiljoefield exactly bro!! Glad I could help, let me know how it turns out
30 is the best. Seriously. Still looks human. Don’t have to jack your ISO. It’s great.
I suppose it is only where audio is not needed ?
Wow, I was always terrified of 30 fps (only shooting 24 or 60 slowed down). But for some reason never thought o shoot in 30 and slow it down 20%. Cool idea.
Super oldschool technique. Referred to as ”commercial slow” back in the good old celluloid days.
... getting older and not smarter as I wanted to grrr
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I've done this trick when needing to do a gimbal shot in the evening, 60fps wouldn't let in enough light however 30 slowed to 25 with a slightly slower walk gives you a very similar feel but you gain a stop of light.
Wow very smart!
I mean sure most people won’t notice the difference but the whole point of understanding the frame rates/shutter speed is to match how your motion blur looks. If you have anything moving in the shot the motion blur will be different than the 60fps footage
Correct 😊 I also do this when shooting real estate, normally I use 4k60 but for some darker areas I shoot at 30 to allow a 1/60 shutter, saving me from using too much ISO
@@TheFilmCouple_ I too am interested in doing video for real estate. I just do still at the moment.
If I record an entire even at 30fps, will I be able to slow down some parts to 80% and leave other parts real time?
Good tip Ryan, but actually, it's not slowed by 80%, it's slowed *to* 80%. If it was slowed by 80% it would be at 20% which is 6 fps.
Ahhh right, my mistake! Thank you
@@RyanKao love your content man! 💪🏾
it actually is slowed by 80%. By is a common term used to multiply. 100% x 80% or .8 = 80%
@@wrywndp you do know there is more than one way to get a solution with math lol. there are 4 different ways infact lmfao. 100-20=80, 100+(-20)=80, 100x80%=80 100/1.25=80. what are you on about?
@@imtoxicAF there are two element in this, slowed meaning reducing, subtraction and by 80%, meaning the amount. if you say slowed by 80%, meaning you reducing 80% from total. if you mean from 100% to 80%, it could be slowed by 20% or slowed to 80%
Yesss! 30/80% gang rise up! It even works well with music videos. Speed song to 125%, shoot at 30, place in a 24 fps comp with 80% speed and boom, amazing.
Literally my favorite!
Speed song to 125% - Do you mean audio? Thanks
@@OutandaboutWalking Yep! If you want to have people do stuff synced to the song (like lip-syncing), speed its payback to 125% when shooting. This will make the slowed-down-to-80% footage stay in sync with the song at normal speed.
Bro could you elaborate that last line, “place in a 24fps comp with 80%”
@@DucatiSydney Sure thing. Create a 24 fps sequence and drop your 30 fps footage in it. Then change the **footage** speed to 80%. Just like Ryan showed in the video.
Never thought I would ever see a tutorial on 30fps, this was really helpful i will try it out for sure. Thanks a lot for putting the time to share this with us.
Appreciate this!
Really gonna try this for Broll.
Thanks!
Of course brother 🙏
oooh. a checkmark!!
Just keep in mind that also it depends on your location and light sources because you will get black bands if you are shooting in a country where the AC frecuency is 50Hz and you shoot at 30fps (using 1/60 shutter speed). For outdoors or scenes with DC light sources it won't be a problem.
Even if a camera has an anti-flicker feature?
@@ezzaAU this is only a problem for places that uses old style LEDs. most new and modern LEDs are flicker-free
@@kurt_hansen me too, bro. I only film indoors, and everything flickers like hell if I'm shooting in 30/60.
@@Bcutteror CFL, neon, arc lamps, etc... so a lot of places outside studio environment
Wedding Filmmakers: "welp, there goes our secret for those smooth getting ready shots"
Facts
Secret? Lol no
@@awphotos to some it is, pro 🙌🏼
Yeah, there was definitely some tape being leaked here....lol but appreciate it! Lets see what these cameramen and editors can do with this information
Out of curiosity, in a wedding situation how would you handle the frame rates? You cannot record everything at 30 fps and the render at 24 at 80% speed , right ? Otherwise everything looks kind of slow motion . Should you instead record at 24 and when needed switch to 30? This seems kind of problematic because you may forget to switch back
Bro, I’ve been doing this in my commercial work for a while now, I am so glad to see it being recognised. Slow motion really doesn’t suit everything, but 30fps in a 24timeline gives something special. No one would call it slow motion because it’s not, but it’s softer (if that makes sense).
You're such a big inspiration for me. You know you're watching the right videos when even the talking head portion- from the set, the grade, the entire look is just phenomenal.
You're beyond talented, never stop shooting Ryan.
Eureka! This dreamy look/feel is exactly perfect for something I’ve got brewing and I never would have thought of it. Thank you man! 🙌
Going to try this on one segment of b-roll for my channel, thanks!
I can definitely agree with this. I've shot on the EOS R for years and if I shoot in 4K the highest I can go is 30fps. And it looks smooth while not being that super slowed down footage that let's you know you're watching slow mo. It's like an optical illusion that does not take the view out of the real time emersion but still can take a few little jitters from the footage.
I shoot all my drone footage at 4K 30 because it's the highest it goes in 4K, but honestly when slowed to 80% it's perfect.
Yes same dude!
Bunu deneyeceğim çok teşekkür ederim. 30P çekip 24 Kare cıktı almak heycan verici, benim için biraz daha detaylı anlatır mısın ?
This video might have seriously changed my life. DEFINITELY gonna be doing this from now on.
I use this for ALL my music video shoots! I playback the track for the artist at 125% speed, then slow my 30p footage down to 80% to then export smooth dreamy 24p video :)
Do you bring the audio back to 100% (normal speed) after slowing down to 80% FPS when editing? Thanks!
Please how do you Speed the Audio Track ? By Bpm ?
@@cam16filmproductions33 you don’t do it by BPM. You play it back at 125% speed.
@@AndyKingCo yeah. You record at 30FPS with the playback track running at 125%. Then drop your footage into a 24p timeline and play it back at 80% speed, with your original playback audio at its normal speed.
@@09williamsa thank u for the tip
I think this is a B-roll secret no youtuber wanted to clearly tell it out. But you’re a real legend g! Been searching this since 2 years.
Thank you so much! 🙏 Your advice was brilliant. My teacher at University said it was okay to drop my 30fps footage in a 24fps timeline, but as you pointed out, there was something wrong with it. My videos looked choppy and laggy. 😩 Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. It will definitely improve my editing skills. I am grateful for your advice as it will definitely help me improve my editing skills. 😊 I want to thank you for pointing out the mistake in my work. My teacher at MAA University had suggested that it was okay to drop my 30fps footage in a 24fps timeline, but as you pointed out, it was causing problems. My videos were appearing choppy and laggy. 😔 Your knowledge and expertise in the field of video editing have been very valuable to me. Thanks once again for your help in improving my editing skills. 🙏🤗
I just love how the internet as a whole has refused to acknowledge the existence of the PAL standard.
Honestly very true. I apologize 😅
@@RyanKao It also refuses to acknowledge most displays are still 60hz playback all the 24fps youtube videos judder.
I live in Aus, so PAL is life
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@@SyamaMishra thank you! That true but the most people don't think about it!
Not gonna lie, i saw the title to this video and thought "here we go again, someone else claiming 30fps is better than 24fps" lol but this is a great tip! 100% trying this out
Yooo thank you Juan!!
Funny, I though I was going to see an explanation of why you should not deliver 24fps content to a 60fps platform. No dice.
I appreciate the irony at 1:26 where we acknowledge that cadence errors make things "look a little bit off", then proceed to take footage recorded at 1:1 cadence and send it to UA-cam to display at 3:2.
Pretty shots though. Thanks.
@@Team_Woot lol no one's reading all that
@@Team_Woot is it true? Doesn't youtube playback at whatever the framerate was set to? Does it really do apulldown conversion for 24fps?
@@flowportal No, UA-cam isn't doing any conversion, it is delivering the 24 fps video. It is your phone/computer that has issues displaying it. If your phone/laptop/monitor is 60hz refresh (probably 90%+ are) then it can only display images for multiples of 1/60 of second, so 1/60, 1/30, 1/20, 1/15... So when it encounters 24 fps it alternates between 1/20 and 1/30 display times. That averages out to 1/24 but the even number frames are displayed 50% longer than the odd number frames.
The RTINGS guys explain this really well, provided you can handle extreme French-Canadian :) ua-cam.com/video/CuEZIJDEQyo/v-deo.html
You can download their test pattern and try it yourself.
Was expecting someone to talk about how 30fps is better than 24 fps because the 24fps jitter on youtube is annoying af, but guess this was just a video on 30fps b-roll for 24fps videos 😞
Yes!!!! Some one finally revealing it publically
Soap opera effect is old school....now everyone shoots at 30fps
It’s seriously really fun to shoot in…
Daniel Talked about this long time ago never really gave it much thought but these examples are really good. BTW the color grade on the b-roll is absolutely 🔥🔥🔥 damn man it’s good
Yea you should try it sometime Dobo LOL
Thank you. It's interesting to me, that this feels better than slowed 60fps footage.
I have to say.. I am a Fan for a while now...
Your Samples and explanations for using 30f is very very appealing and convincing...
Thanks so much!
been shooting 30fps since forever best for live performances
The only problem is when u slow down 30 the sound is off. Do u agree I'm new
30fps is good only for b-roll... It doesnt sounds good for a video when you want it to sync in audio of that specific person you're filming for.
Interesting perspective, ill definitely try this in my cinematics!
Do it man!
This is one of the channels that gave me the courage to start my UA-cam channel 8 months ago about self development. Now I have 1,126 subs and > 900 hours of watch time. I know it’s not comparable with others but I’m still proud I started because I’ve been learning so many lessons that I could haven’t learned without getting started in the 1st place.
Very well articulated. I have been feeling a burnout of slow-mo B rolls myself and also the fact that 60 fps slowed down looks way too slow to keep up with the dwindling attention span of people.
im past 50 and decided to delve into this.. the ongoing decline of attention span. Saw a short documentary and it scared the hell out of me. I think the general assessment was that modern attention span of younger kids is somewhere in the 0-10 second range. they studied why movie trailers seems to almost be strobe lights, and why they need to give away the entire plot in the trailer. when you go to the movies and the trailers play its like sitting in front of a machine gun, bot audio and visually. when two people are talking to each other in a film, we need a camera cut at least every 5 seconds or they lose interest in the conversation. it went on and on but I couldn't believe what I was watching. its scary
Could you guide me to the video@@flipnap2112 ?
@@chinmayasinghrawat4622 yeah let me look back through my history and see if I can find it. was some months back. im sure you could find it though. it was on UA-cam. really quite shocking though. and actually not hard to see. im pretty sure social media addiction has a LOT to do with it. Ticktoc is literally engineered to create rabid time based addiction patterns so..
OMG you have really inspired me, I’ve been so torn about what frame rate to use, I constantly heard 60 is the smoothest and 24 is standard and I was so lost but this, I love the way it looks! Thank you so much.
I have been trying this "light slow-mo effect" on a project and ran into two problems before I got it right.
My process: I shot some stock footage clips at 30fps and in Davinci Resolve I started a new project with 24 fps in the project settings.
On the timeline I right-clicked the clips and under "change clip speed" I changed speed from 100 to 80% and clicked "change". Now - when doing this, part of the original clip is cut off. To prevent this from happening you also have to check the box "Ripple timeline". When you then click "change" you can notice that the clip is stretched out on the timeline and everything you filmed is there. So far so good.
But when I rendered my project and checked the rendered clips, I could se they were still 30fps!! (actually 29,97fps) instead of 24 fps wich I had as project setting.
The solution to this was to also be sure to check the box "Render timeline effects" on the render page under the format and codec options. When re-rendering my project I now could see that my clips were 24 fps.
Also, on the short sequence in your video where we can see how you do it (ua-cam.com/video/cj1FGnV3b9E/v-deo.html) you also have "pitch correction" checked. I was not able to do this as this check-box is gray for me and I don´t know what possible effect it would have...
I´m a beginner on Davinci and maybe things should be done differently, but this is how I did it. I´d be glad to hear your comment Ryan!
Again, thank you for your video Ryan, it was truly inspiring!
"pitch correction" would affect the imbeded audiotrack.
So if audio get slowed down it would normally sound deeper.
To prevent this from happening you "pitch correct" the slowed audio to the same hight as the original, thus making it sound more natural.
Honestly a must use feature if there is talking involved in the clip and lips can be seen. If the lip-movement can not be seen I would separate the audiotrack and cut the pauses to match the video.
If there are only noises it's completely up to you and your creative choice. Deeper sounds of (for example: rolling tires) with a slow-mo-shot can be quite nice aswell.
But I think you understand know what the setting does, so be creative!
thank you for this super useful comment!
Wow that was a great tip. I'm very new to all this and i'm going to use my iPhone 11 as a camera with a gimbal and some simple tools. Let's see what I can come up with
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Thank you so much for this video. I'm new to videography so seeing the difference between 24 / 30 / 60 was very helpful. I love the dreamy look as you described about the 30fps look. I will definitely be incorporating that in my work.
I have the Canon R50 with the Nisi 9mm f/2.8 RF lens and it's been an amazing combo for shooting real estate. The R50 goes up to 4k 30fps without cropping and with this tip, the results are great! 👍
The magic number!
The best number
Colorist here, I've only just discovered your channel and your grading is GORGEOUS.
*cries in European where 30fps just makes everything indoors flicker*
I heard a lot of music videos are filmed in 30p and slowed down and put in a 24 frame time line.
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You're right, it looks hyperreal. And I do quite like this look.
Sometimes when you have big or strong motions in your video, 25 fps (I'm living in Europe) does look too blurry to me. So I wondered about what method I could use to get rid of this without putting out a 30 fps video or getting a weird look in my footage.
But this could be it. As long as nobody is talking to the camera... could be strange at 80% speed. 😂
I love it!! Give it a shot! And yeah definitely not for talking hear stuff lol
25/30 is actually 83.33333%
@@sun-eye That makes no sense, unless you're talking about having people lip-sync to music while recording the video. In that case, if you're slowing the clip down to 80%, you'll want to speed up the music to 125% (not 120%) and it will match up.
Great video. My question is, does reducing the speed of 4k 30 footage to 80% have any effects on synching with real-time sound at all? Forgive me, I'm learning how to edit so this may be a noob question.
Did you figure this out?
@@redhouscv2792 So far, I'm just sticking to matching video and audio sound speeds 😄
It's just that when working with 25fps for linear TV (Europe), it has to be either 25, or s&q at 50/100
UA-camrs tend to be sold on 24fps by other UA-camrs. Outside that world 30fps is still the most common frame rate (at least I’ve never been asked to deliver 24). Yes, only do the 80% thing putting 30fps on a 24fps timeline. Of course shooting 24fps has it’s place, but there are a lot of problems with it that make it less than ideal for content delivered online. Screen refresh rates are a factor here. For commercial clients, delivering the same content on multiple platforms really requires 30 or 60. I know that some wedding shooters like shooting everything in 60, so they have the flexibility of slowing down anything later. My personal projects are all shot in 24, but no client to answer to when my video looks bad on UA-cam. I like your stuff btw!
Well, man, I'm not sure about your requested deliveries, but pretty much every serious protect I've worked with (from documentaries to commercials and short films) were all delivered in 24-25 fps. a-roll shot in target framerate to maintain proper shutter motion blur, b-roll if needed in slowmo is usually shot in rapids (like 120 slowed down to 25 etc). Blackmagic, Arri, Red... you name it. Though a couple of specific projects were shot with very high shutter speed and in slow mo because of the genre. So... idk.
It's because those are Hollywood standards.
As a wedding filmmaker I change frame rates based on what I’m shooting, shooting everything in 60 seems lazy lol
@@bakerfx4968 What frame rate do you export your films in? I always export wedding films in 23.976 FPS.
@@peterfuentes5893 yep same. speeches and ceremony on a-roll are 23.976 because they’ll be shown in real time, b-roll and lovey dovey stuff in 60 fps slowed down
I like the look of 24p, but I'm SOOO used to the traditional broadcast world of 30 fps (actually 29.97 to nitpick) that doing the math to figure out transition lengths, for example (8 frames vs. 10, for 1/3 of a second) throws me off a bit, so I don't tend to use 24 fps timelines.
broadcast is 25 in uk.
Is there a tutorial on how to do this for beginners? I have great 30fps footage I want to play with
This is a solid idea for UA-cam videos & lifestyle content but not for Music Videos or Feature Films. The industry standard will always be 24fps and looks best 🤷🏼♂️
This is so gangster. I'm going to play with this TONIGHT! Thanks for this brother!
Any time man!
Can’t wait to try this out on my next video dude, awesome tip.
As a fellow DaVinci user, is there a difference between slowing the footage down to 80% vs changing clip attributes to 24p?
Sometimes you just gotta choose 60FPS in a bright situation if you don't have a neutral density filter. For indoor lighting 30FPS is pretty doable and help lowering that ISO noise.
To get actual frame rate for Resolve, you should right click the clip, go to clip attribute and change the fps to 24. Anyway, great tips
In final cut just select the clip(s) and hit the time icon then hit automatic speed. This will slow down the footage to whatever the project frame rate is set to.
How about the audio? 30fps on 24fps timeline? Will it overlap?
Yes unfortunately if you slow down the footage, the audio will be unusable
Amazing Video! Never thought about 30fps like that!
Thanks man!!
Fair point! Makes sense... and I have occasional projects where I'll definitely give it a shot.
Thank you Ryan! I’ve never heard of playing back 30fps in a 24 timeline at 80%. Fun to see an original idea and I can’t wait to give it a go. Also I really enjoyed your small motion piece when describing the “pull down” or whatever it’s called tossing frames to jam 30 in 24 full speed. Subscribed to the channel thanks again! TJ Daly
Happy to help!
Can you film an entire event in 30fps, and then once you edit you can decide what stays in real time and then also what scenes are slowed to 80%?
Not that simple.
Ths is awesome. My girlfriend and I are batching videos for our first cookery UA-cam channel. I'll absolutely be giving this a try!!! Thanks for the video.
Good call, and wonderful footage. Like 24fps I also think the 180 degree shutter rule is overstressed when higher shutter speeds can allow for better stabilization in post if you can't use a gimbal etc., especially with new gyroscopic-based stabe.
What is the 180 degree shutter rule?
@@Isaypreachshutter speed = double framer ate for most natural motion blur
Wouldn't slowing 30fps down 80% affect the audio if you're using the one camera for audio as well? (ie pitch)
1. She def got her steps in
2. Those peaches and that lemonade looks good
3. Great video
4. Where’s the peach lemonade recipe? 😂
5. The nails, here for it lol
Haha love this! Peach lemonade tutorial coming soon lol
I'm glad you took the 30 FPS challenge, cause most other videos totally ignore it.
But my Canon has this setting, well, 29. etc, then 59. etc.
30fps is almost always 29.97fps
There is a place for every frame rate and 30 is definitely the least used because doesn’t change much.
Great tip, I'm a beginner so this type of content highlights stuff i haven't even thought about. Thanks a lot!
Glad it was helpful man!
When you use the 80% of 30 fps method, do you use a 1/60th or a 1/48th shutter speed?
I have the same question, did you figure it out?
make it 1/60 for 180 degree rule
Can someone explain slowing down the 30fps to 80% using the Speed option versus using the Interpret Footage option, bringing the 30fps to 24fps. Advantages, disadvantages, same thing? Thank you. 🙏
Hi Ryan,
How do you do when you need to record an interview? Do you use 30fps or do you already record at 24fps?
If you record the interview at 30fps, there's no way to reduce it by 80% on the 24fps timeline because the audio will also reduce by 80% in speed. How do you do in a situation like this?
Congratulations mate
change your timeline/sequence or whatever to 24 fps instead of your videeo
@@DriftRSI don’t understand exactly. What do you mean? Assuming the timeline is already at 24 fps
Love this! Thank you.
Thank YOU
After watching a ton of videos I'm pretty convinced to shoot at 30 or 60 and edit on a 24 timeline with interpreted 80% and 40% footage. BUT. Will I still need to shoot at 24 to have usable audio? Thanks!
What he’s talking about in this video is B roll. Your a roll should match your timeline.
This video was awesome. I think I am going to give it a try on my next cooking video. I always switch to 120fps to show case food but i want to play around with this effect that you talk about. Great info!
Hope it works out great for you!!
It’s almost like 30fps emphasizes an entire moment and 60fps emphasizes a moment with the entire moment.
Sometimes 60fps is cool however boring when you wish the specific slowed down moment would just get over with.
Super cool video! Just noticing this now and definitely going to be incorporating it more.
I used to shoot everything at 60fps (1/60) then edit and export in 30. I think it’s the most versatile way for UA-cam, because if something crazy happens, you can slow it down by 50% in a pinch. But as I’ve worked my way into television, I find myself really enjoying 24 frames with 180° shutter angle. Accessible cameras are typically able to output higher qualities, better colors, and the like when you use 30 or below. Up to preference.
I remember this hack from your drone stuff. Made me shoot in 30 on my old mavic pro back in the day to slow it down to 24.
Does slowing down 30fps work on a 25fps timeline though? Is it better to interpret the footage at 25 instead. Reason I’m asking is I live in Australia and our electricity is 50HZ so high frame rates in ntsc cause flicker in artificial light where as all the PAL frame rates like 25,50,100 work better in this part of the world haha 🤦♂️
Although I hardly shoot in artificial light anyway unless I’m doing weddings
You're the first person I've seen on youtube that has talked about the PAL standard
My man!!! Appreciate this
Someone answer his question
I had this same problem when I was editing a video where I had some 30 fps footage and a lot of 25 fps footage. So i interpreted it to 25 and added optical flow, and after trying a lot of other things decided it did the best for my specific shots.
I'm also Australian and personally I've always just said "screw it" to shooting at PAL-compatible framerates. I rarely shoot under fluoros anyway and the flickering doesn't seem to occur with incandescent and LED bulbs. 60fps all the way for me. Computer monitors and phone screens are mostly multiples of 30fps so the playback is much smoother. Then again, I'm only shooting vlogs, not weddings, so I'm not after a cinematic feel and it's not important if there's a little strobing in a shopping centre or whatever.
But in answer to your question, 30fps should work fine on a 25fps timeline _so long as_ your editing software can support slowing down the footage by an arbitrary amount, since you'd need to slow it by 83.333% (25/30). I haven't tried this myself, but speaking as a programmer, I suspect if your editing software lets you specific a target framerate (rather than a percentage of the original speed) then it should only very rarely have to drop a frame (due to floating point imprecision). However, if your editing software only lets you specify a target speed as a percentage of the original, you better type as many threes as it will let you type, otherwise the limited precision of the number might result in more frequent dropped frames.
Or I might be talking out my arse. As I say, I haven't tried it myself. Some video editors have strobe removal features, so you might try that if your shots are flickery.
Dude, great way of explaining things- thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Hey Ryan, love the look of the final project when shooting at 30fps. I wondered how some people were achieving that. QUESTION - I heard you say people tend to edit in 24fps, but do you still render or export the final project at 30fps or 24fps? That threw me for a loop. :) What's the difference if you edit in 30 vs 24? I don't quite understand that, especially while just working on a timeline. Thanks sir!
Really cool concept. I honestly love this, I'll definitely be playing with this idea. I am quite married to shooting for slow mo. But your not wrong in saying it's a bit overdone.
Why didn't film this whole video in 30fps? Would have been interesting to see. The video is in 24 fps
I don't think he means export in 30fps, he means your cinematic sequences can be shot in 30 and then made to look cool and smooth if you reduce from 30 to 24 using 80% speed. The video you're talking about would be titled "Why you SHOULD set your timeline to 30fps" or "Why you SHOULD export in 30fps!!"
Did you watch the video?
This technique does not work well with shots that have a talking subject, you would have to either slow down the sound as well making it sound weird or have it not be synced to the video. This is for B-roll.
@@lIlIIIIllIllIIIlIlIIIf you play the original footage at 125% speed, then convert it to 24fps, slow it down to 8o% you will end up with the original video speed you started on. Then you just overlay the original audio over it and you are golden.
New sub! Very interesting idea. I’ve been doing this for a long time, and there’s always more to learn. And yes, actually read the description.
Thanks for watching!!
30fps, there is a lot of benefits to 30. One you can pan slightly faster, which is a big limitation in cameras. Also 30 divides nicely into all frame rates and matchs screens for viewers. Even most apps convert your videos to 30. So why do this 24fps just because film did it. Personally I don't like the look of 24fps, it jitters and i can see it.
TOTALLY! That’s my argument. You don’t need the old-school 24p anymore which doesn’t capture motion well at all! Stay in a 30p timeline.
How would you get this look on a 30FPS timeline?
Thank you Ryan...
30fps for slowmo and brolls; ok that makes sense. but what about talking head and what not? wouldn't the advice to shoot 30fps not work?
I had the same question
24 fps of course or what is your normal speed. Test. Shoot.
Thank you. Ive just moved from hitfilm express to DaVinci. I couldnt work out why my footage was juddering.
I did this about a year ago on a fashion video where I didn't want to shoot everything at 60fps. It was perfect for making the "normal' (non slomo) footage still look a bit dreamy.
My cameras (Canon) don't have 48fps, so I'm thinking about trying 50fps to see how I like that look.
Pretty sure this is gonna save my current project! Thank you so much! I actually thought about doing this to save the project so I did a UA-cam search and found this. My intuition was right, it looks dope! Thank you so much!!!
30FPS is applicable for those stayed in NTSC region like US, Japan NTSC.
If youre European or Asian you wanna stick with 25FPS.
The amount of people shoot in 24FPS all over the world causes problem in
the broadcast industry.
Hi, i'm new to filmmaking. I learn most of editing and shooting skills from youtube. And I shoot in 24/30/60fps most of the time and I live in Malaysia. What's the cause or issue with NTSC and PAL differences?
This is a great video! Thx! I do full-time video for a County in CA and have used 30fps for ALL B-Roll, but there is even another reason. If you have recorded the master in 30fps, for commercial B-roll or products, all the local TV stations want 30fps, so if you already have that, how awesome, render it out in 30 and its ready for the tv stations. I am going to be setting this on my Komodo too.
Clicking on this in my recommended, I Expected to skip through and roll my eyes calling out the clickbait, but came away having learned something interesting and new, something I haven’t thought of doing before and that’s dope, thanks :D I’m surprised how the audio is still perfectly usable at 80% speed.
Forget going into slow motion. Just change the clip from 30 FPS to 24 FPS. 💥
I'm shooting a car drifting event this weekend and I'm stoked to add this to what I shoot
Thanks for this suggestion. Will try this out in my next videos😇
30fps slowed down vs natively shot 24 fps. This is a very interesting idea that I hadn’t thought of. I will have to try it out.
180 degree and 24 fps. My favorite topics on the whole internet. 😂
really appreciate this information bro , just got my sony a7s ii
Great to hear! Thanks for watching!
Valuable advise, I will try it on my next weeks trip to Philippines
Please do!!
I like to shoot and export videos in 30 fps for social media. It looks good and natural to me.
Watching you from a long time and must say learned alot from you 😊
Thank you so much for making stuff in soft a lot easier to understand.
Super thorough explanation. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
The amount of extra skill needed to do all that cutting and peeling, smoothly with those nails is impressive.
I have my 1st wedding video shoot in a week. I was going to shoot in only 60 fps. Just saw your video. Now I’m going to be shooting in both 30fps and 60fps and slow it down to 80% and 40% respectively and edit at 24 fps. Hopefully I make statement with this. Thanks a lot.
Hello, I was wondering how this went for you? I'm a beginner film maker and have been wondering this for awhile