Stephen A. PICKS EMBIID OVER JOKIĆ 👀 and GOES BALLISTIC on the NBA's 65-game policy 🤯 | First Take
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- Опубліковано 27 жов 2024
- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith and Chris "Mad Dog" Russo debate if Nikola Jokic or Joel Embiid is the better player. Then, the crew react to Tyrese Haliburton’s comments about the NBA’s 65-game policy.
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Aside from scoring , Joker better at rebounding, assist, reliability, leading and winning 💯💯
Even with the scoring you can say Jokic is better. Embiid currently has a 39% usage rate, Jokic is at 30%. I'm sure if Jokic had the ball dam near 40% of the time, he would average 35 a game too.
Jokic is BETTER scorer look at their stats in the playoffs vs good teams when the real basketball is beong played...
Embiid just statpad more in regular season...Harden 2.0
@@realone296 joker FG59%, embiid 51,9
There are only three things Jokic is worse
first is shooting free throws
Second is rim protection (you could argue he isn't because most hos blocks are written as deflections)
Third is his skin color/not getting calls
@@nemajabakic4546 the man wins 2 MVPs in a row, finals MVP, gets his own commercial (even though he's not marketable), is already being discussed with Shaq after only 1 ring (a narrative white fans started) and y'all still cry he's underrated or not appreciated enough because he's white? Geez. The league literally stopped the ASG draft because our precious Jokic - who doesn't even want to be there - got picked last, and white folks couldn't have that. Man wins two mvps and people still mad he was picked last in an exhibition game he didn't care about 🙄 go cry racism elsewhere
Joker over Embid allllllllll day
From a skill perspective Jokic is better than Embiid even healthy
Not only healthy, the current Jokic is better than the peak level that Embiid will ever achieve. It's funny that Embiid played only once in Denver during his 9 years of NBA career.
I'd pick a guy who is always healthy and can consistently give you a triple double over a free throw marching any day!
A triple double averaging 25+ points. These are no Jason Kidd triple doubles.
“ if he’s healthy” listen dodo
bro if embiid did what jokic did in the playoffs and finals stephen a smith would say embiid is miles ahead of jokic lol dude can be so biased
"free throw marching" lol the word you're looking for is MERCHANT. go read a dictionary
Luka better then jokic averaging a triple double and 30 points lol
Stephen A. Would prefer to die than to pick Joker over Embiid. It doesn't matter if Joker wins another 30 championships, Stephen A will come with the argument "yes but Embiid was never healthy". Man, that's a bad argument
But yet he’ll say kawhi needs to retire
@pedrojunior1834 When was the last time the Nuggets won a championship before last year... mmmmmm . NEVER! They will not win another for another 30+ yrs .
@@eric02156 they'll at least be in the finals this year no in the west is beating em
@@fkscopes
where do the Nuggets sit now ? 4th place in the West! Your history shows how many times nuggets were even a winner in the NBA finals.. once!
@@eric02156 🤣 ok bud and that's relevant how? They'll be 1st or 2nd by the end of the season not that it matters much anyway
C'mon Stephen A. Embiid time and time again disappears come playoff time. Jokic averaged a 30 pt triple double in route to an NBA finals playing against AD, LBJ, Adebayo, KD, etc. Why are we still even having this discussion??
The biggest weakness in Jokic's game is that he's not black.
Thank god he isn't
he would have been hailed as the next wonder of God/GOAT/messiah by the media if he was black.....
I sometimes imagine Jokic and Luka in the blackest skin ever. The media would worship them like Gods. MJ's status would be already overthrown. Luka would be knocking the door. It is funny that even in 2024, skin color matters a lot in American sports.
I’m taking joker over Embiid any day even before the ring
Stephen A said that he would take healthy Ja over Luka..
I wonder why 😅
Exactly.
Don’t think it’s a race thing if that’s what your getting at I think it’s an American thing I mean. Man only speaks about giannis when there’s negative news
Yeah that Stephen a take is crazy but embiid is way more dominant than embiid. It ain't crazy to take embiid over jokic
@@Sup123-d2tEmbiid aint American tho
@@laxus6442 yeah but he’s more American than the others. I mean he can play for America if he wants to
this is proof that no matter where you are in life, certain people shouldn’t be allowed to talk hoops. Stephen A is one of them and should be held accountable for his foreign hate
I completely disagree with you.. I think you should be held accountable for projecting your own hate for Americans.
@realamerican8069 im from baton rouge. im just pointing out that stephen a always seems to hate foreign players and never acknowledges the talent of certain people. just watch countdown last saturday
Jokic is better. SAS only picking Embiid because he’s black.
As a black person, yes, this is correct.
Of course. I love Smith but he does have a clear racial bias. When embiid scored 70 it was a phenomenal game, but when Luka does it even better it’s a disgrace.
I'm white and I pick Embiid too. Is it because of my white guilt or something like that?
The Asian Delegation votes go the Joker.
and especially now selectable with team USA...
which should remove Embiid from SAS's phonetic problem towards foreigners when pronouncing their names...
No one can stop Jokic either. I'd rather have the chubby kid from Serbia, thanks.
Im with mad dog on this. Sorry Stephen A, your wrong.
SAS was always hating on Not-Americans. saying Luka "I dont care about this European kid". Dropped 73 last week.
"Embiid is the best when healthy but he's never healthy" is one of the dumbest Stephen A takes of all time
Embid isn't better. He ducks all teams above 500, only played below 500 teams. He's a fraud
@@jamescoldeyes4426 learn to read. I agree, Embiid is not better hence me calling Stephen A's take dumb.
agree, he also runs that with AD when it's time to kick Luka out of top 5 in the league xD "AD when healthy". At this point I'm just waiting for him to say he was the best in high school but he was never healthy lmao
“He is never healthy so it’s a moot point “… then proceeds to argue his point … lol
But sas says kawhi needs to retire for the exact reason he excuses embiid for
The problem with Embiid is that his scoring average drops considerably in the postseason. So I don’t want to hear "no one can stop him" from Smith. Until he gets it done in the postseason, that point doesn't make logical sense. Titles aren't won in the regular season
Exactly, when real basketball starts Embiid is not that good. Regular season is more of a Globetrotters show than basketball.
take the Flops and Bait away Embiid averages 20 ppg at most
how can Stephan A call Embiid more skilled when Jokic is literally the most skilled center of all time
Cause Jokic is white
He depends what he counts as skilled
@@TheNratbasketball skills
Id say Hakeem is the most skilled but Jokic is the most offensively skilled center. I'll give you that.
@kohsmoger1567 This is probably the only guy that actually watched both people play. And knows what he's talking about. I salute you, sir
An important part of being a valuable player is being durable and available. To your teammates, the paying fans and the general NBA audience. In that, Jokic exceeds embiid by leaps and bounds.
To be the best you have to have it all! Good genes, healthy body, or body not prone to injuries AS WELL! OTHERWISE, you should go and play chess if training and playing has a bad effect on your body! Tough life! 🤷♂️
Racist as always SAS :D When playoffs come Embiid stats everything drops down, 10 years evidence. Jokic`s stats and game raise in the playoffs
Jokic raises his game in the playoffs what true champions do.
That's because Jokic is in hurry to go home to his horses. He wants job done fast
Stephen A on his anti white tour 🤣
Perfectly said ... He is a broken record .. Imagine if Bucks coach was replaced with a white coach ..
My word...You Americans are so weird🤦♂️. Embiid is literally leading the league in scoring and is better defensively than jokic. Picking him over jokic has NOTHING to do with color.
No, he just believes in his brotha. And brotha is always brotha, that means, better than otha
@@ThePimpalaila😂😂😂
@@ThePimpalaila 🤣😂
If Embid has 2 more heads and 4 arms he would be better than Jokic all day. If he had wheels he would be a truck.
🤣🤣🤣
Free throw chissler Embid
😂😂😂👍👍👍
Embiid is a monster no doubt, but Joker is something different. He completely changes the way the game is played.
Jokic>Embiid
No one can stop Embiid?
LoL take a look at his playoffs
injuries like last night are a massive reason why lol, only thing stopping Joel Embiid is Joel Embiid himself
@@kaysheye7784and Al Holford
Embiid is a regular season player, he cried about a regular season award, got it, and promptly planned his week long vacation in Cancun
if denver has no murray, denver won't go far. who is sixers 2nd best player? lol
"Horford" isn't doing anything against a healthy Embiid@@dominoespizza694
SAS said he would take a healthy Embiid over Jokic, he also said that Embiid is NEVER healthy, so SAS would NEVER take Embiid over Jokic.
No one cant stop him, except a 40 year old Al Horford and the second round get SAS off any show
If you reverse the races of these two players but keep everything else the same, SAS would be choosing Jokic instead of Embiid.
You got that right. Shameless on his behalf.
Projecting much 😂
Stephen A Smith has officially lost it
65 games? 60 games? 55? Wouldn't matter, they'll still complain. The best ability is availability. Players should be rewarded for PLAYING. Don't sign contracts with incentives for awards if you can't stay on the court.
Jokic is the best player in the world. Come back to me when Embum gets out of the second round
Giannis is better than Jokic lol
@@kaysheye7784no he's not
@@kaysheye7784maybe on defence but not on offence not even close
Well, defense still matters and was kinda the point @@dewman7477
@@kaysheye7784 Crack is Wack bro bro
Jokic is better at scoring than Embitch, Jokic always scores more in the playoffs compared to embitch and also assists and rebounds more, lets not act like the regular season is not a joke with people scoring 70 every other night
A healthy Emiid can't even score in game 7 last year 😂
💯 Embiid and Harden put on an absolute clinic of playoff meltdowns in that game 7. It was pathetic.
Thank you! Such a horrible take.
Picking embiid over Jokic is like picking drexler over Mike lol
Hate to say it but it may be a race thing.. last year Allstars last two picks was Joker best player in the league and sabonis.
Tripping. Embiid beats jokic every time they play
@@mikeblaze7424exactly. i don’t get the casual fans
@@mikeblaze7424 and did that win him a championship?
@@Bandz6Tendid that win him a finals mvp?
Problem with Jokic for those people-he’s not black.
and yet they call us Africans of Europe out here
Taking Embiid over Jokic is stupid. Embiid is great in the regular season but a choker in the playoffs. Jokic is never a choker. Jokic is obviously better. Jokic should’ve been the MVP in 2023
Season OVERALL VALUE - total points/rebounds/assists:
Jokic 1235 (4th in the League) / 569(3rd) / 423(3rd)
Embiid 1201 (7th in the League) / 384(18th) / 193(55th)
It's not even close for those able and willing to count.
Joker made more steals, deflections, def. rebounds, has better FG% 59 to Embiid's 51,9
Embiid made more blocks, but overall it's not even a competition.
Hope one of these rocket scientists at ESPN will address the facts
did bro really just say the only thing jokic has over embiid is durability?
So you’re telling me people picking a what if player in embiid over a proven player in jokic? This will realistically be a conversation if they’re both proven but it’s not
I'am taking the player with 30/13/10 on 65% TS in the playoffs ans chip and FINAL MVP, over 23ppg and 19ppg on 49%TS in career elimination games, more turnovers than assists, getting EXPOSED on defense game 7 and NEVER passed the 2nd round...
SAS is racist for this...
No one can stop Embiid… except whoever he faces in the POs 😐
except his injuries and the nba 65 game rule
@@sabrevinver4062 lol
Jokic is the best player in the world.
Jokic first in points,rebounds and assist playoff,never happened before in nba history
Stephen also said he would take a healthy ad over doncic and jokic hahahahahahahaha
Nobody can stop Embiid? As I recall the Sixers were eliminated in game 7 last year and he had 15 points.
I’m glad this 65 game minimum is playing a part in embiid chance for all nba!! I feel that Jokic should’ve won mvp last year even if embiid is as dominant as he is (especially versus star and superstar talent)!!! This is blasphemy that Stephen a would excuse Paul George pitiful self for his lack lasted injuries but won’t for kawhi leonard😓 Molly Q. Get him. GET HEM
Don't let Stephen A fool you with this Embiid not scoring is a non issue, we all remember his rant when Joel Embiid had ZERO POINTS against the raptors
Exactly
Shocking that black brother will pick a black brother over white brother. If Embiiiid is healthy. Well, he's not!
I'm black and I wouldnt take embid over jokic
Ah yes, the good ole' "someone I don't like disagrees with me so let's call him racist" argument. As if he didn't vote for Jokic for MVP and has a legitamate opinon. It's not like he said KAT is better than Embiid. Ya'll are acting like Embiid didn't get 30 and 10 for a month straight on a Top 3 Seed. Embiid is a better scorer and a far better defender...you build a defense around Embiid while you hide Jokic; Jokic isn't even a great shot blocker.
The problem is white people can't stand when their poster child isn't given a red carpet by everyone in the media. Y'all hold on to Larry Bird, Pistol Pete, Stockton, Luka and Jokic like they're the most underrated players in the history of the NBA who never get or got any praise ever.
But it's funny how I never hear you all claim "racism" when Stephen A consistently goes at Kyrie, Kawhi, AD, LeBron, KD, Harden, Morant, etc. He brings up their families, personal lives, how much they make, criticizes them left and right, and you all seemingly have no issue there. Never an issue when it's one of us being publicly flogged...but when one of us is a reigning MVP and top two-way player, it's "racist" to say he's better than the untouchable, perfect, Serbian Michael Jordan 🙄
I try to like Emiid but after watching him couple of games, all i saw was falling, floping and shooting from free throw line... Thats terrible basketball.
Here's the man who GOES BALLISTIC on players skipping games because of injuries or related concerns.
SAS blasted players for not being durable. Yet he tries to dwarf one of the most durable NBA superstars with the hypothetical "fully healthy" Embiid.
Stop that "o he's not fully healthy" excuse for Embiid's abysmal post-season track record. It's not like he had proved himself when he was "healthy".
Clown just flat-out contradicted himself in the same segment.
Jokic Vs Embiid...ZzzZzzzz wake me up when Embiid leads the entire Playoffs in PTS/REB/AST (never been done before Jokic did it)
@@Truth.Anonymous ZzzzZzzZzzz...
@@Truth.Anonymouswake us up when Embiid decides to stop ducking Jokic in Denver, he’s been doing that since 2019.
@@Truth.Anonymous And Embiid can’t beat the play offs choker allegations while Jokic is currently a champion with a finals mvp.
Crazy thing is that Jokic is the most efficient scorer to average 15+ ppg in the history of the game and no one ever mentions it
stephen A no one can stop him: Al Horford enters lmao
Steven A picks Embiid, and then talks about how in history all greats played almost whole seasons and missed no games!
How's that had anything with Embiid.
Jokic career games = 643
Embiid career games = 428
Difference = 215
And Embiid was drafted 1 year before Jokic.
I'm convinced if Jokic was on the Sixers there'd be at least a conference banner in Phili
By now? 2 titles, my friend. Joker had to wait until the last year for his teammates. Look at Nuggets roster until the last year. Euroleague players as starting five.
@@NidzadrugarJokic with Jimmy Butler and Ben Simmons would have crush the league.
Ben would be the Premium version of Aaron Gordon playing with Jokic
@@angahbg9089 thats if ben ever plays
@@sabrevinver4062 Ben played then, so his argument stands.
@@Nidzadrugar just imagine joker with buttler
Jokic is literally the only player to lead the entire playoffs and finals in points, assists, and rebounds and this literally happened last year. What the hell is the counter argument?
Embiid is a free throw merchant with week mental resolve he is an in season only
It is soooooooo hypocritical the way everyone is defending Embiid and everyone cooks AD. And honestly I'd take Both AD and Jokic over Embiid in the playoffs. Jokic is a far more overwhelming offensive player than Embiid far far more (watch ECF). Anthony davis is on the other hand a far more overwhelming player defensively (watch his last 2 seasons). Additionally they are both champions being top 2 players on their teams. Embiid is the harden of big men. But go off.
like a knight who can slay 80 men per battle and dies in 10th battle VS a knight who can slay 65 men per battle, will survive until the 20th battle and be ready for 21st.
embiid is better? but he is never healthy?
what we are talking about now is the embiid of the real world. surely embiid can be better in your dreamworld SAS but he aint better than jokic in the real world.
the 100% healthy embiid of your dreams that can last 90+ games a year, i would love to see that. unfortunately we dont have tech yet that can make your videos out of your imagination.
As soon you have to use "if" it's game over brother, you can use Embiid as much as you want but there is only 1 winner.. just the fact that the best player that Embiid beat in the playoffs is Siakam is kinda embarassing a little..
@moratatata Embiid is still the MVP when healthy ...He should have been considered MVP both times that Jokic won... The eye test on greatness of player compared to previous Hall of famers of the past would show you that..
embiid sits out the most games out of him, Jok and Giannis, he is the most rested guy.. he mostly doesn't play on the road to over .500 teams, this year only at oklahoma and boston, 2 fing games and we're almost at all star.. he has good tactic to save his stats ngl but at the end of every year after the playoffs he will look like a clown..@@eric02156
@@eric02156lol another casual fan talking about the "eye test" 😂😂
@@eric02156EmBITCH got NO back to the basket game just SOFT jumpshooting, thats why he CAN'T score in the playoffs...plus he SOFT , scared of the moment, PJ Tucker had to scrrem into his face to shoot in game 6...lol...
He just stat pad and has all time high usage in regular season...Harden 2.0
@@Gdfsandoz I get these casual fans coming at me all the time.. lol . I mentioned the " Eye test" in response to another guy regarding my Embiid opinions as a great player against Jokic and he asked me what was my skin color! ..lol .. 🤣😂 .. I have watch the NBA since 1968 .. I am able to compare players in the NBA no matter what race or nationality they were.. I am a NBA fan and understand players greatness or impact.. Whether they won many championships or not..
Yeah Embiid outplays Jokic in Philly because it's his Super Bowl, it's all he has, and Jokic doesn't care, it's just a regular season game for him.
Of course SAS picked Embiid, I wonder why!! 😂😂
Jokic is far better than Embiid
Put up their career playoff stats and see what Stephen A has to say. Jokic better at everything including scoring in big games.
Embiid in 53 playoff games:
24.0 PPG
10.9 RPG
2.8 APG
3.6 TOPG
46/28/82 FG%/3P%/FT%
Jokic in 68 playoff games:
27.5 PPG
12.1 RPG
7.3 APG
3.2 TOPG
53/41/83 FG%/3P%/FT%
Embiid has ducked good teams all season and stat-pads against garbage teams. He’s everything wrong with the modern NBA and Jokic is 2x the player. Period.
A healthy Embiid vs a healthy Jokic. Problem w that argument is Jokic is A LOT more healthy and plays soo many more games than Embiid.
Healthy embiid is still playoff CHOKER, budy got no back to the basket game, if hus shoot isn't faling he CAN'T score...
Jokic ALWAYS plays better than him in the playoffs!
@@realone296 Jokic has been a playoff beast overall, win that Championship for Denver.
Molly tried to warn Stephen A 😂😂
Embiid takes Jokic over him so much so he's ducking him
How can he duck when he beats jokic everytime they play
@@mikeblaze7424 when they play is the key
@@mikeblaze7424because altitude in Denver favours Jokic and Embiid would be gassed out due to stamina and endurance and thin air. Jokic winning the revenge game in Denver city and outplaying Jokic offensively would hurt Embiid case a little. Now Embiid is definitely out of mvp race because of injury and 65 game minimum requirement
@@JackoVX every time they play
@@dewman7477 embiid would clown jokic in Denver too be glad or you jokic fans would be sad
Embiid is an amazing player, but NO ONE is a BIG MARKET EAST and WEST COAST MARKET SELLER THAN STEPHEN A. He doesn’t even like to talk about any team that isn’t located in New York , Philadelphia, Boston or Miami, or LA LAKERS, CLIPPERS, WARRIORS, than any team between the coasts, because he’s a big market pusher. He doesn’t even talk about the Minnesota Timberwolves who’ve been at the top of the Western Conference longer than any other team in the WEST and been either the first or second best team in the league. The ONLY FACTS STEPHEN A KNOWS is BIG MEDIA MARKETS FILL HIS POCKETS With $$$$$$$$$$. He could careless about promoting any team that’s kicking butts not in his favorite big cities, and he’ll blow his loud horn about those cities as long as it’s making him rich even if that’s at the expense of the other teams in the NBA. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON YOUR STEPHEN A!
JOKIC > Joel Embiid the foul merchant!
It's ridiculous how people still put EMFRAUD in comparison to Jokić! THAT DISCUSSION IS OVER, THEY ALMOST PLAY DIFFERENT SPORTS😂 JOKIĆ IS HIM, joeLLL IS A DUCKING 🐣. Hans is more like Gregg Oden, or KAT, BUT NOT JOKER!!!!
He’s picking a crippled center who gets injured every other game over a 2 time mvp and a nba champion😂. Steven a smith do yourself a favor and get the hell out of the stage and just retire.
Saying stuff like this is why people start questioning about these black analysts being racist. How tf can you say embiid is more skilled than jokic. Make it make sense.
Just say it Stephen A… Because Embiid is black 😅
Same story every year
All these "analysts" sayin Embiid over Jokic is asenine
Lol embid just scored 10 points yesterday 🤣 😅
and got injured along the way
Embiid is the best center right now but he is injury prone.
No he’s not the best lol
SAS is biased and delusional. Jokic was the true MVP last season and to believe Embiid over Jokic is straight up LUDICROUS! Mad Dog "ain't" that "mad" after all!
Jokic is BETTER scorer look at their stats in the playoffs vs good teams when the real basketball is beong played...
Embiid just statpad more and has higher usage in regular season...Harden 2.0
No one can stop embidd😢, Celtics fucked him up last year
"Do you want to go with the reigning finals mvp and best center in the league, or Joel Embiid?"
"Give me Embiid, he could be finals MVP and best center in the league!"
People will get caught up in the spectacle of Embiid in the regular season, but when push comes to shove, he won't get it done come May or June.
Sorry Stephen A Mad Dog Is So Right Jokic Is wayyy better than Embiid!!
Bro taking a flopping freethrow merchant over a 25+ ppg triple double machine💀💀💀 stay offfffff the weeeed SAS
Lmao do u want a player that dominates the game or a player that’s going to win u championships 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Big surprise there ….
He’d never pick a white guy over a brotha
Since you're good with winning. What is embiid's record when playing healthy?? Let's check playoffs too
Jokic and Giannis are better than Embiid!
Why is SAS doing this exactly? It can't be just for debate reasons and he picks the other side right? Your basketball brain is missing if you take Embiid or Jokic...
“If healthy” that should tell you who’s the MVP we can always say “if healthy” that’s part of the game and taking care of your body and conditioning
Stephen A just talking smh
We are talking about the same Embiid that scored 0 one time and SAS almost had a heart attack and was saying; 'x coach might have stabbed somebody', when he had his previous show, so don't give me now the 'unstoppable scoring 10 pts ain't an issue', Jokic has never go scoreless from a game unless he's not playing
Trade Embiid im sick of it
They are pretty close in ability but since Embiid misses so many games I don't know why people think he has a case over Jokic. Jokic has played 47 games this season Embiid 34 Bruh what are we talking about here? Stephen A just reping Embiid cuz he black.
Close in ability? Hell na Jokic >>>>>> Embid
@@yametekudasai40 I agree with you but for purpose of discussion lets just say they are close
Stephen A is drunk 😂😂😂😂
Steven A...Embiid is a prt-time player. Hes been accident-prone his entire season..he is Bill Walton, T-Mac, Kawhi all wrapped in one package!!
Stephen a Smith is the biggest clown on ESPN TV
I would take embiid too. Jokic cant guard air.
Boycott ESPN
Stephen A is losing his mind (atleast whatever he had) because of hanging out too often with Kendrick Perkins.
yeah, cant lose what you dont have
If...if...if...if Mac McClung was 7'2" and 260lbs and could shoot and was healthy and could shoot defense and...and....and.... I would vote for them to be MVP.
Joel Embiid is ducking jokic half a decade
Marc Gasol stopped Embiid and made him cry 0 points