Now I wanna hear Jokics games played each year since 2015. Some of these guys sliding with all these games missed and Jok out here balling day in day out
since 2015-16 his regular season games missed are....2, 9, 7 2, 9 0, 8, 13, 2 this year....no hate i don' t think that's too bad for a dude his size and i don't see him sit out for rest too often if ever. qualifies for post-season awards every year though
even in Haliburtons comments he's like "oh this is so unfair, i guess it means i'll have to take care of my body to be ready to play in that many games, if that's what the owners want, if that's what makes the owners happy" LOL man that is so pathetic hey Tyrese, you have a $245 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT and you think showing up to actually PLAY for all the FANS who actually pay your salary is unfair? you think that's just some mean bosses rule just to milk you dry or something? IT'S LITERALLY THE LEAST THAT SHOULD BE EXPECTED OF YOU, OF ANYONE WHO HAS ANY JOB......TO SHOW UP from his comments, he doesn't even seem to think he should be EXPECTED to play every game, shouldn't be EXPECTED to "take care" of his body to even attempt to be PREPARED to show up man even saying these comments are pathetic doesn't do it justice just insane levels of entitlement from kids these days "give me everything, don't expect anything, constantly praise me and tell me i'm special, the world isn't allowed to offend me" lol the softness knows no bounds
If you are legit hurt then It's not right to punish a guy for getting hurt. Wait until we see guys playing hurt and ending up getting hurt again for the rest of the season and the NBA is going to reverse this rule immediately. Just like when KD tried to play hurt and ended up tearing his Achilles. Edit: And Embiid is now out for the season after tearing his meniscus trying to play hurt. Nice job NBA what an excellent rule you implemented 👏
65 games is 75% of the season.... The fact that people think they can miss more than a quarter of the season and still get rewarded is wild Correction 79%
Haha you can’t even miss 5 work shifts at 20$ an hour job for “ fatigue” without being fired. If you have PTO that’s great and it’s not even always granted. Imagine making 300 million dollars and 65 games to jog and shoot…. You can perform horrible and still get money no matter what! What a spoiled lifestyle.
San Antonio started this whole load management thing - but they had a team full of dudes over 30 and had played deep into the playoffs year after year. It made sense for them. Then everyone else started doing it for 25 year olds who had never made the playoffs.
They did not go far enough. Should have stated if you do not reach 70 games, you need to surrender game checks of 12 games to reimburse fans for not seeing what was advertised.
More importantly we need to get to the root cause of all these injuries. I think Van Gundy pointed it out that technology, nutrition, and recovery is so advanced nowadays compared to the Jordan, Kobe, and Magic/Bird era yet players are getting injured more. Thats the real problem that no one is addressing.
@@x332433physicality doesn’t cause injuries. It’s the speed, height and frequent sudden change of direction. Also, these players start over-straining their bodies from primary school . By the time they reach the NBA, they’re put as much stress on their bodies like a 12 year veteran in the 90’s.
This is a perfect take. Took my 7yr old son to an NBA game and I was praying and hoping that his favorite player was going to be on the court that night. Saved for some time to go to that game, and thank God, the dude played. Sat out the next two after that one. Felt bad for all the parents that were in my shoes for those games. NBA is on the right path, but in my humble opinion it should be 70 games.
While this point is absolutely valid, from an injured players perspective, is it right that they’re forced to have to play games when they’re injured, just so they can reach this arbitrary threshold? Halliburton is an example of a player who’s currently injured, but is reluctantly playing through it just to reach the 65-game threshold, further putting himself at greater risk whilst playing significantly worse when he’s healthy. If I’m paying for a ticket, do I feel that much better that I get to watch an injured star play for 23 minutes, or rather actually have then rest and recover
@@broski2003_yt I probably don’t entirely disagree with you, but I’m not sure if enforcing a 65 game rule is the correct answer. Joel embiid likely would not have won MVP anyway, and it’s forcing players to play through injury and risk worsening them just to hit this arbitrary threshold. Idk if the league benefits from 25 min a night injured Halliburton playing
@@joebidet3606 see all the 65 game rule makes players do is try and achieve that threshold and if healthy for 80% of the season, they will be eligible. If not, and they are injured im sure the league doesnt want injured stars playing, instead hope they rest up and play 65 games the next season
@@dallaslabar3821i think he is speaking about the people playing under 65 games. Some players didn't play even close to that 79%. Maybe KL or PG missed 40% a few years in the last few years.
@@dallaslabar3821 Yeah and think about it. If 30-40% is a contract termination, 20% makes sense to invalidate them of awards. I mean think about it. calling someone MVP when they literally showed up less than 80% of the time? You've got players literally dodging difficult match ups in the "MVP Race" what kind of 'MVP' would it be if they got to remove their bad match ups from their average.
The rule needs to be tweaked. The first time is never perfect but you are now seeing what it can turn into. People who are clearly the winners of certain awards won’t get them due to this restriction. We all know who the clear cut MvP of the league is this season but injuries…either way, if guys are sitting out with no injury then they should Be reprimanded but if you have an legitimate injury then you should be fine and the games shouldn’t count
For real never seen him passionate about this, but he is 100% right players today have gotten lazy and we already proved that load management does not work guys like Joker proved it doesnt and he only missed 10 games in the last 2 seasons
These dudes get paid millions and mad about the owners wanting to get they money worth out of u by playing as many games as possible 😂 this new generation of the nba is a joke..lol
@@Arctanis-vt3hlnah…. These guys get to play a game for a living and all they’re being asked to do is show up. Could you skip 25% of your work days and get rewarded??? Nah the load management was out of control and just became a complete slap in the face to fans
The owners were AGAINST this for years. You know what changed their mind? When Simmons sat out on purpose, then SUED the Sixers when they didn't want to pay and WON!
he really didn't all he showed was that he's a media guy and never played sports to understand what athletes go thru in order to play the game at the highest level
NBA should change the stat titles from averages to totals while they’re at it, averaging 29.9 in 82 games is way more difficult than averaging 30 in 58.
Show up to your job 75% of the time to your 8 hr shift and you wont be working there long. They play a game every 48-72 hrs that only last 2 hours. C'mon now
That’s why I respect the NFL players because they get fcking battered game after game and they are ready to play next week no matter if they are in the playoffs our not they want that money but they want to earn it!!! NBA players feel like they’re entitled to it for doing the minimum it’s pathetic NATIONAL B*TCHING ASSOCIATION
NBA player: I think I rolled my ankle and they're sitting me for a week or two. NHL player: Where is that eff who sent me into the boards, as soon as they stop stitching this gash on my eye up I'm gonna go hit him twice as hard. Entirely different mentalities between them.
Trust me this will start happening in the nfl soon. These QBs and WRs are getting paid so much 💰. Like if the chiefs plays the freaking panthers I trust they could win without Mahomes. Only thing is no coach or GM has the guts to make that call. Maybe it’s for the best.
@@allelitememesaem3916I don’t think Alex Caruso, a good player, is really affected by the 65-game rule. The rule really only affects star players as they are the only players who will win the awards, effectively targeting them.
@joebidet3606 Huh? Yes, Caruso is affected by the 65 game rule. #1 A player that isn't good AND can't play 65 games consistently ain't even staying in the league. So clearly you haven't even begun to think through what you're saying. #2 If a star player can't recieve an award or make All NBA/Defense team due to missing games, that leaves a spot open for someone else. Players who may not be superstars but are formidable in their own right can make the most of this. They want to make sure they suit up for enough games so they can get consideration in those instances and potentially get more money and recognition for themselves. This rule gives incentive to all players who SHOULD strive to be their best and actually play.
@@allelitememesaem3916 there are about 30 awards given for the entire NBA, of course this rule only targets those who are actually candidates to receive them. There aren’t more than about 50 candidates to win them, this rule is clearly targeting certain players in specific situations. Joel Embiid is likely injured for the season, Paul Reed and Mo Bamba are not going to step up and get considered for any award. This is pretty much the case with almost every star in the league right now Financial Fraud is a crime that applies to every citizen equally, but really only applies to those in the position to commit the infraction
He’s had some nasty injuries on the court where you definitely thought he would miss time. His last year in PHX he had a nasty hyperextended knee and played the next game. What a stud
Not saying this bc I’m bias but this is the same reason why I love JB & JT as a Celtics fan one thing they do that a lot of “superstars” Don’t is play game in game out. if they can play they are there. they never had that issue thankfully. And it’s appreciated fasho
@@lazndora2026Yeah man unreal...I think he had something like 7 out of 8 years playing 82 games right? And then one of those years he played like 76 games lol.
On top of that you aren’t working 260 days a year if not more like the common people. Also in this day and age using PTO is looked down upon and if you are hourly you wouldn’t want to use PTO cause you loose out on possibly getting overtime pay. All 82 I say if not injured or dealing with a potential injury. We are expected to go to work when we hurt ourselves unless we are incapable of showing up at all and even if we are sick if it isn’t serious and highly contagious. I wish I could only show up to work hard 82 days for 3 to 4 hours and get payed hundreds of millions to train and practice for the other days I’m not out giving my all in a real game. We need to go back to when pro athletes had to have real jobs when the seasons were over because athletes of today do not appreciate that they get the money they do from the fans that want to see the best play when they pay for a ticket or find the time to watch the game on tv just to find out oh he doesn’t feel like playing he’s going to have a personal day.
@@jackswanson8326well, these guys arent required to show up for games during the off season.... also, I got reprimanded for using my PTO this year at my job. Missing 20% of games is crazy to expect a REWARD.
All the nba did was give 17 vacation days. Sounds like they're getting what the rest of society normally does along with millions. Blue collar works of many professions don't even get that.
Yall act like niggas don’t get hurt excepting somebody to not get hurt outta 82 games is INSANE & thinking 17 days is enough to return from injury is even crazier
When I was in the military, I showed up 10 minutes late like 10 times and got a disciplinary board in front of all of the commands leadership 😂 I WISH I could have not showed up to work AT ALL a few times.
Stephen A has had some outstanding takes over the years, but this here should be kept in a vault somewhere & shown every so often to every modern day athlete & fan. Every syllable of every word he spoke, the way he spoke them was like I was listening to a Professor speak. I have nothing to add 👏🏾
Two things here- 1. I’m glad the rule was set in place, it’s great for the fans who watch on tv and who pay money to go to the arena just to find out the star is sitting out randomly with no documented injury. 2. SAS is right about the in season tournament. Molly acts like she doesn’t understand that 500k is 500k, they want that money.
CEO of a company has an attendance issue at work. He issues a new policy: "Employees who are absent more than 20% of the work year are not eligible for consideration to receive the top-performance based awards and the accompanying monetary bonuses." That seems like a pretty fair policy to me.
I agree the rule is a good thing, but this is a terrible comparison given that this “job” comes with the extreme risk of injury to begin with. If an employee of a construction company missed 20% of the work year because a coworker accidentally crushed your hand with a steel beam, they wouldn’t be exempt from monetary bonuses. Completely different situations, do not compare the NBA to normal jobs.
@@DeckofLiesextreme? There’s coal miners, fire fighters, police officers, armed forced who haven’t missed a day in their life. And when they have they still fight to get back to work because that’s their standard. Standards have dropped in accountability. And players should be heavily punished for not meeting it as the only reason people go to games is to see their talents.
Yeah but athletes are entitled to better things because they're better than the regular joe schmoe. It's not enough that they make millions of dollars for playing a kid's game. Naaaah.
Ah yes comparing you being sick for 1/5 work days is the same as playing a sport that you can be injured for over 10 games at a time yes what a comparison
If your job told everybody there are going to be performance bonuses BUT only for people who don't call in sick more than 20% of the time, I imagine every single one of us would be perfectly fine with that.
umm no i wouldn't? like literally if someone had a cancer or was pregnant and had to miss months that would mean they don't get the money. thats disgusting
@@h0twingzzthere would definitely be an exception to the rule, your average worker in America (especially with the younger generation coming up) calls out more than any other generation before them. Many of them don't even call out because they're sick.
😂ask these guys to rate themselves on 1-5 stars...if they give themselves a 5 star rating, how is it wrong for them to be expected to work 4 of the 5 days expected?? If these guys get paid all this money, they need to show up at least 80% of the time. 😂😂
@@DaMidgewhat player have you seen miss 30 games to avoid an injury with no injury reported ? Y’all literally let the media say anything and y’all believe it 🤣 65 games is 80% of the season 🙄 Joel embiid just won mvp and he got a decent injury history 😒 let me see you go play 7 straight road games in 5 days and see if ya body don’t need some rest 😒 you non athletes always got something to say ain’t never played a real sport in your lives to know what it even takes 🤷🏽♂️
This a rare, vintage Stephen A Soliloquy. Easily one of the greatest I've heard from him in the last decade. Very well put together and articulated, came with history of the game, stats, and parallels to make his point. Didn't spend too much time reiterating things already said and you can tell he fired up about it because he doesn't personalize much, if it at all. He's focused and direct. Truly a treat this morning. This is why he's one of the GOATs in Sports Broadcasting.
the NBA is still allowing them to miss 17 games, which equals over 3 vacation weeks for the average U.S. worker, over six months. Not 12 months. Six months.
Please stop comparing the average job to sports. That's the problem - the average person is jealous, which is where much of this comes from. If you're arguments start with, "We'll my job would never allow that", just stop talking.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl i won't. here's why: NBA and other pro sports rely heavily on the average person to be worth the millions they generate. without the average job and the average person, NBA players wouldn't have millions.
THANK YOU MADDOG! For Halliburton to say it’s what the owners want is disingenuous, ITS WHAT THE FANS WANT. I’m going to my first ever nba game next week. Bucks vs Wolves if more than one of Ant,giannis,towns,or dame don’t play I WILL NEVER go to a game again.
On the plus side I can tell you that if Ant or KAT miss the game they are legit injured. Cos those two dudes have never done load management (Ant in particular is against it)
I went to the Sixes and Kings game and both Harden and Embid didn't play just off coaches decision. Me and my cousin was pissed and we didn't give af that Maxey went off for 40 we came to see yall and yall basically just didn't wanna play
The lack of physicality causing load management and injuries. Players were more resilient in a more hard hitting game, because the were need to work on their body to endure this physicality. Now with the high pace no contact ball players are not putting the emphasis on strength, and therefore are more fragile.
Most injuries these days are leg injuries, not contact injuries. Players have to run way farther now due to the 3 point era, which likely puts much more pressure on joints. The old heads would get injured just as much in today's league.
This is not about the owners but the fans. The fans were complaining, the TV networks that had a deal with the NBA were complaining, so the owners had to do something to make players play. 65 games is just about right.
The only ones that don’t have to worry are the ones with legitimate injuries. The only ones who complain are the ones that sit out with no legitimate reason. Like when Ben sat out his entire first season with the Nets and still fought to get his money, like, what? Never in my life have I ever seen a job pay you for not working/doing your job 🤦♂️
I feel like the same applies to Embiid right now. He was hunting for (and playing at) the MVP and was banged up, but he knew he was closing in on the games missed limit so he played anyway. Messed up his meniscus and now will miss significant time and won’t have the shot at repeating. It’s unfortunate 🤷🏻♀️
@@burrybondz225 The problem with Tyrese though is he's bitching about owners for sympathy when he knows this is what fans want, but he's not brave enough to say anything about what the fans want, so he tries to make it look like he as a millionaire is being oppressed by the billionaires.
It's not what REAL fans want because rest as recommended by the trainers is what's best for the future of the players on your team. It's what casuals want.
@@randumo24 Cry for the millionaires taking it easy. While the REAL fans pay lots of money for tickets or NBA Season Pass to watch them. Suck it up and go to work like everyone else.
@@randumo24you sound like the casual spewing illogical nonsense. Trainers didn't make the NBA popular - players did, and they did it by PLAYING THE GAMES. Dude said listen to the trainers like playing more games will kill you 😂 Softy
Some of these dudes missing the point these star players missing games isn’t solely on them… These people are protecting their investments.. I love the new rule it ensures the RIGHT folks get paid guys like Russ & Mikel Bridges would have been eating off this rule…
First thing I've agreed on with SAS if about 2 years. 65 games is only 79% of the season. It's 20 minutes as well so that's not even a full game. You can play 65 games of 20 minutes and qualify; totally fair.
Even if you’re historically great in 64 games you’re arguably not more valuable to your team than a guy who’s really, really good for 80 games. Cos you’re team is now an underdog in 20% of games cos you sat them. 64 games shouldn’t be an all star for precisely that reason.
Kobe used to talk about why he played through so many injuries and that was because of people who might only be able to afford to attend one game a season and how he felt he'd be robbing them by sitting out if he felt that if he could play. Name any other profession where you can miss more than 75% of days per year and your employer doesn't penalize if not fire you?
@@Dre384 Maybe but highly unlikely since he went on record as being a student of the game and that Jordan was the one he was reaching for. It's clear as day since Jordan said the same thing. All you had to do was look at Kobe and see how he patterned all things Jordan. It's not a slight and a bad thing but just factual as to the facts that Kobe looked up to Jordan and wanted to be like him.
@@jmgonzales7701 There wasn't as much movement in the game back then compared to now, with all the stop and go tthat you see nowadays, combined with the AAU system making them play too much gale at an early age. Ans also a lot of the older player had coke or other drugs in them look at the Barry Bonds era
I like Haliburton, but I think they should raise it to 70 minimum tbh. As a kid we played through rolled ankles and strained shoulders just for the love of the game... if you can't roll outta bed for 65 out of 82 games for 50+ million...maybe you are not cut out to be a professional NBA player..
@@ocampbell1954not the point and most of these mfs is soft. They get all this money to play so play it’s really that simple because if their audience leaves they have no millions they will keep testing their audience
The best ability is availability. Part of what makes an MVP is being there to play. The endurance test that is the season is done exactly for this reason. Lots of players can't play 65 games. But thats part of what separates the good from the great.
@@randyp8849yea IF he gets injured. No one is against the players that actually get hurt. They’re against the ones who aren’t hurt that sit out just to rest and load up
And this is why they call this era of the league soft. Iverson barely 6ft may have weighed 185 pounds who knows. They showed a picture of him one game and he had like 12 current injuries all through the year and wasn’t missing any games and dude was getting 40 when he wanted too. This era of NBA is soft. They want to be allowed to scored rather than earn a bucket and the defense gets punished for being to physical. Granted these guys today are super talented but it’s one sided. It’s just make the games hard to watch sometimes.
I think the NBA is a perfect experiment that proves people can’t be happy no matter what. The fact that these players are living beyond the wildest dream lives and still manage to complain proves the ideal society isn’t possible.
Took a quick look at basketball reference. 7 NBA MVPs have played less than 70 games. Of those 7, only two played less than 60: Bill Walton (58) and Karl Malone (who won it during the lockout year with 49 games played). My point: if 65 games is not a fair number, I don't know what is. Yes, injuries happen, but you can't claim to be the best for a whole season when you play less than 80 percent of the season.
Exactly. What other profession can you take 20% of work days off without losing your job? Yet there are some players complaining about having to "take care of their bodies". Which is something that should be done anyway. I'm not suggesting play basketball at a professional level is easy, but if I made over $250 million, I wouldn't be complaining. In fact I would want to be on the court whenever I could.
I agree with SAS. One of the points he didn't touch on is that in the 70's, 80's, and 90's the game was much more physical than it is today. Therefore, they had legitimate reasons to miss games but they played anyway. Today's league is not very physical, so it makes it even worse that players are missing so many games.
The pace is faster today, but you get hammered every night in the 80s and 90s. Brooks hitting Lebron in the face would've been a common foul even in the early 2000s.
@@Jerm0116 So does not being able to get surgery. Mickey Mantle played a full baseball career on a torn ACL. Imagine if guys like that had todays medical care
Literally here in BK, a certain player has cost the team so much salary room and yet we barely see him even when he was in Philly. For Nets fans, and the organization, it’s tough to buy a ticket and expect to see a no-show.
Tyrese has been injured which is why he said that. He wants to play as much as he can but he has to rush back in order to be eligible to get his compensation
Sooooo glad Mad Dog brought up where this actually started. Popovich sitting his players and scratch reason being “old”. Injury aside, I agree the players abused the load management idea.
NBA tickets are hundreds of dollars and fans are quite literally paying the price of admission to watch the stars. Fans don't know if the star player will even play until 20 minuets before the game, yet they are still subjected to paying the price as if they are. The league has literally set it up so players are still able to miss SEVENTEEN games and still be eligible for awards and then contract incentivized monster paydays, and the players are still out here complaining. Show up to work if you want to be payed. Not everyone can be a max player, do yourself a favor and play basketball if you want to ensure that.
@sedohama: Kawhi has degenerative knees, so I wouldn’t call him the bad apple. Though I can see why some might think that, the man gets injured almost every year since like 2017.
Totally agree. This has been one of the best regular season I've seen in a long time cos everyone is playing and playing hard. They gotta work for that bag
that's literally what fan do y'all don't even go to work everyday but want NBA players who work extremely hard to cause you spend most your money to see them sound like a personal problem honestly
Best rule the nba added. It’s about time the players be held accountable to show up and perform.
Especially with what contracts are looking like in the 21st century
I remember Kobe saying the reason he would go out there hurt. "What About The Fans Who Saved Up To See Me Play Just Once"
MJ said the same thing
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shows modern NBA players dont care about the fans, only their contract money.
Westbrook said the same thing
Kobe was capping cuz he chose not to play in front of philly years ago when ai was there
SAS straight up COOKIN’ right now bruh. This take is incredibly solid. Wow
He’s a pos race baiting coward
Facts, maybe his best take ever. I hope all the players see this
Definitely. He gets lots of hate at times and deservedly so. But he was spitting facts on this topic
You could have said this with 1 sentence, he took 5 mins to scream like B.
This is the reason why he get the big bucks
Now I wanna hear Jokics games played each year since 2015. Some of these guys sliding with all these games missed and Jok out here balling day in day out
Fax, I think he missed like only 1 game this season
@@aleksandarobradovic8171 I think it's 2 or 3 after the 1 last week. Still that's incredible.
Joker is too slow to get injured. Man dominates while playing some old man ball.
since 2015-16 his regular season games missed are....2, 9, 7 2, 9 0, 8, 13, 2 this year....no hate i don' t think that's too bad for a dude his size and i don't see him sit out for rest too often if ever. qualifies for post-season awards every year though
NBA players abused it. They had to adjust
It there fault 😂😂😂
P diddy
They were definitely taking advantage of it.
even in Haliburtons comments he's like "oh this is so unfair, i guess it means i'll have to take care of my body to be ready to play in that many games, if that's what the owners want, if that's what makes the owners happy" LOL man that is so pathetic
hey Tyrese, you have a $245 MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT and you think showing up to actually PLAY for all the FANS who actually pay your salary is unfair? you think that's just some mean bosses rule just to milk you dry or something? IT'S LITERALLY THE LEAST THAT SHOULD BE EXPECTED OF YOU, OF ANYONE WHO HAS ANY JOB......TO SHOW UP
from his comments, he doesn't even seem to think he should be EXPECTED to play every game, shouldn't be EXPECTED to "take care" of his body to even attempt to be PREPARED to show up
man even saying these comments are pathetic doesn't do it justice
just insane levels of entitlement from kids these days
"give me everything, don't expect anything, constantly praise me and tell me i'm special, the world isn't allowed to offend me" lol the softness knows no bounds
It’s still abusive and too late
If you can’t even play at least 65 games you really don’t deserve anything, i like the rule
Know what else I want defense and refs calling calls like travel and carry and I want the zone out man up bring back the iso
If you are legit hurt then It's not right to punish a guy for getting hurt. Wait until we see guys playing hurt and ending up getting hurt again for the rest of the season and the NBA is going to reverse this rule immediately. Just like when KD tried to play hurt and ended up tearing his Achilles.
Edit: And Embiid is now out for the season after tearing his meniscus trying to play hurt. Nice job NBA what an excellent rule you implemented 👏
@skillethead15 agreed but more gas to be done for load management. Or late scratches after fans pay hefty ticket fees
What about when the players are actually hurt? Yall don't think anybody ever gets hurt in a sport? Lmfao
I thought today’s players were bigger, faster and stronger than the plumbers 🤣
65 games is 75% of the season.... The fact that people think they can miss more than a quarter of the season and still get rewarded is wild
Correction 79%
Then to act like it’s a crime to play 65 games is even more wild. What you wanna play 50 games?? Shits gettin ridiculous
Haha you can’t even miss 5 work shifts at 20$ an hour job for “ fatigue” without being fired. If you have PTO that’s great and it’s not even always granted. Imagine making 300 million dollars and 65 games to jog and shoot…. You can perform horrible and still get money no matter what! What a spoiled lifestyle.
Yeah that’s correct if u choose to sit but if it’s because of legitimate injury then it’s different
I can’t believe nobody corrected you. Its almost 80%
He’s five percent off. Either way, most Americans would be fire if they missed 20%.
San Antonio started this whole load management thing - but they had a team full of dudes over 30 and had played deep into the playoffs year after year. It made sense for them. Then everyone else started doing it for 25 year olds who had never made the playoffs.
A timestamp being called “Stephen A’s still going”’is funny af 😂
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😂😂😂
That's literally one of the best rules they ever made 😭💀
Flop rule but not emphasis enough still
Literally
No playse who supestar who get injured not there fault lol. The only people who load manage is kawaii kyrie embeid
@@gorcsauce696 Who tf are those people
They did not go far enough. Should have stated if you do not reach 70 games, you need to surrender game checks of 12 games to reimburse fans for not seeing what was advertised.
Literally getting paid millions and can’t play at least 75% of the season is crazy 😂😂😂😂
hundreds of millions!
And they get 4-5 months off, depending on if the team makes the playoffs or not. Players today are soft
@@sokit2em I know right off 4-5 months...ima tell my supervisor ima load manage myself Mon and Tues just because...(Fired!)
What's crazy is thinking they get 4-5mnths off... When they train and have to follow strict regiments til their career is over
It's a lot of games bro not to mention an extremely intense game
I’m often critical of some of Steven A’s takes, but this is outstanding. 👏🏼👏🏼
Change salaries to a per game basis, then we’ll see who load manages
shoooot, I'd be going for overtime every time 😂
😂😂😂😂
More importantly we need to get to the root cause of all these injuries. I think Van Gundy pointed it out that technology, nutrition, and recovery is so advanced nowadays compared to the Jordan, Kobe, and Magic/Bird era yet players are getting injured more. Thats the real problem that no one is addressing.
@@alcoballic9593 and seeing that there's less physicality is even more baffling
@@x332433physicality doesn’t cause injuries. It’s the speed, height and frequent sudden change of direction.
Also, these players start over-straining their bodies from primary school . By the time they reach the NBA, they’re put as much stress on their bodies like a 12 year veteran in the 90’s.
One of the best takes I've heard from SAS.
He actually has good takes. Just don't let him make any predictions, that's where it all goes south lol
@@eNVy_SiNz Nah, his takes are horrible most often than not.
@@eNVy_SiNzhe always right about the cowboys 😂
I’d argue this is his best take
Why is he sas about it? He said true
This is a perfect take. Took my 7yr old son to an NBA game and I was praying and hoping that his favorite player was going to be on the court that night. Saved for some time to go to that game, and thank God, the dude played. Sat out the next two after that one. Felt bad for all the parents that were in my shoes for those games. NBA is on the right path, but in my humble opinion it should be 70 games.
While this point is absolutely valid, from an injured players perspective, is it right that they’re forced to have to play games when they’re injured, just so they can reach this arbitrary threshold?
Halliburton is an example of a player who’s currently injured, but is reluctantly playing through it just to reach the 65-game threshold, further putting himself at greater risk whilst playing significantly worse when he’s healthy.
If I’m paying for a ticket, do I feel that much better that I get to watch an injured star play for 23 minutes, or rather actually have then rest and recover
@@joebidet3606 if you're injured for more than 20% of the season, how ever good you've been u dont deserve it
@@broski2003_yt I probably don’t entirely disagree with you, but I’m not sure if enforcing a 65 game rule is the correct answer.
Joel embiid likely would not have won MVP anyway, and it’s forcing players to play through injury and risk worsening them just to hit this arbitrary threshold. Idk if the league benefits from 25 min a night injured Halliburton playing
The players aren't volunteering to miss games. The coaching and training staff makes that decision
@@joebidet3606 see all the 65 game rule makes players do is try and achieve that threshold and if healthy for 80% of the season, they will be eligible. If not, and they are injured im sure the league doesnt want injured stars playing, instead hope they rest up and play 65 games the next season
You can't miss a 30-40% of a season for multiple seasons and still have a big contract in baseball or football.
65/82 is 79.3% though
@@dallaslabar3821i think he is speaking about the people playing under 65 games. Some players didn't play even close to that 79%. Maybe KL or PG missed 40% a few years in the last few years.
@@dallaslabar3821 Yeah and think about it. If 30-40% is a contract termination, 20% makes sense to invalidate them of awards. I mean think about it. calling someone MVP when they literally showed up less than 80% of the time? You've got players literally dodging difficult match ups in the "MVP Race" what kind of 'MVP' would it be if they got to remove their bad match ups from their average.
Anthony Rendon doesn’t even play 30% of the season for the Angels lol
The rule needs to be tweaked. The first time is never perfect but you are now seeing what it can turn into. People who are clearly the winners of certain awards won’t get them due to this restriction. We all know who the clear cut MvP of the league is this season but injuries…either way, if guys are sitting out with no injury then they should
Be reprimanded but if you have an legitimate injury then you should be fine and the games shouldn’t count
One of the absolute best takes by Stephen A.
For real never seen him passionate about this, but he is 100% right players today have gotten lazy and we already proved that load management does not work guys like Joker proved it doesnt and he only missed 10 games in the last 2 seasons
Facts!!!!
These dudes get paid millions and mad about the owners wanting to get they money worth out of u by playing as many games as possible 😂 this new generation of the nba is a joke..lol
Stephen A with a 43/14/8 stat line. This was a phenomenal take
more like 1.5 points a game in his first game. This was a horrible take.
43 spit drops, 14 slaps on the desk, 8 Mollies
@@Arctanis-vt3hl when you look at the comments and realize that everyone but you agrees with this take😐
@@Arctanis-vt3hlnah…. These guys get to play a game for a living and all they’re being asked to do is show up. Could you skip 25% of your work days and get rewarded??? Nah the load management was out of control and just became a complete slap in the face to fans
Just give him the Triple Double bro lol
I love that they cut mollys rambling at the end.
Molly is awful. Her voice is also piercing to the ears
I’ve never agreed more with SAS!
Say it louder sir
The owners were AGAINST this for years. You know what changed their mind? When Simmons sat out on purpose, then SUED the Sixers when they didn't want to pay and WON!
So mental health doesn't matter okay buddy
@@AntonioOjeda-b5swhat was his mental health issue? Missing shots?
@@AntonioOjeda-b5s you must be trolling. He didn't have any mental after he got to the Nets all of a sudden, how do you explain that?
@@AntonioOjeda-b5sBen Simmons only mental health issue was Trae Young 😂
@@AntonioOjeda-b5show lonely is the ‘defend Simmons’ island
My God Stephen A absolutely cooked on this segment, bravo👏
I agreee and he’s aboulsety riteee on this💯💯✅
He really did. A 5 star gourmet meal too
he really didn't all he showed was that he's a media guy and never played sports to understand what athletes go thru in order to play the game at the highest level
Came with the facts instead of the opinions.
@@njabulomkhize1130 word
You seem to have forgotten the biggest problem of them all... Ben Simmons lol
Lol bro it’s 2024 no one even thinks about ben simmons, ur comment is a little outdated
It's not ben Simmons lol. No one shows up to a game to see ben Simmons. The problem is guys like embiid and leonard
Bens a childhood friend, we still catch up when he comes back home.
You really have no idea, what really went on. But keep listing too ESPN Puppet.
@@Quickstepz-OGHe’s a tall millionaire that’s not good at basketball
@@Quickstepz-OGsure bud…and I just got back from hanging out with Ariana Grande
They don’t want to play 65+ games but want to get paid max dollars. FOH
fans regular season dont matter also fans we want players to play 80 games every year
lmao
Thank you these players are tripping 😂😂😂
@@MoonIronTRstop it the idea that regular szn don’t matter comes directly from the players and media
The fans just assimilated
Meanwhile, most regular people can’t even get two weeks vacation lol.
@@MoonIronTR
Those aren’t season ticket holders, or anyone going to games.
One of SAS best rants ever, this generation of players have taken the fans and the game for granted.
Modern day NBA fans opinions and perspective has ruined the game
@@shaker027There's no justification for these dudes not showing up to work.
Only if you are one of the players affected, you would think it's a stupid rule. Majority of fans find it fair.
imagine thinking that being expected to SHOW UP FOR WORK is an unfair expectation lol couldn't even make up this level of softness and entitlement
I'm not convinced by those arguing, based on WHO'S arguing!!
Anthony Edwards isn't arguing.
Jokic isn't arguing.
What if you get sick?@@mattcarberry368
NBA should change the stat titles from averages to totals while they’re at it, averaging 29.9 in 82 games is way more difficult than averaging 30 in 58.
Show up to your job 75% of the time to your 8 hr shift and you wont be working there long. They play a game every 48-72 hrs that only last 2 hours. C'mon now
As someone who’s mainly an NFL and NHL fan this is almost incomprehensible.
That’s why I respect the NFL players because they get fcking battered game after game and they are ready to play next week no matter if they are in the playoffs our not they want that money but they want to earn it!!!
NBA players feel like they’re entitled to it for doing the minimum it’s pathetic
NATIONAL
B*TCHING
ASSOCIATION
Slave leagues.
I actually take back what i said about the nhl because i'm unfamiliar with their systems.
NBA player: I think I rolled my ankle and they're sitting me for a week or two.
NHL player: Where is that eff who sent me into the boards, as soon as they stop stitching this gash on my eye up I'm gonna go hit him twice as hard.
Entirely different mentalities between them.
Trust me this will start happening in the nfl soon. These QBs and WRs are getting paid so much 💰. Like if the chiefs plays the freaking panthers I trust they could win without Mahomes. Only thing is no coach or GM has the guts to make that call. Maybe it’s for the best.
Stars were missing national televised games. I'm happy the NBA cracked down on this.
So discriminate against stars? Something called about equality in the workplace. I’d rather see them sit then missing games due to being rg3’d
@@steveprefontaine5977 What are you talking about? The rule is for everyone not just stars
@@allelitememesaem3916I don’t think Alex Caruso, a good player, is really affected by the 65-game rule. The rule really only affects star players as they are the only players who will win the awards, effectively targeting them.
@joebidet3606 Huh? Yes, Caruso is affected by the 65 game rule.
#1 A player that isn't good AND can't play 65 games consistently ain't even staying in the league. So clearly you haven't even begun to think through what you're saying.
#2 If a star player can't recieve an award or make All NBA/Defense team due to missing games, that leaves a spot open for someone else. Players who may not be superstars but are formidable in their own right can make the most of this. They want to make sure they suit up for enough games so they can get consideration in those instances and potentially get more money and recognition for themselves. This rule gives incentive to all players who SHOULD strive to be their best and actually play.
@@allelitememesaem3916 there are about 30 awards given for the entire NBA, of course this rule only targets those who are actually candidates to receive them. There aren’t more than about 50 candidates to win them, this rule is clearly targeting certain players in specific situations.
Joel Embiid is likely injured for the season, Paul Reed and Mo Bamba are not going to step up and get considered for any award. This is pretty much the case with almost every star in the league right now
Financial Fraud is a crime that applies to every citizen equally, but really only applies to those in the position to commit the infraction
Makes me appreciate watching a player like Mikal Bridges cause he never miss a game in his career.
He’s had some nasty injuries on the court where you definitely thought he would miss time. His last year in PHX he had a nasty hyperextended knee and played the next game. What a stud
@@teelowteelow356as a nets fan I couldn’t be happier
He did when the nets sat him 🤣🤣🤣
Not saying this bc I’m bias but this is the same reason why I love JB & JT as a Celtics fan one thing they do that a lot of “superstars” Don’t is play game in game out. if they can play they are there. they never had that issue thankfully. And it’s appreciated fasho
Yep
I remembered when people laughed when SAS saw this coming . They’re taking steps to make sure players play. Give ‘em props
Facts lol
He gave the league the idea
Nobody laughed idiot
They went crazy this episode 🫡💯🤣🤣🤣
That stat is ridiculous. Makes you wonder how many games Stockton was legitimately injured but still played. Insane.
I think he only missed 50 games out of his 19 year career🙌🏾😂
@@lazndora2026Yeah man unreal...I think he had something like 7 out of 8 years playing 82 games right? And then one of those years he played like 76 games lol.
How much money do they need??? Sorry. I have to go to my REAL job getting minimum wage
@@lazndora2026he missed 22 games his whole career
I heard he went to the chiropractor 3 times a day when he played
Imagine thinking you’re going to be employee of the year if you missed work 20% of the time. You would be fired.
Some people have about that amount of PTO.
@@jackswanson8326exactly.
On top of that you aren’t working 260 days a year if not more like the common people. Also in this day and age using PTO is looked down upon and if you are hourly you wouldn’t want to use PTO cause you loose out on possibly getting overtime pay. All 82 I say if not injured or dealing with a potential injury. We are expected to go to work when we hurt ourselves unless we are incapable of showing up at all and even if we are sick if it isn’t serious and highly contagious. I wish I could only show up to work hard 82 days for 3 to 4 hours and get payed hundreds of millions to train and practice for the other days I’m not out giving my all in a real game. We need to go back to when pro athletes had to have real jobs when the seasons were over because athletes of today do not appreciate that they get the money they do from the fans that want to see the best play when they pay for a ticket or find the time to watch the game on tv just to find out oh he doesn’t feel like playing he’s going to have a personal day.
@@jackswanson8326well, these guys arent required to show up for games during the off season.... also, I got reprimanded for using my PTO this year at my job. Missing 20% of games is crazy to expect a REWARD.
@@DC90SBI don’t agree with load management. It’s a joke. YOU sir, sound like a worker bee tho
Never heard SAS speak so much sense for 10 minutes straight
So much coonery for 10 straight minutes
It blew my mind that he could actually be honest for once
You must not watch enough first take then
All the nba did was give 17 vacation days. Sounds like they're getting what the rest of society normally does along with millions. Blue collar works of many professions don't even get that.
I thought the same. his mist cohesive take in a long time.
So you basically have 17 off days out of 82? And that is an issue? That’s crazy.
Bro the NBA has to be the most babied league. No other league does this stuff happen
I agree. It's so soft@@AppleJacksCereal
they already have roughly 100 off out of 180 days. It's at least 17 on top of the 100. On top of the off season which can be as long as 5 months.
Most people don't even get more than a week of vacation and these millionaires are complaining about showing up to work 80% of the time 😂
Yall act like niggas don’t get hurt excepting somebody to not get hurt outta 82 games is INSANE & thinking 17 days is enough to return from injury is even crazier
This is a slap in the face to people who really go to work and have to get it from the mud. Smmfh.
For pennys
No it’s not
When I was in the military, I showed up 10 minutes late like 10 times and got a disciplinary board in front of all of the commands leadership 😂 I WISH I could have not showed up to work AT ALL a few times.
They invested their time better
@@HenryThe12 ah the DRB mark out session. crazy times lol
It really sucks when you pay for tickets as an nba fan to see your favorite players for them just to sit out
Fr and they not even hurt. Then have the audacity to complain about having to play? You spoiled coddled athletes!
@@kleangreen596if they’re sitting out they’re more than likely hurt lol did you not see embiid reinjure himself?
@@AppreciateTheGame2200 obviously I'm talking about players that are not hurt 🤦🏾♂️
Stephen A has had some outstanding takes over the years, but this here should be kept in a vault somewhere & shown every so often to every modern day athlete & fan. Every syllable of every word he spoke, the way he spoke them was like I was listening to a Professor speak. I have nothing to add 👏🏾
A M E N
100%!
He's in peak form on this one
Facts
facts
Two things here-
1. I’m glad the rule was set in place, it’s great for the fans who watch on tv and who pay money to go to the arena just to find out the star is sitting out randomly with no documented injury.
2. SAS is right about the in season tournament. Molly acts like she doesn’t understand that 500k is 500k, they want that money.
Imagine if I told my boss, "Hey I'm not showing up to work for like a month for load management". I would be fired on the spot.
Ok I imagined it. It was fun because you’re broke
These players are tripping 😂😂😂
"I've already done 4 days this week, I'll skip the 5th one" xD
You’re not an NBA Player so of course it’s different
You wouldn’t get fired on the spot but first get beaten up to never do it again wherever you going 🤣🤣🤣
CEO of a company has an attendance issue at work. He issues a new policy: "Employees who are absent more than 20% of the work year are not eligible for consideration to receive the top-performance based awards and the accompanying monetary bonuses."
That seems like a pretty fair policy to me.
I agree the rule is a good thing, but this is a terrible comparison given that this “job” comes with the extreme risk of injury to begin with. If an employee of a construction company missed 20% of the work year because a coworker accidentally crushed your hand with a steel beam, they wouldn’t be exempt from monetary bonuses.
Completely different situations, do not compare the NBA to normal jobs.
@@DeckofLiesextreme? There’s coal miners, fire fighters, police officers, armed forced who haven’t missed a day in their life. And when they have they still fight to get back to work because that’s their standard.
Standards have dropped in accountability. And players should be heavily punished for not meeting it as the only reason people go to games is to see their talents.
@@RichP007 just said I agree the rule is a good thing. Just a bad comparison. Please read things you reply to.
@@RichP007good comparison other guys just yapping
Yeah but athletes are entitled to better things because they're better than the regular joe schmoe. It's not enough that they make millions of dollars for playing a kid's game. Naaaah.
I'm going to be sick for 1/5 of my work days and expect to be employee of the year/promoted! These NBA players aren't real people. It's sooo annoying
They’re extremely disconnected from reality because they’ve never worked a real job in their lives
A man on my job just got fired for that.
Last week 😂😂😅
Ah yes comparing you being sick for 1/5 work days is the same as playing a sport that you can be injured for over 10 games at a time yes what a comparison
Cuz basketball is not a job 😂
If your job told everybody there are going to be performance bonuses BUT only for people who don't call in sick more than 20% of the time, I imagine every single one of us would be perfectly fine with that.
umm no i wouldn't? like literally if someone had a cancer or was pregnant and had to miss months that would mean they don't get the money. thats disgusting
@@h0twingzzthere would definitely be an exception to the rule, your average worker in America (especially with the younger generation coming up) calls out more than any other generation before them. Many of them don't even call out because they're sick.
Load management is killing the nba
Laziness already killed the NBA!
💯. I’ve stopped watching the NBA. The only time I watch is during the conference championships and finals.
😂ask these guys to rate themselves on 1-5 stars...if they give themselves a 5 star rating, how is it wrong for them to be expected to work 4 of the 5 days expected?? If these guys get paid all this money, they need to show up at least 80% of the time. 😂😂
@@DaMidgewhat player have you seen miss 30 games to avoid an injury with no injury reported ? Y’all literally let the media say anything and y’all believe it 🤣 65 games is 80% of the season 🙄 Joel embiid just won mvp and he got a decent injury history 😒 let me see you go play 7 straight road games in 5 days and see if ya body don’t need some rest 😒 you non athletes always got something to say ain’t never played a real sport in your lives to know what it even takes 🤷🏽♂️
@@rambohittzsportsthese new dudes soft asf, Jordan played all 82 games 12 seasons outta 15
Ben simmons and Kawhi the poster child for this rule
Don't compare Ben Simmons to Kawhi.
Stupid
Simmons is a soft scrub, in comparison.
@@Stratos.2 are you stupid? 😐 that’s not what they said and if you can’t see that I fear for your potential offspring
Can’t forget Kyrie
This a rare, vintage Stephen A Soliloquy. Easily one of the greatest I've heard from him in the last decade.
Very well put together and articulated, came with history of the game, stats, and parallels to make his point. Didn't spend too much time reiterating things already said and you can tell he fired up about it because he doesn't personalize much, if it at all. He's focused and direct.
Truly a treat this morning. This is why he's one of the GOATs in Sports Broadcasting.
Stephen A Smith burner account
Agreed
excellent opinion & agreed! 👏🏾
Until Molly interrupted of course
Better than the BS he spewed about the best offensive basketball player in the world last week😂😂👍
“AND THEYRE FLYING COACH!!!…[Jerry] WEST IS IN THE BACK OF THE PLANE!” 13:15 This remark is goated!
the NBA is still allowing them to miss 17 games, which equals over 3 vacation weeks for the average U.S. worker, over six months. Not 12 months. Six months.
Yep ur riteee Great point
Please stop comparing the average job to sports. That's the problem - the average person is jealous, which is where much of this comes from. If you're arguments start with, "We'll my job would never allow that", just stop talking.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl i won't. here's why: NBA and other pro sports rely heavily on the average person to be worth the millions they generate. without the average job and the average person, NBA players wouldn't have millions.
@@Arctanis-vt3hlDumbass 🐑
@@Arctanis-vt3hlAverage people are the reason the players have any money you fool.
THANK YOU MADDOG! For Halliburton to say it’s what the owners want is disingenuous, ITS WHAT THE FANS WANT. I’m going to my first ever nba game next week. Bucks vs Wolves if more than one of Ant,giannis,towns,or dame don’t play I WILL NEVER go to a game again.
On the plus side I can tell you that if Ant or KAT miss the game they are legit injured. Cos those two dudes have never done load management (Ant in particular is against it)
I went to the Sixes and Kings game and both Harden and Embid didn't play just off coaches decision. Me and my cousin was pissed and we didn't give af that Maxey went off for 40 we came to see yall and yall basically just didn't wanna play
That is such a good game to go to for your first one! I hope everyone plays and it’s a bang out
The owners want it too... just like ANY employer they'd like for their employees to show up for work
still remember hali clowning noah lyles, dude's the actual clown indeed
Might be Stephen A’s best take I’ve ever seen… well done
The lack of physicality causing load management and injuries. Players were more resilient in a more hard hitting game, because the were need to work on their body to endure this physicality. Now with the high pace no contact ball players are not putting the emphasis on strength, and therefore are more fragile.
Most injuries these days are leg injuries, not contact injuries. Players have to run way farther now due to the 3 point era, which likely puts much more pressure on joints. The old heads would get injured just as much in today's league.
This is not about the owners but the fans. The fans were complaining, the TV networks that had a deal with the NBA were complaining, so the owners had to do something to make players play. 65 games is just about right.
Not that easy. They're all going to say that it's an injury when it's actually not
Not that easy. They're all going to say that it's an injury when it's actually not
Not that easy. They're all going to say that it's an injury when it's actually not
Not that easy. They're all going to say that it's an injury when it's actually not
Not that easy. They're all going to say that it's an injury when it's actually not
One of the BEST segments First Take has had !!! Cause they dropping facts !!!
Okay, if they remove the rule, can we pay 65% of the ticket? Because if we're paying for starless games...
The only ones that don’t have to worry are the ones with legitimate injuries. The only ones who complain are the ones that sit out with no legitimate reason. Like when Ben sat out his entire first season with the Nets and still fought to get his money, like, what? Never in my life have I ever seen a job pay you for not working/doing your job 🤦♂️
Even ppl with legitimate injuries will complain just like haliburton.
@@burrybondz225 yeah, cause they’re caught on the crossfire, which is unfortunate 🤷♂️
I feel like the same applies to Embiid right now. He was hunting for (and playing at) the MVP and was banged up, but he knew he was closing in on the games missed limit so he played anyway. Messed up his meniscus and now will miss significant time and won’t have the shot at repeating. It’s unfortunate 🤷🏻♀️
@@burrybondz225 The problem with Tyrese though is he's bitching about owners for sympathy when he knows this is what fans want, but he's not brave enough to say anything about what the fans want, so he tries to make it look like he as a millionaire is being oppressed by the billionaires.
@@juliewagner3023if you miss 20% of the season your not the MVP
Doggy cooked when he said “don’t say it’s the owners, it’s not what the owners want. It’s what the FANS want.”
It's not what REAL fans want because rest as recommended by the trainers is what's best for the future of the players on your team. It's what casuals want.
@@randumo24 Imagine simping for men making hundreds of millions of dollars to play an otherwise pointless game, absolutely wild.
@@randumo24 Cry for the millionaires taking it easy. While the REAL fans pay lots of money for tickets or NBA Season Pass to watch them. Suck it up and go to work like everyone else.
@@randumo24you sound like the casual spewing illogical nonsense.
Trainers didn't make the NBA popular - players did, and they did it by PLAYING THE GAMES.
Dude said listen to the trainers like playing more games will kill you 😂 Softy
I want everyone to play no matter what unless it’s legitimate injury or family reasons.
That point about Michael Jordan's annual player salary was NUFF' SAID 🎤🎤🎤
Bird averaged less than 2 mil
@@lawrencejacobs8044 So did Magic.
Some of these dudes missing the point these star players missing games isn’t solely on them… These people are protecting their investments.. I love the new rule it ensures the RIGHT folks get paid guys like Russ & Mikel Bridges would have been eating off this rule…
inflation fellas, don't forget inflation
but i agree, it is tiny compared to todays nba players' salary
Marvin Hagler said it best - It's tough to get out of bed to do road work at 5am when you're sleeping in silk pajamas.
Love that….
😂😂😂
Too bad he took the jab
@@mars3676 and?
That's the kind of SAS I can support. Great factual rant! Preach!
It's hard being hungry when you're fed😬
The best, most pertinent, passionate yet insightful segment on First Take in YEARS.
No shade, but what is so enlightening? Is the issue not clear? I'm truly just asking.
@@raymondrichardson3085i think OP just means that it's rejuvenating that they're showing this uncut take. it's shedding some light on this controversy
Best since I WANT IGOUDALA
First thing I've agreed on with SAS if about 2 years. 65 games is only 79% of the season.
It's 20 minutes as well so that's not even a full game. You can play 65 games of 20 minutes and qualify; totally fair.
Even if you’re historically great in 64 games you’re arguably not more valuable to your team than a guy who’s really, really good for 80 games. Cos you’re team is now an underdog in 20% of games cos you sat them. 64 games shouldn’t be an all star for precisely that reason.
I like it. Eff dat. I flew to LA from SoFlo. Decided to attend a Lakers game and Bron just sat out just cause he wanted to
Kobe used to talk about why he played through so many injuries and that was because of people who might only be able to afford to attend one game a season and how he felt he'd be robbing them by sitting out if he felt that if he could play. Name any other profession where you can miss more than 75% of days per year and your employer doesn't penalize if not fire you?
He got that from Jordan but glad he saw that and wanted to continue that legacy
@@also3254or maybe that’s just how Kobe was💀everything don’t have to relate to Jordan
@@Dre384 Maybe but highly unlikely since he went on record as being a student of the game and that Jordan was the one he was reaching for. It's clear as day since Jordan said the same thing. All you had to do was look at Kobe and see how he patterned all things Jordan. It's not a slight and a bad thing but just factual as to the facts that Kobe looked up to Jordan and wanted to be like him.
@@Dre384 it's not an opinion. Kobe repeated what Jordan said verbatim
I took off for 3 months from work for a injury and kept my job and half pay
Not only did older players not sit out, many of them came back EARLY from injury
Not only that but they played with intensity. But i guess players and teams before had to play more with their upper body than lower body
Returning early from injury can also aggravate your injury further though
Could’ve used PEDs as I’ve heard those quicken healing
@@jmgonzales7701 There wasn't as much movement in the game back then compared to now, with all the stop and go tthat you see nowadays, combined with the AAU system making them play too much gale at an early age. Ans also a lot of the older player had coke or other drugs in them look at the Barry Bonds era
@@Cyrus-rodn45nope these guys were built different
I like Haliburton, but I think they should raise it to 70 minimum tbh. As a kid we played through rolled ankles and strained shoulders just for the love of the game... if you can't roll outta bed for 65 out of 82 games for 50+ million...maybe you are not cut out to be a professional NBA player..
& it also shortened players careers & there by costing the owners more money. It’s the owners … players get the blame.
You really comparing your neighborhood pick up games to an injured NBA player who have to play against the worlds best athletes injured. lol
@@ocampbell1954not the point and most of these mfs is soft. They get all this money to play so play it’s really that simple because if their audience leaves they have no millions they will keep testing their audience
Tell that to Isaiah Thomas. How did playing through injury work out for him?
@@Young-ep8ikthey don’t care that the thing the players know the fans don’t actually care about them
The best ability is availability. Part of what makes an MVP is being there to play. The endurance test that is the season is done exactly for this reason.
Lots of players can't play 65 games. But thats part of what separates the good from the great.
Exactly you can’t be the season mvp and play in only a bit over half a season .
Couldn’t agree more with SAS
the audacity the players have is unbelievable
They all think their gods gift on social media don’t even care about winning championships anymore nba is washed
Julius Randle playd 50 min a night an plays 78 games a season😂
@@randyp8849yea IF he gets injured. No one is against the players that actually get hurt. They’re against the ones who aren’t hurt that sit out just to rest and load up
Because he’s in it as a job not just a sport. He has the Jokic mentality.
@@205BeezyB but it actually goes against players that get hurt
He played hurt
@febrecordz4032 so what? Ppl with regular jobs have to work and we don't make 1000th of what these dudes make...and they work half a year.
100 million dollars worth of complaints! That’s insane
and to top it off, they're playing a BASKETBALL game! not putting their life on the line. and they complain about 65 games 😂
Lol jokes on you for still watching WWE I mean NBA
Jordan and guys back then played 82 games every year dam near. Personally I think it should be 72 games not 65. That still gives 10 whole games
Ben Simmons is gonna play in 15 games and expect his full payment
And this is why they call this era of the league soft.
Iverson barely 6ft may have weighed 185 pounds who knows.
They showed a picture of him one game and he had like 12 current injuries all through the year and wasn’t missing any games and dude was getting 40 when he wanted too.
This era of NBA is soft.
They want to be allowed to scored rather than earn a bucket and the defense gets punished for being to physical.
Granted these guys today are super talented but it’s one sided. It’s just make the games hard to watch sometimes.
In his first 9 seasons, he played at least 80 percent of his games eight times.
@@brianschaffer9220 and this wasn’t a shoot the three era it was a drive to the basket era with bigger bodies it’s just a shame
Way more fast paced and more possession based game but I see what u are saying
Fast paced because guys can travel like crazy nowadays.@@HR-ms6ed
Iverson was different! Straight up killer!
Word for word. This couldn’t have been said any better. Well done brother.
I think the NBA is a perfect experiment that proves people can’t be happy no matter what. The fact that these players are living beyond the wildest dream lives and still manage to complain proves the ideal society isn’t possible.
Molly we’re moving on - Stephen A. no we staying right here this needs to be said! I was cracking up
Stephen A Smith.. This is one of your best rants of all-time. Epic & needed to be said!
If your a player under 35 and miss a quarter of the season without major injury ain’t no way u should be rewarded.
No if your being paid millions you should be able to work 82 times a year
But what if those all 35 games, you're averaging 50ppg and all 35 games were wins?
@@SandauxBeats Who cares? if you can't be counted on, sporadic greatness is pointless.
I love how so many fans are on the same page about this. AMAZING RULE
One of my all-time favorite players is Robert Parrish, in 20 out of his 21 seasons in the NBA, he played more than 70 games.
Just crazy
I never thought we'd be at a point where we have to praise the legends just for showing up. It use to be something we took for grant SMDH
And that one season he didn't was his final season. He only played 43 games.
But, he was 44 years old and nearing retirement. Totally excusable.
You want a cookie? Lol
Jordan, Stockton, and Kareem never made excuses.
They played in a different league
@@febrecordz4032 and our era is very sad that we wish we can go back in the 80s and 90s.
Nope
@@febrecordz4032are league is full of 🐱
@@yengvang8737speak for yourself 😂
Stephen A’s best take yet
🔥🔥👏🏾✅my Mann SA
Real talk.. I would dare to say ever..
Amen
Took a quick look at basketball reference. 7 NBA MVPs have played less than 70 games. Of those 7, only two played less than 60: Bill Walton (58) and Karl Malone (who won it during the lockout year with 49 games played).
My point: if 65 games is not a fair number, I don't know what is. Yes, injuries happen, but you can't claim to be the best for a whole season when you play less than 80 percent of the season.
I think Walton won the MVP when players could vote for MVP.
More money, better nutrition, better therapies, better travel conditions and less back to back games and they still don't want to play!
Games less physical too
Exactly. What other profession can you take 20% of work days off without losing your job? Yet there are some players complaining about having to "take care of their bodies". Which is something that should be done anyway. I'm not suggesting play basketball at a professional level is easy, but if I made over $250 million, I wouldn't be complaining. In fact I would want to be on the court whenever I could.
I agree with SAS. One of the points he didn't touch on is that in the 70's, 80's, and 90's the game was much more physical than it is today. Therefore, they had legitimate reasons to miss games but they played anyway. Today's league is not very physical, so it makes it even worse that players are missing so many games.
The pace is faster today, but you get hammered every night in the 80s and 90s. Brooks hitting Lebron in the face would've been a common foul even in the early 2000s.
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That don’t matter when they players today are more athletic which makes you more prone to injury
They had far less advanced medical procedures/knowledge too. And likely didn't have teams of people cooking for them, creating workout plans, etc.
@@Jerm0116 So does not being able to get surgery. Mickey Mantle played a full baseball career on a torn ACL. Imagine if guys like that had todays medical care
Yesss Stephen A. The fans expect players to do their job and are willing to pay to see them do it. Not sit out if not injured.
I haven’t agreed with much SAS has said about anything sports related in years but he hit it on head on this particular topic.
The best part of this video was seeing Mad Dog shut down Molly 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Timestamp?
She is awful. for millions of dollars it’s to awful on your body to play a child’s game.
@@nicholasperusek3639the nba and basketball is not a child's game. The wear and tear on ur body is real.
Fascinating you consider that a shut down. He simply responded to what she said and just made a good point. 😅
@@starfireprincessThere isn’t one. Lol there’s no shut down 😅
imagine if you decided to take 25% of your days off of work in a year, how well do you think that goes over with your employer?
Any NBA player that is a Healthy scratch shouldn't get a game check for that game
THANK YOU Stephen A. this has been a long time coming. Far too many times have I turned to a game only to find out Ill be watching the bench play.
Literally here in BK, a certain player has cost the team so much salary room and yet we barely see him even when he was in Philly. For Nets fans, and the organization, it’s tough to buy a ticket and expect to see a no-show.
How many games do you want to play in TYRESE??!!? 45?!? IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU?!??
To be fair. He’s was legitimately hurt. That’s probably why he’s pissed about it
Tyrese has been injured which is why he said that. He wants to play as much as he can but he has to rush back in order to be eligible to get his compensation
if you misses 60 games becaus ehe cant run with a blown hamstring i still have him in top 3 all nba this season
Sooooo glad Mad Dog brought up where this actually started. Popovich sitting his players and scratch reason being “old”.
Injury aside, I agree the players abused the load management idea.
NBA tickets are hundreds of dollars and fans are quite literally paying the price of admission to watch the stars. Fans don't know if the star player will even play until 20 minuets before the game, yet they are still subjected to paying the price as if they are. The league has literally set it up so players are still able to miss SEVENTEEN games and still be eligible for awards and then contract incentivized monster paydays, and the players are still out here complaining. Show up to work if you want to be payed. Not everyone can be a max player, do yourself a favor and play basketball if you want to ensure that.
Should be 70 games tbh unfortunately for players that are actually injured they’re taking heat due to their peers
This is exactly like why rules get implemented lol... It only takes a few to ruin it for everyone else
One bad apple (Kawaii) ruins the whole batch
@sedohama: Kawhi has degenerative knees, so I wouldn’t call him the bad apple. Though I can see why some might think that, the man gets injured almost every year since like 2017.
@@marckusduverger9776 he's at the root, it all started with him. Don't care for your excuses sir, go tell it to the mountain.
Totally agree. This has been one of the best regular season I've seen in a long time cos everyone is playing and playing hard. They gotta work for that bag
Imagine telling your boss I wanna be employee of the year, then saying but I can’t work 2 days in a row.
Sorry boss, I need 4 personal days a month. Don't worry, I gotchu!
that's literally what fan do y'all don't even go to work everyday but want NBA players who work extremely hard to cause you spend most your money to see them sound like a personal problem honestly
Bro said im not calling out names, but was dropping named with some heat😂😂😂
Gotta be one of the best takes we’ve heard ina longggg time