Spider-Man & She Hulk Sue The Daily Bugle!!
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- She Hulk tries to take on J.Jonah Jameson and the Daily Bugle with Spider-Man after years of slander. Will the Peter Parker luck finally change? Will Spidey's villains pass up a chance like this (the answer is no lol) Court is in session here on Casually Comics.
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"Years of Slander?"
"I resent that. Slander is spoken; in print it's libel," JJ from Sam Raimi's Spider-man.
His radio shows can be taken into account
Agreed
Especially since James accusing him for crimes he didn't even commit or make at all
As a black dude the "im black line" had me cracking up i won't lie lol
I can just imagine Miles getting up and leaving lol
Likewise.
@@Blue5Standingby Miles: why am i here then? *storms off*
I do like the lawyer face-palming. 😁
Me too.. funny!!🤣
As a retired court clerk, I loved this run o She Hulk and laughed out loud many times. It is, however, no less realistic than, say, "My Cousin Vinny," These stories will never be realistic because in real life, most of the time, court cases are really, really boring. And to portray a real court case would take a movie of about 20 hours or a comic arc of 24 issues. So, just like in "Perry Mason" we suspend disbelief and never bring up the inaccuracies. It's still lots of fun. And my favorite was the one you showed in the introduction: Superman accused of murder, where he takes the jury back in time. That could be a video in itself. And it is done seriously, or as seriously as the Silver Age can do anything.
I resent the my cousin Vinny example. It’s deliberately only entertaining BECAUSE court in real life is boring and Vinny understands like none of the actual legal processes at this time. I think a better example would be the “trial” for Batman conducted by his rogues gallery in BTAS. Or like any trial from Harvey Birdman (actually Insane how WB didn’t make the new bird girl a straight copy of the courtroom and lawyer setup from Harvey Birdman but using more DC properties than Hanabarbera with the popularity of superheroes right now).
There is an issue of Superman's girlfriend Lois Lane where Lois is accused of killing Lana Lang and Superman is the Prosecutor and Batman is her Defense Attorney.
🤯
😂
"Spiderman , before you take the stand, please remove your hat ."
There actually is a basis for the idea that Jonah's anti-Spidey stance is at least partially motivated by profit. There's an issue where he's accused of that and he responds with, "If a crusade will sell papers then J. Jonah Jameson will have a crusade." But he DOES also have an anti-vigilante stance.
There have been multiple cues to the idea in various media. I tend to think that while he has an anti-vigilante(especially masked, for character reasons) stance, the fact he will put up other heroes at times while still going on about Spider-man is probably a combination of SPider-man continually insulting him, and the fact that his anti-spider rants do sell papers. What I am saying is that I don't think it is a single reason, but I do think He pushes it a bit more often, harder, and in situations he otherwise wouldn't because it sells, and has become a trademark of the bugle.
There have been multiple issues over the years where Jonah reveals why he hates Spider-Man, and most of them are different than all the rest. It's best to stick with the first one (written by Stan himself) where Jonah says to himself that Spidey risks his life every day for no money, while Jonah is only interested in making money, and that he can't respect himself while Spidey lives.
@@jhornacek Yeah, that really is such an interesting detail about him no one ever knows about unless they've read that issue. I remember a more recent issue right after the first Civil War where he said he was a huge fan of Cap and Bucky as a kid and that the event and manner in which Bucky died immediately coloured his position on young heroes in general.
@@IsiahTomas Another interesting idea is that Bucky's death is a big in universe reason why heroes don't have teen sidekicks..
I heard that in one of the versions of JJJ’s backstory it reveals a more complex and deep reason as to why he hates Spider-man. His dad was a war hero who everybody around him praised and loved for his service to his country but behind closed doors he was abusing his wife and son which caused JJJ to develop a deep seeded mistrust of heroes because he knows that behind their good natured exteriors there can be monsters hiding inside
2:04 "Slander is Spoken; In print, it's Liable"
@Razgriz the Mandalorian We'll run a correction in the evening edition
This comment string is amazing
I think the lawyer side of She-Hulk is so under-appreciated and underdeveloped. If they wanted to do a lawyer story arc, they should've talked and consulted an actual lawyer Like Legal Eagle. And instead of having multiple trials, the entire run should be at MOST 1 or 2 trails. It should be a big deal, have long-lasting implications like fight superhuman registration acts, or suing evil cooperation like Oscorp. I know that this is blasphemy to say but the superhero part shouldn't be an interesting part of that character. Especially when the universe is over-populated with superheroes (a handful are lawyers too)
They should make a comic with her vs Daredevil on trail. With mind controlling characters like Professor X and Purple man could someone use I was mind controlled as a defense or are you still guilty because you did the thing and they would be an augment of you should have known better then to work with purple man hes a known criminal. You could have some legal uncertainty there
@@daraghokane4236
Well there was a She-Hulk vs Dare Devil court battle in Charles Soule run for Captain America.
@@MyselfandComics Kingpin should pull that in court purple man has being mind controlling me for years, I would believe him if I was in universe
@@daraghokane4236
I probably would too since I would be a regular person there and not really knowing their true colors like in reality.
What if they were to get Viva Frei or someone to help them write a story about defending Tony Stark or some other guy?
Peter Parker: Spider-Man wasn't trying to attack the city, he was trying to save it. That's slander.
J. Jonah Jamison: It is not. I resent that. Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.
Better hope Batman doesn't sue over that signal. I think he has the money to bury spidey
batman dont own any rights over modified searchlights, i mean he could with the money he has but he has more things to do.
@@EduardoTorelly money he had remember the joker war
Actual Batman quote: "if I patented this device, I'd make a fortune. But then, I already have a fortune. That's how I was able to make it." Also, if there was a case, I don't think the Avengers have a device to verify his identity without unmasking. Patent rights don't translate well to other universes anyway. Just sayin'.
J. Jonah Jameson resents that you called it slander.
"In print its Libel." [End scene]
I'm the real menace lmao
The "it's because I'm black" line is so good, it's a piece of art all in itself.
"because he sure didn't save Uncle Ben, did he?" - It was 1963 but it's Peter so it's still too soon Sasha. Still too soon.
I often wondered why it was Matt Murdock that defended Bucky Barnes in his trial, and now I know.
I would love to see Sasha make a video on it.
@@arpitpatel2781 why
@@fictionalcharactermov7471 Because it's fun to see superhero court cases.
Peter isn't rich from the Webs book because Jonah ripped him off for it. Since Peter took the photos for the Bugle, the photos belonged to the Bugle. I can't help but think that was a little commentary about how Marvel treats their artists.
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the story due to not being legally accurate. I love it because it's a funny way to view the Spidey/Jonah relationship.
Oh well.
Depends on if he's a freelancer or not.
He took photos as a freelancer. Each photo would have its own contract rather than true work for hire.
"John's here because he's the first person that spiderman ever saved. Because he sure didn't save uncle Ben!" ooooooohhhhhh you didn't
Please make a playlist on Fictional Court Cases...
When you said Dan Slott, I was like of course he would turn a She-Hulk issue into see how much I know about Spidey. When he wrote Spider-Man he was constantly flexing how much of Spidey's history he knows.
Like how he said that when he got to write Spidey solo (after working with multiple writers during Brand New Day) he was going to follow up on something in ASM #1 that no one had ever followed up on, and how he was going to do something unique with the character? Then he had Peter decide to become a scientist and get a job at a lab, which had already been done years earlier in the Mackie/Byrne reboot.
For all of Slott's claims about being Spidey's #1 fan and having notebooks full of story ideas and notes, his so-called Spidey knowledge is lacking at times. Like claiming that Betty Brant has a photographic memory in this issue - this has never been mentioned in any of her previous appearances, and there are multiple stories where she forgets something, which makes this claim of her having this skill make no sense.
@@jhornacek Lol. Hilarious considering Nick Spencer is actually pulling from more past stuff and doing something interesting with it. Writing a Spidey story is less about how much history you know and more bout how well you can write him. Also if Slott was actually the number 1 spidey fan and knew everything about spidey, he would have OKD retconning first on his agenda
@@doubleasworkshop1692 Spencer has done the impossible - he has gotten me to look forward to reading ASM again after 10 years of Slott issues where I'd buy the issue and it would sit unread on my desk for days because I had no interest in reading it. Not only is Spencer's run fun, but he has corrected so many of the mistakes done with Spidey not only done in Slott's run, but since One More Day. Unlike Slott, Spencer knows that Peter is a responsible person that doesn't shirk his responsibilities. Plus unlike Slott he can also write a competent and likable MJ.
Slott's claims that he is the #1 Spidey fan were soon disproven based on his stories. He is actually the #1 Doc Ock fan.
When you have a lawsuit and you need someone to someone to handle in the case. Who you gotta call? She-Hulk!!!! And Daredevil!!!
But Daredevil is a defense attorney though not a prosecutor.
The one thing I remember from the newspaper strip when I was a kid was an arc where Jameson published something clearly actionable, and Spidey looking into suing him. His lawyer told him that to file a suit or take the stand he'd have to reveal his actual legal identity. Thus Stan Lee shut down any pestering questions from fans.
As for the suspension of disbelief...at some point creators are just playing volleyball without a net, or running with the basketball under their arm, or making a Star Trek movie. Even with comedy, if their not working with any actual rules, then they're not really solving any story problems, and I don't find it satisfying as storytelling.
There’s actually a comic about j Jonah Jameson adopts Spider-Man and in the end of the comic they become a team
I've read that one, it's a good time lol
@@CasuallyComics Please do a video on it!
Sauce?
@@CasuallyComics plz do a video on it it is a really cool what if
@@thetempleton6622 It’s from the second run of What If?
This video is a menace!
“Cause he sure didn’t save uncle Ben”
Holy shit, that was so savage
20 year Law firm employee enjoying Sasha's repeated bouts with "That's no how this works. That's not how any of that works!"
I am not sure if this counts, but I seem to remember reading a comic where The Beyonder(yes, THAT Beyonder) hired Nelson and Murdock to find a way for him to legally take over the world. He even paid them with gold he recovered from the ocean. He claimed it was legally his under international marine salvage law. I am fairly sure this was a Daredevil comic, though the story was treated as something of a joke. It was resolved in that same issue.
I would love to see Sasha make a video on this.
I prefer the issue where Spidey teaches the Beyonder how to use the bathroom.
@@arpitpatel2781 I wish I could produce a source. Perhaps some more learned individual may do so.
@@sneakyskunk1 This story takes place in Daredevil Vol 1 #223.
@@arpitpatel2781 Thank you so very much!
I love this run, it's one of the first comic books I've every read and made she - hulk one of my favourite characters!!
Edit* the upside down sparing dumbing is actually the Amazing Android, who was working at she-hulks firm. He used a chalk board to communicate.
Words from the great JK Simmons, “Slander is spoken, in print, it’s libel”
She-Hulk has brain and brawls what’s not to love.
Personally I prefer Melee.
@@mechashadow Melee? Who that?
Yep
"electro for assault with a battery"
Done son
Your voice for Spider-Man makes him sound like a petulant child lol. Slott seems more interested in showing off his knowledge on the Spider-Man mythos than writing a realistic court case but still this issue sounds like a fun sketch which I don't mind.
If you're looking for more court comic stories: Who Killed Batman. Batman 291-294 and the best one is 293. The story is that Batman is dead and all the supervillains are claiming they killed him, so they hold a trial, listening to each villain's story to see who is guilty. Ra's is the judge and Two-Face is the prosecutor. There is a twist at the end, one you can definitely see coming but I'll still keep it a secret. This story also inspired the fan favorite episode of Batman Animated Series "Almost Got Him". But lets get to issue 293, the best one, where Lex Luthor kills both Batman and Superman in the most convoluted stupidest way possible and it's totally amazing. You should read it just for that. Love your stuff.
I love trial comics, have you read the one where Punisher killed a cop "by mistake" and surrendered himself to be trialed? Great comic.
I love to see Sasha make a video on it.
I want to read that. What issue it is?
@@manis1551 marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Punisher:_Trial_of_the_Punisher_Vol_1_1
She Hulk looking like a snack in the thumbnail...hold uuuup
Back when she was Sexy strong and badass
She's a snack both as Jennifer and She-Hulk.
@@Charolette21 not anymore, sadly...they really did she hulk dirty in the SJW era.
I'd heard of this story before, but I didn't realize it was a She-hulk issue. I legit thought it was in the main spider- man line.
@9:51 (in 2020, backing away slowly from quip)
Sasha, maybe as a follow-up pls cover the issue where Jennifer and Jameson's son have dinner for the first time with his dad and his new wife :)
That she hulk image at 0.53.....pure love at first sight
5:44 Of DC Black Lightning from the Super Friends. LMAO
Spider-Man will always be a Lone Wolf...ah...Spider.
5:28 I think that's the awesome android also seen in 5:09. Why a robot would need a workout is another matter entirely.
Gotta embrace all the human experience that includes leg day lol
This was hilarious. You're legal frustration was great and legal facts accurate.
Please do a video on the sequel of Lois Lane marries Lex Luthor, which takes place in Superman's Girl Friend Lois Lane #46!
"I'm suspending, suspending." 😂🤣
The Spider-Mobile would be a great future video - how Marvel was asked to do it by a car company, how Gerry Conway thought it was a stupid idea, how quickly the vehicle was disposed of, and how it came back and tried to kill Spidey.
"Because I'm Black." Sadly, you can't make a joke like that now a days.
That "Awooooo!" after John Jameson's testimony killed me.
You know during trials when the jury is polled? I was on a court case, I was a juror, when one of the other jurors changed her mind during the jury polling. She began sobbing and the amount of the award went up. This was in Asheville, North Carolina.
"This seems like a bit of a trial run" I see what you did there!
Drinking game: Every time the suspension of disbelief has to be reinforced by saying "Suspending", take a shot.
Also that “I’ll flash everybody” had me saying hol up what she say until she cleared it up
Dan Slott is a great idea man. As terrible as his Spider-Man run became, some of his stories are good ideas. For example, Spider-Verse is a good idea - bring in some alternate universe Spideys, give them a common threat, it would be fun. But the story we got made no sense, was terrible, and included so many alternate Spideys that the real Spidey became a supporting character in his own story.
I agree with you that this story likely started from the "Because I'm black" line and he created the rest of the story to get there. This is a funny and pretty unoffensive Spidey story, so it works here. It was stories like this and his Spider-Man and Human Torch mini-series that got him the job writing Amazing Spider-Man. Unfortunately the readers quickly realized that Slott works better writing occasional Spidey stories instead of an continuing series.
I’d love to see this adapted into the upcoming She-Hulk TV Series.
Agreed
Great video! You should do one about Jameson trying to sue Peter after his unmasking in Civil War. She-Hulk had just married Jameson’s son and if I recall, she offered to sue him, for the tech Tony gave him.
"Did you ever read a joke and get the impression that the rest of the story was structured around it?" Yes. In My Little Pony with the episode "28 Pranks Later". I wouldn't be surprised if the entire episode was written around the zombie movie parody during the final act because of the amount they needed to flanderize Rainbow Dash's insensitivity and love of pranks in order to justify the town's revenge prank.
Slott's She-Hulk was fun and bounced between TV level court chaos and super action comedy. It used a lot of lesser known characters, added some nice new ones, and had a lot of meta-textual jokes. The law firm was a nod to the founding fathers of Marvel and used trades as court documents which was great.
Edit: Webs was late 80s iirc. It was mentioned back during the Inferno tie in book as something new and yes, it did give him a good boost of income for the time then. So even with time slide, Webs would be 3 years old or more by the time of the story so the money would have slowed a lot.
I remember a time when Spidey was on a similar position as when he was asked how the court can know if he was the real deal and he did some acrobatics to prove it; the funny part, he was disguised as Daredevil but as the court was not able to prove otherwise the case had to continue assuming DD was his secret identity
Soules run is the one to read for accurate legal stories: he's a lawyer.
3:14 - Spidey that last one was beneath you and you should be ashamed of yourself.
I am surprised the court didn't demand he remove his mask and reveal his secret identity! You would THINK the court would do that as a matter of course.
09:43 I will buy this issue alone just for that line! I actually thought that Miles Morales would be Spiderman and that would be like "BOOM" in your face, J. J. Jameson, in your face! lol
Eh- it was OK. John Byrne did a great job with the humor in his She Hulk run though
Maybe the She-Hulk tv series will do a similar storyline.
I kinda remember seeing an interview with Todd McFarlane where he mentioned he once had a similar idea to the "Because I'm black." joke with Spidey. IIRC, Spidey breaks up a mugging, the victim uses some racial slur about the muggers, Spidey gets mad and says something like "What makes you think I'm not black?"
The 3 Senior Partners are
Martin Goodman (1st Marvel Publisher)
Stanley Martin Lieber (aka Stan 'The Man' Lee)
Jacob Kurtzberg (aka Jack 'The King' Kirby)
Their likenesses are even used in their single major appearance in Issue #11.
Holliway and Book were both fictional...
Sasha I have finally figured out which marvel superhero you are your she-hulk, because your tough as hell, you started your own youtube channel and that takes guts and your probably one of the craziest UA-camrs I know who knows comics like a boss and takes them super seriously and you made amazing quality youtube content!
"Its cause Im black" That line is hysterical. I dont care who you are.
Its funny on so many levels. The obvious ones and the fact that Jonah would never even know that about him with the mask.
Sash sounds like she’s a lawyer or at least a paralegal
Lawsuits in fictional settings with fantastical elements are a lot of fun! I do wish they'd done a more serious take; maybe it should have been an Elseworlds story so ramifications from it can be ignored in the wider canon?
I've got this She-Hulk book. This was a fun story. I loved your voices for Spidey, Jonah, and Pug. 🙂
I’ve never read a She Hulk issue, now I feel like I’m missing out on so, so much fun.
Imagine an Ace Attorney style game featuring Shehulk defending various superheroes. I think that would be fun
I love this. More of She-Hulk shenanigans!
11:56 "A bit of a trial run." I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
Yo, I remember reading the Trial of Reed Richards! It was during Marvel's spoof event, "Assistant Editors' Month", so it started out silly, but got serious real fast
Surprised 'Webs' is still in print though that price sounds like it is way discounted at this point. I forgot that book was a thing. Think last time I remembered it mentioned was the original Civil War with the unmasking of Spider-Man and realization it was an expensive book of selfies.
7:37 OMG! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm still mad at pug for not telling Spider-Man he would sue Peter Parker as well
Spider-Man could've had 300 million just by saying "don't sue Parker"
This was actually one of my favourite stories when I was younger, I hope the show on Disney+ is this goofy :)
There's so much suspension in this story it could be mistaken for a bridge
In the Spider-Man movie where he is Spider-Man no more they also touched on the idea that Jonah actually likes, or at least respects Spider-Man. He starts to admit it and then Spider-Man comes in and grabs his suit back and the anti-spider sass is back on!
No said I was wrong I could not see the good he did, He didn't like him till he left then when spiderman stole the suit he was like f him
Robbie Robertson's trial and prison time during the Tombstone arc in Spectacular is an all time favorite of mine. Lonnie&Robbie 4EVA!
Ironically in the Disney Plus show, the law firm wants Jennifer to be She-Hulk during office hours.
I'm a simple man. I see She Hulk in a business suit, I click.
Your voice overs are killing me. KILLING! ME!
"...suh- suspending. I'm suspending."
Breathe.
Spider-Man should sued Jonah for creating Scorpion and the Fly
I loved the Spidey Mobile back in the day. And finding out Peter Parker doesn't have a driver's license and being from California that totally shocked me.
The fact you put your ALL into reading the story, makes this the coolest comic pg on youtube!
Keep it up🥳
Belief not only was suspended, it went over the waterfall , into the ocean, and down the Mariana Trench.
The “Webs” book was a thing when I was a kid reading Spider-Man. It was “Marvels” before “Marvels.” It did provide a nice source of income for Peter. :)
(ASM #304 from 1988)
Stops suddenly, “..Suspending..”
BWAHAHA!!!! Aw man, I have to do that all the time.
Mark Twain has been quoted as saying “We laugh the hardest when we laugh at ourselves”. I think that is what this issue is about. Just a fun fantasy story in a medium that’s primarily fantasy. Not meant to be taken too seriously by fans. Much like the remake of the Green Lantern sells power rings story you reviewed recently. (I still think it would’ve been funnier if GL tried to “unmask” Grodd. That’s not a Gorilla, that’s a man ba-oops....) DC seemed to be enjoying a laugh at their own expense, and invited us along.
If you think about it, Spiderman could sue that weasily Parker kid for royalties from his book. Trying the case would be the Law Offices of Dewey, Cheatham and Howe, the same firm that represents Lois Lane every time she needs a divorce. But then what Super Villan would show up for that?
Still, I’d love to see a courtroom battle between Jennifer Walters and Matt Murdock. Or Jason Bard and Jean Lorring. But then nobody would have much fun...
How would that even work? Spider-Man and Peter Parker are the same person. Peter with the mask on is Spider-Man. Spidey without the mask is Peter Parker.
Well I wasn’t serious, but I’ll give it a few jabs.
1. His Lawyers hire the shapeshifter to impersonate Parker. You know, the one who was disguised, ironically, as the man with no name. But then he’d have to explain that he’s a Clint Eastwood or Back to the Future enthusiast.
2. Peter goes it alone. Due to giving multiple testimonies/depositions, and lack of time, he forgets his Spider suit during the third or fourth quick change, showing up in only his mask and web shooters. The Judge throws the case out for lewd behavior in public. J.Jonah Jameson can’t stop laughing. Matt Murdock has no idea what’s happening, and Sue Storm the Invisible Girl cannot be reached for comment.
There. Absurd enough for ya?
Loved this run of She Hulk. Billobos art is awesomeness and most of it was silly but, enjoyable. It really could be an animated series.
When the narrative goes left " suspension of disbelief. Because Comics .......Nice👍🏾💯
Sasha you are covering one of my favorite comics and have made my day. Thank you so much!!
Spider-jerk, spider-jerk
Does it all with a spider-smirk.
*Sasha: **_"...suspending..."_*
🤭🤭🤭
Regarding how Jameson was still running the Bugle, in the 80s Jonah stepped down as EIC of the Bugle and gave the role to Robbie. But since the 90s people have sporadically forgotten this.
Sasha, if you're not aware of it, check out Law and the Multiverse. It's a blog that was written by a couple lawyers, dealing with the legalese of comic book and movie stuff just like this. They do go into Spider-Man's potential difficulties with appearing in court, masked.
2:05 Its not slander! In print its libel! i miss ol movie jjj
I imagine Harvey Birdman And Daredevil had a Battle in the Court room!
I enjoyed this so much !!!
You are brilliant !..
14:12 ... holy shit I forgot this was a She-Hulk comic
Can I have the book webs?
The "Webs" photo book was a great ongoing background story in the late 80's Spider-Man comics. It was a credible way to explain why Peter had some extra money (other than MJ's modeling career), it allowed him to further distance himself from suspicion he actually was Spider-Man, and he went on a book tour where he had a few hijinks outside NY. Good times...
@@jeffscroger7674 I don't think Sasha knows that. Peter didn't get royalties, though he did get paid to promote it. I didn't catch the subtext at the time.
@@jeffscroger7674 The Web of Spider-Man comic had an entire arc where Peter travelled around the country on a book tour, which allowed for lots of Spidey adventures outside of New York.
You don't even need to be a lawyer to understand this is not how the law works