The Avengers contact DD to ask about Spider-man. Daredevil must have felt like the girl who thinks she's getting invited to the prom by the prom king, only to find out that prom king wants to ask out her friend. "Dude, we don't want you, we want your friend."
The worst part is that the Avengers never realize that of course DD would think they would want *him* to join. They are completely oblivious to anything except themselves.
@@tylerjones7592 The most disappointing thing about the Netflix TV series was they made The Hand utterly boring. Props for Kingpin and Bullseye though!
Spidey: I'm here, what's the test? Iron Man: We think you have the goods, but having you on the team would be a P.R. nightmare. Captian America: So in order to join, we need you to convince J Jonah Jameson to print a public apology in The Bugle for calling you a menace. Hawkeye: (sarcastically) Or you could beat up The Hulk. Spidey: Spidey: Look out Green Genes, here I come!
Hawkeye is just another Batman/Green Arrow type, only not a rich industrialist. Nothing special about any of them. Liam Neeson could kick his ass. Hell, Liam did beat up Batman, and burned down his house. Batman had to hit him with a train to stop him.
I feel like for so long in marvel history, writers kept bending over backwards to justify why Spider-Man shouldn’t join a team. And the way they did it was writing stories that character assassinated one or both parties.
In 1960s Spidey stories, anytime the Wasp appears she is all "I hate Spider-Man. Spiders and wasps are natural enemies so I hate him." She thinks that because she is named "The Wasp" she must hate anything an actual wasp hates.
The one thing that really irked me the most, about this story, was The Avengers' "test". I mean, I've seen the whole team try and take down the Hulk. But even with "their" combined might it would come down to nearly impossible. So by them sending out poor Spidey, alone, it seemed more like a suicide mission, rather than a test. So yes; you're correct in your review. The Avengers, in this issue, were complete butt-heads.
I know in most versions of Iron Man he's supposed to be full of himself but "If he doesn't recognise us just by looking at us he shouldn't join the team" is pushing it.
Considering The Hulk is a founding member of the team, AND the team currently had Hawkeye- a reformed criminal- the Avengers might have been too low class for Spidey to join (except for Cap- Cap raises the bar...).
And at one point the team was just Cap, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. 3 previous criminals, who only recently turned good. Or just said "we're good guys now". I mean Wanda and Pietro though now established heroes had much longer at the time been members of the Brotherhood of EVIL mutants under Magneto trying to rule or destroy the world. Basically major terrorists.
"Somebody get a drink of water for the Wasp." That made my day. That kind of snark is what keeps me watching. That and them wigs! Work that wig girl!! Good job Sasha!
I find it kind of funny in the Marvel universe, Spider-Man can’t join the Avengers because his reputation is too bad but that IRL, he actually can’t join them because he’s too popular and only characters that don’t have their own comic can join the Avengers.
Stan was a kid when hired. Editors were a dime a dozen. We usually celebrate the guys that last longer a run or two. Stan made being an editor appreciable, confirming he oversaw most issues during his tenure.
Maybe he was...but he was still a bona fide good writer as well. This was the guy who invented 'great power=great responsibility' all of spiderman quips and had a nuanced albeit short convo between 2 black characters in the 60s on the subject of civil rights
Compared to what was the norm for comics of the time this is actually decent. Thor's dialect alone is rather impressive in a way. Who else was using the word neophyte in books of the time? You got to also consider how many books he was likely working on at the time.
@@davejohn3600 this isn't stand best work but yeah it is ok. We need to remember annuals were a lot of extra work esp if you were also the regular writer. The stories were inevitably a little bit more off the rails than the monthlies
Boy, Daredevil must have been so disappointed. I mean he's summoned by the Avengers...to talk about Spiderman. Bummer. Although he was asked by Cap himself to join in New Avengers...40 YEARS LATER.
@@lancerutt9936 Plot twist: he did not join. 😏 He only joined Cap's Secret Avengers during Civil war (2007) and the second incarnation of the New Avengers run by Luke Cage (2010).
Yeah, they don't even realize how cruel they are being to Daredevil by doing this. Avengers: Daredevil? DD: Yes? Avengers: We asked you here because we are looking for someone to join our team. DD: Yes??? Avengers: What do you know about Spider-Man? DD: Yes! ... I mean, wait, what?
I'm assuming that Stan Lee didn't like the idea of Spider-Man being part of superhero team and that he feels narratively Spidey works better as a loner which is probably why he made the Avengers seem like jerks in this story as it will help explain why Spider-Man doesn't join the Avengers.
I guess? But this issue is pretty much a hit piece to justify a point. This is more like an alternate universe story of the Avengers right before they turned evil and took over the world or something,
Sasha: "Who's talking about how hot the Daredevil is?" Me: "Well, I mean there's an entire thread up on /r/Defenders as we speak dissecting Charlie Cox's abs, pecs and ass. So, quite a few people."
@@Artemisarrowzz Well technically that is true, though I would argue nobody is actually going "Yeah thanks for going wildly out of control." You don't tend to exile people into space when you think everything is hunkydory.
People always get on Hank for having insecurity issues when your but when your fiance is always talking about how hot the other Avengers are one has to wonder where they come from.
Silence, Neophyte! I love this issue as its good revenge for Amazing Spider-man 1 when Peter barged in on the Fantastic Four, demanded they recruit him... and then started to fight them to show them what he can do. The Fantastic Four are not that kind of team but the Avengers are and it would have worked on them.... just not if he was invited. For example: If he showed up out of nowhere, insulted them and claimed he killed Hank Pym, the rest would recruit him on the spot. Hell, the Wasp would marry him.
9:15 I think the "Avengers were trying to help the Hulk" thing was a last minute change when Marvel realised they came off as assholes in the issue by inviting Peter to join then insulting him and beating him up.
"You called him here, assaulted him and now you are beating him. Run, Peter!" 🤣 Poor Peter! He gets more love from the Green Goblin! It's a bad day to be Spider-Man! 😂🚫🕷🦸🏼♂️
Alas finding Spider-Man would have been much easier if he was crime fighting in a certain city always or if some sort of news person always kept tabs on him. Truly the avengers have a difficult task.
Wasp was also at peak craziness here with her "wasps and spiders are natural enemies so I don't like Spider-Man." For some reason she thought she was an actual wasp so she had to act like one.
@@jhornacek Actually, and this was established way back in "Tales to Astonish" No. 58, both Spider-Man and The Wasp had enough of their eponymous critters in them that, yes, they instinctually disliked each other. That's something that has been forgotten over the decades.
@@kimmetzger6630 I've never read that issue but I just read the summary on the Marvel wiki and there's nothing there about Spider-Man or the Wasp being part insect/arachnid. The Wasp in the 1960s did not have powers from a Wasp. Her shrinking powers were the same as Hank's growing/shrinking powers. Her wings and wasp-sting were synthetic. She wasn't bitten by a radioactive wasp, or merged with wasp DNA, or anything like that. It was Pym particles and tech. There is nothing in the Lee/Ditko/Romita era about Spider-Man being affected by his spider-DNA that caused him to act differently around anyone a spider would consider an enemy (like a wasp). When the Wasp meets Spider-Man during the 1960s (or just talks about him) she says "spiders and wasps are natural enemies so I don't like him". This has nothing to do with her powers or any Wasp-DNA (which she doesn't have), it's just Stan writing a woman in the 1960s and deciding that Janet has 2 reactions to a man - she thinks he's attractive and wants to date him, or she hates him. For Spider-Man, he has no opinion of the Wasp the times he meets her in the 1960s. There's no indication that his spider-powers causes him to instantly dislike her. The times he does meet her and dislikes her, it's because or what she says to him (i.e. "I'm a wasp so therefore I don't like you") or she just attacks him.
I remember this annual, it pissed me off so bad at the time. With the exception of Thor and maaaaybe Ironman, Spidey could pretty much kick the living crap out of that entire Avengers team all by himself, and they had the gumption to get all cocky on him and demand tests and crap when they didn't do such for so many other heroes (I think that Hawkeye, Swordsman, and Hercules literally just waltzed in and said "We're Avengers now!" At least Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch wrote and asked first, but other than a really short display of their powers, they weren't tested either!)
I want to see the Justice League version of this story, though they kind of did something similar in Young Justice when they were preparing to toss Captain Marvel because they found out he's actually just a kid
Well, they are not fair in the ways of joining new members. I mean Hawkeye endangered Jarvis’s life, but Spiderman endangered his life in order to fulfill their request
There was another odd story (a dream sequence) in Amazing Spider-Man #246 where Spider-Man was up for joining the Avengers, but somehow they saw from his reflection in Cap's shield that he was really young, so he got bumped. Guess his subconscious remembered what a bunch of jerks they had been to him in the past.
Peter really had to suffer... well, he often still have but i guess back then it was just... all bad days. Its kinda amusing how in this story it looks like Avengers are literally a ragtag team of weirdos who just happened to work together so they decided "Hey, lets call ourselves the Avengers, we can hang out in my mansion and do... whatever teams do when they don't fight evil guys" without any structure or administration whatsoever
Ever since you quoted Iron Man's stupid line you keep repeating it in every video and I laugh so hard each time! It's turned into a meme of yours, my congrats
Janet is the only one they got right. She hasn't taken her place as head of the Avengers yet, so she's still acting like the air-head socialite she has been. But Cap is supposed to be cool and collected. He should have talked to Spidey alone. Heck, he probably should have gone to find Spidey alone. He could have gone to the Bugle, to find out how they get so many pictures of him. When given the information on Peter, Cap probably would have figured it out. Of course, finding that Peter is still a minor in high school (unless he was in college at this time), the Avengers wouldn't have been able to offer him membership.
Also, the idea of a hero club, established by the Avengers, should have been a thing a long time ago. Just, located on a barge out in the bay. (There's a bay near New York, right?) Automatic target for all the bad guys.
First of all: Lady, this is one of my favorite hairstyle of yours ever! Red hair for a chat about Marvel is the best. Second of all: for things like this i have this love-hate relationship with the Avengers. Are we sure they're the goog guys?
I think the character who was the worst characterized was Captain America. A major part of his character is his sense of morality and how he does the right thing. But this Cap was so far outside that.
Oh where do I begin? Who treated Spiderman the worst? Wasp started it off. Tony is, has been, and always will be a jerk. Hank acted like he couldn't think any coherent thought until he heard Janet *(Wasp)* say she hated spiders. So he automatically was against it. Captain America acts like he's everyone's Dad instead of a team player. And of course Clint was just being Clint. All in all I believe that the story wanted you to see then all this way to give further validity to Spiderman initial story of trying to figure out his life as weird or semi weird things happen. Thank you for this Comic book Journey.
I missed you Sasha and your kaleidoscope of hairstyles : )!!! Always nice to see you posted a new vid. I think of you now as "PROFESSIONALLY COMICS!" Poor spidey tho, he's got it hard enough as it is with his family situation, losing Ben, being a young man, etc. etc. Also, extra points for your Iron Man electronic voice. Keep up the GREAT work, please! I'll keep tuning in!
6:45 if the Hulk's rampaging I'm sure *MOST* sane people, powered or otherwise, find a way to be "too busy elsewhere" to deal with it. I know I would be...
To be honest,I dont think the avengers really have the moral high ground hear Giant man beats his wife, Hawk eye is a reforming criminal Thor is a self agrandising bully, Wasp is boy crazy,and Tony Starke is the worst thing to happen to the Avengers sinse Doctor Doom Nope high ground gose to the Webhead
Captain America has the nerve to consider putting Spider-Man on a trainee program to be an Avenger! The hypocrisy stinks. They're quick to put ex-criminals Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Vision, who was created by Ultron, straight into their roster but won't let one of the most experienced superheroes join.
The Wasp has ALWAYS had an irrational dislike of Spider-Man. It started when they first met and it's even continued on with Nadia disliking him too for equally as much reason i.e. none. P.S. As a Wasp fan, I honestly don't think Janet had a single good thing to say or do until the late 1970s and even then she didn't really hit her stride until like '82.
1960s Spidey/Wasp appearances are full of the Wasp saying "I hate spiders. Spiders are natural enemies of wasps." Her hatred of Spidey has nothing to do with him as a person/hero. She literally only hates him because she's called "The Wasp" and in nature spiders and wasps are enemies.
Hank has some deep seated issues concerning insect themed heroes, despite having mostly bug identities himself. Backhands Spidey. Backhands the Wasp. Slow your roll Hank.
this was back before everybody knew Doc Banner's secret. Spidey was one of the few to have the inside scoop, what a story! but he doesn't even think of cashing in! good hombre!
I extended the story in my head and Spidey and Hulk come back to the mansion and kick butt and web everybody up, just for the hell of it. And the Avengers sit around while the webbing dissolves and ruminate about what a-holes they've been and decide to reset to zero and come together in humbleness and apologize to Spider-Man.
You had me worried for a while, saving the "disband" quote till the end. You need to do a video of your best voice clips. Spidey voice. Shark voice. "Disband."
Ummm, even if he needs help instead of punishment letting him wander off DOESN'T ACTUALLY GET HIM ANY HELP> Not to mention all the property damage and injuries and deaths that may ensue. How many "Uncle Ben's" are gonna die because Spidey let Hulk go? Yeah, I went there.
....Love you too, supremely sassy, salt slingin siren. I watch the ads dear Sister, because I can't yet support otherwise, but......soon. I have a reprint of this one, and it showcases the easy story trope of miscommunication causing further confusion. Easy fodder for poor Spidey's continued "perpetual rainy day". Thank you for the hard work, and tireless efforts to produce STELLAR content for these comic book journeys. PEACE, and God bless.
A similar thing happened with the Fantastic Four, in the first issue of The Amazing Spider-Man. They didn't invite him though. He just showed up and wanted to join. Peter needed money, and thought he'd get paid for being a member. Reed and the gang were upset that he came by, and tried to trap him with one of Reed's inventions. Spidey escaped, though, and the Thing tried to clobber him. Finally someone talked like an adult, and told Spidey he wouldn't get paid. So he lost all interest and left. End of the story. Early Marvel is weird.
@@fasalalghamdi4678 Roger Stern and Mark Gruenwald most definitely did not forget . Amazing Spider-Man Annual #3 is footnoted when Thor offers Spidey membership in Avengers #221. Spidey turns Thor down saying "Like I told you years ago, I'm not much of a joiner." in Avengers #235, after running into a jogging She-Hulk, he learns that Avengers receive a $1000 per week stipend. It's the prospect of a steady paycheck that changes Spidey's mind and leads him to seek out Avenger membership in Avengers #236-237. Again, the latter story was from early eighties Marvel, from creators who were obsessive about maintaining continuity and where they footnoted everything so you could seek out back issues. This wasn't sixties Marvel where Stan Lee and Roy Thomas were winging it from month to month or 21st century Marvel where Brian Michael Bendis couldn't be arsed to do his research properly.
Love the Freaks shout-out, Sasha! Damn, the Avengers are mega-rude! They call Daredevil over and are like: "So, do you think Spider-Man would make a good Avenger?" I mean, damn, offer Daredevil a shot while he's there. Then they try to jump Spider-Man in like a gang. I don't blame Spidey! No way I would join that bunch of jerks! I'll bet all those Marvel Team-Up issues were awkward off panel!
The three obvious tests to join any superhero group is to: A, have come back from the dead at least once, B, have stopped at least two alien invasions and C, changed costumes needlessly at least three times.
When he goes to join the FF it's his first issue. He doesn't have the job with the Bugle yet so he's looking for money. But the FF tell him they don't have a salary. By the time of this story, Peter has found a job with the Bugle that pays the bills. So while he still has money problems here and there, he's not as desperate to join a team for the money as he was.
We can easily assume that Spiderman can lift Thor's hammer. Imagine if he did that at the Avenger's meeting. All of them would have needed an underwear change.
@@arcanask Spidey has actually killed at least a dozen people over the years. Just Google "Spider-Man killed a guy" and you'll find lists of people he has killed - either accidentally or deliberately.
@@arcanask Don't know if/when it has been stated that Spidey can't lift Thor's hammer because he has never killed anyone. But like I said, there are at least a dozen times it's happened over his entire history, going back to ASM annual #5 written by Stan himself. So it's not like the times Spidey killed someone were secrets or happened so long ago no one remembers them.
Not from a Spider-Man perspective. Here Spidey knows that he doesn't belong on a team and he's better than all of them. In the MCU he's a Tony Stark fanboy who for some reason wants to be an Avenger more than anything and can't do anything without thinking what Tony would think about it. If you've read the comics first, the MCU depiction of Spidey is pretty bad.
@@jhornacek True! I was more thinking about the Avengers. In the movies they are well more professional whereas in the comics they are at times quite disjointed. Back when I was reading spidey regularly he was BIGGER than the Avenger - a much bigger deal. It is only the odd handling of the characters recently that has flipped things.
I’d give Spider-Man the perfect test. A test so immaculate he’d never be able to beat it, maybe never even truly ending the test. the test to gain Lois lanes Love!
The Avengers really just jumped Peter in and then asked him to earn his colors by taking out someone. Are we sure they are the good guys?
That's real.
In the Mcu they are however civil war addressed their actions
Hawkeye: you don't have any special abilities! You can't join.
Spiderman: Your special ability is good aim!
Yeah
@@adrianomoraes5992 Spiderman doesn't do that
@@netonnaanigbogu8304 that was the joke
I am gonna put some dirt in your eye
@@adrianomoraes5992 That was the joke.
"It's just sad and depressing," is honestly a really good summation of early Spider-Man, tbh.
Which is why Tobys Spider-man is the m8st accurate of the three
@@jimmyju76 *screeches in rage*
Why do scientists, like Bruce banner and Dr Curtis, wear those purple monster pants???
modern spider man too why do the writers hate peter so much
Fun fact: in this comic Peter Parker becomes the first Marvel hero to know that the Hulk is ‘two people’ and that the other person is Bruce Banner.
The Avengers contact DD to ask about Spider-man.
Daredevil must have felt like the girl who thinks she's getting invited to the prom by the prom king, only to find out that prom king wants to ask out her friend.
"Dude, we don't want you, we want your friend."
"Sorry, Daredevil, your Rogues Gallery includes Stilt Man, The Masked Matador, and Leap Frog. You're too lame for the Avengers."
The worst part is that the Avengers never realize that of course DD would think they would want *him* to join. They are completely oblivious to anything except themselves.
@@rackstraw Bulleye, the hand and kingpin: are we a joke to you
@@tylerjones7592 The most disappointing thing about the Netflix TV series was they made The Hand utterly boring. Props for Kingpin and Bullseye though!
"In fact we should disband while we have the chance"
For a second there I feared that she wasn't gonna use that clip. Luckily she didn't let us down.
I wonder if she will make some merch.
"At the time of this recording"
Spidey: I'm here, what's the test?
Iron Man: We think you have the goods, but having you on the team would be a P.R. nightmare.
Captian America: So in order to join, we need you to convince J Jonah Jameson to print a public apology in The Bugle for calling you a menace.
Hawkeye: (sarcastically) Or you could beat up The Hulk.
Spidey:
Spidey: Look out Green Genes, here I come!
Ha ha ha😆😆😆😆😆😆😄😄😃😃🤣🤣🤣🤣😀😀
(Punches Grey Hulk into Space)
Spidey: Does that count?
Avengers: No.
Makes more sense than the actual story.
Hawkeye calling out Spider-man is priceless. Your super power consists of 'is pretty damn good at archery' what the heck are you even doing here?
Yeah you're right
You're really good with a weapon that has been obsolete for centuries.
Hawkeye is just another Batman/Green Arrow type, only not a rich industrialist. Nothing special about any of them. Liam Neeson could kick his ass. Hell, Liam did beat up Batman, and burned down his house. Batman had to hit him with a train to stop him.
The same Hawkeye that threw a hissyfit when Gyrich replaced him with Falcon for "DIVERSITY" purposes.
I feel like for so long in marvel history, writers kept bending over backwards to justify why Spider-Man shouldn’t join a team. And the way they did it was writing stories that character assassinated one or both parties.
sometimes you just gotta forcefully put off something for 40 years y'know
It’s almost as if people in real life will have conflicting personalities
In 1960s Spidey stories, anytime the Wasp appears she is all "I hate Spider-Man. Spiders and wasps are natural enemies so I hate him." She thinks that because she is named "The Wasp" she must hate anything an actual wasp hates.
Gotta stay on brand
I think the test should've been spidey trying to make sense out of their lack of communication skills
What I was thinking!
The one thing that really irked me the most, about this story, was The Avengers' "test". I mean, I've seen the whole team try and take down the Hulk. But even
with "their" combined might it would come down to nearly impossible. So by them sending out poor Spidey, alone, it seemed more like a suicide mission, rather than
a test. So yes; you're correct in your review. The Avengers, in this issue, were complete butt-heads.
"Glamour pants" was the all-purpose insult in the 60s, obviously. Go for the trousers every time.
"If he can't recognize us by sight, Cap--then he's not the man we're looking for!"
Is that why Daredevil isn't on the team?
I know in most versions of Iron Man he's supposed to be full of himself but "If he doesn't recognise us just by looking at us he shouldn't join the team" is pushing it.
Sick burn.
Considering The Hulk is a founding member of the team, AND the team currently had Hawkeye- a reformed criminal- the Avengers might have been too low class for Spidey to join (except for Cap- Cap raises the bar...).
And at one point the team was just Cap, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. 3 previous criminals, who only recently turned good. Or just said "we're good guys now". I mean Wanda and Pietro though now established heroes had much longer at the time been members of the Brotherhood of EVIL mutants under Magneto trying to rule or destroy the world. Basically major terrorists.
"Somebody get a drink of water for the Wasp." That made my day. That kind of snark is what keeps me watching. That and them wigs! Work that wig girl!! Good job Sasha!
I find it kind of funny in the Marvel universe, Spider-Man can’t join the Avengers because his reputation is too bad but that IRL, he actually can’t join them because he’s too popular and only characters that don’t have their own comic can join the Avengers.
They msde Janet Van Dyne extremely passive aggressive, gave her the back hand before Yellowjacket did, and one thirsty woman.
Spiderman: Can I join? 🥺👉👈
Avengers: No you're trash 🤬
Spiderman: Understandable have a nice day 🥺👉👈
Spidey doesn't even want to join the Avengers here. He has to talk himself into it.
To me this story was a demonstration that Stan Lee was a better idea man and editor than he was a writer.
Yep, that he was. IMO to this day marvel surfers of an idea man and/or editor like him.
Stan was a kid when hired. Editors were a dime a dozen. We usually celebrate the guys that last longer a run or two.
Stan made being an editor appreciable, confirming he oversaw most issues during his tenure.
Maybe he was...but he was still a bona fide good writer as well. This was the guy who invented 'great power=great responsibility' all of spiderman quips and had a nuanced albeit short convo between 2 black characters in the 60s on the subject of civil rights
Compared to what was the norm for comics of the time this is actually decent. Thor's dialect alone is rather impressive in a way. Who else was using the word neophyte in books of the time? You got to also consider how many books he was likely working on at the time.
@@davejohn3600 this isn't stand best work but yeah it is ok. We need to remember annuals were a lot of extra work esp if you were also the regular writer. The stories were inevitably a little bit more off the rails than the monthlies
It’s a good showing for Peter. Despite the misunderstanding it conveys Peter’s high moral character.
There a reason why Batman works alone and makes his own team...
You see what happen to spidey
Boy, Daredevil must have been so disappointed. I mean he's summoned by the Avengers...to talk about Spiderman. Bummer. Although he was asked by Cap himself to join in New Avengers...40 YEARS LATER.
In comic book times, it was probably 40 days later
@@lancerutt9936 yeah
@@lancerutt9936
Plot twist: he did not join. 😏
He only joined Cap's Secret Avengers during Civil war (2007) and the second incarnation of the New Avengers run by Luke Cage (2010).
@@lancerutt9936 More like 11 to 12 years Marvel Time.
Yeah, they don't even realize how cruel they are being to Daredevil by doing this.
Avengers: Daredevil?
DD: Yes?
Avengers: We asked you here because we are looking for someone to join our team.
DD: Yes???
Avengers: What do you know about Spider-Man?
DD: Yes! ... I mean, wait, what?
I'm assuming that Stan Lee didn't like the idea of Spider-Man being part of superhero team and that he feels narratively Spidey works better as a loner which is probably why he made the Avengers seem like jerks in this story as it will help explain why Spider-Man doesn't join the Avengers.
I guess? But this issue is pretty much a hit piece to justify a point. This is more like an alternate universe story of the Avengers right before they turned evil and took over the world or something,
@@queenannsrevenge100 I can see what Stan Lee was going for but I agree that the execution wasn't good.
Can we have a full 1 hour video about every time Tony Stark did some amoral bs?
One hour wouldn't be enough!
@@ericbunker6242 true, half out it would only cover Civil War.
I think in the Exiles comic they stated that Stark was usually a bad guy in the alternate universes. So, Stark as a good guy is a RARE thing.
Only an hour?
Iron man is my favorite villain.
Last time I was this early Bucky was still considered perma-dead.
Sasha: "Who's talking about how hot the Daredevil is?"
Me: "Well, I mean there's an entire thread up on /r/Defenders as we speak dissecting Charlie Cox's abs, pecs and ass. So, quite a few people."
Shame we'll never get THIS version in an Avengers movie
"Everyone bully Peter and Hulk! Ha! Nerds!"
No that would have made The Avengers totally unlikable
Anyone got Zack Snyder’s phone number? 😉
@@queenannsrevenge100 lmao
if spidy called Thor glamor pant in front of MCU Tony "kid your in"
"We're not impressed by your strength or temper tantrums" implies there is a way to do impressive temper tantrums.
I mean, look at Hulk. Impressive temper tantrums is his super power.
@@Artemisarrowzz Well technically that is true, though I would argue nobody is actually going "Yeah thanks for going wildly out of control." You don't tend to exile people into space when you think everything is hunkydory.
@@Polycomical I guess Hulk just crossed the line between "impressive" and "absolutely deadly"
@@Artemisarrowzz This is why we have performance reviews.
@@Polycomical lol That's the real reason they keep Hawkeye in the team, they need an average to compare to
People always get on Hank for having insecurity issues when your but when your fiance is always talking about how hot the other Avengers are one has to wonder where they come from.
Well clearly, he can’t perform where it matters. They don’t call him “ant man” for nothing.
Well clearly, he performs where it matters. They don't call him "Giant-Man" and "Goliath" for nothing.
@@bryanabbott6169 you know he’s compensating.
Silence, Neophyte! I love this issue as its good revenge for Amazing Spider-man 1 when Peter barged in on the Fantastic Four, demanded they recruit him... and then started to fight them to show them what he can do. The Fantastic Four are not that kind of team but the Avengers are and it would have worked on them.... just not if he was invited.
For example: If he showed up out of nowhere, insulted them and claimed he killed Hank Pym, the rest would recruit him on the spot. Hell, the Wasp would marry him.
9:15 I think the "Avengers were trying to help the Hulk" thing was a last minute change when Marvel realised they came off as assholes in the issue by inviting Peter to join then insulting him and beating him up.
"You called him here, assaulted him and now you are beating him. Run, Peter!" 🤣
Poor Peter! He gets more love from the Green Goblin! It's a bad day to be Spider-Man! 😂🚫🕷🦸🏼♂️
Alas finding Spider-Man would have been much easier if he was crime fighting in a certain city always or if some sort of news person always kept tabs on him. Truly the avengers have a difficult task.
Hey, not all the Avenger were mean in this issue! Wasp was mostly thirsty.
Yeah
Wasp was also at peak craziness here with her "wasps and spiders are natural enemies so I don't like Spider-Man." For some reason she thought she was an actual wasp so she had to act like one.
@@jhornacek Actually, and this was established way back in "Tales to Astonish" No. 58, both Spider-Man and The Wasp had enough of their eponymous critters in them that, yes, they instinctually disliked each other. That's something that has been forgotten over the decades.
@@kimmetzger6630 I've never read that issue but I just read the summary on the Marvel wiki and there's nothing there about Spider-Man or the Wasp being part insect/arachnid.
The Wasp in the 1960s did not have powers from a Wasp. Her shrinking powers were the same as Hank's growing/shrinking powers. Her wings and wasp-sting were synthetic. She wasn't bitten by a radioactive wasp, or merged with wasp DNA, or anything like that. It was Pym particles and tech.
There is nothing in the Lee/Ditko/Romita era about Spider-Man being affected by his spider-DNA that caused him to act differently around anyone a spider would consider an enemy (like a wasp).
When the Wasp meets Spider-Man during the 1960s (or just talks about him) she says "spiders and wasps are natural enemies so I don't like him". This has nothing to do with her powers or any Wasp-DNA (which she doesn't have), it's just Stan writing a woman in the 1960s and deciding that Janet has 2 reactions to a man - she thinks he's attractive and wants to date him, or she hates him.
For Spider-Man, he has no opinion of the Wasp the times he meets her in the 1960s. There's no indication that his spider-powers causes him to instantly dislike her. The times he does meet her and dislikes her, it's because or what she says to him (i.e. "I'm a wasp so therefore I don't like you") or she just attacks him.
I haven't watched the video yet but I'm waiting for that special Iron Man quote
EDIT: YES
I remember this annual, it pissed me off so bad at the time. With the exception of Thor and maaaaybe Ironman, Spidey could pretty much kick the living crap out of that entire Avengers team all by himself, and they had the gumption to get all cocky on him and demand tests and crap when they didn't do such for so many other heroes (I think that Hawkeye, Swordsman, and Hercules literally just waltzed in and said "We're Avengers now!" At least Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch wrote and asked first, but other than a really short display of their powers, they weren't tested either!)
I want to see the Justice League version of this story, though they kind of did something similar in Young Justice when they were preparing to toss Captain Marvel because they found out he's actually just a kid
Domestic Avengers #19: Captain America Misses a day of Work to wait for the TV Repair Man
The Avengers should have just brought Spiderman along on a mission to see how well he worked with them, but that would have made too much sense!
Has there ever been a time when the answer to “Which Avenger came off the worst” was *not* either Tony Stark or Hank Pym?
Well, they are not fair in the ways of joining new members. I mean Hawkeye endangered Jarvis’s life, but Spiderman endangered his life in order to fulfill their request
Despite the weird meanness of the overall comic, the scene between Bruce and Peter is very sweet
It seems like in early Marvel the writers beefs bleed into the books when one writer's characters ended up in another writer's book
There was another odd story (a dream sequence) in Amazing Spider-Man #246 where Spider-Man was up for joining the Avengers, but somehow they saw from his reflection in Cap's shield that he was really young, so he got bumped. Guess his subconscious remembered what a bunch of jerks they had been to him in the past.
Peter really had to suffer... well, he often still have but i guess back then it was just... all bad days. Its kinda amusing how in this story it looks like Avengers are literally a ragtag team of weirdos who just happened to work together so they decided "Hey, lets call ourselves the Avengers, we can hang out in my mansion and do... whatever teams do when they don't fight evil guys" without any structure or administration whatsoever
If there isn't a patreon level where you can hear Sasha read an entire issue of a classic comic doing all the voices, there should be!
I'm all for that. the way she voices Spiderman is hilarious!
Ever since you quoted Iron Man's stupid line you keep repeating it in every video and I laugh so hard each time! It's turned into a meme of yours, my congrats
Didn't the Avengers have their danger ...er "training room" set up at this point? So...either running that or webbing up Jarvis and then freeing him
Avengers: We gotta test you.
Spider-Man: Uh.... Ok **starts swinging on everyone**
Janet is the only one they got right. She hasn't taken her place as head of the Avengers yet, so she's still acting like the air-head socialite she has been. But Cap is supposed to be cool and collected. He should have talked to Spidey alone. Heck, he probably should have gone to find Spidey alone. He could have gone to the Bugle, to find out how they get so many pictures of him. When given the information on Peter, Cap probably would have figured it out. Of course, finding that Peter is still a minor in high school (unless he was in college at this time), the Avengers wouldn't have been able to offer him membership.
Also, the idea of a hero club, established by the Avengers, should have been a thing a long time ago. Just, located on a barge out in the bay. (There's a bay near New York, right?) Automatic target for all the bad guys.
He was in college when he got his motorcycle.
First of all: Lady, this is one of my favorite hairstyle of yours ever! Red hair for a chat about Marvel is the best. Second of all: for things like this i have this love-hate relationship with the Avengers. Are we sure they're the goog guys?
6:10 I knew it was coming, but it still gave me the classic wince-smile.
I suddenly find myself wanting a team-up of Iron Man, Spider-Man, and Daredevil... Shell-Head, Web-Head, and Horn-Head.
Probably to go after MODOK.
rotf
The Avengers as jerks has become one of my favourite things.
Combined with with one of my favourite Sasha hairstyles, this is a good day!
I know, right? Sometimes it’s fun to try to guess the hair color/style before opening the post...
The Merida look really works for her.
I started a CASUALLY COMICS fan group, but we disbanded while we had the chance
Well played. 👏
I think the character who was the worst characterized was Captain America.
A major part of his character is his sense of morality and how he does the right thing. But this Cap was so far outside that.
Oh where do I begin? Who treated Spiderman the worst?
Wasp started it off. Tony is, has been, and always will be a jerk. Hank acted like he couldn't think any coherent thought until he heard Janet *(Wasp)* say she hated spiders. So he automatically was against it. Captain America acts like he's everyone's Dad instead of a team player. And of course Clint was just being Clint.
All in all I believe that the story wanted you to see then all this way to give further validity to Spiderman initial story of trying to figure out his life as weird or semi weird things happen.
Thank you for this Comic book Journey.
Your voices for the characters are always very entertaining.
I missed you Sasha and your kaleidoscope of hairstyles : )!!! Always nice to see you posted a new vid. I think of you now as "PROFESSIONALLY COMICS!" Poor spidey tho, he's got it hard enough as it is with his family situation, losing Ben, being a young man, etc. etc. Also, extra points for your Iron Man electronic voice. Keep up the GREAT work, please! I'll keep tuning in!
0:11 Sasha, I'm not meant to counter my wiki like that in the wild. It shocks me every time.
6:45 if the Hulk's rampaging I'm sure *MOST* sane people, powered or otherwise, find a way to be "too busy elsewhere" to deal with it.
I know I would be...
To be honest,I dont think the avengers really have the moral high ground hear Giant man beats his wife, Hawk eye is a reforming criminal Thor is a self agrandising bully, Wasp is boy crazy,and Tony Starke is the worst thing to happen to the Avengers sinse Doctor Doom Nope high ground gose to the Webhead
Captain America has the nerve to consider putting Spider-Man on a trainee program to be an Avenger! The hypocrisy stinks. They're quick to put ex-criminals Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Vision, who was created by Ultron, straight into their roster but won't let one of the most experienced superheroes join.
Say, that's an angle?
And Quicksilver
@@craversaints921 Oh yeah, forgot he was a crim before becoming an Avenger.
The Wasp has ALWAYS had an irrational dislike of Spider-Man. It started when they first met and it's even continued on with Nadia disliking him too for equally as much reason i.e. none.
P.S. As a Wasp fan, I honestly don't think Janet had a single good thing to say or do until the late 1970s and even then she didn't really hit her stride until like '82.
1960s Spidey/Wasp appearances are full of the Wasp saying "I hate spiders. Spiders are natural enemies of wasps." Her hatred of Spidey has nothing to do with him as a person/hero. She literally only hates him because she's called "The Wasp" and in nature spiders and wasps are enemies.
Because of this issue I like to think hulk and spider man are freinds.
Nothing can stop hanks backhand
Hank has some deep seated issues concerning insect themed heroes, despite having mostly bug identities himself. Backhands Spidey. Backhands the Wasp. Slow your roll Hank.
Given that this is a Spider-Man annual it’s not surprising that the Avengers aren’t shown in a heroic light...it’s not their title
something tells me that Silver Age Wasp and Silver Age Lois Lane would really get along
SPIDEY; Yeah screw this I'm going over to the Justice League.
Maybe they SHOULD have disbanded while they had the chance
this was back before everybody knew Doc Banner's secret. Spidey was one of the few to have the inside scoop, what a story! but he doesn't even think of cashing in! good hombre!
I extended the story in my head and Spidey and Hulk come back to the mansion and kick butt and web everybody up, just for the hell of it. And the Avengers sit around while the webbing dissolves and ruminate about what a-holes they've been and decide to reset to zero and come together in humbleness and apologize to Spider-Man.
Stories and character dynamics like this are why I grew up a DC guy.
3:01
It seems that Tony wanted to disband the Avengers from the moment they were founded.
That Peter Parker voice has me dying.
You had me worried for a while, saving the "disband" quote till the end. You need to do a video of your best voice clips. Spidey voice. Shark voice. "Disband."
Ummm, even if he needs help instead of punishment letting him wander off DOESN'T ACTUALLY GET HIM ANY HELP> Not to mention all the property damage and injuries and deaths that may ensue. How many "Uncle Ben's" are gonna die because Spidey let Hulk go? Yeah, I went there.
....Love you too, supremely sassy, salt slingin siren. I watch the ads dear Sister, because I can't yet support otherwise, but......soon. I have a reprint of this one, and it showcases the easy story trope of miscommunication causing further confusion. Easy fodder for poor Spidey's continued "perpetual rainy day". Thank you for the hard work, and tireless efforts to produce STELLAR content for these comic book journeys. PEACE, and God bless.
I need a shirt that says "leave Spidey alone!!!"
Wow! Just wow! What the hell were they thinking when they wrote this comic?!
I love your hollow metallic Iron Man voice!
Did the test Wonder Man or Vision? I think they were both villains like five minutes before they were offered Avengers membership. Crazy.
It's amazing how much people today gush on Captain America's leadership and teambuilding prowess.
Loving your videos, also incredible hair!!
A similar thing happened with the Fantastic Four, in the first issue of The Amazing Spider-Man. They didn't invite him though. He just showed up and wanted to join. Peter needed money, and thought he'd get paid for being a member. Reed and the gang were upset that he came by, and tried to trap him with one of Reed's inventions. Spidey escaped, though, and the Thing tried to clobber him. Finally someone talked like an adult, and told Spidey he wouldn't get paid. So he lost all interest and left. End of the story.
Early Marvel is weird.
Wait, is that before that issue when Spider Man wants to join ?
Years before. That other issue was from 1983. This annual is from 1966.
@@dngillikin They probably forgot about that issue and wrote the other issue when Spider Man asked to join the Avengers well any way thank you 👍
@@fasalalghamdi4678 Roger Stern and Mark Gruenwald most definitely did not forget . Amazing Spider-Man Annual #3 is footnoted when Thor offers Spidey membership in Avengers #221. Spidey turns Thor down saying "Like I told you years ago, I'm not much of a joiner."
in Avengers #235, after running into a jogging She-Hulk, he learns that Avengers receive a $1000 per week stipend. It's the prospect of a steady paycheck that changes Spidey's mind and leads him to seek out Avenger membership in Avengers #236-237.
Again, the latter story was from early eighties Marvel, from creators who were obsessive about maintaining continuity and where they footnoted everything so you could seek out back issues. This wasn't sixties Marvel where Stan Lee and Roy Thomas were winging it from month to month or 21st century Marvel where Brian Michael Bendis couldn't be arsed to do his research properly.
The Avengers! With friends like them, who needs enemies?
Love the Freaks shout-out, Sasha! Damn, the Avengers are mega-rude! They call Daredevil over and are like: "So, do you think Spider-Man would make a good Avenger?" I mean, damn, offer Daredevil a shot while he's there. Then they try to jump Spider-Man in like a gang. I don't blame Spidey! No way I would join that bunch of jerks! I'll bet all those Marvel Team-Up issues were awkward off panel!
awesome vid! your hair looks amazing.
The three obvious tests to join any superhero group is to: A, have come back from the dead at least once, B, have stopped at least two alien invasions and C, changed costumes needlessly at least three times.
funny that Spider-Man wouldn't want to join the Avengers, he wanted to join the Fantastic Four in Amazing Spider-Man #1
When he goes to join the FF it's his first issue. He doesn't have the job with the Bugle yet so he's looking for money. But the FF tell him they don't have a salary.
By the time of this story, Peter has found a job with the Bugle that pays the bills. So while he still has money problems here and there, he's not as desperate to join a team for the money as he was.
The avengers don’t deserve Spider-Man to be on their team! They are rude, quick to judge & less helpful torts him! Spidey is better off alone.
I wasn't familiar with this story. Thanks for reviewing it. It was very interesting. Why don't we disband while we have the chance?
Wasp finding Daredevil hot? Does she have a death wish? Horrible things happen to any woman Matt Murdock is with.
We can easily assume that Spiderman can lift Thor's hammer. Imagine if he did that at the Avenger's meeting. All of them would have needed an underwear change.
Yeah
I do believe it has been explained that he could never lift the hammer as Spidey refuses to kill anyone.
@@arcanask Spidey has actually killed at least a dozen people over the years. Just Google "Spider-Man killed a guy" and you'll find lists of people he has killed - either accidentally or deliberately.
@@jhornacek can't be helped if marvel can't keep their canon straight. 🤷♂️
@@arcanask Don't know if/when it has been stated that Spidey can't lift Thor's hammer because he has never killed anyone. But like I said, there are at least a dozen times it's happened over his entire history, going back to ASM annual #5 written by Stan himself. So it's not like the times Spidey killed someone were secrets or happened so long ago no one remembers them.
As much as I like comics, there are moments when the adapted version (e.g. MCU movies) are superior than the source material. Here is a great example.
Not from a Spider-Man perspective. Here Spidey knows that he doesn't belong on a team and he's better than all of them.
In the MCU he's a Tony Stark fanboy who for some reason wants to be an Avenger more than anything and can't do anything without thinking what Tony would think about it. If you've read the comics first, the MCU depiction of Spidey is pretty bad.
@@jhornacek True! I was more thinking about the Avengers. In the movies they are well more professional whereas in the comics they are at times quite disjointed. Back when I was reading spidey regularly he was BIGGER than the Avenger - a much bigger deal. It is only the odd handling of the characters recently that has flipped things.
I’d give Spider-Man the perfect test. A test so immaculate he’d never be able to beat it, maybe never even truly ending the test. the test to gain Lois lanes Love!
They'd be married by the next day and you know it.
He'd have to get John Wick's marker.