Regarding battery longevity, keep in mind that comparison with battery life in a cell phone is not realistic. Modern EV batteries have sophisticated temperature controls for all conditions, using special circulation of liquid coolants, unlike phone or tablet batteries that at best rely on less effective air cooling. so modern high quality EV batteries can last many many years when charged efficiently. Likely exceeding the effective life of the rest of the vehicle.
Since filming, my actual full range has settled at about 375 miles, which, my Mercedes advisor tells me is down to my "driving profile and driving style"! What I think he was saying is if you enjoy driving the car, it will be reflected in the real life range figures. However, it is still a big jump from most EVs and removes one of the big concerns for new buyers of battery driven cars. Irrespective of the performance, what we didn't say, but perhaps should have, is that the Taycan has an incredible visual appeal and presence, it is a very cool car.
Yeah - I'd ask for a partial refund if you're getting that kind of range. 😆 In all serious still very impressive and it needs to be as it's the kind of car which is likely to do the longer journeys.
I have a base model 450+ (the AMG Line one) so it is missing a few key things you have such as the extra driving aids, double glazing and cooled seats. I also have the basic screen - not the Hyperscreen. It looks like you have the Burmester sound upgrade - and this is an absolute MUST have. The basic 'stereo' that I have is woefully poor! I'd have to go back at least 25 years to name a car with this level of audio 'quality'. Extremely poor to the point that I just don't use it and enjoy the (not as silent as yours) silence. How anyone at Mercedes thought this was decent enough to fit to a car, let alone an EQS, is a mystery. Without double glazing I actually think it is a noisy car. You really can hear outside traffic whooshing by. Other niggles I have - and not sure if you get the same on your model - Firstly, it never remembers your last drive mode and sets it automatically. It asks you if you want to use your last drive mode - which is a pain because, on startup it seems to set itself randomly to either Comfort or Sport. I live in London and there is really no point in moving out of Eco unless I get out of London and onto a motorway. Secondly, the regen setting is never remembered. You always need to pull the paddle to set Strong regen as it always starts and defaults to Normal. Thirdly, reflection of the dash on the windscreen really is terrible. I've never known anything as bad. You even get the reflections of the red stitching from the side panels in the side windows. Finally, the A pillars and B pillars are incredibly wide/thick. It is a little tricky pulling out of junctions with such thick pillars. Regardless of the niggles it is, for the most part, a nice car to drive. Very comfortable and I like the torque. The Mercedes app tells me that, with my driving style and a 100% battery, my range is 540 miles (or 432 miles if the battery is only charged to 80%)! That's using the A/C and with 2/3 people in the car. I'd say that is amazingly good. It'll go down considerably on a long motorway run but still... it's impressive.
@@jp6975 I have done my long trip now and can say a few things about the EQS and, I suspect, EVs in general: 1, They do not like high speed motorway drives as they are heavy. I managed to get my estimated range down to 307, but that changed the minute I started the stop/start of normal driving. This is the complete inverse of my old Audi, which gave me fantastic mileage on the motorway, but only 23 mpg in town. 2. It is dangerously quiet at all speeds, several times I was shocked at the speed I was doing, but also as I drove back in a storm, so comfortable, so planted and solid. I did the drive the whole way back from middle Jockland and felt good at the end, elapsed time of about 9 hours including charging. This is an autobahn cruiser of brilliant quality 3. The charging network is really hit or miss, several turkeys and a bit shout out for the Ionity at Stafford, charged to 95% in 40 minutes, brilliant 4. Disappointing radio reception, DAB radio and Absolute dropped in and out, but mainly out. Also Apple Play dominates the screen and often failed to connect to the car 5. In a storm, where you have so much on, wipers, lights, etc., battery use is massive and a 200+ charge lasted less than 140 miles. 6. Love the overall quality and "drive", easily the best car to drive long distance, although in the storm weather, it needed another charge to get home
@@blooders4224 Good update and info on your trip. I'm hoping to get quite a bit more than 307 miles on my trip. Your model is laden with more gadgets and tech than mine and the quoted range is around 50 miles less than my base model. However, they might be the same on motorways and I might only get a better range on town driving. Time will tell.
@@blooders4224 Less of the Jockland mate,we will have a toll at the border soon,best Golf courses in the World,we will charge Morris Dancers like you double to play them👍
They don't make the 80% of the battery 100% because it's ok to charge NMC batteries to 100% as long as you use it the next day. It only degrades the battery significantly if it STAYS above 80% for a long period of time. Therefore, for daily driving, charge to 60%-80%, and for road trips, charge to 100% for the first leg, and 80% for subsequent legs (due to charging speed slowing down significantly after 80%)
This was a very interesting comparison and one that is quite pertinent to me. I’m in the UK and during the last year I have owned both an Audi R/S etron GT ( built on the same platform as the Taycan and roughly equivalent to the Taycan Turbo) and an EQS 450+. Here are my observations: My first EV was the Audi (ignoring a short term lease of a Jaguar I-Pace which I didn’t like at all). I owned the Audi for about 5 months. It was an excellent car, great build quality and very powerful. My big problem with it was that, even with the glass roof, I found it very claustrophobic and my rear seat passengers moaned constantly about being cramped! It was also, for a larger chap, (i’m 6’ 3”) very difficult to get in and out of - maybe due to the positioning of the B pillar which in my driving position was further forward then my seating position. The acceleration was phenomenal, but after doing the launch party-piece a few times became rather redundant on British roads. Because of these issues I sold it and bought the EQS and have not regretted that for a moment. I have owned ICE S-Classes in the past and although I don’t think that the EQS is quite as luxurious, it is nearly on a par. I don’t miss having less power than the Audi, 0 to 60mph in less then 6 seconds is perfectly adequate and coupled with the instant torque of an EV I have never felt underpowered. Inside the cabin is a class apart from the Audi. The EQS has an extremely spacious airy interior - no more complaints from my passengers and much easier to get in and out of. Admittedly, the EQS might not be as pretty to look at as the Taycan or the R/S Etron GT but in the flesh it’s still quite handsome. My argument is that I’m the one inside the car taking advantage of the comfort and technology. I’m not too worried about what other people are seeing from the outside. The only thing that I would have changed about Keith’s car is the interior colour. I prefer something lighter and have gone with the beige leather which is almost certainly less practical but looks stunning. It all boils down to personal preference. Finally I have a question for Keith. The EQS has a setting that allows a view of traffic lights to pop up on the screen when you are at the head of the queueing traffic at a red light. This makes it easier to see when the lights change rather than craning your head to get a view through the windscreen. I found this very useful but unfortunately since Mercedes updated my software this facility is no longer working. Does it work in your car, Keith?
Thanks Paul, this was a very interesting read and I have to agree with everything you've said there. Particularly the point about getting in and out of the e-tron GT / Taycan. It's not easy. I'm 6'6" and the B pillars really do get in the way. I really don't see why it needs to be a 4 door - especially given the lack of room in the rear. Should've just made it a 2 door with lift up seats!
It certainly does and it has been updated lately. I agree it is a useful feature, especially when facing the sun. My only criticism of the car so far, is it seems to have a lot of reflections on the windscreen, especially on bright sunny days. Has anyone noticed the same?
@@blooders4224 I haven’t really noticed excessive reflections on the windscreen. You must be in a sunnier part of the UK! We don’t get much sun in South Yorkshire. I have the exclusive luxury model but without the hyperscreen which wasn’t available when I bought my car. Do you find reflections from the hyperscreen irritating?
@@PaulClh No, the Hyperscreen is brilliant, except it shows fingerprints in certain light. The windscreen issue is mainly reflections from the HUD and speakers, very noticeable in facing sunlight.
I'd guess there is a dearth of two door coupes is because it's not possible with current battery technology to make one that's small, has decent dynamics, is light and has decent range.
I would love to get me a Taycan GTS but I would love for Porsche to be frontal about new tech battery replacement program. New battery tech will be surfacing faster than ever and having a lower weight, higher range battery in the future would be a big deal since we’re talking about cars and not mobile phones. I like to hold into my cars as long as I can and having a Porsche that becomes obsolete is something that is, for me, unthinkable. They should be open to what they can and cannot do with the car.
Yeah, a good point and something we're all excited to see... What's coming next with battery tech! I don't think any Porsche will ever be obsolete though!
It will not be obsolete. Let's say range doubles... So what? You still have a car that charges to 80% in 30 mins, can get around 300 miles when driven conservatively, goes 0-60 in 3 seconds, and hugs corners like a dream. Not to mention extra range won't impact normal driving. My car's range can double and it would change nothing for me, I just plug in when I hit the 30% range and charge overnight and in the morning I'm good to go. It would mean I would charge with half the frequency but who cares, it takes 5 seconds for me to plug in. Even for long trips, battery tech is not as important as the infrastructure. Once fast charging stations start popping up with frequency similar to gas stations, range will become a worry of the past.
I have my eqe and i love the drive and interior comfort. However, the exterior design is not attractive IMO. i love the taycan exterior design because it looks aggressive and slick. However, the range is horrible, and the interior looks plain compared to the eqe. If i have a choice, i'd get both.
Regarding battery longevity, keep in mind that comparison with battery life in a cell phone is not realistic. Modern EV batteries have sophisticated temperature controls for all conditions, using special circulation of liquid coolants, unlike phone or tablet batteries that at best rely on less effective air cooling. so modern high quality EV batteries can last many many years when charged efficiently. Likely exceeding the effective life of the rest of the vehicle.
Yeah, I'll pick this topic up in a future video!
Since filming, my actual full range has settled at about 375 miles, which, my Mercedes advisor tells me is down to my "driving profile and driving style"! What I think he was saying is if you enjoy driving the car, it will be reflected in the real life range figures. However, it is still a big jump from most EVs and removes one of the big concerns for new buyers of battery driven cars. Irrespective of the performance, what we didn't say, but perhaps should have, is that the Taycan has an incredible visual appeal and presence, it is a very cool car.
Yeah - I'd ask for a partial refund if you're getting that kind of range. 😆 In all serious still very impressive and it needs to be as it's the kind of car which is likely to do the longer journeys.
I have a base model 450+ (the AMG Line one) so it is missing a few key things you have such as the extra driving aids, double glazing and cooled seats. I also have the basic screen - not the Hyperscreen.
It looks like you have the Burmester sound upgrade - and this is an absolute MUST have. The basic 'stereo' that I have is woefully poor! I'd have to go back at least 25 years to name a car with this level of audio 'quality'. Extremely poor to the point that I just don't use it and enjoy the (not as silent as yours) silence. How anyone at Mercedes thought this was decent enough to fit to a car, let alone an EQS, is a mystery.
Without double glazing I actually think it is a noisy car. You really can hear outside traffic whooshing by.
Other niggles I have - and not sure if you get the same on your model - Firstly, it never remembers your last drive mode and sets it automatically. It asks you if you want to use your last drive mode - which is a pain because, on startup it seems to set itself randomly to either Comfort or Sport. I live in London and there is really no point in moving out of Eco unless I get out of London and onto a motorway. Secondly, the regen setting is never remembered. You always need to pull the paddle to set Strong regen as it always starts and defaults to Normal. Thirdly, reflection of the dash on the windscreen really is terrible. I've never known anything as bad. You even get the reflections of the red stitching from the side panels in the side windows. Finally, the A pillars and B pillars are incredibly wide/thick. It is a little tricky pulling out of junctions with such thick pillars.
Regardless of the niggles it is, for the most part, a nice car to drive. Very comfortable and I like the torque. The Mercedes app tells me that, with my driving style and a 100% battery, my range is 540 miles (or 432 miles if the battery is only charged to 80%)! That's using the A/C and with 2/3 people in the car. I'd say that is amazingly good. It'll go down considerably on a long motorway run but still... it's impressive.
@@jp6975 I have done my long trip now and can say a few things about the EQS and, I suspect, EVs in general:
1, They do not like high speed motorway drives as they are heavy. I managed to get my estimated range down to 307, but that changed the minute I started the stop/start of normal driving. This is the complete inverse of my old Audi, which gave me fantastic mileage on the motorway, but only 23 mpg in town.
2. It is dangerously quiet at all speeds, several times I was shocked at the speed I was doing, but also as I drove back in a storm, so comfortable, so planted and solid. I did the drive the whole way back from middle Jockland and felt good at the end, elapsed time of about 9 hours including charging. This is an autobahn cruiser of brilliant quality
3. The charging network is really hit or miss, several turkeys and a bit shout out for the Ionity at Stafford, charged to 95% in 40 minutes, brilliant
4. Disappointing radio reception, DAB radio and Absolute dropped in and out, but mainly out. Also Apple Play dominates the screen and often failed to connect to the car
5. In a storm, where you have so much on, wipers, lights, etc., battery use is massive and a 200+ charge lasted less than 140 miles.
6. Love the overall quality and "drive", easily the best car to drive long distance, although in the storm weather, it needed another charge to get home
@@blooders4224 Good update and info on your trip. I'm hoping to get quite a bit more than 307 miles on my trip. Your model is laden with more gadgets and tech than mine and the quoted range is around 50 miles less than my base model. However, they might be the same on motorways and I might only get a better range on town driving. Time will tell.
@@blooders4224 Less of the Jockland mate,we will have a toll at the border soon,best Golf courses in the World,we will charge Morris Dancers like you double to play them👍
They don't make the 80% of the battery 100% because it's ok to charge NMC batteries to 100% as long as you use it the next day. It only degrades the battery significantly if it STAYS above 80% for a long period of time. Therefore, for daily driving, charge to 60%-80%, and for road trips, charge to 100% for the first leg, and 80% for subsequent legs (due to charging speed slowing down significantly after 80%)
Yes, and if you're leaving your car for a long period about 50% is best.
Perfect video, these were the two I considered, thanks for making this
Glad you liked it!
This was a very interesting comparison and one that is quite pertinent to me. I’m in the UK and during the last year I have owned both an Audi R/S etron GT ( built on the same platform as the Taycan and roughly equivalent to the Taycan Turbo) and an EQS 450+. Here are my observations:
My first EV was the Audi (ignoring a short term lease of a Jaguar I-Pace which I didn’t like at all). I owned the Audi for about 5 months. It was an excellent car, great build quality and very powerful. My big problem with it was that, even with the glass roof, I found it very claustrophobic and my rear seat passengers moaned constantly about being cramped! It was also, for a larger chap, (i’m 6’ 3”) very difficult to get in and out of - maybe due to the positioning of the B pillar which in my driving position was further forward then my seating position.
The acceleration was phenomenal, but after doing the launch party-piece a few times became rather redundant on British roads.
Because of these issues I sold it and bought the EQS and have not regretted that for a moment. I have owned ICE S-Classes in the past and although I don’t think that the EQS is quite as luxurious, it is nearly on a par. I don’t miss having less power than the Audi, 0 to 60mph in less then 6 seconds is perfectly adequate and coupled with the instant torque of an EV I have never felt underpowered. Inside the cabin is a class apart from the Audi. The EQS has an extremely spacious airy interior - no more complaints from my passengers and much easier to get in and out of. Admittedly, the EQS might not be as pretty to look at as the Taycan or the R/S Etron GT but in the flesh it’s still quite handsome. My argument is that I’m the one inside the car taking advantage of the comfort and technology. I’m not too worried about what other people are seeing from the outside. The only thing that I would have changed about Keith’s car is the interior colour. I prefer something lighter and have gone with the beige leather which is almost certainly less practical but looks stunning. It all boils down to personal preference. Finally I have a question for Keith.
The EQS has a setting that allows a view of traffic lights to pop up on the screen when you are at the head of the queueing traffic at a red light. This makes it easier to see when the lights change rather than craning your head to get a view through the windscreen. I found this very useful but unfortunately since Mercedes updated my software this facility is no longer working. Does it work in your car, Keith?
Thanks Paul, this was a very interesting read and I have to agree with everything you've said there. Particularly the point about getting in and out of the e-tron GT / Taycan. It's not easy. I'm 6'6" and the B pillars really do get in the way. I really don't see why it needs to be a 4 door - especially given the lack of room in the rear. Should've just made it a 2 door with lift up seats!
It certainly does and it has been updated lately. I agree it is a useful feature, especially when facing the sun. My only criticism of the car so far, is it seems to have a lot of reflections on the windscreen, especially on bright sunny days. Has anyone noticed the same?
@@blooders4224 I haven’t really noticed excessive reflections on the windscreen. You must be in a sunnier part of the UK! We don’t get much sun in South Yorkshire.
I have the exclusive luxury model but without the hyperscreen which wasn’t available when I bought my car. Do you find reflections from the hyperscreen irritating?
@@PaulClh No, the Hyperscreen is brilliant, except it shows fingerprints in certain light. The windscreen issue is mainly reflections from the HUD and speakers, very noticeable in facing sunlight.
I'd guess there is a dearth of two door coupes is because it's not possible with current battery technology to make one that's small, has decent dynamics, is light and has decent range.
Yeah - I'm sure we'll get there - they are definitely working on them!
There are quite a few hypercar coupes. But "batteries" and "light" are definitely mutually exclusive.
I would love to get me a Taycan GTS but I would love for Porsche to be frontal about new tech battery replacement program.
New battery tech will be surfacing faster than ever and having a lower weight, higher range battery in the future would be a big deal since we’re talking about cars and not mobile phones. I like to hold into my cars as long as I can and having a Porsche that becomes obsolete is something that is, for me, unthinkable. They should be open to what they can and cannot do with the car.
Yeah, a good point and something we're all excited to see... What's coming next with battery tech! I don't think any Porsche will ever be obsolete though!
It will not be obsolete. Let's say range doubles... So what? You still have a car that charges to 80% in 30 mins, can get around 300 miles when driven conservatively, goes 0-60 in 3 seconds, and hugs corners like a dream. Not to mention extra range won't impact normal driving. My car's range can double and it would change nothing for me, I just plug in when I hit the 30% range and charge overnight and in the morning I'm good to go. It would mean I would charge with half the frequency but who cares, it takes 5 seconds for me to plug in. Even for long trips, battery tech is not as important as the infrastructure. Once fast charging stations start popping up with frequency similar to gas stations, range will become a worry of the past.
I have my eqe and i love the drive and interior comfort. However, the exterior design is not attractive IMO. i love the taycan exterior design because it looks aggressive and slick. However, the range is horrible, and the interior looks plain compared to the eqe. If i have a choice, i'd get both.
Ideally I'd have both
lmao u 2 talking about EVs holding value :D
I can assure you, they held their value. For 48 seconds. 😆
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