Tolerances are so tight that hot oil has to be pumped around the engine to "loosen things up a bit". that's how it works today. Not sure about but era but i'd imagine so.
CyclingDane Cheers on that, man :) Can't wait for tomorrow to help my friend in his forrest gathering logs for the winter. We work, sometimes you have to be a bit serious, but he's a hella fun guy to be with. I'm always happy when he asks me for help.
This is one of my dreams - working in some garage someplace, old Formula 1 car sitting there, I get to fire it up. If we get to pick what heaven looks like when we go, I'm gonna make sure it features a place like this!
What is more impressive is the old man walking around just calm and cool while everyone else is a little bit jittery...its almost as if the old man has been doing this his whole life:)
but real close to period correct. just look at the sport back in the 70's much less a lot longer ago. it kinda fits. ;-> think mr chapman in a shed.....
I hoped they warm the oil and fluids in the engines before starting. F1 engines needs warm oil to circulate the engine block to warm it up before starting. The piston and cylinder block were made with tight tolerances, they are practically seized up when its cold.
The_Red Bullet Well, their F1 car, their shed. They can play with it as they like I'd say. When it's broken, they can take out the two Porsches for a spin, that sit there, and call it a day.
Boa noite meu Amigo !!!! Acho que já assisti esse vídeo umas mil vezes. Nunca me canso...... Absolutamente fantástico. Muito obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal. Abraço do Brasil........
I hope they are prepared for the never ending constant engine rebuilds between races! Back in the 90s F1 teams had full engine manufacturer backing and often turned up at race meetings with several engines. good luck walking into a Yamaha parts supplier and asking for a set of rods and pistons for a V10 F1 engine!
Thought f1 engines, even ones from 12 years had to be heated to operational temperature before starting because the component tolerances are too tight when cold.
i believe that the f1 teams warmed the engine prior to running them to get the engine components to their running temp sizes. you know, heat expands/cold contracts. this way you don't have the cold (smaller) parts banging around while the engine is warming up.
Chris Andersen Correct. Engine + all the fluids (viscosity) are "pre warmed". The tolerances of the engineparts are designed to only function when the engine is at operating temperature. What these guys do is use ether to FORCE a combustion, no matter what the result will be. And well... the result of this: pistons etcetra are WAY to tight for the bores when cold, so they "eat" themselves a way where there isn't any when running, thus fucking up the engineblock.
+GTI1dasOriginal Not correct, it's the other way around, the bores never get that hot(water jacket), but the pistons do(top), they'll be slapping a little in the bores until fully warmed up. Oil temp(viscosity) will be more important, you need flow to lubricate, when cold there's less flow due to the greater viscosity.
MarcoV6T well, with all due respect, but you may explain that to the person I got that knowledge from, a high level engineer / professor at the IVA institute (netherlands) who specializes in high performance and F1 engines. He showed me blueprints of (former) F1 cars which showed that the distance inbetween bores and pistons (engine cold) where near the unmeasurable, (running towards zero) At operating temps it showed the distance was big enough to move freely and the oil needed to be prewarmed to get the viscosity needed for those tolerances. If I'm wrong, then that professor is wrong...
To all of commenting this video: of course we preheated the water and oil during a couple of hours before we started the engine. The total preparation work before starting the F1 car took 2 days. I have been running it on different racetracks and it goes like a dream👍 And dont worry, I am still alive, very fit and enjoying life and my old Porsches 😊
Onko ap:llä mitään käryä kuinka monta miljoonaa tollanen vehe maksaa? En starttais yli 100k€ vanhaa avoautoakaan koskaan kylmällä pihalla jos voisin autotallissa.
Um...no. Any car nut worth sludgy oil is smart enough to wear plugs and vent the room. What they did...cool, got a beautiful old racer to crank up. I'd have taken it for a spin (rural here, we drive all sorts of dangerous things on the roads). Not cool....no plugs or vents.
In other news, 5 people die of asphyxiation while starting a car. Police are trying to determine if it was a mass suicide.
🤣
That’s good stuff
At least they died happy with their dream come true :)
lololololololololol
very funny hahaha
Looks like a healthy environment to work in
I was expecting them all to pass out
The joys of old school f1
No ear muffs or ventilation. Nice
Indeed
I disagree, that doesn't look to healthy at all.
The air ventilation system in that workshop is flawless
Imagine comparing what comes out of regular road cars....... to this
more like flowless
@@dziedziol6212 LOL
Relax, they left the door open.
It is flower power....
Cold starting an F1 engine will surely wreck it. I hope they knew what they were doing, but judging by the closed room, it think they didn't
Tolerances are so tight that hot oil has to be pumped around the engine to "loosen things up a bit".
that's how it works today. Not sure about but era but i'd imagine so.
yes we all watch TopGear dont act like your some sort of expert.
This made me laugh. Thankyou.
not sure if they still pump hot oil round in todays v6 engines that they use but I know they did do it over the v12,v10 & I'm sure the v8 engines
@@DildorTheDecent Yes, if the engine is totally new and unused. Such a old engine is pretty much wasted and not so tight at all.
I love the smell of carbon monoxide in the morning
not for long usually
carbon monoxide is odorless xD
true
Carbon hydrates, I would say. All the unburned Fuel 😉
Marcus Andersson hell yeah unburn fuel always reminds me of fast cars
Safety is number one priority
not with these dudes its not
Safety third.
After 12 years of sleeping the first thing he does is hotbox the room. Legend
They are trying to recreate that scene in House of Cards where Frank leaves Peter Russo in a garage with the car on.
This is Damon Hill's 1997 Arrows A18 powered by 3.0 V10 Yamaha Engine
Second place in grande Prix Hungary in 1997.
@@sergiohenrique3000 so close to being a race winner... was heart breaking when it lost power
@@David-xt5ob Yes, It would be a Época achievement for Arrows and deserved. I believe It was one the biggest regrest in F1.
Did it ever win a race?
@@sergiohenrique3000 Villeneuve won.....This race was 1 lap to long for Damon! What a shame....could have been the only Arrows win!
7days later their lifeless body was found next to the car. Detectives are still looking for the cause of this sudden deaths.
Dying when you doing what you love the most is not tot bad
Like dying when you tried to take a selfie at 100mph and hit a pothole, that shit funny
@@Deathblow85 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Still kicking a**
They all died in that chamber...
its a good thing you guys did this in a small mostly enclosed space!!
The video ends oddly, I suppose somebody fond this video on on the camera card after their bodies been fond lifeless in the garage lol
raph salh oh my God... that is hilarious!!! Lmfao
RIP old man
Hahahahaha best comment ever
when VW join the F1
So that they can cheat the fuel consumption? No thank you.
+Dino Prašo no, mitsubishi do that. vw cheat about the emission number not fuel consumtion
Jeremy Dwi Emissions for TDI engines, fuel consumption for TSI engines.
never. they owe billions of dollars to the consumers they have been duping and ripping off for the past decade.
Consumers got a better car.
You think a old F1 team could afford a fume extractor. Great to see a real car again, not that bullshit V6 hybrid garbage they run today.
They could've at least put a tube to the outside for the exhaust...
They re all stromtrooper
looks like a healthy work environment
They all have permanent lung damage
You can tell how old school these people are, could imagine them saying " We survived 60 year on exhaust fumes, we still can now" hahahah
haha, without it the withdrawel symptoms are too severe.
12 yıl sonra çalıştı eyvallah da 5 kişi karbonmonoksitten zehirlendi onu nası yapacaz
Absolut Profis! No Earplugs, no hand on throttle, and not able to open a door, bravo! Tom
So, I assume everyone's dead now.
They have permanent lung damage
Ventilation anyone? earplugs perhaps?
What are earplugs and what is ventilation?
marchlander1 Earplugs = uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Earplugs
Ventilation - The act of vetings ones anus from foul gasses..true story.
CyclingDane Lol! Those are nice descriptions.
marchlander1 haha thanks, fun makes the world go around ;)
CyclingDane Cheers on that, man :) Can't wait for tomorrow to help my friend in his forrest gathering logs for the winter. We work, sometimes you have to be a bit serious, but he's a hella fun guy to be with. I'm always happy when he asks me for help.
Great work guys she sound sweet. These are the types of videos that makes this site worth coming too. Beautiful engineering coming to life again.
"Old school" car enthusiasts. A dying breed.
Some say prius owners died that day XD
This is one of my dreams - working in some garage someplace, old Formula 1 car sitting there, I get to fire it up.
If we get to pick what heaven looks like when we go, I'm gonna make sure it features a place like this!
Count me in.
Maybe a heaven with a bit more ventilation. lol.
Formula 1 car, or a trophy truck!
Just keep the garage door open when you start the engine
a race car, a bar , some women ? the holy 3 ?
What is more impressive is the old man walking around just calm and cool while everyone else is a little bit jittery...its almost as if the old man has been doing this his whole life:)
No earmuffs, no ventilation, shitloads of crap to trip over.
True professionals
Guy at 0:57
"Is that exhaust I'm smelling.."
*waves hand*
Yup, exhaust!
They all died of smoke poisoning? 😉
by extensive inhale- and exhaling maby it's possible substitude other drugs.
Marius Ipad r.i.p english
Marius Ipad 'their'
Marius Ipad doesn't look like autocorrect to me ;)
the so called joke was worse
Marius Ipad Germans are not supposed to be funny. They're efficient, but not funny.
They are going to die in the exhaust pipe fume. Not very professional. Anyway, interesting video.
unpopular opinion:
the place looks like a healthy work environment
Strangely unprofessional...
One dude is holding a finger in his ear, I mean ...
Well, the older ones are already numb propably.
It's just a few old boys in a garage, not a professional racing team. They remember what a real F1 car sounded like.
but real close to period correct. just look at the sport back in the 70's much less a lot longer ago. it kinda fits. ;-> think mr chapman in a shed.....
This is professional, its not the Pussy white glove treatment f1 cars and drivers get today.
Glad I'm not a former Arrows engineer. I'd be even more horrified.
Traviltar a
He was using starting fluid like it was spray paint
They were breathing Carbon Monoxide like it was oxygen
Beautiful car. One of the best of 90’s
god.. that v10 idle is just amazing!
How extreme this machines are unbeliavable,old school rules!
Anybody recognize the Porsches covered up in the back?
Timothy Bolden (993) 911?
Cássio Amaral definitely a 930 turbo or 993 brother
I think it looks quite similar to the 911 993 Carrera RS, because of the shape of the fixed rear wing. I mean the Porsche closest from the camera.
yeah looks like a gt3 atthe front
ripcurl010 if he can buy a f1 ... a gt3 maybe it's for go to the supermarket.
These gents are pure nuckleheads!!! Love this👍🏻👍🏻
"somebody open a farking window and get me some ear plugs"
clmco best comment, mst wall warded
VW in F1 now then?
Haha I got it ;)
Such a nice livery! I miss Arrows/Minardi and Jordan...
I love how he applies 3 in 1 to the valves...
I hoped they warm the oil and fluids in the engines before starting. F1 engines needs warm oil to circulate the engine block to warm it up before starting. The piston and cylinder block were made with tight tolerances, they are practically seized up when its cold.
No they didnt, they started a legendary multi-million F1 car without thinking how to do it right...
Wortius Wouldn't surprise me since it's done in a shed
The_Red Bullet Well, their F1 car, their shed. They can play with it as they like I'd say. When it's broken, they can take out the two Porsches for a spin, that sit there, and call it a day.
They did. You can see them disconnect the hoses from the preheaters.
all done with no fume extraction. safety first.....
Boa noite meu Amigo !!!!
Acho que já assisti esse vídeo umas mil vezes.
Nunca me canso......
Absolutamente fantástico.
Muito obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal.
Abraço do Brasil........
What a incredible creatures waking up 🥺🥰
Snoop Dogg was there
just like my miata on them cold start ups
Looks like it runs better now then it did when it was racing
THAT is a proper noise.
Thank you for posting.
first thing i noticed were the two porsches in the back
Couldn't do that outside?
Starting up a F1 car after 12 years but ageing your lungs 12 years in 5 minutes for the pleasure !!!
This is Authentic Motorsport. Who needs fresh air in a locked garage.
We are tough. 🏁🏆🏁 😂
Damon Hill drove this car, I believe.
No, thats Diniz´s car. Damons in the Yamaha museum!
@@wolfgangmarkusgstrein8522 0:24 D. HILL written on the seat, they didn't build only 2 cars for a season lol
Wolfgang Markus Gstrein Arrows was fucking bad... but not that bad enough to build one and only car hahah
Well that's a good way to fuck up the lungs !
They'll be just tired a little bit. And get some rest in that garage...
+marchlander1 HAHA
I hope they are prepared for the never ending constant engine rebuilds between races! Back in the 90s F1 teams had full engine manufacturer backing and often turned up at race meetings with several engines. good luck walking into a Yamaha parts supplier and asking for a set of rods and pistons for a V10 F1 engine!
1997 Tom Walinshaws Arrows F1 car, powered by the underrated Yamaha OX11 V10 and driven by the then drivers world champion Damon Hill.
Thought f1 engines, even ones from 12 years had to be heated to operational temperature before starting because the component tolerances are too tight when cold.
exactly. that's why it smokes like hell. it's initially burning itself up, therefore it can idle. they just ruined the engine when starting cold. LOL
i believe that the f1 teams warmed the engine prior to running them to get the engine components to their running temp sizes. you know, heat expands/cold contracts. this way you don't have the cold (smaller) parts banging around while the engine is warming up.
Chris Andersen Correct. Engine + all the fluids (viscosity) are "pre warmed". The tolerances of the engineparts are designed to only function when the engine is at operating temperature. What these guys do is use ether to FORCE a combustion, no matter what the result will be. And well... the result of this: pistons etcetra are WAY to tight for the bores when cold, so they "eat" themselves a way where there isn't any when running, thus fucking up the engineblock.
+GTI1dasOriginal Not correct, it's the other way around, the bores never get that hot(water jacket), but the pistons do(top), they'll be slapping a little in the bores until fully warmed up. Oil temp(viscosity) will be more important, you need flow to lubricate, when cold there's less flow due to the greater viscosity.
MarcoV6T well, with all due respect, but you may explain that to the person I got that knowledge from, a high level engineer / professor at the IVA institute (netherlands) who specializes in high performance and F1 engines. He showed me blueprints of (former) F1 cars which showed that the distance inbetween bores and pistons (engine cold) where near the unmeasurable, (running towards zero) At operating temps it showed the distance was big enough to move freely and the oil needed to be prewarmed to get the viscosity needed for those tolerances. If I'm wrong, then that professor is wrong...
Carboxyhemoglobin, ladies and gentlemen.
Carboxyhemoglobin
you're right, I corrected the typo.
Sounds good, bet it smelled good too.
This flares my asthma just watching this.
Open the bloody windows
To all of commenting this video: of course we preheated the water and oil during a couple of hours before we started the engine. The total preparation work before starting the F1 car took 2 days. I have been running it on different racetracks and it goes like a dream👍
And dont worry, I am still alive, very fit and enjoying life and my old Porsches 😊
You immediately see who has a real heart for racing ! the one who keep by the car do .
starts up like my kubota in the dead of winter
Ei sitten ulkona voinut käynnistää, niin ei olisi ollut koko mökki käryä täynnä?
No mitä tuo pikku savu haittaa ?
Onko ap:llä mitään käryä kuinka monta miljoonaa tollanen vehe maksaa? En starttais yli 100k€ vanhaa avoautoakaan koskaan kylmällä pihalla jos voisin autotallissa.
TeeDee87 Ennemmin vaikka keuhkosyöpä
the panel on the left says dank
So cool to see those elderly mens working at!!!
She's alive. She's fu****g alive!
In unrelated news, four Caucasian males were found unconscious and unresponsive in a garage north of south. Authorities have ruled out homicide.
lol
and then they all took a nap
You know it's old when the computer it's hooked up to to start still needs a CRT monitor.
You know it's a legit shop when they haven't upgraded their computers for at least 10 years
rumors has it they all died at the end of the video
now thats just awesome
I was holding my breath while watching.
Legends for doing it inside
what about carbon monoxide poisoning? garage looks to be small and sealed?
Pussies, pussies everywhere
***** and not a single one to spare :(
carfreaks1024 You can see there's a doorway leading outside where 3 people are standing
carfreaks1024 Don't forget lovely oxides of nitrogen and PMs
Stop yelling about ventilation, ear plugs, noise and so on. They are car enthusiast. You will not understand them...
Um...no. Any car nut worth sludgy oil is smart enough to wear plugs and vent the room. What they did...cool, got a beautiful old racer to crank up. I'd have taken it for a spin (rural here, we drive all sorts of dangerous things on the roads). Not cool....no plugs or vents.
Hähhäh, but youre the specialist or not?? Tom
So here I am at the end of 2021. Watching 7yo video of a formula first start after 12yrs.
Gee...good thing they plugged their ears. That smoke was deafening!
Na jó, jó, de HOVA TŰNT DAMON HILL ? :)
Are they still alive???
I see it runs exactly the same as it did when it raced!
Easy on the easy start, real professional
I hope that place has adequate ventilation. That looks really dangerous.
I think the fact that you can barely see anything towards the end of the video answers your question about whether it has adequate ventilation or not.
if they had an smoke alarm:D
Wouldn't be able to hear it!
***** yes :D
I see it runs a well as it did back in the day ;-)
Damon Hill's 1997 Arrows. pretty cool to see this footage
Muito bom! Faltou uma aceleradinha, e ventilação pra não morrer aí dentro... 😅
Non of them thought it might be a good idea to open the doors and let the smoke out??
I was waiting to the comment “you reckon we should open a window”
I just love that starting the car involves a massive fucking drill and a can of carb cleaner.
464 Prius driver didnt like this video.
eh ear plugs and ventilation are overrated
Different species, exhaling different fumes... A cohabitation that is detrimental to only one of them, and it's not the wheeled one....
12 years to start, 12 minutes to die of asphyxiation.