Hey I would like to see the same with this but with monza how fast they were on straights compared to raikönen in 2018 because hanilton dis pass him and in 2019 only had obe or two chances for getting the lead would be a nice video. And great work on this one too
you are very incompetent or paid by someone. Noone told ferrari had a cheated engine. Fia didn't, noone ever saw something "cheating" in the engine. Ferrari was desrupted at the peak of its innovation and now we had 5 years of nothing. this is mafia. This is what really f1 is: unconsistent sport with no will to let other teams develop at their best, if you are not mercedes or now redbull.
Funny. Ferrari never got a conviction for anything. Yet, they always seem to be remembered for cheating with the engine. When it's Mercedes and Red Bull cheating, whether it's through DAS, flexible rear wings or surpassing the budget cap everyone forgets.
I remember after the 2017 spa race happened, Hamilton revealed that he used a small trick on Vettel. Hamilton did not use his max power PU mode initially on the straight, that is until Vettel pulled out of his slipstream that he started using it. This is because he want Vettel to catch up to him sooner. Because the sooner you catch up to the driver in front with slipstream, the smaller the speed difference there will be and hence harder to overtake. But that Mercedes W08 is a rocket anyway so he had confidence to play this out.
Not entirely true, although I'm unaware of the Hamilton strategy. Ferrari / Vettel ran into deployment issues. Hamilton tried to keep Vettel right under his rear wing to not massively tow him up. The Merc kept deploying, the Ferrari stopped deploying at the end of the straight. They fixed that for 2018.
@@amirbarzegar5059 Yeah, and that's why Vettel lifted up then in 2018 a 19, to pretend this trick from happen, but still the engine had bigger part of those succesful overtakes
I was gonna comment this here. In 2017 and 2018 Hamilton did lift a little going into eau Rouge, in 2017 Vettel got too close on Raidillon and could not get all the benefits of the slipstream. In 2018 Vettel was already aware of this tactics and lifted on Eau Rouge to get a better slipstream from Hamilton
I remember in 2014 when Vettel tried to pass Hamilton on the Kemmel Straight, he nearly drained his entire ERS only to barely get alongside whilst Hamilton only used a drop of ERS. 2019 Ferrari engine is ridiculous powerful relative to others, but 2014 Mercedes engine is in a different category altogether. It’s especially scary when you realize Mercedes were running high downforce setup whilst RB were running the Monza setup.
Look for Rosberg overtaking Vettel at China that year. He enters the back straight sooo far behind but by the end was able to overtake him. On similar power he would need at least a couple of laps to get closer.
I remember watching the 2017 season in vivid detail. When I saw Seb pull out of Lewis' slipstream and try to pull alongside him, only to then just start dropping back like a rock, I knew that Seb's title chances were all but shot. The PU gap was simply too large and the SF-70H, despite being great in slower-speed corners, was far too underpowered to mount a challenge vs the Mercs. 2019 on the other hand...the SF-90H was an absolute rocket.
but donkey in other areas max literally beat in underpowered Rb and u can see in austria n silverstone also tht straight line advantage helped charles alot tht's the reason why Rb choose low downforce philsophy
@@theicekiller7574 buy it was moreover 2nd best car and also there were 2 charles and seb and in rb only max was driving other was adapting yes it was strong for 3 races but they also miss many opportunities to win
@MrSheev That wasn't entirely correct. The mercedes had less downforce and drag than the ferrari of 2017. Also mercedes setup their ers begin clipping (reduction in deployment) much later than the ferrari.
According to some articles that I found, Mercedes was running around 950 PS in 2017 while Ferrari had 935. In 2018 (according to my sources), they were both leveled at 980-990 PS (Ferrari`s aero could have made the difference on the straights), while in 2019 Ferrari clearly outmuscled Mercedes with 1010-1030 PS against 995-1000, which later proved to be the infamous fuelgate. BTW, is it me or does the Ferrari just keeps levelled with the Mercedes once it gets out of the tow in the first clip of 2017 (it is clearly beaten on the second)???
In 2017 there was a speed trap at the Restart with Seb on Ultrasofts and Lewis on Softs: Seb reached 320 km/h with slipstream, Lewis 323 km/h without Both were running maximum power I reckon That would also be a prime example why Merc had the fastest car, especially on Saturdays. The reason would be their advantage of being able to develop a more reliable engine to run full power when needed to.They had 15 poles (11 for Lewis, 4 for Valtteri) while Ferrari only had 5 poles (4 for Seb, 1 for Kimi)
@@thatracingguy5694 The same applies to other races in that season: 1. Spain Seb's team radios after Lewis overtook him: no Chance. Like a train. And he was Held up numerous laps by Bottas who was yet to pit 2. Russia: Bottas wins the start, Seb couldnt catch up cuz he lost about 2 tenths in the 1st Sektor each lap 3. Austria Same reason as in Russia tbh, just lack of straight line speed
Very cool to see these comparisons of the same track from multiple years. I'm not much into F1 so having this side by side stuff to actually see and experience the difference quite easily makes it more understandable for me
That did not make a decisive difference. As you saw on lap 1 where he was able to spend more time in the slipstream before pulling out, it really did not matter how close he was at the beginning of the kemmel straight - once he has to pull out of the tow, Hamilton would always begin to pull away again.
So many people claimed this but I haven't seen the telemetry about it. Lifting in Kemmel straight is very risky. Can you back your point with data? Because in 2018 Vettel came out of Hamilton's slipstream sooner than 2017.
This makes absolutely no account for conflicting downforce strategies. The speed graph itself shows how much quicker the merc was in the corners in the later race which suggests they were running way more downforce than the ferrari
@Nikhil Bohra If you are talking about 2019, Mercedes produced a lot more downforce in general on their car, so im sure they had small wings aswell to hep with top speed.
@Nikhil Bohra i think he's referring to the 2018 graph where you can see that there's a massive speed difference in some parts, maybe due to different driving styles too but the difference is stupidly high
First sensible response here. What people don't understand is that one degree of wing back or front will make 20kph diff at over 300kph!. This not taking into account aero concepts on the floor or sidepods or intakes on each car. Let alone different power unit modes and when they are available to the driver. Yes definitely Ferrari gained more in 2018, mostly with their internal combustion engine running crazy compression in 2018 as well as improvements in ERS deployment, then there was the question of them allowing oil into the combustion chamber in 2019 which was subsequently banned in 2020.
05:51 Be sure to check out this part. It's kinda a definitive proof of Ferrari's straight-line advantage in Spa. 06:28 Vettel driving that 2019 Ferrari be like..
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 Not really tbh. Vettel was faster in races and qualifyings, in the latter by only 0,019% but still. In retrospect 2019 makes me think very highly of both the Ferrari drivers at that time. Leclerc for almost equalling a 4x wdc in his 2nd year of f1 and Vettel for being slightly faster despite already being on a decline and the car characteristics being like kryptonite for him. I think a lot of Vettels legacy rests on how well Leclerc will do in the future, he seems to be turning out to be a future multi-wdc but time will tell. Alonso was beat hard by Hamilton in 2007, but in retrospect with what Lewis later achieved Alonso didn't do too bad.
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 you're comment was about the 2019 car and as such in didn't talk about 2020, which is a totally different story ofc. But it's true, if you look at the actual qualifying gaps in the season and exclude Austria, France, Monaco and Germany the final tally is 0,019% in Vettels favour.
I'm not usually a fan of videos with the text being on screen, but this was put together really well... My big issue with these style of videos is trying to time the text correctly so people have enough time to actually read and comprehend it, without sitting there for an extra 30 seconds just waiting on the video to resume. It seems you've nailed this, at least for my moderate reading pace, and it's refreshing.
Interestingly Bottas got passed by both Ricciardo and Räikkönen at the restart in 2017, so it may not have been purely engine power that kept Hamilton in the lead, but also wing levels and ERS deployment.
that could've been down to how well Daniel and Kimi warmed up their tires and also Valtteri's nervousness in the battle when he had two cars on either side of him.
2018 showed the gap to Mercedes in qualify was much smaller. Ferrari also had a phenomenal hybrid system, which helped with power delivery among other things. I don't think there was much between the engines in race mode, a few ho don't make you gain 20kph from 300kph, aero does.
@@keevomora nothing was specifically regulating the fuel frequency. They found a way around the sensor? Absolutely. FIA realised there was an exploitable gap in the rules, they added a sensor. Today they would call it going against the spirit of the regulations. See flexi floor. When other features which were banned still received a pass I don't understand how people get so hung up on this.
Ferrari also had reliability problems, while LH's Merc didn't break even once in 2019 (and that describes Ferrari in general). Fast reliable car is better than a slightly faster unreliable car. Especially when in the 2nd part of the season Merc pumped up the muscles, so they had both, the fastest and the most reliable car. Nothing Vettel (or anyone else) could do against that Merc.
@@furtivedig There is a reason on why they put the fuel limit in the first place, anyone can keep pumping more fuel for more power, but the reason is to see who can make the most out of the specified amount, but going against this, they somewhat cheated, but it was an exploitable thing in the first place, so Ferrari indirectly did turn to make things more fair later down the road for everyone really, something most people fail to acknowledge or even think about in the first place.
@@zhongxina7834 if it something is unregulated is not illegal. This is the whole point. It may be pedantic, but it is important to use words correctly. Were the '22 flexi floors illegal by the same argument? The spirit/nature of the regulations/limits imposed is irrelevant. Making the most efficient engine is as important as making the most powerful engine. One wants both ideally. But we are digressing
Vettel also kept more space from Hamilton in 2018. You can hear him lifting before eau rouge to stay more far away and use Ham's slipstream for a longer time, carrying more momentum.
The engine was sus, but it makes no sense to ignore the fact the Merc was carrying a lot more downforce and likely was a lot less draggy. Drag matters immensely at those speeds.
Great video. I totally agree on lap 1 comparisons but on lap 32 is not so clear imo since we don't know the engine mode, fuel consumption, ers usage etc. Thanks for another Spa related content. Don't touch my Spa man :/
It's not only engine though. How your area works at speed plays a massive part in it, plus how you're geared for the circuit. [and in F1 today your gear ratios are set per season, so you might suffer at some tracks more than others]
Thank you for this! I enjoy F1 but an fairly new (this is my third season watching). I never knew what the fabled “Ferrari cheat” was all about - until now. Nice to have a summary with excellent example footage and charts. A+
Its amazing to see the development YoY. Both teams gained almost 10kph through aero efficiency from 18 to 19 and probably with better downforce for the second Sector.
While Mercedes are great as a team as always, 2017 was pretty fortuitous in two ways. The cars changed from narrow track to wider, which produced more downforce, and made a more powerful engine even more important. And IIRC, Mercedes were allowed to keep some oil burning in their engine at Spa and afterward, because they'd been developing it before the restrictions. Other teams missed out, and from Spa onwards, Mercedes had another locked in advantage the others couldn't touch.
Ferrari were burning oil as well. What made the Mercedes PU more powerful was its superior efficiency. They were already getting close to 50% thermal efficiency even by 2017 which is insane when you think about it; most road car petrol ICEs have around a 30% efficiency.
@@ryanjonathanmartin3933 There was definitely something at Spa onwards that year. Despite small protest Mercedes could keep it because it was already in development.
2:05 I think it was mostly due to hamilton who didnt given enough slipstream to vettel. With enough slipstream he would be alongside or maybe a bit ahead
Ferrari was cheating with their engine for 2 years. That's why. First with the batteries and then with the fuel flow. That's where all the power came from. They were caught and forced to take it off.
I doubt that'd make any difference. Vettel lap1 enjoyed the tow much longer, both on the race start ERS mode, yet he still couldn't get ahead once getting out of the slipstream.
I don't think that that's only engine power based, the setup took part, in that Hamilton's mercedes had more downforce therefore be slower when not in tow, but being able to catch Vettel in the more grip demanding S2.
@@shak9527It's Aero. Also I'd argue the issue is less that Redbull got much quicker and more that Ferrarri either remained as it was in 22 or got slower.
Tbf the 2019 ferrari had very little drag as well compared to the mercedes and ferrari made the 2020 car with lots of drag and downforce , cause they thought they would be at worst equal with merc on the straights . But because they lost their magic engine , they ended up 10 to 15 kph down on the straights compqred to others and with the car that fundementally was made for qualifying ( cause it was very similar to the 2019 car ) and that meant they had a shit race car and not only that , cause their developement was only gonna be focused on reducing the drag of the car , which meant they couldn't really improve the car, they had to just make it more possible to race. If they had their dream engine , they would'be been a match for merc in the corners and on the straights but maybe they could've had more acceleration , so they would've been equal with merc. In terms of developement , they would've focused on making the car better in all areas to improve the car in every term.
Yeah the 2020 Ferrari was only decent in slow corners early in the season giving how well they qualified in Hungary. Still LeClerc impressed to take a second place in Austria and third place in Britain.
@@Firemarioflower Leclerc is a monster at silverstone , imagine what a tough job ferrari had to try and make him not win the race with the fastest car this year , but they managed to succesfully make him finish p4 💪. He almost got pole in 2019 with the third best car.
I still find it somewhat insane that Ferrari's entire development plan coming into 2020 was 'they won't find out we created an illegal engine', were they just thinking the FIA would give them an okay because they were Ferrari, did they expect other teams to give up their own ability to get p2 in the constructors just so Ferrari could maybe threathen Mercedes for P1? It's just insane to think that they created the worse car they'd built in years not because of some regulations shakeup, but because they created their own regulations shakeup by making their car awful without an illegal engine.
Hamilton's 32nd lap overtake of Vettel was spectacular. He had to time his advance in the tow perfectly to get ahead just in time to prevent Vettel from creeping back with the tow on the straight and shut down the inside line right before the turn
I remember Monza 2019 when the Mercedes with newer and softer tyre plus slipstream plus DRS could not pass Leclerc on the straight. Absolutely insane and mind-boggling.
Yes but SF90 was a low drag car, Mercedes had much downforce but also much drag, and drs in Monza is less efficient because of high-speed aerodynamic setup.
Vettel himself also mentioned he changed the approach. In 2017 he followed too close. In 2018 he left more space before Eau Rouge so he could be earlier on the throttle and carrying more speed up the hill. Closing up right on top with already a huge speed difference. Hamilton probably tried the same he did in 2017 (save ERS for when he pulls out). You can even see him making up a lot of the deficit when he pulls out. But it isn't enough.
Non esattamente, il divario si è ampliato perché avevano un motore nuovo e utilizzarono una mappatura molto più aggressiva della concorrenza (ti ricordo che da Monza 2020 non si può cambiare la mappatura del motore in gara)
@@augenfest speed traps don't mean anything in the race because some drivers get double or triple slipstream + drs to boost their speed. Mercedes had the highest revving engine that race, which gave them power and traction
@@augenfest well you cant just look at top speed. The acceleration was unbeatable. But top speed relativ low because they could run with more downforce without any major loss of top speed
Bitter truth for Ferrari fans - it was in 2017 that Vettel was the closest to the championship title. Not in 2018, but in 2017. The title was lost for technical reasons in Silvierstone and Japan. In 2017, new tyres were introduced.Tire tests conducted by the Ferrari team, which is why the Ferrari got the lead at the start of the season, they had more information about the new tires. However, Ferrari’s pace was obviously lower than that of the Mercedes. Instead of betting on the reliability of the car (which Red Bull did in 2021), they actually lost a lot of potential points 2 times. Vettel was 46 points behind Hamilton in 2017 and 88 points behind in 2018. Ferrari potentially lost 50(!) points due to two technical retirements in 2017. The 2017 Ferrari was outperformed in terms of pure speed only at one circuit in Monza. However, on other tracks (especially low-speed ones), this car could, in theory, take the podium and win. Whereas in 2018, Ferrari simply lost to Mercedes in the second half of the season on all remaining tracks. If you don't understand what I mean, just look at the 2018 season, from Italy (stage 14) to Abu Dhabi (stage 21) - no victory for Sebastian. What kind of fight for the title are we talking about here? In short and summarizing: in 2017, if the reliability of the car was at a good level, Vettel could compete for the title in Abu Dhabi - and this is the maximum, if lucky, he could win the title. And in 2018, if Sebastian hadn’t made any mistakes at all, he would have lost the title back in Brazil, because 88 points it's a lot, this is a real disaster, no error-free driving would have helped here.
The 2018 car was better than the 2017 Ferrari. However, Both Ferrari strategists/mechanics and Vettel were better in 2017 than in 2018. The 2017 Ferrari was a clear 2nd best car, it was still worse than the Mercedes, especially in terms of engine power AND reliability. Vettel IMO in 2017 was his best year after 2013... He drove the nuts of that car and made spectacular overtakes and had amazing wheel to wheel actions. Not a single spin or crash. His only fault in 2017 was his moment in Baku which wasn't "driver error" but more "human error", but in the end, it was still the best scenario for him as without that incident and Hamilton's headrest problem, Hamilton would've won the race and gain 7 points on him. In 2018 the pressure of Ferrari's incompetent strategy and decisions (Kimi wasn't anywhere near the championship so he should've gotten the Bottas treatment in the right time) caugh up to Vettel. Suzuka 2018 was a prime example of a very uncharacteristic move by Vettel, never have I seen him try for a miracle overtake like that race, and while it could've worked, he has to remember that it was Max who he was up again, a driver that leaves no space to others, pretty much on the limit (fair but hard).
The 2018-2019 Ferrari also had an illegal PU tho. Though they never admit fault or were found guilty, they were awfully slow after RB asked for clarification
@@traxex117 They way the investigation concluded and the fact that Ferrari and the FIA came to an "agreement and settlement" was and still is extremily suspicious. It was almost certainly illegal, if Ferrari were playing by the rules then why make a deal with the FIA to keep the investigation's findings under wraps?
Allegedly, Ferrari were synchronizing the fuel pump to the FIA sensors such that they could pump more fuel when the sensor was not sampling. Not illegal, but the FIA closed that down. Was Mercedes oil burning illegal? No, but the FIA closed that down too. Steering wheels that move in and out to alter steering geometry. Flexible wings. F-duct. Mass damper. Inerter damper. Double diffuser. Fan car. Double chassis ground effects. 6 wheelers. This is racing. Find an advantage within the rules, maybe it gets banned, maybe not.
@@traxex117 it's as simple as this.. soon as the FIA had a investigation Ferrari was slow as shit.. but because they are 'ferrari' and they are paid to stay in the sport, the information never explicitly came out
@@keithallsop theres a difference between finding loopholes and dumping more fuel in the mixture when the sensors aren't "looking". Like in basketball when dribbling was invented it changed the game. This isn't one of those cases. They cheated while the refs weren't looking. at least that's how I see it. We all know ferrari has some privilege in F1. only team in f1 getting an allowance for simply being in.
@@traxex117 my brother, as soon as red bull asked for clarification they became slow because they had to change their set up so it became legal again. If it wasn't illegal before why would they suddenly become slower after?
6:11 There is a specific and strict fuel pump regulation that all engines have to respect. And to ensure this, the FIA had placed a pump scanner in each manufacturer's engine. What Ferrari did was smart and tricky: let's say the scanner scans once per second. Ferrari did know about the timing and increased the fuel pump in their engines while there was no scan. That's the reason behind the incredible straight-line speed. Red Bull did suspect this and talked to the FIA. Later, the FIA found out but didn't reveal it (you know that's a huge shame for the red team). Instead, they reduced the fuel pump (under the permitted regulations) in the Ferrari engines for 2020.
Technically this was a systematic loophole cheat, and you couldn't prove it because no data. But it was overall against the rules because it wasn't a loophole in the rules but the sensors themselves. I'd say it was incredibly smart even if unfair. It doesn't explain why the 2020 engine was THAT weak.
@@Benedek_Varga haha good one. They just put more fuel when fuel flow system was not measuring. Yeah nobody told Ferrari this is not legal and the had to specify the rules 😂
@@Benedek_Varga the rules clearly specified that no more than 100kg/hr could be burned AT ANY TIME, They were clearly cheating, and according to the gps data and the fuel numbers they were probably doing so as far back as 2015.
@@magicsenna tbh the fuel flow sensor wasn't detecting the extra fuel and the rulebook didn't mention anything about adding fuel while the sensor isn't looking so it isn't technically illegal. So more like neither legal nor illegal
@@magicsenna Yeah except the fact that when Mercedes used to do that the years before burning oil with a much bigger power advantage everyone was sleeping
This video just blew my mind. I somehow felt the feeling in my body of racing at this speed and that was the scariest thing I have ever experienced. These guys are going so fucking fast. Oh my god.
In 2018 he approaches Eau Rouge differently than the year before. He stays further back and comes off full throttle for a split second but comes back to full power before the climb giving him a MASSIVE slipstream effect. Yes the new engine helped a lot but this was a tactical adjustment that really gave him that upper hand
how many stories for three grands prix won ... when mercedes has cheated in the same way from 2014 until today (obviously political weight counts in these cases)
@@byanymeansnecessary9329If so that's fucking sad, because Mercedes was just as bullshit in 15 and 16 as they were in 14, so what the hell was Ferrari doing?
The Ferrari engine was not weak in 2017 and was very close to the performance of the Mercedes engine, but the Mercedes had less downforce than the Ferrari and therefore less dragging, while in 2018 and especially 2019 the Ferrari engine was rocket and much stronger than the Mercedes one in addition to the lower drag in the Ferrari car as a result of the lower downforce also
There was nothing suspicious about the sudden increase in Ferrari engine power, especially not since it happened mid-season: they clearly cheated, most likely found a way to bypass the FIA mandatory fuel regulator. This also explains why - after their secret deal with the FIA - their (same) engines suddenly were a lot weaker.
You could also say that it's the same thing for last year's Mercedes engine of the second half of the season especially in Interlagos there's basically no way how Mercedes got that huge power advantage in such a short amount of time while in the start of the season the Honda one was better. You can't tell me that an engine that makes a car 20 km/h faster on the main straight with no DRS is different from the SF90 engine.
Btw even without the fuel sensors they still had the most raw power. And Mercedes was doing the same thing the years before burning oil even with a bigger power advantage.
Cheated as Mercedes has done at that very moment in Spa when they homologated the 4th engine before the directive that stop burning "engine" oil more than 0.9 Liter/100 km went into effect, pretty much staying above the prescribed consumption for the rest of the 2017 season (1.2 Liter/100). Very fair
It is impossible to point out which engine is most powerfull since we dont have same chasis. There is difference in downforce and drag that each car has. As u said yourself, Vettel lost a lot of time in sector 2 which is highly downforce related which can tell that he was using a lot of less downforce which equalls to less drag and gives more speed on straights.
Also, with these hybrid engines - you can’t just compare power unit to power unit. Some have more power at the top of the Rev band. Some can deploy electric energy lap after lap, but others needs a lap to recharge. For example, the 2022 Ferrari has a much smaller turbo than 2021. They did this so it spins up very quickly. This means amazing power at low revs, which combined with a higher downforce gives amazing traction out of corners. But the smaller turbo means less peak power at the top of the Rev range, and so a lower top speed. The power units and the cars are designed in harmony.
You should have also included last year's Mercedes engine in the second half of the season especially with Hamilton destroying everybody else in the main Interlagos straight with something like a whopping 20 km/h advantage with no DRS
Crazy how even with a probably illegal engine Ferrari in 2019 was barely in front and only in tracks where straight line speed ruled, the superiority of Mercedes in recent years was insane.
Of course Mercedes got this advantage through their enormous engine advantage from 2014. This advantage was so gigantic in 2014 that they hardly had to use any resources to further develop the engine in the following years because the competing teams were so far behind. As a result they were able to invest significantly more in aerodynamic development than any other team. When something like this happens over many years, the result is a car as superior as the Mercedes. In the first hybrid years they didn't have the best car in terms of aerodynamics, mechanical grip etc..
No, it's the same engines they ran in 2021, which were just as fast as Honda's dominant engines at times. It's just that they had a shit aero design and instead of binning it went with it for it 2 years straight. Renault's PU is definitely the worse.
Mercedes had like 15 bhp advantage over Ferrari in 2017. In 2018 it was slightly more in favour of Ferrari (+-5-10 bhp). But in 2019, it was essentially Ferrari domination in terms of their engine, for an already known reason..
what about 2021 merc ? i'm still curious about it, can you imagine hamilton win in Brazil from the back of the grid and the craziest thing is he won in jeddah with Hard Tyres and a broken front wing , and he still got the fastest lap too (max is on medium) 😳 (imho, i still think that 2021 mercedes w12 is the fastest f1 car on straight, RB18, sf71h, sf90 are not even close) it's just my opinion btw*
Hamilton in Brazil was simply ridiculous. Wish engines were less expensive, that way teams could always run with brand new engines, because even with the penalties, it would still be worth it if they were THAT much faster.
2020 cars are faster overall. The Rb16, which lost the championship to both Mercedes, was faster over a lap than the Rb16b that won 2021. 2021 Merc was slower than Honda because their engines didn't last a long(Honda really pulled a masterstroke of engineering and created engines that lasted for their entire lifetime with nearly no loss in performance), but after using Valterri Bottas as a guinea pig(there's no number 1 driver at mercedes, though-Toto Wolff) they created a monster of an engine with low reliablity but incredible power, which would have won Lewis the championship if not for _the incident_
@@windrose5988 i know, i also watch 2020 season, but what i'm saying is that w12 was "fastest car on straight at that year (at specific track)" not overall fastest or 1 lap fastest like w11
Bottas keeps having trouble closing the door: ua-cam.com/video/F1qDWalnzBA/v-deo.html
Hey I would like to see the same with this but with monza how fast they were on straights compared to raikönen in 2018 because hanilton dis pass him and in 2019 only had obe or two chances for getting the lead would be a nice video.
And great work on this one too
What a load of crap this video is
you are very incompetent or paid by someone. Noone told ferrari had a cheated engine. Fia didn't, noone ever saw something "cheating" in the engine. Ferrari was desrupted at the peak of its innovation and now we had 5 years of nothing. this is mafia. This is what really f1 is: unconsistent sport with no will to let other teams develop at their best, if you are not mercedes or now redbull.
Funny. Ferrari never got a conviction for anything. Yet, they always seem to be remembered for cheating with the engine. When it's Mercedes and Red Bull cheating, whether it's through DAS, flexible rear wings or surpassing the budget cap everyone forgets.
Engine was totally legal. Fuel flow was the issue.
Crofty's iconic "AND HERE COMES SEBASTIAN VETTEL" is what gave Ferrari that extra tow
But*
Crofty secretly working for Ferrari?
no, Croft's voice is horrendous and have always been. his pitch is unbearable
@@maxthecooldude4873 Yep. Imagine if Crofty says BUT HERE COMES LANZHU ZHONG.
@@juandhaltrich he’s not murray, but he still knows how to commentate well
I remember after the 2017 spa race happened, Hamilton revealed that he used a small trick on Vettel.
Hamilton did not use his max power PU mode initially on the straight, that is until Vettel pulled out of his slipstream that he started using it.
This is because he want Vettel to catch up to him sooner. Because the sooner you catch up to the driver in front with slipstream, the smaller the speed difference there will be and hence harder to overtake.
But that Mercedes W08 is a rocket anyway so he had confidence to play this out.
Not entirely true, although I'm unaware of the Hamilton strategy. Ferrari / Vettel ran into deployment issues. Hamilton tried to keep Vettel right under his rear wing to not massively tow him up. The Merc kept deploying, the Ferrari stopped deploying at the end of the straight. They fixed that for 2018.
He even lifted a little bit before eau rouge I remember this one
@@amirbarzegar5059 Yeah, and that's why Vettel lifted up then in 2018 a 19, to pretend this trick from happen, but still the engine had bigger part of those succesful overtakes
Yes he used it, but it's only for the SC restart
I was gonna comment this here. In 2017 and 2018 Hamilton did lift a little going into eau Rouge, in 2017 Vettel got too close on Raidillon and could not get all the benefits of the slipstream. In 2018 Vettel was already aware of this tactics and lifted on Eau Rouge to get a better slipstream from Hamilton
Still remember Vettel in Monza 2019 going 365 kph, revving all the way to 13000 RPMs. The Ferrari wasn't just a rocket, it was a spaceship!
the best burning oil spaceship on the track
When you truck the rules you get speed
That's because it was illegal.
and when other teams are fast is cause they re genius. c'mon the rule of the sport is cheating with discretion
@@freddieblake7545 lol it was never stated, i don't know when you'll ever get over it
0:09 i cant listen to this song without thinking about Dankpod's HD600s
I srolled through so many comments trying to figure out why I knew that song
@@lucasabreu8367 ayy you watch dankpods too!
you mean the hurr durr 6 hundos
by ol' mate senny
I remember in 2014 when Vettel tried to pass Hamilton on the Kemmel Straight, he nearly drained his entire ERS only to barely get alongside whilst Hamilton only used a drop of ERS. 2019 Ferrari engine is ridiculous powerful relative to others, but 2014 Mercedes engine is in a different category altogether. It’s especially scary when you realize Mercedes were running high downforce setup whilst RB were running the Monza setup.
You mean DRS?
@@gordonnorris4202 ERS, the hybrid system
Look for Rosberg overtaking Vettel at China that year.
He enters the back straight sooo far behind but by the end was able to overtake him. On similar power he would need at least a couple of laps to get closer.
@@gordonnorris4202 how does one drain DRS?
The 2014 Mercedes was an absolute beast
333km/h with a full tank and no DRS is absolutely insane.
still werent able to win the WDC, lmao
@@danielmp2333 power is not everything in a race car
@@danielmp2333 they won both. This is about 2018 dude. Typical Braindead Max Fan
@@Leonnardoxavier But it's enough not to have enough power not to win the championship
@@danielmp2333 remember kid, always use "LMAO" in evrry sentences of yours to make it better.
Goosebumps soon as Crofty came on at 2:55. Man I'm gonna miss Seb
Man your videos are literally so exciting. This comparison is what I wanted since a long long time
I remember watching the 2017 season in vivid detail. When I saw Seb pull out of Lewis' slipstream and try to pull alongside him, only to then just start dropping back like a rock, I knew that Seb's title chances were all but shot. The PU gap was simply too large and the SF-70H, despite being great in slower-speed corners, was far too underpowered to mount a challenge vs the Mercs. 2019 on the other hand...the SF-90H was an absolute rocket.
but donkey in other areas max literally beat in underpowered Rb and u can see in austria n silverstone also tht straight line advantage helped charles alot tht's the reason why Rb choose low downforce philsophy
2019 ferrari was only incredible for the 3 races after the break
@@theicekiller7574 buy it was moreover 2nd best car and also there were 2 charles and seb and in rb only max was driving other was adapting yes it was strong for 3 races but they also miss many opportunities to win
@MrSheev That wasn't entirely correct. The mercedes had less downforce and drag than the ferrari of 2017. Also mercedes setup their ers begin clipping (reduction in deployment) much later than the ferrari.
For 3 races then the cheating stipped
According to some articles that I found, Mercedes was running around 950 PS in 2017 while Ferrari had 935. In 2018 (according to my sources), they were both leveled at 980-990 PS (Ferrari`s aero could have made the difference on the straights), while in 2019 Ferrari clearly outmuscled Mercedes with 1010-1030 PS against 995-1000, which later proved to be the infamous fuelgate. BTW, is it me or does the Ferrari just keeps levelled with the Mercedes once it gets out of the tow in the first clip of 2017 (it is clearly beaten on the second)???
Ferrari were probably fuel cheating as far back as 2015 according to the numbers and the gps data
In 2017 there was a speed trap at the Restart with Seb on Ultrasofts and Lewis on Softs: Seb reached 320 km/h with slipstream, Lewis 323 km/h without
Both were running maximum power I reckon
That would also be a prime example why Merc had the fastest car, especially on Saturdays. The reason would be their advantage of being able to develop a more reliable engine to run full power when needed to.They had 15 poles (11 for Lewis, 4 for Valtteri) while Ferrari only had 5 poles (4 for Seb, 1 for Kimi)
That lack of straight line speed is the only reason why seb didnt win that race
@@fbi0529 Lewis just got a better exit from Eau Rouge, the telemetry shows that
@@thatracingguy5694 The same applies to other races in that season:
1. Spain
Seb's team radios after Lewis overtook him: no Chance. Like a train.
And he was Held up numerous laps by Bottas who was yet to pit
2. Russia:
Bottas wins the start, Seb couldnt catch up cuz he lost about 2 tenths in the 1st Sektor each lap
3. Austria
Same reason as in Russia tbh, just lack of straight line speed
Very cool to see these comparisons of the same track from multiple years. I'm not much into F1 so having this side by side stuff to actually see and experience the difference quite easily makes it more understandable for me
2017 lewis also lifted up which vettel having to lift up too in the throttle but in 2018 vettel learned from that and managed to fly past him 🔥🔥🔥
wot
That did not make a decisive difference. As you saw on lap 1 where he was able to spend more time in the slipstream before pulling out, it really did not matter how close he was at the beginning of the kemmel straight - once he has to pull out of the tow, Hamilton would always begin to pull away again.
wonder what happen to Ferrari in 2019 , easily fastest pu on the grid yet cant mount a title challenge🤔
So many people claimed this but I haven't seen the telemetry about it. Lifting in Kemmel straight is very risky.
Can you back your point with data? Because in 2018 Vettel came out of Hamilton's slipstream sooner than 2017.
@@amnzash9292 mercedes gauge tires
This makes absolutely no account for conflicting downforce strategies. The speed graph itself shows how much quicker the merc was in the corners in the later race which suggests they were running way more downforce than the ferrari
@Nikhil Bohra If you are talking about 2019, Mercedes produced a lot more downforce in general on their car, so im sure they had small wings aswell to hep with top speed.
wasnt the engine mode ban in 2019 aswell?
@Nikhil Bohra i think he's referring to the 2018 graph where you can see that there's a massive speed difference in some parts, maybe due to different driving styles too but the difference is stupidly high
@ronanmcw 100% correct.
First sensible response here. What people don't understand is that one degree of wing back or front will make 20kph diff at over 300kph!. This not taking into account aero concepts on the floor or sidepods or intakes on each car. Let alone different power unit modes and when they are available to the driver. Yes definitely Ferrari gained more in 2018, mostly with their internal combustion engine running crazy compression in 2018 as well as improvements in ERS deployment, then there was the question of them allowing oil into the combustion chamber in 2019 which was subsequently banned in 2020.
Its crazy, at 2:00 look at Vettel's RPMs. They dip so much after he gets out of the slipstream
Same thoughts! The drop in RPM and speed is just insane.
05:51 Be sure to check out this part. It's kinda a definitive proof of Ferrari's straight-line advantage in Spa.
06:28 Vettel driving that 2019 Ferrari be like..
LEC drove it much better than Vettel
Another educational banger
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 Not really tbh.
Vettel was faster in races and qualifyings, in the latter by only 0,019% but still.
In retrospect 2019 makes me think very highly of both the Ferrari drivers at that time.
Leclerc for almost equalling a 4x wdc in his 2nd year of f1 and Vettel for being slightly faster despite already being on a decline and the car characteristics being like kryptonite for him.
I think a lot of Vettels legacy rests on how well Leclerc will do in the future, he seems to be turning out to be a future multi-wdc but time will tell.
Alonso was beat hard by Hamilton in 2007, but in retrospect with what Lewis later achieved Alonso didn't do too bad.
@@jamiemelin6949 you don't know what you are watching, LEC was much better than vettel in 2019 and 2020
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 you're comment was about the 2019 car and as such in didn't talk about 2020, which is a totally different story ofc.
But it's true, if you look at the actual qualifying gaps in the season and exclude Austria, France, Monaco and Germany the final tally is 0,019% in Vettels favour.
Thank you yelistener for the effort you put in to give us videos so often🙏
One of the best analysis channels on UA-cam. Love it!
I'm not usually a fan of videos with the text being on screen, but this was put together really well... My big issue with these style of videos is trying to time the text correctly so people have enough time to actually read and comprehend it, without sitting there for an extra 30 seconds just waiting on the video to resume. It seems you've nailed this, at least for my moderate reading pace, and it's refreshing.
3:16 Proved what I always suspected. Different deployment modes used on the Ferrari against the Merc.
It was so satisfying to see the Ferrari just simply drive past the Mercedes in 2018 after watching them struggle in 2017.
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Facts and then vettel won in 2018 with lewis in P2
When they cheated you mean look at 2020 no cheating=trash
@@best___0999 and then there is hulkenburg, raikkonen , Ricciardo , Alonso , leclerc and bottas on lap 1
Ferrari were fuel cheating, probably as far back as 2015 according to the numbers and GPS evidence.
nice touch on adding commentary for Vettel overtake . it made the video CLASSY
It’s absolutely astonishing how close they get while driving those speeds, especially when they are about to overtake. Crazy!
Interestingly Bottas got passed by both Ricciardo and Räikkönen at the restart in 2017, so it may not have been purely engine power that kept Hamilton in the lead, but also wing levels and ERS deployment.
Hamilton also lifted at the start of the sc to force vettle out of the slipstream early
because ricciardo and kimi had double slipstream
The extent of Bottas' defensive and offensive strategies are 'have the fastest car'.
and the fact that lewis is a better driver
that could've been down to how well Daniel and Kimi warmed up their tires and also Valtteri's nervousness in the battle when he had two cars on either side of him.
your content is so incredibly well put together mate. thanks so much for all the effort you put in🙏🙏
nice video. great effort displaying and narrating the exact information needed to understand and approve your comparison
First of all, thanks for leaving the explanation long enough on screen, so I can read it out. Much appreciated 🙏🏼
2018 showed the gap to Mercedes in qualify was much smaller. Ferrari also had a phenomenal hybrid system, which helped with power delivery among other things. I don't think there was much between the engines in race mode, a few ho don't make you gain 20kph from 300kph, aero does.
among other things like overfeeding fuel to the engine when the sensor wasn't seinsing
that's called cheating bro
@@keevomora nothing was specifically regulating the fuel frequency. They found a way around the sensor? Absolutely. FIA realised there was an exploitable gap in the rules, they added a sensor. Today they would call it going against the spirit of the regulations. See flexi floor. When other features which were banned still received a pass I don't understand how people get so hung up on this.
Ferrari also had reliability problems, while LH's Merc didn't break even once in 2019 (and that describes Ferrari in general). Fast reliable car is better than a slightly faster unreliable car. Especially when in the 2nd part of the season Merc pumped up the muscles, so they had both, the fastest and the most reliable car. Nothing Vettel (or anyone else) could do against that Merc.
@@furtivedig There is a reason on why they put the fuel limit in the first place, anyone can keep pumping more fuel for more power, but the reason is to see who can make the most out of the specified amount, but going against this, they somewhat cheated, but it was an exploitable thing in the first place, so Ferrari indirectly did turn to make things more fair later down the road for everyone really, something most people fail to acknowledge or even think about in the first place.
@@zhongxina7834 if it something is unregulated is not illegal. This is the whole point. It may be pedantic, but it is important to use words correctly. Were the '22 flexi floors illegal by the same argument? The spirit/nature of the regulations/limits imposed is irrelevant. Making the most efficient engine is as important as making the most powerful engine. One wants both ideally. But we are digressing
I am so glad you included " BUT HERE COMES SEBASTIAN VETTEL" in this.
Vettel also kept more space from Hamilton in 2018. You can hear him lifting before eau rouge to stay more far away and use Ham's slipstream for a longer time, carrying more momentum.
The engine was sus, but it makes no sense to ignore the fact the Merc was carrying a lot more downforce and likely was a lot less draggy. Drag matters immensely at those speeds.
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Great video. I totally agree on lap 1 comparisons but on lap 32 is not so clear imo since we don't know the engine mode, fuel consumption, ers usage etc. Thanks for another Spa related content. Don't touch my Spa man :/
It's not only engine though. How your area works at speed plays a massive part in it, plus how you're geared for the circuit. [and in F1 today your gear ratios are set per season, so you might suffer at some tracks more than others]
Thank you for this! I enjoy F1 but an fairly new (this is my third season watching). I never knew what the fabled “Ferrari cheat” was all about - until now. Nice to have a summary with excellent example footage and charts. A+
Glad u put the commentary on the 2018 clip all I could think about was “BUT HERE COMES SEBASTIAN VETTEL”
Its amazing to see the development YoY. Both teams gained almost 10kph through aero efficiency from 18 to 19 and probably with better downforce for the second Sector.
Yoy?
@@Garage_Distinct_Clips year on year, its a common abbreviation
While Mercedes are great as a team as always, 2017 was pretty fortuitous in two ways. The cars changed from narrow track to wider, which produced more downforce, and made a more powerful engine even more important. And IIRC, Mercedes were allowed to keep some oil burning in their engine at Spa and afterward, because they'd been developing it before the restrictions. Other teams missed out, and from Spa onwards, Mercedes had another locked in advantage the others couldn't touch.
Ferrari were burning oil as well. What made the Mercedes PU more powerful was its superior efficiency. They were already getting close to 50% thermal efficiency even by 2017 which is insane when you think about it; most road car petrol ICEs have around a 30% efficiency.
@@ryanjonathanmartin3933 There was definitely something at Spa onwards that year. Despite small protest Mercedes could keep it because it was already in development.
I like your editing, easy to read and simple. deserves a like
im just getting into f1, and i found this video just fantastic mate, ty
great analysis! Monza 2019 was mental when Hamilton couldn't pass Leclerc even though he had DRS every straight
And eventually Hamilton would join Team Red 😂🎉
2:05 I think it was mostly due to hamilton who didnt given enough slipstream to vettel. With enough slipstream he would be alongside or maybe a bit ahead
Ferrari was cheating with their engine for 2 years. That's why. First with the batteries and then with the fuel flow. That's where all the power came from. They were caught and forced to take it off.
I doubt that'd make any difference. Vettel lap1 enjoyed the tow much longer, both on the race start ERS mode, yet he still couldn't get ahead once getting out of the slipstream.
@@freedomt5959 its not cheating if it wasn't in the rules 🤷🏼♂, Ferrari where just clever
@@emopenguingames2895 still lost by almost 100 points in 18 and over 230 points in 19 to merc LOOOL
@@emopenguingames2895 it was in the rules, and yes they were cheating, probably as far back as 2015
Very well put together. Great video 👍
This channel is awesome. Finally aim starting to understand certain things.
2:07 you can actually listen to the drag slowdown the revolutions once he gets out of the slip stream from Lewis.
I don't think that that's only engine power based, the setup took part, in that Hamilton's mercedes had more downforce therefore be slower when not in tow, but being able to catch Vettel in the more grip demanding S2.
Great content, keep em coming
Your channel is awesome. +1 subscriber that's for sure
The ferrari 2019 PU was never illegal, it just entered grey areas
Just like the floors of the RB18 and f1-75
grey areas if not by mercedes are cheat to fiarcedes
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Red bull are unbelievably quick this season. There is something in there pu.
@@shak9527It's Aero. Also I'd argue the issue is less that Redbull got much quicker and more that Ferrarri either remained as it was in 22 or got slower.
Tbf the 2019 ferrari had very little drag as well compared to the mercedes and ferrari made the 2020 car with lots of drag and downforce , cause they thought they would be at worst equal with merc on the straights . But because they lost their magic engine , they ended up 10 to 15 kph down on the straights compqred to others and with the car that fundementally was made for qualifying ( cause it was very similar to the 2019 car ) and that meant they had a shit race car and not only that , cause their developement was only gonna be focused on reducing the drag of the car , which meant they couldn't really improve the car, they had to just make it more possible to race.
If they had their dream engine , they would'be been a match for merc in the corners and on the straights but maybe they could've had more acceleration , so they would've been equal with merc. In terms of developement , they would've focused on making the car better in all areas to improve the car in every term.
Yeah the 2020 Ferrari was only decent in slow corners early in the season giving how well they qualified in Hungary. Still LeClerc impressed to take a second place in Austria and third place in Britain.
@@Firemarioflower Leclerc is a monster at silverstone , imagine what a tough job ferrari had to try and make him not win the race with the fastest car this year , but they managed to succesfully make him finish p4 💪. He almost got pole in 2019 with the third best car.
@@Firemarioflower the only good thing about the sf1000 was that the Ferrari was mildly good on rain-mixed conditions
I still find it somewhat insane that Ferrari's entire development plan coming into 2020 was 'they won't find out we created an illegal engine', were they just thinking the FIA would give them an okay because they were Ferrari, did they expect other teams to give up their own ability to get p2 in the constructors just so Ferrari could maybe threathen Mercedes for P1?
It's just insane to think that they created the worse car they'd built in years not because of some regulations shakeup, but because they created their own regulations shakeup by making their car awful without an illegal engine.
Need more this kind of explanation for a guy totally don't know their history at all....
Able to enjoy the F1. Thks for Ur video man
To be fair, this difference can also be different aero setup.
Hamilton's 32nd lap overtake of Vettel was spectacular. He had to time his advance in the tow perfectly to get ahead just in time to prevent Vettel from creeping back with the tow on the straight and shut down the inside line right before the turn
Lol how was it spectacular ? Pretty average rly but sure keep on drooling over LH simp lol, pathetic
Nicely experimented , making it easy to understand 🙏 good luck
I remember Monza 2019 when the Mercedes with newer and softer tyre plus slipstream plus DRS could not pass Leclerc on the straight. Absolutely insane and mind-boggling.
Yes but SF90 was a low drag car, Mercedes had much downforce but also much drag, and drs in Monza is less efficient because of high-speed aerodynamic setup.
Crazy how Ferrari had so much straight line speed and yet it didn't stop Hamilton from winning wdc in all those years
Spa baku monza Mexico and eventually China are the only tracks I can think of where sustained top speed drag races happen.
It was only 2018 & 2019 2018 washed vettel happened 2019 car was a williams in the corners
@@29pesos51 doesn't matter, a car with the fastest engine theoretically should win more races. sadly ferrari only performed well during qualifying.
@@aimanazrie8944 they had ass aero in 2019
@@aimanazrie8944 that's not how it works
when the jazz came on two bars in I was fully expecting a change in the audio! damn you dankpods!!
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Vettel himself also mentioned he changed the approach.
In 2017 he followed too close.
In 2018 he left more space before Eau Rouge so he could be earlier on the throttle and carrying more speed up the hill. Closing up right on top with already a huge speed difference. Hamilton probably tried the same he did in 2017 (save ERS for when he pulls out). You can even see him making up a lot of the deficit when he pulls out. But it isn't enough.
Seems this guy watches dankpods
damn what a by lap analysis. you've earned a new subscriber
When engine, no strategy.
No engine, yes strategy.
Leclerc vs Hamilton in monza was unbelievable 😂😂😂
Yep. Hamilton could not pass him with newer and softer tyre, slipstream, and DRS.
"Ferrari 2019 engine is arguably the most powerful V6 engine so far"
Mercedes at 2021 Brazil GP:
Mercedes didn't even have the fastest straight line speed that weekend, never topped the speed trap in any session if I remember correctly
@@augenfest yeah but Lewis had unreal top speed in that race, and his engine had something like 1044 horsepower.
Non esattamente, il divario si è ampliato perché avevano un motore nuovo e utilizzarono una mappatura molto più aggressiva della concorrenza (ti ricordo che da Monza 2020 non si può cambiare la mappatura del motore in gara)
@@augenfest speed traps don't mean anything in the race because some drivers get double or triple slipstream + drs to boost their speed. Mercedes had the highest revving engine that race, which gave them power and traction
@@augenfest well you cant just look at top speed. The acceleration was unbeatable. But top speed relativ low because they could run with more downforce without any major loss of top speed
U made my day my man by editing the voice ☺️ here comes Sebastian Vettel , thanks for that
Great analysis, great channel!
Bitter truth for Ferrari fans - it was in 2017 that Vettel was the closest to the championship title. Not in 2018, but in 2017. The title was lost for technical reasons in Silvierstone and Japan.
In 2017, new tyres were introduced.Tire tests conducted by the Ferrari team, which is why the Ferrari got the lead at the start of the season, they had more information about the new tires.
However, Ferrari’s pace was obviously lower than that of the Mercedes. Instead of betting on the reliability of the car (which Red Bull did in 2021), they actually lost a lot of potential points 2 times.
Vettel was 46 points behind Hamilton in 2017 and 88 points behind in 2018. Ferrari potentially lost 50(!) points due to two technical retirements in 2017.
The 2017 Ferrari was outperformed in terms of pure speed only at one circuit in Monza. However, on other tracks (especially low-speed ones), this car could, in theory, take the podium and win. Whereas in 2018, Ferrari simply lost to Mercedes in the second half of the season on all remaining tracks. If you don't understand what I mean, just look at the 2018 season, from Italy (stage 14) to Abu Dhabi (stage 21) - no victory for Sebastian. What kind of fight for the title are we talking about here?
In short and summarizing: in 2017, if the reliability of the car was at a good level, Vettel could compete for the title in Abu Dhabi - and this is the maximum, if lucky, he could win the title. And in 2018, if Sebastian hadn’t made any mistakes at all, he would have lost the title back in Brazil, because 88 points it's a lot, this is a real disaster, no error-free driving would have helped here.
And a gifted win in Singapore by vettel
Vettel made alot of mistakes in 2018 and probably could have got more points with that car
The 2018 car was better than the 2017 Ferrari. However, Both Ferrari strategists/mechanics and Vettel were better in 2017 than in 2018. The 2017 Ferrari was a clear 2nd best car, it was still worse than the Mercedes, especially in terms of engine power AND reliability. Vettel IMO in 2017 was his best year after 2013... He drove the nuts of that car and made spectacular overtakes and had amazing wheel to wheel actions. Not a single spin or crash. His only fault in 2017 was his moment in Baku which wasn't "driver error" but more "human error", but in the end, it was still the best scenario for him as without that incident and Hamilton's headrest problem, Hamilton would've won the race and gain 7 points on him.
In 2018 the pressure of Ferrari's incompetent strategy and decisions (Kimi wasn't anywhere near the championship so he should've gotten the Bottas treatment in the right time) caugh up to Vettel. Suzuka 2018 was a prime example of a very uncharacteristic move by Vettel, never have I seen him try for a miracle overtake like that race, and while it could've worked, he has to remember that it was Max who he was up again, a driver that leaves no space to others, pretty much on the limit (fair but hard).
@@gamingnoah9807 vettel made alot of mistakes throughout his entire F1 career
@@grimm6jack before that he crashed into bottas at france and spun, he was leading the championship at that point, he also crashed at germany and USA
The 2018-2019 Ferrari also had an illegal PU tho. Though they never admit fault or were found guilty, they were awfully slow after RB asked for clarification
@@traxex117 They way the investigation concluded and the fact that Ferrari and the FIA came to an "agreement and settlement" was and still is extremily suspicious.
It was almost certainly illegal, if Ferrari were playing by the rules then why make a deal with the FIA to keep the investigation's findings under wraps?
Allegedly, Ferrari were synchronizing the fuel pump to the FIA sensors such that they could pump more fuel when the sensor was not sampling. Not illegal, but the FIA closed that down. Was Mercedes oil burning illegal? No, but the FIA closed that down too. Steering wheels that move in and out to alter steering geometry. Flexible wings. F-duct. Mass damper. Inerter damper. Double diffuser. Fan car. Double chassis ground effects. 6 wheelers. This is racing. Find an advantage within the rules, maybe it gets banned, maybe not.
@@traxex117 it's as simple as this.. soon as the FIA had a investigation Ferrari was slow as shit.. but because they are 'ferrari' and they are paid to stay in the sport, the information never explicitly came out
@@keithallsop theres a difference between finding loopholes and dumping more fuel in the mixture when the sensors aren't "looking". Like in basketball when dribbling was invented it changed the game. This isn't one of those cases. They cheated while the refs weren't looking. at least that's how I see it. We all know ferrari has some privilege in F1. only team in f1 getting an allowance for simply being in.
@@traxex117 my brother, as soon as red bull asked for clarification they became slow because they had to change their set up so it became legal again. If it wasn't illegal before why would they suddenly become slower after?
Great video. I would’ve loved to hear seb on the radio in 2017 after he couldn’t overtake on the straight!
wow, looking back, those were beautiful years and championship battles even if I was a Sebastian Vettel fan
6:11 There is a specific and strict fuel pump regulation that all engines have to respect. And to ensure this, the FIA had placed a pump scanner in each manufacturer's engine. What Ferrari did was smart and tricky: let's say the scanner scans once per second. Ferrari did know about the timing and increased the fuel pump in their engines while there was no scan. That's the reason behind the incredible straight-line speed. Red Bull did suspect this and talked to the FIA. Later, the FIA found out but didn't reveal it (you know that's a huge shame for the red team). Instead, they reduced the fuel pump (under the permitted regulations) in the Ferrari engines for 2020.
Technically this was a systematic loophole cheat, and you couldn't prove it because no data. But it was overall against the rules because it wasn't a loophole in the rules but the sensors themselves. I'd say it was incredibly smart even if unfair.
It doesn't explain why the 2020 engine was THAT weak.
@@srinitaaigaura id just call it what it is. cheating
@@megawave79 we are not talking about ILLEGAL cheatcedes test with pirelli and fia prove NOTHINF abou ferrari "cheat" smartass.
When your engine is legal Vs When your engine is illegal
It was not a cheat. It was a loophole which claimed illegal after 2019
@@Benedek_Varga haha good one. They just put more fuel when fuel flow system was not measuring.
Yeah nobody told Ferrari this is not legal and the had to specify the rules 😂
@@Benedek_Varga the rules clearly specified that no more than 100kg/hr could be burned AT ANY TIME, They were clearly cheating, and according to the gps data and the fuel numbers they were probably doing so as far back as 2015.
@@magicsenna tbh the fuel flow sensor wasn't detecting the extra fuel and the rulebook didn't mention anything about adding fuel while the sensor isn't looking so it isn't technically illegal. So more like neither legal nor illegal
@@magicsenna Yeah except the fact that when Mercedes used to do that the years before burning oil with a much bigger power advantage everyone was sleeping
This video just blew my mind. I somehow felt the feeling in my body of racing at this speed and that was the scariest thing I have ever experienced. These guys are going so fucking fast. Oh my god.
Good work buddy !
In 2018 he approaches Eau Rouge differently than the year before. He stays further back and comes off full throttle for a split second but comes back to full power before the climb giving him a MASSIVE slipstream effect. Yes the new engine helped a lot but this was a tactical adjustment that really gave him that upper hand
2019 engine was different level. I still remember ham cant close enough even he use drs and fresh tyre at monza.
Yo great effort on the video!😍
Amazing Video.
Thanks 😊
Max: that's what happens when you stop cheating 🥶 loll
That's what you get when you don't leave space
I don't see him saying the same this year with the huge advantage that RB has on the straights
@@thetable4638 they *had* a huge advantage though, since the Austrian GP Ferrari has gotten rid of their straight line speed weakness
@@Shittified Not completely
how many stories for three grands prix won ... when mercedes has cheated in the same way from 2014 until today (obviously political weight counts in these cases)
engine ilegal in 2019
*illegal after 2019
@@Benedek_Varga the engine was only illegal in 2019 and maybe 2018
@@gamingnoah9807 the gps a fuel data say that it was probably illegal from 2015
@@byanymeansnecessary9329If so that's fucking sad, because Mercedes was just as bullshit in 15 and 16 as they were in 14, so what the hell was Ferrari doing?
@@Benedek_VargaYou mean their 2020 boat? The worse Ferrari car this century? That one?
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The Ferrari engine was not weak in 2017 and was very close to the performance of the Mercedes engine, but the Mercedes had less downforce than the Ferrari and therefore less dragging, while in 2018 and especially 2019 the Ferrari engine was rocket and much stronger than the Mercedes one in addition to the lower drag in the Ferrari car as a result of the lower downforce also
No. You can see how all the Ferrari power cars suffered at Monza that year and how even Williams had a better qualifying than Ferrari.
@@thetable4638 it was wet dummy george got p2 in spa in 2021 in the wet
when its wet the field is almost equal
@@angelonishan1551 Dude not 1 but 2 Williams were starting ahead of Ferrari
@paper plane Mercedes had a pretty big power advantage that year but contrary to what you've said the car wasn't as draggy as the SF70H
@paper plane In 2019 not in 2017
There was nothing suspicious about the sudden increase in Ferrari engine power, especially not since it happened mid-season: they clearly cheated, most likely found a way to bypass the FIA mandatory fuel regulator.
This also explains why - after their secret deal with the FIA - their (same) engines suddenly were a lot weaker.
You could also say that it's the same thing for last year's Mercedes engine of the second half of the season especially in Interlagos there's basically no way how Mercedes got that huge power advantage in such a short amount of time while in the start of the season the Honda one was better. You can't tell me that an engine that makes a car 20 km/h faster on the main straight with no DRS is different from the SF90 engine.
Btw even without the fuel sensors they still had the most raw power. And Mercedes was doing the same thing the years before burning oil even with a bigger power advantage.
@@thetable4638 didn't you see them testing them on Bottas before putting is on Hamilton ? And everything is now tightly regulated
@@herschelle.c Yeah exactly they've tried like 20 brand new ICEs on Bottas's car lol
Cheated as Mercedes has done at that very moment in Spa when they homologated the 4th engine before the directive that stop burning "engine" oil more than 0.9 Liter/100 km went into effect, pretty much staying above the prescribed consumption for the rest of the 2017 season (1.2 Liter/100). Very fair
Love your video's Man.
Redbull engine in Spa 2022: allow me to introduce myself
It is impossible to point out which engine is most powerfull since we dont have same chasis. There is difference in downforce and drag that each car has. As u said yourself, Vettel lost a lot of time in sector 2 which is highly downforce related which can tell that he was using a lot of less downforce which equalls to less drag and gives more speed on straights.
Also, with these hybrid engines - you can’t just compare power unit to power unit. Some have more power at the top of the Rev band. Some can deploy electric energy lap after lap, but others needs a lap to recharge.
For example, the 2022 Ferrari has a much smaller turbo than 2021. They did this so it spins up very quickly. This means amazing power at low revs, which combined with a higher downforce gives amazing traction out of corners. But the smaller turbo means less peak power at the top of the Rev range, and so a lower top speed.
The power units and the cars are designed in harmony.
You should have also included last year's Mercedes engine in the second half of the season especially with Hamilton destroying everybody else in the main Interlagos straight with something like a whopping 20 km/h advantage with no DRS
God bless this channel & the owner!
1:17 it is very cool to see that a tactical race becomes a kind of drag race for a very short time!
Crazy how even with a probably illegal engine Ferrari in 2019 was barely in front and only in tracks where straight line speed ruled, the superiority of Mercedes in recent years was insane.
Of course Mercedes got this advantage through their enormous engine advantage from 2014. This advantage was so gigantic in 2014 that they hardly had to use any resources to further develop the engine in the following years because the competing teams were so far behind. As a result they were able to invest significantly more in aerodynamic development than any other team. When something like this happens over many years, the result is a car as superior as the Mercedes. In the first hybrid years they didn't have the best car in terms of aerodynamics, mechanical grip etc..
top speed its not just engine tho, if you got a good engine but a bad aero efficiency you will be slow too
Exactly, drag is squared with speed, and is much more important for a high top speed. Gearing is important too.
Good work. I Really appreciate it
1:14 that lightning fast twitch on the steering wheel...
2022 - Merc's engine is weakest 😀
Lol yeah running at 70% power ofc makes it the weakest
The Alpine engine is definitely weaker. It‘s probably Ferrari
No, it's the same engines they ran in 2021, which were just as fast as Honda's dominant engines at times. It's just that they had a shit aero design and instead of binning it went with it for it 2 years straight. Renault's PU is definitely the worse.
Mercedes had like 15 bhp advantage over Ferrari in 2017. In 2018 it was slightly more in favour of Ferrari (+-5-10 bhp). But in 2019, it was essentially Ferrari domination in terms of their engine, for an already known reason..
imagine letting the fuel flow into the intercooler lmao
bra keep it up bra, your content is unparalleled
Great video.
Where did you find the picture of kimis ferrari? I really liked the photo but cant seem to find it.
Thank you!!!
Imaging cheating with such magnitude 2 years in a row and still taking massive Ls back to back, could only be Ferrari
Even without cheating in this 2022 season, they can't even win more races lol
Im not sure they cheated in 2018 mate. In 2019 for sure, but in 18 they were cleared
@@zeinmets3550 they weren't caught in 2018 😂
what about 2021 merc ? i'm still curious about it, can you imagine hamilton win in Brazil from the back of the grid and the craziest thing is he won in jeddah with Hard Tyres and a broken front wing , and he still got the fastest lap too (max is on medium) 😳 (imho, i still think that 2021 mercedes w12 is the fastest f1 car on straight, RB18, sf71h, sf90 are not even close) it's just my opinion btw*
Hamilton in Brazil was simply ridiculous. Wish engines were less expensive, that way teams could always run with brand new engines, because even with the penalties, it would still be worth it if they were THAT much faster.
2020 cars are faster overall. The Rb16, which lost the championship to both Mercedes, was faster over a lap than the Rb16b that won 2021.
2021 Merc was slower than Honda because their engines didn't last a long(Honda really pulled a masterstroke of engineering and created engines that lasted for their entire lifetime with nearly no loss in performance), but after using Valterri Bottas as a guinea pig(there's no number 1 driver at mercedes, though-Toto Wolff) they created a monster of an engine with low reliablity but incredible power, which would have won Lewis the championship if not for _the incident_
@@windrose5988 i know, i also watch 2020 season, but what i'm saying is that w12 was "fastest car on straight at that year (at specific track)" not overall fastest or 1 lap fastest like w11