They actually reached the end of the line... at around 21.000 rpm the Flame isn't fast enough to keep delivering more Power with more revs, cause the pressure raise starts being slower then the gas cycle in the piston. The work cycles is so Short, it has no time to burn through or expand.
They had a similar problem with the current v6s. Mercedes was the first to solve and reaped the benefits during the start of the hybrid era. The solution found was inspired in rocket engine technology and involves a pre-burner: a small combustion chamber in which a small amount of fuel is ignited. The shape of the chamber greatly accelerates the flame to the main combustion chamber, where it spreads and is mixed with more fuel, igniting it. This increased flame spreading speed, the quality of the spread and the burning efficiency.
If I recall correctly, at the height of the era, Honda engine reached 22,650 RPM, while the second best BMW was at the low 22,000 RPM range. Correct me if I'm off.
@@lucasrocha7721 We (powertrain engineers) call that Turbulent Jet ignituon, or TJI. The effect is that instead of producing one Flame wall from the Spark you create multiple, one from each of the bores of the preignition chamber, leading to a faster burn of the mixture, a steeper pressure gradiant, a higher Peak pressure, more time to (over) expand the gasses and by that way more effiency and power.
@@cipher-6.66 not about DRS. It's about the number of teams that were competitive and number of different champions. You look at early V8 era. You had Alonso 2006, Raikkonen 2007, Hamilton 2008, Button 2009 and then Vettel 2010. We had the most intense and closest championships in F1 history in those years where it usually went to down to final races and 2-4 drivers can win the championship. That wasn't the case for most of the V10 era. Forget about 2012 where it was perhaps the best season ever in F1. V10 engines may sound, but the V8 era delivered more.
When my father and I first visited an F1 race at the Nürburgring in 2004, the sound of those V10 shocked us immensely. It's hard to describe in words, those things SCREAMED like nothing I had ever heard before. First thing we did when we got back that day was buy some earplugs because my god, you needed those. The V8 engines introduced a few years after still sounded great, but it was already a huge step down from the V10's.
I was at a saturday F1 in 2021 which of course meant qualifying but also the Porsche Supercup and F3 and F2 came by. Luckily I had earplugs, especially for the Porsche Supercup. We didn't need them for the F1 cars. The one time I actually heard a V10 it was a Jordan with a Mugen V10. It was glorious before it went in to the barriers.
I've only heard v8 but I was sitting on the covered grandstand at nürburgring's mainstraight... and my good, the comparison to a fighter jet isn't unreasonable. The whole ground was shaking lol. It felt like someone used a jackhammer on your breast. I covered my ears the whole time the whole time and it was still unreasonable loud (that surely damaged your eyes - most didn't). I was the happiest guy on that day with a crazy big smile. Just pure power that felt like I am in the engine. That's how f1 should sound like - anyone in a 20km circle should hear when it is f1 time! Listening to f1 engines through speakers doesn't even come close to how impressive and awesome they sound actually
I remember something similar. Before the first session started i had my earplugs in my hand because i wanted to hear the "unfiltered sound", my uncle who was there pointed out to me that it was silly and i should take his advice to put the plugs in already.... After the first car passed if was putting the plugs in as quickly as possible!!! Damn those V10's where incredible, nothing compared to it (well maybe jets at airshows doing maximum performance AB-takeoff).... Glorious!
I went to see a race in hungary 2014. F3 and f2 were waaaay to loud. I really needed earplugs, otherwise i would go deaf. F1 on the other hand was still loud, you just didnt need the plugs. I really enjoyed their sound and loudness. I was 14 at the time and might have a little bias, but it was still a great experience.
Any high level motor race requires earplugs. They are all well beyond the threshold of hearing damage if you spend an appreciable amount of time trackside. Even touring cars will damage your ears. I remember being really angry at parents wheeling their babies and toddlers into the Melbourne GP in prams and strollers with no hearing protection on them. What's worse is the cars are so loud, they couldn't even hear their babies screaming...
You don't because today's cars sound like angry sewing machines, so us oldies have this sound memory that is now disappointing when you hear todays cars.... Yes - get off my damn grass while you're there....
You can probably still catch some of these cars in Goodwood, i'm planing to go some day, tho unfortunately it will not be the same as seeing the full grid of cars being driven in anger
@@sammerry7706 exactly. i don't know a shit ton, but i am pretty sure the tech and engineering is even better now, being forced to fit more reasonable constraints while still achieving comparable performance. sustainability is not as sexy, but still plenty awesome imo!
@@alveolate wouldnt say better, just different, petroleum has far better energy density than stored electrical energy which is why the cars are so much heavier which is arguably worse but it is a defferent engineering challenge i guess
This is why I’ve switched to watching the Aussie v8’s. They’ve just done away with all the driver assists this season, back to pure v8 cars like the old days.
@@johnschall3013From like 1999-2005 or so visited some F1 races with my father here in Europe. It sounded epic, but I am more than grateful that we were always made to use hearing protection. The sound was still great with protection, just a bit quieter. But holy shit was it loud without protection.
thanks to my father watching pretty much every single race ever since i know him, i got into F1 at around 2004, when i was just 5 years old. needless to say at the time i wasn't capable of understanding what kind of blessing it was to be able to experience f1 during its peak. sadly never went to an f1 race in my life
I've been to three GP's in this era, 1 in Spa and 2 in Hockenheim. The V10 sound goes through the ground and right through your body. Beholding a GP start then was an absolute assault on the senses. Best F1 engines ever.
I was at Monza in 2003, I was 10 at the time, we had "seats" (actually just standing in the grass) at the straight before the parabolica, I don't remember too much about the race but the sound... oh boy that was completely insane.
Unfortunately I never had the opportunity to see Group B live, that would've been truly epic! I've been lucky enough to be showered with gravel from the back of Colin McRae's Focus as he blatted though Keilder a couple of times though. Such an awesome memory. RIP Colin you absolute legend.
I was lucky enough to hear them once in 2005. Every time a session started you could hear them from the other side of the circuit and all I could think was that the drivers were brave to be trying to tame these beasts. The hairs on the back of my neck would stand on end.
I’ll never forget in Indy 2003 hearing the V10s for the first time. My God I was speechless. My jaw hit the floor. The kind of sound you can feel in your soul. The only thing that can rival that sound is a fighter jet
F1 is still living off the V10 era. Anyone who witnessed it became instantly hooked and we still watch F1 today, get others into it, get our kids into it, all because of this era. There's no way the V6 era or even the V8 era could ever inspire the same kind of passion the V10 cars did.
I remember sitting on the main straight at IMS for the USGP and the sound echoed because the tall grandstands on one side and the garages and more grandstands on the other side. The sound of 20-22 starting the race was GLORIOUS!
All around great video. The V10's remain the pinnacle of engine's IMO. Small correction, F1 never had a limit of 17,000 rpm. It's funny how the FIA strayed from V10s because of "cost" as they claim, but the complex power units of today are far more expensive. Unfortunately 3.0L V10s can never be as efficient as the today's hybrid engines.
The thing I remember most about the reports at the time was that it was about safety and not cost, though Max Moseley liked to use safety as a catch all to force through changes quickly. I could kind of see the reason as those V10 cars could hit 230mph with less run off, though ironically the V8's cornered quicker as the smaller engine allowed for better airflow and more downforce.
@@andrewcarter9649 think the big safety concern was catastrophic engine failure, much like in top fuel limitations. Often see it cited that turbos were banned in top fuel to control speed, but is heaps better ways to control that, nitrometh melts turbos like no tomorrow and thats a recipe for taking out multiple cars that some are not flirting with the limits of sensible engineering near as much.
I grew up with F1 in the early 80's and haven't missed a single race since 1984. To this day, the V10 still blows my senses through the roof and Montoya's lap of Monza makes for one hell of a ringtone. There's some old media that Renault released as a soundtrack and also a long form video on VHS of the factory developing their V10 back in the early 90's, around 1993~94 I believe. My mate had a copy back then but I can't seem to find it ANYWHERE now except for random clips of the intakes inhaling fuel and wailing their guts out but if you can find it, I swear it will blow your head clean off. A huge piece of F1 died inside when they phased them out for V8's and then finally with the lawnmowers.
I'm with you. Formula 1 died for me with the introduction of the hybrid lawn mower engines, and the final nail in the coffin was the halo. I haven't watched a second of any race since the end of the 2017 season. I'm sure good racing is going on, etc, but I couldn't care less anymore.
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@@trevg7253 it's the same amount of air displacement wise. In a 3l engine with 100% volumetric efficiency the power output will be almost the same at the same rpm so bore/stroke is a minor factor. The problem is maintaining a high VE at high RPM, and the bigger valves help with that. So your reply to soso1p2011 doesn't really make because you aren't talking about the same things. If you like engines do some research about VE, it's a simple concept that should be explained in 5 minutes in any decent UA-cam video.
@@AndyFromBeavertoni am sorry but you dont understand engineering. in f1 you always go for the limit but today you need to complete even more tasks with durability and simulation and when the engine blws up from a design mistake its not an achievement even tho it looks cool
@@y_fam_goeglydwhich made every racing weekend unpredictable because it happened even to the best and all of a sudden and the engineers couldn’t predict many engine blows due to back then missing telemetry data. Good old times, never knowing what was gonna happen 😎
Back in the '60's Honda wanted to see if rpm could outrun the flame speed at very high revs. This CAN happen which then needs more timing advance but if the cylinder plumbing is made correctly the VE will increase as the rpm's come up and not need more timing. I think they hit 24,000 and the flame front was still accelerating with the engine speed.
Good old Honda. People also like to forget that in the late 80’s early 90’s the big four Jap motorcycle manufacturers (Yamaha, Honda, Kawi, Suzuki) all had 250cc bikes that were capable of revving past 18000-19000rpm
@@headlibrarian1996 Honda hired the Donnington track for their 50th Anniversary and they had Mike Hailwood and John Surtees going around the track in Honda F1 cars one a 3 litre and the other a 1.5 litre but the star of the show was a 297 6 cylinder that Mike used to race in the 350 class that used to rev to 18k rpm people gathered around it and then two Honda executives (in suites ) bumped it off and everyone flew away people said you could hear it ten miles away. But the E class how can you get excited about a 2.5 kw washing machine motor can you?
I'll never forget hearing the sound of the V10s heading out for their 7AM warmup at the 1999 Australian Grand Prix in Melbourne. The Albert Park circuit is near to the centre of the city and the sound traveled for kilometers across the city. Imagine the tranquility of a Sunday morning shattered by up to 20 V10s revving to impossible speeds. Spine tingling and unforgettable.
The way you mentioned shattered tranquility instantly made me think of the Africa Special on Top Gear, where Jeremy uttered a similar line for James May on a very fateful morning.
Early n/a era with manual gearboxes was simply glorious. You could hear the drivers shifting and matching revs. Engine down shifts into corners were epic. True, paddle shifters sounded just as good and resulted in faster times but gone was the driver working the throttle.
reason V10 sound so good its that the exhaust pulse is in 5/4 time, which is used in spy-esque musics like the mission impossible songs or in jazz. its has more "groove" in it due to the mismatch of the beat number and count number. V12 is in 6/4 timing, which most people will refer as an extended 4/4 timing and V8 is 4/4. It is very widely used so it doesn't sound as exotic
That's really interesting! I've seen a few videos about V12 exhaust setups and how dramatically they effect sound. For example an Aston Martin and a Zonda have very similar engines and the same firing order but one sounds like a VERY angry tractor and the other one sounds like, well a Zonda.
@@bennyb.1742 there are a lot of things that can affect exhaust sounds in the same engine layout. header length, design, material, crossing, mufflers, cylinder head design and material all changes the sound of an engine
I'm a musician and there's no way you can get a 'feel' for or can even determine the time signature at over 10,000 BPM. You might prefer the sound and it might line up with your musical tastes - but that's a coincidence, nor your slow-ass brain with a 15ms thinking latency somehow recognizing the time signature.
The Noise of the V10 together with the smell is unbelievable! The excitement gets you wanting to drive one of those cars forever. I sat in one but never drove one. I did get ear mufflers from the pit guy but i had plugs anyway and i still have the ear mufflers today. Brilliant!
I had the pleasure an absolute privilege of witnessing the V10 beasts on 3 occasions at Albert Park..2002,2003 & (2005)... which was the last year of them. I have to say I have never heard anything like it...phenomenal is an understatement, the noise they made going through the turn 9 & 10 chicane going up through the gears was mind blowing and deafening.. unreal. The V10 sound to me is pure Formula 1 racing... nothing comes close. Just watch Lewis Hamilton reaction at Abu Dhabi when Alonso was showcasing his championship winning Renault R25... his reaction just speaks for itself 💥💥💥💥💥
I was fortunate enough to watch all/most of this starting around 1965. Started going to Sebring in '59 when I was just 5, and even as a kid knew what to listen for. It was wonderful!
Oh the memories, I had a Renault documentary on their V10, at some point they ran the telemetry of an Hockenheim lap (old circuit, trough the forest) with the engine on a dyno, blasted that on my hi-fi Kenwood stereo, sounded almost like the engine was in my living room, so awesome!
That V10 sound is even more glorious when heard in real life than on TV. TV or video can't remotely do it justice. In RL those machines just sound brutally violent and powerful. I always will remember my first F1 race that I attended live. When the cars flowed out of the pit lane at low RPM for their first qualifying session even this sounded so loud and threatening it nearly blew me away. And when they came screaming down the long straight at full throttle it made all my hairs in the neck stand up. So wonderful!
Me too - it doesn't even serve its purpose. Put the current champion in the loosing team's car and they'll still be the losing team. Why bother actually racing if it doesn't determine who is the best driver? they may as well just show us dyno runs instead of races and cut right to the podium.
@@JohnnyWednesday With out freedom there is no chance for the underdog to innovate - thus like in the current socialist/fascist oligarchy we are in now everything starts to stagnate in favor of the big boys who just want to keep the status quo, i.e. themselves in positions of more and more weatlh and power.
My first and only F1 race in Australia was the last year of the V10 engines, it was also one of the years we still had the super cars (including the Dodge Viper) and the V8 Supercars. My ears were hurting that weekend.
That V10 sound is so so good! It's the sound I think of when I think of F1, even to this day. The 12 sounds really good too. But doesn't quite have that high pitch scream that the V10 has.
This was an awesome video. My friend got me into F1 in 2012, so I never got to see this live, but man I would give so much to be able to see, and especially hear those machines live!!
What a glorious sound, the v10s is pure music to my ears ❤. Wish I saw/heard them live. I was 13 at the time of the v10s era and it's magic hasn't faded since then
I was rewatching the 2006 Bahrain Grand Prix, and both commentators said they didn't like the sound of "those new V8's" because it was too loud and not particulary good sounding. I find it funny because now we would give everything only too have V8's back !
compared to the V10s the V8s did sound boring, shrill but without individual character with the V10 every engine had a characteristic sound, you could tell which car it was without looking the BMW was harsh, and sounded like it was tearing apart the gearbox on downshifts, the Renault was singing with its melody telling you what it was doing, the Ferrari was very smooth,....
@@AbrahamArthemius indeed! A higher revving inline 4 than the current V6 would sound much, much better. It'd give a glimpse of that flatplane V8 sound, even an inline 5 would be amazing!!!
The Honda RA109E V10 was actually the most powerful V10 in 1989 with a reported 685bhp vs the Renault's 650bhp, and helped Prost and Senna dominate that season. Honda even later produced an even more powerful V12 with 800bhp. It wasn't until Honda's departure in 1992 that Renault produced the best engine that year, with their RS4 V10.
Here's a freeby guys, as I feel like you're missing literally half the video: Typically torque will drop off as rpms increase, meaning that you can't simply increase the redline and make more power, no matter if the engine can take it, mechanically. Torque is directly related to how much air and fuel you can fit into the engine during the intake stroke. Combustion efficiency comes into play (derived mainly from how well mixed your air and fuel are, as well as compression ratio, combustion speed and ignition angle). You can change valve lift, timing and duration to optimize that valve opening window to get as much air as you can through the intake ports, but at 19000rpm, that valve opening window is SO small, that those ports actually become a bottleneck. (theoretically your maximum airflow happens when the airflow reaches the speed of sound, beyond which you get a 'choked flow', where the air travels faster but loses density so your essentially moving basically the same amount of air molecules). Where I'm getting at is: if torque drops off faster than the rpms can add additional horsepower (HP = torque * rpm / 5252), then this means that revving higher will net you less HP. Luckily, to not explode your rotating assembly at high rpms, you typically reduce the bore/stroke ratio, meaning you'll get a bigger piston diameter, slowing down your average piston speed during the revolution. This ALSO translates to ***more space to put it bigger valves***. Basically: as your bore becomes bigger, even if you reduce the stroke to maintain an identical displacement, you benefit from having the possibility to use bigger valves, which will flow more at higher rpms, thus allowing you to maintain the cylinder filling that is critical to maintaining enough torque at high rpms to generate more HP. The draw-back is that huge valves actually flow like crap at low rpms, induce terrible air/fuel mixing, both because you lack air speed through the intake ports at lower rpms. This is a contributing factor as to why high revving engines like motorcycles get such bad efficiency at low rpms compared to typical road car engines.
This is exactly the reason why the Australian Grand Prix organisers eliminated the Ultimate Speed Comparison. They grew tired of us spectators telling them year after year that the 15 year old two seater Minardi sounded better than the new hybrid engined Formula One cars.
I remember going to my first Grand Prix when they had those engines. I can hear them from the main part of the city in Montreal and as they got louder and louder as you got closer and closer to the track by walking then you get there and they turn your beer flat because of the sheer noise and power from them. No joke
There should be higher class named F1 Unlimited and hold a race two or three times a year... It would be amazing to see what humans are capable of creating without any of these rules or pressing schedules. Imagine the level of innovation and progress. Cool video, thanks!
@@danu9838 and yet an F1 car wiped away its Spa record the very next time they drove there. There is nothing particularly impressive about building something fast with no regulatory or budgetary constraints.
The comment section here is amazing! So much tech insight to add to the channel. I miss the V12 and V10 era so much, or as I like to call it, the height of the tobacco era. Unlimited budgets and the best drivers the world will ever know. Like so many F1 fans, the engine note of the V10 is imprinted in my mind
The grooved tires from that era really bummed me out. I remember even as a teenager being absolutely baffled by the highest level of motorsport running intentionally crap tires.
@@sudazima yeah it was designed to reduce surface area for less grip without making them run really silly looking skinny tires. I'm probably a little older so my mental image as a little kid was the insane, almost wider than tall tires they ran in the 90s
As much as V10 era is praised (and it's considered illegal not to praise it), I can't help but feel like they don't really sound like a vehicle to me, more like an annoying siren. Personally, I find 2.4L V8 engines sound much more enjoyable
Sorry, the wail of a V10 is unmatched. Yes, they sound like a siren... the mythical sort. To stand track-side and listen to them row through gears at full song was pure car porn.
V10 def had a beautiful sound. You could feel it in your bones in a way you don't get from the hybrid 6. I will point out that while a completely difference sound Formula E cars sound awesome, like jet fighters. You get this satisfying Doppler shift sound effect when they shoot by. They just need to be a bit louder.
Want to talk about internal engine stresses. Look into a top fuel dragster. 500 cubic inches (approx 8 L) and produce approx 12,000 HP. run around 9,500 rpms. Turn over only 900 times in a qt of a mile. Must be rebuilt after every run.
I am by no means an engineer but maybe a good comparison would be to look at road cars NA V12/V10 engines from the 90s/early 00s to now for comparison and add 50-100+hp (because of more and more regulations) F.ex Ferrari Enzo/McLaren F1 Both 6.0L V12 NA, producing 650hp roughly 110hp / pr L ´´Normally´´ you would get 130hp pr L (GT3, Ferrari 812, Aventador, Zonda etc) all around 130hp pr L. They can push it more, but for regulations and reliability they have to keep it around this area. Some cars are more extreme,150hp pr L (Valkyrie) or 160hp (T.50) F1 cars with 3.0L V10 could achieve 320hp pr L and the power levels were still rising even though they put restrictions in 2005 We maybe would have seen 400-450hp pr L or more If there were no regulations and car manufacturers were allowed to continue to improve
I was lucky enough to have worked with these Mercedes V10s at the track and dyno. They were totally amazing and sounded incredible, unfortunately even though the new V6s are more technologically advanced they are dull in comparison. Just hearing the sound again almost makes the tinnitus worth it!
Good old days ,i am aware they wont bring them back or even the v8's but at least give them a few more k's rpm(between 2 or 5) so it wont sound so bad.Even F2 is better than the trash v6h.
They aren't currently limited due to revs, they can rev to 15k in the rules, the issue is the fuel flow of 100kg/hr, that's why they only rev to 12k now. But in 2026 the MGU-H will be removed which muffles a lot of the sound, so they will be louder in 2026, but probably won't rev any higher either.
@@SkylineBNR34 i know they arent limited by the Fia,its lower for the fuel consumption but still F1 needs more sound & not the s***t show its been since 14,even the 80's v6 had more sound to them.
Not a fan of the screeching sound. I'd prefer a big V8 sound wise, but I'm also aware that it is not an acceptable opinion, and that somehow everyone is obligated to idolize this banshee engine sound of the V10
Understandable. Late V10s and early V8s are my preferred engines sound-wise, but that's mostly because these are the ones I grew up with. I don't even remember the end of the V10 era I was so young, but dad would be watching F1 and I'd be in the living room with him, so it's the sound I'd hear in my early childhood, and early V8 era is when I remember watching F1 the most (2006-2008 in particular, I had to stop for a while after Hungary 2009 with the accident and the slight trauma of almost losing Massa right after being robbed of his title) before coming back full time last year.
Cutting the cost? Really? How much does an F1 engine cost today? More or less than a v10? F1 has too many rules and regulations, there should be more free areas for teams to explore.
The sound that defined an era, you had to wear some form of ear protection if you were on the start line due to how loud the cars were even when stationary. Now, it's rather boring being in the stands, you can't hear them coming like you could in the V8/V10 era.
My family didn't have much money growing up, but I'll always remember my dad taking us to where the race was being held, and holding my up on his shoulders so I could take a peek through the fence for the two seconds a lap the V10s all ripped by. And this was from a man who didn't even particularly care about cars.
The new cars CAN rev to 15k despite drivers shfiting at 12k. The reason, which Scott forgot to explain, is that the new engines are fuel flow limited. This means they can only do so much power and after hitting 12k they aren't really going any faster, the parasitic drag starts to eat away the power. The turbo hybrid cars have much better low end torque, so they don't need to scream like old F1 cars. A shame in terms of sound, but that's just how it is. Turbo hybrid engines have about twice the torque of naturally aspirated V10's. it's much easier to lose grip with such engines because they can bite very hard if you overdo the acceleration in tight turns, and they can't really drift being downforce cars. I'm sure the V10 cars are much more raw to drive but these are all extremely powerful tier 1, they will ravage in different ways.
Whatever people say about the racing today, the 00s were peak F1 for me. Incredible sound, many manufacturer entries and different engines for almost all teams, different tire makers, and the passes while there were few they were skilled, not just passing by with DRS. I can understand why people may like more F1 now, but the F1 I first saw and loved was a completely different championship.
They actually reached the end of the line... at around 21.000 rpm the Flame isn't fast enough to keep delivering more Power with more revs, cause the pressure raise starts being slower then the gas cycle in the piston. The work cycles is so Short, it has no time to burn through or expand.
They had a similar problem with the current v6s.
Mercedes was the first to solve and reaped the benefits during the start of the hybrid era.
The solution found was inspired in rocket engine technology and involves a pre-burner: a small combustion chamber in which a small amount of fuel is ignited. The shape of the chamber greatly accelerates the flame to the main combustion chamber, where it spreads and is mixed with more fuel, igniting it.
This increased flame spreading speed, the quality of the spread and the burning efficiency.
If I recall correctly, at the height of the era, Honda engine reached 22,650 RPM, while the second best BMW was at the low 22,000 RPM range. Correct me if I'm off.
@@lucasrocha7721 We (powertrain engineers) call that Turbulent Jet ignituon, or TJI. The effect is that instead of producing one Flame wall from the Spark you create multiple, one from each of the bores of the preignition chamber, leading to a faster burn of the mixture, a steeper pressure gradiant, a higher Peak pressure, more time to (over) expand the gasses and by that way more effiency and power.
@@willywonka4340 Cosworth reached 21.000 rpm and that's the record in the car. What happened on the dyno is a different matter.
And then in 2007 the regulations said that engines could not go higher than 19.000rpm in an effort to limit costs of reliability issues
The V10 era was the best era. That glorious sound.
V10 was the best sound but not close to best competition or racing.
@@isaacm2374 they didn't have DRS. You could say the same about racing without DRS now.
@@cipher-6.66 not about DRS. It's about the number of teams that were competitive and number of different champions. You look at early V8 era. You had Alonso 2006, Raikkonen 2007, Hamilton 2008, Button 2009 and then Vettel 2010. We had the most intense and closest championships in F1 history in those years where it usually went to down to final races and 2-4 drivers can win the championship. That wasn't the case for most of the V10 era. Forget about 2012 where it was perhaps the best season ever in F1. V10 engines may sound, but the V8 era delivered more.
60's V12 F1 engines: "Are you sure about that?"
Agreed. But that Ferrari V12 made a beautiful sound too.
When my father and I first visited an F1 race at the Nürburgring in 2004, the sound of those V10 shocked us immensely. It's hard to describe in words, those things SCREAMED like nothing I had ever heard before. First thing we did when we got back that day was buy some earplugs because my god, you needed those. The V8 engines introduced a few years after still sounded great, but it was already a huge step down from the V10's.
I was at a saturday F1 in 2021 which of course meant qualifying but also the Porsche Supercup and F3 and F2 came by. Luckily I had earplugs, especially for the Porsche Supercup. We didn't need them for the F1 cars. The one time I actually heard a V10 it was a Jordan with a Mugen V10. It was glorious before it went in to the barriers.
I've only heard v8 but I was sitting on the covered grandstand at nürburgring's mainstraight... and my good, the comparison to a fighter jet isn't unreasonable.
The whole ground was shaking lol. It felt like someone used a jackhammer on your breast. I covered my ears the whole time the whole time and it was still unreasonable loud (that surely damaged your eyes - most didn't). I was the happiest guy on that day with a crazy big smile. Just pure power that felt like I am in the engine. That's how f1 should sound like - anyone in a 20km circle should hear when it is f1 time!
Listening to f1 engines through speakers doesn't even come close to how impressive and awesome they sound actually
I remember something similar. Before the first session started i had my earplugs in my hand because i wanted to hear the "unfiltered sound", my uncle who was there pointed out to me that it was silly and i should take his advice to put the plugs in already.... After the first car passed if was putting the plugs in as quickly as possible!!! Damn those V10's where incredible, nothing compared to it (well maybe jets at airshows doing maximum performance AB-takeoff)....
Glorious!
I went to see a race in hungary 2014. F3 and f2 were waaaay to loud. I really needed earplugs, otherwise i would go deaf. F1 on the other hand was still loud, you just didnt need the plugs. I really enjoyed their sound and loudness. I was 14 at the time and might have a little bias, but it was still a great experience.
Any high level motor race requires earplugs. They are all well beyond the threshold of hearing damage if you spend an appreciable amount of time trackside. Even touring cars will damage your ears. I remember being really angry at parents wheeling their babies and toddlers into the Melbourne GP in prams and strollers with no hearing protection on them. What's worse is the cars are so loud, they couldn't even hear their babies screaming...
That sound gives me instand flashbacks to me as a ~10 year old kid sitting in front of the TV together with my dad. Great times!
wish id seen these engines live
Yep. I started following F1 too late.
You still can. There are retro races and stuff. Some cars still get driven
I had the pleasure. The sound was so intense that even with earplugs, being in the front row of the stands kind of made you feel sick.
You don't because today's cars sound like angry sewing machines, so us oldies have this sound memory that is now disappointing when you hear todays cars.... Yes - get off my damn grass while you're there....
You can probably still catch some of these cars in Goodwood, i'm planing to go some day, tho unfortunately it will not be the same as seeing the full grid of cars being driven in anger
It was crazy engineering like this and the sound that got me interested in the sport in the first place. Makes me wonder why I'm still a fan.
The engineering is still crazy its just harder to understand nowadays, or hear...
@@sammerry7706 exactly. i don't know a shit ton, but i am pretty sure the tech and engineering is even better now, being forced to fit more reasonable constraints while still achieving comparable performance. sustainability is not as sexy, but still plenty awesome imo!
@@alveolate wouldnt say better, just different, petroleum has far better energy density than stored electrical energy which is why the cars are so much heavier which is arguably worse but it is a defferent engineering challenge i guess
This is why I’ve switched to watching the Aussie v8’s. They’ve just done away with all the driver assists this season, back to pure v8 cars like the old days.
You are not the first to suggest that from what I've seen that kind of racing is pretty exciting.
I may take you up on this suggestion.
I feel so sorry that newer fans never got to experience this live - Yes, you couldn't hear for a week afterwards but it was worth it
sounds like a dream life
What? I can’t hear you. Lol Schumacher’s car going down the straight at Indy was painful. But glorious.
@@johnschall3013From like 1999-2005 or so visited some F1 races with my father here in Europe. It sounded epic, but I am more than grateful that we were always made to use hearing protection. The sound was still great with protection, just a bit quieter. But holy shit was it loud without protection.
Like us bike lovers missing gp racing v4 2 stroke 500 cc bikes
thanks to my father watching pretty much every single race ever since i know him, i got into F1 at around 2004, when i was just 5 years old. needless to say at the time i wasn't capable of understanding what kind of blessing it was to be able to experience f1 during its peak. sadly never went to an f1 race in my life
I've been to three GP's in this era, 1 in Spa and 2 in Hockenheim. The V10 sound goes through the ground and right through your body. Beholding a GP start then was an absolute assault on the senses. Best F1 engines ever.
I was at Monza in 2003, I was 10 at the time, we had "seats" (actually just standing in the grass) at the straight before the parabolica, I don't remember too much about the race but the sound... oh boy that was completely insane.
You can say you have listened to F1 after have been at Lesmo 1, Lesmo 2, Serraglio, Ascari, Parabolica.
That sound is unbeatable! V10 Formula 1 cars will always be THE SOUND of the sport.
Gotta agree with you on that
that and 787B
100%
This ageing petrolhead is very grateful that she was able to witness Group-B rallying and the F1 V-10 era in person. Both were phenomenal.
Lucky
Unfortunately I never had the opportunity to see Group B live, that would've been truly epic! I've been lucky enough to be showered with gravel from the back of Colin McRae's Focus as he blatted though Keilder a couple of times though. Such an awesome memory. RIP Colin you absolute legend.
U rule
Nice!
@@idbest73Colin was an irresponsible parent that murdered his children.
I was lucky enough to hear them once in 2005. Every time a session started you could hear them from the other side of the circuit and all I could think was that the drivers were brave to be trying to tame these beasts. The hairs on the back of my neck would stand on end.
I’ll never forget in Indy 2003 hearing the V10s for the first time. My God I was speechless. My jaw hit the floor. The kind of sound you can feel in your soul. The only thing that can rival that sound is a fighter jet
I agree ! The only exception is a 1980’s Hawkwind live gig ! Same response to my lower jaw 👍🇬🇧
F1 is still living off the V10 era. Anyone who witnessed it became instantly hooked and we still watch F1 today, get others into it, get our kids into it, all because of this era. There's no way the V6 era or even the V8 era could ever inspire the same kind of passion the V10 cars did.
I remember sitting on the main straight at IMS for the USGP and the sound echoed because the tall grandstands on one side and the garages and more grandstands on the other side. The sound of 20-22 starting the race was GLORIOUS!
I went to all the GPs at Indy. V10's were just unreal then. Idle at 6k rpm is insane...
All around great video. The V10's remain the pinnacle of engine's IMO. Small correction, F1 never had a limit of 17,000 rpm. It's funny how the FIA strayed from V10s because of "cost" as they claim, but the complex power units of today are far more expensive. Unfortunately 3.0L V10s can never be as efficient as the today's hybrid engines.
the fia are prone to lying
The thing I remember most about the reports at the time was that it was about safety and not cost, though Max Moseley liked to use safety as a catch all to force through changes quickly. I could kind of see the reason as those V10 cars could hit 230mph with less run off, though ironically the V8's cornered quicker as the smaller engine allowed for better airflow and more downforce.
Its mostly to kill Ferrari's dominance ;)
And they succeeded, Ferrari never won a champanionship in the Turbo-Hybrid era...
@@AaronShenghao mostly because Ferrari is incompetent most of the time
@@andrewcarter9649 think the big safety concern was catastrophic engine failure, much like in top fuel limitations. Often see it cited that turbos were banned in top fuel to control speed, but is heaps better ways to control that, nitrometh melts turbos like no tomorrow and thats a recipe for taking out multiple cars that some are not flirting with the limits of sensible engineering near as much.
I grew up with F1 in the early 80's and haven't missed a single race since 1984. To this day, the V10 still blows my senses through the roof and Montoya's lap of Monza makes for one hell of a ringtone.
There's some old media that Renault released as a soundtrack and also a long form video on VHS of the factory developing their V10 back in the early 90's, around 1993~94 I believe. My mate had a copy back then but I can't seem to find it ANYWHERE now except for random clips of the intakes inhaling fuel and wailing their guts out but if you can find it, I swear it will blow your head clean off.
A huge piece of F1 died inside when they phased them out for V8's and then finally with the lawnmowers.
I'm with you. Formula 1 died for me with the introduction of the hybrid lawn mower engines, and the final nail in the coffin was the halo. I haven't watched a second of any race since the end of the 2017 season. I'm sure good racing is going on, etc, but I couldn't care less anymore.
If that copy was obtained with out copyright then it is illegal, You must pay the rights and/or fines, and/or destroy the copy. Repent and believe in the gospel of Jesus the Son of God, the Savior of the world.
@@ontherightside2647 LOL. All I know is that it sounded beyond fucking epic when blasted through a home theatre system...
@@ontherightside2647 not sure how god will help with the sound of the engine. still waiting.
i am with you. the sound!
It should also be mentioned that a bigger bore/piston is accompanied by bigger valves. Which equates to more air/fuel flow for the extra rpm
Yes but the piston dosent go down as far as something with a smaller bore and longer stroke, your moving roughly the same amount of air
@@trevg7253 it's the same amount of air displacement wise. In a 3l engine with 100% volumetric efficiency the power output will be almost the same at the same rpm so bore/stroke is a minor factor. The problem is maintaining a high VE at high RPM, and the bigger valves help with that. So your reply to soso1p2011 doesn't really make because you aren't talking about the same things. If you like engines do some research about VE, it's a simple concept that should be explained in 5 minutes in any decent UA-cam video.
@@RunmeerkatAnd you sir proof read your work to check for missing words never mind oversize valves .
When Formula 1 engines revved to 20,000 rpm? Back when times where better
And engines blew up weekly...
@@y_fam_goeglyd And that was brilliant too. Back in a time when engineers were trying to find the limits.
Back when a radio was more than enough to enjoy F1 😂
@@AndyFromBeavertoni am sorry but you dont understand engineering. in f1 you always go for the limit but today you need to complete even more tasks with durability and simulation and when the engine blws up from a design mistake its not an achievement even tho it looks cool
@@y_fam_goeglydwhich made every racing weekend unpredictable because it happened even to the best and all of a sudden and the engineers couldn’t predict many engine blows due to back then missing telemetry data. Good old times, never knowing what was gonna happen 😎
Back in the '60's Honda wanted to see if rpm could outrun the flame speed at very high revs. This CAN happen which then needs more timing advance but if the cylinder plumbing is made correctly the VE will increase as the rpm's come up and not need more timing. I think they hit 24,000 and the flame front was still accelerating with the engine speed.
Lol at that point they are moving into ramjet territory.
Good old Honda. People also like to forget that in the late 80’s early 90’s the big four Jap motorcycle manufacturers (Yamaha, Honda, Kawi, Suzuki) all had 250cc bikes that were capable of revving past 18000-19000rpm
Do you have any links or references to this? I would love to read about something like this. And of course it would be Honda trying it haha.
In a car engine? I can believe it for their bike engines.
@@headlibrarian1996 Honda hired the Donnington track for their 50th Anniversary and they had Mike Hailwood and John Surtees going around the track in Honda F1 cars one a 3 litre and the other a 1.5 litre but the star of the show was a 297 6 cylinder that Mike used to race in the 350 class that used to rev to 18k rpm people gathered around it and then two Honda executives (in suites ) bumped it off and everyone flew away people said you could hear it ten miles away.
But the E class how can you get excited about a 2.5 kw washing machine motor can you?
I'll never forget hearing the sound of the V10s heading out for their 7AM warmup at the 1999 Australian Grand Prix in Melbourne. The Albert Park circuit is near to the centre of the city and the sound traveled for kilometers across the city. Imagine the tranquility of a Sunday morning shattered by up to 20 V10s revving to impossible speeds. Spine tingling and unforgettable.
Did it ever cause windows to break ?? I'd think somewhere windows would ripple and maybe crack if close to the track.....
The way you mentioned shattered tranquility instantly made me think of the Africa Special on Top Gear, where Jeremy uttered a similar line for James May on a very fateful morning.
The engine sounds are the reason Lime Rock never had races on Sunday... the local churches were up in arms about the noise iirc
Early n/a era with manual gearboxes was simply glorious. You could hear the drivers shifting and matching revs. Engine down shifts into corners were epic. True, paddle shifters sounded just as good and resulted in faster times but gone was the driver working the throttle.
even through a TV, the V10s had such a powerful roar that you just instantly knew they were the best of the best
reason V10 sound so good its that the exhaust pulse is in 5/4 time, which is used in spy-esque musics like the mission impossible songs or in jazz. its has more "groove" in it due to the mismatch of the beat number and count number.
V12 is in 6/4 timing, which most people will refer as an extended 4/4 timing and V8 is 4/4. It is very widely used so it doesn't sound as exotic
That's really interesting! I've seen a few videos about V12 exhaust setups and how dramatically they effect sound. For example an Aston Martin and a Zonda have very similar engines and the same firing order but one sounds like a VERY angry tractor and the other one sounds like, well a Zonda.
@@bennyb.1742 there are a lot of things that can affect exhaust sounds in the same engine layout. header length, design, material, crossing, mufflers, cylinder head design and material all changes the sound of an engine
‘Doesn’t sound as exotic’…. I have but one answer to this remark: 1995 Ferrari 412 T2 V12.
I'm a musician and there's no way you can get a 'feel' for or can even determine the time signature at over 10,000 BPM. You might prefer the sound and it might line up with your musical tastes - but that's a coincidence, nor your slow-ass brain with a 15ms thinking latency somehow recognizing the time signature.
How high could they rev with titanium piston return springs?
Aww man... that V10 sound🤤🤤
Like what you did there (the Lewis quote) 👍
The Noise of the V10 together with the smell is unbelievable! The excitement gets you wanting to drive one of those cars forever. I sat in one but never drove one. I did get ear mufflers from the pit guy but i had plugs anyway and i still have the ear mufflers today. Brilliant!
I had the pleasure an absolute privilege of witnessing the V10 beasts on 3 occasions at Albert Park..2002,2003 & (2005)... which was the last year of them.
I have to say I have never heard anything like it...phenomenal is an understatement, the noise they made going through the turn 9 & 10 chicane going up through the gears was mind blowing and deafening.. unreal.
The V10 sound to me is pure Formula 1 racing... nothing comes close.
Just watch Lewis Hamilton reaction at Abu Dhabi when Alonso was showcasing his championship winning Renault R25... his reaction just speaks for itself 💥💥💥💥💥
I was there in 2002 also, didn't go back until 21 years later, there is no comparison.
I actually prefer the V12 sound slightly even though it doesn't rev as high. It just sounds smoother somehow and I like that.
Honestly, i as well, it doesn't have as high a pitch as the v10, but it somehow has multiple tones when revving high which i absolutely love
A absolutely agree
there is a video on the 1991 mclaren being driven at japan. the v12 sounded thunderous
Absolutely, nothing sounded better than the Ferrari 412T V12 1995 Car revving to 17,000rpm
Personally, my all time favourite F1 engine note was the late 70's Ferrari flat 12.
The haunting howl of a V12 does it for me
I was fortunate enough to watch all/most of this starting around 1965. Started going to Sebring in '59 when I was just 5, and even as a kid knew what to listen for. It was wonderful!
Oh the memories, I had a Renault documentary on their V10, at some point they ran the telemetry of an Hockenheim lap (old circuit, trough the forest) with the engine on a dyno, blasted that on my hi-fi Kenwood stereo, sounded almost like the engine was in my living room, so awesome!
That V10 sound is even more glorious when heard in real life than on TV. TV or video can't remotely do it justice. In RL those machines just sound brutally violent and powerful.
I always will remember my first F1 race that I attended live. When the cars flowed out of the pit lane at low RPM for their first qualifying session even this sounded so loud and threatening it nearly blew me away. And when they came screaming down the long straight at full throttle it made all my hairs in the neck stand up. So wonderful!
They killed F1 with this over-regulation for me.
Me too - it doesn't even serve its purpose. Put the current champion in the loosing team's car and they'll still be the losing team. Why bother actually racing if it doesn't determine who is the best driver? they may as well just show us dyno runs instead of races and cut right to the podium.
@@JohnnyWednesday
With out freedom there is no chance for the underdog to innovate - thus like in the current socialist/fascist oligarchy we are in now everything starts to stagnate in favor of the big boys who just want to keep the status quo, i.e. themselves in positions of more and more weatlh and power.
Best engine doesn't give you a win if the aero drags you down to shit, just ask merc how they're doing 😂😂
The tight rules force hugely benefitting (to us) technology to happen..
@@davelowets lol no.
In terms of engine sound, this was the Golden Era for Formula 1. Today's engines sound like lawnmowers by comparison.
0:32 - turbos weren't banned. The displacement was different. Something like 3.5L vs 1.5L Turbo.
7:42 B-but... VTEC just kicked in, yo!
My first and only F1 race in Australia was the last year of the V10 engines, it was also one of the years we still had the super cars (including the Dodge Viper) and the V8 Supercars. My ears were hurting that weekend.
That V10 sound is so so good! It's the sound I think of when I think of F1, even to this day. The 12 sounds really good too. But doesn't quite have that high pitch scream that the V10 has.
The v12 is higher pitched
@@erikcorredor255 No, it’s not. :)
This was an awesome video. My friend got me into F1 in 2012, so I never got to see this live, but man I would give so much to be able to see, and especially hear those machines live!!
I started watching f1 with v10s and Jean todt, Ross brawn, micheal Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello at Ferrari. I miss those cars.
The video opens with the author saying "listen to this", and then proceeds to talk over the engine sounds through the entire 10 minute video.
What a glorious sound, the v10s is pure music to my ears ❤. Wish I saw/heard them live. I was 13 at the time of the v10s era and it's magic hasn't faded since then
I can tell you that it was not only a matter of hearing, it was also a matter of feeling. The earth and the air shook!
The noise makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up at the side of the track. Was lucky enough to have tested V10 and V8 F1 cars.
I was rewatching the 2006 Bahrain Grand Prix, and both commentators said they didn't like the sound of "those new V8's" because it was too loud and not particulary good sounding.
I find it funny because now we would give everything only too have V8's back !
compared to the V10s the V8s did sound boring, shrill but without individual character
with the V10 every engine had a characteristic sound, you could tell which car it was without looking
the BMW was harsh, and sounded like it was tearing apart the gearbox on downshifts, the Renault was singing with its melody telling you what it was doing, the Ferrari was very smooth,....
V8 might have sounded shrill, but they would sound godly if we replaced the V6 vacuum cleaners we have to currently enjoy
@@JohnWiku I also think an Inline-4 Turbo sounds better than a V6 Turbo. I mean just take a look at Super Formula.
@@AbrahamArthemius indeed! A higher revving inline 4 than the current V6 would sound much, much better. It'd give a glimpse of that flatplane V8 sound, even an inline 5 would be amazing!!!
Great video as always.
Just a small collection, the v8 era was limited down to 18,000 rpm, I don’t recall a 17,000 rpm limit.
The Honda RA109E V10 was actually the most powerful V10 in 1989 with a reported 685bhp vs the Renault's 650bhp, and helped Prost and Senna dominate that season. Honda even later produced an even more powerful V12 with 800bhp. It wasn't until Honda's departure in 1992 that Renault produced the best engine that year, with their RS4 V10.
The v10 era was when I started watching F1, and there’s just nothing better than that sound.
"or any number of other metal snapping ways" !!! Love your choice of words. So funny. The brits always have the best sayisms.
that sound is hard coded in my brain as "f1 car" lol
It was the pinnacle of F1 in my opinion driver and engine lead rather than aero the V10s were just so angry sounding it was great
Nobody: Imagine strapping a 250cc 20,000 rpm engine between your legs and giving it 2 wheels.
Honda: Hold my beer....
I miss the days of qualy tires, qualy engines, spare cars and breathtaking sound.
V10 is what got me really into F1. My 1/8th scale r/c car sounded just like them on the straightaway, which made me love both sports even more.
Here's a freeby guys, as I feel like you're missing literally half the video:
Typically torque will drop off as rpms increase, meaning that you can't simply increase the redline and make more power, no matter if the engine can take it, mechanically.
Torque is directly related to how much air and fuel you can fit into the engine during the intake stroke. Combustion efficiency comes into play (derived mainly from how well mixed your air and fuel are, as well as compression ratio, combustion speed and ignition angle).
You can change valve lift, timing and duration to optimize that valve opening window to get as much air as you can through the intake ports, but at 19000rpm, that valve opening window is SO small, that those ports actually become a bottleneck. (theoretically your maximum airflow happens when the airflow reaches the speed of sound, beyond which you get a 'choked flow', where the air travels faster but loses density so your essentially moving basically the same amount of air molecules).
Where I'm getting at is: if torque drops off faster than the rpms can add additional horsepower (HP = torque * rpm / 5252), then this means that revving higher will net you less HP.
Luckily, to not explode your rotating assembly at high rpms, you typically reduce the bore/stroke ratio, meaning you'll get a bigger piston diameter, slowing down your average piston speed during the revolution. This ALSO translates to ***more space to put it bigger valves***.
Basically: as your bore becomes bigger, even if you reduce the stroke to maintain an identical displacement, you benefit from having the possibility to use bigger valves, which will flow more at higher rpms, thus allowing you to maintain the cylinder filling that is critical to maintaining enough torque at high rpms to generate more HP. The draw-back is that huge valves actually flow like crap at low rpms, induce terrible air/fuel mixing, both because you lack air speed through the intake ports at lower rpms. This is a contributing factor as to why high revving engines like motorcycles get such bad efficiency at low rpms compared to typical road car engines.
I'm a man and I'll NEVER forget the v10 sound. Angelic.
by far the best era in f1 history, cars were smaller and lighter and cars sounded absolutely insane
In my mind when I think of F1, I automatically associate the scream of the V10 to my mental image……….I suppose I always will.
This is exactly the reason why the Australian Grand Prix organisers eliminated the Ultimate Speed Comparison. They grew tired of us spectators telling them year after year that the 15 year old two seater Minardi sounded better than the new hybrid engined Formula One cars.
To say more, most of the exhibition runs of F1 cars everywhere use V8 powered cars for the sake of entertainment
I remember going to my first Grand Prix when they had those engines. I can hear them from the main part of the city in Montreal and as they got louder and louder as you got closer and closer to the track by walking then you get there and they turn your beer flat because of the sheer noise and power from them. No joke
There should be higher class named F1 Unlimited
and hold a race two or three times a year...
It would be amazing to see what humans are capable of creating
without any of these rules or pressing schedules.
Imagine the level of innovation and progress.
Cool video, thanks!
Porsche already did it with the 919 EVO
@@danu9838 that aint f1
Imagine the level of death
@@lajsna9936 well yeah but it is was created without rules and go as fast as possible around corners
@@danu9838 and yet an F1 car wiped away its Spa record the very next time they drove there. There is nothing particularly impressive about building something fast with no regulatory or budgetary constraints.
I love how I'm watching this while in a truck that has a red line of 2200 RPM
The comment section here is amazing! So much tech insight to add to the channel. I miss the V12 and V10 era so much, or as I like to call it, the height of the tobacco era. Unlimited budgets and the best drivers the world will ever know. Like so many F1 fans, the engine note of the V10 is imprinted in my mind
f1 engineering is my favorite content. please keep it going scotty!
FIA: Engines were too expensive because of the rare metals.
Also FIA: Turbo, MGUH, MGUK, battery.
I lived about 3 Km from Albert Park at the close of the V10 era. The sound was amazing even from that distance!
Keep fighting Michael 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🐐🐐🐐
I owned a Ferrari TR Fk=lat 12 and a BMW V101 I have a physics background and You Speak the truth!
The grooved tires from that era really bummed me out. I remember even as a teenager being absolutely baffled by the highest level of motorsport running intentionally crap tires.
i always thought they looked really cool as a kid. i didnt know they were purposefully bad.
@@sudazima yeah it was designed to reduce surface area for less grip without making them run really silly looking skinny tires. I'm probably a little older so my mental image as a little kid was the insane, almost wider than tall tires they ran in the 90s
they still do that today. pirelli is purposely making tires that degrade like shit to prevent a scenario with 0 pit stops
@@no1washerezz but at least they look cool?
So did he ever f****** say how much horsepower they put out or did he talk about RPMs and displacement for all that time and never tell us the power
POV you are a kid watching Ferrari vs Renault in 03-04"
MORE PLEASE. this is the best kind of content on your channel.
Another disadvantage to the V-12 engine is that the valves have to be much smaller in diameter than the V-10 valves.
More bearings so higher friction
The demonic wailing of v10 engines and inline 5s are my favorite sounds on the earth, I do love me a flat 6 also ❤
The 20 003 rpm limit rule.
V10 brings back the warm memories of childhood summers where I would wacth this on TV and do nothing :)
As much as V10 era is praised (and it's considered illegal not to praise it), I can't help but feel like they don't really sound like a vehicle to me, more like an annoying siren. Personally, I find 2.4L V8 engines sound much more enjoyable
Sorry, the wail of a V10 is unmatched. Yes, they sound like a siren... the mythical sort. To stand track-side and listen to them row through gears at full song was pure car porn.
That is the sound of F1.
V10 def had a beautiful sound. You could feel it in your bones in a way you don't get from the hybrid 6. I will point out that while a completely difference sound Formula E cars sound awesome, like jet fighters. You get this satisfying Doppler shift sound effect when they shoot by. They just need to be a bit louder.
Want to talk about internal engine stresses. Look into a top fuel dragster. 500 cubic inches (approx 8 L) and produce approx 12,000 HP. run around 9,500 rpms. Turn over only 900 times in a qt of a mile. Must be rebuilt after every run.
Best sound ever created by mankind 🏁🏎️
V10's were the glory days.
It makes you wonder if they were getting a 1,000 hp 20 years ago, how much more power could they get today out of the same block and heads?
I am by no means an engineer but maybe a good comparison would be to look at road cars NA V12/V10 engines from the 90s/early 00s to now for comparison and add 50-100+hp (because of more and more regulations)
F.ex
Ferrari Enzo/McLaren F1
Both 6.0L V12 NA, producing 650hp roughly
110hp / pr L
´´Normally´´ you would get 130hp pr L (GT3, Ferrari 812, Aventador, Zonda etc) all around 130hp pr L. They can push it more, but for regulations and reliability they have to keep it around this area. Some cars are more extreme,150hp pr L (Valkyrie) or 160hp (T.50)
F1 cars with 3.0L V10 could achieve 320hp pr L and the power levels were still rising even though they put restrictions in 2005
We maybe would have seen 400-450hp pr L or more
If there were no regulations and car manufacturers were allowed to continue to improve
If you think the 1.5 turbo engines developed over 1000 HP in 1986 imagine how much power they would get today...
@@vonPelger Yes, they also used rocket fuel
@@vonPelger I think it was well over 1000hp actually. BMW made 1400hp. but yeah either way, crazy
I was lucky enough to have worked with these Mercedes V10s at the track and dyno. They were totally amazing and sounded incredible, unfortunately even though the new V6s are more technologically advanced they are dull in comparison. Just hearing the sound again almost makes the tinnitus worth it!
bring it back, puleeze!
Absolutely!
Love this channel! It’s helped my son and I continue to develop our passion for F1. Thank you
Good old days ,i am aware they wont bring them back or even the v8's but at least give them a few more k's rpm(between 2 or 5) so it wont sound so bad.Even F2 is better than the trash v6h.
They aren't currently limited due to revs, they can rev to 15k in the rules, the issue is the fuel flow of 100kg/hr, that's why they only rev to 12k now.
But in 2026 the MGU-H will be removed which muffles a lot of the sound, so they will be louder in 2026, but probably won't rev any higher either.
@@SkylineBNR34 i know they arent limited by the Fia,its lower for the fuel consumption but still F1 needs more sound & not the s***t show its been since 14,even the 80's v6 had more sound to them.
Wicked video!! Thanks for sharing 🤘🙌🤘
Not a fan of the screeching sound. I'd prefer a big V8 sound wise, but I'm also aware that it is not an acceptable opinion, and that somehow everyone is obligated to idolize this banshee engine sound of the V10
Understandable.
Late V10s and early V8s are my preferred engines sound-wise, but that's mostly because these are the ones I grew up with. I don't even remember the end of the V10 era I was so young, but dad would be watching F1 and I'd be in the living room with him, so it's the sound I'd hear in my early childhood, and early V8 era is when I remember watching F1 the most (2006-2008 in particular, I had to stop for a while after Hungary 2009 with the accident and the slight trauma of almost losing Massa right after being robbed of his title) before coming back full time last year.
Who
Is there a video explaining how the pneumatic valve spring work?
Cutting the cost? Really? How much does an F1 engine cost today? More or less than a v10? F1 has too many rules and regulations, there should be more free areas for teams to explore.
The sound that defined an era, you had to wear some form of ear protection if you were on the start line due to how loud the cars were even when stationary. Now, it's rather boring being in the stands, you can't hear them coming like you could in the V8/V10 era.
I can listen to these all day
I heard this beast on the last season on F1
This was the golden era period
you can feel the sound inside your body when they passed by
even if we go to hydrogen or electric, that v10 is the sound of f1
My family didn't have much money growing up, but I'll always remember my dad taking us to where the race was being held, and holding my up on his shoulders so I could take a peek through the fence for the two seconds a lap the V10s all ripped by. And this was from a man who didn't even particularly care about cars.
With the imminent ban on ICE, its a sad time. The V6 is the longest engine era. Kinda of wished v8 would've made a return in 2026.
Love this channel and these videos!
Hey, just a curious fact for you guys: Masterworks is unethical and harms art.
The new cars CAN rev to 15k despite drivers shfiting at 12k. The reason, which Scott forgot to explain, is that the new engines are fuel flow limited. This means they can only do so much power and after hitting 12k they aren't really going any faster, the parasitic drag starts to eat away the power. The turbo hybrid cars have much better low end torque, so they don't need to scream like old F1 cars. A shame in terms of sound, but that's just how it is. Turbo hybrid engines have about twice the torque of naturally aspirated V10's. it's much easier to lose grip with such engines because they can bite very hard if you overdo the acceleration in tight turns, and they can't really drift being downforce cars. I'm sure the V10 cars are much more raw to drive but these are all extremely powerful tier 1, they will ravage in different ways.
Not to mention the turbo limit of 3.5 bar
Whatever people say about the racing today, the 00s were peak F1 for me. Incredible sound, many manufacturer entries and different engines for almost all teams, different tire makers, and the passes while there were few they were skilled, not just passing by with DRS. I can understand why people may like more F1 now, but the F1 I first saw and loved was a completely different championship.