Deconstructing the Dogma of Progress | with Kruptos
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
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Kruptos is a family man and ex-pastor with a passion for French philosopher Jacques Ellul. We talk about Mass Formation Psychosis, theology, sociology, and I get punked by my kitty.
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Mr. Ben Boyce is doing work that is quietly surpassing the work of his peers. This is very gratifying to me, based on how many supposed intellectuals seemed to condescend him just a few years ago
There is no energy on the left. All the energy is on the right.
Pretty sure the verb condescend does not take an object.
I love what the Boyce of reason is up to
@@minoozolala He simply forgot to add 'to' after 'condescend'.
People like the Boyce of Reason have rendered legacy media hopelessly obsolete. Calm, hours-long, in-depth discussions of complex and controversial issues. And yet people will look down on you for listening to them and consider themselves better-informed for having read a six-inch legacy news article.
I'm here for the cat videos. The conversation is just a bonus
Great questions, Ben, and this guest, Kruptos, may be the best one you’ve had yet. Great work, gentlemen!
Just tuned in and in 10 minutes Kruptos has said so many things I have said over and over for years.
Hurray! Looking forward to more learning about new people and ideas that are new to me also.
That’s my mutual! Excited for this one
He was my mutual too, like 3 incarnations ago. Kept getting the banhammer for basically telling the truth. kruptos is a decent dude.
Just wanted to say how much i appreciate this channel. The range if subjects and knowledge imparted here us fantastic!
The honor is mine, Tradaxta. Glad you appreciate the calmvos!
Bonus points for the Greek κρυπτός
Speaking of Greeks, Ben should have Pericles on next.
Pericles a channel or twitter anon?
11:00 traditional community of thr past didn't mean no choices, it meant that most people had a handful of good choices, rather than an unlimited number of uncertain choices today
Well said, I agree.
And bad choices the chooser blames others for...
A lot of interesting things here, but Ben asking: “isn’t there such a thing as too much rest?”
And the answer ending with “There are other ways of knowing how the world works than the laws of thermodynamics”
…was pretty funny.
we have adopted several strays,, the most enjoyable have been a couple of brothers that love to fight and play and chase. it gives me joy to watch them . please help to reduce the suffering of strays.. always spay or neuter
Engaging conversation. Thanks
I'm so with you Benjamin about what you said about redefining what progress is and/or what dimension in which it should be going, i.e., spiritual development. This doesn't preclude other ways things might improve, but it puts all that in the proper context.
That’s what I’m trying to articulate through these critiques of progress
"A violent revolution is sometimes necessary" this sentence could also come from someone in the trans ideology and sounds exactly like contrapoints new video about apologizing of violence against terfs. But what if I don't want to embrace a violent revolution?
And who decides what is the small evil and what is the greater evil?
Still great calmversation, with a lot of interesting concepts. I am not Christian but I have similar experiences: in beimg in a dialog/meeting with a greater power and being in its presence for some time. Its very calming :)
I also understand that people need living traditions and communities, but I don't think that this takes all your freedom away.
I like this series of moderate Right-Winged guests. I only wish there were more prominent moderate left-winged advocates pushing back against the insanity of the leftist cult. Cancel culture is has people terrified!
Leftists don't push back because they have no enemies to the left. It's a cult of extremists.
I haven't been tracking her closely and don't listen to her show, but it seems like Ana Kasparian has been speaking up against certain left-wing perspectives. She also had a civil conversation with Ben Shapiro (I've watched only bit of it).
@@deborahknox2433 ... Yes, Ana is speaking up against the WOKE / trans activist cult in a couple circumstances. Sadly, it is only because she is finally experiencing precisely what we had all been saying all along. While I find her to be absolutely vile, in the way she relays "news" on TYT, she has had 2 separate debates with Ben Shapiro and for this... she has earned some big respect from me. It is weird saying this, because of what I had just said prior, but indeed... I am of two minds on her. She is of the same mold as the entirety of the cult, but differs in that she has begun to see how there is no point at which they go too far.
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The above being said, she and Cenk are paying for it! Cenk is none too happy about Ana's little awakening, but he created that monster and now he has to sit beside her as her eyes are opening to the evil to which they have been advocating for so long. Actual Justice Warrior has covered YTY, Cenk and Ana many, many times, so if you are curios about any of them, I can VERY HIGHLY recommend Sean's channel. It is my hope that she will continue to speak to those on the right, as she has found out that Ben Shapiro is not some insane, evil right-wing nut-job and that while their politics are LIGHT YEARS apart, he is just like 90% of conservatives and a very decent man.
Leftist thinking cant overcome compassion (it is pathos thinking), and they have more neural conductivity in the right side of the brain. That is really all it boils down too, leftist's don't have as much neural conductivity on the left hemisphere of the brain that is more analytical, logical and linear thinking, they process information emotionally and not with justificationary logic. Most leftist cant think, they respond with emotion. They just don't have the capacity to overcome positive and negative introspect.
You won't get too many left wing people pushing back.
The reason is because then we have to push back all of feminism, LGBT and the entire Civil Rights culture.
They don't want that because they benefit from it. And they participated in the past iteration. They don't want to put on the dress and burn the jeans.
They themselves would have to say sorry.
And I don't know of any leftist who had ever said sorry to anybody except those with white guilt.
The leftists today learned from them in many ways. They saw what they did.
And the bombings from the 70's, BLA, MLK,riots etc.
Benjamin: Carlo Lancelotti discussing Del Noce and Legutko would be a conversation right up your alley.
Can‘t wait for another interesting talk full of new stimulating input to think about.
5:30 -OMG, I love you cat's inquisitive spirit, I've got 3 cats myself and 2 of them are pretty much like that.
Today is my first experience of Krypton; its like witnessing the birth of color tv and listening to the cover over the rabbit hole .
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When reflecting on the mediævil Christian era I think we can easily forget the importance that was placed on the millennium as a limiting factor. As it approach we were more susceptible to fatalism and the idea of fate
It was the passing of the year 1,000 that dismantled faith in the "afterlife".
Once the second coming (as it was commonly conceived of) failed to happen the church became increasingly corrupted by its open ended authority as the shepherd (manager) of people's souls.
This increased the attraction that mammon offered people, and their faith turned to the tree of knowledge and it's fruit (now known as The European Enlightenment).
Christianity created the vocabulary, but failed to deliver the goods as an institution or corporation.
Christianity holds most promise when taken up as a deeply sincere personal conviction (reformation) rather than as an institutions of business administrators and thought police.
Just a thought, but I reckon there's something in there worth considering.
I'm not familiar with Kruptos. Excited.
Very nourishing to listen to this
I have found this theology of praying and meditating to interact with the spirit within a protestant context. I have recently started to study orthodox Christianity but the Protestant tradition is a bit different, eventually, you have run into the mystery of the Lord.
So are we doomed to repeat the build/destroy cycle forever?
It seems abundance is the problem. Idle hands....you know.
If we look back through history I think the answer to your question is yes. Humans will continue to repeat the build / destroy cycle for as long as we exist. It is what we do best.
The average person, when confronted by some pronouncement from physics, something like, a wave is a particle is a particle is wave, will say gee, that's crazy, but hey... they're scientists, I'm sure they're right.
Then hit'em with the Trinity, they go see...I knew Christians were full of it.
At the end, it sounds like he's in an off handed way saying reality is God... interesting
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James is a very well read and spoken man. I think he'd be a great guest for you to talk with. He's working on a new book last I heard and re releasing his old ones under new pen name, as far as I recall.
Kruptos reminds me of what Uncle Ted might have become if he didn’t go off the rails.
Fascinating new guest!
For some reason my brain read that as Father Ted the first time I read it! Which is mad as the creator Graham Linehan has been cancelled for wadng into the trans debate
@@adweenfly6771 Lol 😂
Kurt Vonnegut wrote about a Granfaloon, a group of people who affect a shared identity or purpose, but whose mutual association is meaningless.
Loved this show, fabulous guest. Thank you Benjamin!
Thanks for swinging by the show, glad you enjoyed it!
Thrilled to have another wrong-thinking, uppity Canadian to add to the roster.
加油ボイス様!❤
How about considering looking at this as "other thinking" - not "wrong-thinking"? People who don't agree with us are just other-thinking unless we are so arrogant and uppity that we think in terms of those with differing opinions from us as wrong. Feel free to disagree with my opinion and be other-thinking. {( : > )
Those cats are adorable
Your cat is just too entertaining
I think we should very seriously consider abandoning the left versus right wing dichotomy. I have been beating that drum for years now. That language itself is a significant part of the problem. The reason? I truly believe there are two groups of intellectual heirs in this country: there's the group descended from the American Revolution and the group descended from the French Revolution. And these two revolutions are so fundamentally different in soo many aspects and ideas that they are completely and irredeemably irreconcilable, even though they do share enough superficiality to get confused and treated as one and the same. The whole idea of left/right distinction is the brain child of the French Revolution, and the more you continue to use it, the more you continue to affirm and validate every other half-baked, hyper-rational idea that comes out of that tradition. Drop the left versus right wing terminology. In fact, drop ANYTHING even remotely connected, not to the American, but to the French Revolution, and watch the latter's spiritul fetus abort itself, so to speak, to use a pun with much intention. Until then, without even knowing it, you are given credence and affirmation to the very spirit that you are trying to extirpate. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to understand why that contradiction plays right into the hands of our so-called left.
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What is that swirly white thing to the left (our left) of Benjamin? Is it a swirl of sow milk? Is it a budding lotus flower? It makes me dizzy!
The problem with Christianity is not its "archaic" concept it is people being filled with their own information. Christ's crucified is a stumble to those who are dying
The notion of progress isn't absent the Christian tradition itself. It's not being imposed upon Christianity. We might take issue with what particular ideals of progress is being actualized, but to characterize Christianity as having a static worldview is false.
Your cat is hilarious... I read the introduction regarding the sociologist/philosopher/theosopher-Christian anarchist Ellul and thought this would be brilliant, especially regarding the intersection of modern communication & media technology with the explosive dis-/mis-information/political propaganda & divisionary failures of the 'information age'. Ellul was like a prophet warning about the dangers of AI before AI reaches fulminant potential, except he was concerned with technology and concomitant dehumanisation (Born 1912, died 1994). He was outstanding for his humanism, interesting theosophy which reminded me of Kierkegaard, and was part of a more conservative, solid French intellectual stream standing apart from absurdism/existentialism or much later postmodernism and its foul ideological progeny which now spread their insidious pathogens using the very vehicles Ellul warned us about. So far it's really captivating...
I don't know that I can articulate it, but I'm reading Spengler now and I feel like Kruptos has a misreading of the Faustian spirit. The fundamental world feeling he describes is much more yearning towards the infinite transcendent rather than Mammon
I will also leave this here. He spoke earlier about Kings. The Bible had much to say about that
And the Lord said to Samuel, “Obey the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them. 8 According to all the deeds that they have done, from the day I brought them up out of Egypt even to this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are also doing to you. 9 Now then, obey their voice; only you shall solemnly warn them and show them the ways of the king who shall reign over them.”
Samuel's Warning Against Kings
10 So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking for a king from him. 11 He said, “These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen and to run before his chariots. 12 And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and some to plow his ground and to reap his harvest, and to make his implements of war and the equipment of his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his servants. 15 He will take the tenth of your grain and of your vineyards and give it to his officers and to his servants. 16 He will take your male servants and female servants and the best of your young men[a] and your donkeys, and put them to his work. 17 He will take the tenth of your flocks, and you shall be his slaves. 18 And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”
Wanted to read Kryptos' substack, but the link in the description is dead !
Yeah he went dark for some reason
There were many times in Christian history( and Jewish history) when things did not look well, Christianity was on the ropes many times
Kruptos twitter account and substack have disappeared, where is he ?
JL B.Hood - Psychosis 🎶
Never forget Hegel was a Lutheran.
His dialectic is run by a notion of Holy Spirit, whether implicit or explicit. Where it ends? Nobody knows...
What is kruptos' religious/ecclesiological affiliation?
1:15:18
16:00 see Ed Dutton The Jolly Heretic for more ok this point
"Six days shalt thou labor" ?
spiritual activity praying for people to heal example. you know when you meet God you impact your affected somewhere beyond the intellectual. materialism ideology robs us of this sense
That was a big waste of my short time on this earth
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
@@BenjaminABoyce was jokingly alluding to me being an atheist. Should have used an emoji. No second coming for me…. Ha ha
Bad kitties!
Do not pet them until they are good!
Did I just hear an aboot?
The “o”s are very telling
@@BenjaminABoyce I'm not a bigoted man, with one exception, Canadians. It seems all they want to do is live peaceful maple syrup filled lives. With those kinda of stereotypes who needs hate.
As he mentioned Jacques Ellul, I looked it up. It is an interesting concept, this impact of technology on community development.
However, just by looking at the introduction, I would not read this philosopher for his thoughts because of the definition of "Technique" that he uses. He defines it as "the totality of methods rationally arrived at and having absolute efficiency (for a given stage of development) in every field of human activity. He is talking about stem fields, but these do not apply to every field of human activity as there are fields of human activity that involve subjectivity and not science. Like the entire field of Arts.
The argument that uses this definition would be circular as the definition is self-contradicting. He would be arguing that a definition exists while using the definition in that same argument. For that reason alone, I would not bother reading anything he writes on this topic. It might be useful to train people to spot fallacies and now fallacies develop into insanity, but taught as the truth, only develops insanity unless the fallacy is recognized.
This is why academia is full of the functionally insane.
Can't disagree about insanity in academia, but art versus science is a false dichotomy created by the modern education system. The greatest scientists were also artists, and vice versa. Before industrial specialisation and the atomisation of society, a scientist had to draw or paint their discoveries, and an artist needed to understand the science of their materials, like creating paint. Leonardo da Vinci is the best known example in the West, but I would also recommend the microscope drawings of Robert Hooke.
As for Jacques, if you are reading his work in English, you are getting a second-hand account.
@@liberality
Nope. It's called chemistry. An artist who is not a chemist scan still paint if they purchase paint. That's like saying I am an engineer because I drive. Functional insanity.
@@Teddypally There was no paint available to purchase before chemical factories existed. It is because non-engineers drive cars that we have huge scrap piles of cars that don't work.
Hm, ... The "Christian Realism" sounds like a justification for evil. "My God is the right one and thankfully excuses me of all of this evil, so, ..."
It sounds like a way of avoiding taking responsibility, by shuffling it onto "well, see, it's sin, ..."
We have to learn how to create a peaceful world, in the times of peace. We have to spend the time that we are in peace, learning to navigate the dynamics that leads to war, so that war does not arise. Not just say, "Well, war will come one day, and then God will absolve us of the "sin" of killing our enemies."
THIS is the thing that people want to avoid doing. It's not the participation in war that people avoid, it's the discovery of the making of peace that people avoid. Here, the sinful nature shows its glory: "I am right, I am right by God, so I do not need to do anything, and then if war arises, it's other people's fault." It's not that "the world" is sinful, it's that we are sinful. And we will continue to sin as long as we do not follow Christ's teachings, which it his commandment to us to follow.
Lol, your introduction of your guest decimated him.
Complete semi-pedantic nonsense. Being wrong about just about everything is quite an achievement, though. Really bad on Boyce's part for not pushing back.
I can always count on you to bring the sunshine to my comment section, Karl ☺️
@@BenjaminABoyce LOL, I guess. But keep up the good work (even if you can't win them all, but then again, who can?), I'll still be watching.
Ben, your cats are a selling point. I have cats. People who have cats have something. I don't know what. But they do.