So the exploration of different world views in and of themselves, and allowing individuals to go and research and dive deeper into the topics and ideas on there own is somehow bad because he isn't standing there saying his guest is wrong or out right bad? It's a bit of a cliche at this point but, sunlight being the Best disinfectant, is true. By him showing these ideas the audience to come to their own conclusions. It feels as if I'm merely pointing out the obvious here and yet it seems necessary given your reaction to a pretty mild conversation.
I was homeschooled in the 80s before it was socially accepted. I was actually alienated by many public school kids simply bc I was educated differently from them. Pro-public school proponents had the same stale argument of “socialization” from the beginning. As if public schools existed from the beginning of time lol. Much like those who shut down anyone who’s a free-thinker/outside groupthink, labeling them as “conspiracy theorists”. Ultimately mass formation psychosis is to blame for this. At 46 years old, I have never been more grateful my parents socialized us within our family rather than amongst the masses, guiding us to deeper understanding of God, family, reality & common sense, rather than being programmed. I’m quite certain that the government will see the mass exodus from public schools that is occurring as people wake up, and attempt to make homeschooling illegal again. Praying against that.
As someone else who was homeschooled (in the 90’s), I feel for you. It’s still rather funny to see people who are around my age that are much more socially maladjusted that I ever was from a public school background. I mean, I knew some weird homeschoolers as well, but they seem to have adjusted well in adulthood comparatively.
Here's hoping. I was actually thinking we would see every small neighborhood schools pop up in suburbs and even cities. Just because there are many parents that do not have the option to stay home and educate their kids, sadly. Hopefully the schools in more remote areas can more easily be taken by the parents and teachers that don't want indoctrination.
Been watching Charlemange for a long time. Thanks for having him on. I LOVE that you are interfacing with the Sensible Center crowd. Two other good guests would be Academic Agent and Semiogogue.
Is AA a centrist? I thought AA was a marginally racialist (ironic being that he's Iranian British) self confessed fascist? I don't mean that remotely offensively, just he has a Fascist leader as one of his avatars and seems to be quite authoritarian and Nationalist.
@@realMaverickBuckley Maintaining national sovereignity, being family oriented, not wanting to sexually confuse (and mutiliate) children, etc. sounds very sensible to me. This is the view of most people, therefore, it is also centrist. It is the western liberal regieme wich consumes or inverts everything meaningful that are authoritarian and extreme.
@@realMaverickBuckley the “Sensible Centerist” crowd just wants to be ruled by sane non-evil people. That seems far-right today because there are so few non-evil sane individuals.
@Maverick Buckley better to ask if the center is center. Once we've moved past that little conundrum the rest of the questions become easier to ask and answer.
The Right should be about finding what's essential to a good society and razing everything that impedes the organic development of those 'first things'.
If you are wanting to explore the protestant influences on America and all the denominational differences and interactions of various states, Ryan Turnipseed has been producing great content on it. Charlemagne should be able to get you in touch, or he has his channel on UA-cam and also videos for The Old Glory Club here also.
Capitalism is fine if there is moral restraint. Because Capitalism is not an ideology. The ideology being ascribed to it, is actually materialism and Humanism
Robert , you are right (almost every society , if not all , are capitalistic) . Either capitalistic countries are ethical , or unethical , and to what degree ...
It's always confused me what people mean by capitalism. Surely it's the social acceptance people should be permitted by the state to own something and to prevent others taking it? This includes one's own body. Being a human being requires the individual accepts social norms and mutual ethics, it's not capitalism, it's the human condition that requires this, or the species fails. This is the greatest threat that Critical Deconstructionism poses, Queering is the intentional act of dismantling shared ethical and social norms.
@Andy Jarman it's on purpose. They have purposely confused the dialectic into false dichotomy of socialism vs capitalism. This way half the people support anything labeled "pro capitalism " without questioning the real agenda. Socialism, Communism etc are full vision ideologies, not just economic models, whereas capitalism is just economics
@@robertmacdonaldch5105 ... Well said. What the anti-capitalist is failing to recognize is three-fold. The first is that they lack the education to understand how all other economies work and that there is ALWAYS someone who uses it to gain power / wealth. The fundamental difference between pretty much all of them and capitalism, is the reward for extra or superior effort. The second issue with with they absolutely fail to understand, is that there are 3 things that simply cannot be removed from the equation, because regardless of the system... humans implement / run it: 1. Human error 2. Human ignorance 3. Human malice All of the above exist within 100% of every human who has ever existed, to one degree or another. Capitalism is not what drives a person to purposefully bypass safety regulations to sell an unsafe product, it is the greed within they use to seek an excuse to not incorporate them. We can add as many layers of "oversight" or "product review" and 100% of every person who occupies each one of those positions, has all 3 of those failings. . The final thing they fail to recognize is literally the clothes on their back! The device they are using to create / upload that Tweet. They are fine with the capitalism they use every day of the week, but will denounce the means by which they were achieved. Were it not for capitalism, the world would have NOWHERE NEAR the amount of choices it has to purchase goods / services and every one of them would be VASTLY more expensive and lower quality. I have pointed this out many times to the pro-socialism crowd and always dispenses with any forward momentum that person believed they had gained. . Yes.. there WILL always be those who will lie, cheat and steal to take advantage of another, but with socialism, only a very select few have such power and they will never willingly give it up. The only way to take it from them, is revolution and anyone want to take a guess at what 99% of them do? 🤔
@Benjamin A Boyce Todd Lewis of Praise of Folly channel does great work as Charlemagne says, his recent Why No One Can Win series would be a good entry point for his content.
For Russia, it is not really about building a traditional Empire, they need a warm water port. Which is Crimea. There is zero chance they will ever let it go, it would completely destroy any chance of economic independence. This is why they will try to avoid taking western Ukraine, unless forces to, but would be happy to take Odessa if pushed that far. The Empire Putin wants is more of an economic one whit strong ties to each other, however, if the west does manage to get rid of Putin, we are in trouble as there are other factions that do want a return to the Soviet style empire, or even the old Rus, with all the western fear that went with it.
Right now the best thing Russia can do is see a restoration of the monarchy even if a constitutional one as that seems to have been Russia’s North Star throughout its history and is historically relevant to its culture.
The lack of clarity in attempts to define left and right - particularly by those who claim loyalty to one or the other gives me greater confidence in my hunch that there’s really no real left or right. This thesis might go some way towards explaining the perpetual confusion within both camps - and also the fact that real power doesn’t care at all about the goals of either - only that they remain polarized against each other.
Polarization isn't really a goal. If everyone could be brought onside that would benefit Power. Some people get left behind by the latest innovation which is used to centralise/justify Power. They become the Right, those who demand that Power goes even further become the Left. Ideology is just window dressing.
Charlie could probably have done better on the "free peasant" point. Of course the peasant is effected by political strife and in many ways. There are issues of raids, lack of justice, lodging of soldiers, and so on. However, he is right in that the peasant is not political. That is to say, the peasant is not invested in the political ambitions of one faction or another, he is not inherently a client of one side or another. In being tied to the land, he will just serve whomever is the master of that land. His only care is if his lord is good to him personally (as well as to his family and community) or not. In this sense the peasant is free, in that he is not a client of a political faction and is not invested in anyone's political ambitions. He is invested in the maintenance of the land and the community. In this way, the serf is different from the slave, who is entirely bound to his patron and is completely invested in any political project he might have. Of course, however, he is not free to do as he pleases and must serve his master, much like a slave.
I'm in the UK and I'm baffled at the way Europe is allowing itself to be pushed around by the US. I assume it's just intimidation. No-one wants the US as an enemy. Especially the UK, which everyone seems to despise and blame for everything that's wrong in the world. Very interesting interview, I find myself agreeing with Charlemagne on practically everything. I've 3 Catholic churches with 2 miles of my home, no excuses for me. That's rare in the UK, probably due to high historical immigration from Ireland.
Good evening, Benjamin. I don't know if you'll read this comment, but I was thinking that you might be interested in inviting the co-youtuber Nick Johnson. This guy travels along USA, interviewed many people of all background. He documented some bits on the homeless problem on the West Coast. Je jette l'idée dans le vent.
6 figure factory jobs!? Yeah I don't think that's the norm Charlie. Not unless Uber union and in a high cost of living area. I worked for 12 in factories and never anything close to that
Yeah this is more like tradesman at the peak of their careers. "Unskilled" labor in a factory is not the same. But it's certainly safer than it was back in the day.
While true today, that is due to 5 decades of dedicated effort to deflate wages for most productive jobs. While i doubt that a low skill employee would actually make 6 figures, if the US population of 25% smaller than it current is due to mass migration even that unskilled employee would be making significantly more money.
16:00 left is just another name for progressivism, which is to say a particular ideology, which is to say a particular religion, a religion where you worship this god called Progress that moves history forward into the "end of history", the right is everybody else. what is right wing? all different tribes, specially ones made on familial ties, ex: chinese, egyptians, french, mexican, etc, etc.
Fun note: When Dutch Christian missionaries went to Japan the first time they were attacked physically. By attack I mean killed. They were selling Bibles, Clocks and Guns.
Yes because Portuguese explorers and missionaries and proselytisers had causing violence and disorder in Japan, after the Dutch agreed not to proselytise the became Japans exclusive European trading partner until the US broke isolation
For context on Crimea, it’s former long time majority population the Crimean Tatars were a Turkic, predominantly Muslim people, who’s state “The Crimean Khanate” were a long time vassal state of the ottomans. Long story short, Russia eventually annexed the territory in its totality, and placed it under similar settlement policies to the rest of the Russian steppe, sending in mostly Russians with smaller settlements of Germans, Jews, Ukrainians, and other Eastern European peoples. Unlike most of the near steppe, significant populations of Turkic people remained in Crimea by the time of the Russian Revolution, (appr. 1/3 of Crimea’s population), and after the Soviets came out on top, Crimea was made an ASSR (long story short, a large autonomous zone) within the Russian SFSR, with regions of varying ethnic affiliations, mostly Russian, with Tatar regions in the south, a couple Jewish and German regions in the heartland, and a single Ukrainian region on the northernmost tip. The Famines associated with the Holodomor hit the remainder of the Tatar population particularly hard, and Stalin’s postwar population transfers targeted the remaining parts of the peninsula that still had large populations of Tatars, Jews and Germans, replacing them with Russian Speakers, and subsequently revoking Crimea’s status as an ASSR. After this point the population of Crimea was overwhelmingly Russophone, with a small contingent of Ukrainians on the northern coast (consisting of about 10% of the peninsula’s population for the rest of the Soviet Period). Descendants of the displaced peoples would slowly trickle back over time, but not anywhere close to the old numbers. Kruschev, for reasons that are a matter of debate, had the territory transferred to the Ukrainian SSR, and this was questioned by many Russians, but unchallenged until the dissolution of the USSR. Under Gorbachev’s period of Reform Crimea was given a referendum to restore their ASSR, albeit still under Ukraine, which was overwhelmingly supported. Following the dissolution of the USSR, the Crimean parliament briefly entertained a constitution that would call for an independence referendum, but the Ukrainian parliament threatened them into compliance. After the first series of Ukrainian General Elections in ‘94, Crimea elected a Russophile president, he was deposed in ‘95, and Crimea’s constitution was rewritten and made to be totally In like with the Ukrainian one. Not a Pretty history, as you can see.
Alot to unpack here. I won't even try. Glaring contradictions and an almost adolescent angst. A frustrated soul with no answers but no shortness of trying for sure. His video "No Exit" is really good, as are many of his other videos. Unfortunately, the more we learn about our predicament, the less answers there seems to be.
There are answers, they just are not happy or easy ones. Most people in the same sphere as Charlie has reached understanding that there is no political solution, so they are waiting for the inherent fractures, flaws, and contradictions within the current system to cause it to collapse under its own failure. For example, I know that the current economic system is running on its last legs; there will be a hard reset in the relative near future just because the math says it must.there is no point getting yourself destroyed fighting a system that will destroy itself.
Thorium Nuclear Energy is the answer. One gets a greater return on Energy, than Uranium, and it's also more abundent than Uranium. But one can't weaponise Thorium.
A slight pushback against Charlemagne's assertion that Russia needs oil: Russia is the world's 3rd-largest oil producer, and has current assessments estimate it has enough reserve deposits to last 30-60 years.
I should revisit some of my early childhood attitudes and instincts, for the purpose of recontextualizing them. For example (the example that made me think of this) I was always “grossed out” by the pledge of allegiance, even as an 8 year old.
The pledge was fitting and good back when the country was worth honoring and protecting; that just has not been the case since like the tail end of the 1960s
Charlemagne doesn’t consider US loss of unipolarity as the driver of the Ukrainian conflict. The global south is in the move, hard for Americans to accept that fact.
How does one modify or inculcate a future ecumenical preaching strategy? Given the comments in the books of John (which I find very problematic) that Jesus is "the only way" Or the trinitarian view that Jesus is god, not just a profit of god?
@@stvbrsn Thanks for adding that piece of context. Terrence McKenna seems like a rather low-level thinker on issues deeper than mere psychedelic exploration.
@@DDeCicco oh, I wouldn’t say that… his research into the Voynich manuscript, John Dee and Edward Kelley, Emperor Rudolf II and renaissance Prague in general… and the way he integrated these notions into his other work were quite high-level and worthwhile. And if it seems like there’s an inherent contradiction in those two comments on culture… just remember the alchemical concept that Terence so often brought up in his lectures: Coincidentia oppositirum.
Not chicken processing or warehousing but some production lines are very well paid. The Kraft factory, the Gillette factory, the Hersey’s factory. Anything slightly chemical is paid really well - paint, nat gas, aerosol, acids. Anything oil pays well too. So not all but a lot of factories have a 60k level that rises up to 80 or 90 k. Making over 100 k always involves overtime. Dockworkers are also making a ton of money now.
@@NorthernObserver friend of mine never went to college but is almost a year into a job at an aircraft manufacturer and is making darn good money. Not 6 figure good but certainly as much if not more than tons of people with a college degree.
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen And he doesn't have the debt either, which if you take that into account is probably equivalent in lifestyle to 6 figures in terms of lifestyle and disposable income.
This was a disappointing interview, I'm afraid. Charlemagne does not appear to have any new insights (or even a definite opinion) on political matters, and is woefully misinformed on European politics and energy issues. Leaving this comment for the algorithm.
This guy... is he out of the teens? He seems to read a lot, but not understand that much when it comes to central european history. His take on Ukraine is atrocious - the equivalent of me or some German arguing that the US should let Canada annex it.
Could you explain what he's wrong about? America hoarding oil, green energy alone not being good enough to run a string economy or green energy alone making it harder for economies to grow?
@Maverick Buckley I know you didn't ask me, but he erred when it came to nuclear energy. These more than enough "fuel" to replace fossil fuels I believe.
How is it possible to “protect people from the dangers of capitalism” without more bureaucracy? That is mostly what these bureaucratic agencies are designed to do.
By forcing moral restraint and responsibility on people so that even when they are the big man in the big chair they dont go around as personified evil.
@@soulfuzz368 Only is this shitheap we live in today. In a sane civilization you have those morals imposed on you laterally, from friends and family, those in your life who care about you not just materially and mentally and spiritually as well. Like it or not, your two choices are attempting to topdown force morals (it rarely works out well), or you cultivate a religiosity within your culture that allows peers to keep people from straying off the path.
@@Sevaria there is never and will never be “the path” in a multicultural society, people want different things. That is why the top down always fails and why the religious one always emerges. Thing is the new religious one is fake, ghey and anti-human. I think we mostly agree I was just trying to point out a contradiction I see in these communities. There is a small government libertarian spirit that seems counterproductive to the goals that seem most important to them.
Small government is not nessisarily the same as one that doesn't enforce morals. I think you can have a relatively small government that still has the power to enforce a morality/culture on the people. That said I think a side-ways in forced morality is the best, your complains against it is largely impatience and frustration that the progress towards it is slow and uphill.
@@scrotoschannel6709 because he is not speaking to someone who is in the same political sphere as him, the people on the right have learned from decades of censorship that they can only speak their complete thoughts with their own. Boyce at this point is at best a non-enemy.
@@BenjaminABoyce What does that even mean? There have been religious people, semi-religious people and people against religion like Benjamin Franklin the entire time.
Nobody actually agrees what the left, the right and the centre is. No one agrees what defines them. If someone has a different self positioning than what you would place them, it's because their definitions are different. This is the fault of people constantly redefining things. If we go back to the orginal there is no centre, the left are ''progress above Everything else and regardless of the immidate costs'' and the right is everyone else.
At about 22:58, "left liberal" and "right liberal." By this description, if you support rights for all, including trans ppl, but reject the idea of enforced pronoun recognition, like Twitter censorship for misgendering, you aren't "left"? Or left on other dimensions (economic but not cultural?) Or left libertarian (as in 1A believer or "absolutist" as the snarl word is used as a weapon against Glenn Greenwald, for instance).what about liberal in the classic sense that is largely lumped as "libertarian" today? Maybe I'm not "left" by the standards of many cultural authorities so called leftists today but definitely economically, I'm on the left, but biggest problem and priorities to me are censorship, thought control, surveillance a warmongering US govt/MIC which is supported/enabled by most of Dem and GOP, even more so Dem party. I never voted GOP but Dems are proving worse on the most important issues!! I thought "Christian Right" was the worst, next to far right, racists (a small minority, actually) but, I think what we are seeing is a new political realignment in North America. Call it horseshoe theory but I disagree. Many are coming to their senses across the old political fault lines but many are brainwashed into thinking Trump is the biggest threat when he's merely a symptom of a serious political, cultural and spiritual malaise in US/N. Am.
From listening to a lot of these guys over the years, I'll try to answer since he probably won't. They would say that the phenomena of trans is largely the result of cultural problems such as pornography, the support of it by power centers (academia, activists, media, etc.). Activist teachers talking about how special and colorful and exciting LGBT is, while cis people (especially men) are boring and actually uphold this terrible thing called the patriarchy. My own belief is there are a number of people where transitioning and surgery would be a good therapy for mental issues, but that number is probably extremely small - and that there are a whole lot of people with mental and identity issues that latch onto the trans issue as an answer. The guest saying that a lot of socialism is based on revenge fantasy is extremely pertinent. Transitioning is a good in itself simply because it makes the right generally uncomfortable. (The right is the evil end of the political spectrum, whatever repels them must be good, and making them mad is fun) I would have to ask what you mean by "rights," exactly - but no one wants them locked up for simply wearing a dress. The left activists absolutely do mean institutional enforcement for complying with a trans person's gender identity being a trans "right" that should be respected, for example. We are noticing that a lot of the basic assumptions that were taught to us are not what our elites operate under. Feel free to ask a question. The rest of your post was a bit broad and personal, so I can't really touch on it if it was meant to ask for clarification.
Very refreshing to listen to what is essentially two lucid people having an honest conversation free of vitriol.
Quite good, appreciate the interview style.
The speaker literally told him that he asked some of the hardest questions he could possibly have asked. Did you even listen to the interview?
@@unknownknowable why, does every discussion about politics have to be adversarial?
So the exploration of different world views in and of themselves, and allowing individuals to go and research and dive deeper into the topics and ideas on there own is somehow bad because he isn't standing there saying his guest is wrong or out right bad? It's a bit of a cliche at this point but, sunlight being the Best disinfectant, is true. By him showing these ideas the audience to come to their own conclusions. It feels as if I'm merely pointing out the obvious here and yet it seems necessary given your reaction to a pretty mild conversation.
I was homeschooled in the 80s before it was socially accepted. I was actually alienated by many public school kids simply bc I was educated differently from them. Pro-public school proponents had the same stale argument of “socialization” from the beginning. As if public schools existed from the beginning of time lol. Much like those who shut down anyone who’s a free-thinker/outside groupthink, labeling them as “conspiracy theorists”. Ultimately mass formation psychosis is to blame for this. At 46 years old, I have never been more grateful my parents socialized us within our family rather than amongst the masses, guiding us to deeper understanding of God, family, reality & common sense, rather than being programmed. I’m quite certain that the government will see the mass exodus from public schools that is occurring as people wake up, and attempt to make homeschooling illegal again. Praying against that.
As someone else who was homeschooled (in the 90’s), I feel for you. It’s still rather funny to see people who are around my age that are much more socially maladjusted that I ever was from a public school background. I mean, I knew some weird homeschoolers as well, but they seem to have adjusted well in adulthood comparatively.
Ditto
Here's hoping. I was actually thinking we would see every small neighborhood schools pop up in suburbs and even cities. Just because there are many parents that do not have the option to stay home and educate their kids, sadly. Hopefully the schools in more remote areas can more easily be taken by the parents and teachers that don't want indoctrination.
Amén 🙏🏽
I think when people think Homeschool they imagine a kid at home with their mother all day everyday instead of being around other kids.
Love the fact that you are bring on all of these reactionary you tubers.. keep up the good work Ben.
"Power dressed up like a drag-queen."
Whoop...der it is!!"
Yes. Whenever you see a Rainbow flag don't think Rue Paul; think Davos.
Yes. Nailed it.
@@carolwolf9614 Cheers, me Lady!
Been watching Charlemange for a long time. Thanks for having him on. I LOVE that you are interfacing with the Sensible Center crowd. Two other good guests would be Academic Agent and Semiogogue.
Is AA a centrist? I thought AA was a marginally racialist (ironic being that he's Iranian British) self confessed fascist? I don't mean that remotely offensively, just he has a Fascist leader as one of his avatars and seems to be quite authoritarian and Nationalist.
@@realMaverickBuckley Franco wasn't a fascist.
@@realMaverickBuckley Maintaining national sovereignity, being family oriented, not wanting to sexually confuse (and mutiliate) children, etc. sounds very sensible to me. This is the view of most people, therefore, it is also centrist.
It is the western liberal regieme wich consumes or inverts everything meaningful that are authoritarian and extreme.
@@realMaverickBuckley the “Sensible Centerist” crowd just wants to be ruled by sane non-evil people. That seems far-right today because there are so few non-evil sane individuals.
@Maverick Buckley better to ask if the center is center. Once we've moved past that little conundrum the rest of the questions become easier to ask and answer.
Global commerce and the internet have irreparably changed everything. It's impossible to ever go back to the way things were.
The Right should be about finding what's essential to a good society and razing everything that impedes the organic development of those 'first things'.
If you are wanting to explore the protestant influences on America and all the denominational differences and interactions of various states, Ryan Turnipseed has been producing great content on it. Charlemagne should be able to get you in touch, or he has his channel on UA-cam and also videos for The Old Glory Club here also.
Your cat clips make me wish I could get another cat.
Hours of entertainment watching them slap each other around the face.
This was a great discussion. Thanks, fellas.
Benjamin. Try getting Academic Agent on and discuss his concept of the boomer truth regime.
I love your exploration into the Right
Capitalism is fine if there is moral restraint. Because Capitalism is not an ideology. The ideology being ascribed to it, is actually materialism and Humanism
Robert , you are right (almost every society , if not all , are capitalistic) . Either capitalistic countries are ethical , or unethical , and to what degree ...
It's always confused me what people mean by capitalism.
Surely it's the social acceptance people should be permitted by the state to own something and to prevent others taking it?
This includes one's own body.
Being a human being requires the individual accepts social norms and mutual ethics, it's not capitalism, it's the human condition that requires this, or the species fails.
This is the greatest threat that Critical Deconstructionism poses, Queering is the intentional act of dismantling shared ethical and social norms.
@Andy Jarman it's on purpose. They have purposely confused the dialectic into false dichotomy of socialism vs capitalism. This way half the people support anything labeled "pro capitalism " without questioning the real agenda. Socialism, Communism etc are full vision ideologies, not just economic models, whereas capitalism is just economics
@@robertmacdonaldch5105 ... Well said. What the anti-capitalist is failing to recognize is three-fold. The first is that they lack the education to understand how all other economies work and that there is ALWAYS someone who uses it to gain power / wealth. The fundamental difference between pretty much all of them and capitalism, is the reward for extra or superior effort. The second issue with with they absolutely fail to understand, is that there are 3 things that simply cannot be removed from the equation, because regardless of the system... humans implement / run it:
1. Human error
2. Human ignorance
3. Human malice
All of the above exist within 100% of every human who has ever existed, to one degree or another. Capitalism is not what drives a person to purposefully bypass safety regulations to sell an unsafe product, it is the greed within they use to seek an excuse to not incorporate them. We can add as many layers of "oversight" or "product review" and 100% of every person who occupies each one of those positions, has all 3 of those failings.
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The final thing they fail to recognize is literally the clothes on their back! The device they are using to create / upload that Tweet. They are fine with the capitalism they use every day of the week, but will denounce the means by which they were achieved. Were it not for capitalism, the world would have NOWHERE NEAR the amount of choices it has to purchase goods / services and every one of them would be VASTLY more expensive and lower quality. I have pointed this out many times to the pro-socialism crowd and always dispenses with any forward momentum that person believed they had gained.
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Yes.. there WILL always be those who will lie, cheat and steal to take advantage of another, but with socialism, only a very select few have such power and they will never willingly give it up. The only way to take it from them, is revolution and anyone want to take a guess at what 99% of them do? 🤔
Well stated. I concur…
One of the most interesting episodes you've ever made. Thank you.
@Benjamin A Boyce Todd Lewis of Praise of Folly channel does great work as Charlemagne says, his recent Why No One Can Win series would be a good entry point for his content.
Nice chat. I think Charlemagne needs to study nuclear more. There are viable alternate forms of it. Thorium Reactors come to mind.
okay i can't stop laughing at the cats in the intro. gimme a minute...
Very much enjoyed that.
My goodness, those kitties were having a slap attack!
They must be neoreactionaries committed to the Dark Enlightenment. 😼
Excellent interview, thank you
For Russia, it is not really about building a traditional Empire, they need a warm water port. Which is Crimea. There is zero chance they will ever let it go, it would completely destroy any chance of economic independence. This is why they will try to avoid taking western Ukraine, unless forces to, but would be happy to take Odessa if pushed that far.
The Empire Putin wants is more of an economic one whit strong ties to each other, however, if the west does manage to get rid of Putin, we are in trouble as there are other factions that do want a return to the Soviet style empire, or even the old Rus, with all the western fear that went with it.
Right now the best thing Russia can do is see a restoration of the monarchy even if a constitutional one as that seems to have been Russia’s North Star throughout its history and is historically relevant to its culture.
I like his intellectual consistency.
Great video and conversation Benjamin. Please get James back on to discuss his recent Oxford debate (inc Wokel too if that is possible).
We’ll be live at 1pm pacific!
The lack of clarity in attempts to define left and right - particularly by those who claim loyalty to one or the other gives me greater confidence in my hunch that there’s really no real left or right. This thesis might go some way towards explaining the perpetual confusion within both camps - and also the fact that real power doesn’t care at all about the goals of either - only that they remain polarized against each other.
Polarization isn't really a goal. If everyone could be brought onside that would benefit Power. Some people get left behind by the latest innovation which is used to centralise/justify Power. They become the Right, those who demand that Power goes even further become the Left. Ideology is just window dressing.
Charlie could probably have done better on the "free peasant" point. Of course the peasant is effected by political strife and in many ways. There are issues of raids, lack of justice, lodging of soldiers, and so on. However, he is right in that the peasant is not political. That is to say, the peasant is not invested in the political ambitions of one faction or another, he is not inherently a client of one side or another. In being tied to the land, he will just serve whomever is the master of that land. His only care is if his lord is good to him personally (as well as to his family and community) or not.
In this sense the peasant is free, in that he is not a client of a political faction and is not invested in anyone's political ambitions. He is invested in the maintenance of the land and the community. In this way, the serf is different from the slave, who is entirely bound to his patron and is completely invested in any political project he might have. Of course, however, he is not free to do as he pleases and must serve his master, much like a slave.
Gonna save this for tomorrow's journey ✌
Gonna watch this after the football I think he’s very interesting
The sensible center is the future!
I'm in the UK and I'm baffled at the way Europe is allowing itself to be pushed around by the US. I assume it's just intimidation. No-one wants the US as an enemy. Especially the UK, which everyone seems to despise and blame for everything that's wrong in the world. Very interesting interview, I find myself agreeing with Charlemagne on practically everything. I've 3 Catholic churches with 2 miles of my home, no excuses for me. That's rare in the UK, probably due to high historical immigration from Ireland.
Blaming UK for everything bad in the world is quite a safe bet tbh.
Good evening, Benjamin.
I don't know if you'll read this comment, but I was thinking that you might be interested in inviting the co-youtuber Nick Johnson. This guy travels along USA, interviewed many people of all background. He documented some bits on the homeless problem on the West Coast. Je jette l'idée dans le vent.
6 figure factory jobs!? Yeah I don't think that's the norm Charlie. Not unless Uber union and in a high cost of living area. I worked for 12 in factories and never anything close to that
Yeah this is more like tradesman at the peak of their careers. "Unskilled" labor in a factory is not the same. But it's certainly safer than it was back in the day.
Then you need to see a large CNC factory in operation
While true today, that is due to 5 decades of dedicated effort to deflate wages for most productive jobs. While i doubt that a low skill employee would actually make 6 figures, if the US population of 25% smaller than it current is due to mass migration even that unskilled employee would be making significantly more money.
16:00 left is just another name for progressivism, which is to say a particular ideology, which is to say a particular religion, a religion where you worship this god called Progress that moves history forward into the "end of history", the right is everybody else. what is right wing? all different tribes, specially ones made on familial ties, ex: chinese, egyptians, french, mexican, etc, etc.
Fun note: When Dutch Christian missionaries went to Japan the first time they were attacked physically. By attack I mean killed.
They were selling Bibles, Clocks and Guns.
Yes because Portuguese explorers and missionaries and proselytisers had causing violence and disorder in Japan, after the Dutch agreed not to proselytise the became Japans exclusive European trading partner until the US broke isolation
@2:12:17 Well the Poles marched into Moscow in 1610 during the Time of Troubles.
Great interview
For context on Crimea, it’s former long time majority population the Crimean Tatars were a Turkic, predominantly Muslim people, who’s state “The Crimean Khanate” were a long time vassal state of the ottomans. Long story short, Russia eventually annexed the territory in its totality, and placed it under similar settlement policies to the rest of the Russian steppe, sending in mostly Russians with smaller settlements of Germans, Jews, Ukrainians, and other Eastern European peoples.
Unlike most of the near steppe, significant populations of Turkic people remained in Crimea by the time of the Russian Revolution, (appr. 1/3 of Crimea’s population), and after the Soviets came out on top, Crimea was made an ASSR (long story short, a large autonomous zone) within the Russian SFSR, with regions of varying ethnic affiliations, mostly Russian, with Tatar regions in the south, a couple Jewish and German regions in the heartland, and a single Ukrainian region on the northernmost tip.
The Famines associated with the Holodomor hit the remainder of the Tatar population particularly hard, and Stalin’s postwar population transfers targeted the remaining parts of the peninsula that still had large populations of Tatars, Jews and Germans, replacing them with Russian Speakers, and subsequently revoking Crimea’s status as an ASSR. After this point the population of Crimea was overwhelmingly Russophone, with a small contingent of Ukrainians on the northern coast (consisting of about 10% of the peninsula’s population for the rest of the Soviet Period). Descendants of the displaced peoples would slowly trickle back over time, but not anywhere close to the old numbers.
Kruschev, for reasons that are a matter of debate, had the territory transferred to the Ukrainian SSR, and this was questioned by many Russians, but unchallenged until the dissolution of the USSR.
Under Gorbachev’s period of Reform Crimea was given a referendum to restore their ASSR, albeit still under Ukraine, which was overwhelmingly supported. Following the dissolution of the USSR, the Crimean parliament briefly entertained a constitution that would call for an independence referendum, but the Ukrainian parliament threatened them into compliance. After the first series of Ukrainian General Elections in ‘94, Crimea elected a Russophile president, he was deposed in ‘95, and Crimea’s constitution was rewritten and made to be totally In like with the Ukrainian one.
Not a Pretty history, as you can see.
Alot to unpack here. I won't even try. Glaring contradictions and an almost adolescent angst. A frustrated soul with no answers but no shortness of trying for sure. His video "No Exit" is really good, as are many of his other videos. Unfortunately, the more we learn about our predicament, the less answers there seems to be.
There are answers, they just are not happy or easy ones. Most people in the same sphere as Charlie has reached understanding that there is no political solution, so they are waiting for the inherent fractures, flaws, and contradictions within the current system to cause it to collapse under its own failure.
For example, I know that the current economic system is running on its last legs; there will be a hard reset in the relative near future just because the math says it must.there is no point getting yourself destroyed fighting a system that will destroy itself.
@@Sevaria Good point.
The more closely you look at something the more out of focus it appears.
That cat video was awesome
I need to see @Charlemagne_III 's history reading list. Very astute analysis on the peasant class and the cap/soc hate of them.
AA next!
Thorium Nuclear Energy is the answer. One gets a greater return on Energy, than Uranium, and it's also more abundent than Uranium. But one can't weaponise Thorium.
51:20 progressivism is a christian heresy, it also borrows a lot from alchemy.
Yes, alchemy being explicit in the Hermeticism and Gnosticism that German Idealists like Hegel borrowed.
A slight pushback against Charlemagne's assertion that Russia needs oil: Russia is the world's 3rd-largest oil producer, and has current assessments estimate it has enough reserve deposits to last 30-60 years.
I guess you could argue that Yarvin is a Progressive in the same way that Larry Summers uses it to label himself.
Factory workers in the US do not typically make six figure salaries
I came for the cat fight.
And stayed for the calmversation. 😊
I should revisit some of my early childhood attitudes and instincts, for the purpose of recontextualizing them.
For example (the example that made me think of this) I was always “grossed out” by the pledge of allegiance, even as an 8 year old.
The pledge was fitting and good back when the country was worth honoring and protecting; that just has not been the case since like the tail end of the 1960s
Skating very very close to acknowledging the usefulness of a constitutional monarch to act as a regulating figure that is supra-political.
Except there is always a human “moral” agent behind it. Or immoral. And worse yet, amoral….
Charlemagne doesn’t consider US loss of unipolarity as the driver of the Ukrainian conflict. The global south is in the move, hard for Americans to accept that fact.
When are we going to get Ben and Academic Agent?
I’m making my way toward him
Does he show his face, ever?
@@BenjaminABoyce If you look up his books and then look up his real name you might find some his real-life content on yt.
How does one modify or inculcate a future ecumenical preaching strategy? Given the comments in the books of John (which I find very problematic) that Jesus is "the only way"
Or the trinitarian view that Jesus is god, not just a profit of god?
Dude! Poland captured Moscow!
Catholic means Universal
Yes, but it is universal in a different sense that leftists mean.
It was Nagasaki for many centuries Nagasaki was the only port open to foreign Europeans
"Culture is not your friend" Terrence McKenna
Yeah… but:
“Culture is your operating system”
-also Terence McKenna
@@stvbrsn Thanks for adding that piece of context. Terrence McKenna seems like a rather low-level thinker on issues deeper than mere psychedelic exploration.
@@DDeCicco oh, I wouldn’t say that… his research into the Voynich manuscript, John Dee and Edward Kelley, Emperor Rudolf II and renaissance Prague in general… and the way he integrated these notions into his other work were quite high-level and worthwhile.
And if it seems like there’s an inherent contradiction in those two comments on culture… just remember the alchemical concept that Terence so often brought up in his lectures:
Coincidentia oppositirum.
Cat intro!
The extreme center. Tariq Ali.
Yes clicked liked ….. now to use a dictionary to decipher the title 🙃😳🤪
Some of the most convoluted ideology I've ever heard. Nice conversation though, cool to hear a shout-out for Tod Lewis' Praise of Folly podcast.
Wow Boyce goes to Musk tech guest
Agustín Laje IS a NEO REACTIONARY so is Peterson 🤔
Moldberg is right wing in politics not socially.
He's totally wrong on the energy question.
Charlemagne the god??
Really hope so.
@@Han_Far No, not him
Charlemagne the Based
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen Based God Charles Mayne
No the real one! ;)
People working in factories earn 6 figure salaries, seriously?
Factory workers very rarely earn 100,000 . Very Rarely
Not chicken processing or warehousing but some production lines are very well paid. The Kraft factory, the Gillette factory, the Hersey’s factory. Anything slightly chemical is paid really well - paint, nat gas, aerosol, acids. Anything oil pays well too. So not all but a lot of factories have a 60k level that rises up to 80 or 90 k. Making over 100 k always involves overtime. Dockworkers are also making a ton of money now.
@@NorthernObserver friend of mine never went to college but is almost a year into a job at an aircraft manufacturer and is making darn good money. Not 6 figure good but certainly as much if not more than tons of people with a college degree.
I'm making the most money I ever have, and it as a job that does not require a college degree.
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen And he doesn't have the debt either, which if you take that into account is probably equivalent in lifestyle to 6 figures in terms of lifestyle and disposable income.
This was a disappointing interview, I'm afraid. Charlemagne does not appear to have any new insights (or even a definite opinion) on political matters, and is woefully misinformed on European politics and energy issues. Leaving this comment for the algorithm.
Can you give an example?
Malthusian thinking and uranium equated to nuclear fuel.
Justinian
Reformation is way late in the game
This guy... is he out of the teens?
He seems to read a lot, but not understand that much when it comes to central european history. His take on Ukraine is atrocious - the equivalent of me or some German arguing that the US should let Canada annex it.
21:30 Liberal: member of a religion that worships Liberty, goddess of freedom.
I worked in a factory and lololol to making six figure salaries working on an assembly line. ffs. Who is this guy?
10 minutes in, fcepalming so hard. Gray Mirror chapters 4 & 5 anyone? Based Ruskin? Moldbug is dead. Yarvin is clearly not Progressive.
He's pretty wrong about energy.
Could you explain what he's wrong about? America hoarding oil, green energy alone not being good enough to run a string economy or green energy alone making it harder for economies to grow?
@Maverick Buckley I know you didn't ask me, but he erred when it came to nuclear energy. These more than enough "fuel" to replace fossil fuels I believe.
@@benaiahwright937 i don't catch that.
How is it possible to “protect people from the dangers of capitalism” without more bureaucracy? That is mostly what these bureaucratic agencies are designed to do.
By forcing moral restraint and responsibility on people so that even when they are the big man in the big chair they dont go around as personified evil.
@@Sevaria exactly, and those who are in charge of organizing and enforcing this responsibility are bureaucrats.
@@soulfuzz368 Only is this shitheap we live in today. In a sane civilization you have those morals imposed on you laterally, from friends and family, those in your life who care about you not just materially and mentally and spiritually as well.
Like it or not, your two choices are attempting to topdown force morals (it rarely works out well), or you cultivate a religiosity within your culture that allows peers to keep people from straying off the path.
@@Sevaria there is never and will never be “the path” in a multicultural society, people want different things. That is why the top down always fails and why the religious one always emerges. Thing is the new religious one is fake, ghey and anti-human.
I think we mostly agree I was just trying to point out a contradiction I see in these communities. There is a small government libertarian spirit that seems counterproductive to the goals that seem most important to them.
Small government is not nessisarily the same as one that doesn't enforce morals.
I think you can have a relatively small government that still has the power to enforce a morality/culture on the people.
That said I think a side-ways in forced morality is the best, your complains against it is largely impatience and frustration that the progress towards it is slow and uphill.
I disagree 100% with his comment on nuclear energy.
This guy does not seem aware , why are we listening to him ?
Aware of what?
@@NerdlySquared He is very vague
@@scrotoschannel6709 because he is not speaking to someone who is in the same political sphere as him, the people on the right have learned from decades of censorship that they can only speak their complete thoughts with their own. Boyce at this point is at best a non-enemy.
@@Sevaria Yeah you are right, I would be seen as crazy if I were on this show.
Well you seem to have listened long enough.
America is not a nation of any one religion. My goodness!
And yet America has always been a religious nation.
@@BenjaminABoyce What does that even mean? There have been religious people, semi-religious people and people against religion like Benjamin Franklin the entire time.
Some good ideas but mostly lame reactionary nonsense. Least cool faction of the right.
What in your view is the coolest faction on the right?
Charlie is so vague.
He sounds young. Still a work in progress.
I wish people would actually get the definitions of atheism and agnosticism right.... drives me insane.
Why won't centrists openly admit that they are rightwingers?
Nobody actually agrees what the left, the right and the centre is. No one agrees what defines them.
If someone has a different self positioning than what you would place them, it's because their definitions are different.
This is the fault of people constantly redefining things. If we go back to the orginal there is no centre, the left are ''progress above Everything else and regardless of the immidate costs'' and the right is everyone else.
with that pfp your take on anything is guaranteed to be low IQ
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If Yarvin or this guy ever want to see their future come into being better learn how to speak normal.
Neanderthals have trouble with Homo sapiens version of “literacy.”
At about 22:58, "left liberal" and "right liberal." By this description, if you support rights for all, including trans ppl, but reject the idea of enforced pronoun recognition, like Twitter censorship for misgendering, you aren't "left"? Or left on other dimensions (economic but not cultural?) Or left libertarian (as in 1A believer or "absolutist" as the snarl word is used as a weapon against Glenn Greenwald, for instance).what about liberal in the classic sense that is largely lumped as "libertarian" today? Maybe I'm not "left" by the standards of many cultural authorities so called leftists today but definitely economically, I'm on the left, but biggest problem and priorities to me are censorship, thought control, surveillance a warmongering US govt/MIC which is supported/enabled by most of Dem and GOP, even more so Dem party. I never voted GOP but Dems are proving worse on the most important issues!! I thought "Christian Right" was the worst, next to far right, racists (a small minority, actually) but, I think what we are seeing is a new political realignment in North America. Call it horseshoe theory but I disagree. Many are coming to their senses across the old political fault lines but many are brainwashed into thinking Trump is the biggest threat when he's merely a symptom of a serious political, cultural and spiritual malaise in US/N. Am.
From listening to a lot of these guys over the years, I'll try to answer since he probably won't. They would say that the phenomena of trans is largely the result of cultural problems such as pornography, the support of it by power centers (academia, activists, media, etc.). Activist teachers talking about how special and colorful and exciting LGBT is, while cis people (especially men) are boring and actually uphold this terrible thing called the patriarchy. My own belief is there are a number of people where transitioning and surgery would be a good therapy for mental issues, but that number is probably extremely small - and that there are a whole lot of people with mental and identity issues that latch onto the trans issue as an answer. The guest saying that a lot of socialism is based on revenge fantasy is extremely pertinent. Transitioning is a good in itself simply because it makes the right generally uncomfortable. (The right is the evil end of the political spectrum, whatever repels them must be good, and making them mad is fun) I would have to ask what you mean by "rights," exactly - but no one wants them locked up for simply wearing a dress. The left activists absolutely do mean institutional enforcement for complying with a trans person's gender identity being a trans "right" that should be respected, for example. We are noticing that a lot of the basic assumptions that were taught to us are not what our elites operate under. Feel free to ask a question. The rest of your post was a bit broad and personal, so I can't really touch on it if it was meant to ask for clarification.
@@mattyice852 If killing random people makes the right uncomfortable, is it then good? What an absurd thing to say.
@@moviereviews1446 I was explaining the thought process of a deranged leftist in my explaination. Yeah, I don't agree with that statement.