Rubberized Undercoating Will Destroy Your Car!
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2018
- In this video we have a look at a Chevrolet Silverado that has had the Ziebart undercoating sprayed on it every year since it was new. In our experience here in the salt belt this type of rubberized undercoating WILL DESTROY your vehicle. Unfortunately this vehicle will not make it past ten years old before the frame is completely rotted in half, despite the customer doing what he thought was right. Be sure to do your research folks before applying any type of "coating" under your vehicle.
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I try to speak really clear and slow in the video however that does not seem to be to effective so I will write it out here as slow as I can type so you can follow along:
A: This was not a DIY at home job after the truck was already rusted. This truck was sprayed by Ziebart here in NY the day it was purchased NEW before the customer took delivery of the vehicle. I have the receipts to prove it.
B: Every year after the original date of purchase it was taking in to Ziebart to have the coating "reapplied" per their recommendation to "keep the warranty."
C: This shit will destroy your car no matter how much "surface prep" you do. I have been working in the salt belt as a mechanic for over 25 years. This stuff that Ziebart sprays on is complete shit and will 100% destroy your vehicle at an accelerated rate.
D: Use Fluid Film, Krown, NOHC, surface shield or some other for of "oil undercoating" if you live in the rust belt and want your car to last more than 11 years
E: You have a nice day 👍🏼
I heard you the first time! lol, good work. Nice channel
i have an idea, stop using salt on the roads.
Wow. This is the first I've ever heard of this .
@@Cara.314 Tell that to the Frost Giants. If they stop pissing snow on the roads, we will stop throwing down salt.
Spot on and absolutely correct.
Old Landrovers have a nice self-oiling chassis system, it'll even oil your driveway for you.
No oil under it, no oil in it. Same goes for Fords and Vauxhalls
Lol a friend of mine had a honda with a self changing oil system.
And the Land rovers oil system doesn't glue your wiring harnesses together. Win-win.
My bmw does the same
Hey, must be chevy trying to add luxury features but my old suburban does a great job keeping its undercarriage and the driveway well coated.
We all know one great rust proofing method just have a huge oil leak..
Fix oil leak for inspection and enjoy your rusty engine block a year later. So frustrating every time...
And it seals your driveway......lol
We have an old 98 freightliner FL70 with an 8.3 Cummins that leaks oil bad. No rust on the frame at all it undercoats itself while driving down the road. Only rust from the salt is on the side mounted fuel tanks under the doors and the top part of the steel deck.
I have a 99 Dodge Cummins with the corrosion protection feature too.
We my Honda Civic is golden then. Check the fuel and fill the oil.
I got some rust in my eyes from watching this video Lol
I instinctively squinted when the rust started flying
@18matts: OUCH!
Do you know the way?
Driveway mechanics laying under their classic car unbolting things will instantly recognize this feeling. 😅
@@RustOnWheels Or a 1/8inch thick layer of leaking oil and dirt falling everywhere lol
bad rear main seal and a bad rear end pinion seal are the best under coating you can get.
lol, just take your used motor oil and put it in a pressure sprayer and coat the underside of your car with it
Hey thats not a bad idea.
@@evilwoodchuck My uncle used to do exactly that. Said it was a pretty standard service for mechanic shops in the 1950s.
My Jaguar was "factory designed" to have automatic undercarriage rust preventative treatment. About a liter every 2000 miles.
I owned a 1995 s320 with a bad rear main seal and not one bit of rust under the car
My grandfather owned a ziebart from the 60s to the early 90s. They switched material and thought no one would notice. The original is an oil based self healing material. One application lasts the life of the vehicle. I restore cars in wisconsin and I can definitely tell if a car from here was ziebarted from New. It won't flake off EVER and the steel underneath is like brand new. They used to have a rust out guarantee of 10 years if I remember correctly. Also paid to repair it if it did rust. This is why he got out. Because of what your showing now.
@jonbrockman5308, I remember the original Ziebart. It would leak from the car for weeks, especially on hot summer days. It was pliable and would flow, not like this crap in the video.
@@Dixler683 still have a few drums of the original stuff. Gonna use it on a few restorations possibly.
Is there any info about the original composition left? And was it applied "as is" (room temperature) or some heated? I know one military-purposed composition for equipment conservation for decades (something like cannon fat) and it`s pretty bushy and needs to be slightly warmed to be applied. In cold seasons (after application) it doesn`t harden like rubberrized coat or mastic and remains on the metal surface without the formation of air bags for moisture. In first hot season after application it could have been dripping from under the car for week or two.
I literally just got a quote from ziebarts 2 hours ago. This video just saved my truck.
Get it done anyways 😜 it might work out pleasantly for u.
if the job is done by professional you will not have those issues they will take care of the rust first and not spray cables , brake lines etc , if you do a shitty job then yes water can get inside just like any other kind of coating or paint
ZIEBART DEALER
You’re probably the most informative mechanic I’ve seen on here. There are other good ones who sold out more to sponsors but you have maintained your legitimacy. Thank You!!!!
I've been trusting Scotty Kilmer and he recommended RUST BULLET but he's from Texas and doesn't know a damn thing about road salt. Argh.
@@curiousnomadic
Scotty has some helpful information, however he has sold out to the click bait algorithm, the more the days go by the more I see him flying off his rocker like Uncle Tony's garage has been doin.
Opinionated, but not factually accurate.
@@jaredpaulsen3 He does clickbait like crazy. It's annoying.
@@curiousnomadic
The clickbaiting has become disgraceful.
Scotty used to be worth listening to but now I just question if he's saying something for cash.
55,000 looks like 400,000
my Michigan driven f250 has 400k and looks better than this
david mcknight my 16 year old 160k mile mistubushi looks 10/10 better.... only surface rust on some rock guards, and the rest has plastic coverings
Its looks like its been in Atlantic ocean for thirty years.
The bigger reason that GM and Chrysler have major corrosion issues is due to reduced costs in metal plating processes at the factory. Nothing is cadmium played anymore and hex chrome has been eliminated on anything 2010 and newer due to environmental and cost. Same problem in the aerospace industry. New Cessna 172’s have major corrosion issues in the tail section after just a few years. Yet a chromated tail section from a 1955 Cessna 172 still looks brand new today. Build it cheap....build it fast....sell it at a high price....shorter service life. My 2007 Lexus chassis (all hex chrome and cad plated parts) has minimal rust and I live in the Midwest where we have nuclear road salt. This year I will give fluid film a try.
My 03 Silveraydoe 210k miles looks better than this. Jesus
Hate rust? Buy any jeep with the 4.0 they come with anti rust lubricants straight from the valve cover, rear main, and oil filter elbow
the differentials also stay pretty rust free because of the pinion seals
oh a bit like land rovers, known for getting the sump gaskets redone before the new owner had even picked the thing up
My 94 f150 has the 300 six. All the same oil leaks and then some... not a single stuck bolt on the back half of the engine lol
I see what u did there. 👍
I think mine was broken, it didn't leak from any those spots...
We need more people like u. You are not afraid to expose and complaint about this type of issue. I appreciate very much your info.
I am so glad I decided to do some research, when I was wanting to protect my Florida-bought vehicle from rust belt problems. That research led me to videos such as this, and led me to get that car treated with Krown rather than a rubberized coating.
Thank you! I live in MICHIGAN and bought a vehicle from Tennessee and was wondering which is best to use for this.
@@LaNoire27 I think fluid film coatings are the best thing ever.
Any oil coating will work,as it leaves a layer on the metal preventing oxidization ...lanolin or petroleum doesn't matter. Make sure it's liquid enough to creep into all crevices .
Glad I saw this, I’ll be canceling my under coating at Ziebart
Oil base is the best one , not rubber
So, did you catch it before you had any coatings? If you already have 1 it's too late.
I have a car the had Ziebart applied to the underside in 1979, it it mint under there! If you scratch it back the paint is as good as new. The engine bay is perfect, no welding. The only rust I have is the areas not covered in ziebart.
@@ollie2244 I'm sure it works very well in Arizona 🙄
Ziebart is horrible in the rust belt, as evidenced in this video. Plus, you're not getting the same quality materials, as were common in 1979. Engineering has come a long way since then, but so has ''value engineering''.
@@debtminer4976 I'm from the UK, it rains every other day here, and in the winter they throw salt everywhere, that said you're absolutely right, Ziebart probably used a far more toxic formula void of regulations back in the 70's which made it better and more durable than the modern stuff. No doubt the steel was better too! I'm not saying all steel comes from China now, but it all comes from China..."they don't build 'em like they used to".
I always intended to buy a few cans and apply rubberized undercoating... Glad I was too lazy to get around to it!
Laziness is rather productive when you consider the avoided re-doing of stuff.
I'd fist bump you, but...ehh...
Engine oil cut with diesel and a dirt or gravel road is all you need.
@@apersonontheinternet8006 Project farm tested engine oil and diesel as a rust preventative product. Its results are very un-inspiring and pretty much as good as doing nothing.
@@explosivemallard8038 a big jug of professional stuff(FluidFilm) is only like 50 bucks and it'll last you years. Ain't worth fuckin around with engine oil.
Same here! 😂🤣
I searched for how to apply this. Instead, I found this video and you saved me. Thank you so much.
The same happened to me today😂 Legend
THANK YOU for showing this. I can't believe how many people they get to fall for this.
I believe the problem is improper prepping before application. Most of these are probably just lifted and sprayed
You, my friend, just changed my life.
Kinda satisfying watching you peel off that rubber and see what's under it. Looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen, that really sucks your friend paid for that rubber coat service and it destroyed his truck. Thanks for the heads up bro!
The rust destroyed the truck though
Tampatec You are the type, that if you lost 6 eyelashes in a store, you would sue. Loser.
Lawyer fee$ co$t more than that truck.
@@1968zz4350 What a dumb analogy. There is no comparison. So with your logic... people typically go into a store to prevent their eyelashes from falling out? Idiot. The undercoating is bought FOR the purpose of preventing rust when in fact it does the exact opposite... it promotes rust and seeking damages in this case should be sought by the buyer.
I genuinely cannot understand the people attacking this comment. People making it out like there is some frivolous lawsuit epidemic. Cases like this are literally the reason why the civil judicial system exists.
If you bought a product from a store, that claimed to meet or exceed all US regulations, you brought that product home, and it did not work, would you not try and return it? What if the store told you "tough shit"? What if they had a sign outside that outlined their return policy, which was conveniently missing when you returned? What if instead of simply not working, the product had an adverse affect on your health? Your safety? Are you telling me you'd lie down and take it? If the product caused your home to burn to the ground, would you be satisfied with a simple refund? Would you not even try to recoup the value of your destroyed property?
The simple fact is, this person purchased a product that not only did not work as advertised, but also caused damage to this person's property, to which the product was applied.
I'm so glad I watched this video. I just purchased a 2018 GMC from MI and I live in MN. I was going to have it undercoated in the next week. You just saved my you know what!!! Now I have to find your video on Fluid film.
I have a 1974 Porsche 914 that was Zeibart coated when new. Much of the coating held up, but not everywhere. Overall it saved the car from a lot of rust. But mainly in areas where the metal was able to be coated on both sides.
The issue is that you’re taking a chance
I have a 944 you are mostly correct that it saves the under neath I'm having the opposite issue My car is rotting out from the inside lol
Perhaps Porsche uses a better grade of metal?
@@KrolKaz I wonder if it was 1974 that used a better grade of metal.
I"m shocked that Ziebart is still around. As a kid I remember seeing a lot of cars that were rusted to heck but had a Ziebart sticker on it.
Ziebart was all over Detroit in the 1970s. IIRC, they offered a no rust warranty. If their stuff is 90% useless due to improper application procedures, why haven't the warranty claim ate them up financially? How they still exist is beyond me. "It's us or rust" used to be their slogan. Guess they should have said "It's us FOR rust". :)
ziebart does a good job i have seen many cars after a long term in the salt the cars always hold up well
It's most likely the *used* to do a good job, then went to cost saving methods as seen here, which involves just lazily spraying everything. You are *not* supposed to spray electrical connectors, those are made of plastic, will not rust and now it can't be maintained, lol @@scottkemp1460
I believe they offer a non rubberized/tar coating as well. My Tacoma has the Zeibart plugs, but it appears to have an oil spray instead. I wouldn't touch a vehicle with that tar/rubberized type coating.
That is horrendous, and potentially deceitful. I'd be inclined to think the only reason they want you to re-apply every year is to ensure the damage remains hidden.
I believe it is because they make another sale every year. more money for them, thats why they are in business .
Probably the idea Originally had been to Seal any possible holes of the coating after thorought checktrough of them and proper cleaning of them etc... give it 50 years of cost saving and trying to be more efficient... and here we are
@TheOtherWhiteBread0 corrosion of metal requires oxygen, how do you prevent it? ,)
wow! caught this video at the last second. Still got my receipts. Thank You again. AGAIN
Eric you are as professional as they come . Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise in a very humble way. keep the videos coming please .
it didn't destroy his truck! Ziebart has been in business for 65 years. if they were destroying trucks they would have died a long time age.
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Thanks for the info - I would have never thought of the consequences of rubberized coatings.
This is an eye opening content. I am about to go for under coating b4 watching this, but now i will not waste my hard earned money for this thing. Thank you for this info.
Dang, owner of that truck is probably still making monthly payments on it.
ICU2 he'll probably still be paying it off when it's sitting in the salvage yard next year
😂
This is actually extremely common in the rust belt. It’s very sad. I live in Vermont, close to upstate ny. The rust is just as bad. Trucks these days don’t make it to see a decade before the rocker panels are rotted out and hanging down and the wheel wells are bubbling and perforated with rust. My 2013 Chevy frame looks like it’s been submerged in the ocean. Rust and flaking paint front to back on the frame. Body is okay though... for now. I suspect I’ll still be making payments on it when the body starts to rust out. And when it’s paid off I’ll be left with a pile of junk I can’t sell for a couple grand. I see trucks on a daily basis that are 2009 or 2010 model year that are so rusty they’ll see the crusher by this time next year. My 09 ford had about had it before I bought my Chevy. The cab corners were pretty bad and the rockers were totally gone. Next truck will be likely be some 90’s-2000’s cheap thing from down south. Way better of then spending another 20k on a half rotted truck.
I can't believe that 2013 car is rust. My friend has 1993 Acura, and he is living in Maryland. His car is fine. I think the dealership or manufacture did not put anti-rust or coat before selling cars.
He can stop paying and tell them to keep it lol 😂
The best rust protection method i know so far is 1. removing carefully all rust with different steelbrushes, 2. apply brunox with a brush (rust converter + epoxy primer, very expensive but it works very well) 3. spray ropefat, repeat after 2-3 years. It works for me in central europe where they have to put ridiculous amounts of salt/chemicals on the roads through the winter time.
Wtf is ropefat
@@anotherdrunkaspiringwriter epoxy coating paint
So glad I stumbled upon this video. I was going to have LINE-X applied to my new 4Runner since I live in Ohio (salty winter roads). You saved me $400 for the application and the likely premature destruction of my new vehicle. Thank-you.
Do a krown oil spray, works great. They drill and spray rocker panels on the inside as well to make sure everything is coated in oil. My truck is 8years old lives outside 24/7 and driven in the Ontario Salt mine roads..😂 but no rust to be seen on the underside.
I ended-up w/ DIY Fluid Film application. Not as good as what you describe, but certainly better than nothing at all.@@DL101ca
Wow, man. This is eye opening. I planned on under coating myself for this season coming up
Hey... I live in California and I finally found something good about California... our cars don’t rot like those on the east coast. But that’s pretty much about all I can come up with.
True but the sun tends to damage paint more in the west coast
East coast? You mean the mid West right? No salt around here in North Carolina.
living in California which is controlled by democrats... you have paid so much more in taxes.. other states ... you could have afforded to purchase another vehicle. and still have your freedoms still intact. Never vote democrat and live free from their tyranny
@@markochipsmarkochips3866 lol im in california and im as free as a bird.... funny thing is more things are outlawed in conservative states like weed
Same with AZ. Still no reason to live in CA 😋
The truck was fine until you rusted it with your screwdriver!
that bad air!
@@MrZucchinii I was thinking the same thing.
Yah it’s not your truck should’ve never started scraping all over his truck bad for business buddy
Kidding?
I sure that's what the company would say
the total disregard for spraying serviceable components on the underside is absolutely criminal
Thanks sir liked your presentation no gimmicks no silly jokes only straight to the point. Thanks for the important information
FYI that stuff can be effective IF you are coating a panel that has been primed, painted and is 100% clean and dry. And has no rust. Which means it worthless for the types of applications Ziebart is using it on.
Great video! I have watched many of your videos, they are both informative and entertaining, one thing stands out (apart from your mechanical brilliance and amazing good looks!) is the complete abscense of curse words, it makes your videos so much more enjoyable! Thanks.
Obviously Eddie has a very limited knowledge of the English language! Oh so dumb. oh so tragically dumb be he!
Thank-you for making this video. I always planned on getting a rubberized coating under my truck but I kept putting it off.
This vid saved my truck haha
You are 100% accurate with this type of coatings. Have a nice day!
Great video never thought of "rust proofing" my truck since I live in Texas but I'm glad I watched this video
I would say if anyone absolutely wants to rhino line the frame then take the cab and everything but the wheels off before they do.
I think the only way to prevent rust on your vehicle is to get a horse....
@@slateslavens But then you would have to deal with colic! :)
Outstanding video Sir. People heed the warning. Never use any spray on undercoating. I use fluid film inside my rockers/doors/fenders. I use LPS 3 on frame/undercarriage/brake lines. My 2010 looks factory fresh living up in Vermont.
Thanks for posting this. In Europe we tend to call this kind of stuff, that goes hard, ‘Shutz’ and the rust always rots steel underneath it. I spray a waxy stuff on all my trucks when new and it seals the paint for a good while. At around five years of age it benefits from a good clean and reapplication where obviously needed but otherwise a spray of clean engine oil does the job.
Thanks for this. A real eye opener. Saved my car from a potential nightmare!
I should have Ziebarted my ex-wifes truck. Hind sights always 20-20!
oh, that's funny
NICE!
Will keep in mind, a Ziebart gift certificate is a great gift for your enemies in the salt belt
#chessnotcheckers
Stuart, I should of just ziebarted my ex-wife.
I am so glad I seen this video! Thank you for helping me save my truck cause I was thinking on having it done theres no way in hell now!!!
As always, Eric give us the facts. Thanks for the share.
I made a big mistake putting the Z undercoating on my 2014 silverado. Fortunately I got it off, it mostly fell off, using a needle scaler, scrapers etc. It was a rusty mess underneath. Cleaned it all off and used rustoleum rust reformer and black spray paint. I was the damage was minimal. I have used fluid film inside the frame box and now CRC Marine coating is my new favorite. So don't do the Z coating you will regret it. I agree 👍. Joe
For record my brother in law had a 1969 pontiac grand prix. It was so clean . He decided to rubber undercoat frame trying to save any corrosion over time. An appraiser told him he devalued the car because they cldnt see what was under the coating on frame . Hard lesson learned figured I'd share this experience
The appraiser is partly right. But very little would it cause to devalue a car once you see that it is not hiding patch work beyond its original parts. Just need to look a little closer is all. Sounds to be like this guy was too lazy to give it a few more minutes of looking. It doesn't mean all cars are now devalued with undercoating's on them. And probably not even this one was substantially devalued enough to cause worry or loss. Don't believe anyone you listen to and for God sake don't post something just because now you believe what was being said! Truth is its all a matter of individuals who are buying or holding these investment vehicles. I'd rather mine be protected if I were driving it. If it is sitting in a climate controlled storage it wouldn't matter if it had undercoating or not. Thanks.
@@MrCbell57 Not sure how your comment makes much sense. There is nothing good about this rubber undercoating. It's essentially the illusion of protection so not sure how your comment " I'd rather mine be protected if I were driving it" makes any real sense. Also unless the person gives the appraiser permission to chip this crap off and or is willing to do it himself how can the appraiser truly know what's underneath? He's not being lazy, he's being a realist. How or why would anyone with any legitimacy put their name on something where they couldn't even truly see some of the most important parts of what they were supposed to be inspecting?
Man this makes me glad to live in the south. Couldn’t imagine having to deal with stuff like that on a regular
Amen to that s*** there isn't a drop of rust on my 1997 GMC Sierra 1500 extended cab she's exactly the way she rolled off the factory with over a million miles
If you keep up with getting the salt off you can mitigate a lot of the damage. You'll still rust out, but you can slow it down significantly by just cleaning it off regularly.
Rochester,Ny here...when i take trips south i see mid 90s cars even earlier years look brand fuckinnew and here i am in my car with rusted hood and back wheel well rust and shit like damn im jealous man!! One of the things making me consider moving somewhere south.
@@murphy874 totalitarian government didn't do it but the rust is chasing you out of NY? Yankees are a different breed good lawd.
@@PukeSandwich definitely said one of the things! Theres many things chasing me out of new york
Thanks so much for this video. I just bought a beautiful old Lincoln Towncar that was just starting to develop some surface rust underneath. I was literally seconds away from spraying it with a rubber undercoat when I saw your video
Glad Ive seen your video before trying to do coating my own car. Thank you for the information
Person: Can you save it? 😰
Mechanic: I’m sorry..... it won’t live 10 years
I mean... It could, but i would mean welding the frame
Only a mechanic and a doctor get asked that question. Lol
Thanks for the TRUTH!
Vehicle won't even outlast the loan.
Wow, great info, thank you! I've been fluid filming my 2001 since day 1. Still in great shape.
4 or 5 years ago, I worked for a tree service. One day they asked me to get in their 1987 Silverado and head to a job site. When I looked at it I was amazed at how nice it was. I asked if they got it out of state and they said no, it was a local truck. I asked if they only drive it in summer, they said no they drive it all winter. At this point I’m flabbergasted and asked them what kind of sorcery is this? Oil. They asked me to go look under my rusty Jeep, and when I did, I saw that the only spot without rust on it, literally gorgeous paint still there, was where it was leaking oil (good ol’ Jeep 4.0 inline 6 tractor engine). Made a believer out of me.
All those coatings out there? Junk. At best they last a short while, at worst (the subject of this video) they speed up rot. JUST OIL YOUR SH**!
Fluid Film would probably be a better solution than oil. Easier to apply (comes in spray cans or you can an air compressor), non-flammable, and may stay on a little better than motor oil, and better for the environment than leaving oil everywhere you go.
@@tirdkat6104 oil comes from the ground genius
@@illhaveanother4365 So does Radon, Plutonium, Arsenic, virtually every kind of deadly mushroom, and so do centipedes, round worms, and cyanobacteria.
And so does water. Since oil coming from the ground means it's perfectly harmless, how about this: go pour a quart of oil in a small pot, cook yourself a pack of Top Ramen in it, and eat it. Let's see how that works out for you, genius.
I'd be amazed if you managed to get the electric stove turned on without blowing your house up somehow.
UPDATE: I sent the old WJ off to a farm, dude still drives it out there so I’m happy she’s still alive. I scored a rust-free Cherokee from Florida and just paid $130 to have it oil sprayed at some place locally. Wish me luck y’all.
@@illhaveanother4365why so mad ? Fluid film isn't oil
Thanks for the video! I'm currently looking for a reputable place nearby that will do a good, thorough job of undercoating my recently-purchased 2022 Ram using Fluid Film, Woolwax, or similar. You saved me from the horror of even considering the rubberized undercoatings.
Glad I could help
Damn! I don't blame you for refusing to work on cars with this crap on it, but I'm glad you did this one on video. I've never trusted the thick and goopy sort of undercoating, but it's worse than I thought. I'm in a very salty area too, and get an oil spray every year.
In my Young And Foolish years, I worked at a couple of car dealers, prepping new cars to go out when sold. The sales staff always pushed their "rust proofing", which was a thick goopy crap like Ziebart. The first time I saw it, I figured that had to be trouble.
Holy crap biscuits! What a mess. I never thought about it from your perspective, connectors, wires, and all. Thanks for the education Dr. O!
Wow😳so glad you put out this video quite a eye opener.
Thank you for this video. My daughter bought a 78 F150 from the South and it’s rust free. However, we live in Connecticut and she wanted to get it undercoated. Thank you for saving her truck!
Sounds like a classic!
I can imagine why he'd refuse to work on cars with that crap. What a mess.
Yeah cant even get sockets on bolts
Working on cars like this is an everyday occurrence in uk/ireland, which i was a mechanic in the US instead of here lol
@@donerae8682 BRAKE LINES
You're awesome dude! Love your channel and wisdom!
Was thinking about having my 4Runner undercoated with Line-X. Glad I saw this.
Thanks for showing this. Been saying it for years. These companies should be sued.
Wow !! I had no idea how bad that can wreck your car !! I used to live in CT, and they were always hawking Rusty Jones there. After a while, I heard they went out of business. Now I know why !! Thanks, Eric !!
it didn't destroy his truck! Ziebart has been in business for 65 years. if they were destroying trucks they would have died a long time age.
Wish I knew this year's ago when I used a rubberized product on my Prelude. The rust was thriving beneath the coating out of sight. When oil coatings became popular I started using them exclusively with exceptional results. Rust Check is an easy do it yourself product and if you're diligent an thorough you'll keep the rust away for a very long time.
Loved those cars. FIrst car was a 4th Gen Prelude. Sexy curves!!
Rust check for the win! I wish id know about the product before learning the hard way about rubberized undercoating. Bye bye rear bumper 😅
This kind of shit is the worst. My work won’t refuse ANY work. Corporate ass hats. They also usually won’t get additional labor for repairs like this.
I've got a '97 Type SH that was clearly a desert car. It must have sat out in the sun for 20 years because the paint is absolutely deep fried, but the car is entirely rust-free. It's got a couple of major dents that are purely cosmetic so I'm not sure if I'll have the body work done. I really just want to enjoy my car. It only gets driven on sunny days. I'd like for it to still be working another 10-15 years.
100% sir!!! I ONLT use the ‘wet’ undercoatings done annually, but this rubber stuff is garbage and shouldn’t be allowed to sell it without a huge warning on the products for what they do to the body & frame. Honestly, just having the rust is probably better as you can AT LEAST see where it is and find out where it’s just surface defects and actually penetrating the steel. Appreciate the video. It needs to be seen by a lot more people, especially those that live/drive up north in the “rust belt”.
God bless~
This is crazy. Thanks for sharing this knowledge
When I bought a brand new 1982 AMC 4X4 Eagle sedan, the car had "factory" Ziebart on the frame and body. Ziebart was very popular at the time. Around 8 years later the front passenger carpet started to smell musty. I went under the car and found that the floor had rotted away.
George Travers that sucks. those cars were ahead of their time .. 4x4 high clearance Sedan basically
It was an AMC Concord body on top of a Jeep drive train. It had great ground clearance (7") and was great in the snow.
Very informative! Thanks Eric! You may just have saved many vehicles and owners having these headaches from this video!
Was actually thinking of getting my car undercoated.. glad i stumbled upon this video.. thanks
Wow, I had no idea this happened! But it seems obvious now that I know. I'm glad I watched this video and know to avoid any car that's had this done 👍
I thought you were kind of wimping out, complaning about working on a rusty vehicle until you showed all of the hose and electrical connectors. What a nightmare!
LOL, you mustn't have watched many videos. The amount of rust that rains out of those cars when he does any suspension related work is incredible.
I though he was pretty clear about the problem. Plus it adds to he cost having to work through the coating to get to the problems.
He is likely to get complaints that someone's buddy had the same problem on the same car and it cost less.
OMG thanks a lot for this info! I almost sprayed the bottom of my car with that stuff. I bought it from Walmart and I'm returning it now!
Very helpful and informative video! Thank you very much!
Very informative video, always wondered about this stuff
Wow thank you for the video! I actually got a quote from Ziebart for a SUV i was about to buy. i won't be going there for undercoating
I strictly used a fluid undercoating as well as the previous owner of my car. It went through 12 New England winters and has no rust on it at all. Other than a little paint fade and clear coat peeling my 08 Toyota Matrix is still looking decent.
Man I'm glad I watched this video, thanks for the great info, saved my car!
Home Depot had the same problem with their deck coatings. If you're going to try blocking water, you have to coat ALL sides. That frame had factory holes in it. I doubt it was coated inside there
All sides and in the absents of moisture. IF even the tiniest bit of rust has started, its useless. This is why body people cut so much back from the rusty spot. Almost like cancer, you have to cut away some of the good to make sure you get all the bad... leave a tiny bit, and it comes back with a vengeance 100x worse.
I am sure when ziebart sees this you will be taken off of their Christmas card list.
Bill Rae probably a channel strike. They will cry. Lol.
They should have to cover the cost of the damage
Guarantee, bahahahaaaa
DON,T CARE
The best thing we have here for undercoating is underseal with added waxoyl, the waxoyl is a liquid type which actually removes moisture and stops rust spreading and the undercoat is great undercoating it actually works and I just spent a couple of days painting it on by hand so I didn’t paint fuel filters or anything stupid. Also I don’t know if this is an American thing but I’ve never seen a car with wiring underneath apart from abs it’s always run through the interior
Great video ,and thanks for the knowledge
Great Video! Consumer Reports should use this video to warn consumers. Thank You!
Been working on cars forever down south, customer came in from a road trip from the East coast. I’ve never seen such a rust bucket. I’ll never bitch about the heat down here again, all our cars are in pristine condition (regarding rust) and it’s just astounding to me.
I had my Jeep undercoated when I bought it, then found out what a mistake it was, a month or so later. Luckily it was only done one time, and I managed to save my truck through use of a lot of fluid film, pressure washing and many hours with a wire brush lol. My frame and suspension are luckily still in great shape. My wallet and pride, not as much.
so glad to read your reply - I made the Ziebart mistake - what a scam too! Hope I can rescue it with Krown or Fluid Film
And here I am, a car noob, thinking “Hrrm.. that stuff is probably a decent sound dampener.”
It’s a good wake up call, especially since I’m in the market for a used car right now. I’ll be sure to put a lot of research into any modifications.
Has nothing to do with the product and everything to do with the person who applied it. I live in finland and every single car is undercoated with rubberized undercoating with 0 issues.
@@NjoyMoney somehow I doubt you can speak for the condition of every car in Finland
@@Whillie_Whonka1 i never claimed i did, learn to comprehend what you read before trying to be a smartass
Very helpful in making my decision. Thanks!
Wow, that's an eye opener. Thanks!
Thank You for doing this video. When my vehicle's undercarriage rusted away as a result of Ziebart I had to borrow another $ 10,000 to replace it. I watched your video on the Krown undercoating you did on your truck. The first thing I did to my car was have Krown put on. It is now coming up on it's 1 year anniversary and it's going back into Krown for it's annual application. I also live in the Rust Belt and after 1 year my undercarriage looks the SAME as when I bought it. Your opinion is Respected and you will save a LOT of people money if they take your advice !!!
ohdeerme - glad you don't have the Ziebart product anymore!
Exactly what happened to my car! Used 3M, the RUSTROT started in the gas fuel pipe neck! Thanks for warning & saving a LOT of people from thousands of expense!
Excellent video best advice i had in last 15 years 👍
Reminds me of what inevitably happens to fiberglass jacketed aluminum driveshafts. One little crack in the jacket and the rot begins. The engineering goal was to eliminate sound transmission from the aluminum tube. Minor explosions of the jacket aren't unusual and in the worst case the aluminum tube can fail. May lead to serious injury or death. It's okay though because it'll probably hold together for a few years usually. My younger brother worked at a Ziebart back in the late 1970's and they sold cars and boats out of their showroom too. Of course everything they sold had that garbage applied to it. Including a 1970 Torino Cobra 429 SCJ. 4 speed car obviously including the Drag Pack. Beautiful dark blue car with rear window slats. Seem to recall it was $3995. What a shame.
He is correct-I switched to fluid film early on thankfully on my Cherokee, and it seems to be working pretty well.
Also: apply liberally on metal under battery tray to resist acid-induced corrosion
Fluid film is good stuff!
Ziebart dealer be like: you drove it in adverse conditions !
Yup. Adverse conditions like "outside of my garage." :-)
@@guardrailbiter
That curb warranty.
Once it's past the curb the warranty expires 😂
About to replace the rotted out bed on my truck and I was planning on applying this all over the frame. Its advertised as locking moisture out but apparently it also locks moisture in! Guess I'm going to stick with used hydraulic fluid and fluid film for life.
Thank you for this video, we have many customers that compare our Corrosion Free Rustproofing product to Ziebart, this will be an excellent video to send them.
I did herculiner on the interior floors of my old jeep (same type of stuff). I did a lot of prep work but water still got between the costing and rusted out the floor boards. Oil base coatings are the way to go
I spray the Fluid Film on my 2010 Tacoma here in Ma. There was a frame recall on the 2010 for rust. The dealer couldn't find a hole, so they wanted to coat it with their crap. I said no. My mechanic told me about Fluid Film. I bought a gallon, and the spray gun for under $100 online. It's one of the most satisfying feelings spraying it on. It's beautiful!
What about rustoleum undercoating; heard anything about it?
mark I’d have to research it. I found Fluid Film, so my research stops there. That is what I use because it gives me the results that I was looking for. You’ll see when you use it.
@@MacsWraps I was reading the bullet points for the rustoleum, which is also a spray like Fluid Film, and "rubberized " was one of the ingredients. Funny thing is there's no thickness to it at all. Idk if Fluid Film contains rubber as well
mark no rubber like properties. In the can it is like butterscotch pudding. It’s sprays on making it wet looking. That rubberized stuff is crap.
@@_mark_787 I would assume its the same problem as this rubber stuff. If its not breathable, it will eventually have water creep and then your rust issue behind the layer of paint.
in Germany we have plenty of salt in winter times on the road. Black "Bitumen" undercoating was popular for many years with same results as you show. I preferred the wax type undercoating therefor. Well refurbishing this frame will cost a fortune I guess, maybe with an ultra strong water sandblasting it could be achieved ...
Yeah, sounds like you're describing products like Wool Wax or Fluid Film (Not sure if those brands are sold there). That's the only way to do it. Spray it on every fall before winter if you're in a high-salt area, or every 2 years if it doesn't see as much salt.
Thanks for this video. Stopped me from doing it.