Best Rust Converter? POR-15, Eastwood, Rust-oleum Rust Reformer, Gempler's
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2024
- BRANDS TESTED: POR-15 vs Rust-oleum Rust Reformer, Eastwood, Rustoleum 2x, Permatex, VHT, Plastikote, Gemper’s, and Rust Kutter. Rust converters tested for UV resistance, scratch and chip resistance, adhesive strength, and rust resistance. I purchased all of the products tested to ensure fair and unbiased test results. So, thank you for supporting the channel!
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Here's the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you!
POR-15: amzn.to/3y7UVKf
Eastwood: amzn.to/3aaAXEY
Rustoleum Rust Reformer: amzn.to/3mje6hT
Rustoleum 2X: amzn.to/3iCPf60
Permatex: amzn.to/2We3jKK
VHT: amzn.to/3z2Higx
Plastikote: amzn.to/3sK96nG
Gemplers: amzn.to/3kgJfzB
Rust Kutter: amzn.to/3szPeU2
Companies should hope to display a "Project Farm Approved" badge on their products
Thank you very much!
They actually do that. I've seen that at least 6-7 times.
@@shane250 Which products?
@@devontrombley8425
Can't remember, but bought something off Amazon and it had "project farm stamp of approval" or something, with a link to the video.
..Yes..like the ones with "Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval".. :)
Since you use brake parts cleaner before just about every test like this in your prep phase, I feel brake cleaner test is a must do video
Thanks for the video idea.
the good stuff is non-flammable Tetrachloroethylene. the brand doesn’t matter. either CRC or FVP is the same basic recipe
I second
"In todays video, were going to test these brake cleaners on these brakes... so I used brake cleaner to clean these brakes before applying oils to see which brake cleaner puts the brakes on these oily brakes"
@@denisrhodes54 really? I've heard that the nonflammable is only important if you are going to be welding.... Is that not the case?
It’s nice to see my faith in POR 15 is not misplaced and to have it confirmed by PF is a bonus. Well done.
Just need to know the performance of fluid film / waxoyl type products now.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
@@ProjectFarm I'm about to get started on a "stop the rust" project on my trailer. I know POR15 from my off-roading days but its been a long time, so I needed this. Thank you for this and many other reviews.
Sad you didnt include the best one out there... Rust Bullet! arg
He did that already
Last fall I "restored" my 2008 F-250 instead of buying a new truck. Essentially I removed the bed, cut out and replaced bed rails, cut out rot on the wheel wheels and replaced that, cut out and replaced cab corners and parts of the inner rockers and then repainted the truck. After doing this I sprayed the underside of the cab with Chassis Saver which is a product very similar to POR15 and then sprayed fluid film. I sprayed the entire underside of the cab in fluid film over the Chassis Saver paint and the underside still looks great after a salt filled Northern winter. I used fluid film because it is only like $30 a gallon. I used the gun too so I could spray all inside the rockers and through the bed rails. Obviously as you know nothing will totally stop rust. I am basically trying to get my truck to last another 5-7 years before buying a new one. Frequent coats of fluid film over the chassis saver is what I am trying and so far it seems good. I will be putting another coat of fluid film on in fall before the winter again. Once the coat is on it looks like cosmoline is coating the entire underside. It never really dries and is more like a light grease than anything.
It blows me away how often I find your videos when researching projects I'm working on. You freaking rock dude!
Thanks!
I can’t think of another source of information to save time and money that actually applies to products I would actually use. Thank you sir. Your impartiality and simple yet brilliant approach is top tier.
You are welcome!
@@ProjectFarm whats the best rubber cement, say like industrial and generic products. Test strength,durability,heat withstanding Temps,elasticity,insulation against sound or temperature,ease of use. Just throwing ideas.
@@ProjectFarm I would KILL to know what car waxes hold up the best to UV/scratches/ dust and dirt as well as tree sap/bird bombs. I think we could all enjoy that one. THANKS for all the top tier content and the work involved!
Unlike Consumer Reports, which injects a lot of politics into their so-called tests, this guy gets down in the trenches, and checks out stuff us guys really use. Excellent! I also really appreciate the country of origin information, which Consumer Reports promised they would start supplying 15 years ago, but never did.
@@Ebooger they aren't what they used to be..
Unlike many other "experiments" on youtube, this guy really does his best to define the parameters to the viewer and control the testing conditions for the most reliable results. Major respect for that on all his videos.
Yes he rocks 😎👍
Totally agree, pleasantly surprised.
I am one who asked for this test and I really appreciate the amount of work you put into all of your videos. I'll be using the POR for my project. Thank you!
Thanks for asking for the video test!
I asked as well, Great minds think alike right
I used POR 15 to seal a gas tank on a 1957 JD tractor
I asked as well. I am a long-time POR user, and glad to see these results.
Thanks!
You guys won't be disappointed. Be forwarned, it will stick like hell to concrete, so make sure you don't get it on the garage floor. I certainly couldn't get it off (I didn't notice till it dried) It's also incredibly scratch and ding resistant, which made me glad I picked it to use on my suspension and subframe.
Not surprised the POR-15 ran away with this one, it's legendary among us old-car enthusiasts. Rust never sleeps! Love your testing methodology, too. As a metallurgical engineer, I've done some work with the SAE J2334 cyclic corrosion test. You might take a look at it and incorporate some element of wet/dry cycles if you ever do longer term corrosion tests in the future.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@ProjectFarm is this your normal voice? are you like "honey, im going to the bathroom. im comparing the efffectiveness of these 4 toilet papers.. ok lets go"
@ProjectFarm so if using on a car say I get the por 15. I would still need to use a primer over top, and then paint of course and finally clear coat to be used on painted surfaces is this correct? I see many people saying need to sand down and use bondo and sometimes metal filler. But on my car the rust isn't that severe. The paint is only beginning to bubble and very slightly crack in small spots. So I feel sanding would be a bad option
Do you know anything / have experience with Brunox?
@@jwgmail Never even heard of it before. Website looks promising, but I have no info to share.
This is why I love this channel, this project took 60 days to complete, any other channel would have 5 videos from this with updates weekly, but you just put the setup and results all in the same video.
I can attest I used the Rust-Oleum rust reformer in the trunk of my car to cover up some surface rust but don't have to worry about impacts in that area so it works great for me.
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
52 minutes after uploading and over 14,000 views. This man is invaluable to me and millions of others. Not only do I use his videos to learn about products I hadn’t even heard of. Saved myself personally probably over a couple thousand dollars over the years by buying the most effective tools and products based on his testing. Thank you so much. Meanwhile you’re definitely living my dream.
You are welcome!
First vid I watched was the duct tape one. Day I needed duct tape you know I went for TRex.
Literally bought the Milwaukee 12v 3/8” impact after his test on cordless impacts. Have bought a few other things, “just to have”, including a stud finder, because, well, he said it worked the best for what I’d need. Lol
It's kind of strange to see the "control" test end up in the middle of the pack.
The Rust Reformer looks like an incredible deal for the price.
Thanks for the video, not only is it entertaining but very useful information.
Yeah, I am somewhat concerned by that. It is almost like we are not understanding the point of these rust converters and are testing them against criteria that is unfair. I am not saying I THINK that is the case, just wondering if people with more wisdom than me could posit a test that would have left the paint at the bottom.
These tests were very simular to the bed lining tests in a way. They call got blasted by the rust accelerent solution.
Or... the fact is whatever coating the rust is "converted into" is just poor and there is no fixing a poor material coating. Which makes me think that POR-15 just adds something like plastic truck bed liner as a protectent.
Paint is a great sealer. This test was more about preventing future rust, less about converting existing, so you're right that it didn't necessarily test the intent of the products.
A test that showed the performance of a paint that says all rust must be removed prior to application would have better shown whether the products actually neutralized the existing rust.
You are welcome!
POR-15 might appear to be the most expensive but it’s amazing how much square footage it can cover! When that’s taken into consideration, it probably ranks one of the cheapest out there. Coupled with being the best for stopping rust, it’s an overall amazing product!
Thanks for the feedback.
Been using this product to all my rust repairs , it works
But it's professional use only.
Thousands of people do it themselves with POR-15.
Did you use the metal prep before the POR ?
Thank you for another great testing video that will definitely help me in the future!
Thank you very much!!
@@ProjectFarm Came here to leave this exact comment always. Refreshing to always have a channel like yours with no sponsorships muddying the waters of REAL reviews and tests!
@@ProjectFarm Yay, I think I suggested this maybe! I been holding off on my trucks body work for this, haha
Agreed, thank you.
@@IBNetMan I too have used Corroseal, (26.99 qt) on a antique cast iron bird bath, it did the trick.
Absolutely love the effort you put in to all your testing , really shows in the videos .
Thank you very much!
Thank you so much buddy. Your work amazes me every time. I have now ordered POR15 for my car restorations. Thank you for saving me the time and hassle to find out myself🤝
You are welcome! Glad I could help!
POR15 works great on frames. 2 years later still looks like new on my grand dad's S10.
Glad to see rust reformer got a thumbs up b/c I've been using it for years on projects such as truck frames and propane pipes outside commercial livestock barns
7:55 That's just about the most scientific way of saying, "I'm going to shoot it with a BB gun."
Thanks!
Careful, you will shoot your eye out, Ralphie
The first video I watched where he did this test I first thought, huh, .177 sounds famili...oohhhh
Re title the video...how to convert rusty scrap metal to BB gun targets...lol
You must be new here.
Rust oleum is my go to paint when restoring rusty metal projects!
I’d love to see you test degreasers, like purple power, zep, simple green, etc…
Thanks for sharing. Thanks for the video idea.
MUST add *Dawn* dish soap to the mix too (that cheap stuff is garbage). Ive used it at the shop over everything else for decades. The Uni-First guy used to wonder why we never used the pumice soap until I washed my hands with Dawn in front of him😂🤣
Dawn does an awesome job. It’s what they use to degrease bridges, as it’s environmentally friendly. It’s also used to clean animals after an oil spill. It’s definitely awesome stuff and very cheap.
Would like to see Super Clean in those test
I did the bottom of my 90 Cavalier Z24 with that back around 2005. Red rusty metal primer with black enamel after a fairly complete sandblast ( on my back masked up the ugly way.). Undercoat sprayed after . By the next winter it was ugly with rust worse than before. I’d used rust oleum for many years prior to their taking the lead out of it with great results. Nowadays I annually spray the base and tape door drains let soak with 2” deep mix of used ATF / bar n chain oil and cheap petroleum jelly. It’s messy but seems to stop rust in its tracks as well as can be expected even in areas that can’t be gotten at .
Beyond that all you can do is move south because the rust always wins in the end
Amazing
I LIVE FOR THESE... well, my garage shelves live for these.
lol. Thanks!
I found out about POR-15 3 years ago when I did my trunk on my 1997 Acura Integra and to this day it shines !!!!! For those of you using POR-15 on rust outside you need to use the other product to protect the paint form the UV rays ... AMAZING PRODUCT MAN
Thanks for the feedback.
I REALLY could have used this video yesterday when I just redid my mower deck with a rust converter. Love every single one of these videos, they have informed so many of my purchasing decisions.
Thanks so much! Thanks for sharing.
I would love to see these tests as well as like heat tests on paints that claim to work with 500 degrees for engines and even 2000 plus degree paint for Like exhausts that would be super cool informative video don't think I have seen you do any kind of video like this yet 🤔🤘👍👌@Project Farm
Great suggestion! Thank you.
I second this suggestion!!
@@ProjectFarm any time appreciate you always reading our comments and taking suggestions what makes you amazing
@@ProjectFarm put the heat on it 🔥 definitely do this one
I third this suggestion. I have always wondered how "heat proof" certain coatings are.
If you do decide to do this I would recommend also trying some common gun coatings such as parkerization, duracote, and cerakote.
Here's an idea: test those "2X" primer+paint versions versus using a separate primer and paint.
Thanks for the video idea.
Yess
yes please
@@ProjectFarm Would be interesting to see both coverage and durability.
I've never found Shampoo+Conditioner-in-One to perform as good as separate Shampoo and Conditioner. ;)
Testing of the products (especially shop items) is great. Oils, paints, welders, tools ...
Probably the high quality brands like Rust Oleum do test their products. In the past I worked for a large chemical company, and they did extensive testing of paints and coatings in lab. They even had an outdoor testing area. They would put samples out there for years at a time like in a matrix of panels.
You are reproducing that kind of testing on a practical level, its very useful for consumers.
Thanks! Thanks for supporting the channel! I really appreciate it!
The old "you get what you pay for" seems to have held true on this one.
Thanks Todd. Great testing as usual.
Thanks!
Not always, though, the cheapest ones were better than mid-range, it was only the most expensive that performed better.
I'm glad to see the POR-15 work so well. I used Rustoleum Rust Reformer on my Jeep's underbody and after one winter it got pretty bad with rust. This April I painted on the POR-15 and after a bunch of beach sand, rain, and mud it's looks like the day I painted it. I am curious how the road salt this winter will treat it!
If you got the one with aluminum powder in it you should be pretty good. The black ones are no where near as good.
Thanks for sharing!
@@zachary3777 por15 with aluminium powder in?
Por-15 long term has proved to be total junk, really disappointed.
Trying aqua steel rust converter and lanoguard this time.
I live in the north east and used POR-15. It looked good for a few years but after that the rust came through. It must have been holding the rust underneath until it got so bad it flaked off. I regretted putting it on my frame because it just excelled the rot on the frame.
I use fluid film now on all my vehicles, seems to work the best for preventing rust from starting.
I've been using Eastwood for years on all of my projects, and it holds up really good for the long term. One nice thing is they have a version with a 3ft whip that you can spray the inside of the frame, and not just the outside.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@ProjectFarm also another thing to take into consideration.
You can very easily touch up Eastwood by just spraying more. POR15, doesn't let you do that.
@@DaffyDuc69 Not only that but you're not able to use POR 15on bare metal whereas you can with Eastwood Rust Encapsulator
Recently I’ve used the Eastwood rust encapsulator and I really like that plastic tube / spray nozzle configuration.
This confirms my decision to use Rust Reformer on my truck restoration projects because of budget. Dries quickly and is paintable. All the parts I’ve used this on over the years are still looking awesome and I still have money for the rest of the parts needed. Awesome video as always! 🙌🏼
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
Awesome Timing on the video dude! I was just about to start work on a rusty truck. We appreciate all that you do
Glad to help
I've enjoyed your work for some time now but this is the video that finally convinced me to register an account with Patreon in order to give back. I am always impressed by your test rigs and the time and effort put into the tests but the fact that you ran a 60 day painted/unpainted/un-accelerated test for each product totally sold me. I am about to have a rusty truck sandblasted and was considering POR15 and your work eliminated any hesitancy I had to spend the money. Thanks again!
Thanks so much for watching and for becoming a Patreon! Greatly appreciate it!
cut all rust out, weld new medal in use epoxy primer top coat, wax,,have fun tjf!!
@@tallman2994 Instructions unclear. Head stuck to epoxy undercoat.
Watch the beginning of the video. He states that these products don't work on bare metal. Wouldn't sand blasting eliminate all the rust?
If it's getting sandblasted I'd also recommend using an epoxy primer on the clean metal, rather than por15 like tallman said
The POR 15 is amazing. I used it on my 66 Chevelle SS for when I did a frame off restoration for the frame and under body and over 20 years later it still looks perfect ...no rust no chips. Looks as good as when I first did it. This stuff is the best !!!! And when you brush it on it smooths out like if you sprayed it on. A can of it covers a large area so it actually works out cheaper than anything else.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@ProjectFarm I used POR 15 in a rusty trunk floor, that had small and medium holes rusted through, in combination with fiberglass matt and cloth. I installed 2layers of matt and one cloth layer, rolling the POR 15 into each layer as you would with resin. no dry time inbetween. 6 years later the trunk floor is still solid with no signs of rust.
Can por 15 be painted over?
@@Zumone1one yes, it can. They also make a product called Top Coat to go over POR-15.
I wonder how similar it is to something we have here called PA 10
Thanks for the great videos! Moved into my house in 2000. House had steel Bilco doors into basement (12 year old house). Bilco's had original primer but had never been painted. They were rusted bad enough to where I looked into replacing them. Decided to paint with POR-15 and topcoat with Rustoleum paint. It's now been 23 years since I POR-15'd them and they are in great condition. I do repaint them every 6 or 7 years. The POR-15 just locked up the rust and they look better now then they did 23 years ago. Good Product! I also used it to treat the bottom of my Toyota Sequoia, Toyota's are rust bombs if you live in the snow belt.
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
Another great video! Confirmed my experience with POR-15 being one of the best around. Would love to see an eval with Evaporust followed by scrape/paint.
Same!
Evaporust is not the same as a rust encapsulator. It is meant to return rusty metal to a bare metal if submerged.
I use POR-15 and find it the best solution. I tried various other options and they all failed in just a few months. Like any such product, prep and application are key. Do it right and you get the best results.
@@SkaterStimmYes, it's a very different product. Using that plus a regular primer and paint is a very different strategy. All the more reason that a comparison would be interesting.
This is why they call POR-15, "powder coat in a can." I have used it for years and nothing compares. Great review as always
Thank you for the feedback!
KBS Coatings is just as good as POR-15 and a bit less costly.
POR stands for paint over rust
It's nice when you've been using a product (por15) and then have project farm say its the best. Really boosts my confidence for using
Thanks for sharing.
This was one of the most lopsided wins in PF history.
I'm surprised Loctite Rust Neutralizer wasn't included. Maybe do a round 2 video with it and Ospho iron phosphate rust converter?
Always cool when PF tests something I have/use and it does a good job. It’s definitely reassuring.
Yes same here I was rooting for the POR15 since I used it on my dad's car
I expected por15 to win going into the video, as I've used it and it's good stuff. I was thoroughly impressed by how well the Rustoleum performed with how cheap it is compared to some of the others. Thanks for the great content!
You are welcome!
Absolutely happy to see the por15 came out on top. I did my truck frame a few years ago and it's been holding up awesome to the road salt. Awesome video
Thanks so much! Thanks for the feedback.
Por 15 is overrated imo i doesnt work that well
@@researchandbuild1751 Agree. Ower rust I go with cosmoline.
I've used the eastwood internal frame coating/fluid film on my one car that has never seen a winter since I bought it used. I have no complaints. I painted the frame the best I could with por15. No more rust has popped out. It wasn't bubbly rust just surface. Best looking midwest car its age around. Trying woolwax now on my winter/family hauling truck. Por15 is great just not in the sun.
Definitely hates the sun. I used a bit on my bumper and it turned transparent and has rust coming through.
Need to use the uv stable top coat if exposed to the sun
@@craigwiess1656 Very true, I have heard of some people rattle can spraying por15 while it was still tacky and had good results just using normal rustoleum to keep it from becoming chalky.
Project Farm : We're gonna test that!
Company's : visible sweating.
I Used Por 15 on a light duty dump truck dump bed with great, awesome results. All did was use a powered wire wheel to remove light rust, cleaned the bed with compressed air and then wiped down with a degreaser, cleaner and allowed to dry well. I spread the Por 15 very thin with a brush and roller and shockingly it held up very well to loads of Class five rock, gravel bing dumped on it. I will be doing the same project afain with another dump truck next week using Por 15 again. If POR 15 gets on your skin its almost impossible to remove, trust me..
Thanks for sharing.
How much did you guys use? A whole gallon?
Very convenient video as I'm in the process prepping and coating my entire silverado frame in por15 and odd spots with rustoleum.
Time and time again you have guided my product purchases in the right direction. Thank you for all you do.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Whatever you do wear as much protective coating as you can. I had to scrub my body with a pumice stone for 2 hours to get the por15 off after doing my Jeep lol. I wasn’t waiting weeks for my skin to do the work for me
@@brodiepowers8698 I had the same issue because I already did the entire rear of the truck. It started to come off after 3-4 days. I still specks on my nails 2 weeks later. Supposedly the best thing to use is like vegetable oil or conola oil? Absorbs in your skin and lifts it off the surface from below
Thanks Todd for doing this. I am working on my Jeep to slow/stop the rust inside and outside the frame, underneath the body and even inside the doors. This helps. I owe you a Klondike ice cream bar.
lol. Thanks in advance for the ice cream bar!
All the por 15 products are amazing. I would recommend you look into por 15 frame paint for your project as well. It's a high solids paint that is very durable. I used it on the floor of a car that doesn't have carpet over it and it's been 2 years and there isn't a scratch or sign of rust.
@@1leafsfan6 Thank you for the recommendation. It's already on order from Amazon. I think they must love Todd's channel.
There's no stopping, only slowing. One thing that has to be made more apparent with all rust control products is that coating it with something will NEVER be a 100% solution. The only real fix is to media blast it down to bare metal and coat it fresh.
Seem like this is one of those, you get what you pay for episodes. I still absolutely appreciate the time and effort in the comparison though! I have used and still use the Rust-Oleum 2x paint on things it seems like a good general product. And I have used POR-15 on rusty things with good results. Mainly this confirmed what I expected going in. 👍
Thanks!
Sean
Thanks so much!
As others have mentioned, the can of POR 15 will cover a lot of area. A lot of the weight in the spray products is propellant, so I would bet there is much less total coverage for any of the spray products. Perhaps weighing the cans before and after application would provide useful comparative data about the cost per application, or an estimate on total area that can be covered with each product.
Thanks for the feedback.
I’ve been using the Rustoleum rust reformer for a while including the restoration of a B&O railroad signal. Stuff really holds up. This video just reaffirms my thoughts on the product. Keep up the amazing work.
Thanks, will do!
I agree. I was using an old truck bed toolbox as a little project to practice mig welding thinner metal, and when I was done I decided to try rust reformer and was very impressed with the result.
I’ve used POR-15 on a car about 12 years ago, and it has held up really well. It seals any potential for more rust from the air and elements.
Thanks for sharing.
what kind of car and where?
all of my por 15 has peeled
@@gman8760 POR-15 must be painted with a topcoat or UV light will destroy it.
@@BUCKMAW yeah i realized that now. it was on my frame... however i painted my well thats about a foot above the ground with no top coat and it seems to be holding up well
I've been watching for several years here and there but always forget to subscribe, not anymore I am now official. It's been a pleasure tuning in and I have appreciated every video, I'm a tightwad so I always put off purchasing things I need in the shop because I don't want to waste money. You have helped by giving a good direction to go in. Thanks.
Thanks for watching and subscribing!
been rebuilding a ford maverick for a couple years now. been through about 30 cans of the rust reformer and that stuff honestly is awesome. i always coat with rustoleum farm and implement low gloss black after it, and man, its been sweet hah.
Thanks for sharing.
I appreciate how you fill all of your time with useful information. Many utubes of this sort would have been 3 times as long and not as informative.
Thanks!
The lengths you go to when testing and the innovation’s amaze me ! The scratchometer is brilliant !
Thanks!
I can’t tell how helpful this Chanel is
I've used POR-15 a number of times, it's basically liquid plastic. Using it on the frame of my truck here in NY I guess it's worked as well or better as anything. When it finally starts to let go and peel it peels off in thick, heavy flexible pieces. It probably is the best of the bunch, but years later when rust starts showing again and you go to recoat, you're going to have your work cut out for you trying to get the old stuff off.
Thanks for sharing.
POR-15 claiming that's it's permanent is no lie. I used their 3 part system years back and that stuff is mean.
Great testing as always!
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
Yep, I used their system to reline the interior of a 20 gallon gas tank. Brilliant stuff.
I can also give a long term review of POR-15. I used it about 20+ years ago on an old car frame to stop it from rusting.. It still looks great with no rust.
I used Rust-Oleum on a jeep hatch that was rusted out after patching it up and using bondo to smooth it out. Still no rust 1 year later and I'm pretty impressed because it was just a budget fix to try and slow it down atleast. For the price it really is awesome stuff. Love your videos by the way. Thanks for all your hard work!
Thanks for the feedback.
Thanks for your suggestion!
Thanks for the feedback !
You are welcome !
I’ve only ever used Rustoleum before, like 20 years ago. It was the high temp version for a grill. Think it was $6 back then. It did a great job overall. Always appreciate these videos and the information they provide.
Thank you
Impressive.
This is one of the few videos where the most expensive product is in fact also the best at its job.
And what a difference it is, POR-15 was actually fantastic in every test. They managed to back up their claims.
Though some of the other brands did an admirable job, and make for a really good alternative if budgets must.
Thanks for the feedback.
God I love your videos. Who else produces such good comparison of everyday commercial home improvement products?! You're the consumer reports of home improvement, man!
Thanks so much!
Thank you sir for putting in the time on this video. I spend 2 weekends every year fighting the boat trailer rust and your insight will help in those 'rust wars' that come with saltwater fishing and maintaining your boat trailer.
You are welcome!
I've been looking forward to this test! I use POR15 for many automotive applications, from coating a gas tank to floor pans and the back side of panels. POR15 gas tank treatment requires removing loose rust, washing (their special solution) followed by etching (POR15 product) and finally the POR15 gas tank coating. It's amazing stuff - very durable and does a great job protecting.
I've seen the results when people use other products. POR15 works the best and even though it's on the expensive side, the protection it provides is worth every penny.
Thanks for the video - I'm so glad to see the results.
You are welcome! Glad to hear!
Think it will work on fenders that keep starting to rust no matter how many times the body man keeps "fixing" it?
@@jamesnm21 I'm in the auto industry and the only way to properly fix rust is to cut it out and weld new panels in. You can delay the inevitable by coating both the back and outside of the panel with a rust converter (POR 15). It'll definitely slow down the rust.
If your body shop uses a quality part, which is galvanized on the back, then does a good job installing and painting, you should get years of use from the part. The key is to make sure there are no exposed places where the rust can start - most times this is on the back of the panel or at the edge or screw/bolt hole.
I grew up in Chicago and boy do I remember how quickly cars rusted. In fact, a couple years ago, I was on a cross country drive and I saw the rust damage to cars in Ohio and Indiana - very bad!
Good luck and let us know how POR 15 works for you.
For the impact tests, to be more valid... you need to do at least 3 shots at each sample, and average the results. LOVE your tests! I use POR 15 and you do NOT want to get it on your hands. It is a BEAR to remove! lol
It will come off after about a week.
Thanks so much! Thanks for the constructive feedback.
I feel like the right way of shortcutting the impact tests. Shoot until damage occurs. I feel like that way you get a real world result without the scientific spin. (Yes there’s plenty of spin in science...)
I agree with you.
This video just came out in time when I need to clean and repaint/protect from the rust trailer ball bar. Thank you, sir, for yet another very useful video.
You are welcome! Glad to hear!
There is a product available in quart cans called “Ensign 335A Metal Preservative”.
Once when at an auto parts store I was going to buy a POR product, but then I saw this stuff sitting next to it, and it was way cheaper so I tried it.
It is a very thick sticky liquid that I would imagine is best put on with a brush. I believe it originated as a paint for steel-bottom watercraft. I think it may be creosote-based, e.g. coal tar.
I have used it on numerous projects, but what comes to mind is a wheel barrel and the bottom of lawn tractor mower decks. I only removed loose rust first as surface prep. I cannot remember using a primer.
I must have painted these items 20 years ago, and still use them extensively. The wheelbarrow sits out in the rain uncovered everyday (upside-down, but I painted the bottom, too.)
Nothing I’ve painted with this product has ever developed any rust, or chipped off. This stuff is unbelievable. If you 😊get it on your hands and fail to use solvent to remove it, or it will have to wear off.
You really should try this stuff along the other brands of rust preventatives the next time you test again.
Thank you for the excellent content. Always the best.
You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
This test was So Awesome..i just signed up for Patreon for $2 Aussie dollars per month, which is huge for me because i'm a free-loading jerk, usually. Massive respect for your amazing techniques and presentation. Great work, as always..... *THANKS!!* PS- you got me for 12mths minimum
Thanks so much! Thanks for becoming a Patreon! Glad you enjoy the videos!
I would like to see some tests for different types of fishing lines: monofilament, fluorocarbon and braided. Knot strength, knick resistance, tensile strength, twist resistance and age control. Different knots and line weights. So many options, it's hard to choose.
Thanks for the suggestions.
@@ProjectFarm Another vote for fishing line!
Berkley has videos on knot strength.
Basically, if you're using a braid you use a palomar or modified palomar knot, and every one of them will exceed the test rating.
If you're using a mono or flourocarbon, use a trilene knot and you'll exceed the test rating.
I have used many, many lines. I've had some I loved for their strength and abrasion resistance, but they wind knotted and were a pain when trying to cast on windy days. Mono that worked amazing for a few months, then took a set and turned into a big ball of shit trying to go through the guides.
I have it narrowed down to just a few that stay in the boat now. Sensation in 6,8,10 lb for various size spinning reels and leader. Basic standard fireline in 6 and 10 lb for various size reels. 30lb braid for the baitcasters that I'll be using to flip and drop in trees and heavy weeds. And lastly 10-12lb flourocarbon for leader material if you need that weightless plastic worm to jig slower, or you can't get away from those slimey pike.
Maybe he don't fish.
Great! Perfect timing, just started looking for a good product. Thanks!!!
Thank you and hope you enjoy the video!
@@ProjectFarm I always do, you've saved me lot's of time and money.
Thanks for taking the huge amount of time to record and publish the results of this experiment. Saves us money and time.
You are welcome!
Might could do a video on dremel type tools and their attachments like the wand type flexible engraving and get a few videos out of the cheaper bits and wheels.
Thank you for the video idea!
@@ProjectFarm i was asking for rotary tools but dremels are the same
I use my Dremel for much stuff including sharpening chainsaws and lawnmower blades with the attachment. For cutting holes in walls for electrical boxes the Dremel is fantastic. Do Not Do Home Gunsmithing with one, for the love of God please don't do this
Yea these tools and attachments have tons of versatility, and why I said it would make for a few videos for sure given the cheaper supply of grinding stones, wheels, bits, and attachments that have hit the market. Thank you all for supporting the idea because yes, we use them plenty for plenty.
@@TAELSDOLL yea I just wanted to make it a bit more user friendly. There are tons of options out there now, some better than others and some not so much, but thanks for totally supporting the idea and totally wasn't trying to steal it lol.
I’ve been using Rust Reformer for years and it’s the clear winner in my book. Only a 6th of the price of Eastwood and POR15 and also way easier to apply than POR15 in tight spots too. I don’t put a top coat over it and everything I paint with it never rusts again for the vast majority of projects. If it does however, it’s super easy to wire wheel a trouble spot and spray again in no time at all. In average painting conditions it also dries very fast. About 5-10 minutes on a sunny day and about 30-40 in the winters here in New England. The stuff I have painted with it (no top coat) looks the same as it did 6 years ago. Truly great stuff.
Thanks for sharing.
Over 6 cans of rust reformer for the price of one por15. I wonder what would have happened had he used the products in monetarily equal amounts.
@@1985cjjeeper I mean, 6 layered of rrr probably wouldn’t have helped, but, if he did 6 tests on the same por coupon and resprayed over the rrr coupon 6 times that would work too, I touch up nicks and scratches all the time when rocks or whatever hit painted areas
@@tenderblender945
I used it on a toyota truck frame that was rusting badly from having spent time up north before coming back down south where I live. I would just spray it on and the rust would die and come off in almost sheets then I'd spray it again. Took a year or so but eventually it was all healed up.
Rust reformer is just cheap spray paint... it's not a real rust converter. No chemical reaction happens and it contains no phosphoric acid.
Once again an excellent test and presentation. I've used and like POR-15 a lot, but you did not mention that it must not be exposed to UV and will need to be top-coated to prevent degradation due to sun exposure. would have been great to see a 1 year test comparison on all the products you exhibited. Thanks for posting!
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Por-15 makes something called top coat just for that purpose. That, or their "hard nose" clear. Both amazing products.
You are by far one of the most important UA-cam channels Im subbed to the information gathered and shared is incredibly helpful.
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching and subscribing!
Thanks, Todd! This is exactly what I needed to know before bead blasting, undercoating and painting my conversion van rebuild. Tested a few different brands, but was still undecided, until now. POR-15 it is.(never heard of it, until now) 😎
You are welcome!
I'm planning on painting the underbody of my truck, what products will you be using on your van?
I'd love to see a test of Steel-It! I have found it to have amazing weld-thru and rust prevention properties as well as being pretty resistant to corrosive chemicals like brake fluid.
Thanks for the video idea.
YES THIS VIDEO IS ABOUT TO SAVE MY LIFE!!! 🙌
Thank you and hope you enjoy the video!
@802 Garage Wow talk about timely! Just curious though, what are you using that is so rusty it is life threatening? (I really do wonder if this would help chains and such not rust)
@@yabman1317 Hahaha I just mean my entire life is combating rust!
Don't forget: on nearly all of these, he applied two coats. For the Rust-oleum Rust Reformer, he only applied one coat because I think the can may have said only one coat required. The website definitely says the same as all the others though -- for best results, several light coats applied a few minutes apart. I'd have liked to have seen the various surface durability tests done where the Rust Reformer had the same number of coats as the rest of them.
Thanks for sharing.
Before even seeing this test, funny that the my 2 go-to products for my car projects are POR15 and Rust Reformer (the latter being easier to use b/c it's a spray can versus brush-on). I do 2 coats of the Reformer.
@@mike325cisame i do 2-3 coats if rust reformer. On my old classics.. where i cleaned the rust as best i could. It actually never came back 5-7 years after the fact. Maybe 2-3 coats its overkill... but it works for me. Rust reformer can alao get into tighter places. Etc ricker pabels.. kick panels.. and pillars etc
Most people don’t realize the importance of hawthorns: Rust-Oleum's headquarters are at 11 Hawthorn Pkwy.,in Vernon Hills, IL, the Beach Boys grew up in Hawthorne CA, and the Wright Brothers lived on Hawhorn Street in Dayton OH. and later moved to Hawthorn Hill in Oakwood.
Thanks for sharing!
It’s a suburb in Melbourne Australia as well
Best locking pliers/ “vise grips”? I feel like there could be a lot of different and very good tests that can be done . Toughness / construction of tool, a twist test?Toughness of “teeth “, how well it grips onto flats and rounds. Most torque able to be applied .
Thanks for the suggestion.
@@ProjectFarm I have a bunch of old Vice Grips that are great. My Milwaukee have been warrantied a few times from broken springs or broken Jaws. My Home Depot Husky have held up comparable to Vice Grip but no longevity.
that was quick lmao
I actually recommended this a couple weeks ago and he made a video on it! I’m glad he did to because I figured out what pair I’m gonna buy lol
Another great video, Todd. Looks like it's been about 3 years since your last rust remover video. Since then, it looks like every European restoration channel's favorite rust remover, MC-51, is now possible to get in the States. Or at least shipped to the States. I'd love to see a showdown between MC-51 and Evapo-Rust.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Man I watched this after I painted the underside of my van with rustoleums rust reformer and a top layer of Rustoleums undercarriage paint and now I am very glad that I went with that option. Great work showing the products.
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
Video suggestion: maybe difficult to test but have you ever tested concrete/basement waterproofing sealants?
Thanks for the suggestion.
second this
Awesome suggestion, please do it! Drylok, ChemMasters Chemseal included in testing please!
Yet again another great video!-thank you so much for your dedication and hard work in doing these videos!!
Something I would like to add for the por-15 is that a little goes a long way. It might seem expensive but it goes on super easy and you use a lot less product. I’ve been super impressed with it so far and I’m glad to see it holds up to this much abuse!
Thanks for the feedback.
How does it go on easy!?? It’s like trying to paint with milk with how runny it is??.... works good but I can’t paint for shit without it dripping and running everywhere..
@@undertakerfire7810 you’re probably putting it on too thick. It really doesn’t need much and goes a long way
Just the test I needed before attacking the rust on my subframe! Thanks!
You are welcome!
Absolute praise to you for the high quality content and the meticulous attention to details, design of experiments and process control. The POR looked like it went on quite heavier than the other coatings, and couldn't help but think of how this may have impacted the results. But while control of coating thickness would certainly be a variable, I don't know who that would be factored out especially when comparing spray vs. brush-on products. Keep up the outstanding work!!
Wow. Great video. Been wanting to see a contest between Eastwood and Por15. I wonder how much better the Por15 would have been with the metal prep Por15 recommends, which leaves a zinc phosphate coating.
I know POR15 is loved by many... But i tried that stuff on my Ford Escape wheel wells and back hatch rust and it did little to stop the rust. I tried it 3x... And prepped everything exactly as they instruct. I do live in MI and they use lots of salt here. I just feel like rust can rarely be stopped. You can maybe slow it down. Maybe
My experience with por15 was similar. Rust bullet delivered. The spots where rust did come back, I just scuffed with sand paper and applied another coat. Rust bullet also has much better armor vs por15
@@kevinbradley9601 The reason why are Fords are made to rust....jk. I think the Por15 is great, though SEM makes a simaler product I have used that actually comes in a screw top container. This in itself the biggest drawback to POR15. Opening can and stiring and removing what you need. Its messy. And I think some of the application problems stem from this. Using directly from can a big no no. Leaving the top off another one. And not mixing correctly on cans that have sat on the shelf a long time.
I'd love to see more repetition to the chip testing -- I can imagine some variance so getting more samples should help provide a more consistent baseline.
Thank you for the video idea!
yeah a fully automatic bb gun test lol
Definitely keep doing what you doing. Going get some Eastwood for my rv steps
Thanks, will do! Thanks for sharing.
Fantastic comparison. I am amazed at the work and time you put in to this. Excellent video as always. I don't know how you get so much information into a small segment. I struggle to get alot of repair videos down less than 20mins....
Thanks for this testing!
I painted a whole trailer with Rust-Oleum rust reformer and it held up great. Lay as many coats as you can, it's cheap!
Thanks for sharing.
I’m doing the entire undercarriage and frame of my truck with RRR. I imagine you spray it on like any can of spray paint. Did you need to do much prep work, or does it just spray and stick?
@@gregt722 i hit it with wire brush on the old grinder, wipe and spray. Give it couple coats before applying Rostuleum oil based gloss black high performance enamel with a roller and brush so it goes on thick. They sell it in gallon form and it's great for the price.
this is funny and I can confirm the Rustolium 2x results, I have had it on my all steel front end on my suv for the last 6 years, every 2-3 years i hit it with a wire brush and add a couple coats, it looks good, lasts, is cheep, and for my suv (no its not a road queen, it is a rance/off grid/homestead rig, it gets abused as much as any lifted farm truck) it works fine.
Great information. Thank you!
Hello, I have a product suggestion
It's regarding rust converters that convert rust into black magnetite.
But you cannot use a wire brush and a drill to remove all the rust. It'll have nothing to convert.
A lot of these bottles come in 1 quart
Some of them claim rust will never return, some need top coats
These are all brush on
Gemplers rust converter
Corroseal, converter
Eastwood converter
Black star converter
FDC rust converter ultra
Birchwood industries rust converter
Thank you very much and please continue making excellent videos.
Thanks, will do! Thanks for the suggestion.
Great video, though I was a little surprised you didn't use the old Armory method of boiling in water to convert the rust to black oxide and then oiling. That method has been around for centuries and well honestly It works on more than just guns.
Thanks!
I also use that for firearms. But it's hard to boil the entire underbody of a car! Different methods for different needs.
@@videodistro Of course, but it still would have been interesting to see how it stood up.
Hell yes! Quickest click I’ve ever done! 😄
Thank you and hope you enjoy the video!
I love how scientifically you describe shooting the metal with a BB gun 😂 As always, spectacular video and exactly what I needed when I needed it!
Thanks!
Confirms my experience with POR-15. Used it first in the US Navy, and recently painted the underside of my motorhome, which was delivered in early Spring, so it probably traveled from Indiana during winter, I cleaned nd wire-brushed, brushed on black POR-15, and a year later it looks like the day I applied it, despite driving through rain, snow, sleet, and a whole lot of dirt and rocks and volcanic dust and quartz dust.
Thanks for sharing.
I know why this guy has a smile on his face, he can't believe the number of guys sitting in their man caves watching this stuff.
So no etching prep before the por15? And it still worked well?
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