I think George at least would've had a much more consistent overarching story to his trilogy. It wouldn't have been entirely made up as it went along by a pair of combative filmmakers who were constantly undercutting each others' creative decisions.
And Lucas would have had atleast one reunion scene with Luke, Leia and Han in Episode 7. The fact that they didn’t have one scene together despite one of the most iconic trios ever is still mind boggling to me.
@@ULYSSES-31 I disagree. You can question the execution but Lucas definitely had an arc for Anakin and Palpatine. Palpatine was a Senator, then the Chancellor and then the Dictator by Episode 3 so how he fooled the Jedi to get power was interesting. Anakin’s arc was always about fear and attachment, hence why Lucas started with a 10 year old boy leaving his mom in Episode 1. Again, you can question Lucas’s execution but the story arc for 1,2,3 is all there
@@chrisolivo6591 Those are themes and ideas. You could also write out the themes and ideas of the Sequels and it wouldn't sound much different. The problem is none of them are enough detail for a well planned story.
@@UnknownAlien475 I think George’s would have been just as bad, if not worse than what we got. The Prequels were a giant step down from the OT, and he tarnished the OT with the Special Editions.
The senate scenes in the prequels were well done. Palpatine's plot was devious and realistic. "So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause" is an iconic line.
Yeah personally I liked the politics scenes. 99% of how sidious came to power was political manipulation. I think the whole point of it was to show that for thousands of years, the sith tried brutality and overt force and failed, but won when it came to the most evil game of all: politics
The story we got in the prequels was largely excellent. Some of the characters were excellent, some not so much. It was the overall execution of it all that was clunky or cringey at times, and could have gone better. But overall it was a good trilogy, especially compared to the abomination now called the sequel trilogy.
@@jimmyboy131 Oh God no.. Episode 1 and 2 are terrible films. Jar Jar, Darth Maul has no screen time or motivations, Anakin is like 8 years old as if anyone cared about him being that young? Then Episode 2 we have the cringiest love story of all time followed by the worst acting in SW history. I am old enough to have seen those movies in theaters.. People hated them.. Critics and fans alike really hated them.. I saw Episode 1 in a sold out show in 1999 and it played out like a silent movie. Nobody reacted to anything.. And no I am NOT defending the sequels because outside of FA those were also terrible..
@@dbreiden83080 I also saw them in the theaters and was part of the online hardcore debates and discussions leading up to and during their release. I have similar problems with them, but the story is generally good. And some of the scenes and characters are too. But it's the execution that tends to be bad. In my book all of the sequels are absolute abominations, including FA. Only good thing about those movies were the visual effects. And that's it.
Marcia Lucas is my hero. Absolutely nailed it. She also said: "Kathy Kennedy and J.J. Abrams don't have a clue about Star Wars. They don't get it. Absolutely, positively there was no rhyme or reason to it. I thought, 'You don't get the Jedi story. You don't get the magic of Star Wars." 👏
What’s so strange about the sequel trilogy is that it very much to me felt like episodes 10, 11 & 12. Like we missed a whole trilogy involving Luke rebuilding the Jedi and Ben Solo’s fall to the dark side. Ironically the backstory of Force Awakens was what many people were really interested in.
@@rindernetz1061 I mean Terminator Genisys came out in 2015. That year they de-aged Arnold. Before that you had Orlando Bloom in the Desolation of Smaug, Patrick Stewart in X-Men the last stand and Brad Pitt in Benjamin Button. But I will admit these experienced wildly varying degrees of success. The tech wasn’t perfect, but the possibility was there.
@@rindernetz1061 That’s why I pointed out that these were met with varying degrees of success… I remember Arnold’s de-aging in Genysis was met with a mostly positive reception. I for one was impressed. It’s funny that only a year later in 2016 we got Robert Downey Jr. de-aged in CA: Civil War. Although we also got Tarkin in Rogue One that year… Perhaps if Disney hadn’t rushed the production of the sequels as they reportedly did, de-aging the cast would have been extremely possible in a decent amount of time.
No one was going to be able to make a satisfying Movie Nine after the passing of Carrie. Audiences have a lot of freedom to imagine other films without being actual filmmakers. The sequels are imperfect, derivative, and the best films which could be made in those conditions. (The studio did not have the money to de-age the cast to "show on screen" the backstory....until The Force Awakens became the number one film in United States' history.) Someone had to do something, selling the studio to someone who would make those tough decisions was the best thing for everyone. The previous studio had no impetus to continue making films given that their video game content was far more profitable, and less caustic.
@@ArthurX-eg8bc They knew a year in advance that Carrie Fisher wouldn't be around to film Episode IX, but they still killed off Luke and kept Leia alive in The Last Jedi. They knew the bridge collapsed and drove off it anyway.
@@mariokarter13 It wouldve required massive reshoots and a big restructuring of the film., which is something they were already deep into on Rogue One and Solo. I dont think Kennedy couldve justified a third set of reshoots like that!
Exactly. The acting was solid. And the directors did well with what they were working with. The special affects too. But, the “logical progression” that the previous 6 movies had was missing. I loved the prequels. And even the prequel haters admitted that episodes 1, 2, & 3 still had coherent story telling after seeing the Disney trilogy.
@@roldanrosario8292my guy the last three was straight trash. The acting from the new characters was horrible. Second to rewrite the movie of rehashed episode 4 instead of take a storybroad from the creator was disrespectful and conniving. The dialect was missing from the last three on top the leading of certain characters. Lastly the company disregarded Colin Trevorrow story that sound far better than bring back a dead character was a slap in many fans face
Correction: Lucas wasn't going to scrap the entire EU, just the parts that contradicted his sequels (with a few notable exceptions, these parts aren't very beloved by the community, I should note). This isn't very surprising, either. He has always refused to acknowledge the EU continuations of his story, he's very consistent about that.
Yeah even though he signed off on making them, contradicting his own self. Look at his entire Clone Wars Multimedia Project timeline and how a few years later he completely destroys it with the 2008 CGI 3D The Clone Wars movie & series. He's known to do this with his established EU and LucasArts games.
@@cbfwebs Yeah Lucas had an unhinged grasp of canon. Everything exterior to his films was "canon" when it was shiny and new, then suddenly not canon the moment he got bored with it
It's more extensive than you think. No Vong or Imperial Remnant, so basically NJO and everything after it is non -canon, and the leadup to those changes drastically. Then there are subtler differences like integration of Order 66 survivors from get-go, so works like Jedi Academy trilogy don't look so good either.
So here's the thing. George Lucas is an awesome "Big Picture" guy who can put the elements of an epic together. Then someone takes his epic, refines the dialogue, edits the world-building and politics, and walla - a masterpiece. Disney wanted a quick guaranteed return on its investment. Too bad there were too many big egos to get in the way and spoil an epic opportunity at another trilogy.
I agree with Lucas selling the franchise to the highest bidder, pocketing the money, retiring, and spending more time with his family. He had done his part in making great movies.
@@christuffer Even without Lucas saying it, I don't view Disney's sequels as canonical. They are shitty movies made for money. Worse than that, they tried to ruin the previous good stories and good characters.
Yeah, by the time he sold it I agree but if he still loved filmmaking, he could have had provisions set forth that he had a soft veto power or something. He didn't HAVE to dedicate 10 years of his life to the sequels
I will be eternally fascinated by what could have been Lucas’ Sequel Trilogy. There are things I love about Disney’s sequel trilogy and there are things I absolutely can’t stand about it (especially in The Last Jedi), but I can’t help but wish we could have seen Lucas’ vision for the rest of his story brought to life. It just feels wrong that he never got to personally wrap up the stories of Luke, Han, and Leia. I can’t help but wonder… how does someone so smart and so business-savvy such as George Lucas NOT contractually guarantee his involvement in the films and simply leaves it up to, “Gee, I hope they’ll let me be involved”??
@@Bulletsandblockbusters, George hired Kathleen Kennedy to be his successor specifically because he believed he could still have some influence over the story with her at the helm. He actually worked quitely closely with Micheal Arndt, Lawrence Kasdan, and J.J. Abrams early on during the production of Epsiode Vll. But then, later on, he left the project. It's not exactly clear why he left or when, but it's very likely that he left the project very late into the year-long stretch when they were still using his treatment for Episode Vll, and that he left due to creative differences about the pre-production and/or fimmaking process. After that, Bob Iger, Kennedy, J.J. and Alan Horn met together and decided to scrap George's treatment altogether, likely at the behest of J.J., because that resulted in Micheal being fired as screenwriter and being replaced by none other than J.J. (along with Lawrence).
He was (is) old and tired. He spent most of his career swimming upstream in Hollywood. He had to fight the studio system and basically invent a ton of technologies. People kept begging him to make more movies, and when he did, the fans said he ruined them and bullied his actors. Plus, the time he spent making Star Wars largely cost him his marriage. I think he was tired of getting caught between Hollywood and fans. He often talks about how he didn't get to make the films he wanted to make.
Being a nice guy is not why he did Disney Star Wars sequel trilogy. Disney gave the impression he would get to share screen time with Harrison and Carrier. By the time he learned that was not happening he had signed the contract and was obligated to do the films. I think his entire motivation for coming back to Star Was was in line with Harrison and Carrie's involvement with the then new films. If they had declined to return I'm sure he would not have come back.
@@briangregory8223he was under contract. The character of Luke Skywalker & Lucas's legacy mean a lot to him. Had he known what Disney had in mind, I'm confident he wouldn't have been a part of it.
These ideas are infinitely better than what we got from disney. Even when Lucas’s ideas aren’t well executed (the prequels) the politics are believable and the world building is so interesting that it engrosses you into that universe.
@@mcfreezy6805 The movies just opened the gate and The Clone Wars filled it out. It's never possible for any movie to go deep in big overarching story. Movie always are surface level
I can't speak for the whole of George's vision for the sequels, but this sounds like a huge improvement of the Luke Skywalker arc. As you said, much more in line with the Luke we loved from the original trilogy.
8:19 Yikes! You can almost feel the metaphorical knife sliding into George on that stage when he's asked that question 😮 Almost feels like he's talking directly to the Marvel MCU's Loki in disguise 😅
The core elements were all there - didn't take much to keep the fans engaged. Just having a coherent storyline through each film would have done wonders. Having Luke, Leah and Han be the main leads in all should have been a no-brainer. Can't believe how much Disney ruined this.
This is completely untrue. Just look at the videos that really explain Lucas' scripts to see that the stories had nothing to do with the catastrophic postlogy.
Are you beyond dumb they WERE the leads in the trilogy Han dominates TFA, Luke dominates TLJ, and Colin wrote Leia and Rey to be dominant in his version of episode 9. Stop putting on a tinfoil and actually watch the films. Thanks.
It doesn't have "Somehow, Palpatine returned." and about a thousand planet-destroying starships from UNKNOWN SOURCES and staffed by WHO KNOWS WHO from WHO KNOWS WHERE. It's a massive improvement over what Disney gave us. Episodes 7 and 8 had problems, but I would have forgiven them if episode 9 made any sense whatsoever.
Bro what?! They turned Luke into Jake Skywalker during TLJ. The guy who saw the good in Darth Vader couldnt see the good in his own Nephew? 7 and 8 were TRASH.
@@jonahmoran3751 Well, 7 had Han die in front of two strangers he just met hours ago, had the same "Destroy the Deathstar" trope, and introduced the First Order without any background. For Episode 8 and 9 to top that mess is truly amazing and terrible in itself.
Return of the Jedi is the grand finale, even more so with the prequels in mind. The sequel trilogy was doomed at conception to be honest. It's very difficult to continue the story without invalidating the heroes' victory. I do like the concepts of the difficulties rebuilding the republic and the fact that the Whills would be explored in more depth. I also wonder how Lucas would have framed the sequels. The original trilogy was 'The Adventures of Luke Skywalker'. However with the prequels, Lucas reframed the saga as 'The Tragedy of Darth Vader', with the prequels describing Anakin's fall and the originals portraying his redemption. Logically, the sequels would therefore show 'The Legacy of Anakin Skywalker'. This is more of a craftsman's approach, which is unfortunately lost on Disney/Hollywood, but which I would have appreciated, and would perhaps have been more resonant.
Agreed until Kathleen Kennedy destroyed all the legacy characters on purpose and cut all of Force ghost Anakin's scenes from the sequel finale. All while wearing a Force is Female toxic wokeness shirt. Somehow is still employed??
@@jred201 Disney took them seriously enough to pay 4 billion USD for the rights to make more of them. Maybe all those space wizards and laser swords should have devalued it to like 20 cents.
They should have started the next trilogy in a later period, long after that of the OT. I'd argue for centuries afterward. That provides a clear victory for the heroes of the OT, showing that they managed to restore the Republic and Luke could reconstitute the Jedi order. Setting the new story much later gives ample time for a completely new threat to emerge, and for the restored Republic to have undergone decay, corruption, polarization, etc. rendering it more vulnerable to the new threat. You could tell a great story in such a setting, without undercutting the achievements of the heroes of the OT. You could still have featured Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, and Carrie Fisher in flashbacks of "historical" footage, showing their role in reestablishing the Republic, but paving the way for an entirely new generation of heroes for the new story.
My dream is that there will some day be a trilogy about the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. To met that would have been the perfect setting for a final trilogy. What could be a bigger threat than an entire species cut off from the Force? You could have had Abeloth and the Mortis storyline tie in, Luke's New Jedi Order, the New Republic falling and reforging, Paelleon's Imperial Remnent joining forces at a crucial battle and turning the tide, Chewbacca and Anakin Solo's sacrifices, etc. Would have been such a dynamic and thematic conclusion to the saga imo
8:52 I think ,at first, Lucas' sequel trilogy would've gotten the same, or even worse reaction that the prequels got. Mainly coz of Han Solo being killed, him and Leia having to split up to try and rebuild the republic, and Luke still becoming an secluding himself and feeling lost, etc. But overtime people would come to like them, just like how people are finally liking the prequels. Especially since there will be context for all the radical changes.
As someone who was a fan of Star Wars from before even seeing the original movie (It was released in 1978 in the UK, but, heck, we knew all about it by then), I'd just like to say that however appealing from a filmmakers point of view it might be to have Luke fall from grace, be embittered and miserable, it's just not what I wanted to see. I'm sure I'm not the only one of my generation, and perhaps subsequent ones, who has gazed into a sunset and known exactly how he felt in that iconic scene. And it was iconic. It summed up with just acting and music how so many of us felt. Through all his whingeing, headstrong antics and arguing with everyone who knew better than him, Luke was always optimistic. He may be saddened at Ben's death and frustrated at Yoda's refusal to teach him all about the Force before Monday morning, but underneath, he always believed that things could be better. And that's the Luke we didn't just _want_ to see, but _needed_ to see.
Kenobi was young and optimistic too once, look where that path led him. His hubris that he thought he was ready to teach was in part responsible for the Anakin's fall and the destruction of the Jedi Order. Once he defeated Anakin rather than end it mercifully he left him to suffer and die slowly on Mustafar. After doing nothing but watch for 30 years, he began to train Vader's son to mold him into a warrior that could kill Vader, without telling him Vader was his father, a liar. Kenobi has taken the wrong lesson from his failure with Anakin, better to lie to Luke about his attachments so they never have a chance to control him. In the end Kenobi chose to martyr himself to stiffen Luke's resolve to kill Vader by removing another attachment, rather than escape to actually further Luke's training. In contrast, Luke internalizes and takes ownership of his failure to properly teach Ben as well as the students that left with him willingly, something Kenobi never did. He is miserable because he cared so much and so he is crushed that he played a part in Ben and the other's turning to Snoke. In Rey he sees the same youth and overflowing optimism he used to have and it bugs him a little bit which is why he treats her with light derision and condescension. Kenobi continued to believe in his core teaching, he just believed his methodology was flawed (this time instead of trying to overcome your student's attachments, lie and deny he has any), whereas Luke began to doubt his method *and* the core teachings of the Jedi after his failure with Ben, which was another reason he was reluctant to train Rey. What is the proper emotional response if everything you believed in and have strived to rebuild over 34 years you now believe is always fated to end in catastrophic failure? Luke somewhat unfairly puts it upon Rey to try and change his mind over 3 lessons. That's why its a shame they made Luke's 3rd lesson a deleted scene as it showed a lighter side of Luke, clarified a bit more about his positions on the matter, articulated Rey's feelings about Luke's condescension, etc. I think that sequence was well worth trimming out a few Rey running shots and a bit of dancing to tighten it up to keep it in the film. It shows that Rey did begin to change Luke's mind through criticism, as in the next scene he reconnects to The Force to get the lay of the land in the galaxy. It also explains why Rey turns away from Luke to the Dark Side cave and opens herself further to Kylo's guidance. I think Luke then came to find Rey to apologize, but her connecting with Kylo and the revelations about what Luke had done broke them apart again.
@@GuardianOwl I'm always annoyed that the movie has minutes of Luke jumping around his little island that somehow made the cut instead of the deletes scene with Rey. Also on top of everything you just wrote, Luke was what, 22, when he saved Vader? I thought I had the world figured out then too.
Interestingly enough, it seems that Lucas' Maul story vaguely played out in Rebels. We saw just a snippet of it, as Maul ran Mandalore for a bit as a kind of crime boss.
The story concept yes sounds much much better, but you could do the same with the prequels...tons of great ideas on story boards, but then Lucas' terrible dialogue and directing in addition to other flaws. We saw what a modern Lucas Star Wars movie looks like...in fact 3 times, and each of them were worse than any of the sequels IMO(with revenge of the sith being the strongest almost despite itself because it's almost impossible to show the rise of Vader and have it be all bad)
@@mattm7798 I partially agree with you. At least the prequels were orignal and trying to take big swings, and had a strong story throughout the movies. The sequels are the opposite of all these things, and mostly just copied the originals Badly. That’s how I see them anyway. I feel Revenge of the Sith is a great film, maybe the third best behind hope and empire
@@JamesTateWilson Revenge of the Jedi is infinitely better. People tend to go away from RotJ hating on it because of the Ewoks, but the entire set-up flows perfectly from the angry Jedi in TESB to an impassioned one in the first half of RotJ to the mature introspective and humble Jedi in the 2nd half scenes with Darth Vader. In some ways, RotJ re-frames A New Hope by including the rescue of Han Solo as thee swashbuckling Saturday morning action serial (or whatever that day was for Americans), and then developing the rest of the film into a mature exploration of character.
Lucas should have written the story outlines for the sequels but let someone else actually write the scripts and direct them like how he did for Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. At the very least this would have been better and more coherent than what we got.
@@NIPPY.415 His mistake was assuming that Disney would follow his outlines - there was nothing in the contract that required them to. As smart as George Lucas is, it was foolish to make an assumption like that.
Lucas was not smart enough to put it in the contract, even though he thought what he was selling was the outlines, it is not legally binding unless it is written and signed. Bob Iger revealed some of these details in his book after he "resigned" as Disney CEO the first time. A handshake was stupid. Doesn't hold up in court and as smart as he was in the 70's & 80's I feel he lost alot of that as he aged and went through his family trauma. Old George Lucas is now just bitter and can't take accountability. He decided to sell because internet trolls giving him grief about some of his silly decisions in the prequels. I also personally believe placing all his LucasArts bets on The Old Republic MMO that went Free-to-Play within 6 months is also a BIG reason. But, the answer wasn't to sell off the company. It's like he never heard of just tuning them out and not going to where everyone talks crap??
Would have loved to have seen this version it sounds so good. So much better than what Disney gave us. It's a shame we'll never see this alternate version. Star wars would have been a continuing story
I actually read a book called “The Star Wars Archives: Episodes 1-3 1999-2005” It’s full of interviews of George Lucas about the prequels and at the end of it George talks about his plans for the sequels. Most of what you said in this video checks out, but I’m not sure Luke would’ve died. Because in the book George said he never enjoyed killing humans in his movies. Most of the humans that died in the OT were on the Death Star and he felt bad about it. Besides that, pretty much the only other human deaths we got were Stormtroopers, but they were faceless, when the OT came out they could’ve been droids for all we knew like I thought when I was a kid, think it even mentions in the book somewhere that people thought they were droids. It also says in the book that by the end of George’s sequel trilogy Luke would’ve rebuilt the Jedi Order. It never says anything about him dying. I can see Han dying since Harrison Ford wanted Han to die in RoTJ, and I can possibly see Leia having to die too because of what happened to Carrie Fisher (Rest in Peace) but I think at least Luke would’ve got a happy ending.
If George let others direct, or at least was not surrounded by "yes" men, his sequel trilogy would've worked well. It would've at least been far more consistent than Disney's mess.
Yep. A lot of respect for Lucas's work, but he's not great at directing actors and dialogue. A lot of the prequels could've been improved with better line delivery. Experienced actors like Neeson, Portman, Macgregor and Jackson came across as wooden. Christensen never stood a chance😂
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Great ideas man, sucks at the details😆 I'm old enough to have seen the originals at the cinema and after Disney's mess, am ready to move on from Star Wars. I'd love to see some fresh, new IPs rather than endless Marvel/DC/Star Wars/Bond etc. Younger generations deserve their own characters/worlds rather than the endless recycled 50+ year old franchises. There's definitely a place for the old stuff, but it shouldn't dominate like it does.
I think it was fine that Lucas didn't want to direct the sequals. He didn't direct episodes 5 and 6, but was in control of the story telling. I think if he was put into a similar situation, the sequals would have been great.
Actually even his story telling went through multiple editors for all 3 Original movies. Its why theyre good movies. Unlike the prequels where he got full creative freedom.
@@eightcoins4401 i didn't say he wrote the scripts. just always in charge of how things were going to pan out. i wish people were willing to question george when the prequals came out. i do like those movies, but they could have been something really great if more people were involved.
Yes, just based on the fact that he had an idea of what the full story would be, these movies would have been better. That was the entire problem with the sequels: the writers/directors had no concern for an overarching story and made 3 different movies that are a trilogy in name alone.
Even worse, they didn't picked up on any random story, but from an original trilogy that was made up as they went along. In the first movie Darth Vader was not a "darth", he was not Anakin Skywalker, and Luke and Leia weren't siblings. And I imagine George thanks his intuition every night to NOT have Vader die in the explosion of the Death Star. They managed to conjure up a more complex story without retconning A New Hope too much, and the lesson Disney learnt from it is "don't have an overarching plan"? geez.
All of that stuff about the whills kills me that we won’t see that. That sounded just as fascinating as the idea of the force itself, he was really onto something
Darth Maul would’ve been so good as the Big Bad and then having Darth Talon as the Heavy Bad would’ve been absolutely fantastic. I’m so sad that it went down like this.
The Zahn books may have some flaws, but I don't think there is an OT fan out there who wouldn't have loved to see his books adapted to the screen, that scene with Luke and the Noghri alone would have been worth it and Thrawn's interactions with Palleon, the scheming and machinations... I truly loved those books and will always be deeply disappointed in the sequels we did get
@@kermitthehemprainy Honestly Disney trying so hard to give fans what they want is exactly why these movies came out like they did. If they had confidence in what George had set up for them and allowed him to stay on as a primary consultant, the movies would have been very different and taken the franchise in a new direction unlike the ones that came before it. And at the time, fans didn't want that and so Disney made sure they didn't do that. People forget about how much George and his ideas were hated at that time because of the prequels.
Timothy Zahn wrote a really good trilogy. I think Disney bought those too. And they had access to the whole power vacuum that brought Thrawn to power. The Imperial Remnant. Heck Lucas could have even kept Mara Jade as evil and it would have been AWESOME!
If that's any consolation, Disney gave Zahn a lot of dollarydoo's to write a different Thrawn trilogy, and also his characters are being repurposed and re-integrated into the new canon. That might eventually include Mara Jade. Whether it's for the better or for the worse, I'll leave the judgement to you.
@@thecandlemaker1329 Two trilogies actually, and yes seeing Filoni adapting the Heir to the Empire story with some of his own characters added and some completely new ones (Baylan and Shin, honestly hoping for them to be good) makes me hopefull
@@wankertanker1813 From the words of Star wars author JW Rinzler: "George hated Mara Jade". And from the words of Dave Filoni: ( George didn't care about the EU, books, and comics. The movies and animated shows are all that mattered."
So Lucas might have planned this for years, so my criticism might be unfair, but I am a little tired of them bringing back old characters just to show that their happy ending went in misery instead. I think I should be happy with what we got of Lucas, 6 films that tight in nicely. The new trilogy have great acting, great cinematography, great effects, but the story and consistency is a mess. Thanks for sharing.
This could’ve absolutely been revised. They could’ve restructured this to where the OT gang and their new establishments DON’T suffer and make the original victory look pointless, rather they’re established as having come to this new battle that they’re only up for BECAUSE they did well before. They still coulda shown how the OT gang handles everything better than those who came before. Old Republic, High Republic, Galactic Empire, and in between. In the words of Count Dooku to Darth Maul, paraphrased: _“You’re learning quickly that seizing power is a lot easier than maintaining it.”_
Alot of those endings come from Disney really wanting the OG actors - when most of them were sick of Star Wars by the time they made Return of the Jedi
In either case, a sequel was ultimately unnecessary and was always going to be weaker than the original trilogy. Tolkien also had started a sequel to Lord of the Rings and ultimately stopped because he realized it just would be inferior to the original.
The Lord of the Rings was a sequel to the Silmarillion. Which wasn't even published in Tolkien's lifetime. I think he made the right decision with the New Shadow. Not a very good story. His unfinished the lost road is a very good one though. Wish he had finished that and the longer Beren, and the longer fall of gondolin.
@@matthewgaudet4064 Agree. They didn't need a new Shadow in the lifetime of Aragorn and his son. But if Leia wasn't Luke's sister, but Ben lied and said she was, then there could be a story there with the long-lost sister and the challenge to bring order to the galaxy in a New Republic.
@@sandal_thong8631, knowing Lucas and the prequel love triangle between Ben,Leia's mom and Anakin, it is entirely possible Ben Kenobi was Luke's father. If Lucas hadn't set upon Vader. A what if.
That's right. In both Universes there were hundreds of years of stability before the crises faced and overcome. It stands to reason that what happens after wouldn't be as epic. Not that they aren't fun to explore but not on that scale.
Yeah, like they said, The Mandalorian tv show is basically a western in space and shows that lawless period he mentioned, and until season 3, it was great. Seeing the rise of the first order would have been really cool instead of "oh here's another totalitarian gov't that magically is in total power now...also why they decided not to explain at all who Snoke was....like that's writing 101. How did they miss that?!?!?!?!
@@mattm7798 the behind the scenes special may help give a better look into what Season 3 was trying to accomplish. From what I read part of it may have been finding his place into the clan. Oh and about those rumors. John Favro said that there was no sabotage and any decisions made was his and not anyone else's.
I really have always wanted them to explore the clone wars era more. There's so so so much good potential content there, a many good stories to be told and fleshed out
Everyone keeps saying the senate scenes from the prequels were boring. Can you tell me which one? Literally just watched these movies and I don’t remember any of the senate scenes dragging or being boring, they were some of the coolest moments of the trilogy.
I think George at least would've had a much more consistent overarching story to his trilogy. It wouldn't have been entirely made up as it went along by a pair of combative filmmakers constantly undercutting each others' creative decisions. The senate scenes in the prequels were well done. Palpatine's plot was devious and realistic. "So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause" is an iconic line. The Lucas vision is much better than what we actually have. There are a lot more interesting concepts than recycled storylines. What’s so strange about the sequel trilogy is that it very much felt like episodes 10, 11 & 12. Like we missed a whole trilogy involving Luke rebuilding the Jedi and Ben Solo’s fall to the dark side. Ironically the backstory of Force Awakens was what many people were really interested in. I don't see how it could have been any worse than what we got. At least this has a coherent story arc and is a logical progression of the story. Marcia Lucas said it best in regards to Disney's crappy sequels..."It sucks." 100% spot on. These ideas are infinitely better than what we got from Disney. Even when Lucas’s ideas aren’t well executed (the prequels) the politics are believable and the world-building is so interesting that it engrosses you into that universe. Maul was/is actually such a dope villain, would've loved to see more of him. What they did with Luke in Sequels was unforgivable. Mark Hammil has said as much, he should have walked away but he's too nice a guy. As someone who was a fan of Star Wars before even seeing the original movie (It was released in 1978 in the UK, but, heck, we knew all about it by then), I'd just like to say that however appealing from a filmmakers point of view it might be to have Luke fall from grace, be embittered and miserable, it's just not what I wanted to see. I'm sure I'm not the only one of my generation, and perhaps subsequent ones, who have gazed into a sunset and known exactly how he felt in that iconic scene. And it was ironic. It summed up with just acting and music how so many of us felt. Through all his whingeing, headstrong antics, and arguing with everyone who knew better than him, Luke was always optimistic. He may be saddened at Ben's death and frustrated at Yoda's refusal to teach him all about the Force before Monday morning, but underneath, he always believed that things could be better. And that's the Luke we didn't just want to see but needed to see. Correction: Lucas wasn't going to scrap the entire EU, just the parts that contradicted his sequels (with a few notable exceptions, these parts aren't very beloved by the community, I should note). This isn't very surprising, either. He has always refused to acknowledge the EU continuations of his story, he's very consistent about that. I agree with Lucas selling the franchise to the highest bidder, pocketing the money, retiring, and spending more time with his family. He had done his part in making great movies. I like that idea.
I dont understand how any evil in the form of the sith can even exist after the original trilogy. It literally defeats the purpose and undermines the whole story. Sequels should have been Thrawn. Sometimes less is more.
I think that Lucas' trilogy would have both been better than what we got, but also have gotten a negative reaction knowing star wars fans. But one of the biggest missed opportunities to me is that, knowing how much Lucas likes doing call backs ("rhyming" his movies), I can just imagine him ending 9 with a shot similar to the last shot of ep 4, but instead of them celebrating destroying the death star, they'd celebrate the rise of the New Republic.
I honestly want to see Lucas's sequel trilogy put to screen. It would've been better than what we got, probably better than the prequels. But we'll probably never get to see them.
While George Lucus' script holds many similar ideas to the sequel trilogy, his version of the story line is far more complete (even given its outline status) and shows many of the details that were missed in the movies that we actually got. These missing details, to me at least, are the difference between a story making sense and holding the viewers imagination verses bunch of scenes with jarring gaps in the plot leading to audience dissatisfaction and disaffection. Also, I am glad to see that he wouldn't have tried to revive Palpatine. That choice was one of shear desperation caused by the production team allowing Rian Johnson to pretty much do anything he wanted on the second movie making a third installment that actually makes sense nearly impossible. He truly earned the moniker 'Ruin Johnson' on that one!
George's idea for the sequels sounds much better than what Disney made. It could have shown the attempt to rebuild the Republic after the fall of the Empire. They could have included TV series to cover what couldn't be added to the films. That was something that Extended Universe covered, the aftermath and the struggle to restore the Republic. As there would be factions grabbing for power like the Imperial Warlords. Supporters of the Empire that were corrupt and wanted their power back or those who believe in the New Order and attempt to fulfill that promise, the Imperial Remnant and similar fractions. There would be factions who didn't like the Empire, but remember the failures of the Republic. It would have been a great development that fans never saw.
Dude this original script sounds fantastic. These are the only things I would change: I would give Luke a wife & children(to continue the Skywalker family tree), and I wouldn’t have Han & Leia separated(these divorce side stories are annoying). Anyway, I wish we got this Sequel story. Princess Leia being the true chosen one is very interesting. Also I love the original EU but I would be ok with George Lucas wanting to start from scratch. Mainly because I know he would create amazing new stories(But maybe keep Kyle Katarn lol 😂).
The only problem I have with this plan is making Maul the head of evil. We already saw this character bested by Obi Wan and Palpatine which makes him not as credible a threat as people want to believe. Also, I like what we got in Rebels where his death is at the hands of a now older Obi Wan and they are both able to show understanding towards one another despite their hate.
I disagree. I think him being bested by Obi-Wan again in Rebels is just like TFA; rehashing what we've already seen. I think it would be more interesting for him to reappear and have revenge, and this time it would take a team of people to stop him.
Agreed. I've never liked the character of Darth Maul, so I wouldn't be excited about seeing him as the main bad guy in the sequel trilogy. In Ep. 1, he seemed to serve no purpose to the story other than to provide an opponent for Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon so that we could see some cool lightsaber fights. The way I look at it, he was very clearly killed by Obi-Wan in Ep. 1, and he should have stayed dead.
Yes, but this is a much older Maul, who has learned from his youthful mistakes and become much more dangerous. Could have been a great character. I agree that Maul as presented in Phantom Menace was very one-dimensional, but he could have been so much more. The basic premise for the character was great - the mysterious double-lightsaber-wielding, satanic looking, Sith assassin. They just failed to develop the character into anything more than a throwaway villain and that was one of the reasons that TPM was a bit of a disappointment compared with what it could have been.
Tbh, we have Maul and Talon, then Han's son. So lets just have Talon seduce Han's son and then they could both kill maul and now be the two top dog. Id like that twist. Maybe is the final thing that push the son to the dark side. So yud think maul is back and is the big evil, but in the end of ep 8 hed just died and then for the final ep. Yud have a completely new dynamic to explore with Talon + Son duo vs Luke + girl
just the short abridging of what could have been sounds infinitely more interesting. I really wish we got a return of Maul and his apprentice Darth Talon over Emo Vader and Man with no Inside Voice.
I've been really enjoying your videos. They're well put together and ably illustrated by footage. You do a good job of addressing the problems and differences. Good stuff.
I thought you were going to talk about Lucas' original vision for the sequel trilogy that he thought of when writing the original trilogy. Where's that idea of Luke's sister who wasn't Leia?
As strange as his ideas were for diving into how The Force works, etc, I do believe he would have at least maintained a more cohesive story that didn't just wing it from one episode to the next. That's what I've always said about the prequels. Setting aside some of the glaring issues of those movies at least you can summarize the trilogy in a sentence or two that makes sense.
Rey and Kylo were not bad character concepts. In fact, they had the chance to be some very meaningful characters. The way Disney wrote the scripts was what made the sequels so painful to watch. Sidius coming back discredits everything Luke and Vader accomplished in the original trilogy. Luke being discouraged in the sequels was a great idea, but again the way Disney went about it left a lot of fans pissed off. If they had started The Last Jedi showing the tragedy of Luke as a whole, it would’ve been received better.
The concept of relating the force in midi-chlorians into a probiotic bacteria in your gut, giving a rhetorical relation to that intuition feeling in your gut, it’s pretty genius storytelling in my opinion
What Could Have Been: George Lucas' SEQUEL Trilogy :- Even if the movies were bad, we wouldn't be having sjw's screaming misogynist for not liking them
Yep,. if they could had a movie dealing with Luke building the Jedi and his falling out along with the turning of Han's son would have been amazing and made the story a lot better to say the least.
Say what you will about Lucas dialogues, but there is no doubt the man knows how to tell a story. And he would have actually respected his own lore. Star Wars is I-VI. The rest is just fanfiction
The interesting thing about all this is that they are making a sequel film about Rey Skywalker rebuilding the Jedi Order after the fall of the First Order so, in a way, they could still repurpose a lot of these ideas, and even give Lucas some story credit as well.
so further copy his work even more lol. he was already disappointed with ep7, i dont think he would be fond of giving the story he had written for Luke be given to Rey. He would want them to be original probably
Lucas is the anti-JarJarAbrams. He's all about innovating and evolving even at the cost of alienating the fans, whereas Abrams is about pandering to the fans at the cost of the film's quality and originality.
I think the midichlorian/whills thing is solid. It may not have been important in the scene when Quigon Jinn said it, but it builds the world up. It also shows that the Jedi were also keen on scientific expansions of the force, just as palpatine was. Works for me.
I hate the whole "Somehow Darth Maul survived" thing that started in the Clone Wars. That was one of the things that started drawing me away from the show back in the day. It's thanks to that Disney now thinks getting stabbed with a lightsaber isn't always fatal.
The sequels are dog-💩on the sidewalk; the prequels are dog-💩in a bag on the sidewalk. Yeah, first one makes you appreciate the second one more, but it's still 💩.
@@sandal_thong8631the prequels are not dog shit. Especially Revenge of the Sith. Love the originals and the prequels, but these new ones are an absolute disgrace to the entire story.
Disney actually believed they knew better than the creator himself 🤣🤣🤦🏻🤦🏻 The girl who was the Jedi apprentice was Han and Leia's daughter Keira.. her and Skyler were supposed to be twins. Also the whole thing about Luke secluding himself on an island being a George Lucas idea is total fake news and has been debunked many many times already! Also, where are you getting this "info" that Han would have died by his son's hands in George Lucas's trilogy?
The fact that this is inspired by the events on the war on terror, I think is very interesting. To me of these it’s a very natural progression of the series.
Would have been interesting to merge some of his ideas with the Expanded Universe going foward. Having Kira and the Jedi Killer (Luke and Kyle's failed student), as well as bringing in Darth Plagueis as the ultimate villain for the Sequel Trilogy. The overall plot being the heroes finding a way to kill Plagueis after he cheated death and restore order to the galaxy.
Watching this makes me realize that the ANH really was lightning in a bottle. Exactly the right people came together at exactly the right time to make something iconic and timeless. ESB was a straight-up miracle that nearly went off the rails a few times. The last 40 years have been everybody, Lucas included, trying to recapture that magic and usually failing. It's a shame too because it really is a rich universe with a lot of potential. I would have loved to have seen some sort of anthology series where a variety of authors and directors had an hour to come up with their own stories. Maybe someday.
The best films are usually because they had the right people, in the right place, at the right time, and that kind of "miracle" is something you just can't recreate, even if all the same people came back, because you can never recreate that feeling of uncertainty. The original Star Wars worked because they did not have the luxury of knowing they had a smash hit on their hands. Like the Rebel forces, they legitimately went out and gave it their all to a cause that only they believed in, and it's success was left to HOPE. Side note: As for your second comment about the anthology with a variety of authors and directors, I think that is what Star Wars: Visions is.
@@worldwideinterests1 Season 1 in 2021, and Season 2 in 2022. I have not seen it yet, only because I am trying to get through other Star Wars content first. If I remember correctly, Season 1 is mostly anime-style, which is partially why it has not moved further up my "to watch" list, but Season 2 may be more your cup of tea, with different animation styles, writers and creators. If I get to it anytime soon, I will let you know my thoughts.
IMO return of the jedi was already starting to show major cracks in Lucas' era star wars...after we got episode 1, we should have figured out "ok george doesn't have it anymore"
This was not the original idea for the sequels. This only developed after 2008 when George contradicted his own Clone Wars Timeline Multimedia Project by making the 3D CGI The Clone Wars movie/series, where the fans "saved" Darth Maul and George appeased them by having Dave Filoni resurrect the character. After this came the idea that Maul led the Black Sun crime syndicate and would take Talon from the comics to be the main antagonists for his sequels going forward, post-2008. He has had the sequels in his head for 40 years, going back and forth in the media and interviews on if he would actually make them. The original treatment was mostly scrapped, and this idea developed later.
People will always over criticize. I enjoyed the prequels. I think Hayden Christensen did a fantastic job as Anakin/Vader. Same with Ewan McGregor as Obi Wan. Both of them put their heart and soul into their characters. The sequels would have been much better if George Lucas got to finish telling his story. The sequels almost felt like they were made by people who never watched Star Wars, they just heard it from someone who heard it from someone who watched it. Thank you for the video!
Lucas’s version probably would have appealed to hardcore fans more but Disney wanted the average audience member back. Sad how in the end no one was particularly happy.
That's what happens when you play it safe and attempt to please everybody: you make a tired, unoriginal film that ends up pleasing no one, and lacking the creativeness, originality, and daring that made the original films great.
Not necessarily. His prequel trilogy made sense even if you didnt watch the OT; pretty sure the new trilogy would hv been fine for a new audience who didnt watch any of the old films, coz the new films are centred on new characters with the old characters in supporting roles. Lots of movie sequels hv been good enough to stand alone
Oh, some of us were very happy. Call it simple fandom or what have you, but there are those of us who just dig Star Wars. While some complained about Abrams, we just cheered Lando and kept on going.
With a few tweaks TFA could've been actually good, my take: 0. Change the title 1. Luke being a character in the movie 2. Rey being a newcomer to Luke's New Jedi Order 3. Kylo being an established best student there 4. Leia rebuilding the New Republic 5. A new evil approaches - Maul? Snoke? A completely new character? - rebuilding the Empire 6. That Villain is sending force visions to Kylo, which are wrongly interpreted by everyone as premonitions 7. The Villain beginning their conquest by destroying the New Jedi Order headquarters from orbit 8. Luke stays on site to help and heal the students that might have survived, while Rey and Kylo chase the villain, before Kylo is turned to the dark side by "the" Villain 9. Kylo easily overpowers Rey (best student vs newcomer) 10. Rey manages to escape from Kylo and "The" Villain" in an escape pod 11. Movie ends with Luke feeling bitter because he didn't realize what Kylo's visions were and blames himself for the murder of all his students, while Rey is stranded in space by herself and Leia is informed that an armada is heading towards Coruscant and she makes a hologram call - - "Han?" - "Oh, hello princess, I thought I'd never hear from you again" - Fade to black 1. The next film opens with Rey being found in deep space by The Millennium Falcon 2. They try to recruit Luke to help them, but he's in a deep meditation state and does not respond to them 3. Meanwhile Kylo Ren is leading the attack on Coruscant (or whatever the capital planet would be), Leia tries to reach out to him and stop him, but it's revealed he has his Sith eyes already That's all I thought out so far. The second film would be titled "The Force Awakens" and would end with Han being killed by Kylo, the capital planet of the New Republic being destroyed (Leia managed to escape), Rey being trapped by Kylo in a corridor/space shuttle/whatever, then cut to where Luke is meditating, He opens his eyes, Fade to black.
@@malcolmmilk I never said the tweaks were minor 🤣 But, you know, the basic plot points of the movies are kept here. Rey is still the main protagonist, Kylo becomes a darkside apprentice, Han and Leia are estranged, Han gets killed by Kylo, Luke is broken because he lost his all his apprentices and is left only with Rey to train, Luke is „unwilling” to help in the second movie, the New Republic planets get blown up, Leia reaches out to Kylo and fails to turn him, Kylo is being manipulated through force visions by the big baddy, etc It’s the same basic story beats, just told in a different order. The plot point I added that really changes the events is just that the story takes place ~10 years earlier and Rey is not a junk collector but a student of Luke’s.
Such a rich expanded universe that could have been explored. Not only that, but they didn’t make proper connections with further developments, like The Mandalorian as mentioned. Characters like Ahsoka, Thrawn, Mandalorian and Grogu didn’t appear in the sequels and Rey and Ben Solo in the series. I really have the feeling that the sequels and Disney series come from a different franchise with some original SW characters appereances. Another vital sequel characters such as Snoke and Finn were totally dismissible. Disney wasted so much potential that is almost unbelievable. In the other hand, the Prequels connects perfectly with the original Trilogy giving an impression of fullfilment. Besides all the critics and Jar Jar, it was incredible to see new and cool charcters that really add to the universe.
Lucas's vision of the Sequel Trilogy is much better than Disney's. And as a fan of James Cameron, I agreed on his criticism on the 'resentment to the things we have seen before' decision. Exploring the galactic criminal underworld led by Darth Maul's apprentice Darth Talon while the New Republic try and assert control across the galaxy would've been a great way to go.
I really love his ideas for his sequel trilogy but i think there are a few things that need some changes 1. Kira (taryn) and sam(skyler) should be the jacen and jaina solo of this trilogy and be the twin children of han and leia 2. Luke will still be in exile, but would raise his own family on tython with mara jade, luke is doing this because of something that he noticed within the force: everytime the sith and the jedi try to fight for over many many years, both factions can't find balance over the other, so luke would feel that if he stays out then the force might find balance,but he would be reinvegorated by kira and mara jade to return and do the right thing which leads me to: 3. We would get some world building about the force spirituality, and we would explore the gray area of the force ( i know george lucas stated that grey jedi don't exist but i felt like it would add somthing new to the universe of star wars). 4. Kylo ren becomes the main antagonist of the trilogy (i am choosing to remove maul because i really love how Clone wars and Rebels handled his character amd how his charcter ended). Also talon will be the secondary antagonist to kylo. And 5. Leia is not the chosen one, because the felt that when audience know of the chosen one, there minds would always go to anakin which is why i think leia shouldn't be the chosen one.
This sounds really really good. As you would expect. Its truely sad. Disneys buy and decision made them and Lucas a lot of Money but it also ruined the favorite franchise of Millions and I would even go as far as to say that it broke at least a few thousand super fans heart who have waited for this their entire lifes. This was a pretty sad event overall.
Here’s a list of things the Disney canon did right. If Lucas’ sequels get made, these should be kept: 1. Resurgent-class star destroyers - Not only are these things awesome, they improve on all the design flaws of the Imperial-class. These deserve to be up there with the Nebula-class from the EU. 2. BB-8 - Little dude had personality. Nowhere near R2’s level, but he’s definitely earned a place in the old canon. 3. Rogue One - Absolutely fantastic entry. It might conflict with the old canon, but this can easily be fixed with a retcon. Let’s be honest here, Kyle Katarn is remembered more for being a Jedi than anything else. We can give this one to Jyn and Kyle still keeps the majority of his character arc. 4. Red lightsabers must be “bled” - This is actually really clever, because it gives actual weight to having a red lightsaber. It always bothered me in the old canon that any Jedi/Sith could simply swap kyber crystals. But bleeding a lightsaber with enough anger and hatred to turn it red is something a Jedi could never do. 5. Fallen Order/Jedi Survivor - Cal is a promising Jedi and his story fits nicely into the old canon. Is he anywhere near as powerful other big name Jedi? No, but he’s still earned his right to be canon.
Doesn't matter if the story itself will be better or not, it sounds like the trilogy would've been much more coherent. I'll take the world-building of the prequels over the sequels any day of the week, even with all the bad dialogue.
I'm sure we still would've had a bunch of problems with it. We are Star Wars fans, after all. But I trust Lucas to have the story make more sense and exist to serve us a narrative instead of just slamming the nostalgia button every 30 seconds.
I think Lucas' story would've upset fans similar to the prequels but had the same level of continuity and world building that would allow critical reassessment in the future. All the ideas are fine it would just come down to execution. At this point I write off all disney content as legends and essentially fan films. Hopefully we get something out of it but in my heart of hearts SW starts and ends with Goerge Lucas (and to some extent Dave Filoni)
I think George at least would've had a much more consistent overarching story to his trilogy. It wouldn't have been entirely made up as it went along by a pair of combative filmmakers who were constantly undercutting each others' creative decisions.
Agreed!
And Lucas would have had atleast one reunion scene with Luke, Leia and Han in Episode 7. The fact that they didn’t have one scene together despite one of the most iconic trios ever is still mind boggling to me.
The Prequels felt like he was making it up as he went along.
@@ULYSSES-31 I disagree. You can question the execution but Lucas definitely had an arc for Anakin and Palpatine. Palpatine was a Senator, then the Chancellor and then the Dictator by Episode 3 so how he fooled the Jedi to get power was interesting. Anakin’s arc was always about fear and attachment, hence why Lucas started with a 10 year old boy leaving his mom in Episode 1. Again, you can question Lucas’s execution but the story arc for 1,2,3 is all there
@@chrisolivo6591 Those are themes and ideas. You could also write out the themes and ideas of the Sequels and it wouldn't sound much different. The problem is none of them are enough detail for a well planned story.
The Lucas vision is much better than what we actually got. A lot more interesting concepts instead of recycled storylines.
I love George Lucas but Whills and Midichlorians are a stupid idea. Hated the Disney sequels.
@@HULKHOGAN1Yeah, I hated the idea of Midichlorians. I think leaving it more ambiguous was a better idea.
Really? You actually like the idea of a microscopic world living in between all of the Star Wars characters? I would have hated that.
@@HabitualJoker bad is still better than trash.
@@UnknownAlien475 I think George’s would have been just as bad, if not worse than what we got. The Prequels were a giant step down from the OT, and he tarnished the OT with the Special Editions.
The senate scenes in the prequels were well done. Palpatine's plot was devious and realistic. "So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause" is an iconic line.
Yeah personally I liked the politics scenes. 99% of how sidious came to power was political manipulation. I think the whole point of it was to show that for thousands of years, the sith tried brutality and overt force and failed, but won when it came to the most evil game of all: politics
The story we got in the prequels was largely excellent. Some of the characters were excellent, some not so much. It was the overall execution of it all that was clunky or cringey at times, and could have gone better. But overall it was a good trilogy, especially compared to the abomination now called the sequel trilogy.
Yes but prior to that we had a comic relief character nobody could understand and Anakin babbling on about sand..
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Oh God no.. Episode 1 and 2 are terrible films. Jar Jar, Darth Maul has no screen time or motivations, Anakin is like 8 years old as if anyone cared about him being that young? Then Episode 2 we have the cringiest love story of all time followed by the worst acting in SW history. I am old enough to have seen those movies in theaters.. People hated them.. Critics and fans alike really hated them.. I saw Episode 1 in a sold out show in 1999 and it played out like a silent movie. Nobody reacted to anything.. And no I am NOT defending the sequels because outside of FA those were also terrible..
@@dbreiden83080 I also saw them in the theaters and was part of the online hardcore debates and discussions leading up to and during their release. I have similar problems with them, but the story is generally good. And some of the scenes and characters are too. But it's the execution that tends to be bad.
In my book all of the sequels are absolute abominations, including FA. Only good thing about those movies were the visual effects. And that's it.
Marcia Lucas is my hero. Absolutely nailed it. She also said: "Kathy Kennedy and J.J. Abrams don't have a clue about Star Wars. They don't get it. Absolutely, positively there was no rhyme or reason to it. I thought, 'You don't get the Jedi story. You don't get the magic of Star Wars." 👏
It is criminal that we didn't get Lucas' version of the Sequel Trilogy.
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What’s so strange about the sequel trilogy is that it very much to me felt like episodes 10, 11 & 12.
Like we missed a whole trilogy involving Luke rebuilding the Jedi and Ben Solo’s fall to the dark side.
Ironically the backstory of Force Awakens was what many people were really interested in.
Totally. Would’ve loved to have seen those events take place but at least we are getting some of it on the Disney shows.
@@rindernetz1061 I mean they’re using de-aging on Mark Hamil already. They even used it in the sequels for that flashback to the twins training.
@@rindernetz1061 I mean Terminator Genisys came out in 2015. That year they de-aged Arnold.
Before that you had Orlando Bloom in the Desolation of Smaug, Patrick Stewart in X-Men the last stand and Brad Pitt in Benjamin Button.
But I will admit these experienced wildly varying degrees of success. The tech wasn’t perfect, but the possibility was there.
That’s the gap the Mando and related shows will fill
@@rindernetz1061 That’s why I pointed out that these were met with varying degrees of success… I remember Arnold’s de-aging in Genysis was met with a mostly positive reception. I for one was impressed.
It’s funny that only a year later in 2016 we got Robert Downey Jr. de-aged in CA: Civil War. Although we also got Tarkin in Rogue One that year… Perhaps if Disney hadn’t rushed the production of the sequels as they reportedly did, de-aging the cast would have been extremely possible in a decent amount of time.
Marcia Lucas said it best in regards to Disney's crappy sequels..."It sucks." 100% spot on.
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No one was going to be able to make a satisfying Movie Nine after the passing of Carrie.
Audiences have a lot of freedom to imagine other films without being actual filmmakers. The sequels are imperfect, derivative, and the best films which could be made in those conditions. (The studio did not have the money to de-age the cast to "show on screen" the backstory....until The Force Awakens became the number one film in United States' history.)
Someone had to do something, selling the studio to someone who would make those tough decisions was the best thing for everyone. The previous studio had no impetus to continue making films given that their video game content was far more profitable, and less caustic.
@@ArthurX-eg8bc They knew a year in advance that Carrie Fisher wouldn't be around to film Episode IX, but they still killed off Luke and kept Leia alive in The Last Jedi. They knew the bridge collapsed and drove off it anyway.
Check out my sequel rewrite on my channel, I think everyone will thoroughly enjoy it
@@mariokarter13 It wouldve required massive reshoots and a big restructuring of the film., which is something they were already deep into on Rogue One and Solo. I dont think Kennedy couldve justified a third set of reshoots like that!
I don't see how it could have been any worse than what we got . At least this has a coherent story arc and is a logical progression of the story .
Ands it’s literally his story to tell. He GETS to tell a bad story if he wants because he created it. It is the authentic be-all-end-all.
Exactly. The acting was solid. And the directors did well with what they were working with. The special affects too. But, the “logical progression” that the previous 6 movies had was missing. I loved the prequels. And even the prequel haters admitted that episodes 1, 2, & 3 still had coherent story telling after seeing the Disney trilogy.
@@roldanrosario8292my guy the last three was straight trash. The acting from the new characters was horrible. Second to rewrite the movie of rehashed episode 4 instead of take a storybroad from the creator was disrespectful and conniving. The dialect was missing from the last three on top the leading of certain characters. Lastly the company disregarded Colin Trevorrow story that sound far better than bring back a dead character was a slap in many fans face
@@enoch927able its so funny that no one agrees with you. I just love when no one cares about your false statement
Regardless of your views on Lucas, his Sequels would have absolutely been made with sincerity unlike the spiteful, cynical nostalgiaslop we got.
That's true
Yes. There would’ve been artistic vision behind the films
I think the Timothy Zahn Heir to the Empire trilogy of books would have made a nice 7, 8, and 9.
They probably didn't need to be named 7, 8 or 9. The names of the novels would have been enough.
@@madgavin7568They would always need to be numbered because the earlier ones did. It's for consistency
Correction: Lucas wasn't going to scrap the entire EU, just the parts that contradicted his sequels (with a few notable exceptions, these parts aren't very beloved by the community, I should note). This isn't very surprising, either. He has always refused to acknowledge the EU continuations of his story, he's very consistent about that.
Yeah even though he signed off on making them, contradicting his own self. Look at his entire Clone Wars Multimedia Project timeline and how a few years later he completely destroys it with the 2008 CGI 3D The Clone Wars movie & series. He's known to do this with his established EU and LucasArts games.
He acknowledged it enough to cash them checks from the EU stuff though that's for sure!
@@cbfwebs Yeah Lucas had an unhinged grasp of canon. Everything exterior to his films was "canon" when it was shiny and new, then suddenly not canon the moment he got bored with it
It's more extensive than you think. No Vong or Imperial Remnant, so basically NJO and everything after it is non -canon, and the leadup to those changes drastically. Then there are subtler differences like integration of Order 66 survivors from get-go, so works like Jedi Academy trilogy don't look so good either.
@@mpnuorva Yes to Vong. The final season of the Clone Wars, as produced by Lucas, was going to include a Vong scout.
So here's the thing. George Lucas is an awesome "Big Picture" guy who can put the elements of an epic together. Then someone takes his epic, refines the dialogue, edits the world-building and politics, and walla - a masterpiece.
Disney wanted a quick guaranteed return on its investment. Too bad there were too many big egos to get in the way and spoil an epic opportunity at another trilogy.
I think you mean “voilà!”, which more or less translates to “that’s it!” from French.
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@@yael9137 walla is the butchered English slang. You know, like Nucular (Nuclear).
@@sstrange1973 no I don’t sorry 😬 I’m Australian. We keep our terrible pronunciation spoken rather than written out 😅
@@yael9137 Yeah, I was writing lazy....
I agree with Lucas selling the franchise to the highest bidder, pocketing the money, retiring, and spending more time with his family. He had done his part in making great movies.
If he buys it back, to then decanonise the sequels, like Disney discarded the EU, then doesn't make anything else, that would be a win.
@@christuffer Even without Lucas saying it, I don't view Disney's sequels as canonical. They are shitty movies made for money. Worse than that, they tried to ruin the previous good stories and good characters.
Yeah, by the time he sold it I agree but if he still loved filmmaking, he could have had provisions set forth that he had a soft veto power or something. He didn't HAVE to dedicate 10 years of his life to the sequels
@@mattm7798 Without him, even with all that money and that huge fan base, I still can't believe that Disney could make Star Wars that bad.
He only made 2 great films, American Graffiti and The original star wars
I will be eternally fascinated by what could have been Lucas’ Sequel Trilogy. There are things I love about Disney’s sequel trilogy and there are things I absolutely can’t stand about it (especially in The Last Jedi), but I can’t help but wish we could have seen Lucas’ vision for the rest of his story brought to life. It just feels wrong that he never got to personally wrap up the stories of Luke, Han, and Leia.
I can’t help but wonder… how does someone so smart and so business-savvy such as George Lucas NOT contractually guarantee his involvement in the films and simply leaves it up to, “Gee, I hope they’ll let me be involved”??
Agreed. Seems bizarre. Maybe he trusted Kk.
I know you have your opinion, but is there to possibly love about the sequel trilogy??
They didnt pay 4 billion to let George continue to work on it.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters, George hired Kathleen Kennedy to be his successor specifically because he believed he could still have some influence over the story with her at the helm. He actually worked quitely closely with Micheal Arndt, Lawrence Kasdan, and J.J. Abrams early on during the production of Epsiode Vll. But then, later on, he left the project. It's not exactly clear why he left or when, but it's very likely that he left the project very late into the year-long stretch when they were still using his treatment for Episode Vll, and that he left due to creative differences about the pre-production and/or fimmaking process. After that, Bob Iger, Kennedy, J.J. and Alan Horn met together and decided to scrap George's treatment altogether, likely at the behest of J.J., because that resulted in Micheal being fired as screenwriter and being replaced by none other than J.J. (along with Lawrence).
He was (is) old and tired. He spent most of his career swimming upstream in Hollywood. He had to fight the studio system and basically invent a ton of technologies. People kept begging him to make more movies, and when he did, the fans said he ruined them and bullied his actors. Plus, the time he spent making Star Wars largely cost him his marriage. I think he was tired of getting caught between Hollywood and fans. He often talks about how he didn't get to make the films he wanted to make.
Dull and boring senator scenes were extremely important.
Maul was/is actually such a dope villain, would've loved to see more of him.
You did in Solo : a star wars fuck up.
Or you could see a ton of him in the cartoons? Disney+ FTW
@@dylanhodgson6678 wtf is a disney+
NO. HE WAS CUT IN HALF AND DEAD.
No, the farce saved him. @@Khultan
What they did with Luke in Sequels was unforgivable. Mark Hammil has said as much, he should have walked away but he's too nice a guy.
Being a nice guy is not why he did Disney Star Wars sequel trilogy. Disney gave the impression he would get to share screen time with Harrison and Carrier. By the time he learned that was not happening he had signed the contract and was obligated to do the films.
I think his entire motivation for coming back to Star Was was in line with Harrison and Carrie's involvement with the then new films. If they had declined to return I'm sure he would not have come back.
Nice guy? LOL
@@1977TA He should have walked away when Lucas sold up. At least he could have leveraged more negotiating power.
"Too nice a guy" lol... he made bank.
@@briangregory8223he was under contract. The character of Luke Skywalker & Lucas's legacy mean a lot to him. Had he known what Disney had in mind, I'm confident he wouldn't have been a part of it.
These ideas are infinitely better than what we got from disney. Even when Lucas’s ideas aren’t well executed (the prequels) the politics are believable and the world building is so interesting that it engrosses you into that universe.
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Well executed? You know how in depth those movies get.
The politics make sense? Really?
@@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked what are you confused about?
@@mcfreezy6805 The movies just opened the gate and The Clone Wars filled it out. It's never possible for any movie to go deep in big overarching story. Movie always are surface level
I can't speak for the whole of George's vision for the sequels, but this sounds like a huge improvement of the Luke Skywalker arc. As you said, much more in line with the Luke we loved from the original trilogy.
8:19 Yikes! You can almost feel the metaphorical knife sliding into George on that stage when he's asked that question 😮
Almost feels like he's talking directly to the Marvel MCU's Loki in disguise 😅
The core elements were all there - didn't take much to keep the fans engaged. Just having a coherent storyline through each film would have done wonders. Having Luke, Leah and Han be the main leads in all should have been a no-brainer. Can't believe how much Disney ruined this.
That would’ve been terrible if Luke, Leia and Han were the leads.
Cool ELO profile, new world record is one of my favorites.
This is completely untrue. Just look at the videos that really explain Lucas' scripts to see that the stories had nothing to do with the catastrophic postlogy.
Are you beyond dumb they WERE the leads in the trilogy Han dominates TFA, Luke dominates TLJ, and Colin wrote Leia and Rey to be dominant in his version of episode 9. Stop putting on a tinfoil and actually watch the films. Thanks.
I've done a LOT of research on this and nope Disney USED a LOT of Lucas's story ideas. You may not like that but they did.@@philippealain-art
It doesn't have "Somehow, Palpatine returned." and about a thousand planet-destroying starships from UNKNOWN SOURCES and staffed by WHO KNOWS WHO from WHO KNOWS WHERE. It's a massive improvement over what Disney gave us. Episodes 7 and 8 had problems, but I would have forgiven them if episode 9 made any sense whatsoever.
Bro what?! They turned Luke into Jake Skywalker during TLJ. The guy who saw the good in Darth Vader couldnt see the good in his own Nephew? 7 and 8 were TRASH.
@@jassuyt6357 I would have ranked 8 the best of the sequels if they didn't assasinate luke's character. but 9 is still the worst. Followed by 8 and 7.
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Well, 7 had Han die in front of two strangers he just met hours ago, had the same "Destroy the Deathstar" trope, and introduced the First Order without any background.
For Episode 8 and 9 to top that mess is truly amazing and terrible in itself.
Guess what? Star wars is fiction. It doesn't have to make sense
@@jakeusaf9401 You're right. Companies are entitled to produce trash fiction.
Return of the Jedi is the grand finale, even more so with the prequels in mind. The sequel trilogy was doomed at conception to be honest. It's very difficult to continue the story without invalidating the heroes' victory. I do like the concepts of the difficulties rebuilding the republic and the fact that the Whills would be explored in more depth. I also wonder how Lucas would have framed the sequels. The original trilogy was 'The Adventures of Luke Skywalker'. However with the prequels, Lucas reframed the saga as 'The Tragedy of Darth Vader', with the prequels describing Anakin's fall and the originals portraying his redemption. Logically, the sequels would therefore show 'The Legacy of Anakin Skywalker'. This is more of a craftsman's approach, which is unfortunately lost on Disney/Hollywood, but which I would have appreciated, and would perhaps have been more resonant.
Agreed!
Agreed until Kathleen Kennedy destroyed all the legacy characters on purpose and cut all of Force ghost Anakin's scenes from the sequel finale. All while wearing a Force is Female toxic wokeness shirt. Somehow is still employed??
Dude, in the end they are just movies about space wizards with laser swords. Dont take them too seriously.
@@jred201 Disney took them seriously enough to pay 4 billion USD for the rights to make more of them. Maybe all those space wizards and laser swords should have devalued it to like 20 cents.
They should have started the next trilogy in a later period, long after that of the OT. I'd argue for centuries afterward. That provides a clear victory for the heroes of the OT, showing that they managed to restore the Republic and Luke could reconstitute the Jedi order. Setting the new story much later gives ample time for a completely new threat to emerge, and for the restored Republic to have undergone decay, corruption, polarization, etc. rendering it more vulnerable to the new threat. You could tell a great story in such a setting, without undercutting the achievements of the heroes of the OT.
You could still have featured Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, and Carrie Fisher in flashbacks of "historical" footage, showing their role in reestablishing the Republic, but paving the way for an entirely new generation of heroes for the new story.
My dream is that there will some day be a trilogy about the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. To met that would have been the perfect setting for a final trilogy. What could be a bigger threat than an entire species cut off from the Force?
You could have had Abeloth and the Mortis storyline tie in, Luke's New Jedi Order, the New Republic falling and reforging, Paelleon's Imperial Remnent joining forces at a crucial battle and turning the tide, Chewbacca and Anakin Solo's sacrifices, etc. Would have been such a dynamic and thematic conclusion to the saga imo
8:52 I think ,at first, Lucas' sequel trilogy would've gotten the same, or even worse reaction that the prequels got. Mainly coz of Han Solo being killed, him and Leia having to split up to try and rebuild the republic, and Luke still becoming an secluding himself and feeling lost, etc.
But overtime people would come to like them, just like how people are finally liking the prequels. Especially since there will be context for all the radical changes.
As someone who was a fan of Star Wars from before even seeing the original movie (It was released in 1978 in the UK, but, heck, we knew all about it by then), I'd just like to say that however appealing from a filmmakers point of view it might be to have Luke fall from grace, be embittered and miserable, it's just not what I wanted to see.
I'm sure I'm not the only one of my generation, and perhaps subsequent ones, who has gazed into a sunset and known exactly how he felt in that iconic scene. And it was iconic. It summed up with just acting and music how so many of us felt.
Through all his whingeing, headstrong antics and arguing with everyone who knew better than him, Luke was always optimistic. He may be saddened at Ben's death and frustrated at Yoda's refusal to teach him all about the Force before Monday morning, but underneath, he always believed that things could be better.
And that's the Luke we didn't just _want_ to see, but _needed_ to see.
Well, how about a depressed Indiana Jones? I'm sure we all wanted to see that. Said no one.
You nailed it.
Kenobi was young and optimistic too once, look where that path led him. His hubris that he thought he was ready to teach was in part responsible for the Anakin's fall and the destruction of the Jedi Order. Once he defeated Anakin rather than end it mercifully he left him to suffer and die slowly on Mustafar. After doing nothing but watch for 30 years, he began to train Vader's son to mold him into a warrior that could kill Vader, without telling him Vader was his father, a liar. Kenobi has taken the wrong lesson from his failure with Anakin, better to lie to Luke about his attachments so they never have a chance to control him. In the end Kenobi chose to martyr himself to stiffen Luke's resolve to kill Vader by removing another attachment, rather than escape to actually further Luke's training.
In contrast, Luke internalizes and takes ownership of his failure to properly teach Ben as well as the students that left with him willingly, something Kenobi never did. He is miserable because he cared so much and so he is crushed that he played a part in Ben and the other's turning to Snoke. In Rey he sees the same youth and overflowing optimism he used to have and it bugs him a little bit which is why he treats her with light derision and condescension. Kenobi continued to believe in his core teaching, he just believed his methodology was flawed (this time instead of trying to overcome your student's attachments, lie and deny he has any), whereas Luke began to doubt his method *and* the core teachings of the Jedi after his failure with Ben, which was another reason he was reluctant to train Rey.
What is the proper emotional response if everything you believed in and have strived to rebuild over 34 years you now believe is always fated to end in catastrophic failure? Luke somewhat unfairly puts it upon Rey to try and change his mind over 3 lessons. That's why its a shame they made Luke's 3rd lesson a deleted scene as it showed a lighter side of Luke, clarified a bit more about his positions on the matter, articulated Rey's feelings about Luke's condescension, etc. I think that sequence was well worth trimming out a few Rey running shots and a bit of dancing to tighten it up to keep it in the film. It shows that Rey did begin to change Luke's mind through criticism, as in the next scene he reconnects to The Force to get the lay of the land in the galaxy. It also explains why Rey turns away from Luke to the Dark Side cave and opens herself further to Kylo's guidance. I think Luke then came to find Rey to apologize, but her connecting with Kylo and the revelations about what Luke had done broke them apart again.
@@GuardianOwl I'm always annoyed that the movie has minutes of Luke jumping around his little island that somehow made the cut instead of the deletes scene with Rey.
Also on top of everything you just wrote, Luke was what, 22, when he saved Vader? I thought I had the world figured out then too.
Interestingly enough, it seems that Lucas' Maul story vaguely played out in Rebels. We saw just a snippet of it, as Maul ran Mandalore for a bit as a kind of crime boss.
This would've been so much better. Hopefully, Geroge Lucas will share his thoughts on all this one day.
The story concept yes sounds much much better, but you could do the same with the prequels...tons of great ideas on story boards, but then Lucas' terrible dialogue and directing in addition to other flaws. We saw what a modern Lucas Star Wars movie looks like...in fact 3 times, and each of them were worse than any of the sequels IMO(with revenge of the sith being the strongest almost despite itself because it's almost impossible to show the rise of Vader and have it be all bad)
@@mattm7798 I partially agree with you. At least the prequels were orignal and trying to take big swings, and had a strong story throughout the movies. The sequels are the opposite of all these things, and mostly just copied the originals
Badly. That’s how I see them anyway. I feel Revenge of the Sith is a great film, maybe the third best behind hope and empire
In my mind, episodes 7, 8 and 9 are not Star Wars
@@JamesTateWilson Revenge of the Jedi is infinitely better. People tend to go away from RotJ hating on it because of the Ewoks, but the entire set-up flows perfectly from the angry Jedi in TESB to an impassioned one in the first half of RotJ to the mature introspective and humble Jedi in the 2nd half scenes with Darth Vader. In some ways, RotJ re-frames A New Hope by including the rescue of Han Solo as thee swashbuckling Saturday morning action serial (or whatever that day was for Americans), and then developing the rest of the film into a mature exploration of character.
Lucas is such a liar when it comes to his ideas about Star Wars that it wouldn't be worth listening to.
Lucas should have written the story outlines for the sequels but let someone else actually write the scripts and direct them like how he did for Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. At the very least this would have been better and more coherent than what we got.
That’s what he was thinking of doing but ultimately decided to just sell them.
Apparently he gave Disney the outline for the sequels but Disney scrapped them they second they bought the franchise lol
@@NIPPY.415 His mistake was assuming that Disney would follow his outlines - there was nothing in the contract that required them to. As smart as George Lucas is, it was foolish to make an assumption like that.
@@matthewk4912 yup! Apparently they agreed to do it over a handshake! Didn't turn it great!
Lucas was not smart enough to put it in the contract, even though he thought what he was selling was the outlines, it is not legally binding unless it is written and signed. Bob Iger revealed some of these details in his book after he "resigned" as Disney CEO the first time. A handshake was stupid. Doesn't hold up in court and as smart as he was in the 70's & 80's I feel he lost alot of that as he aged and went through his family trauma.
Old George Lucas is now just bitter and can't take accountability.
He decided to sell because internet trolls giving him grief about some of his silly decisions in the prequels. I also personally believe placing all his LucasArts bets on The Old Republic MMO that went Free-to-Play within 6 months is also a BIG reason. But, the answer wasn't to sell off the company. It's like he never heard of just tuning them out and not going to where everyone talks crap??
Would have loved to have seen this version it sounds so good. So much better than what Disney gave us. It's a shame we'll never see this alternate version. Star wars would have been a continuing story
I actually read a book called “The Star Wars Archives: Episodes 1-3 1999-2005” It’s full of interviews of George Lucas about the prequels and at the end of it George talks about his plans for the sequels. Most of what you said in this video checks out, but I’m not sure Luke would’ve died. Because in the book George said he never enjoyed killing humans in his movies. Most of the humans that died in the OT were on the Death Star and he felt bad about it. Besides that, pretty much the only other human deaths we got were Stormtroopers, but they were faceless, when the OT came out they could’ve been droids for all we knew like I thought when I was a kid, think it even mentions in the book somewhere that people thought they were droids.
It also says in the book that by the end of George’s sequel trilogy Luke would’ve rebuilt the Jedi Order. It never says anything about him dying. I can see Han dying since Harrison Ford wanted Han to die in RoTJ, and I can possibly see Leia having to die too because of what happened to Carrie Fisher (Rest in Peace) but I think at least Luke would’ve got a happy ending.
If George let others direct, or at least was not surrounded by "yes" men, his sequel trilogy would've worked well. It would've at least been far more consistent than Disney's mess.
Agreed! I wish he did that for the prequels too.
Yep. A lot of respect for Lucas's work, but he's not great at directing actors and dialogue. A lot of the prequels could've been improved with better line delivery.
Experienced actors like Neeson, Portman, Macgregor and Jackson came across as wooden.
Christensen never stood a chance😂
For sure. His writing is pretty bad too. Great with story, world building, etc, but not actually penning a great script.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Great ideas man, sucks at the details😆
I'm old enough to have seen the originals at the cinema and after Disney's mess, am ready to move on from Star Wars.
I'd love to see some fresh, new IPs rather than endless Marvel/DC/Star Wars/Bond etc. Younger generations deserve their own characters/worlds rather than the endless recycled 50+ year old franchises.
There's definitely a place for the old stuff, but it shouldn't dominate like it does.
I’m totally with ya!
I think it was fine that Lucas didn't want to direct the sequals. He didn't direct episodes 5 and 6, but was in control of the story telling. I think if he was put into a similar situation, the sequals would have been great.
Yeah but he ddint want to be involved and wanted to be free to raise his daughter
Actually even his story telling went through multiple editors for all 3 Original movies. Its why theyre good movies. Unlike the prequels where he got full creative freedom.
@@eightcoins4401 i didn't say he wrote the scripts. just always in charge of how things were going to pan out. i wish people were willing to question george when the prequals came out. i do like those movies, but they could have been something really great if more people were involved.
Yes, just based on the fact that he had an idea of what the full story would be, these movies would have been better. That was the entire problem with the sequels: the writers/directors had no concern for an overarching story and made 3 different movies that are a trilogy in name alone.
Even worse, they didn't picked up on any random story, but from an original trilogy that was made up as they went along. In the first movie Darth Vader was not a "darth", he was not Anakin Skywalker, and Luke and Leia weren't siblings. And I imagine George thanks his intuition every night to NOT have Vader die in the explosion of the Death Star. They managed to conjure up a more complex story without retconning A New Hope too much, and the lesson Disney learnt from it is "don't have an overarching plan"? geez.
All of that stuff about the whills kills me that we won’t see that. That sounded just as fascinating as the idea of the force itself, he was really onto something
Darth Maul would’ve been so good as the Big Bad and then having Darth Talon as the Heavy Bad would’ve been absolutely fantastic. I’m so sad that it went down like this.
The Zahn books may have some flaws, but I don't think there is an OT fan out there who wouldn't have loved to see his books adapted to the screen, that scene with Luke and the Noghri alone would have been worth it and Thrawn's interactions with Palleon, the scheming and machinations... I truly loved those books and will always be deeply disappointed in the sequels we did get
Oh like Thrawn trilogy would have been ANY better from a continuing storyline perspective. This is why fans DONT write films!
@@kermitthehemprainy 💀💀💀💀💀 youre trolling
@@kermitthehemprainy Honestly Disney trying so hard to give fans what they want is exactly why these movies came out like they did. If they had confidence in what George had set up for them and allowed him to stay on as a primary consultant, the movies would have been very different and taken the franchise in a new direction unlike the ones that came before it. And at the time, fans didn't want that and so Disney made sure they didn't do that. People forget about how much George and his ideas were hated at that time because of the prequels.
Luke fighting the evil clone of himself would have been sick to see.
now i want these movies 😭
Timothy Zahn wrote a really good trilogy. I think Disney bought those too. And they had access to the whole power vacuum that brought Thrawn to power. The Imperial Remnant. Heck Lucas could have even kept Mara Jade as evil and it would have been AWESOME!
If that's any consolation, Disney gave Zahn a lot of dollarydoo's to write a different Thrawn trilogy, and also his characters are being repurposed and re-integrated into the new canon. That might eventually include Mara Jade. Whether it's for the better or for the worse, I'll leave the judgement to you.
@@thecandlemaker1329 Two trilogies actually, and yes seeing Filoni adapting the Heir to the Empire story with some of his own characters added and some completely new ones (Baylan and Shin, honestly hoping for them to be good) makes me hopefull
Fun fact: Lucas hated Mara Jade. In fact he completely dismissed the EU.
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Aww....I see. So it would be accurate then to say the EU is fan fiction?
@@wankertanker1813 From the words of Star wars author JW Rinzler: "George hated Mara Jade". And from the words of Dave Filoni: ( George didn't care about the EU, books, and comics. The movies and animated shows are all that mattered."
0:56 I actually enjoyed the “dull and boring” Senate scenes. It made Star Wars a more mature universe. Perhaps because I’m also a Star Trek fan.
This video is more entertaining than the sequel trilogy
So Lucas might have planned this for years, so my criticism might be unfair, but I am a little tired of them bringing back old characters just to show that their happy ending went in misery instead. I think I should be happy with what we got of Lucas, 6 films that tight in nicely. The new trilogy have great acting, great cinematography, great effects, but the story and consistency is a mess. Thanks for sharing.
This could’ve absolutely been revised. They could’ve restructured this to where the OT gang and their new establishments DON’T suffer and make the original victory look pointless, rather they’re established as having come to this new battle that they’re only up for BECAUSE they did well before. They still coulda shown how the OT gang handles everything better than those who came before. Old Republic, High Republic, Galactic Empire, and in between.
In the words of Count Dooku to Darth Maul, paraphrased:
_“You’re learning quickly that seizing power is a lot easier than maintaining it.”_
Alot of those endings come from Disney really wanting the OG actors - when most of them were sick of Star Wars by the time they made Return of the Jedi
In either case, a sequel was ultimately unnecessary and was always going to be weaker than the original trilogy. Tolkien also had started a sequel to Lord of the Rings and ultimately stopped because he realized it just would be inferior to the original.
The Lord of the Rings was a sequel to the Silmarillion. Which wasn't even published in Tolkien's lifetime. I think he made the right decision with the New Shadow. Not a very good story. His unfinished the lost road is a very good one though. Wish he had finished that and the longer Beren, and the longer fall of gondolin.
@@matthewgaudet4064 He did a good job with the prequels.
@@matthewgaudet4064 Agree. They didn't need a new Shadow in the lifetime of Aragorn and his son. But if Leia wasn't Luke's sister, but Ben lied and said she was, then there could be a story there with the long-lost sister and the challenge to bring order to the galaxy in a New Republic.
@@sandal_thong8631, knowing Lucas and the prequel love triangle between Ben,Leia's mom and Anakin, it is entirely possible Ben Kenobi was Luke's father. If Lucas hadn't set upon Vader. A what if.
That's right. In both Universes there were hundreds of years of stability before the crises faced and overcome. It stands to reason that what happens after wouldn't be as epic. Not that they aren't fun to explore but not on that scale.
It's interesting how some of these ideas did make it to the final version and future projects even if they were in different ways.
Yeah, like they said, The Mandalorian tv show is basically a western in space and shows that lawless period he mentioned, and until season 3, it was great. Seeing the rise of the first order would have been really cool instead of "oh here's another totalitarian gov't that magically is in total power now...also why they decided not to explain at all who Snoke was....like that's writing 101. How did they miss that?!?!?!?!
@@mattm7798 the behind the scenes special may help give a better look into what Season 3 was trying to accomplish. From what I read part of it may have been finding his place into the clan. Oh and about those rumors. John Favro said that there was no sabotage and any decisions made was his and not anyone else's.
Lucas's biggest failure and regret..selling to Disney. His ideas would have made much more satisfying sequels. He knows it, we know it.
ive been watching your videos all week man i just found your channel. as a pop culture junkie i live for these typw of videos! cant wait to see more
I really have always wanted them to explore the clone wars era more. There's so so so much good potential content there, a many good stories to be told and fleshed out
Agreed. Missed opportunity in the movies not too
They had an entire tv show dedicated to it, so doing another movie would have felt like a retread(which is kinda what we got anyway
Give me George Lucas’ vision any day.
Everyone keeps saying the senate scenes from the prequels were boring. Can you tell me which one? Literally just watched these movies and I don’t remember any of the senate scenes dragging or being boring, they were some of the coolest moments of the trilogy.
Then maybe try watching Episode 1 as a whole again.
I think George at least would've had a much more consistent overarching story to his trilogy. It wouldn't have been entirely made up as it went along by a pair of combative filmmakers constantly undercutting each others' creative decisions. The senate scenes in the prequels were well done. Palpatine's plot was devious and realistic. "So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause" is an iconic line. The Lucas vision is much better than what we actually have. There are a lot more interesting concepts than recycled storylines. What’s so strange about the sequel trilogy is that it very much felt like episodes 10, 11 & 12.
Like we missed a whole trilogy involving Luke rebuilding the Jedi and Ben Solo’s fall to the dark side. Ironically the backstory of Force Awakens was what many people were really interested in. I don't see how it could have been any worse than what we got. At least this has a coherent story arc and is a logical progression of the story. Marcia Lucas said it best in regards to Disney's crappy sequels..."It sucks." 100% spot on. These ideas are infinitely better than what we got from Disney. Even when Lucas’s ideas aren’t well executed (the prequels) the politics are believable and the world-building is so interesting that it engrosses you into that universe. Maul was/is actually such a dope villain, would've loved to see more of him. What they did with Luke in Sequels was unforgivable. Mark Hammil has said as much, he should have walked away but he's too nice a guy. As someone who was a fan of Star Wars before even seeing the original movie (It was released in 1978 in the UK, but, heck, we knew all about it by then), I'd just like to say that however appealing from a filmmakers point of view it might be to have Luke fall from grace, be embittered and miserable, it's just not what I wanted to see. I'm sure I'm not the only one of my generation, and perhaps subsequent ones, who have gazed into a sunset and known exactly how he felt in that iconic scene. And it was ironic. It summed up with just acting and music how so many of us felt. Through all his whingeing, headstrong antics, and arguing with everyone who knew better than him, Luke was always optimistic. He may be saddened at Ben's death and frustrated at Yoda's refusal to teach him all about the Force before Monday morning, but underneath, he always believed that things could be better. And that's the Luke we didn't just want to see but needed to see. Correction: Lucas wasn't going to scrap the entire EU, just the parts that contradicted his sequels (with a few notable exceptions, these parts aren't very beloved by the community, I should note). This isn't very surprising, either. He has always refused to acknowledge the EU continuations of his story, he's very consistent about that. I agree with Lucas selling the franchise to the highest bidder, pocketing the money, retiring, and spending more time with his family. He had done his part in making great movies. I like that idea.
I dont understand how any evil in the form of the sith can even exist after the original trilogy. It literally defeats the purpose and undermines the whole story. Sequels should have been Thrawn. Sometimes less is more.
I think that Lucas' trilogy would have both been better than what we got, but also have gotten a negative reaction knowing star wars fans. But one of the biggest missed opportunities to me is that, knowing how much Lucas likes doing call backs ("rhyming" his movies), I can just imagine him ending 9 with a shot similar to the last shot of ep 4, but instead of them celebrating destroying the death star, they'd celebrate the rise of the New Republic.
I honestly want to see Lucas's sequel trilogy put to screen. It would've been better than what we got, probably better than the prequels.
But we'll probably never get to see them.
While George Lucus' script holds many similar ideas to the sequel trilogy, his version of the story line is far more complete (even given its outline status) and shows many of the details that were missed in the movies that we actually got. These missing details, to me at least, are the difference between a story making sense and holding the viewers imagination verses bunch of scenes with jarring gaps in the plot leading to audience dissatisfaction and disaffection. Also, I am glad to see that he wouldn't have tried to revive Palpatine. That choice was one of shear desperation caused by the production team allowing Rian Johnson to pretty much do anything he wanted on the second movie making a third installment that actually makes sense nearly impossible. He truly earned the moniker 'Ruin Johnson' on that one!
George's idea for the sequels sounds much better than what Disney made. It could have shown the attempt to rebuild the Republic after the fall of the Empire. They could have included TV series to cover what couldn't be added to the films.
That was something that Extended Universe covered, the aftermath and the struggle to restore the Republic.
As there would be factions grabbing for power like the Imperial Warlords. Supporters of the Empire that were corrupt and wanted their power back or those who believe in the New Order and attempt to fulfill that promise, the Imperial Remnant and similar fractions. There would be factions who didn't like the Empire, but remember the failures of the Republic. It would have been a great development that fans never saw.
Dude this original script sounds fantastic. These are the only things I would change: I would give Luke a wife & children(to continue the Skywalker family tree), and I wouldn’t have Han & Leia separated(these divorce side stories are annoying). Anyway, I wish we got this Sequel story. Princess Leia being the true chosen one is very interesting. Also I love the original EU but I would be ok with George Lucas wanting to start from scratch. Mainly because I know he would create amazing new stories(But maybe keep Kyle Katarn lol 😂).
The Skywalker family can continue with Leia.
The only problem I have with this plan is making Maul the head of evil. We already saw this character bested by Obi Wan and Palpatine which makes him not as credible a threat as people want to believe. Also, I like what we got in Rebels where his death is at the hands of a now older Obi Wan and they are both able to show understanding towards one another despite their hate.
I disagree. I think him being bested by Obi-Wan again in Rebels is just like TFA; rehashing what we've already seen. I think it would be more interesting for him to reappear and have revenge, and this time it would take a team of people to stop him.
anakin was bested by obi-wan
Agreed. I've never liked the character of Darth Maul, so I wouldn't be excited about seeing him as the main bad guy in the sequel trilogy. In Ep. 1, he seemed to serve no purpose to the story other than to provide an opponent for Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon so that we could see some cool lightsaber fights. The way I look at it, he was very clearly killed by Obi-Wan in Ep. 1, and he should have stayed dead.
Yes, but this is a much older Maul, who has learned from his youthful mistakes and become much more dangerous. Could have been a great character. I agree that Maul as presented in Phantom Menace was very one-dimensional, but he could have been so much more. The basic premise for the character was great - the mysterious double-lightsaber-wielding, satanic looking, Sith assassin. They just failed to develop the character into anything more than a throwaway villain and that was one of the reasons that TPM was a bit of a disappointment compared with what it could have been.
Tbh, we have Maul and Talon, then Han's son. So lets just have Talon seduce Han's son and then they could both kill maul and now be the two top dog.
Id like that twist. Maybe is the final thing that push the son to the dark side.
So yud think maul is back and is the big evil, but in the end of ep 8 hed just died and then for the final ep. Yud have a completely new dynamic to explore with Talon + Son duo vs Luke + girl
They probably would've got the same negative reaction as the prequels but, hell yea, they would've been better than what we got
just the short abridging of what could have been sounds infinitely more interesting. I really wish we got a return of Maul and his apprentice Darth Talon over Emo Vader and Man with no Inside Voice.
I've been really enjoying your videos. They're well put together and ably illustrated by footage. You do a good job of addressing the problems and differences. Good stuff.
Thank you very much!
I thought you were going to talk about Lucas' original vision for the sequel trilogy that he thought of when writing the original trilogy. Where's that idea of Luke's sister who wasn't Leia?
I go into that in the return of the Jedi video if you’d like to check it out
As strange as his ideas were for diving into how The Force works, etc, I do believe he would have at least maintained a more cohesive story that didn't just wing it from one episode to the next. That's what I've always said about the prequels. Setting aside some of the glaring issues of those movies at least you can summarize the trilogy in a sentence or two that makes sense.
We didn't know how good we had with the prequels until the sequels started coming out
Love your videos! Will you make some videos about Episodes II and III? I love Count Dooku and Kamino’s story!
I can look into it
Rey and Kylo were not bad character concepts. In fact, they had the chance to be some very meaningful characters. The way Disney wrote the scripts was what made the sequels so painful to watch. Sidius coming back discredits everything Luke and Vader accomplished in the original trilogy. Luke being discouraged in the sequels was a great idea, but again the way Disney went about it left a lot of fans pissed off. If they had started The Last Jedi showing the tragedy of Luke as a whole, it would’ve been received better.
The concept of relating the force in midi-chlorians into a probiotic bacteria in your gut, giving a rhetorical relation to that intuition feeling in your gut, it’s pretty genius storytelling in my opinion
Agreed
Lucas said gut bacteria? Let's all go 💋his 🍑.
It would neatly tie into the recurring 'bad feeling about this' always being right about peril.
What Could Have Been: George Lucas' SEQUEL Trilogy :- Even if the movies were bad, we wouldn't be having sjw's screaming misogynist for not liking them
Watching paint dry would have been better then what disney put out.
LMAO
I really would've enjoying see this version of the trilogy!
Yep,. if they could had a movie dealing with Luke building the Jedi and his falling out along with the turning of Han's son would have been amazing and made the story a lot better to say the least.
Say what you will about Lucas dialogues, but there is no doubt the man knows how to tell a story. And he would have actually respected his own lore. Star Wars is I-VI. The rest is just fanfiction
The interesting thing about all this is that they are making a sequel film about Rey Skywalker rebuilding the Jedi Order after the fall of the First Order so, in a way, they could still repurpose a lot of these ideas, and even give Lucas some story credit as well.
so further copy his work even more lol. he was already disappointed with ep7, i dont think he would be fond of giving the story he had written for Luke be given to Rey. He would want them to be original probably
Lucas is the anti-JarJarAbrams. He's all about innovating and evolving even at the cost of alienating the fans, whereas Abrams is about pandering to the fans at the cost of the film's quality and originality.
@@thecandlemaker1329 Technically, that also describes Rian Johnson who "innovated' himself into possibly the most divisive Star Wars movie to date.
@@malcolmmilk For what it's worth, Lucas called it his favourite sequel. Same goes for me.
@@thecandlemaker1329 Lucas said that in regards to the visuals, he had nothing else positive to say.
Where did you learn all this?? What’s the source?
Weird that this still has no answer
I think the midichlorian/whills thing is solid. It may not have been important in the scene when Quigon Jinn said it, but it builds the world up. It also shows that the Jedi were also keen on scientific expansions of the force, just as palpatine was. Works for me.
I hate the whole "Somehow Darth Maul survived" thing that started in the Clone Wars. That was one of the things that started drawing me away from the show back in the day. It's thanks to that Disney now thinks getting stabbed with a lightsaber isn't always fatal.
But at least they explained and showed fairly well how Darth Maul survived unlike a certain wrinkled potato
I would much rather have a massively flawed, yet cohesive Lucas sequel trilogy than the uncoordinated fever dream Disney came up with.
The sequels helped me finally appreciate the prequels more.
But were they really such great movies? I do not think so other than the consistent story line that was a great bridge to the OT.
The sequels are dog-💩on the sidewalk; the prequels are dog-💩in a bag on the sidewalk. Yeah, first one makes you appreciate the second one more, but it's still 💩.
@@sandal_thong8631the prequels are not dog shit. Especially Revenge of the Sith. Love the originals and the prequels, but these new ones are an absolute disgrace to the entire story.
Disney actually believed they knew better than the creator himself 🤣🤣🤦🏻🤦🏻
The girl who was the Jedi apprentice was Han and Leia's daughter Keira.. her and Skyler were supposed to be twins.
Also the whole thing about Luke secluding himself on an island being a George Lucas idea is total fake news and has been debunked many many times already!
Also, where are you getting this "info" that Han would have died by his son's hands in George Lucas's trilogy?
The fact that this is inspired by the events on the war on terror, I think is very interesting. To me of these it’s a very natural progression of the series.
Would have been interesting to merge some of his ideas with the Expanded Universe going foward. Having Kira and the Jedi Killer (Luke and Kyle's failed student), as well as bringing in Darth Plagueis as the ultimate villain for the Sequel Trilogy. The overall plot being the heroes finding a way to kill Plagueis after he cheated death and restore order to the galaxy.
I think that the Sequel Trilogy would have been a lot better if George Lucas had made them.
Watching this makes me realize that the ANH really was lightning in a bottle. Exactly the right people came together at exactly the right time to make something iconic and timeless. ESB was a straight-up miracle that nearly went off the rails a few times.
The last 40 years have been everybody, Lucas included, trying to recapture that magic and usually failing. It's a shame too because it really is a rich universe with a lot of potential.
I would have loved to have seen some sort of anthology series where a variety of authors and directors had an hour to come up with their own stories.
Maybe someday.
The best films are usually because they had the right people, in the right place, at the right time, and that kind of "miracle" is something you just can't recreate, even if all the same people came back, because you can never recreate that feeling of uncertainty. The original Star Wars worked because they did not have the luxury of knowing they had a smash hit on their hands. Like the Rebel forces, they legitimately went out and gave it their all to a cause that only they believed in, and it's success was left to HOPE. Side note: As for your second comment about the anthology with a variety of authors and directors, I think that is what Star Wars: Visions is.
@@malcolmmilk When did that come out? Is it any good?
@@worldwideinterests1 Season 1 in 2021, and Season 2 in 2022. I have not seen it yet, only because I am trying to get through other Star Wars content first. If I remember correctly, Season 1 is mostly anime-style, which is partially why it has not moved further up my "to watch" list, but Season 2 may be more your cup of tea, with different animation styles, writers and creators. If I get to it anytime soon, I will let you know my thoughts.
The Prequels were good and in someway better than the orginals
IMO return of the jedi was already starting to show major cracks in Lucas' era star wars...after we got episode 1, we should have figured out "ok george doesn't have it anymore"
This was not the original idea for the sequels. This only developed after 2008 when George contradicted his own Clone Wars Timeline Multimedia Project by making the 3D CGI The Clone Wars movie/series, where the fans "saved" Darth Maul and George appeased them by having Dave Filoni resurrect the character. After this came the idea that Maul led the Black Sun crime syndicate and would take Talon from the comics to be the main antagonists for his sequels going forward, post-2008.
He has had the sequels in his head for 40 years, going back and forth in the media and interviews on if he would actually make them. The original treatment was mostly scrapped, and this idea developed later.
George changes his mind constantly lol
Say what you want about George, he’s a VERY flawed director. But he cares about Star Wars, unlike Disney
People will always over criticize. I enjoyed the prequels. I think Hayden Christensen did a fantastic job as Anakin/Vader. Same with Ewan McGregor as Obi Wan. Both of them put their heart and soul into their characters. The sequels would have been much better if George Lucas got to finish telling his story. The sequels almost felt like they were made by people who never watched Star Wars, they just heard it from someone who heard it from someone who watched it. Thank you for the video!
Lucas’s version probably would have appealed to hardcore fans more but Disney wanted the average audience member back. Sad how in the end no one was particularly happy.
That's what happens when you play it safe and attempt to please everybody: you make a tired, unoriginal film that ends up pleasing no one, and lacking the creativeness, originality, and daring that made the original films great.
Not necessarily. His prequel trilogy made sense even if you didnt watch the OT; pretty sure the new trilogy would hv been fine for a new audience who didnt watch any of the old films, coz the new films are centred on new characters with the old characters in supporting roles. Lots of movie sequels hv been good enough to stand alone
Oh, some of us were very happy. Call it simple fandom or what have you, but there are those of us who just dig Star Wars. While some complained about Abrams, we just cheered Lando and kept on going.
Either way you're choosing between a 💩-show, and a dumpster-🔥.
With a few tweaks TFA could've been actually good, my take:
0. Change the title
1. Luke being a character in the movie
2. Rey being a newcomer to Luke's New Jedi Order
3. Kylo being an established best student there
4. Leia rebuilding the New Republic
5. A new evil approaches - Maul? Snoke? A completely new character? - rebuilding the Empire
6. That Villain is sending force visions to Kylo, which are wrongly interpreted by everyone as premonitions
7. The Villain beginning their conquest by destroying the New Jedi Order headquarters from orbit
8. Luke stays on site to help and heal the students that might have survived, while Rey and Kylo chase the villain, before Kylo is turned to the dark side by "the" Villain
9. Kylo easily overpowers Rey (best student vs newcomer)
10. Rey manages to escape from Kylo and "The" Villain" in an escape pod
11. Movie ends with Luke feeling bitter because he didn't realize what Kylo's visions were and blames himself for the murder of all his students, while Rey is stranded in space by herself and Leia is informed that an armada is heading towards Coruscant and she makes a hologram call -
- "Han?"
- "Oh, hello princess, I thought I'd never hear from you again"
- Fade to black
1. The next film opens with Rey being found in deep space by The Millennium Falcon
2. They try to recruit Luke to help them, but he's in a deep meditation state and does not respond to them
3. Meanwhile Kylo Ren is leading the attack on Coruscant (or whatever the capital planet would be), Leia tries to reach out to him and stop him, but it's revealed he has his Sith eyes already
That's all I thought out so far.
The second film would be titled "The Force Awakens" and would end with Han being killed by Kylo, the capital planet of the New Republic being destroyed (Leia managed to escape), Rey being trapped by Kylo in a corridor/space shuttle/whatever, then cut to where Luke is meditating, He opens his eyes, Fade to black.
"A few tweaks."
*Writes an entire graduate essay.*
Great ideas! It seems most recent movies are devoid of storytelling.
Disney, there are good writers and script doctors such this man over here. But you have to pay them fairly and also, let this man works.
@@malcolmmilk I never said the tweaks were minor 🤣
But, you know, the basic plot points of the movies are kept here.
Rey is still the main protagonist, Kylo becomes a darkside apprentice, Han and Leia are estranged, Han gets killed by Kylo, Luke is broken because he lost his all his apprentices and is left only with Rey to train, Luke is „unwilling” to help in the second movie, the New Republic planets get blown up, Leia reaches out to Kylo and fails to turn him, Kylo is being manipulated through force visions by the big baddy, etc
It’s the same basic story beats, just told in a different order. The plot point I added that really changes the events is just that the story takes place ~10 years earlier and Rey is not a junk collector but a student of Luke’s.
@@joseantoniomillabrito2764 thank you
Darth Talon 🤤
Yeah, she's hot 😍
Such a rich expanded universe that could have been explored. Not only that, but they didn’t make proper connections with further developments, like The Mandalorian as mentioned. Characters like Ahsoka, Thrawn, Mandalorian and Grogu didn’t appear in the sequels and Rey and Ben Solo in the series. I really have the feeling that the sequels and Disney series come from a different franchise with some original SW characters appereances. Another vital sequel characters such as Snoke and Finn were totally dismissible. Disney wasted so much potential that is almost unbelievable.
In the other hand, the Prequels connects perfectly with the original Trilogy giving an impression of fullfilment. Besides all the critics and Jar Jar, it was incredible to see new and cool charcters that really add to the universe.
Lucas's vision of the Sequel Trilogy is much better than Disney's. And as a fan of James Cameron, I agreed on his criticism on the 'resentment to the things we have seen before' decision. Exploring the galactic criminal underworld led by Darth Maul's apprentice Darth Talon while the New Republic try and assert control across the galaxy would've been a great way to go.
Even if there would have been some issues (like in the prequels) it would have at least been more coherent and still been apart of George’s vision.
I really love his ideas for his sequel trilogy but i think there are a few things that need some changes
1. Kira (taryn) and sam(skyler) should be the jacen and jaina solo of this trilogy and be the twin children of han and leia
2. Luke will still be in exile, but would raise his own family on tython with mara jade, luke is doing this because of something that he noticed within the force: everytime the sith and the jedi try to fight for over many many years, both factions can't find balance over the other, so luke would feel that if he stays out then the force might find balance,but he would be reinvegorated by kira and mara jade to return and do the right thing which leads me to:
3. We would get some world building about the force spirituality, and we would explore the gray area of the force ( i know george lucas stated that grey jedi don't exist but i felt like it would add somthing new to the universe of star wars).
4. Kylo ren becomes the main antagonist of the trilogy (i am choosing to remove maul because i really love how Clone wars and Rebels handled his character amd how his charcter ended). Also talon will be the secondary antagonist to kylo.
And 5. Leia is not the chosen one, because the felt that when audience know of the chosen one, there minds would always go to anakin which is why i think leia shouldn't be the chosen one.
It’s a good thing fans don’t write the scripts
Mara Jade would have never happened. George Lucas loathed the character.
This sounds really really good. As you would expect.
Its truely sad. Disneys buy and decision made them and Lucas a lot of Money but it also ruined the favorite franchise of Millions and I would even go as far as to say that it broke at least a few thousand super fans heart who have waited for this their entire lifes.
This was a pretty sad event overall.
Here’s a list of things the Disney canon did right. If Lucas’ sequels get made, these should be kept:
1. Resurgent-class star destroyers - Not only are these things awesome, they improve on all the design flaws of the Imperial-class. These deserve to be up there with the Nebula-class from the EU.
2. BB-8 - Little dude had personality. Nowhere near R2’s level, but he’s definitely earned a place in the old canon.
3. Rogue One - Absolutely fantastic entry. It might conflict with the old canon, but this can easily be fixed with a retcon. Let’s be honest here, Kyle Katarn is remembered more for being a Jedi than anything else. We can give this one to Jyn and Kyle still keeps the majority of his character arc.
4. Red lightsabers must be “bled” - This is actually really clever, because it gives actual weight to having a red lightsaber. It always bothered me in the old canon that any Jedi/Sith could simply swap kyber crystals. But bleeding a lightsaber with enough anger and hatred to turn it red is something a Jedi could never do.
5. Fallen Order/Jedi Survivor - Cal is a promising Jedi and his story fits nicely into the old canon. Is he anywhere near as powerful other big name Jedi? No, but he’s still earned his right to be canon.
Doesn't matter if the story itself will be better or not, it sounds like the trilogy would've been much more coherent. I'll take the world-building of the prequels over the sequels any day of the week, even with all the bad dialogue.
I'll take normie script-readers mispronouncing things for $400, Alex.
Yes George’s would 100% be better! It’s coming straight from the mind of the man who created Star Wars
yeah EVERYONE LOOOOOOOOVED the prequels.
Star Wars Legends>>>>>>>Disney Star Wars
I'm sure we still would've had a bunch of problems with it. We are Star Wars fans, after all. But I trust Lucas to have the story make more sense and exist to serve us a narrative instead of just slamming the nostalgia button every 30 seconds.
I think Lucas' story would've upset fans similar to the prequels but had the same level of continuity and world building that would allow critical reassessment in the future. All the ideas are fine it would just come down to execution.
At this point I write off all disney content as legends and essentially fan films. Hopefully we get something out of it but in my heart of hearts SW starts and ends with Goerge Lucas (and to some extent Dave Filoni)
yeah but the whills shit woudlve been boring af. george needs someone to edit down his scripts like he did in the OG trilogy