It's absolutely insane that they didn't have a plan for the sequels. Anyone in their right mind would fire everyone who approved it to be made that way. Billions of dollars and these people just wing it. Incredible mix of arrogance and idiocy
@@thibaud1832 Lucas didn’t have a plan during the production of the first SW movie because he wasn’t expecting it to be such a huge success. When he began the process of creating the second SW film is when he decided to come up with the third film and the concept for the entire prequel trilogy.
@@thibaud1832You can’t really make that comparison effectively. One person created the actual universe. The other needed to work within the existing universe.
@@thibaud1832- get out of here newb… you’re the reason why disney still puts crap out and calls it Star Wars. Don’t just spew sh!t out like it has any truth to it. Know your Facts.
@@ttanza4004 The fans have ALL the say in the matter. We are the consumers. If we reject the product, then Disney needs to adapt or fail. They are a corporation, and they care about profits. So yeah, we as consumers/fans decide what we like and dislike. Disney may legally define what canon is, but the fandom actually decides what ultimately constitutes our own head canon. Similar to Middle Earth canon, The Rings of Power may be “Tolkien-ish” in name but it isn’t canon, even though Amazon owns the rights to the appendices. Disney owns the rights to all of Star Wars, but what they have delivered is so bad (in my opinion), that the fandom may decide it does not qualify as canon, legal entitlement be d#mned.
@@ttanza4004we don't claim sequels we won't Anikin is born becomes a Jedi (as he is ) loses an arm married Padme becomes Vader kills ppl fights luke kills palaps and dies That all that star wars that all END
The Cal Kestis Jedi Games have simply the best stories Star Wars have created in the last years, i swear. Comparable to the original trilogy If you ask me.
As someone who grew up in the prequel era, I can safely say that the kids just don’t like starwars these days. The kids don’t talk about it, it’s just not a part of the culture it’s just another franchise now. Disney has turned the name of Star Wars into budget sci-fi, a lot of people palm the criticism off as nitpicking… but that’s what made it STAR WARS the details, rules, world building, aesthetic we’re all super specific and important to long time fans. The more and more you change established lore you start to distant yourself from the audience that cares the most. Starwars is being actively made for a casual audiences and that’s really really sad. Just imagine the kotor trailers with disneys unlimited budget and resources, that’s how badly they had fumbled the opportunity. They cancelled all their movies after making a trilogy without a plan and now they are just pumping out daytime tv to keep Disney + alive.
Star Wars was cool becouse it was for everyone. A Casual person can have fun watching it, while a fan can enjoy the fact every single extra in the Original Trilogy has *some* background - a short story, figures, etc. Today it's just bullshit where some main characters have less background info on them than the fucking podracers from Episode 1.
That's the thing, I've seen the sort of sentiment that 'in 20 years people will come around to the sequels just like they are doing now to the prequels' but that's never going to happen. I don't think anyone is growing up with the new movies and shows the same way we did with the prequels and Clone Wars, and while the prequels were very flawed movies in many regards, they still had a unifying vision and a story to tell. There's a lot to like in there if you can look past it's numerous mistakes. The new stuff on the other hand is purely just churned out with the intent to cash in on a dying IP, while pushing the real life agendas of the people working on it. If we're lucky, maybe in 20 years the franchise will be in the hands of people who put genuine care and effort into it again, and we can all look back on this era as 'The Dark Times'
Just considering the sequels alone, Kathleen Kennedy has cost this studio (at least) *$1B* in lost profits.. and that doesn't even take into account all the terrible TV shows, the Solo movie (the biggest SW flop, so far), merchandising, the failed hotel, Galaxy's Edge, etc Her still being gainfully employed is one of the most baffling business decisions in the 21st century
AND like you say, that's just "considering the sequels alone." If we factor in another 2 Franchises under Lucasfilm - Willow and Indiana Jones that Kathy Kennedy has also completely destroyed.
IDK, I would say that in the Case of Indiana Jones, there wasn’t that much hype left in it. I just didn’t care for much with the end of Indy 4. Why? Because Indy was already old and the way it ended. I’m not even saying I’m disappointed if his son got killed off after this, I’m just saying Indiana Jones didn’t feel like it had anything substantial or new to offer at that point.
She’s basically got dirt/ a clause in her contract that prevents her from getting fired or they would have to pay an OBSCENE Fee that they not only couldn’t afford financially, they can’t afford to put pride aside and look for passion rather than agenda/connections/blackmail.
I don’t know how Lucas did it, but he understood how to release his movies by releasing 4 through 6 and 1 through threes years apart from one another. He understood how to make Star Wars feel special which Disney does not.
I don’t think it has anything to do with Lucas having some great pacing plan, it just took longer to make those types of movies back then and there were truly unique bc nothing like it existed at the time.
but lucas also has his flaws the OT turned out great because he had people controlling him but in the PT he had no limits so he went all out. don't let george lucas cook or you get the prequels. i mean the PT had some good ideas revenge of the sith was good but as movies they are not good with clunky dialogue and just kinda weird
I think it's pretty obvious how Lucas did it, he had a vision for his trilogies. He started with a general idea of the story he would tell across three movies and fleshed out the details as each one was made. Disney had no fucking clue what the whole story would be when they started making the Force Awakens. They were just hoping each successive writer could build on the work of the last and somehow make a cohesive trilogy. That was one of the stupidest fucking ideas they could have ever had, they should have made an outline for all three movies then had the individual writers fill in the details for each movie while following this outline. That's ultimately what makes the prequels better than the sequels, they may be rough but they had a cohesive story across all three movies
@@eduardoalcazar2600they did what Lucas did and that was too have no really story until the next one had to be made. It’s why you mixed facts like leia being 16 for two movies and then by the ep6 she’s now Luke’s twin . Or that the Jedi robes are just sand clothing for tatioonie. Things just fell into place and it works and I think they thought that could work for 7-9 but the catch was the og trilogy has no corporate meddling only Lucas wanting things to maximise toy sales😊
For me Revenge of sith is end of Star Wars. I literally watched every show and movie until Ashoka and decided that the only way I can keep loving star wars is if I limit star Wars to first 6 films.
Criticize George Lucas all you want for his bad dialogue choices in the prequels, but at least he knew how to tell an authentic, connected, and informative story, actually cared about the fans, and made his films feel magical. Disney wanted money first or foremost and had no idea how to continue the story, resulting in a mess beyond the sequel trilogy. It’s disheartening to see a once magical and worthwhile franchise become a soulless cashcow.
@@eightnickel1513 I have watched the prequels literally dozens of times, but I have yet to hear a single line of bad dialogue 🤷🏼♀️ Where are those (in)famous scenes?? Are they on some kind of hidden track after the actual movies? 🤔
Yes they should’ve with the animation and pirates of the Caribbean, but look how far Marvel went from Iron Man to Endgame. And there are good one like X-Men 97, Deadpool and Wolverine, GOTG 3, Wandavision, Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night. The rest like the Marvels, She-Hulk, Agatha all along and Secret Invasion were 💩. There’s still hope for Marvel, and I’ve never been a Star Trek fan. But as for Star Wars, it’s dead in the water.
@@Hanzfox1in that case I’m not sure where you will like Andor then. It’s so much better than anything else they’ve done that it might frustrate you into asking why- if they can make this- everything else is such crap then?!
lol never thought of this xD. Even forgot Rey was a palpatine. It just shows how little I care for the sequels, don’t even remember what they were about
I have to disagree that Last Jedi was the pivot point. The Force Awakens had already sent SW into the toilet. It had some good stuff (I liked the new protagonists), sure, but mostly it jumbled the established lore, soaked the screen with boring retreads of stuff we’d already seen over and over, and robbed us of the one thing we wanted most - a great story about the original characters.
@@acceptyourself9582 if they wanted to make Luke suddenly try to kill his nephew they should have embraced it and have Luke turn to the dark side and have him kill Snoke and become something like his character in the Dark Empire comic.
SW is glorified fast food now. While stuff like Andor is chicken salad with dressing. A show that was made lucky. While everything else was lucky to be made. And that's all coming from a modern SW neutralist and apologist. Make that what you will.
Andor is bad Star Wars. It doesn't feel as a in-universe link to Star Wars. It's an ok-ish good sci-fi series, but it doesn't feel as a Star Wars at all. The only good Star Wars that came under Disney, movies/series/animations are: Rogue One/season 1 of Mandalorian/Rebels and last season of the Clone Wars, even if it was a changed animation, it still felt like Star Wars. The rest are not even good as sci-fi movies, series or animations, they are just bad.
I’m 48 years old when I was two years old the first movie I ever went to my parents took me to see the original Star Wars in 1977. I am too young to remember that so obviously I’ve seen it many times since then I remember when the Empire back came out, my dad took me eight times to see it because I loved it so much when I was a kid. And so on and so on. when Disney first got Star Wars, I was extremely excited about it being that I have been a lifelong fan. I liked the force awakens and I loved Rogue One. Then The last Jedi came out, I walked out of the theater about halfway through that’s when Star Wars died for me. Star Wars ended in 2005 with the revenge of the sith.
I’m curious how you felt after the prequel trilogy ended. I was born in 88, so my introduction to the original trilogy happened when the re-release in theaters happened in around 1998. By the time I watched the prequel trilogy, I’d watched so many great movies that I didn’t think those three movies were anything special. There were moments that shined brightly, but there was also a lot of disappointment. (Side note: I also love Rogue One.)
@@alexloyola6762 to be honest, I thought they were ok Being episode one and two. My favorite Star Wars movie of all time is revenge of the sith. which is Part of the prequel trilogy.
The series don't bother me as much. But what they did to Luke on the sequel trilogy was awful. It was also disappointing that we lost Han to kylo ren only to have him still be a disappointing villain in the later films.
Nah, you're still giving it too much credit- it's high end fan fiction, stuff that belongs on Patreon or a free YT channel- I get what you're saying though, I'm just hyperbole-ing a bit :P
They should’ve called the Disney trilogy ‘Folks in Space’ 😂 Disney needs to do their own D grade sci fi and leave Star Wars out of it. The problem is they won’t make any money and they know it
I can't believe they're even thinking about making a Rey movie. I guess there may be enough people out there that like the sequels but is it enough to support another "Rey can do anything" movie?
I doubt there are enough people who like the sequels. They would have to try to keep the budget to less than $150 mil to give it a chance at being profitable.
They appointed her the messiah. They had 9 films. They've filled in all the gaps around the main plot. Unless they do "Star Wars: The Sith: Pets" and have an animated show about force sensitive dachshunds, then they need probably need to propel the narrative forward and create a new plot. Then they can fill in the gaps around that for 15 years.
Another big issue with TLJ was that it whipped the media into a frenzy, with them going after the “toxic man-babies”, which typified the “blame the fans” movement. “Star Wars fans are so entitled! They are never happy! The complain about everything! No one hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans!” Fast forward to today, and what do they have to show for it? Toy sales down by over 60%, with pallets of them rotting for years at discount stores, news that the Disney Star Wars films only earned 1.2 Billion in profit at the box office (meaning Disney is still 2.8 Billion in the hole from a box office stance) from their $4 billion purchase of Lucasfilm 10 years later, no new Star Wars movies in nearly 5 years, $1 billion marketing push for The High Republic (which has gone nowhere), another billion into the Galactic Starcruiser Hotel (which closed in a year and a half), expensive live action series that get terrible reviews (and viewer ratings so poor that Disney doesn’t show them anymore), animated shows that are all but forgotten, and now three trailers for upcoming Star Wars projects are all massively downvoted. You have dozens of projects announced then abandoned, directors switched out and having most of their films reshot, and worse still the film starring the character nobody wants is being directed by a woman who has only done documentaries and was quoted saying “I enjoy making men uncomfortable”. Years from now Lucasfilm will be used in business schools as a cautionary tale of what happens when you alienate your customer base. It truly is a tragic fate: what was once seen as a pinnacle of modern entertainment, a proverbial golden goose, has been destroyed, choked to death, with only the memories of better days and stories to comfort us. It breaks my heart.
It's honestly depressing seeing star wars croak like this while it could be a treasure trove of essentally bottomless wealth in the right hands. You could do stories from all over the galexy and have them be disconnected from the main line. But instead Kathleen Kennedy nuked hundreds of stories from orbit, only to bitch about not having books and comics to pull from.
@@zachrohler1047 Insane. Its like Marvel abandoning all its classic heroes and coming up with "new" ones for live action....What a way to mismanage the franchise...And the fact that she hasn't been fired is mind boggling...The fans hate her, she is a lightning rod of negative publicity....People in Hollywood are constantly failing upwards..Just ZERO accountability and pure gaslighting.
@@librapan8 The image of Palpatine on the ROS poster is a photograph of a large action figure! ... Not the actor in costume, but a damn high quality toy! It's a farce and just highlights how lazy they can be ...
Every single step, every single one that you've described is exactly how I felt as time went on with this franchise. You even highlighted the bright spots that gave a new hope (pun most-definitely intended); and by that, I mean Rogue One and Andor. It's cathartic to hear someone break down this downfall so perfectly.
Tell me why andor was so good again? Was it the ak47? Was it coco puffs boy? Was it random ahh people dancing on a mountain? Was it the stupid monologues? Was it a mid jaikbreak sequence that I've seen a million times elsewhere? Was it the "scary headphones" and trash acting? Was it throwing in references to Rebels that made no sense? Was it the AMAZING romance sequences we got between various types of couples? Including a stalker and an ISB agent who doesn't know how to act? Or was it the 2 seconds we saw of the death star? Seriously.
@@michaelm541 Whenever I do something stupid and question how intelligent I am, I'll come back and read your comment so I feel better. Massive thanks to you, sir.
Keep reading it cuz I think you missed the point. Andor was bad for some of the reasons I mentioned above. I wanted someone to tell me why they thought it was good.
Why did they keep on hiring people who didn't like or didn't know Star Wars? Seems like a really weird decision. At the very least they could have been like "If you want the job, LEARN."
Disney have done what they did because they wanted to destroy a bastion of popular culture. It is the only thing that makes any sense of all this; coupled with how they are paid directly (but in a round-about way) by Blackrock who also force them to adhere to shitty DEI stuff. The "little hats people" at the top of this chain hate for westerners to have any hero's that are white; or seemingly anything good and wholesome. Star Wars, Star Trek, Indiana J, Marvel, so many more with Dr Who and Warhammer40k the most recent... Change my mind, please change my mind. Tell me what I've seen happening over the last 14yrs or so is only in my mind and that decent stories and good vs bad entertainment disappearing is only due to myself getting older and grumpy (only 40yrs young btw)
@@Avian-24 They didn’t want to destroy it, that’s just a byproduct of poor decision making. Disney wanted to make money and make it right away off of Star Wars. Instead of planning out what was going to happen they just went… We got Star Wars let’s start printing money! They thought, Star Wars fans will just come to the movies and start throwing money at us, and we’ll make minor modern changes to things that will attract new fans as well. They didn’t do their research and just started pushing product out in an attempt to make their millions back as quickly as possible. Then, on top of that, they have a bunch of higher-ups that seem to want to push a certain agenda with the movies and how they are produced, and who directs them rather than just tell good stories. They were handed the keys to a Ferrari and told don’t wreck it, and the first thing they did was go out for it and burn out the engine.
It's all about checking boxes for them, actual talent comes in a far second. But you would think that those who are hired and know nothing WOULD TRY to learn
@@kylebeggs3845They wanted to appease all audiences. But we all know it’s for the people and they don’t really care about minorities and the LGBTQNFL community. It’s actually even MORE evil that they pretend to care by just stuffing black and Asians actors in our faces with only ill intent. It’s just a shit show with the world now, it’s just woke bs. We can have a good story without a gay man or trans being shoved in our face or men being shoved to the side to push female power, like the “the force is female”. I’m certain though, if the last Jedi never came out and they kept JJ abrams then it would’ve been even better.
In Ernest Hemingway’s novel, The Sun Also Rises, one character questions another on how he went bankrupt. The answer: “Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”
My favourite franchise since I was a kid and even to this day. Its a shame how greed, activism and a warped ideology can destroy something so grand. I hope I get to see the return of Star Wars...again. Great video mate :) .
Me I'm still proud of being a star wars fan because after diseny got hold of star wars i drew a line in the sand and diseny can't cross it. Only 6 films a whole eu out there
I hate it when a UA-camr starts by saying "if you like this "x" thing that I'm criticizing that's perfectly okay". Like, no it's not. If you like the modern disney starwars garbage fire and give them your money make no mistake; *you are the problem and it is NOT okay.*
I’m sorry but some of the stuff I like, the animated stuff mando ahsoka even obi-wan I liked, I don’t like the sequels and acolyte but besides that I think it’s good,
I made a terrible decision on May 4th, I rewatched the sequels, hoping there was some redeeming quality that I couldn't see. If anything, those films, especially Rise of Skywalker, just show how hollow the series is now, or at least one aspect of the series, the Disney aspect.
I would rather binge watch the last five Steven Seagal movies than rewatch any of the sequels. The only thing missing from ep. IX was a post credits scene with Mickey Mouse giving us both middle fingers.
I did something similar. I first rewatched the prequels in the hopes that age had redeemed them. It did. I found the prequels delightful. Flawed, but highly entertaining. Then I watched the sequel trilogy hoping for similar results. They are just plainly not good. And worse, they’re not entertaining or rewatchable. Just a literal waste of time.
@MrHam0117 The prequels, while not perfect, took bold chances and risks, usually at the cost of some of the older fans. The sequels chose to play it safe and predictable at the cost of the rest of the fan base.
It's not the inclusion of cameos that is making the new stuff bad, it's the RELIANCE on those cameos to get people to watch. And this isn't just a star wars issue, but one with Marvel as well and it shows that it is in fact a Disney problem.
Disney had a once in a generational opportunity to create their own “Lord of the Rings” trilogy in the sense of creating one cohesive story and filming all at once. This could have been the one trilogy to surpass LOTR in regards to cinematography, filmmaking, passion and respect for existing lore, and THE AUDIENCE WAS ALREADY THERE. They acquired Lucasfilm in 2012 and still could have released the movies in 2017, 18, and 19 or something. Instead, they opted for the quick cash, knowing people would see them no matter what, and put little to no effort in them.
Yup. Not having even a crude idea of the plot for the whole trilogy mapped out before filming, last minute decisions such as Palpatine somehow returning and on top of that a couple of directors undermining each others work between films... No wonder the end result is a flaming, stinking piece of hangover poodoo to put it mildly.
When the force awakens first released I left the theatre disappointed and not excited for any upcoming projects, my friends told me I was a cynic. When the last Jedi came out they told me to give it time, when the rise of skywalker came they said they were making backstory in mando. When mando became the same story over every season (split from grogu, miss grogu, meet up with grogu) they told me to wait for Boba and Obi wan. Then they said the old republic era would kickstart it again, and then the acolyte released. I also loved halo forward unto dawn from when it released in episodes on UA-cam. What have all my friends told me recently? “Perhaps I judged you too harshly”
I do think that all of the problems of Disneys SW started back in 2015 with the Force Awakens: its a souless and uninteresting movie. Its the definition of “Disney doesnt make Star Wars films, they make movies about Star Wars”. Just do a back track, and you will see how much damage this film made to the franchise.
THANK you! Someone finally said it! It goes to show how much attention SW fans actually pay. TFA introduced the coward Luke character running away because Ben turned to the dark side, with Han clearly telling that to Rey on the Falcon, but no one in theaters paid attention. JJ put too many damn mystery boxes into the movie also for any director after him to make sense of, so Rian just did whatever. Plus, JJ was executive producer of TLJ, so he definitely had a hand in controlling what Rian could and could not do. SW fans just need to start paying attention to the dialogue instead of only focusing on the pew pew, kaboom!, and they'll see that JJ played them all these years.
I agree you had a whole f*ing universe from the old republic to the legacy era to work with and YOU disney thought it would be a great Idea to reinvent the wheel for the post endor era and look at what you done that's one broke janky ass wheel that doesn't even move
TFA is 💯 the worst movie of the ST, and I will die on this hill. It's a goofy parody remake of A New Hope that expects to be taken seriously dressed up as a sequel. It was an absolute insult to every fan.
I’ve never hated Star Wars as much as I do now. They are doing nothing with the brand. They are so out of touch and stubborn they genuinely think that they can outlive the old fans but the thing is you gotta cultivate a new fan base to replace the old and they can’t even do that.
At least in the mandalorian, the legacy characters lived and were operating in that time. Its almost more insane to not see some of those characters dealing with the empire remnants
I've been a SW fan for my whole live, and realizing that one is not obliged to watch every single SW thing that the mouse puts out has given me a lot of mental freedom, as well as the time to watch many actually good tv shows and movies such as hot d or succession. No need for BOBF, Kenobi or Ahsoka. Move on, guys. This is not SW. It hasn't been for a long time, and it never will. Why keep up with it then? The real SW will always be there.
Well said - I will go one step further and add I have gone from being someone who went to the movies every week on new release night for over a decade in the 90s to someone who may go once a year now- due to the garbage that Hollywood produces these days. Lucky we still have Denis Villeneuve - Dune 2 was a masterpiece (can’t wait for Rendevous with Rama)
Just went to watch the Phantom Menace in theatre’s and my god, I forgot how exciting it used to be to go see Star Wars in theatre’s. Can’t wait to see Attack of the clones in the future.
i'll never forget back in 1999 when the Lucasfilm logo appeared on the screen and the music kicked in at the start of the phantom menace. that was an amazing cinema moment. the crowd went absolutely crazy wild. Good times!
@@arubial1229 To be honest i loved the prequels. Really enjoyed Phantom Menace (didn't like Jar Jar) not a fan of Attack of the Clones, but the last half hour - 40mins really picked it up for me and RotS was very enjoyable (always wanted to see Sidious wield a lightsaber) with an outstanding book that came out about a week before the movie release. As good as the original trilogy; no way. But good in many ways. Disney SW's though... Utter tripe
@@arubial1229 I'm guessing you're a fan of the originals at least. Genuinely asking, one fan to another, what was it that you didn't like about the prequels? No judgement. The acting in front of green screens; the mostly poor actors; the story? I know it wasn't that you don't like sand either
@@derekknowles5805 Well there were equally an amount of those fans that lost their absolute sh*t about the Prequels and bullied and harassed Lucas and those involved in the production for years. I remember those years very well. It led Lucas to lose his passion for Star Wars. Several of the actors involved like Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best fell into deep depressions because of the harassment. I see that same type of behaviour amongst elements of the fandom today. The fandom has become or maybe always has been a cesspit.
When your offered billions it’s kind of hard to say no. He had no idea it would be destroyed, he thought he was extending its life. It’s just a shame they didn’t just take some inspiration from the legacy series.
Most comments here have a common theme. In-universe continuity and character consistency was broken. In "Star Trek", creating an extra-canonical universe where Original Series and new content lived allowed a refresh, although I know that's not perfect. But "Star Wars" worked with certain rules that, with Disney's films, were broken. All Force users, even Anakin, required training to be effective. Rey winged it, and it didn't feel right, as if she was granted power and not earned it. Worse yet, Luke and Han's characters were undermined and thrown under a bus, shadows of what they should be. "Rings of Power," recent adaptations and rehashes of once-good films--it's all the same. Write a story and stick to the rules and limits of what made the first stories great.
I know Read legends books, play good star wars games, watch star wars UA-camrs, hate disney, love the old republic. It might cheer you up just a little bit
Andor: a character with no real importance and only seen in one movie and wasn’t even the star, in a series that no one asked for, became the best series in the whole Disney EU. That’s f-ed up lol it’s also, Palpatine ironic. Lol
Didn’t mention Solo… while there were some good moments in it like Darth Maul, Han meeting Chewy, and all the Emilia Clarke moments, the movie was a disappointment that also suffered the fan anger at TLJ
Solo would not have gotten the hate it did if 1) TLJ was a decent movie, 2) they had released it in December like they had been releasing the SW movies instead of 4 months after TLJ, and 3) they didn't compete with the Avengers finale.
Not sure why folks are still crying about Star Wars....over and over and over..... Star Wars died on October 30, 2012. On that day, Lucas sold it to Disney. The most loyal harden fan base, who once slept in their cars waiting for the premier of the first Star Wars movie, without phones, DVDs or downloads were the GenXers, and due to their toughness and inability to settle for anything less abandoned it. So, what was left? Owners, producers, directors, actors who didn't sleep in their cars or camped outside the theatres to see the greatest movie of their lifetime. These "non-Star Wars" people were intellectually weaker, had no artistic grit, didn't read Star Wars film history, and felt that making a scene 10x larger without substance will move a crowd that viewed the world much like themselves....which was (is) unlike the original creators and fans.
@@PanCakeFace I’m talking about the live action. Clone wars is a cartoon so they’re not as limited. Andor is the only one that looks good. Mando still has a lot of the same issues
yep old republic era dark times/imperial era/great jedi purge era EU stuff in prequel trilogy like clone wars mulitmedia project EU stuff in Original trilogy EU stuff beyond of Original trilogy aka post return of the jedi legacy era after that this is where Expanded universe really ended and always to be Star Wars to me
@@BlakeHardeman He literally went out of his way to put EU/Legends into the Special Editions of the OT, which was totally unnecessary. He literally treated it more canon than Star Trek ever did. He didn’t have to put the Outrider, Shadows of the Empire CGI characters, into it but he did. You’ve already lost this one.
I’m a 50 year Star Wars fan. I was there as a small boy to see A New Hope at the cinema back in the 70’s. I still haven’t seen Rise of Skywalker and probably never will. I simply don’t care anymore.
@jonathangraves1221 even if you think it's a bold idea do you honestly think it was executed well? Do you think the acting is good? The pacing? The "3" trials?
Exactly look Dave filoni isn’t perfect he isn’t but all his faults he inherited from George, he is George’s apprentice and said in interviews that he talks over his shows with George . Filoni Star Wars is real Star Wars cause it’s an extension of George Lucas Star Wars. And u can feel it and same with Jon as well
@@tommyfamolare8740 he OBV has some flaws but hey at least he even likes starwars unlike past and current higher ups at least he is trying and not working only for money
@@ARCtrooper_bliz525 exactly he has heart and passion and honestly that’s all I care about, that’s what made episodes 1-6 good, none of them not even the OT was perfect but it told a beautiful story in a awsome world and filoni tried to expand that world which I like. The biggest issues with the sequels is that it seems like no one cared. Luke was treated terribly, episode 7 was way to close to episode 4, I get having things that rhyme but it was kinda ridiculous, the last Jedi had some good ideas but also really bad ones, and rise of skywalker couldn’t even commit to what the last Jedi set up, like having Rey be a nobody and kylo betraying snoke was cool. And I kinda wish kylo stayed a villain being the big bad instead of retconning Sidious in which undermines anakins sacrifice in episode 6. It just seems like the sequels had no respect for the legacy characters, hell in early drafts luke was gonna be a main character in episode 7 but they were afraid he would overshadow Rey,
@@tommyfamolare8740 the modern writers for the sequels (although not all of them) seemingly didn’t even watch 1-6. Its like they didn’t know what they were doing.. not to be an average sequels basher but the writing looks rushed its like the only reason they did 7-9 was for money (to its defense ep 7 is an actual banger) but other than that its clear why they did the sequels and the modern shows are just feminist propaganda all except filloni who is the only one actually making real lore important sht 😂 hell he should run the whole direction team
They should have filmed their crap with another name, but no, they wanted to insult original fans and call them racists, mysoginists, sexists etc., for not liking stories that have nothing to do with star wars and the real conception of the Force
I don’t want to watch a Star Wars that subverts expectations. I don’t want a show that favors moving away from George’s vision. His vision has lasted four decades and is the reason it lasted that long. I don’t need a tie in to the prequels. Disney has done nothing to heal their fan base, to bring them back together. Instead they’ve insulted them repeatedly for any criticism. I was like you. Kenobi was the nail and Ahsoka drove it in. Acolyte confirmed my decision. I’m out on Disney Star Wars.
U realize ahsoka very much was George’s vision since he taught Dave filoni and filoni also said he talks about his projects with George, tell me besides Sabine how Ashoka was bad, genuinely it feels like real Star Wars cause it is Dave filoni is real Star Wars cause he follows George’s vision, like the night sisters was George’s idea and Dave ran with it
@ I’ll answer because you were polite and asked an honest question. I appreciate that. I love Ahsoka and I love Rebels. The Ahsoka show was a pale comparison to Rebels or Clone Wars though. The characterization felt off from their animated counterparts, they had flat personalities and the growth from Rebels was mostly forgotten. There was no purpose for Hera, the impact of Jacen was left unexplored, Baylon and Shin were criminally underused, Thrawn was not the mastermind we all know him as, I’m going to repeat it because it needs it-Sabine was a travesty in Ahsoka and the show was kind of pointless. It just didn’t work for me even though they were some of my favorite characters. I named my dog Chopper in part from the crazy little droid. I wanted to love it but by the end it left me underwhelmed. I feel they added characters to try to get a memberberries and because they wanted to bring them into live action instead of telling a more concise story with a more limited character set. The part that really worked for me was the trauma Ahsoka experienced and how she made peace with herself and Anakin but it was only limited to one episode really when it should have been the season. I feel they tried to tell two stories. One was a continuation of Rebels and one was an Ahsoka story. It had potential but its execution left a lot to be desired. Does that make sense? I love these characters and if it worked for you then thats great. I don’t like to ruin stuff for people by trashing stuff they liked so normally say my piece and move on. You asked though and it seemed genuine so I answered.
🙄No they didn’t. Rebels, Bad Batch, Clone Wars Season 7, Andor, Mando S1 & S2, and Rogue One. All of these projects are pretty good to great. Star Wars would have died if Disney didn’t save Lucasfilms.
@@dominator1914Rogue one is pathetically overrated. What's good about it? Characters have no soul. It has some cool looking scenes and yeah Darth Vader looks scary. That's literally it. That's why it gets praise. Give me episode 1 over that any day. Lucas is Star Wars and his characters and the politics around them.
I have not cared to discuss Star Wars because no matter what you say, you can expect a flame war. But I will say this: I liked episode 7 when I saw it, I didn’t care that it was very similar to episode 4. I had fun with it, I enjoyed it and I thought it was an ambitious film that had some really great setups. But episode 8 took all those setups and everything that was interesting about TFA and kind of put it on the bench, and then came 9 who is just trying to figure out how to tie everything together and end it, it doesn’t make for a film trilogy that’s fun. That’s why I’m not a big fan of the sequel trilogy, there is no big picture unlike the prequels where we knew that Anakin Skywalker would be introduced in the first film and become Darth Vader in the last.
So I just got finiahed watching the orginal trilogy for May the 4th. And I've begun to discover why we love it so much. It's not just the lightsabers, the space battles, heck not even the effects. It's the awe and wonder. Listening to Yoda talk about the Force to Luke in Empire felt like a teacher giving a life changing lesson to his student. And the dialogue didn’t feel cheap, it felt authentic. Like this character really believed in the power of the Force and the effect it had on the Galaxy and the world. That's what Star Wars today is missing that awe that wonder. We got invested in Star Wars because it felt like we were in a whole new world. But now, it just feels like kids playing Star Wars real life. Where Lightsabers are just plastic sticks and our spaceships are just your Dad's old pickup truck with cardboard wings duct taped to it. Disney made Star Wars feel like exactly what it is. Fake, unreal and for children. There's no awe and wonder there, they try their darn hardest to remind you that you can't escape real life. Instead of trying to make a fake world feel like real life. George Lucas always had his head in the clouds, constantly thinking of new ideas for his future Star Wars movie. But Disney, their head isn't in the clouds It's in their a$$.
All I want is either a Star Wars show or a movie, “Shadows of the Empire.” Even based on the N64 game and should make Dash Rendar a cool-driven character alongside Andor. That could happen, but they didn't want that. If not, then I would make this series instead of what Disney can do. It could be a fun and amazing fan-favorite Star Wars entertainment.
Is No Debate that Disney Buying Star Wars from Lucas was was how the Franchise was left in Darkness and because of the Sequel Trilogy the Damages are so Deeply Painful to Watch.
I remember right as soon as EA Star Wars Battlefront 2 started getting really good they ended all development out of nowhere, we can’t have anything nice with this franchise
It's only dead for you if you consume Disney's products, there's a bunch of videogames, books, comics and media you can consume that are before 2014, you know?
I remember being ecstatic when Disney bought Star Wars. I thought with George Lucas being retired , So was Star War. I remember saying “any Star Wars is good Star Wars”. Now I flat refuse to watch any new Star Wars. But it makes me thankful too.. at least we still have the old stuff..
I believe that failing to make the final trilogy as envisioned by Lucas will historically be seen as the single worst business decision ever made - followed as a close second by the choice to ditch the EU and its great stories that would have been cinematic blockbusters. No one will ever understand why Luke, Leia and Han were sidelined and never even appeared on screen together in Disney's sequel trilogy, but entire semesters will be spent teaching college kids of the future how to avoid the decisions that have destroyed SW and so many other franchises today. I do believe that stories from the EU will be made at some point, and made well, but the opportunity to close SW as Lucas envisioned with the three heros in his final trilogy is lost forever.
Omg George never considered legends canon ever he said so himself, that’s why the prequels and clone wars didn’t follow legends continuity, alot of legends doesn’t even work anymore cause it was made before the prequels and contradicts things, hell George’s episode 7 script didn’t follow legends either, legends is good but it can’t be canon cause of how much there is and the fact that a lot doesn’t work with the canon George set episode 1-6 and the clone wars
There is no way that there are still people who like the last Jedi. They def existed when it came out, but even the biggest fans of it that I know wound up coming around. It's total trash
The force awakens started it all of it was just a bad version of a new hope it destroyed the main characters Hollywood can't do anything new that's entertaining its reboots redos stuff that's copy of other movies any wonder its dieing directors can't do anything they are all told what to do and are all carry down by this woke crap
I will always love Star Wars and I refuse to allow it to be ruined for me. The best Star Wars content right now is the animation. Clone Wars, Rebels, The Bad Batch, and Tales of the Jedi are great! Tales of the Empire was ok.
While the sequels are objectively terrible, I have to say that the show Andor is the best Star Wars product since the original trilogy, with the Knight of the Old Republic as possible exception.
I have long maintained the theory that the reason George Lucas sold Star wars to Disney, and double downed recently by showing his support for the current administration, is that he knew they would make a pig's breakfast out of it, and everyone would get off his back about how bad the prequels were.
They can't ruin what came before them, but Disney killed any new Star Wars when they didn't follow the story Lucas gave them for the sequels. Whatever that script was, it was the real story and we didn't get it.
I still love Star Wars but not because of Disney. But because of Dave Filoni. Many of the Star Wars projects he personally took part in never failed to make me feel like I was in a universe were George Lucas never sold to Disney.
"Half of Star Wars fans thought The Last Jedi was a masterpiece" Really? Barely half would have thought The Force Awakens was a masterpiece. Do you remember Fin placing his hand on Reys head when climbing up - like in cartoons? If he really put weight into his hand he would have seriously injured her neck...
Star Wars was good when the person who owned it had passion and love for it. Disney bought it to make profit, not to improve it. When there is no passion, there is no originality and therefore only nostalgia
I lost hope on star wars when force awakens came out. They literally recycled a new hope and killed off one of the most beloved characters in the franchise in the most retarded way.
I loved it when it first came out, then when people pointed out it wasn't original, I started to dislike it, not only that but the rest of the trilogy brings it down too. There's a ton of people who loved TFA when it first released cause the Star Wars hype was brought back to life. I still think it's the best in the trilogy, though. My love for Star Wars started to die with Kenobi, and now, finally, Acolyte and Rey movie. I just cant with it anymore
Disney fooled us into thinking Finn was going to be the lead character-s Stormtrooper who becomes a Jedi. The commercials had Finn being the first character to be revealed. And then the bait and switch. Finn becomes the Star Wars Simp for Rey.
what really sucks is how disney pushed back against the dissatisfied fandom to the breaking point... the point that even the general audience is apathetic and enthusiasm is in the sub-levels of energy. now that public stock on WDC has plummeted to near-worthlessness, they NOW decide to pivot, and the change in tone feels disingenuous. great essay, btw, it pretty much sums up how i believe most of the fans feel...
I get where you're coming from but Disney stock is nowhere near worthless. It was $98.62 a share today. That's down almost 50% over the last few years sure, but not anywhere near "worthless"
Andor was absolutely terrible, I'm tired of youtubers all shilling for it, it is boring as shit full of girl bosses. Rogue One is the only good thing Disney ever produced using Star Wars.
Have to say that outside the theatrical releases I haven't caught any Disney Star Wars, largely because I'm not nine any more and have simply outgrown it. But a large part of the current problems are that it is treated as a franchise and in modern Disney terms that is to squeeze every last drop of blood from whatever they own. Disney's business model has, for a long time, been to make a movie and, if successful, a sequel, after that they keep on pumping out product with the inevitable diminishing returns.
It's absolutely insane that they didn't have a plan for the sequels. Anyone in their right mind would fire everyone who approved it to be made that way. Billions of dollars and these people just wing it. Incredible mix of arrogance and idiocy
I just can't work out why the even went ahead with a trilogy and not have an overall plan.. like that is incredible stupid!!!
Although TBF Lucas did not have a plan for the OT nor the PT
@@thibaud1832 Lucas didn’t have a plan during the production of the first SW movie because he wasn’t expecting it to be such a huge success. When he began the process of creating the second SW film is when he decided to come up with the third film and the concept for the entire prequel trilogy.
@@thibaud1832You can’t really make that comparison effectively. One person created the actual universe. The other needed to work within the existing universe.
@@thibaud1832- get out of here newb… you’re the reason why disney still puts crap out and calls it Star Wars.
Don’t just spew sh!t out like it has any truth to it. Know your Facts.
Disney SW isn’t canon. End of discussion
Says who ?
The last time that I checked, the fans had no say in that matter.
@@ttanza4004 The fans have ALL the say in the matter. We are the consumers. If we reject the product, then Disney needs to adapt or fail. They are a corporation, and they care about profits. So yeah, we as consumers/fans decide what we like and dislike.
Disney may legally define what canon is, but the fandom actually decides what ultimately constitutes our own head canon.
Similar to Middle Earth canon, The Rings of Power may be “Tolkien-ish” in name but it isn’t canon, even though Amazon owns the rights to the appendices.
Disney owns the rights to all of Star Wars, but what they have delivered is so bad (in my opinion), that the fandom may decide it does not qualify as canon, legal entitlement be d#mned.
@@ttanza4004we don't claim sequels we won't
Anikin is born becomes a Jedi (as he is ) loses an arm married Padme becomes Vader kills ppl fights luke kills palaps and dies
That all that star wars that all
END
Fake star wars
Once they removed the creator it's fake
@ttanza4004 use your imagination
That's where the Canon is
you know it's bad when EA treats Star Wars with more respect than Lucasfilm itself!
Oh how the turn tables
And yet they put microtransactions in battlefront 2 with lootboxes that have nothing but crap or nothing in them.
@@StoicSurvivor99 yeeeeah
The Cal Kestis Jedi Games have simply the best stories Star Wars have created in the last years, i swear. Comparable to the original trilogy If you ask me.
@@StoicSurvivor99well, that's better than the original idea, lootboxes with p2win items
As someone who grew up in the prequel era, I can safely say that the kids just don’t like starwars these days. The kids don’t talk about it, it’s just not a part of the culture it’s just another franchise now.
Disney has turned the name of Star Wars into budget sci-fi, a lot of people palm the criticism off as nitpicking… but that’s what made it STAR WARS the details, rules, world building, aesthetic we’re all super specific and important to long time fans. The more and more you change established lore you start to distant yourself from the audience that cares the most.
Starwars is being actively made for a casual audiences and that’s really really sad.
Just imagine the kotor trailers with disneys unlimited budget and resources, that’s how badly they had fumbled the opportunity. They cancelled all their movies after making a trilogy without a plan and now they are just pumping out daytime tv to keep Disney + alive.
Star Wars was cool becouse it was for everyone.
A Casual person can have fun watching it, while a fan can enjoy the fact every single extra in the Original Trilogy has *some* background - a short story, figures, etc.
Today it's just bullshit where some main characters have less background info on them than the fucking podracers from Episode 1.
@@user-bigchungus1984I disagree that it's for everyone or that it was for everyone. It used to be for nerds.
That's the thing, I've seen the sort of sentiment that 'in 20 years people will come around to the sequels just like they are doing now to the prequels' but that's never going to happen. I don't think anyone is growing up with the new movies and shows the same way we did with the prequels and Clone Wars, and while the prequels were very flawed movies in many regards, they still had a unifying vision and a story to tell. There's a lot to like in there if you can look past it's numerous mistakes.
The new stuff on the other hand is purely just churned out with the intent to cash in on a dying IP, while pushing the real life agendas of the people working on it. If we're lucky, maybe in 20 years the franchise will be in the hands of people who put genuine care and effort into it again, and we can all look back on this era as 'The Dark Times'
My wife cancelled our Disney+ subscription after watching the 2nd episode of The Acolyte.
We miss loving Star Wars.
The power of one…
The power of tewww
did the same then I got a 2 montsh free discount from d+ xD
The power of mannnnnnyyyyyyyyy
That's pretty extreme. Because there are way worse StarWars series
Finally Star Wars and Star Trek fans can come together. We both detest that soulless cash grabbing ideologs destroyed our beloved worlds.
Can I add Halo to that?
You can add LOTR, Witcher and so on.
Marvel
Honestly, what hasn't been ruined at this point.
Walking Dead
Just considering the sequels alone, Kathleen Kennedy has cost this studio (at least) *$1B* in lost profits.. and that doesn't even take into account all the terrible TV shows, the Solo movie (the biggest SW flop, so far), merchandising, the failed hotel, Galaxy's Edge, etc
Her still being gainfully employed is one of the most baffling business decisions in the 21st century
AND like you say, that's just "considering the sequels alone." If we factor in another 2 Franchises under Lucasfilm - Willow and Indiana Jones that Kathy Kennedy has also completely destroyed.
IDK, I would say that in the Case of Indiana Jones, there wasn’t that much hype left in it. I just didn’t care for much with the end of Indy 4. Why? Because Indy was already old and the way it ended. I’m not even saying I’m disappointed if his son got killed off after this, I’m just saying Indiana Jones didn’t feel like it had anything substantial or new to offer at that point.
@@KaosNova2 true, true. Even so, they could have sent him off with some dignity, but he got the Luke Skywalker treatment as well.
She knows where the bodies are buried
She’s basically got dirt/ a clause in her contract that prevents her from getting fired or they would have to pay an OBSCENE Fee that they not only couldn’t afford financially, they can’t afford to put pride aside and look for passion rather than agenda/connections/blackmail.
I don’t know how Lucas did it, but he understood how to release his movies by releasing 4 through 6 and 1 through threes years apart from one another. He understood how to make Star Wars feel special which Disney does not.
I don’t think it has anything to do with Lucas having some great pacing plan, it just took longer to make those types of movies back then and there were truly unique bc nothing like it existed at the time.
but lucas also has his flaws the OT turned out great because he had people controlling him but in the PT he had no limits so he went all out. don't let george lucas cook or you get the prequels. i mean the PT had some good ideas revenge of the sith was good but as movies they are not good with clunky dialogue and just kinda weird
I think it's pretty obvious how Lucas did it, he had a vision for his trilogies. He started with a general idea of the story he would tell across three movies and fleshed out the details as each one was made. Disney had no fucking clue what the whole story would be when they started making the Force Awakens. They were just hoping each successive writer could build on the work of the last and somehow make a cohesive trilogy. That was one of the stupidest fucking ideas they could have ever had, they should have made an outline for all three movies then had the individual writers fill in the details for each movie while following this outline. That's ultimately what makes the prequels better than the sequels, they may be rough but they had a cohesive story across all three movies
@@eduardoalcazar2600they did what Lucas did and that was too have no really story until the next one had to be made. It’s why you mixed facts like leia being 16 for two movies and then by the ep6 she’s now Luke’s twin . Or that the Jedi robes are just sand clothing for tatioonie. Things just fell into place and it works and I think they thought that could work for 7-9 but the catch was the og trilogy has no corporate meddling only Lucas wanting things to maximise toy sales😊
He said they didn’t have the technology for VFX for the clone wars at the time ..
For me Revenge of sith is end of Star Wars. I literally watched every show and movie until Ashoka and decided that the only way I can keep loving star wars is if I limit star Wars to first 6 films.
Same
I agree although I would include clone wars, its really good and massive lore expansion.
Yeah it's pretty great conclusion
Cant forget the clone wars movie
What about the clone wars cartoon
Criticize George Lucas all you want for his bad dialogue choices in the prequels, but at least he knew how to tell an authentic, connected, and informative story, actually cared about the fans, and made his films feel magical. Disney wanted money first or foremost and had no idea how to continue the story, resulting in a mess beyond the sequel trilogy. It’s disheartening to see a once magical and worthwhile franchise become a soulless cashcow.
They had soul
@@eightnickel1513 I have watched the prequels literally dozens of times, but I have yet to hear a single line of bad dialogue 🤷🏼♀️
Where are those (in)famous scenes?? Are they on some kind of hidden track after the actual movies? 🤔
@fundhund62 there are some laughable moments sprinkled throughout the films if you pay close attention. Does that make them bad films? No
@@mattr2626 There aren't, actually. 🤷🏻♂️
@@fundhund62 i mean.. to each their own. If you can't find some awkward one liners in those films you're blinded by nostalgia
I said Disney would kill marvel and Star Wars years ago and I was right They should've stuck with kids animation. Now even their kids movies suck
Yes they should’ve with the animation and pirates of the Caribbean, but look how far Marvel went from Iron Man to Endgame. And there are good one like X-Men 97, Deadpool and Wolverine, GOTG 3, Wandavision, Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night. The rest like the Marvels, She-Hulk, Agatha all along and Secret Invasion were 💩. There’s still hope for Marvel, and I’ve never been a Star Trek fan. But as for Star Wars, it’s dead in the water.
Good joke
Eh, the Lego cartoons are pretty good
Marvel is not comparable to Star Wars. Marvel movies are just supposed to look cool and have some basic themes of humanity
I haven’t seen a single Disney “Star Wars” since TLJ.
I’m just done with it, and I never EVER thought I’d ever feel that way.
It’s such a damn shame
Same Here... the only Movie I've seen in my life where I walked out the theater thinking "something is wrong with the world"
Just watch andor only.
Me to mate after the last jedi I drew a line in the sand and never :watched,played,or liked ANYTHING related to disney star wars
@@Hanzfox1in that case I’m not sure where you will like Andor then. It’s so much better than anything else they’ve done that it might frustrate you into asking why- if they can make this- everything else is such crap then?!
Solo and Andor *are* really good though!
They turned it into content, not productions.
Also, forcing fans to watch multiple shows to follow one storyline is greasy stuff
*cough cough* m-she-u *cough cough*
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Greezy money
I find it increasingly ironic that the big hero of “Disney Star Wars” is really just a Palpatine that calls herself a Skywalker.
lol never thought of this xD. Even forgot Rey was a palpatine. It just shows how little I care for the sequels, don’t even remember what they were about
I have to disagree that Last Jedi was the pivot point. The Force Awakens had already sent SW into the toilet. It had some good stuff (I liked the new protagonists), sure, but mostly it jumbled the established lore, soaked the screen with boring retreads of stuff we’d already seen over and over, and robbed us of the one thing we wanted most - a great story about the original characters.
The success and the maturity of Dune is everything we wanted from the new Star Wars films.
This couldn’t have been said any better!!!!
Not really.
Kathleen Kennedy: "My star wars is the best of all"
Paul Atreides: S I L E N C E
@@torq21yes really
@@acceptyourself9582 if they wanted to make Luke suddenly try to kill his nephew they should have embraced it and have Luke turn to the dark side and have him kill Snoke and become something like his character in the Dark Empire comic.
SW is glorified fast food now. While stuff like Andor is chicken salad with dressing. A show that was made lucky. While everything else was lucky to be made. And that's all coming from a modern SW neutralist and apologist. Make that what you will.
That's rough buddy
@@LuisSierra42 I...I understood that reference.
Calling modern Star Wars glorified fast food is insulting to fast food
Andor is bad Star Wars. It doesn't feel as a in-universe link to Star Wars. It's an ok-ish good sci-fi series, but it doesn't feel as a Star Wars at all. The only good Star Wars that came under Disney, movies/series/animations are: Rogue One/season 1 of Mandalorian/Rebels and last season of the Clone Wars, even if it was a changed animation, it still felt like Star Wars. The rest are not even good as sci-fi movies, series or animations, they are just bad.
@@otakuConn No idea.
I’m 48 years old when I was two years old the first movie I ever went to my parents took me to see the original Star Wars in 1977. I am too young to remember that so obviously I’ve seen it many times since then I remember when the Empire back came out, my dad took me eight times to see it because I loved it so much when I was a kid. And so on and so on. when Disney first got Star Wars, I was extremely excited about it being that I have been a lifelong fan. I liked the force awakens and I loved Rogue One. Then The last Jedi came out, I walked out of the theater about halfway through that’s when Star Wars died for me. Star Wars ended in 2005 with the revenge of the sith.
Spoken like a true fan.😢🤟🏾🫡
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. I'd say Star Wars ended with the Clone Wars show and The force unleashed 2
I’m curious how you felt after the prequel trilogy ended. I was born in 88, so my introduction to the original trilogy happened when the re-release in theaters happened in around 1998. By the time I watched the prequel trilogy, I’d watched so many great movies that I didn’t think those three movies were anything special. There were moments that shined brightly, but there was also a lot of disappointment. (Side note: I also love Rogue One.)
@@alexloyola6762 to be honest, I thought they were ok Being episode one and two. My favorite Star Wars movie of all time is revenge of the sith. which is Part of the prequel trilogy.
@@bshann75revenge of the sith?? Yikes…that’s terrible.
The series don't bother me as much. But what they did to Luke on the sequel trilogy was awful. It was also disappointing that we lost Han to kylo ren only to have him still be a disappointing villain in the later films.
*The prequels are shitty movies that love Star Wars, the sequels are shitty movies that hate Star Wars*
Amen!
You’re being WAY to kind towards this shitty Disney trilogy. And this isn’t Star Wars, it’s DISNEY Star Wars.
Damn straight brother!
Nah, you're still giving it too much credit- it's high end fan fiction, stuff that belongs on Patreon or a free YT channel- I get what you're saying though, I'm just hyperbole-ing a bit :P
They should’ve called the Disney trilogy ‘Folks in Space’ 😂 Disney needs to do their own D grade sci fi and leave Star Wars out of it. The problem is they won’t make any money and they know it
@@Lord_of_ChaoSanHigh-end fan fiction? I think not!
@@Lord_of_ChaoSanLow, low, low-end
I can't believe they're even thinking about making a Rey movie. I guess there may be enough people out there that like the sequels but is it enough to support another "Rey can do anything" movie?
I doubt there are enough people who like the sequels. They would have to try to keep the budget to less than $150 mil to give it a chance at being profitable.
I can't wait to see how much they lose on a Rey movie and the photos of mostly empty cinemas that will be denied.
They appointed her the messiah. They had 9 films. They've filled in all the gaps around the main plot. Unless they do "Star Wars: The Sith: Pets" and have an animated show about force sensitive dachshunds, then they need probably need to propel the narrative forward and create a new plot. Then they can fill in the gaps around that for 15 years.
The movies with Rey didn’t flop like Solo, so they took it as an approval for more movies with her.
The movie will be about her doing everything Luke Skywalker should have done..
Another big issue with TLJ was that it whipped the media into a frenzy, with them going after the “toxic man-babies”, which typified the “blame the fans” movement. “Star Wars fans are so entitled! They are never happy! The complain about everything! No one hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans!”
Fast forward to today, and what do they have to show for it? Toy sales down by over 60%, with pallets of them rotting for years at discount stores, news that the Disney Star Wars films only earned 1.2 Billion in profit at the box office (meaning Disney is still 2.8 Billion in the hole from a box office stance) from their $4 billion purchase of Lucasfilm 10 years later, no new Star Wars movies in nearly 5 years, $1 billion marketing push for The High Republic (which has gone nowhere), another billion into the Galactic Starcruiser Hotel (which closed in a year and a half), expensive live action series that get terrible reviews (and viewer ratings so poor that Disney doesn’t show them anymore), animated shows that are all but forgotten, and now three trailers for upcoming Star Wars projects are all massively downvoted. You have dozens of projects announced then abandoned, directors switched out and having most of their films reshot, and worse still the film starring the character nobody wants is being directed by a woman who has only done documentaries and was quoted saying “I enjoy making men uncomfortable”.
Years from now Lucasfilm will be used in business schools as a cautionary tale of what happens when you alienate your customer base. It truly is a tragic fate: what was once seen as a pinnacle of modern entertainment, a proverbial golden goose, has been destroyed, choked to death, with only the memories of better days and stories to comfort us. It breaks my heart.
It's honestly depressing seeing star wars croak like this while it could be a treasure trove of essentally bottomless wealth in the right hands. You could do stories from all over the galexy and have them be disconnected from the main line. But instead Kathleen Kennedy nuked hundreds of stories from orbit, only to bitch about not having books and comics to pull from.
Very well said DainRiffgin!
Well said.
@@zachrohler1047 Insane. Its like Marvel abandoning all its classic heroes and coming up with "new" ones for live action....What a way to mismanage the franchise...And the fact that she hasn't been fired is mind boggling...The fans hate her, she is a lightning rod of negative publicity....People in Hollywood are constantly failing upwards..Just ZERO accountability and pure gaslighting.
actually the sequel trilogy made over 4 billion TFA made 2 billion and TLJ and TRoS made 1 billion each
Let’s not forget how they keep blaming the fans for being toxic or whatever instead of taking responsibility for their failures.
They wouldn't be able to blame the fans being toxic if the fans weren't absolutely toxic as fuck.
"so i'm sure we'll be talking about the acolyte again very soon" this is like reading an ancient tablet predicting an earthquake
Personally I love how they got busted for using a Hot Toys Palapatine on the ROS poster....and didn't change it.
A HotToys Palp.?
@@librapan8 The image of Palpatine on the ROS poster is a photograph of a large action figure! ... Not the actor in costume, but a damn high quality toy!
It's a farce and just highlights how lazy they can be ...
What?! Seriously?
@@robotzombie9 Yup for real
Lol i remember that
Every single step, every single one that you've described is exactly how I felt as time went on with this franchise. You even highlighted the bright spots that gave a new hope (pun most-definitely intended); and by that, I mean Rogue One and Andor. It's cathartic to hear someone break down this downfall so perfectly.
Appreciate it man!
Tell me why andor was so good again? Was it the ak47? Was it coco puffs boy? Was it random ahh people dancing on a mountain? Was it the stupid monologues? Was it a mid jaikbreak sequence that I've seen a million times elsewhere? Was it the "scary headphones" and trash acting? Was it throwing in references to Rebels that made no sense? Was it the AMAZING romance sequences we got between various types of couples? Including a stalker and an ISB agent who doesn't know how to act? Or was it the 2 seconds we saw of the death star? Seriously.
@@michaelm541 Whenever I do something stupid and question how intelligent I am, I'll come back and read your comment so I feel better. Massive thanks to you, sir.
Keep reading it cuz I think you missed the point. Andor was bad for some of the reasons I mentioned above. I wanted someone to tell me why they thought it was good.
@@michaelm541Any story sounds that way when you say like that, but you’ve already heard everything great about this show. No point in me repeating it.
Why did they keep on hiring people who didn't like or didn't know Star Wars? Seems like a really weird decision.
At the very least they could have been like "If you want the job, LEARN."
Disney have done what they did because they wanted to destroy a bastion of popular culture. It is the only thing that makes any sense of all this; coupled with how they are paid directly (but in a round-about way) by Blackrock who also force them to adhere to shitty DEI stuff. The "little hats people" at the top of this chain hate for westerners to have any hero's that are white; or seemingly anything good and wholesome. Star Wars, Star Trek, Indiana J, Marvel, so many more with Dr Who and Warhammer40k the most recent... Change my mind, please change my mind. Tell me what I've seen happening over the last 14yrs or so is only in my mind and that decent stories and good vs bad entertainment disappearing is only due to myself getting older and grumpy (only 40yrs young btw)
@@Avian-24nope, you’re right. It’s a Demoralization Campaign against White Men.
@@Avian-24
They didn’t want to destroy it, that’s just a byproduct of poor decision making.
Disney wanted to make money and make it right away off of Star Wars. Instead of planning out what was going to happen they just went… We got Star Wars let’s start printing money!
They thought, Star Wars fans will just come to the movies and start throwing money at us, and we’ll make minor modern changes to things that will attract new fans as well.
They didn’t do their research and just started pushing product out in an attempt to make their millions back as quickly as possible.
Then, on top of that, they have a bunch of higher-ups that seem to want to push a certain agenda with the movies and how they are produced, and who directs them rather than just tell good stories.
They were handed the keys to a Ferrari and told don’t wreck it, and the first thing they did was go out for it and burn out the engine.
It's all about checking boxes for them, actual talent comes in a far second.
But you would think that those who are hired and know nothing WOULD TRY to learn
@@kylebeggs3845They wanted to appease all audiences. But we all know it’s for the people and they don’t really care about minorities and the LGBTQNFL community. It’s actually even MORE evil that they pretend to care by just stuffing black and Asians actors in our faces with only ill intent. It’s just a shit show with the world now, it’s just woke bs. We can have a good story without a gay man or trans being shoved in our face or men being shoved to the side to push female power, like the “the force is female”. I’m certain though, if the last Jedi never came out and they kept JJ abrams then it would’ve been even better.
In Ernest Hemingway’s novel, The Sun Also Rises, one character questions another on how he went bankrupt. The answer: “Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”
Disney basically purchased Ferrari, started making Dodges, and labeled them as Ferraris.
My favourite franchise since I was a kid and even to this day. Its a shame how greed, activism and a warped ideology can destroy something so grand. I hope I get to see the return of Star Wars...again. Great video mate :) .
Disney has broken Star Wars so beyond repair that I honestly feel depressed just thinking about Star Wars.
We all need message Disney and tell them to retcon all their shows and woke movies. Best way to do it is not watching anything they make anymore.
@@raydiaz2772 My father is an old Star Wars fan, and has seen the Acolyte to give Disney another chance. But thank god he has been disappointed.
Me I'm still proud of being a star wars fan because after diseny got hold of star wars i drew a line in the sand and diseny can't cross it. Only 6 films a whole eu out there
You people are so dramatic 😂
The original 6 movies will never go away. I don’t care what Disney does I don’t have to watch anything they make
I have been grieving for 10 years. The Real Star Wars before Disney will live on in the fans
Correct
Why only 10 years? Star Wars died in 1997.
Yeah they put a 5ft girl against one of the most powerful dark lords, and she won, but with mental bullshit. Wtf
I hate it when a UA-camr starts by saying "if you like this "x" thing that I'm criticizing that's perfectly okay". Like, no it's not. If you like the modern disney starwars garbage fire and give them your money make no mistake; *you are the problem and it is NOT okay.*
I’m sorry but some of the stuff I like, the animated stuff mando ahsoka even obi-wan I liked, I don’t like the sequels and acolyte but besides that I think it’s good,
I made a terrible decision on May 4th, I rewatched the sequels, hoping there was some redeeming quality that I couldn't see.
If anything, those films, especially Rise of Skywalker, just show how hollow the series is now, or at least one aspect of the series, the Disney aspect.
You should have just got some Legends content.
@Infamous1892 I still read the so-called "Legends" work. Can't believe Disney made all of that hardwork non-canon and replaced it with their garbage.
I would rather binge watch the last five Steven Seagal movies than rewatch any of the sequels. The only thing missing from ep. IX was a post credits scene with Mickey Mouse giving us both middle fingers.
I did something similar.
I first rewatched the prequels in the hopes that age had redeemed them. It did. I found the prequels delightful. Flawed, but highly entertaining.
Then I watched the sequel trilogy hoping for similar results. They are just plainly not good. And worse, they’re not entertaining or rewatchable. Just a literal waste of time.
@MrHam0117 The prequels, while not perfect, took bold chances and risks, usually at the cost of some of the older fans. The sequels chose to play it safe and predictable at the cost of the rest of the fan base.
It's not the inclusion of cameos that is making the new stuff bad, it's the RELIANCE on those cameos to get people to watch. And this isn't just a star wars issue, but one with Marvel as well and it shows that it is in fact a Disney problem.
Disney had a once in a generational opportunity to create their own “Lord of the Rings” trilogy in the sense of creating one cohesive story and filming all at once. This could have been the one trilogy to surpass LOTR in regards to cinematography, filmmaking, passion and respect for existing lore, and THE AUDIENCE WAS ALREADY THERE. They acquired Lucasfilm in 2012 and still could have released the movies in 2017, 18, and 19 or something.
Instead, they opted for the quick cash, knowing people would see them no matter what, and put little to no effort in them.
They should learn from lord of the rings! Yes they make stuff etc but don’t chern it out like once a month’s
Yup. Not having even a crude idea of the plot for the whole trilogy mapped out before filming, last minute decisions such as Palpatine somehow returning and on top of that a couple of directors undermining each others work between films... No wonder the end result is a flaming, stinking piece of hangover poodoo to put it mildly.
And now this Lord of the Rings level trilogy is Dune (which Star Wars is heavily influenced by). Kinda fitting really
When the force awakens first released I left the theatre disappointed and not excited for any upcoming projects, my friends told me I was a cynic. When the last Jedi came out they told me to give it time, when the rise of skywalker came they said they were making backstory in mando. When mando became the same story over every season (split from grogu, miss grogu, meet up with grogu) they told me to wait for Boba and Obi wan. Then they said the old republic era would kickstart it again, and then the acolyte released.
I also loved halo forward unto dawn from when it released in episodes on UA-cam. What have all my friends told me recently?
“Perhaps I judged you too harshly”
At 9:41, why is he using a ak47?
I do think that all of the problems of Disneys SW started back in 2015 with the Force Awakens: its a souless and uninteresting movie. Its the definition of “Disney doesnt make Star Wars films, they make movies about Star Wars”. Just do a back track, and you will see how much damage this film made to the franchise.
THANK you! Someone finally said it! It goes to show how much attention SW fans actually pay. TFA introduced the coward Luke character running away because Ben turned to the dark side, with Han clearly telling that to Rey on the Falcon, but no one in theaters paid attention. JJ put too many damn mystery boxes into the movie also for any director after him to make sense of, so Rian just did whatever. Plus, JJ was executive producer of TLJ, so he definitely had a hand in controlling what Rian could and could not do. SW fans just need to start paying attention to the dialogue instead of only focusing on the pew pew, kaboom!, and they'll see that JJ played them all these years.
I agree you had a whole f*ing universe from the old republic to the legacy era to work with and YOU disney thought it would be a great Idea to reinvent the wheel for the post endor era and look at what you done that's one broke janky ass wheel that doesn't even move
TFA is 💯 the worst movie of the ST, and I will die on this hill. It's a goofy parody remake of A New Hope that expects to be taken seriously dressed up as a sequel. It was an absolute insult to every fan.
The fact that I’ve switched to being more excited for dune then Star Wars means a lot to me.
It means you've grown up
@@Mopark25No
Once messiah comes out I can definitely say the first dune trilogy is better than Star Wars OT
@@Notfakeultra what a joke.
@@lighting4000 how so
I’ve never hated Star Wars as much as I do now. They are doing nothing with the brand. They are so out of touch and stubborn they genuinely think that they can outlive the old fans but the thing is you gotta cultivate a new fan base to replace the old and they can’t even do that.
I'm with u a long time ago
I don’t want a Rey movie, I want a Ray Park movie
At least in the mandalorian, the legacy characters lived and were operating in that time. Its almost more insane to not see some of those characters dealing with the empire remnants
I've been a SW fan for my whole live, and realizing that one is not obliged to watch every single SW thing that the mouse puts out has given me a lot of mental freedom, as well as the time to watch many actually good tv shows and movies such as hot d or succession. No need for BOBF, Kenobi or Ahsoka. Move on, guys. This is not SW. It hasn't been for a long time, and it never will. Why keep up with it then? The real SW will always be there.
Well said - I will go one step further and add I have gone from being someone who went to the movies every week on new release night for over a decade in the 90s to someone who may go once a year now- due to the garbage that Hollywood produces these days. Lucky we still have Denis Villeneuve - Dune 2 was a masterpiece (can’t wait for Rendevous with Rama)
Just went to watch the Phantom Menace in theatre’s and my god, I forgot how exciting it used to be to go see Star Wars in theatre’s. Can’t wait to see Attack of the clones in the future.
i'll never forget back in 1999 when the Lucasfilm logo appeared on the screen and the music kicked in at the start of the phantom menace. that was an amazing cinema moment. the crowd went absolutely crazy wild. Good times!
Too bad the prequels were also trash. Nowhere near as bad as Disney, but still terrible.
@@arubial1229 To be honest i loved the prequels. Really enjoyed Phantom Menace (didn't like Jar Jar) not a fan of Attack of the Clones, but the last half hour - 40mins really picked it up for me and RotS was very enjoyable (always wanted to see Sidious wield a lightsaber) with an outstanding book that came out about a week before the movie release. As good as the original trilogy; no way. But good in many ways. Disney SW's though... Utter tripe
@@Avian-24 people are allowed to like bad things. Hell, the Cleveland Browns are pathetic but they still have fans lol
@@arubial1229 I'm guessing you're a fan of the originals at least. Genuinely asking, one fan to another, what was it that you didn't like about the prequels? No judgement. The acting in front of green screens; the mostly poor actors; the story? I know it wasn't that you don't like sand either
George Lucas should've never sold Star Wars to Disney episodes 1-6 are the real movies still have the 2004 and early 2000s DVDs
Well then you shouldn't have been a-holes towards him when the prequels came out.
I wasn't one of those I enjoyed episode 1 and had the toys when it came out as a kid
@@derekknowles5805 Well there were equally an amount of those fans that lost their absolute sh*t about the Prequels and bullied and harassed Lucas and those involved in the production for years. I remember those years very well. It led Lucas to lose his passion for Star Wars. Several of the actors involved like Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best fell into deep depressions because of the harassment. I see that same type of behaviour amongst elements of the fandom today. The fandom has become or maybe always has been a cesspit.
When your offered billions it’s kind of hard to say no. He had no idea it would be destroyed, he thought he was extending its life.
It’s just a shame they didn’t just take some inspiration from the legacy series.
@@BlueHooloovooShaddup
A grown man can’t take criticism?
It started going wrong with Force Awakens because that movies was just A New Hope a second time.
Most comments here have a common theme. In-universe continuity and character consistency was broken. In "Star Trek", creating an extra-canonical universe where Original Series and new content lived allowed a refresh, although I know that's not perfect. But "Star Wars" worked with certain rules that, with Disney's films, were broken. All Force users, even Anakin, required training to be effective. Rey winged it, and it didn't feel right, as if she was granted power and not earned it. Worse yet, Luke and Han's characters were undermined and thrown under a bus, shadows of what they should be. "Rings of Power," recent adaptations and rehashes of once-good films--it's all the same. Write a story and stick to the rules and limits of what made the first stories great.
The one major issue Disney made about Star wars was that they deliberately ruined the Lightsaber physics, the choreography fight scenes and such
what u don’t like the glow in the dark sticks they swing like bats!?
Star Wars makes me depressed now 😭😭
Same 😔
Its over.
💯
I know
Read legends books, play good star wars games, watch star wars UA-camrs, hate disney, love the old republic. It might cheer you up just a little bit
@@Hanzfox1 legends books is my favorite part of Star Wars! Disneys first move de-canonizing it all was the worst
Andor: a character with no real importance and only seen in one movie and wasn’t even the star, in a series that no one asked for, became the best series in the whole Disney EU. That’s f-ed up lol it’s also, Palpatine ironic. Lol
Didn’t mention Solo… while there were some good moments in it like Darth Maul, Han meeting Chewy, and all the Emilia Clarke moments, the movie was a disappointment that also suffered the fan anger at TLJ
Solo would not have gotten the hate it did if 1) TLJ was a decent movie, 2) they had released it in December like they had been releasing the SW movies instead of 4 months after TLJ, and 3) they didn't compete with the Avengers finale.
Not sure why folks are still crying about Star Wars....over and over and over.....
Star Wars died on October 30, 2012. On that day, Lucas sold it to Disney. The most loyal harden fan base, who once slept in their cars waiting for the premier of the first Star Wars movie, without phones, DVDs or downloads were the GenXers, and due to their toughness and inability to settle for anything less abandoned it. So, what was left? Owners, producers, directors, actors who didn't sleep in their cars or camped outside the theatres to see the greatest movie of their lifetime. These "non-Star Wars" people were intellectually weaker, had no artistic grit, didn't read Star Wars film history, and felt that making a scene 10x larger without substance will move a crowd that viewed the world much like themselves....which was (is) unlike the original creators and fans.
Why do Disney Star Wars shows look so ugly? They just look like low budget fan made shows. It’s sickening to look at
Budget, time crunch, lack of passion and talent and the volume stage
*cough* andor, bad batch, clone wars season 7, ahsoka, visions *cough*
@@PanCakeFace I’m talking about the live action. Clone wars is a cartoon so they’re not as limited. Andor is the only one that looks good. Mando still has a lot of the same issues
@@youtubeman2001 shoulda clarified that. they also don't look ugly but i will agree that they do look generic
@@PanCakeFacethey look terrible my guy. It looks like a nasty fan film. It’s just disgusting and disrespectful.
Star Wars had so much content in the expanded universe of novels and games. What a waste!
I liked Bounty Hunter and Jedi Academy at least I didn’t have to be Luke in those games.
yep old republic era dark times/imperial era/great jedi purge era EU stuff in prequel trilogy like clone wars mulitmedia project EU stuff in Original trilogy EU stuff beyond of Original trilogy aka post return of the jedi legacy era after that this is where Expanded universe really ended and always to be Star Wars to me
George Lucas never considered the EU/Legends as canon.
@@BlakeHardeman He literally went out of his way to put EU/Legends into the Special Editions of the OT, which was totally unnecessary. He literally treated it more canon than Star Trek ever did. He didn’t have to put the Outrider, Shadows of the Empire CGI characters, into it but he did. You’ve already lost this one.
But Kathleen Kennedy said there was no content ,No comics, No novels. Nothing
I’m a 50 year Star Wars fan. I was there as a small boy to see A New Hope at the cinema back in the 70’s. I still haven’t seen Rise of Skywalker and probably never will. I simply don’t care anymore.
Line in the sand I agree I've also been a star wars fan though not as old there only 6 films and eu built by the fans
3:11 I've never encountered a soul who said that the last jedi was a masterpiece.
Oh they exist. They love the Luke treatment. You see "he has changed because people change. It's realistic and gritty".
@@hmmmmmmminteresting Duuuuuuuuuuuh
I wouldn’t call it a masterpiece but I do love it and how bold it was granted I totally understand why people hate it
@jonathangraves1221 even if you think it's a bold idea do you honestly think it was executed well? Do you think the acting is good? The pacing? The "3" trials?
Its the higher ups are blinded by money... dave filoni is single handingly keeping the franchise alive
Exactly look Dave filoni isn’t perfect he isn’t but all his faults he inherited from George, he is George’s apprentice and said in interviews that he talks over his shows with George . Filoni Star Wars is real Star Wars cause it’s an extension of George Lucas Star Wars. And u can feel it and same with Jon as well
@@tommyfamolare8740 he OBV has some flaws but hey at least he even likes starwars unlike past and current higher ups at least he is trying and not working only for money
@@ARCtrooper_bliz525 exactly he has heart and passion and honestly that’s all I care about, that’s what made episodes 1-6 good, none of them not even the OT was perfect but it told a beautiful story in a awsome world and filoni tried to expand that world which I like. The biggest issues with the sequels is that it seems like no one cared. Luke was treated terribly, episode 7 was way to close to episode 4, I get having things that rhyme but it was kinda ridiculous, the last Jedi had some good ideas but also really bad ones, and rise of skywalker couldn’t even commit to what the last Jedi set up, like having Rey be a nobody and kylo betraying snoke was cool. And I kinda wish kylo stayed a villain being the big bad instead of retconning Sidious in which undermines anakins sacrifice in episode 6. It just seems like the sequels had no respect for the legacy characters, hell in early drafts luke was gonna be a main character in episode 7 but they were afraid he would overshadow Rey,
@@tommyfamolare8740 the modern writers for the sequels (although not all of them) seemingly didn’t even watch 1-6. Its like they didn’t know what they were doing.. not to be an average sequels basher but the writing looks rushed its like the only reason they did 7-9 was for money (to its defense ep 7 is an actual banger) but other than that its clear why they did the sequels and the modern shows are just feminist propaganda all except filloni who is the only one actually making real lore important sht 😂 hell he should run the whole direction team
Star Wars would’ve been UNSTOPPABLE by now if Disney didn’t screw up all the time
Yeah!
It still is?
@@BlakeHardemanhell no
@@BlakeHardeman hell to the no
good ... goood let the hate flow through you
Give in to the dark side
The OT, especially a new hope, is the reason I'm a filmmaker today. I a heartbroken I can no longer witness this...franchise.
Andor made just one tie fighter look and feel dangerous
You forgot to mention that after the Last Jedi, fans showed their hate to Kennedy and her production company by boycotting Solo.
Wouldn't be shocked if Kennedy went "see! The fans don't want a male lead!" And that's when she doubled down
They should have filmed their crap with another name, but no, they wanted to insult original fans and call them racists, mysoginists, sexists etc., for not liking stories that have nothing to do with star wars and the real conception of the Force
I don’t want to watch a Star Wars that subverts expectations. I don’t want a show that favors moving away from George’s vision. His vision has lasted four decades and is the reason it lasted that long. I don’t need a tie in to the prequels. Disney has done nothing to heal their fan base, to bring them back together. Instead they’ve insulted them repeatedly for any criticism. I was like you. Kenobi was the nail and Ahsoka drove it in. Acolyte confirmed my decision. I’m out on Disney Star Wars.
U realize ahsoka very much was George’s vision since he taught Dave filoni and filoni also said he talks about his projects with George, tell me besides Sabine how Ashoka was bad, genuinely it feels like real Star Wars cause it is Dave filoni is real Star Wars cause he follows George’s vision, like the night sisters was George’s idea and Dave ran with it
@ I’ll answer because you were polite and asked an honest question. I appreciate that. I love Ahsoka and I love Rebels. The Ahsoka show was a pale comparison to Rebels or Clone Wars though. The characterization felt off from their animated counterparts, they had flat personalities and the growth from Rebels was mostly forgotten. There was no purpose for Hera, the impact of Jacen was left unexplored, Baylon and Shin were criminally underused, Thrawn was not the mastermind we all know him as, I’m going to repeat it because it needs it-Sabine was a travesty in Ahsoka and the show was kind of pointless. It just didn’t work for me even though they were some of my favorite characters. I named my dog Chopper in part from the crazy little droid. I wanted to love it but by the end it left me underwhelmed. I feel they added characters to try to get a memberberries and because they wanted to bring them into live action instead of telling a more concise story with a more limited character set. The part that really worked for me was the trauma Ahsoka experienced and how she made peace with herself and Anakin but it was only limited to one episode really when it should have been the season. I feel they tried to tell two stories. One was a continuation of Rebels and one was an Ahsoka story. It had potential but its execution left a lot to be desired. Does that make sense? I love these characters and if it worked for you then thats great. I don’t like to ruin stuff for people by trashing stuff they liked so normally say my piece and move on. You asked though and it seemed genuine so I answered.
Disney really destroyed star wars.
Lucas did.
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🙄No they didn’t. Rebels, Bad Batch, Clone Wars Season 7, Andor, Mando S1 & S2, and Rogue One. All of these projects are pretty good to great. Star Wars would have died if Disney didn’t save Lucasfilms.
@@dominator1914Rogue one is pathetically overrated. What's good about it? Characters have no soul. It has some cool looking scenes and yeah Darth Vader looks scary. That's literally it. That's why it gets praise. Give me episode 1 over that any day. Lucas is Star Wars and his characters and the politics around them.
@@AlexLightGivershut up
I have not cared to discuss Star Wars because no matter what you say, you can expect a flame war. But I will say this:
I liked episode 7 when I saw it, I didn’t care that it was very similar to episode 4. I had fun with it, I enjoyed it and I thought it was an ambitious film that had some really great setups. But episode 8 took all those setups and everything that was interesting about TFA and kind of put it on the bench, and then came 9 who is just trying to figure out how to tie everything together and end it, it doesn’t make for a film trilogy that’s fun.
That’s why I’m not a big fan of the sequel trilogy, there is no big picture unlike the prequels where we knew that Anakin Skywalker would be introduced in the first film and become Darth Vader in the last.
My favorite character in SW is Ahsoka, but only Ahsoka in the animation series...NO AHSOKA SHOW PLEASE
So I just got finiahed watching the orginal trilogy for May the 4th. And I've begun to discover why we love it so much. It's not just the lightsabers, the space battles, heck not even the effects. It's the awe and wonder. Listening to Yoda talk about the Force to Luke in Empire felt like a teacher giving a life changing lesson to his student. And the dialogue didn’t feel cheap, it felt authentic. Like this character really believed in the power of the Force and the effect it had on the Galaxy and the world. That's what Star Wars today is missing that awe that wonder. We got invested in Star Wars because it felt like we were in a whole new world. But now, it just feels like kids playing Star Wars real life. Where Lightsabers are just plastic sticks and our spaceships are just your Dad's old pickup truck with cardboard wings duct taped to it. Disney made Star Wars feel like exactly what it is. Fake, unreal and for children. There's no awe and wonder there, they try their darn hardest to remind you that you can't escape real life. Instead of trying to make a fake world feel like real life. George Lucas always had his head in the clouds, constantly thinking of new ideas for his future Star Wars movie. But Disney, their head isn't in the clouds It's in their a$$.
All I want is either a Star Wars show or a movie, “Shadows of the Empire.” Even based on the N64 game and should make Dash Rendar a cool-driven character alongside Andor. That could happen, but they didn't want that.
If not, then I would make this series instead of what Disney can do. It could be a fun and amazing fan-favorite Star Wars entertainment.
Is No Debate that Disney Buying Star Wars from Lucas was was how the Franchise was left in Darkness and because of the Sequel Trilogy the Damages are so Deeply Painful to Watch.
This tired franchise has been played out for decades.
Time to move on to something new and original.
Good things Disney did: Mando, Andor, Rebels, Rouge one, Ashoka some what because I’m a rebels fan and Finishing Clone wars.
I remember right as soon as EA Star Wars Battlefront 2 started getting really good they ended all development out of nowhere, we can’t have anything nice with this franchise
It's only dead for you if you consume Disney's products, there's a bunch of videogames, books, comics and media you can consume that are before 2014, you know?
I remember being ecstatic when Disney bought Star Wars. I thought with George Lucas being retired , So was Star War. I remember saying “any Star Wars is good Star Wars”. Now I flat refuse to watch any new Star Wars.
But it makes me thankful too.. at least we still have the old stuff..
At this point the only star wars media that excites me is lego star wars
I believe that failing to make the final trilogy as envisioned by Lucas will historically be seen as the single worst business decision ever made - followed as a close second by the choice to ditch the EU and its great stories that would have been cinematic blockbusters. No one will ever understand why Luke, Leia and Han were sidelined and never even appeared on screen together in Disney's sequel trilogy, but entire semesters will be spent teaching college kids of the future how to avoid the decisions that have destroyed SW and so many other franchises today. I do believe that stories from the EU will be made at some point, and made well, but the opportunity to close SW as Lucas envisioned with the three heros in his final trilogy is lost forever.
Omg George never considered legends canon ever he said so himself, that’s why the prequels and clone wars didn’t follow legends continuity, alot of legends doesn’t even work anymore cause it was made before the prequels and contradicts things, hell George’s episode 7 script didn’t follow legends either, legends is good but it can’t be canon cause of how much there is and the fact that a lot doesn’t work with the canon George set episode 1-6 and the clone wars
There is no way that there are still people who like the last Jedi. They def existed when it came out, but even the biggest fans of it that I know wound up coming around. It's total trash
And that’s crazy considering it’s only like half as bad as rise of skywalker
The force awakens started it all of it was just a bad version of a new hope it destroyed the main characters Hollywood can't do anything new that's entertaining its reboots redos stuff that's copy of other movies any wonder its dieing directors can't do anything they are all told what to do and are all carry down by this woke crap
I will always love Star Wars and I refuse to allow it to be ruined for me. The best Star Wars content right now is the animation. Clone Wars, Rebels, The Bad Batch, and Tales of the Jedi are great! Tales of the Empire was ok.
I disagree rebels is okay bad batch is mediocre tales of the jedi is average and tales of the empire good but disappointing
While the sequels are objectively terrible, I have to say that the show Andor is the best Star Wars product since the original trilogy, with the Knight of the Old Republic as possible exception.
11:33 bad batch is good what????
I have long maintained the theory that the reason George Lucas sold Star wars to Disney, and double downed recently by showing his support for the current administration, is that he knew they would make a pig's breakfast out of it, and everyone would get off his back about how bad the prequels were.
Andor S2 will hopefully be just as good or better that S1, so that's hopefully something to look forward to with some hope
Andor was shite. It had two good episodes.
They can't ruin what came before them, but Disney killed any new Star Wars when they didn't follow the story Lucas gave them for the sequels. Whatever that script was, it was the real story and we didn't get it.
I will say that’s the worst thing Disney did, they should of followed his script
“The power of one, the power of Two, THE POWER OF MANNNNYYY!” - the Acolyte
I don’t think any Star Wars fan considers the last Jedi to be a masterpiece 😂
I still love Star Wars but not because of Disney. But because of Dave Filoni. Many of the Star Wars projects he personally took part in never failed to make me feel like I was in a universe were George Lucas never sold to Disney.
"Half of Star Wars fans thought The Last Jedi was a masterpiece" Really? Barely half would have thought The Force Awakens was a masterpiece. Do you remember Fin placing his hand on Reys head when climbing up - like in cartoons? If he really put weight into his hand he would have seriously injured her neck...
He's right, at the time people literally fought others who said the movie was bad
I must offer up these masterpiece believers to darth nihilus as a apatisizer if he dose not get sick
TFA was a masterpiece... in what not to do when starting a sequel trilogy to a massive, well-established IP.
personally I already hate the EP7...
Star Wars was good when the person who owned it had passion and love for it. Disney bought it to make profit, not to improve it. When there is no passion, there is no originality and therefore only nostalgia
I lost hope on star wars when force awakens came out. They literally recycled a new hope and killed off one of the most beloved characters in the franchise in the most retarded way.
I loved it when it first came out, then when people pointed out it wasn't original, I started to dislike it, not only that but the rest of the trilogy brings it down too. There's a ton of people who loved TFA when it first released cause the Star Wars hype was brought back to life. I still think it's the best in the trilogy, though.
My love for Star Wars started to die with Kenobi, and now, finally, Acolyte and Rey movie. I just cant with it anymore
Finn was always insinuated to be Force sensitive since Episode 7. It's just that all the other movies after that F'd it up.
Disney fooled us into thinking Finn was going to be the lead character-s Stormtrooper who becomes a Jedi. The commercials had Finn being the first character to be revealed. And then the bait and switch. Finn becomes the Star Wars Simp for Rey.
I can't believe they fked up Boba Fett. He was the favorite Star Wars character for a lot of people
what really sucks is how disney pushed back against the dissatisfied fandom to the breaking point... the point that even the general audience is apathetic and enthusiasm is in the sub-levels of energy. now that public stock on WDC has plummeted to near-worthlessness, they NOW decide to pivot, and the change in tone feels disingenuous. great essay, btw, it pretty much sums up how i believe most of the fans feel...
I get where you're coming from but Disney stock is nowhere near worthless. It was $98.62 a share today. That's down almost 50% over the last few years sure, but not anywhere near "worthless"
Andor was absolutely terrible, I'm tired of youtubers all shilling for it, it is boring as shit full of girl bosses. Rogue One is the only good thing Disney ever produced using Star Wars.
I gave up with Disney part way through The Acolyte but in truth I gave up more with Disney itself as it slid down the woke hole.
Have to say that outside the theatrical releases I haven't caught any Disney Star Wars, largely because I'm not nine any more and have simply outgrown it. But a large part of the current problems are that it is treated as a franchise and in modern Disney terms that is to squeeze every last drop of blood from whatever they own. Disney's business model has, for a long time, been to make a movie and, if successful, a sequel, after that they keep on pumping out product with the inevitable diminishing returns.