7mm PRC | Barnes VOR-TX 160gr LRX TESTED! | Little Crow Gunworks
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- In this video we test the Barnes 160gr LRX Factory Ammunition on paper at 100yds and on steel out to 505yds. Then we examine the ammo and pull it apart to figure out why it shoots so well.
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I just want echo what Tim said there about going to the beginning of the 7mm showdown series and watching all of the videos.
I'm a 7 Rem Mag guy myself. But I have thoroughly enjoyed every one of them. Tim's common sense approach is tops, and there is a tremendous amount of usable info in them if you're a handloader.
Thank you Harry, I really appreciate the support!
Talk about excited,everytime I watch one of your videos,I end up in the loading room!!!!!!
That's fantastic. If you're inspired by watching our videos, we're doing something right.
I'm a total nerd on this stuff. Very cool!
Thanks James, I knew you fellow nerds would appreciate the deep dive.
Barnes and Federal make great ammo. Thanks for the video!
I would agree with that statement based on my experience. Thanks for watching.
Very interesting…one has to love when a factory ammo does what it says it will do!
Yeah unfortunately it's not very common.
Exactly what I was hoping to hear. Anxious to see how it does through a 22” barrel. Great channel, great info. Thanks a bunch.
Thanks for joining us! This should be over 3000fps for you if your barrel has a hundred rounds on it. Good luck with it. Thanks for watching.
This is my favorite rifle out of the series!
Thanks Jack, I really like this combination as well.
Coolest video yet! And you guys have some great videos
Thanks James!
Smoking!! I'm all but done with factory loading and always receive better results with hand loading. Absolutely awesome, and thank you for sharing all your intuitions and insights! Keep up the great work LCG!!
Thank you for the positive feedback. Our handload did shoot better overall, without seating depth work, but this stuff still shoots really well.
Excellent video!!! Keep up the outstanding work. Love my 7 PRC!!!!
Thanks! Will do!
Thanks for the vid! been wondering about Barnes new offerings. Excited to try their 280ai and 6 creed as well.
Thanks for watching!
Always excited to watch your work!!
Always look forward to your videos! 🎯🇺🇸
I appreciate that!
Another great part to the series. As a 7mm loader/shooter/hunter, I’m hoping this series will continue for a good while. I’m down to less than a jug of RL26 so I’m not load developing with that powder. Same with RL23 so I’m starting to try VV560-565. Anyways, thanks again Tim for this interesting and educational video.
Thank you John. Even when the series "ends" I will still be adding things to it as new things come out or as we have new information/test results to share. It started as a 7mm comparison but will end up being a 7mm category that we add to over time.
@@LittleCrowGunworks sounds great Tim!
Once again, good information and a good video!
Hey guy, stop watching UA-cam videos! 😂
Oh wait... ours are ok to watch.
Thanks Joe!
So took your advice with my new 7PRC. Loaded up the rest of my first box of ADG brass 27rnds with my best initial load of 68gn RL26 175 Berger Elite Hunter at .020 off the lands. Clean barrel or shot a .320. I then chronograph 3 shots 2973, 2972, 2963, SD 5.4 ES 10. I also tried .015 and .025 off the lands. It didn't like
015 but .025 shot a .530. I then went to the 1k range and had fun hunting steel at 600, 800, 900, and 1000yds. 5 shots at 1000 was like half moa or a just a tad over half. Still have another 50 round to get to first 100 rounds down the barrel.
That is fantastic! Great job. That's what we want. Throw something together, get some data, and go break it in and LEARN something at long range.
After that hundred rounds, scrub her down good. Bring 20 rounds of your 68 grains @ .020 jump and re-foul the barrel. Shoot groups of three until they stabilize and shoot consistent. Then when the barrel is stable you can ladder up and down with the powder @ .020 jump to see if you find anything better.
If you don't and your original load shoots in the .3XXX's still and maybe speeds up a little, YOU'RE DONE, go practice. Every 2 to 300 rounds fired, check seating depth up and down 15 thou in .003 increments to see if your sweet spot moved. Shoot another 2 to 300 rounds, repeat until the barrel is toast. Get a new one and repeat the entire process.
I'm happy for you man, great stuff!
Great video! I loved the nerdy stuff. I already bought two boxes of the 160 LRX bullets for handloads. I'm getting 2705 fps with Peterson brass, 64.0g H1000, in a 20" barrel. No load development yet. Just a starting charge to keep recoil down for my daughter. My daughter is hunting elk with this load. No luck on Saturday, hopefully we can test this bullet out soon!
I was very curious what the factory stuff was made of. I was afraid it was going to be RL-26.
Thanks for checking out the video Blaine. I see you're either new to the channel or haven't commented until now. I'm happy to hear that you're getting your daughter out elk hunting.
I suggest watching our 7mm Showdown series. In part 3, I discuss powder selection for different applications. I'm not sure what powders you have access to, but I can tell you that H1000 is WAY too slow for your application and its too slow for the 7 PRC in general until you have a 30" barrel with a 160gr bullet. Unfortunately when you take a magnum cartridge and put a short barrel on it, you reduce your number of viable powders to near zero.
If you want to 1. actually burn all the powder, 2. have a decent case fill and 3. get decent velocity in a 20" barrel with a 7 PRC, the ONLY viable powder choice is N555. Literally EVERYTHING else is a compromise and will not check one or more of the 3 boxes above, because you have a big case and a short barrel.
In order to get 100% burn with H1000 in a 20" barrel, you would have to run it at 79,000psi and the brass would be single use. But you're never going to get 72+ grains in that case.
With N555, you WILL get 100% burn at safe pressures, AND decent fill ratio and the safe max pressure (65,000psi) gets you around 2860fps with a 160gr bullet.
Welcome to the channel, hope to see you around.
Great video. UA-cam must think so too since they added ads every five minutes 😂
Unfortunately THEY turned the ads on.🤷♂️
That's pretty crazy how your die was set up perfectly right away!!! I'd say you were on the right track for sure 😂 pretty lame Alliant isnt gonna sell to us anymore, but at least we still have Vihtavuori
Right!?! I about fell off my stool. Apparently I'm in the right place for BOTH bullets!
Yes, it is lame, but their availability has been so piss poor since before they even created RL16, RL23 & RL26 that I started phasing them out A LONG TIME ago. VihtaVuori, Hodgdon and IMR is what I use for all my "Serious" stuff. I play with other stuff, but just for close range Prairie Dog loads and fiddling around.
Ok I'm not the only one to not be impressed with the Hornady outfitter ammo
My 7prc did NOT like it. 1.5” groups
@@woodywoodpecker3643 mine was more like 3-4" groups 😬 it shoots eldx's just under an inch at 100.
I have yet to find any rifle which likes it
Outfitter shot terrible in my 300 wsm as well. It’s a dud.
I really wanted it to shoot because we really like the 16ogr CX and it just won't shoot.
Not sure if this is helpful, but I’ll throw it out there. I’m at sea level basically, 75*, 41% humidity. LRX 160gn, 4831sc 66gn, 3.300” OAL. Shot 1.5” groups at 300 yards. Consistent groups, unlike the CX. Flew a little flatter by about .5 moa. That was .020” deeper than the setup I had for the CX bullets. I hope it’s in the ball park for other people too
I just bought a 28 Nosler and have tried Nosler, Hornady, and Barnes bullets in factory loads. The Barnes 168LRX shot a .73" three shot group at 100 yards and the others where 2" and over.
At least you found a winner!
"2 or 3 inch group at 505 yards" says a great deal, right off the start, about a projectile I've been eyeballing since I saw it on Barnes' website.
I'm tinkering on a 145gr LRX load for my 280 - after this video series, and mulling over my limited results - due to downrange velocity concerns, but when I saw that Barnes was slotting a 160 to compete with Hornady, I was wondering to try it out.
Eager to see the results here - And to hear anything back on the N160 loads you may have been working on.
Stay tuned! 😉
Thanks for letting me know about Alliant. Just made my current load development way easier! Also, screw them and the horse they road in on! I've got their stuff in Rifle, Pistol, and Shotgun loads.... Guess it's onto the back up loads.
Hey Joe, yeah it sucks for sure. I have been unhappy with their poor supply for many years and started phasing them out probably 8 or 9 years ago. It's too bad.
@@LittleCrowGunworks Yeah, pretty much any organization absorbed by Vista Outdoors or Kinetic Group or whatever they're calling themselves this week is not interested in meeting demand for anything, almost like they're intentionally trying to sink the companies or at least prevent their growth. There's no way that the contracts are that good for all of the companies they've absorbed, to shut out the consumer market.
Good content
Thanks for joining us, Lane.
I have both the new 152lrx in 280 AI and 160lrx in 7prc. Both guns love the new factory loads. One mule deer buck is now very unhappy with the 160lrx. He now resides in my freezer and wall. One shot 325yds. 😀
Do you have the OAL of that 7PRC round?
Great series you’ve put together here. I’m just getting into the reloading scene and appreciate the no BS and data driven approach you’ve shared here. I live in CO with the western game out my back door but also travel to the Michigan woods each fall for whitetail. I’m leaning towards settling on the new 160 lrx for my 7prc. Would you still use this on midwestern whitetail or develop a separate load for that different style of hunting? (Dense woods, short shots, thinner skinned)
First time watching your channel and really like your contact and had to subscribe.....I am wondering if you have tested Hammer bullets in the 7prc
@bradbennett552 thanks Brad, welcome to the channel. I have not, I prefer more mainstream, expansion/mushrooms type monolithic bullets.
I think the way Hammer bullets work, can also be effective. But I think traditional mushrooms type mono's transfer energy better, causing more internal trauma.
Tim, another impressive video. Gives me a new appreciation for Barnes. I will be shopping for a couple boxes to try. I have found similar experiences with Hornady CX factory loadings but want to find a copper load that will shoot. Perhaps I have.
I would try the Barnes. For every one good experience I hear with the Hornady Outfitter ammo, I hear 20 bad experiences. It's really too bad.
@@LittleCrowGunworks Had 2 hunts with my 6.5 PRC last month and only the 147 ELD-M shot well enough to consider for Antelope and when I later got a shot on an Axis deer; the bullet went in the shoulder and exploded the heart but no single piece was found when processing the meat. Last time for that and maybe the last time for the PRC in that rifle. Love the cartridge, just not the rifle.
I averaged 3000fps with this out of my 22” Seekins.
2780 fps with Hornady ELDX 175 out of the same rifle.
The group with my Barnes was 10x better.
Brilliant, thank you.
Thank you Mark!
Ive shot factor barnes Lrx ammo in 270 win, 7mm rem and 300 win . Always has shot sub moa. Handloaded it in the 270 and got it shooting around 1/2 moa. Got factory federal TA for those guns too. It shoots around 1 moa in the 270 and easily under 3/4 moa in the other two. If u can get it the Terminal Accent is worth trying.
Oh I don't doubt it. But Federal is perpetually underwhelming with their supply chain.
Awesome videos. I love Barnes ammo and their bullets. I want to try their 168gr LRX.
I’m running those in my 7 prc 👌👌
The 160 does have 10% higher BC and you can push it 75fps faster at the same pressure. Which isn't everything, but worth noting.
@LittleCrowGunworks thanks for that good info/insight.
@25:32 - I take offense to be called a nerd. 🙂 Very nice. Glad to see some good factory ammo coming out (cough Hornady!)
Only a nerd would pull factory ammo apart and reverse engineer what it is. Welcome to the channel.
@@LittleCrowGunworks been there, done that. Keep up the great content.
I switched from Nosler to Barnes several years ago after taking a 6x6 bull at 630 yards with my 338-378 Weatherby. Now 98% of my reloaded ammo features Barnes bullets regardless of caliber.
They make a great product.
Very impressive! Where can I get that hat?
You can't, unfortunately. The company that made them is now defunct.
This was awesome!!!
Glad you think so!
@@LittleCrowGunworks yes sir! I’ve enjoyed the 7mm series. I’ve shot a 7mag most of my life. I’m only 24 but it’s been a nice cartridge. It’s not my long range build but 100-400 yards it’s taken countless white tails.
@DirtyComos good stuff.
Absolutely excellent video. I've been looking for reviews on this bullet since a Barnes technician mentioned it dropped while calling in for another question. You tested as well as I could have hoped for. I see those kickers in my 110gr Tac tx handloads in my 308. I think it might be inconsistency with those extra long tips. I've had 4 under 0.5 in a cheap factory rifle only to have the 5th kick out to like 1.2 and other 5 shot groups with much the same, but with a different shot in the string being the asshole. The only thing extra I'd like to see is a low velocity gel test. Whether that's at distance, downloaded plus moderate distance, or run in 7mm-08 running a reduced H4895 charge. I'd like to see that bullet hit below 2300 fps to confirm its terminal performance.
It's always good to know which factory ammo performs
the best in case you have to buy some, or just prefer to.
That's right.
Holy smokes! Ill have to see if i can get my mits on barnes ammo!
It's worth a shot anyway.
I just tested norma BondStrike today with my 24” barrel 7prc. 5 different 3 shot groups averaged .62” at 100 with average velocity of 2965 per my garmin. Also want to test terminal ascent and grab a gun finally had it in stock so ordered but haven’t shot yet. BondStrike seems to hold decent weight and have decent penetration also but even more important is it shot great today.
Yesssss. I have had so much luck with the Norma bond strike in 6.5, 300 win and 300 wsm. I literally just saw these came out.
Damn fine shooting. I have Remington Sendero 7mm mag that shoots like that with Hornady ammo. My magic gun. Loll
Excellent video again! So reloaded 26 is a magic pill😂 . Reloaded 26 is great, but only have 1/2# left😢 Good results with N560
Very close to reloaded 26 velocity and ES. .560 groups
Use it up and say goodbye. N560 is great, with similar fill ratio and slightly less velocity than RL26 for the same pressure. While N565 will easily replicate RL26 velocity at the same pressure but takes up more space than RL26.
Thanks for checking in.
I’ve got sub moa groups with CX rounds at 300 yards using 66gn 4831sc at .080” jump. Getting the occasional flyer.
The LRX rounds shot better than the CX at both 65.5gn and 66gn, minimal difference between 3.320” & 3.280” OAL. All above 3000fps with 22” steel sporter barrel.
Also loaded a few CX with the new Ramshot Grand that’s supposed to be for PRC.
It shot TIGHT.
SD of 3.0 and deviation of 6.7 averaged 3018.0fps
Going to send LRX loaded with 70gn Grand at 3.300” OAL tomorrow
Not what I was expecting but very cool. I have 129gr LRX loaded up with h4350 in my 270 for mule deer this year. Popped a 5 inch plate at 640yards first try with it at the very end of all my testing. Seems to be a good bullet once you figure it out. I will not shoot it past 500 yards though with the velocity I’m getting which is plenty far anyways. Usually say if you can’t get within 300 you didn’t try hard enough anyways in most situations.
Great stuff Corey. Is that the load that you used my process for?
@@LittleCrowGunworks Yes I believe it was. I did some group testing before I got my Garmin but seating depth was off so groups sucked but it definitely favored h4350 over h4831sc.
I then got the Garmin xero and changed the seating depth to match the top relief groove like I’ve seen a few people recommend and that’s what they do in their factory loads. At this point I had seen your video and thought that’s so much better than a bunch of groups so gave it a try. Found that load after the ladder and small changes at sweet spots.
I did the same thing for the 110 Barnes ttsx I plan to use for whitetail in the 270 and got a .5-.6 moa load out of them at 3350fps. I like the method. Only way I’ve gotten a load quicker is dumb luck once haha.
Hey Tim, I just ordered 2 boxes of 170 grain federal terminal ascent off the federal website, might take a look and see if you can get lucky, ammo arrived yesterday. I’d like to see a video on your results with that bullet!
I hear ya Brandon, but it has to be available. I can't chase Federal around looking for their ammo and recommend it to my customers, knowing it's almost non-existent.
That's why I excluded Alliant powders from our 7mm Series. Because Alliant is owned by the same conglomerate and they all have piss poor supply chains.
@@LittleCrowGunworks makes total sense, I appreciate your matter of fact attitude towards what’s practical and available!!
Awesome!!
Thank ya sir!
I've tried the Hornady outfitter CX in my 7 REM mag, bergara wilderness ridge rifle. 1.5 - 2.1 inch groups. Maybe it would like the LRX as well...
Hey Jerry, that rifle doesn't have a tight enough twist to run these bullets. It looks like its a 9.5" Twist barrel. These bullets need an 8" twist at a minimum. A 1:7.5 twist would be better.
@@LittleCrowGunworks Thanks for the info! It shoots Federal premium 168 grain Berger hybrids very well... I would just like to find a copper bullet that it shoots well!
@jerrywhittaker1052 thats great to hear. The 168 Berger is the longest bullet you can stabilize. These mono's are MUCH longer than all of the Bergers except the 195gr.
160CX = 1.626"
195 Berger = 1.648"
160 LRX = 1.695"
168 Berger = 1.433"
THEY ARE LOOOOOOONG! And need WAY tighter twist than the 168 Berger.
The 145gr Barnes LRX @ 3240 is the Max performance you're going to get and fully stabilize in that rifle. H4831SC, N560 and IMR7828SSC.
@@LittleCrowGunworks Thank you! I have IMR7828SSC I will try out the LRX 145gr. Can't believe the amount of work you guys have put into the series! I love it though!
@jerrywhittaker1052 it's a labor of love. Use a chronograph, that velocity I gave you is 65,000psi. Approach with caution. Good luck, keep us posted.
When you pulled the Barnes ammo, then reloaded it, did you uniform the necks prior or just reload?
They WERE uniform because they had a bullet in them and the nickel plated stuff typically has more neck tension than a brass only case. So I did NOT re-size the neck, but I did chamfer and debur the necks, because NONE of the factory ammo manufacturers do that.
What is the OAL of that ammo? 7PRC w/ 160gn LRX bullet?
3.322" was the most common.
@@LittleCrowGunworks have you noticed better groups with more jump? I found .075” was giving me good results at 300yrds running 4831sc with the CX bullets.
@toddDHR haven't tried anything that deep yet.
when it first came out, there was a little information on it. Most everything I read was that it liked to jump. It seemed to be true for me. I’m at sea level. I’ll keep you posted if you’d like.
@@todd_0351 please do. I'm not jumping much with any rifle in the series.
I love my Sig cross sawtooth 24inch 7prc
I’m thinking about hunting with the Barnes
I would if it shoots well in your rifle.
Weatherby does a 177Hammer in 7prc
It’s 177 gr and was garbage on 2 Seekins PH2’s, Browning xbolt and one Ruger American. The Hammer HHT 170 gr is a good bullet but soon will switch over to these LRX 160 gr bullets.
I can't justify even testing Weatherby Factory ammo at what they sell it for. Not worth finding out.
Great stuff, as always
For the 2 in/1 out; was it always 1+2 together and 3 out, or 1+3 together 2 out, or random?
It's my understanding that Barnes and Alliant are owned by the same parent company. So hopefully they will always have some RL26 available.
I've shot this out of a Waypoint, and it's the most accurate round that rifle has ever seen.
H'mmm, redo the 7mm challenge with this bullet instead of the CX?
I'm going to concur with ccfdmd! I think Little Crow needs to re due the whole series with the Barnes 160 LRX
Knock it off Austin, LOL. If someone wants to volunteer to fund it, we can.
I also forgot to mention that if you listen to the backcountry hunting podcast, a few weeks ago they had a representative from Barnes on discussing this bullet. This episode has not made it to their UA-cam channel yet
He discusses the overall design of the bullet and what it was designed to do, targeted at. This was specifically made for a 7 prc. They make a 168 lrx, but this new one has a much better ballistic coefficient
@@LittleCrowGunworks I agree with Austin, my night drives are lacking in interesting new things to listen to and ReloadingWeatherby only produces 9 minute videos, typically…. 😂
How did their published bc compare to your observed drops. I know you only stretched out to 505. Just curious because their website shows a higher bc for the 160 than for the 168.
Hey John, I didn't shoot enough or far enough to assess that. I think it's close to advertised. But this ammo POI was shifting, which makes it almost impossible to reverse engineer BC. It's certainly higher than the 168 LRX.
Do you have any concerns with a 1:8” twist barrel stabilizing the new Barnes 160gr LRX? Their website states it’s 1.700” long and when plugging the data into a couple of twist rate stability calculators they both seem to show that it’s marginally stable (roughly 1.2 stability factor) and requires a 1:7” or 1:7.25” twist rate. This is using 1,000 elevation/density altitude which is usually about the lowest I hunt/shoot at.
@chrishudson7817 excellent question. While I completely agree with you, we tested at 1000ft AND used and 8 twist barrel.
If I was building a rifle for this specific bullet, I would use a 7.5 or 7 twist.
@@LittleCrowGunworks Glad to hear it worked out in real world application which is the important part 👍. Any thoughts on that being source of the random flyers in the grouping?
I’m wondering if from a stability standpoint the long plastic tip (low density/weight) in essence shortens the bullet length down to the tip of the hallow point.
Do you know the length from base to the tip of the copper hollow point opening and/or the length of the protruding polymer tip? I actually sent Barnes an email on this but haven’t heard back.
@chrishudson7817 what great questions.
I would guess the low stability is most likely to blame for the flyers. Followed closely by them running the balls off it, followed by inherent neck tension inconsistency of nickel plated brass.
The plastic tip is 100% included in the stability equation. Hollow point bullets are near weightless in the nose as well. I have actually tested this in real life.
I had some 105gr AMAX bullets that I wanted to get rid of. All I had at the time was a 9.25 twist 243 Winchester. I loaded up the Hornady manual max of RL19 at .015 jump. I loaded 5 rounds unmodified, which were "unstable". Then I loaded another 5 rounds that I cut the entire plastic tip off with a razor blade, which would make it stable by calculation.
The unmodified shot a 1.5" group at 100yds. The 5 with the tip cut off shot a half inch group. Same load, same day, same time.
@@LittleCrowGunworks Great info on the tips impact on at stability! And agreed that the running near max and neck tension are likely a factor there too. It looked like the pulled bullet you had laying next to the powder was shaved up pretty good from seating so seems like they’re running a good amount of neck tension. Either way those still shoot great for a factory load 👍.
I’m thinking about buying some of the 160LRX’s to try out in my 7 Sherman MEGA with a 23” 8 twist barrel, which runs about on par with the 7 PRC just a few grains more of case capacity in a XM action. I’ve been running the 150gr Badlands Bulldozers with great success but unfortunately can’t get those anymore and nearly out of them. A friend of mine has really liked the accuracy and consistency with hand loading the 160gr Hornady CX’s for his 7 PRC so will likely give those a try first. Going to load with RL26 but also had good success with H4831sc and VV555 with the 150gr Bulldozers so may give those a try as well.
@@chrishudson7817 I would stick with the CX for your application. I do think these are too long for an 8 twist in low altitude applications. I also think, by design, the LRX will have AT LEAST .070 longer COAL than the CX for the SAME jump.
Which may cause a length issue for you in an XM.
I thought the hunter magazine wouldn’t work with origin action? Did you have to do any machining?
@@bunyon0341 nope, works excellent with no modifications.
What is the reason for using carbon fibre barrels is it for a lighter hunting rifle,in the world of f-class and benchrest shooting no carbon fiber barrels or chassis only ss steel and laminate stocks or carbon stocks.Verry good video liked it good information 👌👌
Thank you for joining us! Yes, you are correct, it is for weight reduction. I am very familiar with competition shooting. Some guys like how the carbon fiber barrels look as well.
Will a mono bullet expand on the game at 600 yards? What is the velocity?
@cabochris100 yes. Common expansion minimums for tipped mono bullets are widely considered to be 2000fps. This factory ammo drops below 2000fps near sea level at 800yds. At 10,000ft elevation, that distance is 1200yds.
We dont encourage shooting at animals that far away, but this ammo/bullet combo is very capable.
I've always had good luck with Barnes factory ammo from both velocity and accuracy perspectives. Also, I need a box of those for my 7rm. Looks like the bullet itself is not available yet?
Edit: they are available directly from Barnes. Couldn't find them anywhere else though.
Correct, it's so new, it's not at the distributors and retailers yet.
Are these 160 lrx bullets available for us hand loaders? I was working up a load for the 168 lrx bullet now. Didn't know they offered a 160.
@@andywilson5049 Yes, but they are not out to distributors yet. You have to buy them on the Barnes website. It's a brand new bullet.
Did you buy the LRX direct from Barnes? That's the only place I found them. Oh, nevermind. I commented too soon. Weatherby loads the Hammer bullet for 7PRC I think
Look at buds guns online, they have it or did yesterday. Good price too!
For better or worse, we're not paying Weatherby prices to test their ammo.
@@LittleCrowGunworks I wouldn't either. I've never owned a Weatherby, in part, because they want half your pension to buy their ammo or even their brass for loading
2 together and 1 out has nothing to do with barrel heating up?
@cabochris100 it can. I think in this case it is because they are running it so hot.
Looks like Barnes stole your seating depth info… those bastards! 😂 Those are some tiny groups at 500 yards. I’ve been trying to find some factory 7prc ammo that works for me and the outfitter was not it. Neither was the eldx/m.
I literally paused your video and went to Barnes and tried to order the 160 lr and of course- they don’t ship to CA!!!! Can’t find any elsewhere. Yet….
I couldn't believe it. Almost fell off my stool.
Just wait a bit, it will be trickling out here soon.
Does anyone else find any validity in everyone talking about loss of accuracy shooting between monolithic and lead core projectiles without cleaning?
@WCFD5045
I have not. I shoot both on the same day all the time without cleaning. No effect on precision.
@@LittleCrowGunworks ok thank you.
Hey, if they don't sell RL26 to public, everyone should boycott everything they sell.😊
I already have, personally.
Seating depth?
It's around .050 jump.
Well shoot. Nothing like spending $500 based on your prior load dev videos stating to go test all these different powders all to find out factory ammo is best. Haha.
Nah, you can still do better if your handloading practices are sound. This ammo does have a pretty drastic point of impact shift. But I cant say if it's the ammo or the carbon fiber barrel.
Good video but if the bullet isn't made by berger I'm not shooting it facts bergers 184 or 195 7mm bullets always shoot great
I know they do. We don't like using Target bullets on Elk. That doesn't mean you can't, but we don't promote it. You can watch our 7mm Showdown Series if you care to find out why.
It does not make me happy with Alliant.
Seems like they don't want to support reloading.
Imagine if the other brands did the same thing.
What's next? No factory ammo after that.
What happens if the military decides they want it all?
Yes, I agree. I haven't been happy with Alliant's piss poor supply chain for almost a decade now. I started phasing their powders out in 2015.
I was really hoping Barnes was using a powder we can actually buy. I am so tired of everything being a shortage or a panic or inflation or politics bla bla bla. Shooting and reloading is challenging enough when components are available.
If you have a 24" or longer barrel, you can use N560 or N565, you will get similar results.
lol..aha!
Sounds to me like you’re becoming a 7prc fan.
I wouldn't say fan, but it is very easy to make it shoot well.