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Another example of how pathetic today's police service is, it's embarrassing.
Egos again
Another audit allowing the police to show us just how silly, petty and slow they are.
Alas, Richard, these cannon fodder are more than willing to oblige.
Coppers looking more like terrorists than the guy there accusing of been a terrorist,!!!!
Those depressed faces when a citizen explains the law to three police officers, his rights and also shows them that he knows their tactics to try ro cicumvent the law....PRICELESS
The should be fired imo as they are unfit for purpose. The cop that kidnapped, raped and murdered Sarah must have come out with a load of BS to controlher and here are three cops that are doing the same thing; except this man knows the law while many people don't; particularly vulnerable groups. Why should we pay for people like this?
It took over 6 minutes of footage and 3 officers to tell you that what you are doing is ‘your legal right’ the mind boggles
It really does hurts them so much that their perceived " Power " just doesn't carry any weight with a truly clued up Citizen. Nice job PoP
Bang right, Kevin. Ya can see the hurt in their eyes when they realise they ca'nt nick him for owt. It's bitter/sweet, really.
You could see PC Hairgel's ego getting hurt.
I truly believe they are just utterly clueless...
Yeah well done dildo.
well if the Police are and now is a PRIVATE COMPANY now then the road is not public property!!! ??? think about it if u all have the time id research that and find out if the Police is Private now or not ... ud be surprised i bet!! look it UP!!
Quite obvious how these goons treat anyone who doesn't know the law and their rights. Abusive. So arrogant,rude,abusive. Making up "their law".
Accusing you of being a terrorist
When the Government tells us with great pride that they have recruited 20,000 new police constables they forgot to mention how low the entry levels are. My word these three are so thick and show why the Met is in Special Measures.
That was a brilliant audit! I love that you answer their question with a question to them. Great job!
The smarmy arrogance of that cop from walking up to you saying whats your name straight off the bat and making up laws
Her smugness was borderline rude
The one trying hard to be nice is not your friend
One thing for sure, A D, they will do it for ever and a day. People with cameras in a "PUBLIC" place, whatever next ?.....They do'nt like it up'em. ( best phrase ever.)
Just say you know your name so okkkkkk
Are you talking about the coloured female officer? At what point did she ask what his name was?
@@anthonyc8951 I'm talking about the one that asked the question
Never trust someone who says they genuinely want to know something. Couldn’t be less genuine if they tried.
Genuine as a nine bob note 👍
Exactly that!
Indeed rather patronising
Nobody genuine in a organisation full of Rapists and Peodophiles. FACT. per 10,000 employees more Rapists and Peodophiles caught working for the met police than any other organisation in Europe
@@andymcnaughton7745 very.
This vid goes to show you should keep conversation with the cops to an absolute minimum. No matter how ‘polite’ they are, they are constantly fishing for ways to stitch you up. Remember, they are NOT your friends.
Keep things brief if you have to talk, for some reason. Best just to look at the buggers when they seek to engage you in conversation as eventually they see that they cannot hook you in to try and destroy you
@@dougaldouglas8842 AND DO NOT SAY U UNDERSTAND THEM AT ALL !!! EVER
@@ja-ja-eldorado ?
@@dougaldouglas8842 well in common Law witch is still the LAW OF THE LAND but thy them as the GoV! try and confuse ur or bullshit us that its legal n lawful their Admiltery's book of law witch only applies to the sea's and dead things! SO COMMON LAW IS STILL THE LAW OF THE LAND By LEGAL N LAWFULL TERM RIGHT NOW TODAY, IF U GO INTO ANY COURT ROOM TODAY THEY SHOULD PUT THERE HANDS ON THE BIBLE AND SAY THERE OATH TO THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AND IN THEM 10 THERE ARE THE BASIS FOR THE lAWS OF COMMON LAW WITCH IS THE LAW OF ALL LAND .. AND ALL SOVERING BEIGNS OR DO WHAT THEY DO IN AMERICA LIKE WAT THE INDIANS DO MAKE THERE OWN RESERVES AND THEY CAN MAKE THERE OWN LAWS THERE AND FOR ANY GOVERMENT AGENT TO WALK ON THAT LAND THEY NEED TO ASK PERSISSION FIRST! HOW GOOD WOULD THAT BE? MAKE OUR SELF SUBSTANABLE OWWN WEE VILLAGES
@@ja-ja-eldorado Common Law is not the law of the land, and certainly hope not as judges are as bent as they come, most of them.
The law that applies is divine law, the ten commandments were given by a divine hand, written by the finger of God.
The ten commandments should be the basis for all law, and not man making up what laws he feels are right.
Common Law is Judge Made Law, Case Law.
We need to get back to the ten commandments of honesty and integrity, right and wrong, morals and ethics, or we sink as a nation in the mire and filth of a judicial system that is as corrupt and a pantomime.
How very dangerous that these people are in charge of upholding the law. What chance do the public stand against such ignorance ?
They say the approach for matters of "their" safety whilst being VERY aware that they pose more risk to the public.
@@thunderfoot5167 hundred of people have died whilst in the control of the police over the years and I think that there might only be one case of a conviction for murder/manslaughter ? Strange how they are never held accountable ?
@@kennethatkins9250 All you have to do is look at their thin blue line badges, they act as a ring of protection against any form of accountability.
This guy is hides in the wardrobe with his camera while his wife entertains gentleman callers. That's what he is now an 'auditor.'
@@r.b8129 How are you? Still a piggie?
999, I’ve been mugged on Wandsworth high Street, “I’m sorry caller we don’t have any units to send you at the moment as all available officers are dealing with a man taking pictures”
999, I’m standing on Wandsworth high street and there’s a man with a camera filming stuff “stay on the line caller, we have a SWAT team en route eta 42 seconds, don’t engage with this person as he’s likely to be a photographer”
Brilliant mate 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
@@king77703 Cheers pal ✊✊
No stop messing about. That would never happen?
Why is whenever an auditor does not give the Police an answer THEY want, the auditor is difficult, awkward, argumentative. Quite funny really.
The taller one was well pissed that he couldn't do anything "lawful".
Beautifully handled. They would have stitched you up like a kipper if they could but couldn't land a glove on you.
They busy telling you to get off the road, 3 coppers there, and at 8:29 a kid goes screaming along the footpath on an electric scooter, and 3 coppers are busy dealing with a photographer.
Benny Hill said you can be a copper if you fail the intelligence test for a unigate milkmans horse, how correct he was.
great video plod!!
No cop is genuinely trying to have a conversation They are always fishing due to lack of knowledge on their part
That was highlighted when football was mentioned, that" consensual conversation" had strings attached, it had to be questions the PC' s wanted answering .
Side note, I saw the women footballers play Spain the other day, very well done, had a goal disallowed, and Spanish team throwing a hissy fit about something, you shrugged it off and you prevailed.
Excellent work ladies.🤗
Why do the police always default to bullying and intimidation when dealing with someone doing something they don't understand. The first officer was unable to answer yes to a simple question such as "is this a lawful activity". This is why the Met Police are in special measures, because they are arrogant, entitled and out of control.
It’s fascinating to see just how powerless a police officer is when questioning a citizen who has broken NO laws and simply chooses not to bow down or give up their personal information. As with 90% of police work, without someone helping them or cooperating with them in Whatever way they need, they are about as powerful as a dinner lady.
Plod you are one of the best, well informed, polite audtiors,.... i just wish you would insist on only talking to 1 constable in relation to their concern.
Aaaaand, stop calling them Sir, it diminishes us, and elevates them above us.
They should call you sir, not vice versa.
Ian, I guess that by calling them Sir he can ensure that they can't trump up some public order b/s charge. Have you ever been in a situation where rather than get in someone's face you've been polite, even over polite? It winds them up no end.
@@markc7440 Yes, you're right, I have called someone sir or madam, but in a highly mocking, sarcastic tone, like the yes sir no sir, three bags full sir context, or madam you're being rather........ Like calling someone, your ladyship, its pure taking the pi&&.
I watch American auditors saying it, and I get the response, from,Americans," well its polite," then I say, yes you're polite to them, but they don't honour you back------- it's a two street. But I rather think they're deferential because they don't want to get shot, (which is another side issue, of being scared of your employees)
British auditors are using the Sir bit, and also not getting it back........ Again its a two way street........
I saw footage on here of a auditor who was engaged by a Cop, he called the cop sir 7 times, and the cop gave him one," sir," as he spun on his heel and marched off,in an abrupt manner, when he didn't get his own way with events.
The cops shouldn't flounce up and say, "what you doing mate/ fellah? It should be hello sir, can I help you with anything"?
And then they'll get the civility back to them.
eleven38 , Yes I thank you for using their correct title CONSTABLE. this officer title is creeping in more as they think it makes them sound more important .
@@karlhrdylicka officer is job title, constable is rank. they should be ranked at all times to keep them in their place and remind them they are the lowest rank in the force
Arrogent, entitled, oozing contemp, yes typical examples of our beloved police force
Just play them at there own game I do
Far cry from real cops. Look up sheriff Grady Judd in Polk county Florida if you want to see real cops
Little wonder the met are in special measures auditors ought to mention this to them.
What, looking in the mirror again. Talking to yourself.
Wow, these two jerks just got embarrassed, they will lose sleep over this
classic butt whipping.
One of your best TPONTP. 100% interaction and you stood your ground
Brilliant textbook auditing by ToPlod. The programmed robots encountered here were like a stuck, boring record, constantly asking the same questions that they had asked minutes before. In an ideal world they would learn something about interacting with the public, but they seemed unable to progress past that stage after not getting an answer - it was as if the 'computer said no' so they were stuck in a fishing loop. I was worried they would be there forever. Fantastic work from ToPlod who makes his art look effortless.
Totally agree excellent work 👏
Copper: "help me understand"
Plod: while responding, copper constantly talks over and interrupts therefore not listening to a single word. Proving their stupidity and ignorance. Then refusing to read what they SHOULD ALREADY KNOW while claiming to know some of it??? Classic goons!
It must be SOOOOO frustrating for a bunch of officers to realise just how impotent they are when they confront a law-abiding member of the public who know their rights.
After trying every trick in the book they had the cheek to say "Are you happy to give us your details?" Priceless !!!!!
To any police who are watching this. Can you see why public trust and confidence in the police are at an all time low
Their walk of shame has a weird satisfaction for me. Love the way you hold your ground.
Ask him why is he defacing my national flag..?..I find that insulting……
Getting a bit boring now..
The public watching this auditors interactions and wondering what are we paying for. And what we get looks like a complete waste of money. And that makes the public angry. Plod on.
To be fair they where fairly reasonable however- When anyone asks “Are you refusing to give your details” you must answer “No, I AM willing to give you my details when you have explained why I legally have to
Apparently it doesn't make any difference how many memos or directives are issued about handling auditors. They just can't help themselves.
Brilliant. They tried hard to fish for information and you gave them nothing.
They walked away gutted.
I was talking to a 30 year serving officer in Bristol yesterday about the interaction in the old days when policemen patrolled the streets and conversed with the public. He said he missed that to as they used to get an awful amount of intelligence from these interaction. Beware!
Police today are “officers”
And when they feel like it act as
The sworn constable upholding the oath
In the past it was a case of constable .. now they are £ collectors for the bankers
Stop being so polite to the pigs
@@phillipwatson5515 Be quiet and think. By your reaction l wouldn’t trust you an inch.
Because back in the day we wanted to help the police (mostly) but they have turned us against them.
That first man to approach Plod, says, I’m a police officer, like it elevates him to the level of some kind of authority, all he does is remind me of the m.u.r.d.e.r.e.r Wayne Couzens, that’s how he managed to trap poor Sarah Everard into trusting him.
Nicely done by TPONTP, he remained calm and polite, challenged the 3 PCs on his lawful civil right to film in public, was assertive, didn't answer any personal questions, was as close to a perfect audit as you could get. I do honestly think however if TPONTP refused to not answer any of the constables questions, that one of these PCs would of probably abused Section 43, it was brought up right at the beginning of the video and if you hear this act being raised, then mentally prepare yourself quickly and verbally counter act their belief and/or allegation with solid facts. Under Section 43 a police constable may stop and search a person whom he reasonably suspects to be a terrorist, if you say: "Do you suspect me of being a terrorist?" and they say no or don't say anything at all, even after repeating this line several times, but then go ahead and search you under that act regardless, the search and the detainment of your person then become unlawful. This will be used in your defence and challenged by your solicitor or barrister against the CPS arguments, should in the unfortunate event you were arrested under Section 43 and the case went to court.
They never listen, they just wanna say "Thats fine" and start talking over you... And the endless road safety advice WTF, its constant!
When anyone asks “Are you refusing to give your details” you must answer “No, I AM willing to give you my details when you have explained why I legally have to”.
That nullifies the suggestion you are uncooperative and unwilling, but also switches the problem back to them. Walk away and leave you alone or abuse power. Better to make it their problem than yours.
That’s an excellent point!
I use a similar one. Officer, I am a law abiding citizen, refuse to break the law and now you are asking me to break the law by asking for my personal details, when the law says that I do not have to to so, so if giving them I would be breaking the law.
Perfect response to that question which I'll use if I'm ever stopped by any cop who asks me
"I'm willing to give my details, but I don't have to, so I won't."
This will incense them further.
Cops should be obliged to intervene when they see that one of their gang members are trying to suggest that something illegal is going on when they actually know that there is not. Of course they don't want to, they'd prefer to act in darkness without accountability, but whenever evidence emerges that they didn't intervene then it should automatically lead to some sort of punishment like one month unpaid suspension, if repeated it should at some point lead to termination. We don't want armed bullies and tyrants representing the people.
One of my favourite auditors he just shuts them down completely.
From what I have seen from other auditors videos from this police station, this stations officers are known for behaving in this manor towards auditors and I think the score is now 4-0 to the auditors as all the cops have had to do the walk of shame, so well done to you as they were certainly trying to get you locked up today.
Yes Ken, I think all Auditors have survived unscathed here lol. Unlike Charing Cross or Chadwell Heath. Now they are hotbeds of pure tyranny.
They would sell their souls for a name if they had one.
Sometimes you can actually hear the little cogs and wheels spinning round in there thick skulls when they don’t get the answers they demand ? The look of sheer dumfoundness in there eyes makes me smile !
I thought that interactions like this were a thing of the past. I thought that the police now know enough about auditors to leave you alone, or to have only the briefest of conversations with you.
But no, these gang members are so used to acting like Nazi goons that they can't help themselves, even when they know they shouldn't.
Possibly the most ridiculous thing they made up was at 10:00 when the Det Sgt when down the route of trying to say you were acting illegally when you stood closer to them when they were having a conversation on the pavement (probably about you). Which you quite rightly shut down with the no expectation of privacy in public retort.
There's a number of things that they said that were sooo predictable:
"In the current climate"
"What's with the animosity?" (bloody check. It's them that were being rude and hostile)
"I'm trying to understand why you're down here."
"Are you happy to provide your details?"
"How long are you planning on staying?"
Plod top man handled those cops superbly you must frustrate the fuck out of them haha
if only they learnt the law which should be their main concern as they're supposed to be keeping it, they wouldn't make themselves look so incompetent all the time
I thought the tall one was going to burst into tears at one point. You could also see the hatred in his face for you
To plod or not to plod,I remember when you were a little bit restrained when spoken to by the police but your experiences have toughened you up to the extent that they seem relieved when you dismiss them.
Yeah this guys super tough. Dildo.
the tall poice officer should be arrested by the fashion police because who wears brown loafers with grey jeans.
Lol that's the only crime committed here
What about the berk with a nose ring????????
And he has a really annoying face.
The privately educated.
They were just itching to arrest Plod, all three of them have issues, any one of them could be a m.u.r.d.e.r.e.r, I wouldn’t trust any of them if they stopped me, Sarah Everard and Wayne Couzens comes to mind when I was watching their interaction with Plod.
Nice audit. Well done. No surrender . The attitude from Plod was very predictable.
The simple concept that individual punters have rights, is beyond their very limited
faculties. Keep up the great work.
I liked the way the Brain Trust had to have a 3-way meeting of the minds huddle. What a shambles
The fact that they call fishing a normal conversation is actually alarming.
No such thing as a conversation with the police,all they want is intelligence gathering andyou to incriminate yourself
They love to try and treat people like they’re stupid loool. HE’S the one standing on the road but he’s trying to move you, A GROWN MAN, along for “safety” 🤣 ffs
If that's the kind of conversation they have with their families, god help them.
I love the fact that he thought the idea of calling you 'sir' was so amusing.
I love the way they want a "Conversation" after their attempts at bulling the public into obedience falls flat on it`s arse. perfect way to deal with them.
Another three bite the dust.
When will they ever learn what they're paid to know!
Thanks for your hard work and for your educational videos.
Take care,
Steve. 👍👍👊
That's the galling part about it these idiots receive a paycheck !!
They couldn't understand, they didn't want to understand, tall constable was so sad that he couldn't bully you . Not ready to be educated, showed contempt for his higher authority by not even looking at the document. Walk of shame full on. Well done😎
I cannot believe how badly police behave and how ill informed also just looking to make anything up to goad and maybe arrest this person , it just shows how bad it is , us and them they have a blue line running through the Union Jack flag and they hate the fact they cannot move this person on , not just him but many other police forces across the UK
This has to be one of the best audits I've seen in a while. Shuts them down at every turn!
Hi plod great education teaching the cops the law but also great education for the public as well. I've learnt so much watching audits and if I'm ever in a situation like you do most days I sure with what I've learned I will be able to send them packing cheers Plod Firm Stern never Turn
Mr Plod Will Help You Learn
Always ask if they got their little kick from abusing police powers?
TPONTP: "Am I being detained?"
Cop: "Not at the moment".
Any form of detention, arrest or stop/search after that point, then it would be hard for the Plod to justify their actions.
Meanwhile, no cop ever just wants to "have a chat with you" or is "genuinely interested". They are far too busy dodging work to be your best friend who has stopped to have a casual chat with you. They are ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS looking for initial evidence of an offence or for something that they can justify as initial evidence of an offence that will jam you up, allow them to detain or arrest you and then they can take their time weeding out as many offences as they can find. Besides, this cop at 5:31 is just Thin Blue Liar trash who uses the guise of 'The Casual Conversation' to always be escalating. Anyone encountering a cop wearing these gang colours should have nothing to do with them and treat them with the same contempt that they treat the public.
Absolutely superb, The Fisherman went away empty handed today 🎣 😂
Ffs 🤦🏽♀️ let’s have a civil conversation !! You have been nothing but civil 💯
Another great audit. Another example of police refusing to read memos from higher up about public filming and filming of public buildings like police stations. Police need to stop policing based on their feelings and start policing based on the law.
"I want you to be safe." While you stand on a raised concrete path and he stands in the road PMSL
Good video as always plod, their egos wouldn’t let them just go away.
An excellent video Plod, well done. The only slight criticism I would make, is that maybe you should not congratulate them for being polite when they are questioning you. It is expected behavior to be polite. Other than that, nice one Plod, and I look forward to your next presentation soon.
Yes, agreed.
Also, the police are bound to a hierarchy. Therefore, when accosted by two or more, after identification you should establish which is the most senior and then address yourself ONLY to that one (if they are of equal rank, the most senior is the one you have been employing the longest). Viz.
"Since you are the most senior, you are responsible for whatever happens here. I shall respond only to you. Your colleague(s) is/are now my witness(es) to your behaviour".
Maintain tight control by not allowing them to bounce you around one to another. Don't allow it and don't do it.
Ditto that Plod. We pay them, they work for us. No one is suggesting you are nasty toward them but their authority begins when, and ONLY, when a crime has been committed and are acting beyond their jurisdiction if they ask you for anything or to do anything when you are acting within the law.
@@shelleylyme6402 he falls for that tactic every time.
They know exactly who he is, they wind him up then saunter back in and piss themselves laughing at him.
@@derekfaeberwick If You Are Correct, Thier Short Laughing, Is Nothing In Comparison To The UA-camrs Watching The Said Videos Of Those Cops Making Complete And Utter Fools Of Themselves, IMHO That Is Some Real PMSL.
Agreed & never call these scutters sir or madam.
1.hands-pockets.
2.headgear.
3.unauthorised paraphenalia on issued uniform.
4.failure to inform timely that BWV is being used.
5.unacceptable slovenly,grubby appearance.
6.wasting police time.
Well done, that lanky woodentop was raging. all of them tried passive agressive bullying to escalate and incriminate it was a pathetic attempt.
Under the latest Highway Code rules pedestrians have priority over vehicles anyway, so they should give way to you!
Another show how to complete an audit in a calm and knowledgeable way.
Another master class in how to talk to the old bill,the tall streak of nothing was so far out of his depth it was almost embarrassing...you could see his desperately trying to get the upper hand and failing every time he opened his mouth 🤣🤣🤣
Big girls blouse comes to mind 👍
@@king77703 public school boy
The old bill..looking more like terrorists than the guy videoing!!!!
Outsmarted by a guy with a camera absolutely brilliant stuff I love this guy's way of dealing with the police makes them look like a proper set of donuts.
So well handled..well done plod...a bit of humour is always welcome too.
You are becoming the very best very quickly well done.
When they cannot bully you, they claim you are "angry". Pathetic !
Funny how they have a problem with you standing on what is basically a pavement but it’s safe for them to stand in the road. When the police van arrived with sirens blaring at 4:00 the unobservant constable was stood in the road and only stepped forward slightly when the van was already behind him. He wasn’t even wearing a magic high viz yet the vans passed without issue, but it’s not safe for you to stand on a pavement lol. Their desperation to have some sort of power over you is so transparent.
They really hate it when they don't get it there way,
Top audit, your videos are top class keep it up, SIR
13.37...cop says "what's with the animosity?" after he failed to get a bite 🐟. Nearly all of them come out with this, or something similar when their target is just clued up on these situations.knowing that you're doing a lawful activity and just being assertive based on your level of confidence pisses them right off(the tall cop couldn't hide it) and their ego's get in the way. Nice job plod. Keep up the good work and take care pal.
Its always, always, about gaining dominance. You did a fine job of not allowing that to happen.
The taller copper was frantically searching the internet trying to find out the law, or looking for any excuse to arrest you. They are so poorly trained and basically know nothing.
Minding your own business is exactly what you’re doing and that’s exactly what they should try doing 🤷♂️
They just can't seem to help themselves
Your quickly becoming my Fav Auditor ! Unlike other 'Auditors' who turn up shouting and screaming at the Get Go, You stay very calm ..its only when the Officers make the first move, you put them down, and tie them up in Knots !!! Keep up the GREAT Work !
These days, bar a few, do the shout sausage malarkey. Most are now conversed in what is the right way to do it. Knowing what is lawful. That is key. Unfortunately, the police cannot help themselves, but us viewers are more than happy, to watch them.
i'm intrigued. which ones turn up shouting and screaming lol ?
Funny how if you ask them their opinion on certain matters they understand they have a right to not answer your question, but if the boots on the other foot they can't accept OUR rights to not answer.
The only way a camera can hurt you is if it catches you doing something you shouldn't
I think that from now on, when they ask "what are you hoping to achieve?" The answer should always be "whether you are about to infringe on my rights". That way they know, if they then choose to infringe on those rights, it makes litigation a lot easier.
Fishing
Right over his shoulder is a camera on the road islands..look it’s in his ear now…..
They just cannot accept that they have no power to order you about
You can call me sir ! I'm still chuckling. The worst/best thing about these coppers is they're very open to show their ignorance. It seems the police force appeals to a certain type of individual.
These fools are out of control!
We’re all so happy that you are there to educate the tyrants and uphold our freedoms and rights.
Good one TPONTP ............ I would love to see an audit done by you with a secret camera........ with one on show plod tend to be on their guard!
That last interaction from the male Asian cop was a clear attempt to badger at u and wind u up till u started getting angry
Then they would do the whole "why u getting angry" to try and wind u up more
Then once u start raising Ur voice and making a scene etc they nab u for section 5 public order
U see cops in America do it with auditors.
Thats why they hate it if u remain calm, keep Ur tone consistent and calm, refuse the fishing questions
Makes them unable to escalate
He doesn't lisen and is stupid.
That tall one keeps going to his phone, to get a reason, fails, and listens again, and then tries again to get a reason to get you!! Keep up the brilliant work x
The absolute cockwombleness of the fuzz and this country now literally brings me to tears. I remember when the Police were a deterant but also KNEW every single person on their patch, they were helpful and they were fabulous.
My God how long is it going to take before these ignorant cops stop trying to think they have powers that they don't. Its sickening that after all the Audits they have learnt NOTHING!!!!
And they wonder why the public hate the Police.
These police are an embarrassment….. get back to work
When are these thick coppers going to realise that auditors are not there to film the building or the gates or the brickwork,? You're there to test their reaction to a camera and they always react badly, they're as dim as a 10 watt bulb.