Thanks for the vid. For the Folks who had issues to "unload" the bulb, there is a simple trick to discharge without any seal-damaging: Just let the trigger pulled after the last shot, than press the hammer on the firing pin with the thumb of your other hand. The rest of the gas will came out of the barrel. best and savest way to discharge the bulb.
Great video. Thanks. I have both guns on my desk as I watch this and I agree and disagree with you on several points.First, both slides are cast, I believe. Perhaps there is less or more machining in one than the other. Second, I have found no issues regarding ammo. While the barrel may be rifled, it is not made for a real bullet. It was made for BBs and it/they work well with whatever you feed in. Third, these are crude, but simple. Or simple, but crude. Good luck getting the mag out the first 100 times. I have spent, literally, hours removing and replacing the mag(s). I have also spent time removing and replacing the slide(s). Nothing approaches "smooth" yet, but they're usable. This is probably due to the fact that firing live ammo would work the mechanism more intensly than CO2 BBs. Fourth, be VERY, VERY careful discharging that last bit of gas. Keep firing way beyond the point when you think it's empty. I froze 3 seals no matter how carefully I turned the bulb release screw. And parts, as you said, are RARE. I managed to pick up spare mags for both the gen4 and gen5. And I have several complete seal kits. As for preference, bottom line, to each their own, I think the Gen 4 Nickel is the better gun, but then again I've shot it more. Yet, the Gen 5 trigger guard is a bit more refined and is more comfortable. But I also find the Gen 5 more accurate. Oh! One cool thing you failed to mention is that these are built with parts with matching serial numbers: Frame, slide, and mag. How cool is that? Last thing, I believe that is not wax paper, but chemically treated paper that inhibts corrosion.
+joe z Thanks for the information. And the very same thing happen to me regarding the seal. I thought my bulb was empty, and when removing, it dislodged the seal from the clip. I managed to get it back in without incident. But it was a lesson learned. So you have no issues with jam ups with the lead? Interesting. Maybe I'm using the wrong brand. And I should have mentioned that these guns aren't going to win any awards for accuracy to be sure. That isn't the reason one would purchase this. I just love them all. As of now, I own 3 Generation 5's and 1 Generation 4. Hopefully, I'll come across some of the older Generations in the future. But good luck with that , right? :)
I live in Europe, and it's possible to buy spares and mods on ebay direct from Baikal. The improved discharge valve, and BB cantering valve block are worthwhile investments. They make these guns shoot way better. I think these guns were just originally made for Makarov enthusiasts rather than actual shooters, so they could own a gun as near as possible to the original without falling foul of licencing laws.
And did you see the new generation? They now have a Makarov blowback version. But thanks to the new customs laws Trump enacted about 3 years ago I'll never be able to get in the U.S.
@@mrtrek64 I've seen the gen 6, but it's not a blowback. I have a nickel gen 4 (strangely a 2018, but I guess it's because it's nickel that it's gen 4 not gen 5). I've seen blowback Maks, but not by Baikal, and certainly not using such quality materials. Don't think things will improve under Biden for you either sorry, I get the feeling he'd outlaw catapults given chance!
@@LeonJakub Actually the new version of the Gen6 is a blowback. They were just released and be found at Rusmilitary.com. They redesigned the inside of the gun a bit but most parts are still original Makarov and made from steel. It's model MP-658K. www.rusmilitary.com/html/airgun_mp658K.htm
I'm no expert, but I'm thinking it has to do with the fact that the Gen 5 are made from recycled pistols which have been converted to air pistols. These recycled pistols could 5-8 years old before they find their way to the factory for conversion. Alot of the Gen 5's do show wear, especially on the Bakelite grips
thanks for the reply, I'd like to source a gen 5 in UK. I have 2 pistols stamped t15 and t16 but would appear they are gen 4, I'm happy with them but would like to try the gen 5 also
In the UK you should have no issue at all find one. Especially on the 2 hand market where I found mine. Let me look for a link I have somewhere which you might be interested in.
many thanks a link would be good, the new versions are quite easy to find but prices vary massively in uk, 2nd hand is plentiful but again demand high prices, a bit annoying when the latest version can be bought locallly for £117 and people on selling pages are asking £200
Ive been using the Gamo lead in my Makarov for years without a problem. I suggest its about the poor cp0nsistancy in Russian manufacturing. Photographers on Russoan cameras say their great "if ypu get a good one"...I had a Lomo which literaly fell to pieces in my pocket. I love the Baikal pistol, ,ine looks like the black one but with grips like the chrome one.
Someone made a pretty clever suggestion which worked out well for me. The reason for the jam-ups was simple. The lead bb's lose their shape under their own weight and compression when they are loaded into the magazine. It was suggested that I load a steel bb between every 3rd lead one. This formed a barrier that stopped the lead bb's from becoming oblong. It worked out good. But at this point, it really doesn't matter all that much because I've shot my Mak's enough to be happy with them and they now sit proudly in their original boxes as part of my collection. I now purchase and collect PCP's. I just bought an FX Dreamline which now dominates my shooting time :). But I now have 7 Maks in my collection 3- Gen 5's 2- Gen 4's 2-Gen 1's I know I went a bit overboard..but hey..they're Makarov's !! LOL :)
Hi im from indonesia too I get gen 4 T16 Can we put grease in inner body to maintenance for prevent the corrosion? Bisakah saya kasih grease oil di bagian dalam utk cegah korosi?
На сколько я знаю, чем старше пистолет, тем больше деталей боевого пистолета Макарова. Привет из города Екатеринбург. As far as I know, the older the pistol, the more details of the Makarov combat pistol. Greetings from the city of Yekaterinburg.
How much power those guns have? The most CO2 weapons with 3,0 to 7,5 joule are very boring. I expect more of a russian made pistol, espacially german Co2 are very weak when it comes to firepower, because in germany only 7,5 joule airguns are allowed and most of them are much weaker.
It doesn't matter where the gun is made or whether or not it's a replica. If it's CO2-powered then it's a short-range backyard plinker, nothing more. I would say the Maks shoot about 350FPS out of the box. If you upgrade with a different valve and other items you might get about 400 fps out of it depending on temperature. When you purchase a Makarov, you're not buying it for its power and accuracy. It's a bb gun that is made like no other and is purchased for its unsurpassed craftsmanship as compared to other CO2 guns, not its power. If you want power and accuracy you have to start looking into rifles. Start with a springer and if you like it move up to a PCP. There is NOTHING like shooting a good PCP air rifle.
@@mrtrek64 Yes I agree with you nothing goes over a good PCP :). But if a another question about the replica. If any of the gun parts are made from the original Makarov manufacturer, is it possible to modifie the gun into a sharp version of the makarov with parts of the original 9mm Makarov made in russia, if you have a permission for firearms? That would be interesting :)
@@Afterthefallout55660 I'm sure if you have the machining skills to do it can be done. But at a significant effort and cost. It's not as easy as we would believe. So to answer your question...difficult..but not impossible. :)
@@mrtrek64 Thank you for your opinion about this delicate topic. I also think that this is possible,- For my understanding you have to change the barrel, the hammer, because they carved some parts of it out and you have to fix the missing blow back system as well as the magazin and if its necessary the grip of the pistol. I think the missing blow back is the hardest part of the whole upgrade. The question is which Generation of the Baikal Co2 Makarov is the best one for this projekt? I'm not sure but I think the older Generations from the early 2000s are better for this as the newer ones after 2010. But I'm honest I don't have a clue which Generation of the Baikal Makarov is the most authenic one of all pistols they made.
At the time I purchased them they were like 200 each if I remember correctly. Now???? Because of all the new customs laws placed into effect by the Trump administration, they are now impossible to even sneak into the U.S.. Any package entering the U.S. must now have a label on the box that reveals the items inside the box. If the robot finds a sensitive item it gets pulled by customs and 99 percent of the time it will not be returned. So now customs don't even need a warrant or reason to open a box. The sticker on the box tells them exactly what's in the box. If the seller gets caught lying, it's like a 10,000 fine or something. But to answer your question, here in the U.S. where we can no longer import these bb guns the prices have skyrocketed as they have become very sought after collectibles. But in Europe, you can buy one for like 150.00 dollars. I own 2 Generation 1's in new condition which would most likely grab at least 800 each. 2 Generation 4's, 3 Generation 5's.
One was a private sale and the other from Europe. But forget ever importing these to the U.S. ever again. Last year a new customs law was passed that requires all overseas items to be listed and barcoded.
@@mjeverette3858 I'm not certain. But if I were to guess I would say the same policies would be in effect for any imports regardless of country of orgine. It's a good question though which I'll look into.
Not easy any longer in the states. Lots of places won't ship overseas any longer because of customs seizures thanks to the Trump administration. If you do find a place willing to ship it there is a risk it won't make it through.
Thank you :)... You are aware that Baikal is the name of the company which makes these firearms, right? I have nothing to do with it's name or translation. It's just what the company name is.
That generation 5 is absolutely beautiful
Should be picking one of these up next week can't wait definitely a bucket list item for me
Thanks for the vid. For the Folks who had issues to "unload" the bulb, there is a simple trick to discharge without any seal-damaging: Just let the trigger pulled after the last shot, than press the hammer on the firing pin with the thumb of your other hand. The rest of the gas will came out of the barrel. best and savest way to discharge the bulb.
Thank you. I will try this method. 🙏👍
@@thegreatcahyo u are welcome mate
the grip on gen 5 looks beautiful. I never seen it before. Most of I seen is without thumb rest.
Excellent review...very helpful.
From Canada thanks
Same as you do with all the other versions. The only thing I didn't get was the spare gasket.
Hi!! 1000 thanks for this video!! Not watching cheap Chinese replica, is already a very good start!! And this video is very instructive.
The slide is real and so is the spring!
And I don't believe the grips on the right are real Bakelite grips (they do look pretty though)
Isn't the black Mak the Generation 4? The SN has T13 and the Nickle version says T15. Makes perfect sense to me. I have The T14 nickel version.
gen 5 is acually old series(in russia it's 32series), now you can't find it in russian gunshops / nickel one is 28 series, meets in gun shops today
Great video. Thanks. I have both guns on my desk as I watch this and I agree and disagree with you on several points.First, both slides are cast, I believe. Perhaps there is less or more machining in one than the other. Second, I have found no issues regarding ammo. While the barrel may be rifled, it is not made for a real bullet. It was made for BBs and it/they work well with whatever you feed in. Third, these are crude, but simple. Or simple, but crude. Good luck getting the mag out the first 100 times. I have spent, literally, hours removing and replacing the mag(s). I have also spent time removing and replacing the slide(s). Nothing approaches "smooth" yet, but they're usable. This is probably due to the fact that firing live ammo would work the mechanism more intensly than CO2 BBs. Fourth, be VERY, VERY careful discharging that last bit of gas. Keep firing way beyond the point when you think it's empty. I froze 3 seals no matter how carefully I turned the bulb release screw. And parts, as you said, are RARE. I managed to pick up spare mags for both the gen4 and gen5. And I have several complete seal kits. As for preference, bottom line, to each their own, I think the Gen 4 Nickel is the better gun, but then again I've shot it more. Yet, the Gen 5 trigger guard is a bit more refined and is more comfortable. But I also find the Gen 5 more accurate. Oh! One cool thing you failed to mention is that these are built with parts with matching serial numbers: Frame, slide, and mag. How cool is that? Last thing, I believe that is not wax paper, but chemically treated paper that inhibts corrosion.
+joe z Thanks for the information. And the very same thing happen to me regarding the seal. I thought my bulb was empty, and when removing, it dislodged the seal from the clip. I managed to get it back in without incident. But it was a lesson learned. So you have no issues with jam ups with the lead? Interesting. Maybe I'm using the wrong brand. And I should have mentioned that these guns aren't going to win any awards for accuracy to be sure. That isn't the reason one would purchase this. I just love them all. As of now, I own 3 Generation 5's and 1 Generation 4. Hopefully, I'll come across some of the older Generations in the future. But good luck with that , right? :)
+mrtrek64 If you can give me a lead to a Bakelite grip for the M5, I can part with some seal kits.
Joe...I heard from the person regarding the grips and have some information for you. But I'd rather correspond in private.
jzami@hotmail.com
@@mrtrek64 hi, can you tell me where I can buy that beautiful grip online? My email is magiccahyo@gmail.com thank you so much
Hello, please tell me what kind of documents you get with your Silver Makarov? Thank you
I live in Europe, and it's possible to buy spares and mods on ebay direct from Baikal. The improved discharge valve, and BB cantering valve block are worthwhile investments. They make these guns shoot way better. I think these guns were just originally made for Makarov enthusiasts rather than actual shooters, so they could own a gun as near as possible to the original without falling foul of licencing laws.
And did you see the new generation? They now have a Makarov blowback version. But thanks to the new customs laws Trump enacted about 3 years ago I'll never be able to get in the U.S.
@@mrtrek64 I've seen the gen 6, but it's not a blowback. I have a nickel gen 4 (strangely a 2018, but I guess it's because it's nickel that it's gen 4 not gen 5). I've seen blowback Maks, but not by Baikal, and certainly not using such quality materials. Don't think things will improve under Biden for you either sorry, I get the feeling he'd outlaw catapults given chance!
@@LeonJakub Actually the new version of the Gen6 is a blowback. They were just released and be found at Rusmilitary.com. They redesigned the inside of the gun a bit but most parts are still original Makarov and made from steel. It's model MP-658K. www.rusmilitary.com/html/airgun_mp658K.htm
My Baikal Makarov had a serial number start with T11. Is it consider as a generation 4?
Dust devil BB's work great greater velocity too .
btw, you get them in bulks on ebay. i buy them mustly 5000 at a time.
how can the nickel be gen 4 and the blue be gen 5 ? the nickel has a newer production number ? many thanks
I'm no expert, but I'm thinking it has to do with the fact that the Gen 5 are made from recycled pistols which have been converted to air pistols. These recycled pistols could 5-8 years old before they find their way to the factory for conversion. Alot of the Gen 5's do show wear, especially on the Bakelite grips
thanks for the reply, I'd like to source a gen 5 in UK.
I have 2 pistols stamped t15 and t16 but would appear they are gen 4, I'm happy with them but would like to try the gen 5 also
In the UK you should have no issue at all find one. Especially on the 2 hand market where I found mine. Let me look for a link I have somewhere which you might be interested in.
many thanks a link would be good, the new versions are quite easy to find but prices vary massively in uk, 2nd hand is plentiful but again demand high prices, a bit annoying when the latest version can be bought locallly for £117 and people on selling pages are asking £200
Here is a place I've had bookmarked for quite some time. Hope it's of help. :)
www.gunstar.co.uk/Baikal/I/Air-Guns-for-sale
Can I buy your generation5?
4th gen, 5th... What are you talking about? There are 2 series of 654: 20(28)th and 32nd. And there are no any generations.
Umm.... I think you're smoking too much of that shit troop.
@Vinoven mate put that crack pipe down now
same thing happen to me with gammo lead. it s too many jammed.
Ive been using the Gamo lead in my Makarov for years without a problem. I suggest its about the poor cp0nsistancy in Russian manufacturing. Photographers on Russoan cameras say their great "if ypu get a good one"...I had a Lomo which literaly fell to pieces in my pocket. I love the Baikal pistol, ,ine looks like the black one but with grips like the chrome one.
Someone made a pretty clever suggestion which worked out well for me. The reason for the jam-ups was simple. The lead bb's lose their shape under their own weight and compression when they are loaded into the magazine. It was suggested that I load a steel bb between every 3rd lead one.
This formed a barrier that stopped the lead bb's from becoming oblong. It worked out good. But at this point, it really doesn't matter all that much because I've shot my Mak's enough to be happy with them and they now sit proudly in their original boxes as part of my collection. I now purchase and collect PCP's. I just bought an FX Dreamline which now dominates my shooting time
:).
But I now have 7 Maks in my collection
3- Gen 5's
2- Gen 4's
2-Gen 1's
I know I went a bit overboard..but hey..they're Makarov's !! LOL :)
Im from indonesian,and i have the gen 5 😅 many people said that gen 5 made from the original Makarov PM??is that true?
kiky zulkifly yeah it’s true they are the Same frames and slides and springs and internals except the inner barrels
Theo Chambers so the gen 5 actualy real fire arms but deactivated?
Hi im from indonesia too I get gen 4 T16
Can we put grease in inner body to maintenance for prevent the corrosion?
Bisakah saya kasih grease oil di bagian dalam utk cegah korosi?
На сколько я знаю, чем старше пистолет, тем больше деталей боевого пистолета Макарова. Привет из города Екатеринбург.
As far as I know, the older the pistol, the more details of the Makarov combat pistol. Greetings from the city of Yekaterinburg.
Harga ...?
Hi, where did u buy yours from?
The Gen 4 is from Rusmilitary.com and the Gen 5 was a private sale.
@@mrtrek64 l just bought the gen 4 nickel from rusmilitary. Great review, can't wait for mine to arrive...😀👍.
How much power those guns have? The most CO2 weapons with 3,0 to 7,5 joule are very boring. I expect more of a russian made pistol, espacially german Co2 are very weak when it comes to firepower, because in germany only 7,5 joule airguns are allowed and most of them are much weaker.
It doesn't matter where the gun is made or whether or not it's a replica. If it's CO2-powered then it's a short-range backyard plinker, nothing more. I would say the Maks shoot about 350FPS out of the box. If you upgrade with a different valve and other items you might get about 400 fps out of it depending on temperature.
When you purchase a Makarov, you're not buying it for its power and accuracy. It's a bb gun that is made like no other and is purchased for its unsurpassed craftsmanship as compared to other CO2 guns, not its power.
If you want power and accuracy you have to start looking into rifles. Start with a springer and if you like it move up to a PCP. There is NOTHING like shooting a good PCP air rifle.
@@mrtrek64 Yes I agree with you nothing goes over a good PCP :). But if a another question about the replica. If any of the gun parts are made from the original Makarov manufacturer, is it possible to modifie the gun into a sharp version of the makarov with parts of the original 9mm Makarov made in russia, if you have a permission for firearms? That would be interesting :)
@@Afterthefallout55660 I'm sure if you have the machining skills to do it can be done. But at a significant effort and cost. It's not as easy as we would believe. So to answer your question...difficult..but not impossible. :)
@@mrtrek64 Thank you for your opinion about this delicate topic. I also think that this is possible,- For my understanding you have to change the barrel, the hammer, because they carved some parts of it out and you have to fix the missing blow back system as well as the magazin and if its necessary the grip of the pistol.
I think the missing blow back is the hardest part of the whole upgrade.
The question is which Generation of the Baikal Co2 Makarov is the best one for this projekt? I'm not sure but I think the older Generations from the early 2000s are better for this as the newer ones after 2010.
But I'm honest I don't have a clue which Generation of the Baikal Makarov is the most authenic one of all pistols they made.
Hi Sir how much price is pistol pistol
At the time I purchased them they were like 200 each if I remember correctly. Now???? Because of all the new customs laws placed into effect by the Trump administration, they are now impossible to even sneak into the U.S..
Any package entering the U.S. must now have a label on the box that reveals the items inside the box. If the robot finds a sensitive item it gets pulled by customs and 99 percent of the time it will not be returned.
So now customs don't even need a warrant or reason to open a box. The sticker on the box tells them exactly what's in the box. If the seller gets caught lying, it's like a 10,000 fine or something.
But to answer your question, here in the U.S. where we can no longer import these bb guns the prices have skyrocketed as they have become very sought after collectibles. But in Europe, you can buy one for like 150.00 dollars.
I own 2 Generation 1's in new condition which would most likely grab at least 800 each. 2 Generation 4's, 3 Generation 5's.
Where did you buy it
One was a private sale and the other from Europe. But forget ever importing these to the U.S. ever again. Last year a new customs law was passed that requires all overseas items to be listed and barcoded.
mrtrek64 what about Canada
@@mjeverette3858 I'm not certain. But if I were to guess I would say the same policies would be in effect for any imports regardless of country of orgine. It's a good question though which I'll look into.
how to buy this ???
Not easy any longer in the states. Lots of places won't ship overseas any longer because of customs seizures thanks to the Trump administration. If you do find a place willing to ship it there is a risk it won't make it through.
those GAmo 4,5mm lead BBs suck. i use 4,45mm cc lead BBs
1:06 Neither Germans care. Have you seen their Luger P08? The same scratch )
are you are 1920's italian gangster?
No, he is an american gangster. Italian gangsters are nothing compared to american ones. The school comes from there.
Gamo has a the worst quality of BB and pellets if you want good pellets or bb take only JSB or H&N
Baikal BBs are copper
Baikal is pronounced BUY-CAL. NOT Bacall like the actress.
Tony?
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Joe..shoot me an email. Stevencal64@aol.com
lol Baikal stands for river in Ukraine or russia not for the gun
OK...???? And when exactly in my video did I state that Baikal stood for "gun?"
mrtrek64 name of the video
mrtrek64 whatever still it's a good video
Thank you :)... You are aware that Baikal is the name of the company which makes these firearms, right? I have nothing to do with it's name or translation. It's just what the company name is.
KillingXP It's actually a lake :p