I'm a track guy. So I like light cars and cornering. But I truly do respect Dodge as a brand. They really are keeping the good 'ol Murican heritage in their line. And I really love how they're helping to keep the desire for high horsepower, internal combustion engines in the market today, when everyone else is moving to lifeless, boring electric cars. God bless Chrysler brother!
@@islami658 SRT as a brand was distributed throughout Stellantis (Dodge's new parent company). However, they did not say that they were going to stop making SRT vehicles, the badge and trim level itself is still going to be around, and the engineers are still working on varying products; however, there just isn't a concentrated team on it (like Ford with SVT).
@@zommergames3972 they were not “distributed”. The srt division was already divided. If the engineer worked on jeeps they simply went to those offices. It is so they are in the division that they were already assigned to. They were not just spread across the earth.
@@Sak-zo1ui I think you took my wording a bit too literally there. What I meant was the concentrated SRT engineers were no longer just that (yes, they had their own offices, etc.) the were distributed to the respective brands in Stellantis for a more 'efficient' system (like SVT with Ford as I said before). I think you and I are on the same page, but my wording may have thrown you off.
@@bobjohnson3244 step away at around 22-25 whenever your young man tax disappears lmao. Or whenever the premium for your first ticket levels out 😎 also hellcat owners low key cringe
@@fastgrandm1236 Not everyone likes them. And they’re intended to come off. But some do like the look and leave them on. Which is also okay. Not that big a deal.
Just a tip, I own a 2020 Hellcat with summer performance tires on it and have 0 problems driving in the rain. You just can't floor it, drive it like a normal mom suv and you're completely safe and wont even notice any traction issues.
With Bridgestone Blizzak tires I used to drive my 300 SRT (500HP) all through the Canadian winter. Tires make the difference. If you can afford the FatCat you can afford the tires I'm sure.
*The fact that the Hellcat makes 700+ HP yet gets 20+ mpg highway (without any hybrid assistance) is a massive technological achievement. Other cars that make similar figures barely get over 20.*
At the end of my 750+ mile trip from Vegas to El Paso I showed 25.8 mpg doing between 65mph to 70mph using cruise as much as I could in eco mode. This was in my 21 Charger Hellcat widebody.
@@tupapi121322 traction all matters on the tire. I run MT 315/35/20’s and I almost get no spin whatsoever. And yes I agree on the sound. Quiet when needed but it’ll roar when you want it to
These are things scat pack owners say when they don't have a hellcat 😂 Trust me I know. I had a scat and told myself the same thing, then I traded mine in for a hellcat. You would be surprised how often you can actually use this cars FULL power. And it feels GOOD...!!!
@@tr3ynag4ta picked up a low mile scat with a sc, has more hp than a stock hellcat, just have good insurance, crunched the front end on a large pile of road debris, front bump and fender etc. About 12k to fix. Insurance is a lifesaver.
I been wantin a SRT8 since 2010. When Dodge put out the Hellcat, i was obsessed. Now it’s my dream car legit, and I kno everyone else is like “Oh yea it’s overrated” and I say “yea kuz they see them in rap videos and other media, I always wanted a SRT for the longest” I don’t want a Redeye either kuz Idc bout racing, I jus want my baby 💯😢 maybe a Demon doe lol, but after that, just a regular model and no widebody. Good vid y’all always puttin out the best vids, and rims 🔥
If you got one of those, would it be your first 400+ horsepower car? Would it be a daily driver? If so, I'd suggest avoiding a Demon (at least for now). That's a lot of power, but with a higher price, lower gas mileage, and (probably) higher maintenance costs. Personally, I get the feeling that an SRT8 would cover what you're looking for in a car. You could always put some of the money saved towards modifications AND -- if applicable -- pay off the loan a lot sooner (more money in your pocket rather than the lender's).
@@eaglebaize yea when i get my money up, demon gon be fo the drag strip 😩 also, wouldn’t be a daily driver, more like a “once in a while” car fo me, like a weekend toy. Makes a lot of since if you want to keep it for long my guy 🏁
@@FitmentIndustries I took it out to Red Rock Canyon where I hit 156mph before I had to brake to avoid killing myself on a curve lol. But even driving it around regular streets was an absolute blast! ua-cam.com/users/shortsGZTKlAm6Xak?feature=share
I work at a dodge dealership body shop . They always need quarter panels due to driver error so you might want to check the quarter trough for the factory resistance welds . They are also super easy to break into with a flat head screwdriver (chargers too)so heads up.
Just gotta say as a Euro owner who's a technician that driven a hell cat, I will 100% agree best bang for you buck since you literally can pin the throttle and see nothing but everyone else around you getting gappatized and looking at you with their jaw on the floor mat. Just buy one or drive one and then come @ me.
“Take off the splitter gaurds” so many Chargers and Challengers don't have this removed! BUT.... having said that.... the yellow stripe along the bottom looks really cool! Someone should just make a proper version of this thing that works with the splitter, probably a good market for them. :D
Man I am so torn on getting a hellcat or a 6th gen camaro. I know how to keep up the chevy like the back of my hand but Chrysler/dodge has not been kind to me in the past.
It all depends on what you want. The Hellcat is more spacious, nicer and comfier on the inside, and easier to see out of. It's also bigger and doesn't give a damn about corners. The Camaro on the other hand is a purpose built sports car. It takes corners better than most other cars on the road and feels better to drive aggressively with better steering, brakes, chassis balance, etc.
I normally only drive little 4 banger Hondas or Toyotas. Then I drove one of these bad boys and it scared the shit out of me. These things GO. That's all they do. GO, AND GO FASTER.
Fun fact. The Splitter Guards on the Dodge Challengers DON’T damage anything by not being removed. The splitter isn’t carbon, or painted, or any finished surface. It’s a plastic splitter that is easily scrapeable so the guards actually DO help on a challenger. Hate to break it to y’all 😂.
I understand they have 2 keys for the hellcat but I don’t wanna pay $60k and up it’s to much hp for what I want it for they needa make something with a lil less I think around 550whp is good the scats are nice but they need a lil more
Hey I want to buy a brand new challenger,. I dont know anything about cars, but the challenger looks awezoomeeee !!!. Any recomendation of what to buy or what is the diferences between a GT, SRT and all the other classes the challenger has, or just buy another car. I have been moving around in taxis and buses. TY
Couldn't afford insurance on a $70K+ hellcat. Hell, full coverage insurance on my 2019 scatpack charger is $285 a MONTH, with $250 deductible, for a car worth $45K new when I bought her in April 2019.
So you want to submit your car to the gallery. I was in the process of submitting my car to the gallery when I was reading the terms and services. So if I submit an image of my car "You now own that picture"? If you own that picture I couldn't sell 8x10 prints of it or any other type of merch from that specific photo?
The “your young and ego” part really should be known I have a friend who bought a hellcat charger and crashed it then he bought another redeye challenger a week later 🤣
The only flak hellcats get is for their owners. Call me crazy but I have way more respect for the guy who built and tuned his JDM shit box to 700hp than the guy who walked into a dealership, signed some papers and drives around looking like a tool with the yellow tips still on.
My plan is to maybe start with a regular challenger, and if I like it and can afford it, sell that and get the hellcat. Would need a second car though for the winter though. Would have to get that first. All goes wrong I get a Porsche from early 2000 and get a Honda crv. Or end up coming out of the car in a body bag… 😶
I know practically nothing about cars but I do know that I want a challenger hellcat it just looks nice compared to most cars and the engine is similar in power to my moms car that I drive around sometimes
1:01 Dude, the Dodge Challenger is sick and all, but when that beat drops after Alex says the name of the show... I'm really here for that beat and intro too! 😂👌🔥🔥🔥
I had a 71 and a 73 Dodge Challenger with a 340 and 318 respectively. There were absolutely my favorite cars. That being said I don't like the new ones. Not a great body style and they handle like crap. If I were to go new "muscle car" I'd probably go with the Camaro for all around performance.
Would YOU buy a Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat? Comment below!
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Yes
*Y E S .* no doubt
any one got a a hellcat cause i like watching them getting smoke by a cadillac cts v 2017
more like so want a boat you can sail on the land,and a tripled insurance premium
gt 500 gaps that fatboi
“so you want a hellcat”
*army recruiters have entered the chat*
Here I am lol... Scoping out the comment section
@@jstephens1193 will the Air Force give me a hellcat?
If you have a min I’d like to talk to you about the wonderful world of infantry.
@@ShooterMcgavin6 😂😂🤙🏽
@@ozymvndiaz no... But the army will! Let me have a moment of your time
I'm a track guy. So I like light cars and cornering. But I truly do respect Dodge as a brand. They really are keeping the good 'ol Murican heritage in their line. And I really love how they're helping to keep the desire for high horsepower, internal combustion engines in the market today, when everyone else is moving to lifeless, boring electric cars. God bless Chrysler brother!
Not anymore since they discontinued the srt
@@islami658 SRT as a brand was distributed throughout Stellantis (Dodge's new parent company). However, they did not say that they were going to stop making SRT vehicles, the badge and trim level itself is still going to be around, and the engineers are still working on varying products; however, there just isn't a concentrated team on it (like Ford with SVT).
@@zommergames3972 they were not “distributed”. The srt division was already divided. If the engineer worked on jeeps they simply went to those offices. It is so they are in the division that they were already assigned to. They were not just spread across the earth.
@@Sak-zo1ui I think you took my wording a bit too literally there. What I meant was the concentrated SRT engineers were no longer just that (yes, they had their own offices, etc.) the were distributed to the respective brands in Stellantis for a more 'efficient' system (like SVT with Ford as I said before). I think you and I are on the same page, but my wording may have thrown you off.
@@zommergames3972 ya we are
- “So You Want a Mazda2”
- “So You’re 21 and You Want Your Own Insurance Plan”
Nobody wants a Mazda 2
Insurance plan when to step away 16-18?18-21?21-24? 24+
@@bobjohnson3244 step away at around 22-25 whenever your young man tax disappears lmao. Or whenever the premium for your first ticket levels out 😎 also hellcat owners low key cringe
😭😭
“Take off the splitter gaurds” give this man a raise
I like the splitter guards. As do everyone else...
@@fastgrandm1236 uh no, not really.
@@ml91765 everyone likes them...
@@ml91765 dodge says take them off, real men leave them on. Go throw some duck tape on your civic and call it a hellcat...
@@fastgrandm1236 Not everyone likes them. And they’re intended to come off. But some do like the look and leave them on. Which is also okay. Not that big a deal.
Just a tip, I own a 2020 Hellcat with summer performance tires on it and have 0 problems driving in the rain. You just can't floor it, drive it like a normal mom suv and you're completely safe and wont even notice any traction issues.
With Bridgestone Blizzak tires I used to drive my 300 SRT (500HP) all through the Canadian winter. Tires make the difference. If you can afford the FatCat you can afford the tires I'm sure.
despite being completely opposite products, the fiat 500 and Challenger Hellcat are made by the same company lol
Yeah, but the cat is made in north America and fiat's are produced in Italy. Plus, Dodge headquarters is still in Michigan and always has been
No they literally aren’t 🤣
@@carguy0389 they are lmao fiat is with Chrysler lol
I have a Fiat 124 spider, a Mopar Italian Miata
Yeah but now there owned by the clowns who own Renault and Peugeot. RIP the good times with dodge, it was fun while it lasted
*The fact that the Hellcat makes 700+ HP yet gets 20+ mpg highway (without any hybrid assistance) is a massive technological achievement. Other cars that make similar figures barely get over 20.*
Lmfao I know two people with hellcats and they have ~8mpg. Depends on how easy you go on the gas ig
Facts... My sister gets 11 mpg in hers.
If you get 22mpg your driving the car wrong
Just googled it.12/21mpg city/hwy. Trust me you’ll get street mpgs on the highway after a couple of pulls
At the end of my 750+ mile trip from Vegas to El Paso I showed 25.8 mpg doing between 65mph to 70mph using cruise as much as I could in eco mode. This was in my 21 Charger Hellcat widebody.
2021: So you want a Dodge Challenger Hellcat
2025: So you want to LS swap a tesla😳
Might as well buy an entirely new car lol
You guys should do a “so you want a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT or Trackhawk”
Facts!!!
Hell yeah!!!
Hellcats are just beautiful.
“Please take off the bumper guards”
Every hellcat owner: No, no I don’t think I will
“So you want a 2nd gen Lexus IS”
This video must’ve been sponsored by Fast and Furious with all the references made
when you buy a hellcat, they should give you a white tank top and a 6pk of corona, lol
If this was actually $40k I’d own one. Ur looking at an easy 60+ Sad day to be in 2023
“It’s not a sub $10,000 car”? Damn dude, I don’t think any of the cars mentioned in this series are sub $10K where I live 😅
Majority aren't especially because of inflation. Maybe rebuilt title tho lol.
You can probably find a 10k hellcat with a total loss title, with a missing engine..
Day 73 of asking for a “So You Want A Cobalt SS”
So how did us skittle srt4s get a video and yall didnt?
All I've been waiting for haha. Even though I own one already but I wanna hear what he says about lnf/lsj
Who else clicks on these for the sick music montage in the beginning.
Thought about a hellcat. But I ended up getting a scatpack widebody charger because it’s usable power and it’s plenty
I also love how it’s quiet and loud when you want it to be for me, IMO, I love the scat pack and the traction is a lot better lol
@@tupapi121322 traction all matters on the tire. I run MT 315/35/20’s and I almost get no spin whatsoever. And yes I agree on the sound. Quiet when needed but it’ll roar when you want it to
These are things scat pack owners say when they don't have a hellcat 😂 Trust me I know. I had a scat and told myself the same thing, then I traded mine in for a hellcat. You would be surprised how often you can actually use this cars FULL power. And it feels GOOD...!!!
@@brenthanks44 100 percent!!
@@brenthanks44 I agree with this. Had a 2020 392 Daytona and even though it had plenty of torque, my 22 hellcat just hits different lol
it still blows my mind that they sell a 700hp car from the factory w a 5 year 60k powertrain.
Welp. I got a new R/T right now. I’ll get the Cat later on when I’m not too poor for it 😂
I hate thinking about having to take mine in for service. I can't imagine how much stuffs gonna cost to fix once something breaks.
In the same boat there, counting my pennies everyday until I can afford a HC
Same. Imma get a 392 fo now 😂
@@tr3ynag4ta picked up a low mile scat with a sc, has more hp than a stock hellcat, just have good insurance, crunched the front end on a large pile of road debris, front bump and fender etc. About 12k to fix. Insurance is a lifesaver.
My bros got one. It's scary quick, and It's smoother riding than my 20 Mustang GT.
700hp,FULL FACTORY WARRANTY!!! Faster than most cars stock.
Now how do I make it faster
> So You Want A Dodge Challenger Hellcat
well, yes I do
I been wantin a SRT8 since 2010. When Dodge put out the Hellcat, i was obsessed. Now it’s my dream car legit, and I kno everyone else is like “Oh yea it’s overrated” and I say “yea kuz they see them in rap videos and other media, I always wanted a SRT for the longest” I don’t want a Redeye either kuz Idc bout racing, I jus want my baby 💯😢 maybe a Demon doe lol, but after that, just a regular model and no widebody. Good vid y’all always puttin out the best vids, and rims 🔥
If you got one of those, would it be your first 400+ horsepower car? Would it be a daily driver? If so, I'd suggest avoiding a Demon (at least for now). That's a lot of power, but with a higher price, lower gas mileage, and (probably) higher maintenance costs.
Personally, I get the feeling that an SRT8 would cover what you're looking for in a car. You could always put some of the money saved towards modifications AND -- if applicable -- pay off the loan a lot sooner (more money in your pocket rather than the lender's).
@@eaglebaize yea when i get my money up, demon gon be fo the drag strip 😩 also, wouldn’t be a daily driver, more like a “once in a while” car fo me, like a weekend toy. Makes a lot of since if you want to keep it for long my guy 🏁
I rented a 2016 Hellcat in Vegas earlier this year & I fell in love.
Did you end up whippin it hard?! When are you getting one yourself? 👀👀👀 -Edgar
@@FitmentIndustries I took it out to Red Rock Canyon where I hit 156mph before I had to brake to avoid killing myself on a curve lol. But even driving it around regular streets was an absolute blast! ua-cam.com/users/shortsGZTKlAm6Xak?feature=share
“What do you think about the Dodge Challenger hell cat? Too much? not enough?”
Dodge: not enough release the redeye
I work at a dodge dealership body shop . They always need quarter panels due to driver error so you might want to check the quarter trough for the factory resistance welds . They are also super easy to break into with a flat head screwdriver (chargers too)so heads up.
1 view 3 comments, yes UA-cam this is accurate
Just gotta say as a Euro owner who's a technician that driven a hell cat, I will 100% agree best bang for you buck since you literally can pin the throttle and see nothing but everyone else around you getting gappatized and looking at you with their jaw on the floor mat. Just buy one or drive one and then come @ me.
A Hellcat really be the only thing I want fr and I’m not going to stop until I get one
Imagine an actual hellcat boat
“Take off the splitter gaurds” so many Chargers and Challengers don't have this removed! BUT.... having said that.... the yellow stripe along the bottom looks really cool! Someone should just make a proper version of this thing that works with the splitter, probably a good market for them. :D
BROOOOO he referenced Theodore the tug boat. Fucking legend.
Why would anyone want one of these when a supra comes with 1200+ horse power stock?!?!?!
😂
That’s with mods
@@dada1kd3szn21 Noooo
Man I am so torn on getting a hellcat or a 6th gen camaro. I know how to keep up the chevy like the back of my hand but Chrysler/dodge has not been kind to me in the past.
That camaro won't put a smile on your face like a hellcat will. Period. I mean NONE of the camaros.
It all depends on what you want. The Hellcat is more spacious, nicer and comfier on the inside, and easier to see out of. It's also bigger and doesn't give a damn about corners. The Camaro on the other hand is a purpose built sports car. It takes corners better than most other cars on the road and feels better to drive aggressively with better steering, brakes, chassis balance, etc.
You should get owners of these cars to talk about them in these videos.
7:49 I’m from eau Claire, and I did that exact same thing lol minus the mailbox
Ayooooo Wisco represent! 😂 -Edgar
So always love the vids and energy but speaking as someone that has a R/T charger the hellcat is the monster all dodge owner wants
These cars will be missed when they're gone.
So you want a 2nd Gen R8 V10 Plus. I just wish they showed more of Alex's R8, It's so gorgeous!
For the love of God can we get one of these hellcat for the charger?
Maybe! 👀
I normally only drive little 4 banger Hondas or Toyotas. Then I drove one of these bad boys and it scared the shit out of me. These things GO. That's all they do. GO, AND GO FASTER.
Finally 🤤❤️ my favourite American Muscle 👌🏻
My uncle has a daytona charger with 711hp that went from 0 to holyshiet in
no time.
SO YOU WANT AN INFINITI Q60 RED SPORT 😎
My friend has one and it’s amazing 🤩
THANK YOU!! Please show my baby some love!!!!
I had one, they are pretty good
"So you want a Toyota Avalon"
"So you want a Toyota Corolla "
Fun fact. The Splitter Guards on the Dodge Challengers DON’T damage anything by not being removed. The splitter isn’t carbon, or painted, or any finished surface. It’s a plastic splitter that is easily scrapeable so the guards actually DO help on a challenger. Hate to break it to y’all 😂.
I cant wait to get this car!!! im getting one soon bro!! lFG
About to get an 15 base model rt super excited
so you want a which s chassis is the best list😩
I understand they have 2 keys for the hellcat but I don’t wanna pay $60k and up it’s to much hp for what I want it for they needa make something with a lil less I think around 550whp is good the scats are nice but they need a lil more
Hey I want to buy a brand new challenger,. I dont know anything about cars, but the challenger looks awezoomeeee !!!. Any recomendation of what to buy or what is the diferences between a GT, SRT and all the other classes the challenger has, or just buy another car. I have been moving around in taxis and buses. TY
I have a Dodge Challenger R/T and I do want a Hellcat, just leave the car note 😂😂
Car needs intake relocation for any rain especially if lowered
Just picked up mine about a month ago 🔥 2015 3400mi for only 50k private seller! Couldn't believe it 😱
I love this series!!
Glad you enjoy it fam! 🤘🏾 any other series you like? -Edgar
Day 1 of asking for the “So you want a 2nd gen Lexus IS”
Never had any regrets buying my Red eye.
Couldn't afford insurance on a $70K+ hellcat. Hell, full coverage insurance on my 2019 scatpack charger is $285 a MONTH, with $250 deductible, for a car worth $45K new when I bought her in April 2019.
Love your videos, you should do one about an Audi A4 and all there models
Have you even done a SYWTB a ScatPack? Gotta do it before this
Nice job I loved your enthusiasm great work keep it up .what a 💓 beautiful machine....Perfect fit redeye....
Maybe I’m just weird but I kinda like the bumper guards
I want to own one but here in Canada they're $110,000 car's... And for that price I could just find a Viper.
used market brother
@@Plupx Used marked is still $80-85,000 for the province I am in.
@@matt2244 oh damn, there's some around 60-70 here in QC. Still expensive tho ngl
@@Plupx Yeha look up Alberta and lowest I could see was 73, still well about what I can afford haha
Alex you’re right “They are fun as $hit!!!!”
Day 157 of asking for "So you want a VW Passat W8".
the W8 existed?
Don't understestimate the turning capabilities of this boat, ive done some impressive shit in my r/t.
Alright so they finally put the car intro music in the description, does anyone know the song around 7:40?
So you want to submit your car to the gallery.
I was in the process of submitting my car to the gallery when I was reading the terms and services.
So if I submit an image of my car "You now own that picture"?
If you own that picture I couldn't sell 8x10 prints of it or any other type of merch from that specific photo?
You can sell whatever you want it’s your photo still! We just reserve the right to use it for our socials and advertising purposes 🤘
i came to see all the haters
Nice to see you here 👌🏽
who else watches these videos for the intro song, AND THEN stays for the car??
The “your young and ego” part really should be known I have a friend who bought a hellcat charger and crashed it then he bought another redeye challenger a week later 🤣
Dang, I can only imagine how much debt they're in (assuming that they took out loans for each). :O
I drove and rode in 2 new 2021 charger redeye at 14
You guys should do an E60 535i or the E60 platform.
Love mine, and yes remove the bumper guards lol
YES, YES I DO! I rented a SRT Challenger and it was amazing! But sadly I can't afford one. 😢
"So you want to Kswap your FRS/BRZ/GT86"
That's a thing?
@@jacobmoore6874 yeah they're slow as shit
@@jacobmoore6874 Yeah
@@ericmarciniak1 I guess
This editor needs to give me his baby because the car sure as hell is dope but did you see these clips? My man
I just got one a week ago and am in love
Can u do 4series bmw ?
bro i have mustang gt 2015 can i have 20×10 rim and tire 295×35 at the front, and 20×11 rim, tire 305×35 at rear. thanks
The only flak hellcats get is for their owners. Call me crazy but I have way more respect for the guy who built and tuned his JDM shit box to 700hp than the guy who walked into a dealership, signed some papers and drives around looking like a tool with the yellow tips still on.
My plan is to maybe start with a regular challenger, and if I like it and can afford it, sell that and get the hellcat.
Would need a second car though for the winter though. Would have to get that first.
All goes wrong I get a Porsche from early 2000 and get a Honda crv.
Or end up coming out of the car in a body bag… 😶
So you want a late model asphalt circle burner
love the vid bro
Curious, when you do giveaways, does me buying wheels count as entries for the giveaway or is it only for purchase of apparel?
I have a 2016 Challenger hellcat, great car
I know practically nothing about cars but I do know that I want a challenger hellcat it just looks nice compared to most cars and the engine is similar in power to my moms car that I drive around sometimes
Sheeesh what does your mom drive?
@@FitmentIndustries chrysler 300 hemi
So I want that Supercharger
What about the scat pack ?
1:01 Dude, the Dodge Challenger is sick and all, but when that beat drops after Alex says the name of the show...
I'm really here for that beat and intro too! 😂👌🔥🔥🔥
The US army will use this as a reference video to join the military.
Second gen Lexus IS! Make it happen!
I WILL NOT TAKE THE YELLOW BUMPER OFF MY REDEYE! 😂
PAINT IT RED IF IT IS BLACK BODY COLOR OR CONTRAST OF THE BODY COLOR HAHAHAAH
it looks better with it on
@@ssjstonerr then why not just take the bumper cover off and paint it the color of the bumper cover?
To bad they ruin your front splitter....
Alex is the MVP
These cars rock!!!
Make sure you get a diff brace.
@10:32 lol the modern car scene. Where internet trolls, used their anonymity to be "cool"
I had a 71 and a 73 Dodge Challenger with a 340 and 318 respectively. There were absolutely my favorite cars. That being said I don't like the new ones. Not a great body style and they handle like crap. If I were to go new "muscle car" I'd probably go with the Camaro for all around performance.