THERE'S A HUGE PROBLEM WITH MGK'S NEW ALBUM
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- Опубліковано 29 бер 2022
- MGK's album "Mainstream Sellout" is here. You've heard "Emo Girl" and "Maybe" (ft Oli Sykes of Bring Me The Horizon) but what is the bigger problem with "Mainstream Sellout"? Is Machine Gun Kelly the savior of pop-punk? Find out in the this MGK reaction/review!
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Let's hope Meg treats MGK like Sid treated Nancy
💯 percent agree about Blackbear.
@@amysmithakabipolar.teddybe6047 yeah blackbear is good.!
@@michaelflanagan1185 I listened to @my worst for like 2 weeks straight when it came out and it's still on heavy rotation along with SEVERAL others. 🤘💀🤘 Love him.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying good sir! I see the lyrical content a little differently. The "dark " lyrics, remind me of early 2000s emo stuff, like Hawthorne Heights, saves the day, story of the year. "Should I bite my tongue, til blood soaks my shirt ", and I can listen to that stuff today still. My problem with MGK using that kind of lyrical imagery is that it doesn't feel genuine coming from him. He is Mr. POP ROCK. not a real emo kid who can't talk to girls. Some of the songs and hooks are catchy, but there's just something about HIS style of pop "punk ", that feels like the bad guy/ school yard bully of a RomCom, tried to write The Atari's songs. It just feels fraudulent.
"Daddy's got bills to pay" had me rollin LMAO!
Me too 😂
Mgk haters 🤡
I think that these songs about depression and toxic relationships would be fine if they had just a bit more of a sense of “This isn’t okay. I’m not okay. My death/failure isn’t inevitable.” It’s easy to cross a line between helping troubled teens realize they’re not alone and normalizing and romanticizing those kinds of fucked up experiences. Some minor changes are all it takes because you do need to explore and linger on these dark themes in order to make it clear that you’re speaking from experience and to make good art. However, I think that MGK is mentally no more mature than an older teen who doesn’t have it any more figured out than his audience, so he’s not a role model. He’s more like your high school friend who your parents tell you is a bad influence and for good reason.
Well said
That’s his “aesthetic or persona” ain’t hard to understand
@@demxnbxyxo_9994 It’s a bad persona, that’s all
Very eloquently stated. I agree.
All his songs are recycled lyrics, my un professional uneducated guess is he's catering woke fans w all the pink and talk about bullshit relationship problems teens experience, what 30 yr old heading into his 40s makes fun of eminems age then makes tik tok music... he's lost me as a fan over the years and it's the most sample type of punk music i've ever heard, if his voice wasnt recognizable i would find this music to be linked to anyone but be more or like a punk tutorial
Even the most depressing emo I listened to as a teen had an underlying note of optimism somewhere laced into the obligatory despair. It also had a more poetry in a diary/ stream of consciousness vibe than a straight forward narrative of self destruction. I think hitting just the sad/ druggy/ insecure/ toxic in relationships note is a model that is trendy rn, so I get it on that level. It also comes off a bit like an identity crisis using the sort of manic/arrogant punk rocker tropes to bolster a potential case of grandiose rockstar fantasies.… all prospects= did hair metal teach us nothing?
This is so true - the best emo I used to listen to had a kind of bittersweet melancholy that made it sting in your chest when you listened to it; it felt multi-dimensional and real. I can appreciate what MGK is doing, but for me it will never hit home the way the older stuff he's trying to mimic did
Nailed it!
thank you, yes. Toxic hopelessness glorified and monetized.
Blink 182 had dick jokes, but also something fucking relatable and helpful.
And the old stuff wasn't boring and self service.
nail on the head about the hair/glam era. where is Nirvana?
Examples?
@@Mrdragon34909TL;DR: Saetia are freaking cool.
Pretty much anything from Saetia is on the "depressive" spectrum but put it into context and reading through the lyrics you can tell that words were chosen in an extremely elegant way. Take the last verse of Venus and Bacchus, extremely depressing lyrics with some suicidal references but it is all crafted in a way that you can relate and understand the beauty of the words and that makes the whole thing just a brilliant metaphor for a love that won't be anymore. No need to remind how many pills you swallow the night before, simple words simple poetics that everyone can relate and make their own without the need to be a self destructive prick. Anyway, I've been a Saetia simp for the last 15 years so that's just my way of reading their works. In conclusion, I sucked Mr Werner's cock enough with this excessively long comment but I really feel like lyrically the "core" scene is going down so badly.
I adore your honesty when you say you literally are doing these videos for the cash. And yet we still love how in-depth you are with your thoughts and how consistent you are.
Same. Great post
That's true. But he is looking at this from a 40 yr Olds view. I don't like mgk but I love pop punk now. Sueco is amazing
Hey we are adults or some of us, every job is for cash- so I like the straight up.
I mean at a certain age....its mostly likely about the cash lol.
Not sure if this is backhanded comment or not
"One of my favorite parts about kittens is their tails. I don't know why, they're just a little bit stubbier" lmaoooo. Love your stuff man
i mean. he's not wrong lmao
Honestly as an MGK fan, I'm not surprised if i hear the news he passed away from an OD or something. Dude has been struggling with drugs, addiction and mental health issues for years and his album Hotel Diablo sounds honestly like a cry for help. He needs help but either he doesn't want it or people won't give him help.
He has to help himself. Been there done that. Can have his family or lady beg and even make him get said help. He would most likely just get clean for a month and start back up. Its up to the person.
My thoughts exactly
@@arthurcharlie2873 I would have to agree with you on that one. The people around him can say “you need help. You have a problem “ all they want to but if he doesn’t want or doesn’t feel like he has a problem there’s not really much of a point in saying anything
I doubt it, I think most of what he says on his music is to sell more music to teens, he lashes out at people who are also famous for more attention, I think it's a marketing ploy, it all works he gets more famous more teens will follow him, he's not really all the things he says in his music, mgk is like Fred Durst, they play a role and play it well.
Hotel Diablo was arguably his best album next to general admission but man was that album dark and you can tell his mental health was wrecked. The media and ppl jumping on the hate bandwagon from the Em beef damaged his mental state even more at the time. After getting this #1 he needs to go back to rap, drop the high school themed music and put out bar heavy shit again. If these fake fans supporting his rock album don't support his rap oh well.
The only acceptable 'clapping back at the paparazzi' song is "Piece of Me" by Britney Spears ... The woman had a reason to clap back. It wasn't forced or farfetched
Very true
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA what about paparazzi by Gaga? Maybe that's not "clapping back" but it's a good song
"When they come for Me" Linkin Park. The amount of shit they got until 2017 for not making every album Hybrid Theory is absurd. That song was a solid FU all those morons in 2010
Umm.....what about 'I just wanna live' by good charlotte 📸🍕🌭
To be honest, the punkpop/emo/post hxc scene of the 2000's had its fare share of misoginistic and suicidal lyrics too.
Literally talked about slitting wrists and suicide.
yeah but it didn't have this same boyish charm that MGK is portraying. I think that's why a lot of people thinks he's fake or is just completely tone-deaf. I think it's the latter. He definitely comes off as a person that likes certain music because it's cool not because he feels connected to it, even when he was a rapper.
Always enjoy your MGK content because it's just a general criticism without any particular malice behind it.
All I ever see every day is people dragging him through the mud because of this and that, and yes, he has done and said some pretty shitty things.
But he is still a person, who is very obviously going through some shit, and I do have full faith he probably looks back at some of the things he's said and done like "Okay, maybe not my finest moment"
But it is what it is and people are always going to drag shit up, especially when you're famous.
I'm a fan, who has to deal with judgement every day for it. Do I think he's perfect? Absolutely not. Who is, though? I enjoy his music, and after going through a long period where I honestly stopped caring about music altogether, his last album is what got me back into it. I thank him for that, making me love music again. 💕
Btw, I'm 29, so not some punk ass kid who just defends him because I look up to him haha. I do genuinely enjoy his stuff, for how it sounds.
I don't think he can be criticised too harshly for his lyrics. It's no worse than late 2000s pop punk or metalcore that would tend to glamorise toxic relationships. I think you're underplaying the toxicity some of those songs had.
Yeah but the pop punk or metalcore band members were 20 yo more or less, mgk is over 30, and that's what makes the lyrics worse, he is not a kid
@@raaulm2166 Finn is a closeted mgk fan
Romanticizing the dysfunctional and dark side of life is pretty normal for artistic people. It is unfortunate, but Tom Waits, Jhonny Cash and Charles Bukowski made careers out of it.
I don't think their targeted audience were teens.
Imagine putting mgk in the same sentence as these three lmao
I see the album as a dive into his addictions and issues he's faced as a celebrity. You don't have to say something is bad for it to be bad. He knows it's bad and is probably having an internal conflict / addiction. The appealing part is the life of a celebrity, it's intriguing to see that someone can have it all and have nothing at the same time.
I just love how he randomly stops to talk about how the tails are the best part of cats. 😂 You the man Finn!
The thing I think you don't seem to take into account is that this is a facsimile of what pop culture THINKS emo/pop punk is, and scene music from the the late 2000's and 2010s was definitely edgy. So to me MGK is playing into exactly what the flavor of this stuff was. To me MGK is the 2000s distilled down into one artist. And that includes the edgier my chemical romance style stuff to. It's not purely just blink and New Found Glory.
The point you made about listeners not thinking that there's somebody on the other end of the music hits hard. Every time I've seen the artists I love, it shocks me that they are real, physical people. We glorify the art so much that we forget that there's somebody tortured on the other side.
Yeah what he said made me think of Kurt Cobain and how shocked people were that he took his life. I listen to the lyrics he wrote and I’m not at all surprised because he was clearly struggling. But I you’re right, people do forget that there’s a real person writing those words and those words come from a place. Even if they’re seemingly random, they reflect the condition of your heart.
And here I thought the bizarre fascination with Sid & Nancy as being some sort of tragic love story was mostly over with, but I guess not. When I heard that line for the first time I literally said "yikes" out loud. Totally gross.
I saw it live in Argentina and the truth is that I liked it, I didn't expect it. He recorded a good album, it's super catchy and captures the emotional state of the moment he was in (regardless of sharing what he says). Now everyone endorses his previous album and hates this one, I don't understand. I think it's doing a good thing for the industry and new generations are listening to pop punk. He was one of the few Lollapalooza Argentina artists who went with bands! that's good because the new generation listens to it and sees it. Anyway, stop complaining about his presence. It does everything right for me.
I definitely appreciate your perspective Finn. One thing I will say, as a 36 year old that has been through some shit. Sometimes listening to the dark songs, does help get you through it. I don’t know if it’s the relatability or what exactly. But before MGK and a lot of the sad boi rappers, Adams song by Blink and radio by Alkaline Trio, definitely helped me through some shit.
I still listen to dark music just to vent any negative emotions, even when my life is pretty good for the last few years, I sometimes just put on a really dark record to experience grief/loss/anger in my own private safe bubble.
Stuff that really works for me are:
The wall- pink Floyd
A tear in the fabric of life- knocked loose
Sleep well beast/high violet- the national
Same
I agree with you on the first half, but as for MGK's music: are you telling me you can connect to it on an emotional level like an Adam's song? 🤔 cause I haven't heard any emotional authenticity in any of his songs
@@flaminghead1va His songs are empty, much like his head
Finn getting totally distracted and pulled into the fact that there a ton of cats and "nice little kittens" is my favorite thing from today. Thanks for that.
That early '10s emo scene (Front Bottoms, Free Throw, etc) had a toxic relationship angle too; that whole "I'm a nice guy, why won't you fuck me" thing messed me UP as a young adult and stunted a lot of my relationships. This shit is no joke and impacts kids in real ways.
How did it “mess you up?” Did you become that guy?
@@NorthGeorgiaGhoul 100%. I don't think media is completely to blame for someone's behavior, I was in control of my actions and reactions the entire time. I'm not gonna say listening to sadboi Tumblr emo and hardcore and watching films and tv with a similar "nice guy" narrative didn't contribute to my stupid, immature way of looking at shit, though.
Falling in Reverse had "why do good girls like bad guys"
"I need a girl that I can train", Voyeur and some of the songs referencing Holly on self titled by Blink are a bit less cheery and innocent than "All the Small Things" Blink. Glorifying being a peeping tom in particular is pretty sketchy. Both of these artists pale in comparison to Brokencyde and a lot the late 2000s scenecore stuff which wasn't undercut by the melancholic tone of the music. I think sometimes when you're a teenager in a dark place you can't really relate to something completely upbeat because that's so far from the mental space you're in. My Chemical Romance was so great because they acknowledged the darkness while also making sure to provide some sort of hope that you can fight to try to bring yourself to a better place. For all the backlash to the Black Parade and mall emo glorifying self harm, the choruses of the first two singles on that album were "We'll carry on" and "I am not afraid to keep on living"
I mean, even when I was 14, I knew that "Voyeur" was a joke, clowning on a loser. I do think there is something to be said about how modern artists glorify substance addiction and make it look "deep".
@@fuzzboxBBQ substance abuse is deep lmao. People aren’t getting high everyday just to be high everyday. Anyone who’s ever been there knows it sucks. It’s an escape. Not everyone knows what that escape is for them but nobody is a druggie for the fun of it lmfao
as someone who has had a lot of mental health issues and writes about it in my music, I think people need to A:Want to get better and B:talk about wanting to get better in their music. It’s good to talk about mental health issues, but you have to have a mindset of getting better.
@ghost mall this is the bottom line. Art is to be created by the artist, not the consumer.
@ghost mall my thoughts exactly. when i was in my darkest moments, finding solidarity in the struggles of others was the ONLY consolation i had. if i couldn’t relate to anything i was listening to it would’ve just made me feel even more guilty and isolated.
IMO the main thing that makes MGK so "not punk" is his lack of humility. He's way too narcissistic to even pretend to be anything but "the cool guy," even when talking about his drug/mental health issues. You'll never hear him sing about feeling awkward on a first date, or even about sitting at home playing with himself.
"Make Up Sex" is a perfect example of why I dislike his songs so much. The music itself is great and I want to like it, which makes the cringey lyrics even worse.
That's what I liked about Blink's lyrics for First Date. It was more relatable.
Ever heard of Good Charlotte? 😂
This is so true and such a keen observation. All of the best/most classic pop-punk is ultimately much more self-deprecating and at least trying to be self-aware of being kind of a loser. But MGK is way too arrogant and sure of himself, which makes sense coming from rap. Sure, he struggles with things like anyone, like you said - but (at least to himself) he's always the king of dick mountain. Which is why, even though I'm sure in his heart and mind he loves (and is) pop-punk, it always comes off as disingenuous. And on a musical level it's all pretty generic sounding and structured behind Travis Barker's deep familiarity with the sound.
that ain’t true at all tho. just watch his interviews and his kelly visions. dude acts like a fucking dork n says how he hates his smile n shit. but people will never know and assume the MGK persona is who he is
A lot of punk including a lot of pop punk was about being a loser and embracing your status as a social outcast to find strength in it or in your fellow outcasts or whatever. I don't get the same vibe from these newer artists. That's neither good nor bad, just different, but it's one of the many reasons why this kind of mainstream pop-punk is a whole 'nother animal and people like MGK might not actually do much as gateway artists
I’ve recently reevaluated how I feel about Tickets to My Downfall. It’s not a great album but it was very fun to listen to even with it’s flaws. I simply can’t stand Mainstream Sellout, mostly because of the edgelord lyrics that you mentioned. However, you’ve opened up my eyes to what he’s going through mentally. That sucks. He is one of the most unpleasant people in the ‘scene’ but I just want to acknowledge that he’s being struggling with addiction and I want to see him do better. I was initially annoyed that he was wallowing in his own misery at the age of 31, but now I feel awful for him and it just makes me sad. I’m not excusing his behaviour because he has already proven to be very unlikable, but I still believe that deep down he is still human. I think he should get some help.
well think abt it. gen z hates him bc he said some shit in the past, the scene hates him cuz he’s a “poser”, rap fans hate him bc “eminem destroyed him”.
@@vincentnguyen7271 The scene hates him because he came in with rapper mentality and started talking shit like one and tried beefing with respected artists. The poser thing was the first reason but now he's given us a real reason to dislike him.
@@CheddarTheShredder i don’t understand tho, corey taylor talked shit about him publically twice before he fired back. i don’t know if not sitting down like a lap dog just bc the person who dissed u is a “legend” is worth hating
It's because Corey is older than him, the rock / adjacent scenes are like sinecures for bands that have been around for decades.
@@CheddarTheShredder so basically you're still hating for no reason
When he dropped Welcome to my Downfall, I really thought it would be good for the genre and bring pop punk back into the mainstream. Instead, mainstream artists are making pop punk. It is to the point where it’s almost their own little sub genre (Barkercore). Look at the lineup for his tour. There’s no pop punk bands on there. Just all of the LA/TikTok artists under the Barker umbrella. What he is doing isn’t really helping pop punk, just capitalizing off of it. Maybe it’s a gateway for kids to discover bands like Knuckle Puck, Heart Attack Man or Between You and Me, but I really don’t think so.
Couldn’t have said it better I totally agree
To me Travis is always the Aquanaut's drummer.
But.. but... Avril!! 🥺🤣
I'm seeing her in May, but not part of this tour. Lol
How do you capitalize off a dead genre. I mean he revived it and created a whole new audience for it. I think that's great.
Lmao you mean tickets
I really don’t understand how MGK making pop punk benefits the actual genre in any way. I think it’s safe to say that no scene band has found more success because MGK is in the genre. The crossover of MGK die hards expanding their listening to bands like Neck Deep or Stand Atlantic has to be considerably low. I’d say it’s good for the Travis Barcore artists he associates with, but a lot of them were already popular from music or something else to begin with. Just my take.
The optimistic take (not saying it's realistic, but optimistic): the 14 year old listening to MGK today goes down the rabbit hole and is listening to **insert REAL MUSIC here** by the time they are 17
There's always an abundance of talented underground and mid-tier bands. I think the hope is that a mainstream success like MGK can be an entry point for some teenager discovering rock.
to these 13-21 year old kids.... this will be their blink 182 when they are older. People may not agree with it but thats just what its going to be.
I see a lot of people criticizing him for acting like he “saved” rock. Except he kind of did….
MGK was the first artist to make rock music while also being treated as a modern pop star. This was a thing in the 70’s, and ‘80’s with stars like Billy Idol and Ted Nugent, but that was the past. Every single rock act of the past ten years were bands, and any of those bands that had huge mainstream success had one, maybe two hits and then jumped off the face of the earth. The rest of the rock scene stayed under the radar and has had no success in the mainstream, because it refuses to change.
MGK crushed that when making the jump to rock, because he didn’t completely reinvent himself. He only reinvented the music he was making. Because of this MGK isn’t really a “rockstar”, he’s a rapper that makes rock music now. And that is why he’s problematic to some, because he’s trying to combine two ideologies and that puts him into an awkward middle ground between rock and modern pop/rap music.
But, this has become a trend with other solo artists who are playing rock music but are given the same treatment as modern rappers and popstars. So MGK didn’t technically “save” anything; that’s the wrong word. Instead, he “updated” rock music to the ideologies of the modern zeitgeist.
Bro tbh mgk been in the pop punk shit even when he was rapping.. Go look at Bros discography lol... Really he has a whole rock background... WHILE rapping.. But yeah this is cringe tho
He it definitely impacting the genre more than anyone else right now besides maybe Travis barker. Are they listening to neck deep or stand Atlantic no but that’s just cause they ain’t that popular anymore, but certain artists of new pop punk are here because Mgk is making the genre popular again after people stopped listening to pop punk for over a decade.certain new pop punk artists that are young are blowing up and it’s because Mgk made this sound cool again. Like for example jaden or whatever his name is propbably wouldn’t be getting the success he’s getting in poppunk music if Mgk didn’t make it popular again. There’s tons of bands I feel like that about tbh
I'm all for artists expressing their struggles with depression, substance abuse, trauma etc. I think it can help the listener be able to relate to their own issues in their own lives, and maybe feel not as alone.
However, it has to be done well. If you put any one of these tracks up against something like Nutshell or Down in a Hole by Alice in Chains , MGK's lyrics come across as almost basic and pandering.
I might be in the minority here, but I've noticed a pretty obvious pattern of MGK trying to imitate other artists, both with his lyrical content and just his overall aesthetic. (He did a photoshoot where he's pretty much in Kurt Cobain cosplay) I don't know...
his hotel diablo album is way darker than this one. also he used to rap about kurt all the time and kurt is a huge inspiration to him
Good! I'm not the only one who noticed the formulaic pandering. MGK always seemed to be a favorite of "basic" girls on meth in Orange County, California.
Finn's starting to sound like the fucking Brit Press hysteria over emo.
@@vincentnguyen7271 I am totally in agreement that his previous work was darker, and that's exactly my point with his recent work. It's coming across as a more shallow version of what he's capable of. It's a little too formulaic to seem sincere to me.
@@sammieh2265 i agree. hes been downgrading musically, i guess he’s kind of trying to chase that feeling of success he’s been deprived of of so long. but that also has taken some of the authenticity out of his music
I like Tickets to My Downfall. That being said, even when that album came out I just wished everyone would stop calling it pop punk. Now for this new album the write up on iTunes calls Mainstream Sellout a “period-specific pop-punk record as envisioned by an artist with a rapper’s sensibility”… The latter half of that statement may be true, that it’s a rapper’s idea of pop punk, but MGK’s music isn’t pop punk to me. It’s just genre mash-up music with the drummer from blink-182. If MGK wants to promote his music as a collaboration with Travis Barker that should be enough in itself, but for him to be considered a pop punk revivalist will surely leave all these TikTokkers confused when they look up real pop punk bands from before they were born.
I've been listening to MGK since 2011-2012. His earlier music was more optimistic (invincible ft. ester dean for example) in some respects bc he was still "grinding" to get famous. Listening to this album and looking back, I think part of it is a front to sell more albums (Emo Girl - wish it was never made), but the majority of it is him realizing the thing he wanted so badly when he was younger is so much harder on him than he thought it would be. Yes, he brings a lot of the hate himself by over-reaching and making statements about people he has no reason bringing up. But he's also been hated by a lot of people from the beginning of his career and the more famous he becomes the more of that hate he sees. Most of everything on the internet comments are just hateful, the people who care and are appreciative of him typically aren't the ones commenting on things, so he sees more of the hate.
After some interviews I've seen recently I think Megan Fox is great for him because she's helping him to deal with some of the things he put off for so long. She was the reason he ever reconciled with his father before he died. I don't entirely understand his idolization of toxic relationships. When I listen to Twin Flames, I actually feel his words, but in Make Up Sex I get the vibe that it's more of a catchy bullshit song to get blackbear on the album.
i said it so often and now i say it again, finn i love your positive attitude and message throughout all your videos as someone suffering from depression since i was a little kid your videos make my days brighter, and your positivity is contagious THANK YOU!!!!!!!
I cant stand MGK but agree with you that is a good thing for the scene overall. Shoutout from Brazil!
brasil is proper typing
Brazil 😆
@@HI-pi1er theres no z in portugese
Come to brasil
Can't stand mgk but y'all bitch around like crazy
When he was a kid his mom abandoned him for a ministry and his father was abusive and he grew up in poverty. He definitely still has lasting affects from that.
To be fair Sid vicious didn’t play his bass live
Also good Charlotte already did the “they say I’m not a real punk” thing better
I’m glad you’re talking about this. I love MGK and his music - honestly I didn’t even grow to love him until he dropped Tickets to my Downfall- but this particular album’s lyrics did disappoint me. The music itself is amazing, but all I could think when dissecting the lyrics was how much 17-year-old me would have sunken deeper into my angsty, toxic habits. I don’t think it’s an artist’s responsibility to be G-rated, like you said, for this sake.. but there’s seemingly no story in the lyrics.. no uplifting notes, no redemption, no learning from past mistakes. It’s all chaos, and it makes me sad for him.
What this album really needs is a guest spot from Corey Taylor...
I feel “born with horns” and “maybe” are the better songs in the album but in two totally different ways. “Maybe” was clearly written to be an anthem. “Born with horns”, though it sounds very close to his title track from TTMD, is the best full song on the album in it’s entirety. Lyrics are good, for the most part, and the music sounds well put together.
As a 36 year old former emo kid I feel like the pop punk of the early 00’s is so nostalgic to me because it’s attached to so many memories of growing up and hanging out with friends. New pop punk tries to emulate the sound but I’m not making those same memories and having those same experiences. Maybe current kids in high school will have this album full of their coming of age anthems but for me that ship has sailed and I don’t relate to this album. Unpopular opinion but I think Hotel Diablo is his best album and I vibe with that a lot
I became an MGK fan when he started doing punk but I grew to like Hotel Diablo more than anything else
As a fan of MGK who's currently 18, a lot of the lyrical themes of TTMD and Mainstream Sellout were relatable in the sense of feeling certain ways such as having no hope and being stuck in emotions and relationships. But I definitely agree with the influence he had within his aesthetic and lyrics about how to deal with them (drugs etc) wasn't the best for young teens. Because I want him to continue as a fan to make music, I really do hope he can get help not only for himself but for his daughter and Megan as well.
Great analysis as always. I loved TTMD bc it felt genuine and a long time coming since his other ventures like Bloom album and "Why r u here?" song. I can listen to Tickets front to back and enjoy it.
Sellout is just so cringe, it's trying too hard.
Since MGK mentions Donda 2, it strikes me as fascinating how both he and Kanye are clearly having mental breakdowns but the people around them are profiting off it so neither are willing to get help.
nah mgk started going to therapy but i still think he’s on the drugs
@@vincentnguyen7271 the problem is most people who suffer from mental illness don’t have the entire world constantly criticizing you every day. I don’t see how someone can get better when they constantly get put down by so many people, but when he’s gone everyone gonna hop on his wave.
mgk's pop-punk music is the ultimate "guilty pleasure" for me. i don't like the lyrics to most of his songs, but musically the songs are really strong and i find his stuff too addictive to not listen too
I was excited for my kid to be into tickets to my downfall because I was excited for her to broaden her pop punk horizons and it was fun to listen to in the car with her. We were both excited for this new album to come out and then I turned it on to listen to it with her and just hardcore cringed the whole time.
Letting yer kids get into MGK is child abuse
You do realize MGK's fan base are mostly people who were in middle school/highschool from 2010-2016, right??? Obvi idk how old your kid is but I'm guessing they were like 4 when Wild Boy came out lol
@@rondalemoore2690 good guess… you’re pretty close. but idk what that has to do with anything…. The length of time someone has been a musician doesn’t necessarily have any bearing on the content of their music…
@@eschalle89 You right... I think I misinterpreted your comment as saying you didn't want to listen to the album with your kid because the lyrics were too vulgar
@ghost mall thank you! I didn’t even want to dignify that comment with a response. I agree with you on both of your comments. I loved my chemical romance- 3 cheers for sweet revenge album when I was in early high school and listening to the lyrics now they are super dark, but that wasn’t my takeaway when I was younger. You’re totally right about open lines of communication and if something is forbidden it’s more desirable. That being said, I think I’ll still keep the tickets to my downfall songs as our car music haha! 😊
Granted, there's room for artistic license, Mainstream Sellout made me concerned for his future marriage to Megan Fox. Unless she's on just as much drugs as he is or is down with drugs just as much as he is, there's no way that relationship ends well.
a lot of the issues with the lyrics definitely was a problem with old scene music and will continue to be a problem in the future i feel like. i still remember how much flack pierce the veil caught for romanticizing mental health, and it is honestly deserved because this music clearly appeals to a younger audience. im 21 now but being older i can see in hindsight it wasn’t good for me to listen to lyrics like that at 13
It was nice to see a bunch of artists come together to make an album featuring MGK
MGK isnt the voice of a generation, he's the groan of a phase
Lol.... That's hilarious.
This is such a lame and corny gatekeeper comment like you’d see on a Eminem music video comment section.
@@NoName-iw1kj how is that even gatekeeping
Lmfao@@NoName-iw1kj your taste in music sucks
@@NoName-iw1kj no it’s just funny lol
Imagine seeing MGK show up to a real hardcore show like a gulch or drain show, wonder how the crowd would react
He would be a target 🎯 lol
@ghost mall you’re the smartest person in this comment section lol. Good looks
I mean there would probably only be 20 people showing up to see those bands perform and they all would be middle aged lmao
@@user-pm5my9zq7j nah bro I just saw drain on your in philly, the place was packed and it was mostly people under 30
I like MGK’s sadder songs. It’s probably not healthy but I’m in my early 20’s and have major mental health problems that have landed me in the suicide unit a couple times. I guess I like those kind of songs and maybe a lot of other people do is because lyrics like that relate and make us feel heard…I don’t know it’s tough to explain. People in general don’t want to be around depressed people so it makes it hard for us to even open up about how we feel. But when I listen to a lot of MGK, JXDN, or even Juice Wrld…it feels like a venting outlet for me. The Amity Affliction is probably my all time favorite band because I feel connected to the lyrics. Like I said, probably not healthy, but, that’s how I feel. I enjoy listening to music I can relate to.
I feel you bro. The artists you listed are not afraid to really open up and help people with their music
I wanted edgy music when I was young. I just want good music as I’m older. Frankly, I’m still discovering 2000s/2010s/new metalcore/post hardcore/pop punk that I accidentally miss….and new pop punk (hot mulligan, meet me at the alter). I wanted to see Lil Lotus last night but I was sick. MGK is whatever. Ashleesimpson core, hahahaha
Caught Hot Mulligan and Meet Me @ The Altar a few weeks. Both bands really impressed me. They're touring with Knuckle Puck, who is also doing some great pop punk stuff.
I love Lil Lotus
Ashleysimpson Core HAHAHAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣
I think it’s really comprehensive that MGK talks about his problems in such a juvenile way, the thing is he never was teen, he never had teen experiences. He’s been on the music business since he was 15! When we were figuring shit out and falling in love with the wrong people, he was already working, making music all day, trying to make his name… And when he signed with a label pretty much everything was controlled by the label (as it is for most artists)!
So I guess he only got the wheel of his own life and understood the whole situation a while ago! And of course acknowledging drug problems and mental health issues is not easy, it doesn’t matter how old you are, so I just hope he gets better and figure everything out 💙
MGK is dude who knows how industry works.
the album name says it all, he is trolling everyone while making money and being celebrity.
Im so glad I watched this video of yours. I'm a casual viewer of the channel, (I'm the person that helps the mgk videos do well :'D) but I was always pretty critical of your idea that just because he's 30 it makes the music "weird". Im personally 28 and still feel young and joke about being the emo girl so I never really got it until you said "Hes talking about these mental health issues in such a juvenile way" and it all clicked,
like yeah it makes more sense for jxdn to sing about being fucked up and in toxic relationships because he hasn't had time or experience to learn and grow from those experiences where mgk has.
probably the best video I have seen by you yet, the explanations here are much more clear and logical than some of the other "idk I just don't like it" opinions that I have seen
yea but in the same video he praises blackbear who is 31 and literally ALL blackbear songs are about a toxic relationship. and MGK has never had great relationships or been in love, megan is basically his second real love
@@vincentnguyen7271 yeah i noticed that as well, def went over my head until I googled the age of blackbear
@@kirstnmichelle exactly, mgk gets so much flag for it when blackbear is the same age with music pandering to 14 year olds and avril is 37 writing songs about “bois lie”.
@@vincentnguyen7271 im telling you. its all influenced from his recent hate.
To be entirely fair, although worded better and more subtle, all the mall emo bands in the mid 2000’s talked about self destruction drug use and suicide too and often twisted it into glamorous poetry. Don’t get me wrong, I think the criticism of MGK is fair and I personally hate romanticism (and MGKs music though I get the appeal), I think romanticism is a poison that causes people to prize narrative psychodrama Romeo and Juliet shit over trying to make peace with the world and their place in it, but this unhealthy self destructive shit is in no way new. What I will give you, as I mentioned earlier is that the mid 2000’s stuff wasn’t quite so over with its "I wanna kill my self shit" it was totally there, and veiled thinly, but it was there.
I honestly hope that the man behind MGK (Colson Baker) can at least get the help he needs, because he's obviously not in a good place right now. A lot of his songs feel like genuine cries for help.
What do you think of the other Lil Wayne feature on the album, drug dealer? I think it's one of the best songs on the album and I think Lil Wayne's voice suits pop punk and I get what your saying about lyrics
Maybe hes designing the lyrics around what kids want to hear or what theyre feeling or how younger more emotionally inexperienced people feel. He doesnt necessarily have to feel depressed to write a song about a person or people feeling depressed or the effects of it.
This might be a bad take but I don’t think anyone who’s actually been in a toxic relationship wants another one
Thank you for actually giving a true reaction and your true feelings on the album instead of being disingenuous and being overly critical of it because it’s MGK.
I listen to music about negative toxic shit and depression. It helps me get through life since I live that life. Music is meant to have no boundaries.
I think because people like MGK and a lot of others in this revival come from rap those themes are coming through in the lyrics, and that’s kinda what creates the pop/punk/rap fusion. But I definitely agree I enjoy older pop punk more because it’s just good dumb fun. It’s why I appreciate the musical/instrumental quality of this and tickets more than the lyrics
I'm not a fan of anyone glamorizing murder. I think it's fucked up how it's turned into edgy cool entertainment when that is literally someone's life that was taken. I think having lost a friend that way it has changed my perspective.
he isnt glamorizing it, its just a snapshot into his mind. He has alot of trauma and stuff, and alot of it are scary, and dark just like the lyrics. i do agree, glamorizing it is wrong but he doesnt mean it like that
@@McMuffinManLol trauma is not an excuse!
@@jackiejenson didnt say it was, i said it was him venting it than him glamorizing it, theres a difference
@@McMuffinManLol you're not going to convince me he's not a piece of shit
@@jackiejenson expressing trauma through music isn't glamorizing lmao.
Genuinely did a double-take when I heard you describing the “sweet” and “not dark/heavy” pop punk songs of the early 2000s and including Simple Plan in there. “Untitled,” “Welcome to My Life,” and “Perfect” are melodically great songs but the lyrics are the epitome of depressing and whiny. Otherwise agree on everything else you said.
I do agree that those songs are good examples of how early 2000s pop punk wasn't 100% G-rated, but I think it's useful to make the distinction between songs like those and ones romanticizing toxic relationships because it's "freaky" or whatever.
Then on the very G-Rated side is "I Don't Wanna Know" by NFG
i was thinking the same like what 😂
No just whiny, when I think depressing, I think Brand New or something, Perfect was literally played on Radio Disney and while Untitled has a dark meaning, the lyrics are still extremely vague
yeah man I agree, welcome to my life was hit me back in high school day when I was such a loser, I was bullied by a couple of friend and feel like an outcast
None of those songs are romanticising death, drugs, being toxic, having mental illness, suicide etc.
Lmao this intro at 0:20... I aspire to be this funny. Also for some reason your videos haven't been recommended lately on my page?
I've only heard the songs from your channel, but the one thing with the new breed of pop punk is sonically they seem to be aiming for Blink, but it comes off closer to Legally Blonde intro instead
I think MGK is being taken a bit too literally. When he says things glorifying toxic relationships I don’t think he actually likes toxicity in relationships it’s just something to sing about and nothing more. Its his way of trying to be poetic the way I see it
Well yes, it doesnt mean he likes the toxicity but when he writes about it it comes out as a glorification of toxic relationships to the listeners
So he's being insincere? Not exactly glowing praise! LOL
@@crazydud3380 It wasn’t meant to be praise but don’t act like tons of artists don’t do the same thing
For a guy his age the lyrics are extremely juvenile and show where his maturity level is at. Seems like he is using Megan as a crutch and thinks she will solve his problems. Megan will find she cannot fix him and will tire of trying. They won't last. You go into a relationship thinking you can change someone but the only person who changes is you. Seen it/lived through it all before.
Facts
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA facts? These are all assumptions, my dude. Based on what? Lyrics in a pop punk album, that for all we know, couldve been sitting in MGKs notepad from when he was 22. I think the guy is probably the happiest he's ever been and you're all looking into it a bit too much.
Yup facts
So on point. This is a great post about what's really going on. He has the attitude and mentality of a 16 year old. At this point He's a junkie that's not a real junkie because he has money.
@@52BLUE I agree people that are happy write songs about how they are thinking about suicide, overdosing on drugs and etc. And no... He was a hard core rapper at 22 talking about killing people and getting head. He had no fan base at that point but that's what he was writing about. You are most likely a kid but MGK is a bad boy artist that has talked about killing others, being in a gang, and spent ten years of his career trying to act like a African American.
The Untitled album by blink is definitely dark. Not in MGK's kind of way, but there is a lot of darkness there, from Asthenia to Go, from Stockholm Syndrome to Down, I'm Lost Without You, All of This, Violence... Well, I guess you can see what I'm getting at... Basically, it wasn't always bright and cheerful. The themes were certainly different, but they were certainly as dark, if not darker.
Also, Lonely and Play This When I'm Gone from Tickets to my Downfall seem to me like two songs that blatantly show what MGK has been going through for the last few years and how he looks at it when he's sober and thinking straight. I get a sense of despair from both of those songs, and it makes me thing that he's basically given in to his problems and that he's sort of just making the best of whatever time he has left, as it looks like he does not believe he might get over his issues. It is dangerous to have such a high profile artist go through this in public, especially considering how many teens he reaches. I would honestly not be surprised if he passed away within a couple of years, but it is mesmerizing to watch it unfold this "slowly" and out in the open. It's not like with others who suffered in silence or tried to hide it (or showed glimpses of their minds, like Chester, for example). He's excessively open about it and that makes me think that someone should step up and stop him before it's too late. I sure hope Travis is at least trying to do that, because despite his relationships, Travis seems to be an exceptionally deeply good person.
The track ‘god save me’ samples blink at around the 1 minute mark and it’s driving me mad I can’t place it!
It should be noted that rappers are really great at social media marketing meanwhile bands haven’t been able to keep up in the 21st century. With that being said and MGK being a former rapper, it took a rapper to put Rock back in the mainstream.
I’m listening to the album for the first time. That song with blackbear sounds like Last Friday Night by Katy Perry. Not a terrible song but basically part two of My Ex’s Best Friend.
It's literally that and I absolutely love it
@@habijjj Yeah, not too bad if. Prefer other songs on the album though.
NGL… Kind of like that first song… and I’ve never heard if Black Bear, but will definitely check him out now. Poppunk has always been one of my guilty pleasures, especially since the punk scene basically defined my late 20s/early 30s… yeah, I’m old
My main issue with him is that you could replace his vocals with a synthesized robot voice and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
I don't think MGK is doing that much for the scene, because he's not in the scene. I see this new wave of mainstream tiktok pop punk as a whole new genre of its own. Nobody in the scene wants the genre to be mainstream again, we were good with what we got. MGK is not associating with any of the smaller bands. He doesn't want to be part of the scene, he's just doing a Greta Van Fleet version of their music
I agree with you on the fact he’s not part of the scene. MGK, Travis Barker, and all their little buddies are part of their own scene. They have completely separate values and styles than the regular pop punk scene.
I disagree with what you said about how no one in the scene wants to be mainstream. That’s not true. Fans of the scene definitely want pop punk back to the mainstream. And I see more scene bands out there doing features/collabs and stuff like the rappers do. That’s the reason for all the backlash against new wave pop punk that’s happening. We all wanted pop punk to have a mainstream presence again, but not like THIS.
I totally agree. This is a whole new genre that I think needs a name. It takes inspiration from pop punk but is a thing of its own.
It honestly terrifies me that his fans are all young girls when his comments about young girls in the past are so scary and predatory. His shit will hopefully catch up with him one day I’m so sick of seeing his face all over everything.
Avril’s album is 10x better but it won’t chart like this will bc she’s not a white dude w pink hair catering to minors lol
No shade to you though Finn I love the opinions you bring to the table. Just my two cents before even watching this video lolol
@@t0tally3rica yeah she did the album for her and to have fun.
@@sarah29880 yes exactly and it sounds and feels authentic the way mod suns pop punk music feels to me. Mgks pop punk just feels like the biggest cash grab. I understand why he’s doing it and that it’s good that it’s bringing pop punk into the mainstream again but like at what cost?
I agree with most of what you said and appreciate the genuine review. And while i agree it’s borderline awkward to continue if not dive deeper into the “self pity” depression stuff into ur 30s; but life is weird and not all of us get the plan; to get married and move on/up in life by our 30s. I don’t think anyone plans on getting stuck and hitting lulls in life, wether it’s direct result of some key decisions and actions of our own or not.
that first single confirms something I've noticed about MGK's music from jump. when I read his lyrics I can only think, "it sounds like you're the problem"
Has that cringey Harley and the Joker are goals energy unironically. It’s weird to hear it coming out of a pop punk sound too.
Also, not feeling it isn’t being a square to me. I realistically think a lot of us from the scene really want wholesome and healthy relationships. It’s just difficult because a lot of us never had good role models. Suburban normie life is my idea of getting away from all that toxic shit that dudes like MGK are still romanticizing.
My thoughts exactly
I really enjoy the new MGK and am totally into his music. I also LOVE watching your videos about him and his music! You’re so balanced, we’ll spoken, great opinions. You make the best videos!
Thank you!
Damn, are we *still* leaving the autotune on at 100% correction in Current Year? For every song? I'll never get used to that.
Thanks for your videos, dude. I enjoy listening to them while I work.
I think he's exaggerating his emotions to sell more records to teens, he's playing a character he's not really as depressed or as much of a drug addict as he says.
Go back and listen to Lace Up album and Black Flag mixtape. This is no act.
@@rondalemoore2690 when he used to rap about drugs and being bipolar and hanging with thugs, yeah fits a narrative, he's a good actor, he sells himself well, but he's not a real gangster or thug, or depressed drug addict, it's an act and it sells.
@@michealrosen Have you ever heard End of the Road or Been Through It All? What about See My Tears or Against the World?? It sounds like you've only heard songs like Wild Boy, Til I Die, and Breaking News.
@@rondalemoore2690 ya honestly I miss the rap. I appreciate this stuff cuz I like this genre too more than rap even and ik mgk is a fan of punk and having fun doing it, but I wish he was as lyrical in the punk shit hes doing as he was on the og mixtapes and albums
Problem I had with this album is it felt like he was trying to prove that he was pop punk by leaning into cliches of emo gen pop punk culture. Where tickets felt like he was telling a story thru a pop punk medium. I still like a few songs off the new album tho it’s just not to the extent I liked tickets
100% agree👌🏻
I had a friend who went to live the gutter punk life after we graduated high and I never saw him again. I sometimes wonder if he is still out there.
I think disfunctional relationships are a lot more common than the perfect pickett fence dynamic. It's quite genius to aim music at these people. A lot of metal and punk doesn't scream functionality and stability to me. Sid and nancy must have loved each other at some point. The tragedy of ruined love is a lot easier for people to relate to. I dont think he wants dudes to kill their girlfriends. I think it's more of a extreme example of how people fuck each other up. We're all broken at one point or another. Sid and Nancy is such a great track though.
I wouldn’t call FalloutBoy sweet and innocent music to be honest
Teenagers do get influenced A LOT by music and the suicide tendencies of this album,no warnings, and just basically saying I will sulk in my misery. Like OK but what are you doing about it? Toxic relationship get the ef out.
Younger people NEED good role models, not people that don’t try and deal with their shit. 100 percent. I actually don’t mind the album as a 35 year old hard core old school pop punk fan, but I literally don’t take it seriously so to think of teenagers listening to it, yeah not cool if they take it serious at all. And the drug reference as well.
This is part of the reason I was attracted to hardcore back in the day. Hearing bands like Hatebreed talk about choosing your own destiny and staying true to friends and family, it felt so much more inspiring than the self-pitying despaired lyrics in nu-metal that I had been into prior.
yea but again pretty strange to dog on this album when it’s pg-13 considering that rap is the mainstream and that lyrical content is 10x worse
wait until she discovers teenagers listen to rap 💀
@ghost mall yeah valid argument
@@paveantelic7876 l understand there is worse stuff out there. I’m saying that I’m sick of the oh feel bad for me, fuck the world, I’m not good enough, I’m the victim of all this shit attitude. Like ok I get it, but when do you move on from that?
Overall I’d say I can agree with you on most points. I’m not personally a fan of his music either. But the music isn’t bad in the grand scheme of things and I do agree what he’s doing is good for the genre. I don’t necessarily agree with your stance on the lyrical content. It’s by no means my favorite, and it does feel a bit pandering a times. But to say it’s going to negatively effect someone can be said about a lot music that’s been in the lime light over the years. Whether it’s the aggression/violence, anger, sadness, self loathing, etc. all of that can be glorified to some degree by someone who is misunderstanding the artists intent. But I think the counter argument to that is whether we want to admit it or not, it’s relatable. There will always be someone who can here this and it relates to them because they know someone else feels the same. Especially coming from someone with MgK’s seat in life could be positively impactful to a young person. Just some food for thought. Either way, big fan! Love your content🤘🏼
I honestly don’t really mind lyrics and content about dark and toxic stuff since it can be relatable to some people and it just sells well.
Mainstream Sellout feels like the B-sides from Tickets To My Downfall quickly complied together for the sake of releasing an album.
Very generic pop-punk with uninspired lyrics. All around just an inferior version of his first pop punk release with his best song being a mellow rap song with Lil Wayne.
as a MGK fan, i like this review. u have valid points. a lot of your following is blind to the artist he is though
Bruh we have ears. It's garbage.
I don't know if I would agree with the idea that he's necessarily romanticising toxic relationships in his lyrics. The themes of that are of course there as you pointed out, but there is always another way to look at it. I don't actively listen to him so I am new to his discography, but I can definitely see it as - if he in fact has dealt with these kinds of relationships - the lyricism is a way of processing that in his own life, and it's not so much an attempt to make it sound attractive or anything, but simply an outlet of expression about it through music. I would argue there might be a place in MGK's mind where he might simply want to bring awareness to this kind of thing, that being negative relationships, through his songs, rather than condoning them.
That is the difference: *raising awareness vs expressing support.* I see it as more the former. At least, I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt on that. Unless he says that he writes these lyrics because he likes them applied to real life or something, I think he's surely got another side to it.
I really want to hear thoughts on this: he says Blackbear is great but I feel like Bear and MGk have some of the same lyric topics. That Bear could be influential and have grip on young kids too. I don't know. I just see them as dealing with a lot of the same things and having similar storylines in songs.
I think MGK has been romanticising his battle with mental health, drugs, alcohol and relationships so much almost as if it were a movie. He's acted in multiple movies where he died aswell and something tells me that he wants that bonnie & clyde thing of going down in flames. He even said so on his song 27 on the album 'bloom' "if I must go and die at 27 Then at least I know I died a legend". I'd hate to see him die prematurely because of these habits. Music wise I enjoy some songs though on this album and TTMD though.
i’m glad he’s going to therapy now but he needs to sober up fr
i dont like MGK but i dont think what hes saying in his music is juvenile, i think its just written to be overly relatable. i dont understand why music has to be written at a certain maturity level honestly when theres other artists doing the same shit. hes been open about going to therapy, and you know, maybe the album was written to cope with some of those things hes going over in therapy.
Something I've noticed of young people recently is the requirement to have some kind of 'trauma' like it's a badge of honour. I feel like this kind of music capitalises on that.
I think this is a nostalgic take on who they were as teenagers. Or a reimagining of their teenage interests compared to the new generations from a cliffnotes perspective.
I really enjoyed the new album 🖤
@ZLaner Cheats I'm 25 right now, been listening and playing melodic hardcore, punk rock and pop punk since I was like 10 and I enjoyed the album. I understand it's not great but it's really enjoyable if you take it for what it is.
@ZLaner Cheats who gives a fuck. Let people enjoy what they want.
@ZLaner Cheats you are so cringe, i can't. Also this album is really good.
@ZLaner Cheats bro you should start a channel to enlighten the world with your knowledge of punk! My favorite thing is a self-reflective person who laughs at what teenagers like. /s 🙄
@ZLaner Cheats I'm from Spain so by that time the scene was pretty different. See I started listening to pop punk around 2008, thats right, but the bands I started with were NOFX, Rancid and The Offspring and then Green Day, Blink, Rise Against, etc a little later. I didn't even had MySpace, dude, I in fact didn't discover ADTR until their Common Courtesy era and even then didn't like them that much. Anyway, I know I'm not a "trve pvnk" fan at all because I don't listen to some local band that plays for 100 people and sounds like a cat in a grinder, but I think it's delusional from you to believe this album can only be enjoyed by kids or posers.
I enjoyed Tickets to my Downfall for what it was but Mainstream Sellout is horrendous. It is a perfect representation of Pop-Punk sounding dead in the water.
Stay in that echo chamber bud. He still got his second #1 cope
@@Thatguy55595 Exactly and it’s way better than Tickets imo.
@@Thatguy55595 is that now a standard for quality?
Stopppp the album is pretty good. Take out Emo Girl and it might be a full listen for me
What echo chamber are you referring to?
I laughed a bit when I heard you say that you don't necessarily want to talk about MGK all the time. Love your content, so I try to watch it all, but as I was clicking on this vid, I was wincing a bit and wondering if I personally need to hear more about MGK. I don't. Yet here I am. Appreciate that you can take a topic I'd normally avoid and make it interesting.