The Lore-breaking Super Star Destroyer which shouldn't exist...
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Today we take a look at the Sovereign, a Super Star Destroyer that was used by Warlord Zsinj... or was it? We'll cover that and more on today's Star Wars legends lore video!
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Zsinj : "Credits? Beskars? Krayt dragon's pearl? Its yours my friend. As long as you have enough imperial credits.
Oh my god, I freaking KNEW Zsinj looked familiar. 😂
Clearly, Zsinj got his star destroyer from the same place the Second Sister got a TIE Interceptor only 5 years after Order 66.
Consider the TIE Advanced and TIE Defender were also around as prototypes at that time.
@@karlrovey 100%
Zsinj to his enemies: "You're insistin' on an Iron Fistin'."
Han Solo: "Kiss my Wookie!"
random Imperial Officer: "That one must have *Zsinjed* some eyebrows."
Marne is Calgar and the Imperial Fists Space Marines: “Watch your mouth Filthy Xenos”
Zsinj looks like a French chef in an Imperial Officer's uniform.
Moff Boyardee
Let's see here
Arrogant
Proud
Far less capable than his adversaries
Constantly underestimates his opponent
Despite all that, still manages occasional feats of pure tactical genius
Yep he's french
Reminds me of aged Napoleon when in exile
@@hunterkiller1440 His first exile on Elba, not his second one of Saint Helena
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Nah, Napoleon looked waaay better and was much more competent
Been a while since I heard about Warlord Zsinj. In my opinion, he, his Remnant faction, and the Pentastar Alignment would make great villains in Rangers of the New Republic along with Thrawn.
In my opinion I would like for the Rangers of the Republic series to also see bounty hunters fighting the new republic. for example imagine Durge being one of the series' antagonists working for the imperials?
@@Obiwan7100 Ooooh, I like that!
Ardus Kaine, Zsinji and Natasi daala >>>>>>>> Pryde, hux, and slaone
@@theblade1251 Eh, I think the latter three are really good characters in their own rights.
They are far more interesting than the F. O.
Eckharts when something breaks the lore:
YOU HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF TREASON,AGAINST THE REPUBLIC
This kind of information makes me wish to watch Zengaku or Romance of Three Kingdoms in space.
If you’re actually looking for something like that, while I haven’t heard of Zengaku and haven’t read/watched Romance of the Three Kingdoms, I’ve heard people compare Legend of the Galactic Heroes(my pfp) to Romance of the Three Kingdoms before.
Just passing by the comment section and saw this, that’s one badass pfp of the Thunder Rangers
Definitely check out Legends of the Galactic Heroes, seems like it’d be up your alley
Han Solo: "Kiss my Wookie!"
Chewbacca: *Confused Wookie noises*
Kiss him
Broke "This is Poe Dameron of the Resistance fleet with an urgent message for General Hugs, is General Hugs here?"
Woke: "Calling Warlord Zsinj, urgent message for Warlord Zsinj--Kiss my Wookie!"
7:20 "kiss my wookie" That's a phrase that makes my cheeks hurt.
I love the idea of the Eclipse class Star Destroyer. Massive investment of time and resources to create, so having one or at most a few actually means something.
A planet killing super laser shouldn’t be possible on an average Star Destroyer. Having dozens of them undermines their importance and the importance of the Death Stars.
Imagine if someone was so stupid as to think it’d be possible to have thousands of them or not realize how that would render the OT pointless. Or that a ship could have a Super Laser but not basic shields and navigation(even primitive Earthlings have been able to determine altitude and up and down for decades) or be able to tilt 5°. Imagine someone so moronic as to write that kind of nonsense into a fan fiction. Imagine… oh, wait…
Relatable
You speak the truth. We can’t go back in time and save the series from JJ and his clan of clowns. It still hurts me knowing that they whiffed on a slow pitch. Your comment would get buried by salty ST fanboy downvotes on Reddit lol
@Asier Etxeberria Irastorza because it's exactly that. Legends. Not fucking Canon. Not the official fucking story. Everything in legends is just Fan fiction. The official Canon shouldn't be terrible fan fiction. Yes, legends had some ultra stupid stuff. But it's just part of what some author thought would make a nice little addition to the universe for those who want to read their book. The sequel trilogy is like that. But full on movies with massive budgets that are the official story. The official story should be a shining example. Not something that's on the same level as the crap some drunk bastard writes in his basement flat because his mom forgot to turn off the internet.
@@adenkyramud5005 you speak the truth. That Asier Etxeberria Irastorza guy makes no sense. I just don't understand how anyone can defend the garbage that is the ST. Even under a tight schedule they had no excuse for it to be as bad as it was. Those movies were all subpar and the fans did not deserve that at all. Like you said earlier, legends can be shitty, because there's really nothing behind it, but the canon stuff has no excuse because it is backed by money and lots of smart and talented people.
I know if you dig deep enough you find it, but I've always been relieved that Star Wars legends generally stayed away from Time Travel.
Canon arguably "flirts" with time travel more, or at least, bringing in concepts that could be manipulated as time travel. That like, weird Force-Realm that saved Ahsoka in Rebels is one.
...does Rey/Kylo's force link transmit matter instantaneously across any distance? Because that's a door that once opened is REALLY hard to close.
its not hard to close at all. Just dont give anyone else a force link. One of them is dead now, so as long as nobody else gets a link like that the door is firmly shut.
Their force link was forced by Palpatine via Snoke so they could easily say it takes an extremely powerful force user to perform. As for the gateway, well its clearly a Celestial Temple or something similar which could be an extremely powerful well for the force, which explains why Palpatine was so interested in it, but it was destroyed after its only known use. There, door closed.
I think time travel is a thing that is either best left out entireley to avoid the thousand and one ways it can mess up a good story, or you base the entire story around it alla "Doctor Who"
World Between Worlds is the only canon form of time travel (though it's arguable that WBW is more of inter dimensional travel outside of space time). The time travel article on Wookieepedia has a bunch of examples of time travel within Legends.
@@JakeStaffin Yes, but the time travel in legends is generally in much more niche circumstances (mostly comics), while the World between Worlds is more of a major plot point in a major animated show.
I completely forgot that Legends featured a Han Solo clone: General Henn "Kiss my Wookie" Solo
I wonder if Chewbacca's clone is named Cheebacca
If you go with the name conventions for clones in the Thrawn trilogy, he should have been named Haan Solo, Like Luuke and Joruus....
So Shev Palpatine should been named Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve Palpatine, because he's got cloned so many times in and before Dark Empire 🤣
@@atariduckman I was thinking the same thing at first, but maybe that's just for evil Force-wielding clones? So I think you're right on the money with Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve, whereas Henn is merely a scoundrel cloned from a guy whom's name the narrator doesn't know how to pronounce correctly.
Yeah, i think in the "Jedi Academy trilogy" there was one "Padavan", that was from a race of cloners and he was the 81st clone of a person, and he had a normal name with a number on the end. Dorsk 81 was his name.
So, you might be right, that only Jedi and Sith clones get an extra letter in their name. Or it could be just spaarti clones who get an extra letter.
Still confusing with all this cloning.
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Not quite the first edition, think that's the original hardcover, but I've got the soft cover version of it printed 1995, and it doesn't call it the Sovereign.
The usual notes in the front 'nothing was changed ' and such. In that print it was only called the Iron Fist.
I have a UK 2nd print 1995, the text is quite different the ships present are "hundreds of Imperial Star Destroyers and Hapan Battle Dragons", the ship Han hails is the Iron Fist after Luke points it out as the flagship and says Tsinj is onboard. There is no ship present called the Sovereign and no super star destroyers (a couple of other star destroyers coming in to support are described as identical to the Iron Fist). However on page 100 they see a fleet docked at a 10km long space station above Dathomir (sounds like a drydock from the description) which is described as one unnamed SSD, several dozen 'Old Victory class Star Destroyers', a few frigates and a lot of cargo containers.
I have a first edition hardback.
pg 85, one SSD, dozens VSD’s
at an Imperial shipyard.
pg 315: Zsinj is aboard the ‘Iron Fist’ as Han says “Kiss my Wookie”. His fleet surrenders on the following page.
No mention of a ship named ‘Sovereign’.
They probably changed it due to translational issues for later editions, but it’s seems weird that only that book got the treatment.
Two retcon takes:
1 - since it just states that it was a star destroyer generically, and since ‘Sovereign’ isn’t an uncommon name for a naval warship. Then this does not mean that this ship must have been a SSD. It could just as easily have been one of the dozen or so VSD’s that he had stationed in system.
2 - since Zsinj is known to have renamed ships before, for instance the SSD ‘Iron Fist’ was originally named the ‘Brawl’, and Zsinj had recently faced a number of defeats prior to retreating to Dathamir, then perhaps he decided to rename his SSD to the ‘Sovereign’ as part of a plan to rebrand himself and such.
From the book's descriptions, I'd assumed it was just a bigger-than-normal Star Destroyer, as the Dark Horse comic's Dark Empire series later revealed as an Allegiance Class Super Star Destroyer, which I'm pretty sure would have been around for Zsinj to have used.
@@watcherzero5256, I see your confusion. I also had the same question long ago when I first read Courtship (my first Star Wars book). Then I stumbled upon Aaron Allston's website in a FAQ about Star Wars page. The author rationalised the book's descriptions, saying that the term used in the book 'Imperial Star Destroyer' is probably referring to the culture/origin of the ship. Imperial Star Destroyers are of imperial design and from the Imperial Era. That makes me think that the 'Old Victory-class Star Destroyers' are from the Clone Era of sorts. I'd like to point out that the Super Star Destroyers at the time were classified as 'Super-class Star Destroyer' simply because no one thought there was a class of ship bigger than a Star Destroyer, which meant everything else could be a Star Cruiser or below. VSDs were designed and primarily manufactured during the Old Republic Era (as it was called back then to refer to everything that came before the Empire), whilst Imperial Star Destroyers were recognised as the most modern and powerful types of capital ships in the galaxy which includes Imperial-class Star Destroyers and Super-class Star Destroyers.
This is why the EU was a mess but a fascinating mess.
It's why despite the good eu had its also good that it isn't canon anymore.
They took every little tiny thing from the movies and assumed it was something more.
Thrawn trilogy.for example claimed that if a "dark jedi" dies they explode which shouldn't be a thing.
@@usrevenge Only in the case of powerful force users, not in general. Which is in line with RotJ and Palpatine's death.
@@usrevenge It'd be good it wasn't canon anymore if the New Canon wasn't so crap at doing the exact same thing except managing to be a mess earlier on while being much less interesting about it. *Cough* Return of Palpatine *Cough*
As if the Disney slop is logical in any regard
I own the first edition of the audio book on audio cassette. And i can confirm that Zsinj's SSD was called Sovereign. Not so sure about the book, since I've read it in german, back when it was released. And in german, most ships and planets got their names changed when they translated the books, which is very confusing when looking it up in english.
That’s interesting. In the 1st Ed hardcover in English, it’s the ‘Iron Fist’. And I bought that book when I was in Germany in 94.
I wonder what their reasoning for the change was?
In the german version of the books and even the movies they changed stuff like "Victory Class" into "Sieges Klasse" (sieg is victory in german), Kessel to Kossal (Kessel in german means pot/kettle) and they have changed Emperor into Kaiser. But bad translations is a big problem in germany. Goes back to the 1950s and is still going on for some books, tv shows and movies.
@@atariduckman I’m just wondering if the Iron Fist = Sovereign change made it into any of the other publications dealing with Zsinj? I had some buddies get into the X-Wing /Rogue Squadron books back then, but I didn’t for years.
Not to my knowledge. I think, it was just an oversight when making the audiobook. Maybe Lucas Films changed it last minute because of Dark Empire.
Also in the audiobook, there is the weird problem, that it was narrated by a man and he did all the voices. Mon Mothma and Garm Bel Iblis had (nearly) the same voice. Was confusing most of the time...
Kriegsherr Zsinj mit seinem Kommandoschiff Eisenfaust.
Krieg der Sterne
Tarkin: Ich habe soeben die Nachricht erhalten, dass der Kaiser diesen Rat aufgelöst hat, für immer. :D
Unmöglich! Wie will der Kaiser ohne den bürokratischen Apparat die Kontrolle behalten?
Has Eckh ever covered what would have happened if Palpatine had taken Thrawn's advice to have more ships instead of superweapons and all of the other crap he did?
Imgaine how much hate Disney would have got if they made a ship like this.
Disney literally made a Mega-SSD and Star Destroyers with planet-killing capabilities. Disney somehow beat Legends in how ridiculous it could get within a few years.
I still like to personally like to believe that such a ship, in as much of an incompleted state as the Executor in “Force Unleashed, The”. The specifics doesn’t need to be much, just enough to survive, not focused on winning, rather more focused on not losing & such…
This inconsistency seems due to a translational choice that somehow crossed over to subsequent English reprints of this book.
As I’m aware of, there is no other passage in this book or any of the other stories that Zsinj either appears in or where he mentioned does he have a star destroyer (of any class) by the name of ‘Sovereign’. And this passage in earlier editions of this book have the ship named as the ‘Iron Fist’.
Zsinj commanded two ships by that name;
1 - a Victory class, that was his original command posting.
2 - an Executor class super star destroyer originally christened as the ‘Brawl’, which he renamed to the ‘Iron Fist’ in honor of his former ship after his promotion to fleet admiral. And that is that the ship that is cited as going down in the Dathomir system with Zsinj.
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"Kiss my Wookiee." Is now my favorite Star Wars line
If I remember correctly Admiral Daala got hold of one. I think it was in one of the books after she killed all the Moffs and did a assessment of all Imperial assets. A Moff was tasked to build one by the returned Emperor before is final death.
I miss Zsinj so much, that Era of Star Wars Novels was the Era I really got into the EU. Hopefully he can make some comeback of some kind in the future.
Huh... I never heard of Zsinj before this... Fascinating.
I think this sort of confusion has happened in Star Trek too -- there's a Sovereign class, and I believe there's a USS Sovereign of a different class that's from before the Sovereign class came around
Multiple times in star trek: there were two ships named Grissom, two named Defiant, two named Valiant, two named Hood, two named Potemkin, multiple ships named intrepid, several ships and a Starbase called Yorktown, and of course several named Enterprise (for good reason). There are others out there that I can't think of right now, but the point has been made. It can get confusing.
For Zsinj, read the second set of the X-Wing Series before reading Courtship of Princess Leia...it gives a lot more to the book. Those three end right before Courtship begins
@@christopherflowers6583 Yes, and now that we finally have some Famous Vessels from UFP founding cultures besides Anglo-American Earth, we've seen a few reuses of Kumari (Andorian) and T'Plana-Hath (Vulcan) as well.
@@ryanhawe8234 and Surak
Clearly, Zsinj got the Sovereign-SSD because he grew thicc with strength which allowed him to warp time and space.
A fellow destiny enjoyer I see.
@@B1ackout850 Well, he certainly needs it too. After all, he did stumble into a war with the Cabal on Mars.
He's thicc enough to create his own interdicction field and then more
Who needs a death star when you got a mega thicc boi like Zsinj?
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I like to imagine an imperial officer walks up to Zsinj and explains to him that some of the records on the Iron Fist had been corrupted and the name was now the Sovereign which was listed as a sovereign class super star destroyer.
And Zsinj is like "I sure hope that doesn't cause any confusion for the time being. I'll make sure the records are fixed after this battle." and then he died.
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"Kiss my Wookiee" is the greatest line in both canon and legends. If you say otherwise, the Emperors of both legends and canon with deploy the Inquisitors to arrest you!
He will also call the Warhammer Inquisition for extra wookie kissing
You know things are about to get real funky when time travels gets mentioned
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I think I remember reading that and my headcanon was that Iron Fist was being repaired so Zinji at the time was on another Star Destroyer not a even a Super class just a normal Imperial class and its name was the Sovereign and that is where Zinji was commanding the battle from since Iron Fist was unusable being in dock and repaired.
I have a 2nd Print. The ship Tsinj is on is the Iron Fist and its a normal Imperial Star Destroyer, there are no SSD's present and no ship called Sovereign. However on page 100 they see a fleet docked at a 10km space station above Dathomir (sounds like a drydock from the description) which is described as one unnamed SSD, several dozen 'Old Victory class Star Destroyers', a few frigates and a lot of cargo containers.
Was really hope that they mentioned time travel for the ship than a possible a editing and publishing error
I have many first-run hardback copies of Legends books and I can tell you that ship was always the Iron First in print. Maybe the audiobook was from an earlier draft as you said, or maybe some editor screwed up.
The only SSD's I know of that Zsinj had were the 'Iron Fist' and the (nearly completed) 'Razor's Kiss', both were EXECUTOR class super star destroyers! From what you said I'd guess it was just a mistake on class or name of ship?
Since The Courtship of Princess Leia (where Zinj first appeared and died) is set two years before Dark Empire, I doubt that Dave Wolverton (Courtship author) looked at the Dark Empire material at all. Wouldn't have made any sense.
Zsin was introduced as a Grand Admiral in the Tie Fighter game who went rouge, This is also the first time the Tie Advanced, now called Avenger, The Tie Defender and the Missile boat are introduced. July 17, 1994. The Courtship of Princess Leia was also released that year.
Wasn't that Zaarin?
@@Neawoulf You may be correct, It has been along time since I last had a computer that could play it.
I just dug up my paper-back copy of the book.
Bantam paper back edition May 1995.
There is no mention of the ship your talking about. And in the scene you played from the audio book. It says Zsinj is on a ship called the Iron Fist. Though it indicates this ship appears to be an Imperial 2 Star Destroyer. Han takes out the bridge with a pair of concussion missiles. Then it gets hit with an ion cannon and then a hail of proton torpedoes.
Not exactly how you'd expect an SSD to be taken out out of the battle so quickly.
Then again the Executor did get whacked by a ramming attack so it is possible.
I'm gonna go ahead and say "Nth Degree Warp Fuckery" even though the Wrap has nothing to do with this time traveling ship.
Keep up the good work Ecks!
Outro will always be worth watching.
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What was the background video of the TIE Interceptor battling? It looks well done if it’s fan made! It was towards the end of the video
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So, the clip with the imperial interceptor... where's that from? Been wondering for a long while now.
Where is that footage from of the Moncal ship and the SSD?
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page 1 of my third edition says "It had been so long since Han had last seen Leia: five months, five months hunting the warlord Zsinj's Super Start Destroyer, Iron Fist. Five months ago, the New Republic had seemed so secure, so in control. Maybe now, with the Iron Fist gone, warlord Zsinj would be crippled..."
Two pages before (359) the "Kiss my Wookie" line, Han and Luke are talking about the three star destroyers in space above Dathomir. They are referring to a standard star destroyer as the Iron Fist.
Sounds like this is mostly a continuity error.
What's the video that's playing as a background from?
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I have a first edition of the paperback and is seems to be a bit confusing since he is is the Iron fist and then all of a sudden jumps to the Sovran. I think the ship may have bin originally named the Sovran and then renamed in editing and one place it was missed?
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I remember getting the encyclopedia for my birthday when I was 8 or 9
The guy responsible for that entry took a short cut and listened to the audio book
I recall many years back, the "Emperor's Hammer" online club used the Sovereign. I used to be a squadron leader.
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Ecks Have A One Question, IDK if you’re reading this in Canadian time but, Can young clones be affected by their inhibitor chips?
It's been almost two decades since I last read Courtship, but I vaguely remember Zsinj being on board an older ISD in that final battle. I don't remember the reason why, but I think that Iron Fist was out of commission.
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The most likely explanation would be it wasn't a Sovereign class but a ship named Sovereign
yeah, it's boring, but likely true, since Sovereign isn't the super unique Names like Invincible which had some different entries in Star Wars
And also got one in Mass Effect and as the Type Ship for the Enterprise E
@@enisra_bowman And think about this, with the number of planets, of planetary systems, of independent systems... With royal yachts, and escorts...
Wanna bet, there was more then one ship NAMED the Sovereign at the same time, from freighters, to flag ships. There may for example, have been an ISD Sovereign, a Planetary defense dreadnaught named the Sovereign, and even a Mon Cal ship... at the same time, with the same name... and any of those could have been captured and repurposed
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And thus the typo created a worm hole to an alternate universe. I have a first edition of this book. I'm going to check it. Haven't read it in years.
Dark Empire kinda breaks canon anyway when Luke talks about the clone wars while he’s in that prison ship
Okay, I see how they got this mixed up
Zsinj just chose the control ending and took over a Reaper. Mystery solved.
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Pg 315 of the 1st ed hardcover.
Zsinj is on the ‘Iron Fist’. The fleet surrenders on the following page.
Pg 85, Zsinj has one SSD and dozens of VSD and escort frigates. We can presume that ‘Iron Fist’ was the SSD.
Why they felt the need to change that to the ‘Sovereign’ in a later edition is beyond me.
Many of the entries in that official encyclopaedia were taken from The Completely Unofficial Encyclopaedia (CUSWE), created by Bob Vitas. This included making “official” quite a few mistakes in the CUSWE. I suspect this entry comes from there too
Zsinj is such an a hole in Thrawn’s Revenge
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I have a paperback copy from 20 years ago. It was Iron Fist at that time. One of the 4 Executor class SSD's under the name "Executor".
I have a 2nd Print. The ship Tsinj is on is the Iron Fist and its a normal Imperial Star Destroyer, there are no SSD's present and no ship called Sovereign.
Doesn't Zsinj also die in the X-Wing series due to the efforts of Wraith Squadron? I know they had some overlap with a few of the EU books. Thrawn's death appears in two different series. Is this another overlap instance?
Wait. Didn't you already do this once before? (And Corey twice?) Is this a time travelling video or just the Mandella Effect?
I've owned a first edition of Courtship... I'd have to dig through the collection to see if I could find it. As long as my parents didn't donate the book over the years, it should still be in the ole library. I might come back to this video if I get a chance to look for it/find it and gloss it over to confirm that theory.
I have a 2nd Print. The ship Tsinj is on is the Iron Fist and its a normal Imperial Star Destroyer, there are no SSD's present and no ship called Sovereign. However on page 100 they see a fleet docked at a 10km space station above Dathomir (sounds like a drydock from the description) which is described as one unnamed SSD, several dozen 'Old Victory class Star Destroyers', a few frigates and a lot of cargo containers.
@@watcherzero5256 Saved me some trouble for sure. Now that you mention it, Iron Fist sounds right.
It's possible that the Sovereign was lent to Zsinj for a shakedown cruise with a tech crew crew on board to see if the rest of the class needed upgrades
Having read the book in paper, I never knew about this.
Got ya beet Eck! For listening time I have 2 1/2 months.
i cna confirm that the book does indeed say zsinj was on the bridge of his ship the sovereign, i looked over my star wars book collection and i have a first edition courtship, and the lines does indeed exist in the novel
A have an idea. Was the Axial Superlaser described as being functional? If not then I put it that This was a downgraded Sovereign constructed from the partially completed hull. The second option is that it was not the Original but just recycling the name to give Warlord Zing a bit more ligitimacy? Sovereign after all literally means independent state, so could refer to that idea.
I'm up to 15 months 14 days on Audible, Thanks to Star Wars, Brandon Sanderson, and many many other very good books and authors.
Whenever I watch a Star Wars video from you I start thinking about my collection of Expanded Novel universe books.
Funny really, a desire to read the universe again. The entire universe including the prequel books to the prequel films which explain why Supreme Chancellor Valorum got in trouble with corruption charges, and what happened to that Neimoidian that Sidious tells to fuck off (basically, the stunted slime comment) at the start of Phantom Menace.
With all these things going on, it would be a pleasure to read the Warlord Zsinj again, though I always thought it was a shame that Dave Wolverton decided to kill the Warlord the way he did.
I also have a desire to own a Corgi. Though that has been around since The Rad Brad got his dog.
I'm a simple man. I saw the moustache so i'm here.