Chaos Theory: Mimic, Burntrap, and Glitchtrap are all independent wills and identities with their own goals. Mimic trying to just replace whoever it sees as the most influential, Burntrap being the remains of Afton's agony trying to reclaim life again and possibly the soul of Afton, Glitchtrap being created by the cognitive pattern of afton who now wants to move on to just playing god because he now has his immortality and wants control of everything?
@@Lustfullynova Because the story is actually several animateonic parts in a trench coat selling fake CDs by the dollar store Nobody knows what's happening because it's more fun to yank random puzzle pieces out of different boxes to construct our own personal narratives
Kind of off topic in a way, let me ramble lol, I knew the Glitchtrap part was coming, and I’m glad you and ID have covered it. You have found things that I didn’t even think about before, There’s just SO MANY direct, or extremely hinted at things of William Afton being Glitchtrap himself, like how Springtrap in AR says voice lines from UCN, or how his memories are personal things from the past like 1983 password, and.. his voice. Yes the voice can easily be just “mimic mimicking Aftons voice” which yes it could be, but think about it.. The mimic takes already used, chopped up voice lines and jumbles the, together to create lines, like how he’s Grimic in RUIN. Alsways on my channel I portray Afton as Glitchtrap. These voice lines are just ones already being used from Security Breach. Glitchtrap has been known to be a lot more mysterious and menacing, like in the trailer when he’s speaking to Vanny, these voice lines aren’t choppy, they’re slow, deranged, and fits Afton a little to well. Also, Fourth Closet has many many references to Security Breach, and don’t even get me started with the huge reference to William and Vanessa dynamic in the movie. I could go on and on about how Afton just personally for me fits way better than a stuck-in-the-basement Endoskeleton that mindlessly wanders around killing people for absolutely no reason.
I know this isn’t hot takes but i got a pretty good one (i hope lol). I thought of this when you mentioned the jump sound effects. I truly believe the original security breach had you playing as vanessa. No reason any npc has that many sound effects, unless she’s gonna be jumping near ya a lot(?). I feel the original plot would’ve been similar to *spoilers* bioshock’s twist ending where in the end you were following an unknown villian (probably aftonboi, although you could say “the mimic” but i don’t think he was conceived until post security breach). I feel this would have been much more interesting than what we got, but they couldn’t even give vanny her knife in the real game so who knows what the esrb would do if you were accidentally helping the idea of a child murderer
I am curious, what is your thoughts on Old man Consequences? I know he isn't mention much, but after help wanted 2, we know he played a part in princess quest and helping Cassidy.
what are your thoughts on stichlinegames and talesgames? As someone who has read all the books, honestly there are a bunch of read flags that just doesn't make sense for them to be in the games timeline tbh. But everyone yells they are in the games continuity from the roof tops so who am I to say anything lol.
If I had a nickel for everytime a hippo animatronic shared a lore relevent line with other animatronics id have 2 nickels which isnt alot but its weird its happened twice
"And this ladies and gentlemen is why fnaf lore feels like a fever dream. Welcome to fazbear hell population 666 and they're all spawn of afton" is quite litterally the best way to describe fnaf lore. I tried thorising and couldn't take it. It's so confusing and we don't really get anything confirmed half the things we think we know could ALL be wrong in some way and its painful. It'll drive you insane. Look at what poor matpat went through. (Also that line was hilarious and so true to todays current lore since security breach"
(11:13) CharlieDroid no.4: So, what makes you so special? CharlieDroid no.3: I’m the main character. CharlieDroid no.4: What? CharlieDroid no.3: I’m the main character! CharlieDroid no.4: Wha? What are you even saying? CharlieDroid no.3: I’M THE MAIN CHARACTER!!! CharlieDroid no.4: You’re not even explaining it, I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Either you explain or zip it you not so special Android. CharlieDroid no.3: Ouch :(
A lot of speculation being that the father of Cassie is supposed to be the Bonnie masked individual in the bite of 83 minigame which could make sense so I was very interested to see what you had to say cause this line came out of no where and having 3 characters say it is so strange. It is just like fnaf to have such a line make the fanbase go in shambles trying to figure out what it means lol.
Yeah, I was really hoping she'd talk about that. But, her going really hard on the other connections (especially to Circus Baby) was fascinating. Never knew about half of these. Good stuff.
Don't forget that in Princess Quest 4, there's an Easter egg that if you light the graves in a specific order, an area is revealed with a chest. Inside the chest is a worn-down Bonnie mask.
For me personally the lore has left the original idea of ghost kids forced to poses cold machines in an effort to one day catch their evil killer so far behind, that now days the only lore I need focuses on is dumb main characters like book Carlton and movie mike doing dumb things and somehow surviving and winning. X)
Probably because the newer theories are more of a nothing burger, none of them are interesting in the slightest, you can tell that very easily by how much talk about the older games take up a theory video, the only thing you can make with the new lore is just guesses of what's gonna happen next and then how much the "new story" rewrites the old lore.
You would benefit from some punctuation ngl. Edit: That sounds rude sorry, I just genuinely struggled to read your comment due to the lack of punctuation lmao.
@@bellslimes I blame 'em for it, instead of just making a normal reboot like everyone else does they're trying to slowly rewrite the history of fnaf as slow as they can.
Legit fascinated by this - I can totally imagine there being a plan to have Eleanor cross from the books to the games, and for her to be Vanny. I've seen other theories involving the visual effects that we see when she's around that could imply the illusion disc... but then, because nothing really comes of it, it seems kinda pointless. But if the idea was that she was actually going to be Eleanor, it'd kinda make sense. Obviously the big problem here is that connecting a game that felt like a soft reboot of the franchise to a bunch of books most people won't have read is going to be confusing for most people, so if this was the idea, I think ditching it was definitely the right call.
Based on the stuff with Bonnie and Glitchtrap you pointed out: What if Glitchtrap first took over Bonnie as Burntrap 1.0, but ended up getting caught doing something shady by Monty, a struggle ensued leading to Bonnie’s demise. Vanny covers it up because she needs to keep the whole Glitchtrap thing on the DL, especially if the all staff meeting hasn’t occurred yet. This would allow for the Monty redemption some people are looking for without an elaborate frame job that just gets covered up anyway. Instead it was self defense, but they still need to cover it up. Monty’s moodiness is then a kind of guilt for benefitting from an accident he wish never happened.
I like this a lot! I think it gives both Bonnie and Monty a lot of depth that they just… aren’t provided by the common fandom narrative. I do always like to note that the room Bonnie was found in included a static ball rack (meaning, the balls on the rack had to have been there since Bonnie was hidden, unless Vanny was in the room later and decided to add/remove bowling balls, for some reason) and one of the bowling balls was of Monty… using his glamrock design (including the glasses). Which, to me, implies that even if Monty killed Bonnie, he was already in the band at the time. Whether he’d replaced Bonnie or was just added as a fifth member is obviously unknown. I think that really kinda gets rid of his motivation if you look at it from the “cold blooded killer” angle, so I really like the idea that it was a mercy kill or to keep Glitchtrap from spreading!
That is exactly the thought I had looking at this storyline. Because if Bonnie was merely an innocent bystander and had no strings attached, then the staff could chalk up Bonnie getting broken as merely being an accident, and then he can get either fixed up or fitted a new endoskeleton. After all, all those endoskeletons have to have a purpose rather than just a gameplay obstacle. But the reason why they don’t do that, and have Monty replace him instead, could hint that Bonnie was indeed sinister. Whether Vanessa/ Vanny tried to hide the evidence, or the staff saw something themselves, it’s hard to say. Needless to say, every time Fazbear Entertainment removes a character from the public eye, it’s mostly down to either a fatal accident or being outwardly hostile to the public (see Fredbear and the Toys). Foxy from FNAF 1 is known for being tatty and broken, but he’s still kept around despite that. Mangle is in a far worse shape than any other animatronic, but because it doesn’t harm anyone (until the ending of FNAF 2), its kept around. It would also give more weight to both Vanny and Bonnie’s involvement in the story rather than just “obligatory bunny that only looks important but actually isn’t” Also, a more joking side note, it was Bonnie was wandering around by himself in the middle of the night and entering at Monty Golf at 4am, not Monty breaking into Bonnie Bowl to axe him off. Monty could probably see that as a home invasion in the early hours of the morning, as he doesn’t have a dressing room to live in.
Not believing Monty murdered Bonnie is easier when you think about when lore is to obvious it gets denied or ret-conned later The Bite of 87 was believed for so long then randomly its the bite of 83 now
@@buggman6086 yeah NOW it is, but there were countless memes and theories about the bite of 87 , it only got ret-conned to 83 later. I know im not loosing my mind because it was a big disruption in the Fandom when it was corrected later
@@ViktorErikFade no, it’s always was the bite of 83’. In FNAF 4, there’s a semi-rare ad for Fredbare & Friends and on the ad it shows “1983.” There just happened to be a chunk of the community that was unaware of this, but most theorists did know about this secret at the time.
only reason anyone thought it was 87 is cause markiplier didnt really follow the lore closely and got the two dates of the events mixed up in the classic "was that the bite of 87??" clip. so the answer to his question is no. it was not the bite of 87 (which kinda makes it funnier imo), it was the bite of 83. the bite of 87 was always the incident that the phone guy talks about when an employee on the day shift gets his frontal lobe bitten off by one of the animatronics (widely theorised to have been mangle iirc) and then survives.
@@Yote_Yammers in fairness I've heard that part of the game, Mat , and other youtubers forever say 87 until the whole 83 thing So I know for sure it at least isn't just me. We can all just agree that fnaf lore isn't even that concrete to begin with
15:17 To be honest, fnaf theorizing and most recent editions to fnaf lore in general feel like that. "But why did I have the bowl Scott?! Why did I have the bowl?!"
Hearing the who mimic mimics speculations is at this point making me fear the next game is gonna reveal that the glitch trap virus predates William and jus like, he was the first infected or smth. Just switcheroo who came first to go "Seeeee? Didn't expect this did you?"
I really hate the books cuz literally anything is possible in the books. Theres illusion disks and robots and fazgoo and remnant stuff and that means making theory of the games using the books almost impossible because any question can be explained by a random thing that a character does in the books.
They didn't Eleanor and The Mimic are not baby Daycare attendants were just theatre bots thanks to Bobbiedots. The connections she makes in this video is just her concealing evidence to show the false perspective.
@@SchoolNotes-n7x Elanor and Mimic are filling similar roles to baby, thus putting them into question as to wether or not they ARE the same character. Daycare Attendent is a bit of a stretch, but the line of "what makes you so special", the jeckle and hyde personality shift he shares with vanessa, and his actual conmections to Vannyin Help wanted 2 are solid enough. She's pointing out connections and saying how these complicate the story, because they are all over the place, yet are similar to the small clues we scrutinized in the classic era of fnaf to solve it's mysteries. Just a bit of thought. Edit:Also, concealing what evidence? What perspective? That Fnaf is a complicated spagetti mess of lore?
@@IronVigilante451 Eleanor in Frights fills a different role, if anything she is similiar to Shadow Freddy. The Mimic kills because its copying a killer and following the orders unintentionally. Baby does not fit both of thee characters. Because she didn't mention the part where Eleanor is made from the Missing Children's Agony or the fact that Mimic is indeed Glitchtrap (confirmed in HW2). She also pretty much didn't mention the part where "Eleanor" we see in Frights is just an outer shell, her real apperance is basically black goo tentacle monster Now let's see, do they both follow the Circus baby's story?
@@SchoolNotes-n7x Elanor mimics and kills like Mimic. Shadow Freddy doesnt do anything aside from lure kids. Baby and Elanor share similar orgins. Also, the tendrel thing could relate to Nightmarrione, which links to charlie, then to Fourth closet Baby. Baby's shtick in SL is her pretending to kill mike. This is all to say, that Baby and her variations are causing confusion, wether its in frights, silver eyes, or even the main games.
Listening to this while I play Street Fighter 6 (your voice is really soothing and that game stresses me out sometimes, haha), and I feel like Baby has some of the coolest lines in this entire series.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Game Baby: Giant clown that “just wants to talk” with you, instead of killing you Book Baby: literally feels like fnaf tried to make metal sonic !
Ok, this episode to me was the funniest thing you've made so far, aside from maybe the Smooching guide. Your writing is witty, you hit all the beats actually reading it all out, add a bit of improv here and there and it's just so great, I burst out laughing multiple times. Other than that, the theories themselves were also pretty great! I genuinely hope the connections are simply correlated to the writers making actual separate characters with their own traits instead of dumping every possible trait into Baby and calling it a day. I'd like Baby to just be herself like she's in Help Wanted 2 and others to be all those other things she got turned into. Overall amazing work ^w^
15:47 Completely unrelated to the actual video topic but this is something about Glam Bonnie that's bothered me ever since we first saw him: *WHERE ARE HIS CLAWS?* It's the ONE thing about his design that we were given before he was fully revealed and played a relatively large part in theories surrounding him and his deminse so why oh why does he just straight up not have claws in Ruin and HW2?? You can't even argue that they took Bonnies endo hands directly and put them onto Monty since he 1) clearly still has his endo skeleton underneath his hands and 2) even if, for SOME REASON, they replaced his endo hands with a different, equally broken pair just to put them onto a broken Bot, his exoskeleton aka shell would have holes at the tips of his fingers to let the claws through. Which he doesn't. So Steel Wool forgot the most important detail about Bonnies Design when actually making his model. Amazing Job, guys /s
10:53 the silver eyes and the novel trilogy is actually really important in the franchise to the point where the movie is more of an adaptation of that than the games Foxy arcade seen his copied from that book ELLA is in the movie tho she’s completely different from her counterpart. William spring lock is almost to one to one with the silver eyes minus the building, collapsing and golden. Freddy is not involved with it whatsoever. Spring Bonnie is in the movie he has the exact same powers only buffed as he can now control and manipulate the animatronics which is something he did have in the fourth closet but he has it right off the movie no molten MCI. Like he’s so connected to them that they’re able to talk to each other in dreams and snitch (in fact the whole reason they hurt the adults because he tells them to) Mike and Charlie have the exact same backstory kind of their younger brother is taken, though Mike is definitely not a robot here because Garrett 100% exist The building collapsing is like the twisted ones though it completely different context it collapses because pain was extremely powerful The really cool kids, drawing plot line is straight up copied from the fourth closet one to one (this is off-topic, but I really like the idea of William having control of the animatronics and them thinking their friends I think that’s an amazing rewrite decision love to see it implemented in like a Fnaf 1 remake or something)
@@captainet2457 Facts. Like, I totally get why some people hate the novels. I stopped in my tracks and audibly asked "What!?" in public when listening to the audiobook of The Twisted Ones, and Springtrap went "oof!" and let go after Charlie elbowed him. Parts are goofy, but they are and have always been very obviously important to the actual series.
@@captainet2457 As someone who just listened to them recently honestly I really liked them. The story is clear, they do a good job of keeping it open and shut and while I can see why the cliffhangers piss some people off, I just really enjoyed that each character was given time to develop. FNaF lore is in comparison unorganized, scattered across various and random timeframes, and all of the clues are vague and misleading. The foreshadowing in Silver Eyes is great IMO, and if you look at it as something entirely separate from the games and their canon it's a great narrative. I honestly really enjoyed most of the twists, and I think the aloofness adds to its charm and gives us a break from the dark and traumatic events. Obviously there were moments where characters made pretty huge logic leaps both smart and dumb, but the horror element was uniquely used and landed great IMO.
@@greyscaleadaven another Silver eyes trilogy fan? That’s rare considering that most people trash on the sequels. Honestly, TWO, TFC> TSE in my opinion. I agree that the story is clear of what it is saying and I personally like the cliffhangers. Although, I didn’t read TTO until last December plus, I spoiled myself which, ruined the cliffhanger thing. Regardless, I enjoy TFC ending and I prefer the characters in the sequel. Mostly, because it seems like they have more personality then the silver eyes plus, they had there own time to shine in TFC. Although, the sequels do have there fair share of flaws which make people hate it overall. Admittedly, I’m not fully bothered by those kind of flaws. Even though it’s different from the games, that ain’t stopping me from liking game characters and there book characters. (Charlie/Henry/William/Baby) I do enjoy the dark moments like the suicide bot, Henry going insane, Afton kidnapping kids and experimenting them, Charlie and Baby’s backstory, the Aftons and Emily’s death and Charlie getting springlocked twice in the same book. Overall, I love this trilogy
Most if not all of the problems in the fnaf lore are caused by theorizing lol. To a certain extent of course but the idea that there's always SOMETHING hidden in the shadows that has gone unnoticed to everyone and trying ever so desperately to use it to explain SOMETHING unsolved is what really drove the fnaf lore to break. I think it's more worth while to just... wait until Scott or Steel Wool drop some more information on the current lore rather than speculating purely for the sake of it lmao. Love your vids though! They're always insanely thought provoking which is surprisingly rare nowadays :)
People wanting to know every minor detail is what broke it, in my eyes, dream theory was the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because it started the beginning of the end, it quickly overshadowed any other theory at the time and people for some reason saw no other choice but to force Scott to give every detail about the story after that because of how vague fnaf 4 was, despite that being the point of the game, many failed to see it.
Now fnaf has been rebooted twice now, people still fail to see it, because everyone still tries to connect the first timeline with the second timeline and the third.
If I’m being really honest, I think we should’ve ignored the books as a whole when it came to character backgrounds, it just muddles things. Often I feel the FNAF community uses the books way too often for things that don’t always fit well, and it leads to confusion and discord when things don’t quite line up in the games, not to mention it perpetuated the idea that Scott is a horrible writer when he hasn’t personally written any of the books as far as I’m aware. So much of the current confusion could be dropped if we just mainly went off what happens in the games and just that, without trying to add in extra character info from the books, it would’ve kept the vibe of the games mysterious and allowed Scott and Steel Wool to drip feed character info when they wanted. Side note, I believe the Candy Cadet story about the woman growing up and facing the witch again is talking about Cassie’s dad. Jeremy once faced glitch trap before as stated in Help Wanted, (and if we go by the theory that he’s the Bonnie Bully, he’s had a history with the franchise as a whole since he was little.) then after the Help Wanted incident he comes back a few years later to fix things up and face the issues happening at the Pizzaplex personally, only for him to end up trapped by Glitch Trap once and for all. All the details fit perfectly aside from gender, which can be dismissed if this story is just a metaphor.
I think you touched on it lightly in this video. But security breach is unfortunately the worst entry that happened to the lore. because it got rushed, it generated a TON of the weird contradictions and issues that now plague the fanbase as a whole. To the point that they pushed a story patch in the form of ruin. Maybe if it wasn't rushed, things could have been more neatly telegraphed/explained, but alas!
“What makes you so special?” (Fnaf kings addition) Matpat: “THEE LOOOOOOOOOORE” Dawko: “one word, Buff… Helpy” Dawktrap: “and me” CG5: “songs” Random Encounters: “MUSICAL” Superhorrorbro and Twisted animatronic: “secrets” and Markiplier: “I AM THE KING OF FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDYS!!!!!!!”
I very much so think you should watch game theories' most recent FNAF theory, the first one without matt, it explains a lot of the things you're wondering about the mimic in a way that made a lot of sense to me, maybe it will to you too! Great video by the way.
I personally think if you make glitch trap and Burntrap the mimic then it makes the lore a lot worse afton becoming a digital entity could have been interesting. (I refuse to believe that burn trap and glitch trap are the mimic)
This has nothing to do with this video but I still feel like Sun/Moon's body class type still looks like an upgraded version of the Mimic's body class type. Super lanky and slender arms and legs. Similar teeth plates. And are all very flexible and/or can shape shift. The main difference between them is that Sun/Moon's head/face plate is more tablet-like hence why I say it's an upgrade. If it ever came down to the Sun/Moon being built in something's image, I wouldn't be surprised if they were built after the Mimic's body type. There's still a possibility of the Mimic also being from Circus Baby's Pizza World as well and the same goes for Sun/Moon. Who knows 🤷🏽♀️
What I think. 1. If the theory of us playing as Cassie’s dad is true perhaps the what makes you so special line could be indicating that were we their and responsible for starting the beginning of the fazbear horrors during the bite of 83, also if the theory of Cassie’s dad being Jeremy Fitzgerald is also true than he was most likely the victim of the bite of 87 in which he lost his frontal lobe but somehow survived, and if Jeremy was their during the beginning if he was friends with Michael than perhaps he knew Elizabeth and learned what happened to her, he may have also been a technician at circus baby’s entertainment and rental to try and investigate what was happening. 2. Also i was under the belief that Eleanor was just a haunted animatronic with the agony of Elizabeth afton. 3. I’m also under the belief that burntrap is just a mimic variant that glitchtrap uses as a physical host body, also if the books are canon to the games I believe that the body on burntrap is a young man named luca who dies in a springtrap costume with springlocks. 4. I also believe that William afton created glitchtrap by training it off of himself in case anything ever happens to him so their would technically be another version of himself around, then the circuit boards with the glitchtrap virus were found by fazbear entertainment llc and used for many things. 5. Im pretty sure Elizabeth is ginger haired. 6. If it were up to me what I would’ve done with Vanessa and vanny is instead of making them the same person directly I would have Vanny be a digital character (much like glitchtrap and MXES) and have her possess Vanessa’s body through her VANNI mask, that way they would be separate people despite sharing the same body, we would also have Vanessa as a ally and friend to Gregory while unaware that she’s possessed, also vanny would only be able to be in control for 1 hour a day and we still have to play the process quest games to save/free her, but the only way to permanently destroy her is to fully get rid of the glitchtrap virus and destroy her mask.
21:58 ok I like the delivery but moon isn’t a clown he’s a jester, but the game kinda makes him seem like a clown so eh let’s call it a draw. Now 18:10 uh her suit absolutely could get tighter I’ve seen edits where uhh certain places are bigger then others shall we say. Well I geuss that’s all. I got to say strange I got nothing to say on the theory but my nerdiness and personal interest in Vanny were the first thing in my mind
Clowns and jesters are sort of two veins of the same thing, being costumed entertainers but with a specific differences. In a way, modern day clowns are pretty much ancestors of classic jesters, if you really think about it. I've thought about it a lot. I went through a jester binge when I was writing a fantasy book and got way too much info that I never ended up using. XD
GOOD LORD I had trouble understanding everything, that is indeed quite the tangle of messes and repetitions. I mean, as you said, the writers are probably just reuising characters traits that Baby had beforehand, but at this point it just causes wayyy too many complications. For any other series it could've just be agreed upon as it being simply referencing, or lazy writing, but considering that Fnaf is all about finding lore in the details, of course people are going to try proving direct connections from obvious similarities. But great vid as always, stil! 20:06 Ngl some Fnaf Fashion Review would be kinda fun, now that I think about it
“what makes you so special?” (Afton siblings addition) Michael: “*sings* im a dead guy walking! im in your yard im a dead guy walkinggg” Evan: “ I…. i have many names given.. and i cry alot? oh im also one half of golden freddy” Elizabeth: “ICE CREAM. and DADDY issues!” Michael: “we all do”
I don't think that was its favorite outfit, but the one he was stuck inside of at the end of the books. In the books he seems more into the whole tiger thing. But I wouldn't be shocked if they went for that.
“what makes you so special?” Missing childrens version (sorry if too much) Cassidy: “REVENGE DUH” Gabriel, Susie, and Fritz: “WE LITERALLY DIED BY AFTON!!” Susie: “i was the first” Jeremy: *fists up* Charlie: “im in the books and games”
Nothing to do with this video exactly but have you seen the video by Dual Process Theory? Tt's titled "we solved fnaf and we're Not Kidding." and it's a great theory for FNaF 1 to UCN and it seems to solve the lore, or at least the original lore lol. There are some wild claims in the video but as you watch it starts to all make sense. It's my favorite theory to date and I've been watching theories since MatPat's first FNaF theory
What is Jeremy/Cassie Dad goes into Bonnie BEFORE security breach? Then the reason Bonnie had to get "gator attacked" was because Jeremy was trying to do something against afton?? Afton couldnt infect him like he could to the other animatronics
The why are you so so special in my opinion is just referred to how Cassie’s Dad assisted in the bite of 83 and is one of the longtime workers of Freddy’s He’s VR,Fnaf 2 Jeremy ,and also a circus baby technician
@@BraedonElgin he never actually cut his face off. That was just a misconception and Jeremy most likely didn’t catch the bite that was never confirmed even if he did he still survived
I feel like I havent seen any creativity come out of the fnaf story jn a long time. We keep dancing around the same events and plots, even if its supposed to help fill in the gaps in the main story its starting to feel stale. The same character under diffrent names, constant return to afton and his family/victims. I feel like the fnaf universe has so much potential for other stories and characters that arent even being considered. We can even look at the other characters involved in the main story like the first 5 victims or any later victims. They all have potential. I dont think it will ever happen but it would be interesting to explore the world of fnaf from a diffrent perspective and with a different focus rather than the killer
“A cop, but back in the 90’s…” What? The movie happens in 2000~. (At least March or later) Vanessa in the movie is also about 22~24(?) [The novelization of the movie says she’s “about” 5 years or so YOUNGER than Mike, and Mike is around 25 or 26.]
I haven't watched the video yet, but if you haven't seen them yet, I HIGHLY recommend you check out Dual Process Theory. They have an amazing "we solved fnaf" video and I genuinely think it recontextualizes our understanding of the lore that makes overall a lot of sense and I think it's a solid theory. Pretty much right off the bat they gave me similar vibes to your channel, I immediately was like "this feels like NotRealName NotAtAll" and I think it'd be cool to hear what you think about it!
14:17 No hate intended. But the Mimic is Glitch trap theory is that the chip that contained Afton's consciousness (Glitch Trap) is inserted into the Mimic by Vannessa (fully corrupted by Glitch Trap) and that behavior is like mega inserted into his programming. Other than that solid theory!
Honestly, I disagree. Which may seem rude, but lemme explain. I don't think Notrealname should be the next matpat, but be the first them, yknow? Their videos have a unique style, different energy, different format. I like variety
Speaking of lore, I wondered about you doing a discussion across each 8-bit sequence across the games, or at the very least, Princess Quest. Eleanor isn't Baby? I can get behind that. Really bugged me through Matpat's '21 Frights coverage where he just outright called her Baby. I'd say she's Frights' equivalent in its weird way, but not much more. I've seen that Fury's Rage silhouette debated to be Sexy Baby or Scrap Baby or maybe some other 3rd thing. While Stage 2 likely foreshadowed 6's Pizza Place under the megaplex, I don't know about this one... In addition to the mushrooms, I also saw the reddish lake compared to Old Man Consequences'. I'll call it a writing oopsie. I'm already getting baffled... What's weird is that Ruin has a totally different hallway before Bonnie Bowl's ice cream storage, rather Vanny's room shown afterwards. (Though what bugs me more is Gator Golf looking lowered down) I more lean on Elizabeth being orange while considering the graphic novel a slip-up (they made Cassidy brown instead of black). On top of that, Foxy bro looks like he has black hair during the Bite, but SL Mike's is brown like CC's. And eyes - Elizabeth's are green, SL Mike's look bluish, CC's was thought to be either of these before the Encyclopedia did brown (though I say it was pulled off of Gregory's model like the knee bandaid). Well, we didn't even have a Circus Baby in SL's office sequences (aside from Ennard). HW2 takes the names of the Puppet Master and Funtime Gang challenges, using the humanoids and Fazbear adjacent characters (plus Chica) leaving Baby with her own thing. I'm already stumped off that explanation. 666 + 87 ...or 83 GF, TOH and Bendy each have 618, 128 and 414, I'm not sure on a three digit number for fnaf... 26:19 Heh, I'm making a big chart like this consisting of 4 Afton's, both Emily's and the Missing 5. The SB column is bound to be a doozy.
CharlieDroid no.4: What makes you so special? CharlieDroid no.3: I did FIVE push-ups. CharlieDroid no.4: FIVE PUSH-UPS?!!! CharlieDroid no.3: Yep CharlieDroid no.4: Pff, I did SIX push-ups! CharlieDroid no.3: *insert her shock face*
14:30 So this is interesting! Glitchtrap came from hardware that Fazbear provided, and the Pizzaplex was built on top of the FNaF 6 location. You know: the location with a giant, amalgamated blob of melted hardware that Henry trapped in an oven. Which *included* Scraptrap, but also included Molten Freddy, Scrap Baby, and apparently the original animatronics too. ... So is *that* what got uploaded to become Glitchtrap? 15:55 and if the Blob includes the original animatronics (or even the Toy ones), then what got uploaded to Glitchtrap is that "shield face with arm" thing *from* Bonnie. That was a telltale coincidence proving everything from that pile became Glitchtrap, because it was an intentional part of Bonnie *and* Glamrock Bonnie. And I mention the Toys because I saw your video about Toy Bonnie and got sad :( Maybe he lives on in Glitchtrap after being uploaded from the Blob's burnt remains
tbh, with the reveal that circus baby's is ancient, with mimic being down next to carnival costumes.... it would actually MAKE SENSE that mimic is OLD CIRCUS BABY!!! or well, predecessor at least, may not be "baby" exactly....but it IS supposed to be wearing a "jester costume", and I don't think there's any more direct links than that, short of calling it the same thing, lol...I wouldn't be surprised if in the next game we found out that the old mimic was indeed the original "circus baby", which explains WHY the new baby has the mimic chip, and it explains WHY the new baby is SO GOOD AT MIMICKING, it's because she's based on THE mimic, it's also very likely that is the only reason "ennard" managed to squeeze into, and control micheael in the first place, because of the residual knowledge on how to wear different suits, since y'know...afterwards, "the blob" ends up as a big shapeless pile of junk, with the baby gone....
Charlie's character derailment in the books, the Puppet not being the Crying Child, Elizabeth's turn from the scheming, manipultive yet sympathetic villain she was in Sister Location to Daddy's Girl in Pizzeria Simulator...... Take your pick 🫠
I think an important note about the idea of Mimic learning 'Hide and Seek' from Pizza Party in Help Wanted, is that the SpringbonnieMan (as he's called in the files of the game) that appears in Pizza Party is NOT the Glitchtrap anomaly we have slowly been piecing together with the tapes throughout the rest of the game. The Spring Bonnie that appears in Pizza Party is an actual part of the game and that level. How do I know? Because he's completely whole and visible. At that point in the game when the player is going through Pizza Party, they haven't collected the last tape and Glitchtrap is not whole, hence why he still appears green and odd looking in the hub world, so how could he just magically appear normally in Pizza Party? He can't because that's not him, that's the character the anomaly is taking the form of/copying. I usually think of it this way, the Mimic1 program copied the behavior of the Spring Bonnie character that was meant to be as part of the game in Pizza Party, including its appearence. Thus, Glitchtrap was born. And because I know some people will say it, tape girl mentions she doesn't recognize Glitchtrap when she first sees him during the tapes, so then how could the "SpringbonnieMan" be an actual part of the game if tape girl didn't recognize Glitchtrap when she first encountered him. Well, for starters, Glitchtrap tends to appear in abnormal and glitchy ways majority of the time, and secondly, its because she hadn't gotten to Pizza Party yet, she wasn't that far into the game. She specifically mentions in the tape where she talks about her first encounter with Glitchtrap, she mentions he was looking into the window of the office and 'not like Chica or Bonnie would' meaning that she was only playing the FNAF 1 section when she first encountered him. Pizza Party is a weird mixture of everything in the game just as much as every other level is in the Nightmare mode of Help Wanted. Every level in Nightmare mode is meant to look creepy and abnormal, Pizza Party is no exception. Plus, the games credits and Handunit congratulates us on completing the Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experience only after we have completed Pizza Party, meaning that its meant to be part of the experience. Which makes sense, as its meant to dispel the biggest stain to Fazbear Entertainment's name, the murders of the missing children. I think there is something to be said, its that there is two different Mimics that are terrorizing the Pizzaplex in the books, the program/'virus' and the actually Mimic endo locked in the basement. I pretty sure its a similar situation with the games Mimic, hence why Helpi/Helptrap and Grimic have their little argument in Ruin and why the Mimic endo is around even after Glitchtrap has been squashed. But anyways, thats my two sense.
Theory: theres no intentional deep lore anymore, they just randomly do stuff and randomly tie it together and let us cook with no end in sight = still theories being made promoting the game in a decade
I’m glad I’m not the only one who finds FNAF, especially current FNAF practically impossible to follow. Like, Pre-Help Wanted fnaf can be confusing and obtuse at points, but after the fact it’s pretty straightforward once the digging has been done. Post HW-fnaf is just… an incomprehensible mess, and it didn’t really have to be. And so much of it is due to Security Breach’s cuts, then the writers trying to do something with the peices anyway regardless of the fact the connective tissue is gone. I also wonder what *are* they trying to do eith Vanny and/or Vannessa. There’s so many mixed signals from the movie, to the games to subtext in the games it’s so infuriating not being able to make heads or tails of her as a character or her relation to other characters. Especially since… and I know it’s incredibly popular as a fanfic concept, but where are the other aftons circa SB? We know they’re doing… something with Elizabeth, even if it’s a replacement, but what about michael and the CC (if they even are an Afton)? What are their roles being filled by? Is gregory the new Michael?
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I always personally thought that Glitchtrap in Pizza Party and Glitchtrap everywhere else are completely seperate. Glitchtrap in Pizza Party being a part of the game, the Springbonnie Stand-In in the FINAL PARODY that was Pizza Party. The real Glitchtrap (Who I'll call by his superior fan-name of Malhare from now-on) used that model and started doing the same movements. He started to replicate. He started to MIMIC. Yeah, you heard that right folks, Malhare IS Mimic. Pizza Party wasn't a mixed breed made by him, it's a mixed breed made by FazEnt. Hard Mode is supposed to be there. Pizza Party is supposed to be there. SPRINGBONNIE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. The final Joke. The final Parody. God damn that's a good theory name
Vanny crushing Glitchtrap, yet appearing to still exist sure implies that "Vanny" wasn't actually Glitchtrap possessing and controlling Vanessa like some thought. As such, it reminded me of an old, yet far-fetched theory for Vanny in Security Breach that I still think would be pretty cool if it was true. ...What if Vanessa's "Vanny" persona was actually Circus Baby?? (or at the very least, a rogue A.I. like Glitchtrap that was created from the in-universe Help Wanted 1 Devs using Circus Baby's coding for their VR Game.) It would explain Vanny's numerous similarities to Circus Baby, and be a clever way to bring Circus Baby back as a main villain. Like, imagine if in the Princess Quest ending of Security Breach, after freeing Vanessa from Vanny, instead of a quick and happy cutscene, we would have one more boss battle in which "Vanny" uploaded herself into a new body that resembles a Glamrock version of Circus Baby and now Gregory, Vanessa and whatever was left of Freddy had to deal with this new threat before they could escape. I know this all sounds Insane, but I'd loved if it were in the real game.
Gregory and that Helpi are one and the same in Ruin. They're both Glitchtrap, not The Mimic. Remember, when we free The Mimic it can't even fully say a perfect sentence in Gregory's voice. How could it be The Mimic? But we have already established that Glitchtrap can mimic voices perfectly. In SB Gregory frees Vanessa from Glitchtrap and traps it in the Megapizzaplex. In Ruin Glitchtrap gets Cassie to free it, then Cassie frees The Mimic. Glitchtrap then traps The Mimic and Cassie below the Megapizzaplex.
I'm just going to posit one thing that nobody seems to be talking about... *MXES is a smiling purple rabbit that controls animatronics and exists only in the digital space. He repeatedly places digital rabbit icons all over and looms over you, even when he could directly attack (send someone to get you) while generally acting creepy. He also is generally antagonistic towards the Mimic and Cassie and is stationed near the Burntrap arena.* I'm not saying Glitchtrap, the other purple digital rabbit, is MXES, and therefore a manifestation of Afton, I'm just saying that it's real odd how MXES has the exact same abilities, behaviors, color scheme, and rabbit motif as him, while Mimic doesn't have any whatsoever.
As much as i watch all these lore videos and im _trying_ to read _some_ of the books, tbh... Everything beyond the Michael plotline seems so foreign and i dont even pretend to understand it. Im here for Mikey-boy. I don't care about animatronics that act like magic due to remnant or agony, or animatronics made by different companies or _persons_ - both of those aspects is where the books honestly lost me. To me, the charm of FNAF resides in the Fazbear company, the science-obsessed killer who wants to reach immortality, and his wayward son who tries, and _succeeds_ (that's why i dont like glitchtrap or burntrap) to kill him and avenge + free the spirits, and also how Henry, Charlie, and the other Afton children fit into that. I'm _open_ to new characters and seeing them develop, but it feels like we're getting bogged down by lore element after lore element after... As much as I'm trying to read the books, i don't want to link them back to the fnaf game lore. I want to see them as completely separate entities, though maybe some here and there do further our understanding of certain characters (such as GGY, which is the third story I've started in general and which I am very much enjoying so far). It's all so complicated now, and I'd rather stay with the one plot I'm almost fully certain about and watch videos about the rest of things just for fun, without taking them into consideration for my interpretation of events. That might be ignorant from my part, or some other adjective i can't think of rn, but that's how i prefer to look at it. FNAF VR has always felt like a soft reset to me, so i treat it, and everything that came afterwards, as such. There's one FNAF timeline pre-VR, and there's another afterwards. I can enjoy and not fiddle with pre-VR lore while seeing from afar how the lore changes post-VR, while keeping them separate entities, yk? And that's how I think all those similarities you've pointed out should be seen. You herself said at the end that Baby's role probably just broke up into multiple characters now, and that's exactly how i prefer to see it: from a Meta POV. Some things _should_ be explored in a Watsonian way. Other things, things that could be plot-coincidences (such as intended parallels between characters that have no direct correlation with one another) are better left off explained from a Doylist perspective. Why does this character say the same thing as this other, unrelated, character? Because of what the phrase _means_ in the context of the story and what's being _accomplished_ with the repetition, not try to explain how those two characters came to interact. But that may just be me. I still really like lore videos and will continue to watch them, but i thought this relevant to the video's message.
hot take: fmaf 4 is not underrated and still sucks the old lore from fnaf 4 was unsolveble and so the new lore at least fix a little of this mess called """"""""""""""""""""""""""the final chapter""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" people hate dream theory but come on, how are we supposed solve fnaf 4 if the game is just made to be unsolveble, fnaf 4 feels totally disconnected from the first 3 games, the purple man just appears in 5 SECONDS OF SCREAM TIME nothing against scott but he needs to understand that solve something isnt defeat from a writter's pov, the nightmares are goofy and the fnaf 1 characters have more uncanny valley than those """"""""""""""""""""""""scary"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" monsters
I think "What makes you so special?" is moreso a thematic hint than like, a character-connector, but SO MUCH of the lore is predicated on outside knowledge of events. It gets murky when trying to think about why characters would commit to these actions in-universe. Am I insane, or did you keep using "perchance" when you meant "penchant"? I could have misheard you, so my apologies if I'm off-base. Also. I wanna like Vanessa/Vanny for herself, but they need to figure out what they're doing with her. I'm really intriguied by that "may have testified against her own mother" bit, 'cause that's a great starting point for some good character drama. As an aside, the Michael lore being easier to follow is a testament to how wonky this stuff is. No one does it like my guy and still comes out like a loser! ...Except nearly everyone in FNAF, I guess. Your off-hand Vanessa 2000 comment would also be really hilarious in terms of William being so neglectful that half of his kids die, and then he terrorizes the other two, one of which is a robot he's possessing, and the other is a human who gets possessed by robots. Can't have shit in the Afton House.
I love your videos soooo much!!! You have such an awesome voice!! :D :D
You're one of my favorite FNAF youtubers!
(Oh also, can I please be pinned?)
Same!
Pinned!
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Awesome!
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Your the best!!!! Thanks so much for pinning me! :D
He did it...
Chaos Theory: Mimic, Burntrap, and Glitchtrap are all independent wills and identities with their own goals. Mimic trying to just replace whoever it sees as the most influential, Burntrap being the remains of Afton's agony trying to reclaim life again and possibly the soul of Afton, Glitchtrap being created by the cognitive pattern of afton who now wants to move on to just playing god because he now has his immortality and wants control of everything?
This seems pretty cool
Okay but why does this sound much better than whatever is going on now 😭😭😭
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Because the story is actually several animateonic parts in a trench coat selling fake CDs by the dollar store
Nobody knows what's happening because it's more fun to yank random puzzle pieces out of different boxes to construct our own personal narratives
Honestly? This seems like one of the best theories I've seen
@@Squishy_the_fox 0 Evidence from me, just fanfiction-esque characterization expansion. But if true, nice.
"My sources are clean, so let's make this as messy as possible" is my new favorite quote and I am going to do my best to live by it
I think nobody talks about the fact that in HW2's ending Moon's eyes don't glow red. I wonder why 🤔
Kind of off topic in a way, let me ramble lol, I knew the Glitchtrap part was coming, and I’m glad you and ID have covered it. You have found things that I didn’t even think about before,
There’s just SO MANY direct, or extremely hinted at things of William Afton being Glitchtrap himself, like how Springtrap in AR says voice lines from UCN, or how his memories are personal things from the past like 1983 password, and.. his voice. Yes the voice can easily be just “mimic mimicking Aftons voice” which yes it could be, but think about it.. The mimic takes already used, chopped up voice lines and jumbles the, together to create lines, like how he’s Grimic in RUIN. Alsways on my channel I portray Afton as Glitchtrap. These voice lines are just ones already being used from Security Breach. Glitchtrap has been known to be a lot more mysterious and menacing, like in the trailer when he’s speaking to Vanny, these voice lines aren’t choppy, they’re slow, deranged, and fits Afton a little to well. Also, Fourth Closet has many many references to Security Breach, and don’t even get me started with the huge reference to William and Vanessa dynamic in the movie. I could go on and on about how Afton just personally for me fits way better than a stuck-in-the-basement Endoskeleton that mindlessly wanders around killing people for absolutely no reason.
The lore was broken loooong before fnaf 6
I know this isn’t hot takes but i got a pretty good one (i hope lol). I thought of this when you mentioned the jump sound effects. I truly believe the original security breach had you playing as vanessa. No reason any npc has that many sound effects, unless she’s gonna be jumping near ya a lot(?). I feel the original plot would’ve been similar to *spoilers* bioshock’s twist ending where in the end you were following an unknown villian (probably aftonboi, although you could say “the mimic” but i don’t think he was conceived until post security breach). I feel this would have been much more interesting than what we got, but they couldn’t even give vanny her knife in the real game so who knows what the esrb would do if you were accidentally helping the idea of a child murderer
I am curious, what is your thoughts on Old man Consequences? I know he isn't mention much, but after help wanted 2, we know he played a part in princess quest and helping Cassidy.
what are your thoughts on stichlinegames and talesgames? As someone who has read all the books, honestly there are a bunch of read flags that just doesn't make sense for them to be in the games timeline tbh. But everyone yells they are in the games continuity from the roof tops so who am I to say anything lol.
If I had a nickel for everytime a hippo animatronic shared a lore relevent line with other animatronics id have 2 nickels which isnt alot but its weird its happened twice
Doc doof I need this quote more often
No you don't @@LillieCornelius-fd8hc
mr. hippo had some lore relevant lines? i thought everything he said was fluff lol
@@deamonseadI’m not sure abt help wanted but his only lore line in ucn was “sometimes a story is just a story”
@Maddengod-bh8zzit’s from phineas and ferb
The Daycare Attendant took on the role of Fem Fatale and Tumblr SexyClown to free Circus Baby from its shackles, a truly selfless act.
Pretty sure vanny did that
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Daycare Attendant has my respect just for freeing Circus Baby.
"You're William Afton, he's William Afton, _I'm_ William Afton... Are there any other Aftons I should know about!?" ~ Vanessa, probably
vanessa and afton, afton, afton, afton, afton and afton
@@mzitz Vanessa and Will, Bill, William, Billiam, Willy, Billy, Liam, Mr. Afton and Michael and Evan, oh my
@@JDM-is-my-name so many aftons..
@@mzitz I even forgot Elizabeth, so add one more!
@@JDM-is-my-name dont forget purple guy, man behind the slaughter and the purple guy animatronic hoax
"And this ladies and gentlemen is why fnaf lore feels like a fever dream. Welcome to fazbear hell population 666 and they're all spawn of afton" is quite litterally the best way to describe fnaf lore. I tried thorising and couldn't take it. It's so confusing and we don't really get anything confirmed half the things we think we know could ALL be wrong in some way and its painful. It'll drive you insane. Look at what poor matpat went through. (Also that line was hilarious and so true to todays current lore since security breach"
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CharlieDroid no.4: So, what makes you so special?
CharlieDroid no.3: I’m the main character.
CharlieDroid no.4: What?
CharlieDroid no.3: I’m the main character!
CharlieDroid no.4: Wha? What are you even saying?
CharlieDroid no.3: I’M THE MAIN CHARACTER!!!
CharlieDroid no.4: You’re not even explaining it, I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Either you explain or zip it you not so special Android.
CharlieDroid no.3: Ouch :(
And she springlocked William.
I guess you can say that Charliebot3 broke the Fourthcharliebot wall
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Yee!
CharlieDroid no.4: What makes you so special?
Charlie Droid no.3: I'VE BEEN DOING SIT-UPS!
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Am I the only one who likes that line despite the fact that it’s kinda cheesy. (I guess)
A lot of speculation being that the father of Cassie is supposed to be the Bonnie masked individual in the bite of 83 minigame which could make sense so I was very interested to see what you had to say cause this line came out of no where and having 3 characters say it is so strange. It is just like fnaf to have such a line make the fanbase go in shambles trying to figure out what it means lol.
Can’t wait for the next one
Yeah, I was really hoping she'd talk about that.
But, her going really hard on the other connections (especially to Circus Baby) was fascinating. Never knew about half of these. Good stuff.
Don't forget that in Princess Quest 4, there's an Easter egg that if you light the graves in a specific order, an area is revealed with a chest. Inside the chest is a worn-down Bonnie mask.
@@thatgamerthing9812 Even better is the text that displays next to it, "This looks familiar."
@@Takejiro24 Exactly!
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“Suffering daughter, Fem Fatal. Tragic duplicate stuck pretending…”
*“Clown.”*
Delivery made me laugh, idk. Love my clowns.
Eleanor is just the mimics drag persona
@Wind_BlazeThis made me chuckle
cant wait to see Eleanor vogue
@@bugginonthewall Ra katta kak kak pow 💥
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Baby was so good a character fnaf can't help but try recreating and replacing and rewriting her over and over and over again...
For me personally the lore has left the original idea of ghost kids forced to poses cold machines in an effort to one day catch their evil killer so far behind, that now days the only lore I need focuses on is dumb main characters like book Carlton and movie mike doing dumb things and somehow surviving and winning. X)
Probably because the newer theories are more of a nothing burger, none of them are interesting in the slightest, you can tell that very easily by how much talk about the older games take up a theory video, the only thing you can make with the new lore is just guesses of what's gonna happen next and then how much the "new story" rewrites the old lore.
You would benefit from some punctuation ngl.
Edit: That sounds rude sorry, I just genuinely struggled to read your comment due to the lack of punctuation lmao.
@@ThemightyTelevisionyeah it’s tough when we don’t get much to work with in the newer games
@@bellslimes I blame 'em for it, instead of just making a normal reboot like everyone else does they're trying to slowly rewrite the history of fnaf as slow as they can.
@@ThemightyTelevision true
Legit fascinated by this - I can totally imagine there being a plan to have Eleanor cross from the books to the games, and for her to be Vanny. I've seen other theories involving the visual effects that we see when she's around that could imply the illusion disc... but then, because nothing really comes of it, it seems kinda pointless. But if the idea was that she was actually going to be Eleanor, it'd kinda make sense.
Obviously the big problem here is that connecting a game that felt like a soft reboot of the franchise to a bunch of books most people won't have read is going to be confusing for most people, so if this was the idea, I think ditching it was definitely the right call.
Based on the stuff with Bonnie and Glitchtrap you pointed out:
What if Glitchtrap first took over Bonnie as Burntrap 1.0, but ended up getting caught doing something shady by Monty, a struggle ensued leading to Bonnie’s demise. Vanny covers it up because she needs to keep the whole Glitchtrap thing on the DL, especially if the all staff meeting hasn’t occurred yet. This would allow for the Monty redemption some people are looking for without an elaborate frame job that just gets covered up anyway. Instead it was self defense, but they still need to cover it up. Monty’s moodiness is then a kind of guilt for benefitting from an accident he wish never happened.
I like this a lot! I think it gives both Bonnie and Monty a lot of depth that they just… aren’t provided by the common fandom narrative. I do always like to note that the room Bonnie was found in included a static ball rack (meaning, the balls on the rack had to have been there since Bonnie was hidden, unless Vanny was in the room later and decided to add/remove bowling balls, for some reason) and one of the bowling balls was of Monty… using his glamrock design (including the glasses). Which, to me, implies that even if Monty killed Bonnie, he was already in the band at the time. Whether he’d replaced Bonnie or was just added as a fifth member is obviously unknown. I think that really kinda gets rid of his motivation if you look at it from the “cold blooded killer” angle, so I really like the idea that it was a mercy kill or to keep Glitchtrap from spreading!
That is exactly the thought I had looking at this storyline. Because if Bonnie was merely an innocent bystander and had no strings attached, then the staff could chalk up Bonnie getting broken as merely being an accident, and then he can get either fixed up or fitted a new endoskeleton. After all, all those endoskeletons have to have a purpose rather than just a gameplay obstacle.
But the reason why they don’t do that, and have Monty replace him instead, could hint that Bonnie was indeed sinister. Whether Vanessa/ Vanny tried to hide the evidence, or the staff saw something themselves, it’s hard to say. Needless to say, every time Fazbear Entertainment removes a character from the public eye, it’s mostly down to either a fatal accident or being outwardly hostile to the public (see Fredbear and the Toys).
Foxy from FNAF 1 is known for being tatty and broken, but he’s still kept around despite that. Mangle is in a far worse shape than any other animatronic, but because it doesn’t harm anyone (until the ending of FNAF 2), its kept around.
It would also give more weight to both Vanny and Bonnie’s involvement in the story rather than just “obligatory bunny that only looks important but actually isn’t”
Also, a more joking side note, it was Bonnie was wandering around by himself in the middle of the night and entering at Monty Golf at 4am, not Monty breaking into Bonnie Bowl to axe him off. Monty could probably see that as a home invasion in the early hours of the morning, as he doesn’t have a dressing room to live in.
Circus Baby's Most IConic Scene was when she was in the BackgroundInside of A Pod of a factory,
In Fury's Rage.
The Reason for this, was
"What the Clown Doin?"
But Seriously What's she Doing in Fury's Rage?
It's Something I Don't hear Much people Talk about.
Not believing Monty murdered Bonnie is easier when you think about when lore is to obvious it gets denied or ret-conned later
The Bite of 87 was believed for so long then randomly its the bite of 83 now
The bite of 83 has always been the Bite of 83. There’s always been a difference.
@@buggman6086 yeah NOW it is, but there were countless memes and theories about the bite of 87 , it only got ret-conned to 83 later. I know im not loosing my mind because it was a big disruption in the Fandom when it was corrected later
@@ViktorErikFade no, it’s always was the bite of 83’.
In FNAF 4, there’s a semi-rare ad for Fredbare & Friends and on the ad it shows “1983.”
There just happened to be a chunk of the community that was unaware of this, but most theorists did know about this secret at the time.
only reason anyone thought it was 87 is cause markiplier didnt really follow the lore closely and got the two dates of the events mixed up in the classic "was that the bite of 87??" clip. so the answer to his question is no. it was not the bite of 87 (which kinda makes it funnier imo), it was the bite of 83. the bite of 87 was always the incident that the phone guy talks about when an employee on the day shift gets his frontal lobe bitten off by one of the animatronics (widely theorised to have been mangle iirc) and then survives.
@@Yote_Yammers in fairness I've heard that part of the game, Mat , and other youtubers forever say 87 until the whole 83 thing
So I know for sure it at least isn't just me.
We can all just agree that fnaf lore isn't even that concrete to begin with
15:17 To be honest, fnaf theorizing and most recent editions to fnaf lore in general feel like that.
"But why did I have the bowl Scott?! Why did I have the bowl?!"
This is so true lmao
This is so true lmao
Hearing the who mimic mimics speculations is at this point making me fear the next game is gonna reveal that the glitch trap virus predates William and jus like, he was the first infected or smth. Just switcheroo who came first to go "Seeeee? Didn't expect this did you?"
I really hate the books cuz literally anything is possible in the books. Theres illusion disks and robots and fazgoo and remnant stuff and that means making theory of the games using the books almost impossible because any question can be explained by a random thing that a character does in the books.
And time traveling ball pits. Don't forget that.
It’s like the SpongeBob meme, “is anybody else here an Afton or Afton inspired?”
If they didnt use Baby for every other plotline, they'd be better.
They didn't
Eleanor and The Mimic are not baby
Daycare attendants were just theatre bots thanks to Bobbiedots.
The connections she makes in this video is just her concealing evidence to show the false perspective.
@@SchoolNotes-n7x Elanor and Mimic are filling similar roles to baby, thus putting them into question as to wether or not they ARE the same character. Daycare Attendent is a bit of a stretch, but the line of "what makes you so special", the jeckle and hyde personality shift he shares with vanessa, and his actual conmections to Vannyin Help wanted 2 are solid enough. She's pointing out connections and saying how these complicate the story, because they are all over the place, yet are similar to the small clues we scrutinized in the classic era of fnaf to solve it's mysteries. Just a bit of thought.
Edit:Also, concealing what evidence? What perspective? That Fnaf is a complicated spagetti mess of lore?
@@IronVigilante451 Eleanor in Frights fills a different role, if anything she is similiar to Shadow Freddy.
The Mimic kills because its copying a killer and following the orders unintentionally. Baby does not fit both of thee characters.
Because she didn't mention the part where Eleanor is made from the Missing Children's Agony or the fact that Mimic is indeed Glitchtrap (confirmed in HW2). She also pretty much didn't mention the part where "Eleanor" we see in Frights is just an outer shell, her real apperance is basically black goo tentacle monster
Now let's see, do they both follow the Circus baby's story?
@@SchoolNotes-n7x Elanor mimics and kills like Mimic. Shadow Freddy doesnt do anything aside from lure kids. Baby and Elanor share similar orgins. Also, the tendrel thing could relate to Nightmarrione, which links to charlie, then to Fourth closet Baby. Baby's shtick in SL is her pretending to kill mike. This is all to say, that Baby and her variations are causing confusion, wether its in frights, silver eyes, or even the main games.
@@IronVigilante451 Eleanor doesn't mimic anyone, she uses a disguise of the pendant but thats preet much it. Shadow Freddy tortures Mike in fnaf4.
Im a simple gal, i see the daycare attendant and i click (im also interested in the video itself i swear-)
Are you trying to make your way through the universe like Jango Fett from Star Wars?
Listening to this while I play Street Fighter 6 (your voice is really soothing and that game stresses me out sometimes, haha), and I feel like Baby has some of the coolest lines in this entire series.
Thank you so much! 😊And honestly, I agree. While I'm not crazy about Book Baby, she does have a few lines that really hit.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Game Baby: Giant clown that “just wants to talk” with you, instead of killing you
Book Baby: literally feels like fnaf tried to make metal sonic !
Baby for Street Fighter DLC confirmed?
I would have liked that more characters said it. Maybe it's more important that some characters say it and others don't
Ok, this episode to me was the funniest thing you've made so far, aside from maybe the Smooching guide. Your writing is witty, you hit all the beats actually reading it all out, add a bit of improv here and there and it's just so great, I burst out laughing multiple times. Other than that, the theories themselves were also pretty great! I genuinely hope the connections are simply correlated to the writers making actual separate characters with their own traits instead of dumping every possible trait into Baby and calling it a day. I'd like Baby to just be herself like she's in Help Wanted 2 and others to be all those other things she got turned into. Overall amazing work ^w^
Everytime you mention the Mimic, I think of that one Mimic meme. (That died a long time ago)
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Hello there!
General RevanKnight
@@captainet2457
/:) your move.
You are a bold one!
@@azimuddin1890I’ll handle this commenter slime myself
Hello there.
15:47 Completely unrelated to the actual video topic but this is something about Glam Bonnie that's bothered me ever since we first saw him:
*WHERE ARE HIS CLAWS?*
It's the ONE thing about his design that we were given before he was fully revealed and played a relatively large part in theories surrounding him and his deminse so why oh why does he just straight up not have claws in Ruin and HW2?? You can't even argue that they took Bonnies endo hands directly and put them onto Monty since he 1) clearly still has his endo skeleton underneath his hands and 2) even if, for SOME REASON, they replaced his endo hands with a different, equally broken pair just to put them onto a broken Bot, his exoskeleton aka shell would have holes at the tips of his fingers to let the claws through. Which he doesn't.
So Steel Wool forgot the most important detail about Bonnies Design when actually making his model. Amazing Job, guys /s
10:53 the silver eyes and the novel trilogy is actually really important in the franchise to the point where the movie is more of an adaptation of that than the games
Foxy arcade seen his copied from that book
ELLA is in the movie tho she’s completely different from her counterpart.
William spring lock is almost to one to one with the silver eyes minus the building, collapsing and golden. Freddy is not involved with it whatsoever.
Spring Bonnie is in the movie he has the exact same powers only buffed as he can now control and manipulate the animatronics which is something he did have in the fourth closet but he has it right off the movie no molten MCI.
Like he’s so connected to them that they’re able to talk to each other in dreams and snitch
(in fact the whole reason they hurt the adults because he tells them to)
Mike and Charlie have the exact same backstory kind of their younger brother is taken, though Mike is definitely not a robot here because Garrett 100% exist
The building collapsing is like the twisted ones though it completely different context it collapses because pain was extremely powerful
The really cool kids, drawing plot line is straight up copied from the fourth closet one to one
(this is off-topic, but I really like the idea of William having control of the animatronics and them thinking their friends I think that’s an amazing rewrite decision love to see it implemented in like a Fnaf 1 remake or something)
Facts
@@captainet2457 Facts. Like, I totally get why some people hate the novels. I stopped in my tracks and audibly asked "What!?" in public when listening to the audiobook of The Twisted Ones, and Springtrap went "oof!" and let go after Charlie elbowed him. Parts are goofy, but they are and have always been very obviously important to the actual series.
@@bubblegum1366Sorry, UA-cam didn’t notify you. Anyways, despite its goofiness in the novel, I still love the novel trilogy.
@@captainet2457 As someone who just listened to them recently honestly I really liked them. The story is clear, they do a good job of keeping it open and shut and while I can see why the cliffhangers piss some people off, I just really enjoyed that each character was given time to develop. FNaF lore is in comparison unorganized, scattered across various and random timeframes, and all of the clues are vague and misleading. The foreshadowing in Silver Eyes is great IMO, and if you look at it as something entirely separate from the games and their canon it's a great narrative. I honestly really enjoyed most of the twists, and I think the aloofness adds to its charm and gives us a break from the dark and traumatic events. Obviously there were moments where characters made pretty huge logic leaps both smart and dumb, but the horror element was uniquely used and landed great IMO.
@@greyscaleadaven another Silver eyes trilogy fan? That’s rare considering that most people trash on the sequels. Honestly, TWO, TFC> TSE in my opinion. I agree that the story is clear of what it is saying and I personally like the cliffhangers. Although, I didn’t read TTO until last December plus, I spoiled myself which, ruined the cliffhanger thing. Regardless, I enjoy TFC ending and I prefer the characters in the sequel. Mostly, because it seems like they have more personality then the silver eyes plus, they had there own time to shine in TFC. Although, the sequels do have there fair share of flaws which make people hate it overall. Admittedly, I’m not fully bothered by those kind of flaws. Even though it’s different from the games, that ain’t stopping me from liking game characters and there book characters. (Charlie/Henry/William/Baby) I do enjoy the dark moments like the suicide bot, Henry going insane, Afton kidnapping kids and experimenting them, Charlie and Baby’s backstory, the Aftons and Emily’s death and Charlie getting springlocked twice in the same book. Overall, I love this trilogy
Most if not all of the problems in the fnaf lore are caused by theorizing lol. To a certain extent of course but the idea that there's always SOMETHING hidden in the shadows that has gone unnoticed to everyone and trying ever so desperately to use it to explain SOMETHING unsolved is what really drove the fnaf lore to break. I think it's more worth while to just... wait until Scott or Steel Wool drop some more information on the current lore rather than speculating purely for the sake of it lmao. Love your vids though! They're always insanely thought provoking which is surprisingly rare nowadays :)
People wanting to know every minor detail is what broke it, in my eyes, dream theory was the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because it started the beginning of the end, it quickly overshadowed any other theory at the time and people for some reason saw no other choice but to force Scott to give every detail about the story after that because of how vague fnaf 4 was, despite that being the point of the game, many failed to see it.
Now fnaf has been rebooted twice now, people still fail to see it, because everyone still tries to connect the first timeline with the second timeline and the third.
Sadly everyone wants on that theory hype train. Gotta get them views with "HIDDEN FNAF SECRETS?!". Everyone wants a piece of the pie.
@@Caragoner everyone wants to be the one to carry the theory scene on their back, and that's their biggest problem, they try too hard.
I am the messenger toy Bonnie’s depressed because fnaf ar got taken down no more I’m a superstar
He needs a vid
MatPat has been real quiet since this dropped🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yeah, cause he’s not working on youtube anymore. And this came put like 6 minutes ago
This made me laugh for real
@@Good_luck_. /woooosh
@@Good_luck_. he still is active on one channel
Damn shame he has a family to take care of eh?
WE FINDING OUR NEW MATPAT WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️ 🔥🔥🔥
Real
. . . Someone with Just as much Halters AS followers whos theories get regarded AS disproven Just by the merit of WHO voiced them?!
@@SingingSealRiana eh?
If I’m being really honest, I think we should’ve ignored the books as a whole when it came to character backgrounds, it just muddles things. Often I feel the FNAF community uses the books way too often for things that don’t always fit well, and it leads to confusion and discord when things don’t quite line up in the games, not to mention it perpetuated the idea that Scott is a horrible writer when he hasn’t personally written any of the books as far as I’m aware. So much of the current confusion could be dropped if we just mainly went off what happens in the games and just that, without trying to add in extra character info from the books, it would’ve kept the vibe of the games mysterious and allowed Scott and Steel Wool to drip feed character info when they wanted.
Side note, I believe the Candy Cadet story about the woman growing up and facing the witch again is talking about Cassie’s dad. Jeremy once faced glitch trap before as stated in Help Wanted, (and if we go by the theory that he’s the Bonnie Bully, he’s had a history with the franchise as a whole since he was little.) then after the Help Wanted incident he comes back a few years later to fix things up and face the issues happening at the Pizzaplex personally, only for him to end up trapped by Glitch Trap once and for all. All the details fit perfectly aside from gender, which can be dismissed if this story is just a metaphor.
I think you touched on it lightly in this video. But security breach is unfortunately the worst entry that happened to the lore. because it got rushed, it generated a TON of the weird contradictions and issues that now plague the fanbase as a whole. To the point that they pushed a story patch in the form of ruin.
Maybe if it wasn't rushed, things could have been more neatly telegraphed/explained, but alas!
worst? what about fnaf 4
“What makes you so special?” (Fnaf kings addition)
Matpat: “THEE LOOOOOOOOOORE”
Dawko: “one word, Buff… Helpy” Dawktrap: “and me”
CG5: “songs”
Random Encounters: “MUSICAL”
Superhorrorbro and Twisted animatronic: “secrets”
and Markiplier: “I AM THE KING OF FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDYS!!!!!!!”
I very much so think you should watch game theories' most recent FNAF theory, the first one without matt, it explains a lot of the things you're wondering about the mimic in a way that made a lot of sense to me, maybe it will to you too! Great video by the way.
I personally think if you make glitch trap and Burntrap the mimic then it makes the lore a lot worse afton becoming a digital entity could have been interesting. (I refuse to believe that burn trap and glitch trap are the mimic)
Same
Also, if the Mimic is Glitchtrap and Burntrap then that makes him just some Afton clone, which is basically Afton coming back but worded differently
Unfortunately, tales confirmed that at least glitchtrap is the mimic
@@BraedonElgin It actually doesn’t. Nowhere is that even implied
This has nothing to do with this video but I still feel like Sun/Moon's body class type still looks like an upgraded version of the Mimic's body class type. Super lanky and slender arms and legs. Similar teeth plates. And are all very flexible and/or can shape shift. The main difference between them is that Sun/Moon's head/face plate is more tablet-like hence why I say it's an upgrade. If it ever came down to the Sun/Moon being built in something's image, I wouldn't be surprised if they were built after the Mimic's body type. There's still a possibility of the Mimic also being from Circus Baby's Pizza World as well and the same goes for Sun/Moon. Who knows 🤷🏽♀️
What I think.
1. If the theory of us playing as Cassie’s dad is true perhaps the what makes you so special line could be indicating that were we their and responsible for starting the beginning of the fazbear horrors during the bite of 83, also if the theory of Cassie’s dad being Jeremy Fitzgerald is also true than he was most likely the victim of the bite of 87 in which he lost his frontal lobe but somehow survived, and if Jeremy was their during the beginning if he was friends with Michael than perhaps he knew Elizabeth and learned what happened to her, he may have also been a technician at circus baby’s entertainment and rental to try and investigate what was happening.
2. Also i was under the belief that Eleanor was just a haunted animatronic with the agony of Elizabeth afton.
3. I’m also under the belief that burntrap is just a mimic variant that glitchtrap uses as a physical host body, also if the books are canon to the games I believe that the body on burntrap is a young man named luca who dies in a springtrap costume with springlocks.
4. I also believe that William afton created glitchtrap by training it off of himself in case anything ever happens to him so their would technically be another version of himself around, then the circuit boards with the glitchtrap virus were found by fazbear entertainment llc and used for many things.
5. Im pretty sure Elizabeth is ginger haired.
6. If it were up to me what I would’ve done with Vanessa and vanny is instead of making them the same person directly I would have Vanny be a digital character (much like glitchtrap and MXES) and have her possess Vanessa’s body through her VANNI mask, that way they would be separate people despite sharing the same body, we would also have Vanessa as a ally and friend to Gregory while unaware that she’s possessed, also vanny would only be able to be in control for 1 hour a day and we still have to play the process quest games to save/free her, but the only way to permanently destroy her is to fully get rid of the glitchtrap virus and destroy her mask.
1:00 I appreciate the usage of a Danganronpa nonstop debate font here lol. Encapsulates so much about truth and lies.
YESSS I DIDN’T MISS IT TO BADLY, I’VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARDS TOO THIS FOR AWHILE
3:00 clean line
Maybe it’s because Jeremy Fitzgerald is the main character of HW2. (Haven’t watch full video)
21:58 ok I like the delivery but moon isn’t a clown he’s a jester, but the game kinda makes him seem like a clown so eh let’s call it a draw.
Now 18:10 uh her suit absolutely could get tighter I’ve seen edits where uhh certain places are bigger then others shall we say.
Well I geuss that’s all. I got to say strange I got nothing to say on the theory but my nerdiness and personal interest in Vanny were the first thing in my mind
Clowns and jesters are sort of two veins of the same thing, being costumed entertainers but with a specific differences. In a way, modern day clowns are pretty much ancestors of classic jesters, if you really think about it.
I've thought about it a lot. I went through a jester binge when I was writing a fantasy book and got way too much info that I never ended up using. XD
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 oh yeah good point. Also may I know what your book is called?
Jester and clowns are two different things 😭
GOOD LORD I had trouble understanding everything, that is indeed quite the tangle of messes and repetitions. I mean, as you said, the writers are probably just reuising characters traits that Baby had beforehand, but at this point it just causes wayyy too many complications. For any other series it could've just be agreed upon as it being simply referencing, or lazy writing, but considering that Fnaf is all about finding lore in the details, of course people are going to try proving direct connections from obvious similarities.
But great vid as always, stil!
20:06 Ngl some Fnaf Fashion Review would be kinda fun, now that I think about it
What makes me SPECIAL?
Strength
Perception
Endurance
Charisma
Intelligence
Agility
Luck
Things would be so easy if Fnaf was directed by Micheal Bay
11:52 the picture here is scary
“what makes you so special?” (Afton siblings addition)
Michael: “*sings* im a dead guy walking! im in your yard im a dead guy walkinggg”
Evan: “ I…. i have many names given.. and i cry alot? oh im also one half of golden freddy”
Elizabeth: “ICE CREAM. and DADDY issues!”
Michael: “we all do”
And what makes you so special notrealname why are you a good fnaf tuber
It's the amount of salt. XD It truly seasons the meat.
I thought they were hinting at the mimic being Baby or vice versa because apparently its favourite outfit is a jester clown...
I don't think that was its favorite outfit, but the one he was stuck inside of at the end of the books. In the books he seems more into the whole tiger thing. But I wouldn't be shocked if they went for that.
I feel like this is gonna hint towards the mimic being Ennard and if that happens i think i might
Sorry you lost me
“what makes you so special?” Missing childrens version (sorry if too much)
Cassidy: “REVENGE DUH”
Gabriel, Susie, and Fritz: “WE LITERALLY DIED BY AFTON!!” Susie: “i was the first”
Jeremy: *fists up*
Charlie: “im in the books and games”
I should not have watched this in bed right before going to sleep, I'm just confused now. I'll rewatch this in the morning.
Can't believe this video ended the Kendrick Drake beef
Nothing to do with this video exactly but have you seen the video by Dual Process Theory? Tt's titled "we solved fnaf and we're Not Kidding." and it's a great theory for FNaF 1 to UCN and it seems to solve the lore, or at least the original lore lol. There are some wild claims in the video but as you watch it starts to all make sense. It's my favorite theory to date and I've been watching theories since MatPat's first FNaF theory
Sorry to be cliche but I clicked so fast! You always create banger content!!
Same!
What is Jeremy/Cassie Dad goes into Bonnie BEFORE security breach?
Then the reason Bonnie had to get "gator attacked" was because Jeremy was trying to do something against afton??
Afton couldnt infect him like he could to the other animatronics
Then the security system in Ruin could be Jeremy/Cassie Dad still in the pizza plex??
The why are you so so special in my opinion is just referred to how Cassie’s Dad assisted in the bite of 83 and is one of the longtime workers of Freddy’s
He’s VR,Fnaf 2 Jeremy ,and also a circus baby technician
This or Jeremy Fitzgerald
@@captainet2457 Jeremy and VR are the same in my opinion so there’s only 2 Jeremy the way I see it
@@Sonicmid maybe.. is there a big difference lore wise when playing VR mode compared to flat mode?
I kinda doubt fnaf 2 Jeremy would work at any fnaf pizzeria after the bite, and vr Jeremy is definitely dead after cutting his face off
@@BraedonElgin he never actually cut his face off. That was just a misconception and Jeremy most likely didn’t catch the bite that was never confirmed even if he did he still survived
this is so damn complicated. I love that.
Call it creativity, call it nonsense, this is the FNAF lore for ya.
I would have enjoyed a giant trash Afton
I feel like I havent seen any creativity come out of the fnaf story jn a long time. We keep dancing around the same events and plots, even if its supposed to help fill in the gaps in the main story its starting to feel stale. The same character under diffrent names, constant return to afton and his family/victims. I feel like the fnaf universe has so much potential for other stories and characters that arent even being considered. We can even look at the other characters involved in the main story like the first 5 victims or any later victims. They all have potential. I dont think it will ever happen but it would be interesting to explore the world of fnaf from a diffrent perspective and with a different focus rather than the killer
God this video just reminds me why i hate mimic so much 😭 (the video is good tho!)
“A cop, but back in the 90’s…”
What?
The movie happens in 2000~.
(At least March or later)
Vanessa in the movie is also about 22~24(?)
[The novelization of the movie says she’s “about” 5 years or so YOUNGER than Mike, and Mike is around 25 or 26.]
I will put you back together: like
What makes you so special: comment
I haven't watched the video yet, but if you haven't seen them yet, I HIGHLY recommend you check out Dual Process Theory. They have an amazing "we solved fnaf" video and I genuinely think it recontextualizes our understanding of the lore that makes overall a lot of sense and I think it's a solid theory. Pretty much right off the bat they gave me similar vibes to your channel, I immediately was like "this feels like NotRealName NotAtAll" and I think it'd be cool to hear what you think about it!
14:17 No hate intended. But the Mimic is Glitch trap theory is that the chip that contained Afton's consciousness (Glitch Trap) is inserted into the Mimic by Vannessa (fully corrupted by Glitch Trap) and that behavior is like mega inserted into his programming. Other than that solid theory!
the web of cogs and oil reference?? (cool fangame u should check out)
That's right! I loved that game- specifically the Scrap Baby level where she breaks the glass.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 the old man consequences and that jj are pratically henry and charlie in that game
Withered Freddy video, maybe? Possibly?🥲
WHY WON'T ANYONE LOVE HIM????😭😭😭
Dude, I love his design. He needs more attention
@@captainet2457 Like, NOW.
He's not that lore important.
@@StephDilimia *Fuck you, Burns your lore*
@@StephDilimia true. But, most characters aren’t lore important too
I feel like she can be a new matpat ❤
I don’t know, but maybe? She appeared in a F.N.A.F theorist video so I guess they count her?
She's better imo. She's not afraid to say what's bs in the series and not try to " figure it out " like so many theorists do
Honestly, I disagree. Which may seem rude, but lemme explain.
I don't think Notrealname should be the next matpat, but be the first them, yknow? Their videos have a unique style, different energy, different format. I like variety
@mikaroni_and_cheez I agree that variety is the spice (malange) of life!
Speaking of lore, I wondered about you doing a discussion across each 8-bit sequence across the games, or at the very least, Princess Quest.
Eleanor isn't Baby? I can get behind that. Really bugged me through Matpat's '21 Frights coverage where he just outright called her Baby. I'd say she's Frights' equivalent in its weird way, but not much more.
I've seen that Fury's Rage silhouette debated to be Sexy Baby or Scrap Baby or maybe some other 3rd thing. While Stage 2 likely foreshadowed 6's Pizza Place under the megaplex, I don't know about this one...
In addition to the mushrooms, I also saw the reddish lake compared to Old Man Consequences'.
I'll call it a writing oopsie.
I'm already getting baffled...
What's weird is that Ruin has a totally different hallway before Bonnie Bowl's ice cream storage, rather Vanny's room shown afterwards. (Though what bugs me more is Gator Golf looking lowered down)
I more lean on Elizabeth being orange while considering the graphic novel a slip-up (they made Cassidy brown instead of black). On top of that, Foxy bro looks like he has black hair during the Bite, but SL Mike's is brown like CC's. And eyes - Elizabeth's are green, SL Mike's look bluish, CC's was thought to be either of these before the Encyclopedia did brown (though I say it was pulled off of Gregory's model like the knee bandaid).
Well, we didn't even have a Circus Baby in SL's office sequences (aside from Ennard). HW2 takes the names of the Puppet Master and Funtime Gang challenges, using the humanoids and Fazbear adjacent characters (plus Chica) leaving Baby with her own thing.
I'm already stumped off that explanation.
666 + 87 ...or 83 GF, TOH and Bendy each have 618, 128 and 414, I'm not sure on a three digit number for fnaf...
26:19 Heh, I'm making a big chart like this consisting of 4 Afton's, both Emily's and the Missing 5. The SB column is bound to be a doozy.
(4:46)
This part feels like an old UA-cam video, but with more high definition.
Why am I so special, BECAUSE I CAN FIX HER HEAR ME OUT IM BEGGING YOU
CharlieDroid no.4: What makes you so special?
CharlieDroid no.3: I did FIVE push-ups.
CharlieDroid no.4: FIVE PUSH-UPS?!!!
CharlieDroid no.3: Yep
CharlieDroid no.4: Pff, I did SIX push-ups!
CharlieDroid no.3: *insert her shock face*
14:30 So this is interesting! Glitchtrap came from hardware that Fazbear provided, and the Pizzaplex was built on top of the FNaF 6 location.
You know: the location with a giant, amalgamated blob of melted hardware that Henry trapped in an oven.
Which *included* Scraptrap, but also included Molten Freddy, Scrap Baby, and apparently the original animatronics too.
... So is *that* what got uploaded to become Glitchtrap?
15:55 and if the Blob includes the original animatronics (or even the Toy ones), then what got uploaded to Glitchtrap is that "shield face with arm" thing *from* Bonnie. That was a telltale coincidence proving everything from that pile became Glitchtrap, because it was an intentional part of Bonnie *and* Glamrock Bonnie.
And I mention the Toys because I saw your video about Toy Bonnie and got sad :( Maybe he lives on in Glitchtrap after being uploaded from the Blob's burnt remains
tbh, with the reveal that circus baby's is ancient, with mimic being down next to carnival costumes....
it would actually MAKE SENSE that mimic is OLD CIRCUS BABY!!!
or well, predecessor at least, may not be "baby" exactly....but it IS supposed to be wearing a "jester costume", and I don't think there's any more direct links than that, short of calling it the same thing, lol...I wouldn't be surprised if in the next game we found out that the old mimic was indeed the original "circus baby", which explains WHY the new baby has the mimic chip, and it explains WHY the new baby is SO GOOD AT MIMICKING, it's because she's based on THE mimic, it's also very likely that is the only reason "ennard" managed to squeeze into, and control micheael in the first place, because of the residual knowledge on how to wear different suits, since y'know...afterwards, "the blob" ends up as a big shapeless pile of junk, with the baby gone....
What makes you so salty Notrealnamenoatall?
You already know, it’s F.N.A.F.
Charlie's character derailment in the books, the Puppet not being the Crying Child, Elizabeth's turn from the scheming, manipultive yet sympathetic villain she was in Sister Location to Daddy's Girl in Pizzeria Simulator......
Take your pick 🫠
I think an important note about the idea of Mimic learning 'Hide and Seek' from Pizza Party in Help Wanted, is that the SpringbonnieMan (as he's called in the files of the game) that appears in Pizza Party is NOT the Glitchtrap anomaly we have slowly been piecing together with the tapes throughout the rest of the game. The Spring Bonnie that appears in Pizza Party is an actual part of the game and that level. How do I know? Because he's completely whole and visible. At that point in the game when the player is going through Pizza Party, they haven't collected the last tape and Glitchtrap is not whole, hence why he still appears green and odd looking in the hub world, so how could he just magically appear normally in Pizza Party? He can't because that's not him, that's the character the anomaly is taking the form of/copying.
I usually think of it this way, the Mimic1 program copied the behavior of the Spring Bonnie character that was meant to be as part of the game in Pizza Party, including its appearence. Thus, Glitchtrap was born.
And because I know some people will say it, tape girl mentions she doesn't recognize Glitchtrap when she first sees him during the tapes, so then how could the "SpringbonnieMan" be an actual part of the game if tape girl didn't recognize Glitchtrap when she first encountered him. Well, for starters, Glitchtrap tends to appear in abnormal and glitchy ways majority of the time, and secondly, its because she hadn't gotten to Pizza Party yet, she wasn't that far into the game. She specifically mentions in the tape where she talks about her first encounter with Glitchtrap, she mentions he was looking into the window of the office and 'not like Chica or Bonnie would' meaning that she was only playing the FNAF 1 section when she first encountered him.
Pizza Party is a weird mixture of everything in the game just as much as every other level is in the Nightmare mode of Help Wanted. Every level in Nightmare mode is meant to look creepy and abnormal, Pizza Party is no exception. Plus, the games credits and Handunit congratulates us on completing the Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experience only after we have completed Pizza Party, meaning that its meant to be part of the experience. Which makes sense, as its meant to dispel the biggest stain to Fazbear Entertainment's name, the murders of the missing children.
I think there is something to be said, its that there is two different Mimics that are terrorizing the Pizzaplex in the books, the program/'virus' and the actually Mimic endo locked in the basement. I pretty sure its a similar situation with the games Mimic, hence why Helpi/Helptrap and Grimic have their little argument in Ruin and why the Mimic endo is around even after Glitchtrap has been squashed.
But anyways, thats my two sense.
Theory: theres no intentional deep lore anymore, they just randomly do stuff and randomly tie it together and let us cook with no end in sight = still theories being made promoting the game in a decade
Fnaf lore is a joke at this point.
I cannot consciously process any lore information after fnaf 6.
I have to agree.
We need a book that tells us the lore of games 1-7 at least, and then focus on Help Wanted 1 and onwards.
@@azimuddin1890 more like the lore was always a joke since the start
I’m glad I’m not the only one who finds FNAF, especially current FNAF practically impossible to follow.
Like, Pre-Help Wanted fnaf can be confusing and obtuse at points, but after the fact it’s pretty straightforward once the digging has been done.
Post HW-fnaf is just… an incomprehensible mess, and it didn’t really have to be. And so much of it is due to Security Breach’s cuts, then the writers trying to do something with the peices anyway regardless of the fact the connective tissue is gone.
I also wonder what *are* they trying to do eith Vanny and/or Vannessa. There’s so many mixed signals from the movie, to the games to subtext in the games it’s so infuriating not being able to make heads or tails of her as a character or her relation to other characters. Especially since… and I know it’s incredibly popular as a fanfic concept, but where are the other aftons circa SB? We know they’re doing… something with Elizabeth, even if it’s a replacement, but what about michael and the CC (if they even are an Afton)? What are their roles being filled by? Is gregory the new Michael?
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I always personally thought that Glitchtrap in Pizza Party and Glitchtrap everywhere else are completely seperate. Glitchtrap in Pizza Party being a part of the game, the Springbonnie Stand-In in the FINAL PARODY that was Pizza Party. The real Glitchtrap (Who I'll call by his superior fan-name of Malhare from now-on) used that model and started doing the same movements. He started to replicate. He started to MIMIC.
Yeah, you heard that right folks, Malhare IS Mimic. Pizza Party wasn't a mixed breed made by him, it's a mixed breed made by FazEnt. Hard Mode is supposed to be there. Pizza Party is supposed to be there. SPRINGBONNIE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. The final Joke. The final Parody.
God damn that's a good theory name
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Vanny crushing Glitchtrap, yet appearing to still exist sure implies that "Vanny" wasn't actually Glitchtrap possessing and controlling Vanessa like some thought.
As such, it reminded me of an old, yet far-fetched theory for Vanny in Security Breach that I still think would be pretty cool if it was true.
...What if Vanessa's "Vanny" persona was actually Circus Baby?? (or at the very least, a rogue A.I. like Glitchtrap that was created from the in-universe Help Wanted 1 Devs using Circus Baby's coding for their VR Game.)
It would explain Vanny's numerous similarities to Circus Baby, and be a clever way to bring Circus Baby back as a main villain.
Like, imagine if in the Princess Quest ending of Security Breach, after freeing Vanessa from Vanny, instead of a quick and happy cutscene, we would have one more boss battle in which "Vanny" uploaded herself into a new body that resembles a Glamrock version of Circus Baby and now Gregory, Vanessa and whatever was left of Freddy had to deal with this new threat before they could escape.
I know this all sounds Insane, but I'd loved if it were in the real game.
Gregory and that Helpi are one and the same in Ruin. They're both Glitchtrap, not The Mimic. Remember, when we free The Mimic it can't even fully say a perfect sentence in Gregory's voice. How could it be The Mimic? But we have already established that Glitchtrap can mimic voices perfectly.
In SB Gregory frees Vanessa from Glitchtrap and traps it in the Megapizzaplex. In Ruin Glitchtrap gets Cassie to free it, then Cassie frees The Mimic. Glitchtrap then traps The Mimic and Cassie below the Megapizzaplex.
I'm just going to posit one thing that nobody seems to be talking about...
*MXES is a smiling purple rabbit that controls animatronics and exists only in the digital space. He repeatedly places digital rabbit icons all over and looms over you, even when he could directly attack (send someone to get you) while generally acting creepy. He also is generally antagonistic towards the Mimic and Cassie and is stationed near the Burntrap arena.*
I'm not saying Glitchtrap, the other purple digital rabbit, is MXES, and therefore a manifestation of Afton, I'm just saying that it's real odd how MXES has the exact same abilities, behaviors, color scheme, and rabbit motif as him, while Mimic doesn't have any whatsoever.
As much as i watch all these lore videos and im _trying_ to read _some_ of the books, tbh... Everything beyond the Michael plotline seems so foreign and i dont even pretend to understand it. Im here for Mikey-boy. I don't care about animatronics that act like magic due to remnant or agony, or animatronics made by different companies or _persons_ - both of those aspects is where the books honestly lost me.
To me, the charm of FNAF resides in the Fazbear company, the science-obsessed killer who wants to reach immortality, and his wayward son who tries, and _succeeds_ (that's why i dont like glitchtrap or burntrap) to kill him and avenge + free the spirits, and also how Henry, Charlie, and the other Afton children fit into that. I'm _open_ to new characters and seeing them develop, but it feels like we're getting bogged down by lore element after lore element after...
As much as I'm trying to read the books, i don't want to link them back to the fnaf game lore. I want to see them as completely separate entities, though maybe some here and there do further our understanding of certain characters (such as GGY, which is the third story I've started in general and which I am very much enjoying so far).
It's all so complicated now, and I'd rather stay with the one plot I'm almost fully certain about and watch videos about the rest of things just for fun, without taking them into consideration for my interpretation of events.
That might be ignorant from my part, or some other adjective i can't think of rn, but that's how i prefer to look at it. FNAF VR has always felt like a soft reset to me, so i treat it, and everything that came afterwards, as such. There's one FNAF timeline pre-VR, and there's another afterwards. I can enjoy and not fiddle with pre-VR lore while seeing from afar how the lore changes post-VR, while keeping them separate entities, yk? And that's how I think all those similarities you've pointed out should be seen. You herself said at the end that Baby's role probably just broke up into multiple characters now, and that's exactly how i prefer to see it: from a Meta POV.
Some things _should_ be explored in a Watsonian way. Other things, things that could be plot-coincidences (such as intended parallels between characters that have no direct correlation with one another) are better left off explained from a Doylist perspective.
Why does this character say the same thing as this other, unrelated, character? Because of what the phrase _means_ in the context of the story and what's being _accomplished_ with the repetition, not try to explain how those two characters came to interact.
But that may just be me.
I still really like lore videos and will continue to watch them, but i thought this relevant to the video's message.
hot take: fmaf 4 is not underrated and still sucks
the old lore from fnaf 4 was unsolveble and so the new lore at least fix a little of this mess called """"""""""""""""""""""""""the final chapter"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
people hate dream theory but come on, how are we supposed solve fnaf 4 if the game is just made to be unsolveble, fnaf 4 feels totally disconnected from the first 3 games, the purple man just appears in 5 SECONDS OF SCREAM TIME
nothing against scott but he needs to understand that solve something isnt defeat from a writter's pov, the nightmares are goofy and the fnaf 1 characters have more uncanny valley than those """"""""""""""""""""""""scary"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" monsters
🤔 I don't think I've ever heard wiki pronounced as 'wee-key' instead of 'wick-key' before
I think "What makes you so special?" is moreso a thematic hint than like, a character-connector, but SO MUCH of the lore is predicated on outside knowledge of events. It gets murky when trying to think about why characters would commit to these actions in-universe.
Am I insane, or did you keep using "perchance" when you meant "penchant"? I could have misheard you, so my apologies if I'm off-base.
Also. I wanna like Vanessa/Vanny for herself, but they need to figure out what they're doing with her. I'm really intriguied by that "may have testified against her own mother" bit, 'cause that's a great starting point for some good character drama.
As an aside, the Michael lore being easier to follow is a testament to how wonky this stuff is. No one does it like my guy and still comes out like a loser! ...Except nearly everyone in FNAF, I guess. Your off-hand Vanessa 2000 comment would also be really hilarious in terms of William being so neglectful that half of his kids die, and then he terrorizes the other two, one of which is a robot he's possessing, and the other is a human who gets possessed by robots. Can't have shit in the Afton House.