If I had a nickel for everytime a hippo animatronic shared a lore relevent line with other animatronics id have 2 nickels which isnt alot but its weird its happened twice
Chaos Theory: Mimic, Burntrap, and Glitchtrap are all independent wills and identities with their own goals. Mimic trying to just replace whoever it sees as the most influential, Burntrap being the remains of Afton's agony trying to reclaim life again and possibly the soul of Afton, Glitchtrap being created by the cognitive pattern of afton who now wants to move on to just playing god because he now has his immortality and wants control of everything?
@@Lustfullynova Because the story is actually several animateonic parts in a trench coat selling fake CDs by the dollar store Nobody knows what's happening because it's more fun to yank random puzzle pieces out of different boxes to construct our own personal narratives
"And this ladies and gentlemen is why fnaf lore feels like a fever dream. Welcome to fazbear hell population 666 and they're all spawn of afton" is quite litterally the best way to describe fnaf lore. I tried thorising and couldn't take it. It's so confusing and we don't really get anything confirmed half the things we think we know could ALL be wrong in some way and its painful. It'll drive you insane. Look at what poor matpat went through. (Also that line was hilarious and so true to todays current lore since security breach"
A lot of speculation being that the father of Cassie is supposed to be the Bonnie masked individual in the bite of 83 minigame which could make sense so I was very interested to see what you had to say cause this line came out of no where and having 3 characters say it is so strange. It is just like fnaf to have such a line make the fanbase go in shambles trying to figure out what it means lol.
Yeah, I was really hoping she'd talk about that. But, her going really hard on the other connections (especially to Circus Baby) was fascinating. Never knew about half of these. Good stuff.
Don't forget that in Princess Quest 4, there's an Easter egg that if you light the graves in a specific order, an area is revealed with a chest. Inside the chest is a worn-down Bonnie mask.
For me personally the lore has left the original idea of ghost kids forced to poses cold machines in an effort to one day catch their evil killer so far behind, that now days the only lore I need focuses on is dumb main characters like book Carlton and movie mike doing dumb things and somehow surviving and winning. X)
Probably because the newer theories are more of a nothing burger, none of them are interesting in the slightest, you can tell that very easily by how much talk about the older games take up a theory video, the only thing you can make with the new lore is just guesses of what's gonna happen next and then how much the "new story" rewrites the old lore.
You would benefit from some punctuation ngl. Edit: That sounds rude sorry, I just genuinely struggled to read your comment due to the lack of punctuation lmao.
@@bellslimes I blame 'em for it, instead of just making a normal reboot like everyone else does they're trying to slowly rewrite the history of fnaf as slow as they can.
(11:13) CharlieDroid no.4: So, what makes you so special? CharlieDroid no.3: I’m the main character. CharlieDroid no.4: What? CharlieDroid no.3: I’m the main character! CharlieDroid no.4: Wha? What are you even saying? CharlieDroid no.3: I’M THE MAIN CHARACTER!!! CharlieDroid no.4: You’re not even explaining it, I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Either you explain or zip it you not so special Android. CharlieDroid no.3: Ouch :(
Legit fascinated by this - I can totally imagine there being a plan to have Eleanor cross from the books to the games, and for her to be Vanny. I've seen other theories involving the visual effects that we see when she's around that could imply the illusion disc... but then, because nothing really comes of it, it seems kinda pointless. But if the idea was that she was actually going to be Eleanor, it'd kinda make sense. Obviously the big problem here is that connecting a game that felt like a soft reboot of the franchise to a bunch of books most people won't have read is going to be confusing for most people, so if this was the idea, I think ditching it was definitely the right call.
Based on the stuff with Bonnie and Glitchtrap you pointed out: What if Glitchtrap first took over Bonnie as Burntrap 1.0, but ended up getting caught doing something shady by Monty, a struggle ensued leading to Bonnie’s demise. Vanny covers it up because she needs to keep the whole Glitchtrap thing on the DL, especially if the all staff meeting hasn’t occurred yet. This would allow for the Monty redemption some people are looking for without an elaborate frame job that just gets covered up anyway. Instead it was self defense, but they still need to cover it up. Monty’s moodiness is then a kind of guilt for benefitting from an accident he wish never happened.
I like this a lot! I think it gives both Bonnie and Monty a lot of depth that they just… aren’t provided by the common fandom narrative. I do always like to note that the room Bonnie was found in included a static ball rack (meaning, the balls on the rack had to have been there since Bonnie was hidden, unless Vanny was in the room later and decided to add/remove bowling balls, for some reason) and one of the bowling balls was of Monty… using his glamrock design (including the glasses). Which, to me, implies that even if Monty killed Bonnie, he was already in the band at the time. Whether he’d replaced Bonnie or was just added as a fifth member is obviously unknown. I think that really kinda gets rid of his motivation if you look at it from the “cold blooded killer” angle, so I really like the idea that it was a mercy kill or to keep Glitchtrap from spreading!
That is exactly the thought I had looking at this storyline. Because if Bonnie was merely an innocent bystander and had no strings attached, then the staff could chalk up Bonnie getting broken as merely being an accident, and then he can get either fixed up or fitted a new endoskeleton. After all, all those endoskeletons have to have a purpose rather than just a gameplay obstacle. But the reason why they don’t do that, and have Monty replace him instead, could hint that Bonnie was indeed sinister. Whether Vanessa/ Vanny tried to hide the evidence, or the staff saw something themselves, it’s hard to say. Needless to say, every time Fazbear Entertainment removes a character from the public eye, it’s mostly down to either a fatal accident or being outwardly hostile to the public (see Fredbear and the Toys). Foxy from FNAF 1 is known for being tatty and broken, but he’s still kept around despite that. Mangle is in a far worse shape than any other animatronic, but because it doesn’t harm anyone (until the ending of FNAF 2), its kept around. It would also give more weight to both Vanny and Bonnie’s involvement in the story rather than just “obligatory bunny that only looks important but actually isn’t” Also, a more joking side note, it was Bonnie was wandering around by himself in the middle of the night and entering at Monty Golf at 4am, not Monty breaking into Bonnie Bowl to axe him off. Monty could probably see that as a home invasion in the early hours of the morning, as he doesn’t have a dressing room to live in.
Hearing the who mimic mimics speculations is at this point making me fear the next game is gonna reveal that the glitch trap virus predates William and jus like, he was the first infected or smth. Just switcheroo who came first to go "Seeeee? Didn't expect this did you?"
15:17 To be honest, fnaf theorizing and most recent editions to fnaf lore in general feel like that. "But why did I have the bowl Scott?! Why did I have the bowl?!"
They didn't Eleanor and The Mimic are not baby Daycare attendants were just theatre bots thanks to Bobbiedots. The connections she makes in this video is just her concealing evidence to show the false perspective.
@@SchoolNotes-n7x Elanor and Mimic are filling similar roles to baby, thus putting them into question as to wether or not they ARE the same character. Daycare Attendent is a bit of a stretch, but the line of "what makes you so special", the jeckle and hyde personality shift he shares with vanessa, and his actual conmections to Vannyin Help wanted 2 are solid enough. She's pointing out connections and saying how these complicate the story, because they are all over the place, yet are similar to the small clues we scrutinized in the classic era of fnaf to solve it's mysteries. Just a bit of thought. Edit:Also, concealing what evidence? What perspective? That Fnaf is a complicated spagetti mess of lore?
@@IronVigilante451 Eleanor in Frights fills a different role, if anything she is similiar to Shadow Freddy. The Mimic kills because its copying a killer and following the orders unintentionally. Baby does not fit both of thee characters. Because she didn't mention the part where Eleanor is made from the Missing Children's Agony or the fact that Mimic is indeed Glitchtrap (confirmed in HW2). She also pretty much didn't mention the part where "Eleanor" we see in Frights is just an outer shell, her real apperance is basically black goo tentacle monster Now let's see, do they both follow the Circus baby's story?
@@SchoolNotes-n7x Elanor mimics and kills like Mimic. Shadow Freddy doesnt do anything aside from lure kids. Baby and Elanor share similar orgins. Also, the tendrel thing could relate to Nightmarrione, which links to charlie, then to Fourth closet Baby. Baby's shtick in SL is her pretending to kill mike. This is all to say, that Baby and her variations are causing confusion, wether its in frights, silver eyes, or even the main games.
Ok, this episode to me was the funniest thing you've made so far, aside from maybe the Smooching guide. Your writing is witty, you hit all the beats actually reading it all out, add a bit of improv here and there and it's just so great, I burst out laughing multiple times. Other than that, the theories themselves were also pretty great! I genuinely hope the connections are simply correlated to the writers making actual separate characters with their own traits instead of dumping every possible trait into Baby and calling it a day. I'd like Baby to just be herself like she's in Help Wanted 2 and others to be all those other things she got turned into. Overall amazing work ^w^
Listening to this while I play Street Fighter 6 (your voice is really soothing and that game stresses me out sometimes, haha), and I feel like Baby has some of the coolest lines in this entire series.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Game Baby: Giant clown that “just wants to talk” with you, instead of killing you Book Baby: literally feels like fnaf tried to make metal sonic !
Most if not all of the problems in the fnaf lore are caused by theorizing lol. To a certain extent of course but the idea that there's always SOMETHING hidden in the shadows that has gone unnoticed to everyone and trying ever so desperately to use it to explain SOMETHING unsolved is what really drove the fnaf lore to break. I think it's more worth while to just... wait until Scott or Steel Wool drop some more information on the current lore rather than speculating purely for the sake of it lmao. Love your vids though! They're always insanely thought provoking which is surprisingly rare nowadays :)
People wanting to know every minor detail is what broke it, in my eyes, dream theory was the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because it started the beginning of the end, it quickly overshadowed any other theory at the time and people for some reason saw no other choice but to force Scott to give every detail about the story after that because of how vague fnaf 4 was, despite that being the point of the game, many failed to see it.
Now fnaf has been rebooted twice now, people still fail to see it, because everyone still tries to connect the first timeline with the second timeline and the third.
GOOD LORD I had trouble understanding everything, that is indeed quite the tangle of messes and repetitions. I mean, as you said, the writers are probably just reuising characters traits that Baby had beforehand, but at this point it just causes wayyy too many complications. For any other series it could've just be agreed upon as it being simply referencing, or lazy writing, but considering that Fnaf is all about finding lore in the details, of course people are going to try proving direct connections from obvious similarities. But great vid as always, stil! 20:06 Ngl some Fnaf Fashion Review would be kinda fun, now that I think about it
I really hate the books cuz literally anything is possible in the books. Theres illusion disks and robots and fazgoo and remnant stuff and that means making theory of the games using the books almost impossible because any question can be explained by a random thing that a character does in the books.
15:47 Completely unrelated to the actual video topic but this is something about Glam Bonnie that's bothered me ever since we first saw him: *WHERE ARE HIS CLAWS?* It's the ONE thing about his design that we were given before he was fully revealed and played a relatively large part in theories surrounding him and his deminse so why oh why does he just straight up not have claws in Ruin and HW2?? You can't even argue that they took Bonnies endo hands directly and put them onto Monty since he 1) clearly still has his endo skeleton underneath his hands and 2) even if, for SOME REASON, they replaced his endo hands with a different, equally broken pair just to put them onto a broken Bot, his exoskeleton aka shell would have holes at the tips of his fingers to let the claws through. Which he doesn't. So Steel Wool forgot the most important detail about Bonnies Design when actually making his model. Amazing Job, guys /s
Not believing Monty murdered Bonnie is easier when you think about when lore is to obvious it gets denied or ret-conned later The Bite of 87 was believed for so long then randomly its the bite of 83 now
@@buggman6086 yeah NOW it is, but there were countless memes and theories about the bite of 87 , it only got ret-conned to 83 later. I know im not loosing my mind because it was a big disruption in the Fandom when it was corrected later
@@ViktorErikFade no, it’s always was the bite of 83’. In FNAF 4, there’s a semi-rare ad for Fredbare & Friends and on the ad it shows “1983.” There just happened to be a chunk of the community that was unaware of this, but most theorists did know about this secret at the time.
only reason anyone thought it was 87 is cause markiplier didnt really follow the lore closely and got the two dates of the events mixed up in the classic "was that the bite of 87??" clip. so the answer to his question is no. it was not the bite of 87 (which kinda makes it funnier imo), it was the bite of 83. the bite of 87 was always the incident that the phone guy talks about when an employee on the day shift gets his frontal lobe bitten off by one of the animatronics (widely theorised to have been mangle iirc) and then survives.
@@Yote_Yammers in fairness I've heard that part of the game, Mat , and other youtubers forever say 87 until the whole 83 thing So I know for sure it at least isn't just me. We can all just agree that fnaf lore isn't even that concrete to begin with
What I think. 1. If the theory of us playing as Cassie’s dad is true perhaps the what makes you so special line could be indicating that were we their and responsible for starting the beginning of the fazbear horrors during the bite of 83, also if the theory of Cassie’s dad being Jeremy Fitzgerald is also true than he was most likely the victim of the bite of 87 in which he lost his frontal lobe but somehow survived, and if Jeremy was their during the beginning if he was friends with Michael than perhaps he knew Elizabeth and learned what happened to her, he may have also been a technician at circus baby’s entertainment and rental to try and investigate what was happening. 2. Also i was under the belief that Eleanor was just a haunted animatronic with the agony of Elizabeth afton. 3. I’m also under the belief that burntrap is just a mimic variant that glitchtrap uses as a physical host body, also if the books are canon to the games I believe that the body on burntrap is a young man named luca who dies in a springtrap costume with springlocks. 4. I also believe that William afton created glitchtrap by training it off of himself in case anything ever happens to him so their would technically be another version of himself around, then the circuit boards with the glitchtrap virus were found by fazbear entertainment llc and used for many things. 5. Im pretty sure Elizabeth is ginger haired. 6. If it were up to me what I would’ve done with Vanessa and vanny is instead of making them the same person directly I would have Vanny be a digital character (much like glitchtrap and MXES) and have her possess Vanessa’s body through her VANNI mask, that way they would be separate people despite sharing the same body, we would also have Vanessa as a ally and friend to Gregory while unaware that she’s possessed, also vanny would only be able to be in control for 1 hour a day and we still have to play the process quest games to save/free her, but the only way to permanently destroy her is to fully get rid of the glitchtrap virus and destroy her mask.
14:17 No hate intended. But the Mimic is Glitch trap theory is that the chip that contained Afton's consciousness (Glitch Trap) is inserted into the Mimic by Vannessa (fully corrupted by Glitch Trap) and that behavior is like mega inserted into his programming. Other than that solid theory!
14:30 So this is interesting! Glitchtrap came from hardware that Fazbear provided, and the Pizzaplex was built on top of the FNaF 6 location. You know: the location with a giant, amalgamated blob of melted hardware that Henry trapped in an oven. Which *included* Scraptrap, but also included Molten Freddy, Scrap Baby, and apparently the original animatronics too. ... So is *that* what got uploaded to become Glitchtrap? 15:55 and if the Blob includes the original animatronics (or even the Toy ones), then what got uploaded to Glitchtrap is that "shield face with arm" thing *from* Bonnie. That was a telltale coincidence proving everything from that pile became Glitchtrap, because it was an intentional part of Bonnie *and* Glamrock Bonnie. And I mention the Toys because I saw your video about Toy Bonnie and got sad :( Maybe he lives on in Glitchtrap after being uploaded from the Blob's burnt remains
If I’m being really honest, I think we should’ve ignored the books as a whole when it came to character backgrounds, it just muddles things. Often I feel the FNAF community uses the books way too often for things that don’t always fit well, and it leads to confusion and discord when things don’t quite line up in the games, not to mention it perpetuated the idea that Scott is a horrible writer when he hasn’t personally written any of the books as far as I’m aware. So much of the current confusion could be dropped if we just mainly went off what happens in the games and just that, without trying to add in extra character info from the books, it would’ve kept the vibe of the games mysterious and allowed Scott and Steel Wool to drip feed character info when they wanted. Side note, I believe the Candy Cadet story about the woman growing up and facing the witch again is talking about Cassie’s dad. Jeremy once faced glitch trap before as stated in Help Wanted, (and if we go by the theory that he’s the Bonnie Bully, he’s had a history with the franchise as a whole since he was little.) then after the Help Wanted incident he comes back a few years later to fix things up and face the issues happening at the Pizzaplex personally, only for him to end up trapped by Glitch Trap once and for all. All the details fit perfectly aside from gender, which can be dismissed if this story is just a metaphor.
Recently stumbled into your channel, and I have to say I find it very refreshing that you take the time to analyze the way we as an audience interpret lore
“What makes you so special?” (Fnaf kings addition) Matpat: “THEE LOOOOOOOOOORE” Dawko: “one word, Buff… Helpy” Dawktrap: “and me” CG5: “songs” Random Encounters: “MUSICAL” Superhorrorbro and Twisted animatronic: “secrets” and Markiplier: “I AM THE KING OF FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDYS!!!!!!!”
I very much so think you should watch game theories' most recent FNAF theory, the first one without matt, it explains a lot of the things you're wondering about the mimic in a way that made a lot of sense to me, maybe it will to you too! Great video by the way.
Always loved this line in the franchise, great video it's been so good to see you grow over the past like 2 years-ish can't wait for more fantastic content for the next 2....ish years! :)
I feel like I havent seen any creativity come out of the fnaf story jn a long time. We keep dancing around the same events and plots, even if its supposed to help fill in the gaps in the main story its starting to feel stale. The same character under diffrent names, constant return to afton and his family/victims. I feel like the fnaf universe has so much potential for other stories and characters that arent even being considered. We can even look at the other characters involved in the main story like the first 5 victims or any later victims. They all have potential. I dont think it will ever happen but it would be interesting to explore the world of fnaf from a diffrent perspective and with a different focus rather than the killer
Speaking of lore, I wondered about you doing a discussion across each 8-bit sequence across the games, or at the very least, Princess Quest. Eleanor isn't Baby? I can get behind that. Really bugged me through Matpat's '21 Frights coverage where he just outright called her Baby. I'd say she's Frights' equivalent in its weird way, but not much more. I've seen that Fury's Rage silhouette debated to be Sexy Baby or Scrap Baby or maybe some other 3rd thing. While Stage 2 likely foreshadowed 6's Pizza Place under the megaplex, I don't know about this one... In addition to the mushrooms, I also saw the reddish lake compared to Old Man Consequences'. I'll call it a writing oopsie. I'm already getting baffled... What's weird is that Ruin has a totally different hallway before Bonnie Bowl's ice cream storage, rather Vanny's room shown afterwards. (Though what bugs me more is Gator Golf looking lowered down) I more lean on Elizabeth being orange while considering the graphic novel a slip-up (they made Cassidy brown instead of black). On top of that, Foxy bro looks like he has black hair during the Bite, but SL Mike's is brown like CC's. And eyes - Elizabeth's are green, SL Mike's look bluish, CC's was thought to be either of these before the Encyclopedia did brown (though I say it was pulled off of Gregory's model like the knee bandaid). Well, we didn't even have a Circus Baby in SL's office sequences (aside from Ennard). HW2 takes the names of the Puppet Master and Funtime Gang challenges, using the humanoids and Fazbear adjacent characters (plus Chica) leaving Baby with her own thing. I'm already stumped off that explanation. 666 + 87 ...or 83 GF, TOH and Bendy each have 618, 128 and 414, I'm not sure on a three digit number for fnaf... 26:19 Heh, I'm making a big chart like this consisting of 4 Afton's, both Emily's and the Missing 5. The SB column is bound to be a doozy.
I don't think that was its favorite outfit, but the one he was stuck inside of at the end of the books. In the books he seems more into the whole tiger thing. But I wouldn't be shocked if they went for that.
I have an idea: Glitchtrap may be the MIMIC1 Program's reconstruction of "The Purple Guy" by mimicking what is contained within the scrapped robot's scanned metal; their metal containing their Remnant: Remnant contains memories and emotions and, as such, this all mixes together to form "The Afton Amalgamation" if you will, an amalgamation of every victim and every entities' beliefs and memories of William. William himself likely finds a way to attach to it in some way due to either being connected to it, the program realising they're the same guy, or because of it containing some of his own Remnant.
i just watched ur circus baby video a few days ago and i just refreshed yt to find something to watch and saw this got uploaded 9 minutes ago so that was very nice surprise 😁 im excited, ur video on baby was great
This video was a fun watch and definitely hit a lot of points as to why I am stepping away from Fnaf. Lines like this only show how unnecessarily broke and complicated the lore has become that it isn't fun to solve it anymore
This has nothing to do with this video but I still feel like Sun/Moon's body class type still looks like an upgraded version of the Mimic's body class type. Super lanky and slender arms and legs. Similar teeth plates. And are all very flexible and/or can shape shift. The main difference between them is that Sun/Moon's head/face plate is more tablet-like hence why I say it's an upgrade. If it ever came down to the Sun/Moon being built in something's image, I wouldn't be surprised if they were built after the Mimic's body type. There's still a possibility of the Mimic also being from Circus Baby's Pizza World as well and the same goes for Sun/Moon. Who knows 🤷🏽♀️
You're biting sarcasm will never get old 😂 it's very refreshing amongst FNAF UA-camrs and fans alike. A lot of us take the lore real seriously, it deserves to be made fun of once in a while. Also I hardcore relate to 'reluctant clown' 😂
I think an important note about the idea of Mimic learning 'Hide and Seek' from Pizza Party in Help Wanted, is that the SpringbonnieMan (as he's called in the files of the game) that appears in Pizza Party is NOT the Glitchtrap anomaly we have slowly been piecing together with the tapes throughout the rest of the game. The Spring Bonnie that appears in Pizza Party is an actual part of the game and that level. How do I know? Because he's completely whole and visible. At that point in the game when the player is going through Pizza Party, they haven't collected the last tape and Glitchtrap is not whole, hence why he still appears green and odd looking in the hub world, so how could he just magically appear normally in Pizza Party? He can't because that's not him, that's the character the anomaly is taking the form of/copying. I usually think of it this way, the Mimic1 program copied the behavior of the Spring Bonnie character that was meant to be as part of the game in Pizza Party, including its appearence. Thus, Glitchtrap was born. And because I know some people will say it, tape girl mentions she doesn't recognize Glitchtrap when she first sees him during the tapes, so then how could the "SpringbonnieMan" be an actual part of the game if tape girl didn't recognize Glitchtrap when she first encountered him. Well, for starters, Glitchtrap tends to appear in abnormal and glitchy ways majority of the time, and secondly, its because she hadn't gotten to Pizza Party yet, she wasn't that far into the game. She specifically mentions in the tape where she talks about her first encounter with Glitchtrap, she mentions he was looking into the window of the office and 'not like Chica or Bonnie would' meaning that she was only playing the FNAF 1 section when she first encountered him. Pizza Party is a weird mixture of everything in the game just as much as every other level is in the Nightmare mode of Help Wanted. Every level in Nightmare mode is meant to look creepy and abnormal, Pizza Party is no exception. Plus, the games credits and Handunit congratulates us on completing the Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experience only after we have completed Pizza Party, meaning that its meant to be part of the experience. Which makes sense, as its meant to dispel the biggest stain to Fazbear Entertainment's name, the murders of the missing children. I think there is something to be said, its that there is two different Mimics that are terrorizing the Pizzaplex in the books, the program/'virus' and the actually Mimic endo locked in the basement. I pretty sure its a similar situation with the games Mimic, hence why Helpi/Helptrap and Grimic have their little argument in Ruin and why the Mimic endo is around even after Glitchtrap has been squashed. But anyways, thats my two sense.
“what makes you so special?” (Afton siblings addition) Michael: “*sings* im a dead guy walking! im in your yard im a dead guy walkinggg” Evan: “ I…. i have many names given.. and i cry alot? oh im also one half of golden freddy” Elizabeth: “ICE CREAM. and DADDY issues!” Michael: “we all do”
To quote a movie "Me? I'm Circus Baby parading as Moon, Disguised as Mystic Hippo while being inside the head of Vanessa." To think some random line like "What makes you so special." could become this turducken of lore, yesh. As always you did a great job Note!
Honestly, the idea that, instead of William, Elizabeth is the new main villain. Elizabeth being glitchtrap or "malhare" is something I'd never considered before, but I think is a really cool idea that's now plausible to me thanks to this video.
I love your videos, because they're not theories per se, they are mostly scalding criticisms of how this franchise treats its story and characters. Questioning is good. Critical thinking is good. We need more of that.
“what makes you so special?” Missing childrens version (sorry if too much) Cassidy: “REVENGE DUH” Gabriel, Susie, and Fritz: “WE LITERALLY DIED BY AFTON!!” Susie: “i was the first” Jeremy: *fists up* Charlie: “im in the books and games”
Wow, you packed a lot of information in those 26 minutes. Well done on unpacking that web of connections, it's honestly made me reevaluate my own thoughts on this whole thing. You're probably right about the connections stemming from Circus Baby's role being repurposed but I think one of these pieces is not like the others. Although I can definitely see The Mimic being an evolution of some of the ideas around Eleanor, in execution, that endoskeleton is about as far removed from William, Baby or Vanny that you can get. Its AI is purely based on what it's observed and presumably because of this it seems to always be thinking in the present and dealing with its immediate situation. Its shape shifting doesn't rely on illusion discs or remnant, it can just violate the laws of physics to contort its body into whatever shapes its needs and is incredibly modular. The only real aspect of it that's tied to the supernatural is its desire to kill people it comes into contact with. I'll have to take another look at this tomorrow but for now I do wonder if The Mimic is just an attempt to move away from this complex web of connections with agony beings and William's lackeys to a more simple villain, maybe because of Security Breach's troubled development and large scope instead of a retcon or clarification of what Glitchtrap is.
Every time I hear Grimic I just think about that milk shake that was responsible for those mysterious disappearances some time ago. Coincidence? I think not!
Theory: theres no intentional deep lore anymore, they just randomly do stuff and randomly tie it together and let us cook with no end in sight = still theories being made promoting the game in a decade
I think you touched on it lightly in this video. But security breach is unfortunately the worst entry that happened to the lore. because it got rushed, it generated a TON of the weird contradictions and issues that now plague the fanbase as a whole. To the point that they pushed a story patch in the form of ruin. Maybe if it wasn't rushed, things could have been more neatly telegraphed/explained, but alas!
CharlieDroid no.4: What makes you so special? CharlieDroid no.3: I did FIVE push-ups. CharlieDroid no.4: FIVE PUSH-UPS?!!! CharlieDroid no.3: Yep CharlieDroid no.4: Pff, I did SIX push-ups! CharlieDroid no.3: *insert her shock face*
Yeah! I was waiting for this! I was also thinking about this line and seeing other people react and theorize about it made me want a video about it from you lol
I do not envy NotRealNameNotAtAll or anyone else brave enough to delve into modern fnaf lore, like seriously so. After UCN I kinda stopped keeping check of the lore and just went with my gut reactions to stuff, but this video is making me have a headache with how convoluted it is.
I'm just going to posit one thing that nobody seems to be talking about... *MXES is a smiling purple rabbit that controls animatronics and exists only in the digital space. He repeatedly places digital rabbit icons all over and looms over you, even when he could directly attack (send someone to get you) while generally acting creepy. He also is generally antagonistic towards the Mimic and Cassie and is stationed near the Burntrap arena.* I'm not saying Glitchtrap, the other purple digital rabbit, is MXES, and therefore a manifestation of Afton, I'm just saying that it's real odd how MXES has the exact same abilities, behaviors, color scheme, and rabbit motif as him, while Mimic doesn't have any whatsoever.
The Mimic1 is likely an AI that learned from the Funtimes if it wasn't apart of them. In the Funtimes' blueprints, you can see that Foxy and Ballora were made to lure children/parents away for Freddy and Baby to kill them. It also learned about William's evil deeds, and eventually became Glitchtrap. It is the perfect example of "bad data, bad results", which is often said throughout Game Theory's videos on the issue between Glitchtrap and the Mimic. This is supported by the Endo Warehouse level in Help Wanted 2: by matching incorrect scenarios, you're teaching the endo bad data, which could result in casualties related to Fazbear Entertainment if gone unchecked. Helptrap is also this Mimic AI, making both Grimic and the AI the Mimic, but they aren't the same entity, explaining the line when MXES gets temporarily deleted. Another thing, throughout Help Wanted 2, the tips from Helpi on the screen (it is spelled with an "I", this is important) is spelled the same as Helpi in the Vanni network, connecting to Helptrap. Glitchtrap also appears multiple times throughout Help Wanted 2, which could be a coincidence, but those are fairly rare in the FNAF franchise, connecting Helpi, Helptrap, the Mimic, and Glitchtrap further. This is personally what I believe, and it could be wrong, but there is quite a bit of evidence on it.
This is why I’ve slowly distanced myself from FNAF itself and started spending more time with its “fan-made spin-offs.” At least when the writing is bad on The Sun and Moon Show I know enough about what’s going on to actually tell
Well isn't this just a confusing tangle. Thanks for talking about some cool history stuff, even if there's no "goal" in this video. 17:26 Doesn't a therapist explicitly say he made her testify against her mother? 18:37 Did you say "perchance" instead of "penchant"? That's a new one. 22:20 There it is again.
Oh- and because there’s an entire book about how Agony likes to latch onto artificial intelligences and corrupt them. Due to HW2 giving Glitchtrap Afton’s memories, but then said “screw it- Glitchtrap is Helpi now and will be called Helptrap from here on out.” With Helpi appearing next with no Afton persona, but a significant use of purple veins. I believe that since Fazbear used the Mimic1 commonly for story generation, and was confirmed to have removed the salvaged animatronics from FNAF6 prior to Security Breach- why wasn’t the old circuit board junk mentioned by Tape Girl just from Afton’s suit. It was used for pathfinding, which isn’t uniquely mimic- and further more spawned in a weird rabbit entity that didn’t really look like Afton but got the basics right- whole still retaining the mimic tears, drool, and felt costume getup(not to mention it speaks in Tape Girl’s slowed down voice). So yea- maybe just Mimic and Afton can coexist until HW2 happens, when the memories making the Mimic Glitchtrap got destroyed by Jeremy, and his persona was crushed by Vanny?
The lore in the games alone is honestly kinda wild it’s changed so much with the newest add ons when we thought we had figured everything out more came out so we all tried fitting it in to make more sense.
Interesting, (also cool fact I found someone on reddit who got the moon beckoning animation so I think it’s just really rare ), I wonder how folks would perceive my ideas for the story
I love your videos soooo much!!! You have such an awesome voice!! :D :D
You're one of my favorite FNAF youtubers!
(Oh also, can I please be pinned?)
Same!
Pinned!
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Awesome!
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Your the best!!!! Thanks so much for pinning me! :D
He did it...
The Daycare Attendant took on the role of Fem Fatale and Tumblr SexyClown to free Circus Baby from its shackles, a truly selfless act.
Pretty sure vanny did that
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SO REAL‼️‼️‼️
Daycare Attendant has my respect just for freeing Circus Baby.
If I had a nickel for everytime a hippo animatronic shared a lore relevent line with other animatronics id have 2 nickels which isnt alot but its weird its happened twice
Doc doof I need this quote more often
No you don't @@LillieCornelius-fd8hc
mr. hippo had some lore relevant lines? i thought everything he said was fluff lol
@@deamonseadI’m not sure abt help wanted but his only lore line in ucn was “sometimes a story is just a story”
@Maddengod-bh8zzit’s from phineas and ferb
Chaos Theory: Mimic, Burntrap, and Glitchtrap are all independent wills and identities with their own goals. Mimic trying to just replace whoever it sees as the most influential, Burntrap being the remains of Afton's agony trying to reclaim life again and possibly the soul of Afton, Glitchtrap being created by the cognitive pattern of afton who now wants to move on to just playing god because he now has his immortality and wants control of everything?
This seems pretty cool
Okay but why does this sound much better than whatever is going on now 😭😭😭
@@Lustfullynova
Because the story is actually several animateonic parts in a trench coat selling fake CDs by the dollar store
Nobody knows what's happening because it's more fun to yank random puzzle pieces out of different boxes to construct our own personal narratives
Honestly? This seems like one of the best theories I've seen
@@Squishy_the_fox 0 Evidence from me, just fanfiction-esque characterization expansion. But if true, nice.
"You're William Afton, he's William Afton, _I'm_ William Afton... Are there any other Aftons I should know about!?" ~ Vanessa, probably
vanessa and afton, afton, afton, afton, afton and afton
@@mzitz Vanessa and Will, Bill, William, Billiam, Willy, Billy, Liam, Mr. Afton and Michael and Evan, oh my
@@JDM-is-my-name so many aftons..
@@mzitz I even forgot Elizabeth, so add one more!
@@JDM-is-my-name dont forget purple guy, man behind the slaughter and the purple guy animatronic hoax
"And this ladies and gentlemen is why fnaf lore feels like a fever dream. Welcome to fazbear hell population 666 and they're all spawn of afton" is quite litterally the best way to describe fnaf lore. I tried thorising and couldn't take it. It's so confusing and we don't really get anything confirmed half the things we think we know could ALL be wrong in some way and its painful. It'll drive you insane. Look at what poor matpat went through. (Also that line was hilarious and so true to todays current lore since security breach"
Eleanor is just the mimics drag persona
@Wind_BlazeThis made me chuckle
cant wait to see Eleanor vogue
@@bugginonthewall Ra katta kak kak pow 💥
😂😂😂
Naw that's Jackie
25:00
“Suffering daughter, Fem Fatal. Tragic duplicate stuck pretending…”
*“Clown.”*
Delivery made me laugh, idk. Love my clowns.
A lot of speculation being that the father of Cassie is supposed to be the Bonnie masked individual in the bite of 83 minigame which could make sense so I was very interested to see what you had to say cause this line came out of no where and having 3 characters say it is so strange. It is just like fnaf to have such a line make the fanbase go in shambles trying to figure out what it means lol.
Can’t wait for the next one
Yeah, I was really hoping she'd talk about that.
But, her going really hard on the other connections (especially to Circus Baby) was fascinating. Never knew about half of these. Good stuff.
Don't forget that in Princess Quest 4, there's an Easter egg that if you light the graves in a specific order, an area is revealed with a chest. Inside the chest is a worn-down Bonnie mask.
@@OriginRatious Even better is the text that displays next to it, "This looks familiar."
@@Takejiro24 Exactly!
For me personally the lore has left the original idea of ghost kids forced to poses cold machines in an effort to one day catch their evil killer so far behind, that now days the only lore I need focuses on is dumb main characters like book Carlton and movie mike doing dumb things and somehow surviving and winning. X)
Probably because the newer theories are more of a nothing burger, none of them are interesting in the slightest, you can tell that very easily by how much talk about the older games take up a theory video, the only thing you can make with the new lore is just guesses of what's gonna happen next and then how much the "new story" rewrites the old lore.
You would benefit from some punctuation ngl.
Edit: That sounds rude sorry, I just genuinely struggled to read your comment due to the lack of punctuation lmao.
@@ThemightyTelevisionyeah it’s tough when we don’t get much to work with in the newer games
@@bellslimes I blame 'em for it, instead of just making a normal reboot like everyone else does they're trying to slowly rewrite the history of fnaf as slow as they can.
@@ThemightyTelevision true
Baby was so good a character fnaf can't help but try recreating and replacing and rewriting her over and over and over again...
"My sources are clean, so let's make this as messy as possible" is my new favorite quote and I am going to do my best to live by it
(11:13)
CharlieDroid no.4: So, what makes you so special?
CharlieDroid no.3: I’m the main character.
CharlieDroid no.4: What?
CharlieDroid no.3: I’m the main character!
CharlieDroid no.4: Wha? What are you even saying?
CharlieDroid no.3: I’M THE MAIN CHARACTER!!!
CharlieDroid no.4: You’re not even explaining it, I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Either you explain or zip it you not so special Android.
CharlieDroid no.3: Ouch :(
And she springlocked William.
I guess you can say that Charliebot3 broke the Fourthcharliebot wall
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Yee!
CharlieDroid no.4: What makes you so special?
Charlie Droid no.3: I'VE BEEN DOING SIT-UPS!
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Am I the only one who likes that line despite the fact that it’s kinda cheesy. (I guess)
Legit fascinated by this - I can totally imagine there being a plan to have Eleanor cross from the books to the games, and for her to be Vanny. I've seen other theories involving the visual effects that we see when she's around that could imply the illusion disc... but then, because nothing really comes of it, it seems kinda pointless. But if the idea was that she was actually going to be Eleanor, it'd kinda make sense.
Obviously the big problem here is that connecting a game that felt like a soft reboot of the franchise to a bunch of books most people won't have read is going to be confusing for most people, so if this was the idea, I think ditching it was definitely the right call.
Based on the stuff with Bonnie and Glitchtrap you pointed out:
What if Glitchtrap first took over Bonnie as Burntrap 1.0, but ended up getting caught doing something shady by Monty, a struggle ensued leading to Bonnie’s demise. Vanny covers it up because she needs to keep the whole Glitchtrap thing on the DL, especially if the all staff meeting hasn’t occurred yet. This would allow for the Monty redemption some people are looking for without an elaborate frame job that just gets covered up anyway. Instead it was self defense, but they still need to cover it up. Monty’s moodiness is then a kind of guilt for benefitting from an accident he wish never happened.
I like this a lot! I think it gives both Bonnie and Monty a lot of depth that they just… aren’t provided by the common fandom narrative. I do always like to note that the room Bonnie was found in included a static ball rack (meaning, the balls on the rack had to have been there since Bonnie was hidden, unless Vanny was in the room later and decided to add/remove bowling balls, for some reason) and one of the bowling balls was of Monty… using his glamrock design (including the glasses). Which, to me, implies that even if Monty killed Bonnie, he was already in the band at the time. Whether he’d replaced Bonnie or was just added as a fifth member is obviously unknown. I think that really kinda gets rid of his motivation if you look at it from the “cold blooded killer” angle, so I really like the idea that it was a mercy kill or to keep Glitchtrap from spreading!
That is exactly the thought I had looking at this storyline. Because if Bonnie was merely an innocent bystander and had no strings attached, then the staff could chalk up Bonnie getting broken as merely being an accident, and then he can get either fixed up or fitted a new endoskeleton. After all, all those endoskeletons have to have a purpose rather than just a gameplay obstacle.
But the reason why they don’t do that, and have Monty replace him instead, could hint that Bonnie was indeed sinister. Whether Vanessa/ Vanny tried to hide the evidence, or the staff saw something themselves, it’s hard to say. Needless to say, every time Fazbear Entertainment removes a character from the public eye, it’s mostly down to either a fatal accident or being outwardly hostile to the public (see Fredbear and the Toys).
Foxy from FNAF 1 is known for being tatty and broken, but he’s still kept around despite that. Mangle is in a far worse shape than any other animatronic, but because it doesn’t harm anyone (until the ending of FNAF 2), its kept around.
It would also give more weight to both Vanny and Bonnie’s involvement in the story rather than just “obligatory bunny that only looks important but actually isn’t”
Also, a more joking side note, it was Bonnie was wandering around by himself in the middle of the night and entering at Monty Golf at 4am, not Monty breaking into Bonnie Bowl to axe him off. Monty could probably see that as a home invasion in the early hours of the morning, as he doesn’t have a dressing room to live in.
Hearing the who mimic mimics speculations is at this point making me fear the next game is gonna reveal that the glitch trap virus predates William and jus like, he was the first infected or smth. Just switcheroo who came first to go "Seeeee? Didn't expect this did you?"
Don't say that, they are hearing you.
15:17 To be honest, fnaf theorizing and most recent editions to fnaf lore in general feel like that.
"But why did I have the bowl Scott?! Why did I have the bowl?!"
This is so true lmao
This is so true lmao
Circus Baby's Most IConic Scene was when she was in the BackgroundInside of A Pod of a factory,
In Fury's Rage.
The Reason for this, was
"What the Clown Doin?"
But Seriously What's she Doing in Fury's Rage?
It's Something I Don't hear Much people Talk about.
It’s like the SpongeBob meme, “is anybody else here an Afton or Afton inspired?”
If they didnt use Baby for every other plotline, they'd be better.
They didn't
Eleanor and The Mimic are not baby
Daycare attendants were just theatre bots thanks to Bobbiedots.
The connections she makes in this video is just her concealing evidence to show the false perspective.
@@SchoolNotes-n7x Elanor and Mimic are filling similar roles to baby, thus putting them into question as to wether or not they ARE the same character. Daycare Attendent is a bit of a stretch, but the line of "what makes you so special", the jeckle and hyde personality shift he shares with vanessa, and his actual conmections to Vannyin Help wanted 2 are solid enough. She's pointing out connections and saying how these complicate the story, because they are all over the place, yet are similar to the small clues we scrutinized in the classic era of fnaf to solve it's mysteries. Just a bit of thought.
Edit:Also, concealing what evidence? What perspective? That Fnaf is a complicated spagetti mess of lore?
@@IronVigilante451 Eleanor in Frights fills a different role, if anything she is similiar to Shadow Freddy.
The Mimic kills because its copying a killer and following the orders unintentionally. Baby does not fit both of thee characters.
Because she didn't mention the part where Eleanor is made from the Missing Children's Agony or the fact that Mimic is indeed Glitchtrap (confirmed in HW2). She also pretty much didn't mention the part where "Eleanor" we see in Frights is just an outer shell, her real apperance is basically black goo tentacle monster
Now let's see, do they both follow the Circus baby's story?
@@SchoolNotes-n7x Elanor mimics and kills like Mimic. Shadow Freddy doesnt do anything aside from lure kids. Baby and Elanor share similar orgins. Also, the tendrel thing could relate to Nightmarrione, which links to charlie, then to Fourth closet Baby. Baby's shtick in SL is her pretending to kill mike. This is all to say, that Baby and her variations are causing confusion, wether its in frights, silver eyes, or even the main games.
@@IronVigilante451 Eleanor doesn't mimic anyone, she uses a disguise of the pendant but thats preet much it. Shadow Freddy tortures Mike in fnaf4.
Ok, this episode to me was the funniest thing you've made so far, aside from maybe the Smooching guide. Your writing is witty, you hit all the beats actually reading it all out, add a bit of improv here and there and it's just so great, I burst out laughing multiple times. Other than that, the theories themselves were also pretty great! I genuinely hope the connections are simply correlated to the writers making actual separate characters with their own traits instead of dumping every possible trait into Baby and calling it a day. I'd like Baby to just be herself like she's in Help Wanted 2 and others to be all those other things she got turned into. Overall amazing work ^w^
Listening to this while I play Street Fighter 6 (your voice is really soothing and that game stresses me out sometimes, haha), and I feel like Baby has some of the coolest lines in this entire series.
Thank you so much! 😊And honestly, I agree. While I'm not crazy about Book Baby, she does have a few lines that really hit.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Game Baby: Giant clown that “just wants to talk” with you, instead of killing you
Book Baby: literally feels like fnaf tried to make metal sonic !
Baby for Street Fighter DLC confirmed?
Most if not all of the problems in the fnaf lore are caused by theorizing lol. To a certain extent of course but the idea that there's always SOMETHING hidden in the shadows that has gone unnoticed to everyone and trying ever so desperately to use it to explain SOMETHING unsolved is what really drove the fnaf lore to break. I think it's more worth while to just... wait until Scott or Steel Wool drop some more information on the current lore rather than speculating purely for the sake of it lmao. Love your vids though! They're always insanely thought provoking which is surprisingly rare nowadays :)
People wanting to know every minor detail is what broke it, in my eyes, dream theory was the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because it started the beginning of the end, it quickly overshadowed any other theory at the time and people for some reason saw no other choice but to force Scott to give every detail about the story after that because of how vague fnaf 4 was, despite that being the point of the game, many failed to see it.
Now fnaf has been rebooted twice now, people still fail to see it, because everyone still tries to connect the first timeline with the second timeline and the third.
Sadly everyone wants on that theory hype train. Gotta get them views with "HIDDEN FNAF SECRETS?!". Everyone wants a piece of the pie.
@@Caragoner everyone wants to be the one to carry the theory scene on their back, and that's their biggest problem, they try too hard.
GOOD LORD I had trouble understanding everything, that is indeed quite the tangle of messes and repetitions. I mean, as you said, the writers are probably just reuising characters traits that Baby had beforehand, but at this point it just causes wayyy too many complications. For any other series it could've just be agreed upon as it being simply referencing, or lazy writing, but considering that Fnaf is all about finding lore in the details, of course people are going to try proving direct connections from obvious similarities.
But great vid as always, stil!
20:06 Ngl some Fnaf Fashion Review would be kinda fun, now that I think about it
I really hate the books cuz literally anything is possible in the books. Theres illusion disks and robots and fazgoo and remnant stuff and that means making theory of the games using the books almost impossible because any question can be explained by a random thing that a character does in the books.
And time traveling ball pits. Don't forget that.
Everytime you mention the Mimic, I think of that one Mimic meme. (That died a long time ago)
15:47 Completely unrelated to the actual video topic but this is something about Glam Bonnie that's bothered me ever since we first saw him:
*WHERE ARE HIS CLAWS?*
It's the ONE thing about his design that we were given before he was fully revealed and played a relatively large part in theories surrounding him and his deminse so why oh why does he just straight up not have claws in Ruin and HW2?? You can't even argue that they took Bonnies endo hands directly and put them onto Monty since he 1) clearly still has his endo skeleton underneath his hands and 2) even if, for SOME REASON, they replaced his endo hands with a different, equally broken pair just to put them onto a broken Bot, his exoskeleton aka shell would have holes at the tips of his fingers to let the claws through. Which he doesn't.
So Steel Wool forgot the most important detail about Bonnies Design when actually making his model. Amazing Job, guys /s
Not believing Monty murdered Bonnie is easier when you think about when lore is to obvious it gets denied or ret-conned later
The Bite of 87 was believed for so long then randomly its the bite of 83 now
The bite of 83 has always been the Bite of 83. There’s always been a difference.
@@buggman6086 yeah NOW it is, but there were countless memes and theories about the bite of 87 , it only got ret-conned to 83 later. I know im not loosing my mind because it was a big disruption in the Fandom when it was corrected later
@@ViktorErikFade no, it’s always was the bite of 83’.
In FNAF 4, there’s a semi-rare ad for Fredbare & Friends and on the ad it shows “1983.”
There just happened to be a chunk of the community that was unaware of this, but most theorists did know about this secret at the time.
only reason anyone thought it was 87 is cause markiplier didnt really follow the lore closely and got the two dates of the events mixed up in the classic "was that the bite of 87??" clip. so the answer to his question is no. it was not the bite of 87 (which kinda makes it funnier imo), it was the bite of 83. the bite of 87 was always the incident that the phone guy talks about when an employee on the day shift gets his frontal lobe bitten off by one of the animatronics (widely theorised to have been mangle iirc) and then survives.
@@Yote_Yammers in fairness I've heard that part of the game, Mat , and other youtubers forever say 87 until the whole 83 thing
So I know for sure it at least isn't just me.
We can all just agree that fnaf lore isn't even that concrete to begin with
I would have liked that more characters said it. Maybe it's more important that some characters say it and others don't
1:00 I appreciate the usage of a Danganronpa nonstop debate font here lol. Encapsulates so much about truth and lies.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Hello there!
General RevanKnight
@@captainet2457
/:) your move.
You are a bold one!
@@azimuddin1890I’ll handle this commenter slime myself
Hello there.
YESSS I DIDN’T MISS IT TO BADLY, I’VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARDS TOO THIS FOR AWHILE
3:00 clean line
What I think.
1. If the theory of us playing as Cassie’s dad is true perhaps the what makes you so special line could be indicating that were we their and responsible for starting the beginning of the fazbear horrors during the bite of 83, also if the theory of Cassie’s dad being Jeremy Fitzgerald is also true than he was most likely the victim of the bite of 87 in which he lost his frontal lobe but somehow survived, and if Jeremy was their during the beginning if he was friends with Michael than perhaps he knew Elizabeth and learned what happened to her, he may have also been a technician at circus baby’s entertainment and rental to try and investigate what was happening.
2. Also i was under the belief that Eleanor was just a haunted animatronic with the agony of Elizabeth afton.
3. I’m also under the belief that burntrap is just a mimic variant that glitchtrap uses as a physical host body, also if the books are canon to the games I believe that the body on burntrap is a young man named luca who dies in a springtrap costume with springlocks.
4. I also believe that William afton created glitchtrap by training it off of himself in case anything ever happens to him so their would technically be another version of himself around, then the circuit boards with the glitchtrap virus were found by fazbear entertainment llc and used for many things.
5. Im pretty sure Elizabeth is ginger haired.
6. If it were up to me what I would’ve done with Vanessa and vanny is instead of making them the same person directly I would have Vanny be a digital character (much like glitchtrap and MXES) and have her possess Vanessa’s body through her VANNI mask, that way they would be separate people despite sharing the same body, we would also have Vanessa as a ally and friend to Gregory while unaware that she’s possessed, also vanny would only be able to be in control for 1 hour a day and we still have to play the process quest games to save/free her, but the only way to permanently destroy her is to fully get rid of the glitchtrap virus and destroy her mask.
14:17 No hate intended. But the Mimic is Glitch trap theory is that the chip that contained Afton's consciousness (Glitch Trap) is inserted into the Mimic by Vannessa (fully corrupted by Glitch Trap) and that behavior is like mega inserted into his programming. Other than that solid theory!
14:30 So this is interesting! Glitchtrap came from hardware that Fazbear provided, and the Pizzaplex was built on top of the FNaF 6 location.
You know: the location with a giant, amalgamated blob of melted hardware that Henry trapped in an oven.
Which *included* Scraptrap, but also included Molten Freddy, Scrap Baby, and apparently the original animatronics too.
... So is *that* what got uploaded to become Glitchtrap?
15:55 and if the Blob includes the original animatronics (or even the Toy ones), then what got uploaded to Glitchtrap is that "shield face with arm" thing *from* Bonnie. That was a telltale coincidence proving everything from that pile became Glitchtrap, because it was an intentional part of Bonnie *and* Glamrock Bonnie.
And I mention the Toys because I saw your video about Toy Bonnie and got sad :( Maybe he lives on in Glitchtrap after being uploaded from the Blob's burnt remains
If I’m being really honest, I think we should’ve ignored the books as a whole when it came to character backgrounds, it just muddles things. Often I feel the FNAF community uses the books way too often for things that don’t always fit well, and it leads to confusion and discord when things don’t quite line up in the games, not to mention it perpetuated the idea that Scott is a horrible writer when he hasn’t personally written any of the books as far as I’m aware. So much of the current confusion could be dropped if we just mainly went off what happens in the games and just that, without trying to add in extra character info from the books, it would’ve kept the vibe of the games mysterious and allowed Scott and Steel Wool to drip feed character info when they wanted.
Side note, I believe the Candy Cadet story about the woman growing up and facing the witch again is talking about Cassie’s dad. Jeremy once faced glitch trap before as stated in Help Wanted, (and if we go by the theory that he’s the Bonnie Bully, he’s had a history with the franchise as a whole since he was little.) then after the Help Wanted incident he comes back a few years later to fix things up and face the issues happening at the Pizzaplex personally, only for him to end up trapped by Glitch Trap once and for all. All the details fit perfectly aside from gender, which can be dismissed if this story is just a metaphor.
Recently stumbled into your channel, and I have to say I find it very refreshing that you take the time to analyze the way we as an audience interpret lore
“What makes you so special?” (Fnaf kings addition)
Matpat: “THEE LOOOOOOOOOORE”
Dawko: “one word, Buff… Helpy” Dawktrap: “and me”
CG5: “songs”
Random Encounters: “MUSICAL”
Superhorrorbro and Twisted animatronic: “secrets”
and Markiplier: “I AM THE KING OF FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDYS!!!!!!!”
Im a simple gal, i see the daycare attendant and i click (im also interested in the video itself i swear-)
Are you trying to make your way through the universe like Jango Fett from Star Wars?
I very much so think you should watch game theories' most recent FNAF theory, the first one without matt, it explains a lot of the things you're wondering about the mimic in a way that made a lot of sense to me, maybe it will to you too! Great video by the way.
26:24 - That little chuckle right there! It was so cute, definitly the best part of the vid. Made my entire day
Always loved this line in the franchise, great video it's been so good to see you grow over the past like 2 years-ish can't wait for more fantastic content for the next 2....ish years! :)
Also man. I do love it when they cut things that would potentially answer questions. In every game theyve made
I feel like I havent seen any creativity come out of the fnaf story jn a long time. We keep dancing around the same events and plots, even if its supposed to help fill in the gaps in the main story its starting to feel stale. The same character under diffrent names, constant return to afton and his family/victims. I feel like the fnaf universe has so much potential for other stories and characters that arent even being considered. We can even look at the other characters involved in the main story like the first 5 victims or any later victims. They all have potential. I dont think it will ever happen but it would be interesting to explore the world of fnaf from a diffrent perspective and with a different focus rather than the killer
I don't know newer FNAF lore at all, but watching this was a blast.
WE FINDING OUR NEW MATPAT WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️ 🔥🔥🔥
Real
. . . Someone with Just as much Halters AS followers whos theories get regarded AS disproven Just by the merit of WHO voiced them?!
@@SingingSealRiana eh?
Speaking of lore, I wondered about you doing a discussion across each 8-bit sequence across the games, or at the very least, Princess Quest.
Eleanor isn't Baby? I can get behind that. Really bugged me through Matpat's '21 Frights coverage where he just outright called her Baby. I'd say she's Frights' equivalent in its weird way, but not much more.
I've seen that Fury's Rage silhouette debated to be Sexy Baby or Scrap Baby or maybe some other 3rd thing. While Stage 2 likely foreshadowed 6's Pizza Place under the megaplex, I don't know about this one...
In addition to the mushrooms, I also saw the reddish lake compared to Old Man Consequences'.
I'll call it a writing oopsie.
I'm already getting baffled...
What's weird is that Ruin has a totally different hallway before Bonnie Bowl's ice cream storage, rather Vanny's room shown afterwards. (Though what bugs me more is Gator Golf looking lowered down)
I more lean on Elizabeth being orange while considering the graphic novel a slip-up (they made Cassidy brown instead of black). On top of that, Foxy bro looks like he has black hair during the Bite, but SL Mike's is brown like CC's. And eyes - Elizabeth's are green, SL Mike's look bluish, CC's was thought to be either of these before the Encyclopedia did brown (though I say it was pulled off of Gregory's model like the knee bandaid).
Well, we didn't even have a Circus Baby in SL's office sequences (aside from Ennard). HW2 takes the names of the Puppet Master and Funtime Gang challenges, using the humanoids and Fazbear adjacent characters (plus Chica) leaving Baby with her own thing.
I'm already stumped off that explanation.
666 + 87 ...or 83 GF, TOH and Bendy each have 618, 128 and 414, I'm not sure on a three digit number for fnaf...
26:19 Heh, I'm making a big chart like this consisting of 4 Afton's, both Emily's and the Missing 5. The SB column is bound to be a doozy.
I thought they were hinting at the mimic being Baby or vice versa because apparently its favourite outfit is a jester clown...
I don't think that was its favorite outfit, but the one he was stuck inside of at the end of the books. In the books he seems more into the whole tiger thing. But I wouldn't be shocked if they went for that.
I feel like this is gonna hint towards the mimic being Ennard and if that happens i think i might
11:52 the picture here is scary
MatPat has been real quiet since this dropped🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yeah, cause he’s not working on youtube anymore. And this came put like 6 minutes ago
This made me laugh for real
@@Good_luck_. /woooosh
@@Good_luck_. he still is active on one channel
Damn shame he has a family to take care of eh?
i love ur vids bc i love how you place an emphasis on story n charters- keep up the good work
I have an idea:
Glitchtrap may be the MIMIC1 Program's reconstruction of "The Purple Guy" by mimicking what is contained within the scrapped robot's scanned metal; their metal containing their Remnant: Remnant contains memories and emotions and, as such, this all mixes together to form "The Afton Amalgamation" if you will, an amalgamation of every victim and every entities' beliefs and memories of William.
William himself likely finds a way to attach to it in some way due to either being connected to it, the program realising they're the same guy, or because of it containing some of his own Remnant.
the title hooked me in, cant wait for another 2 hour video essay
I should not have watched this in bed right before going to sleep, I'm just confused now. I'll rewatch this in the morning.
Can't believe this video ended the Kendrick Drake beef
i just watched ur circus baby video a few days ago and i just refreshed yt to find something to watch and saw this got uploaded 9 minutes ago so that was very nice surprise 😁 im excited, ur video on baby was great
Thank you! 8D
This video was a fun watch and definitely hit a lot of points as to why I am stepping away from Fnaf. Lines like this only show how unnecessarily broke and complicated the lore has become that it isn't fun to solve it anymore
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This part feels like an old UA-cam video, but with more high definition.
This has nothing to do with this video but I still feel like Sun/Moon's body class type still looks like an upgraded version of the Mimic's body class type. Super lanky and slender arms and legs. Similar teeth plates. And are all very flexible and/or can shape shift. The main difference between them is that Sun/Moon's head/face plate is more tablet-like hence why I say it's an upgrade. If it ever came down to the Sun/Moon being built in something's image, I wouldn't be surprised if they were built after the Mimic's body type. There's still a possibility of the Mimic also being from Circus Baby's Pizza World as well and the same goes for Sun/Moon. Who knows 🤷🏽♀️
You're biting sarcasm will never get old 😂 it's very refreshing amongst FNAF UA-camrs and fans alike. A lot of us take the lore real seriously, it deserves to be made fun of once in a while.
Also I hardcore relate to 'reluctant clown' 😂
I think an important note about the idea of Mimic learning 'Hide and Seek' from Pizza Party in Help Wanted, is that the SpringbonnieMan (as he's called in the files of the game) that appears in Pizza Party is NOT the Glitchtrap anomaly we have slowly been piecing together with the tapes throughout the rest of the game. The Spring Bonnie that appears in Pizza Party is an actual part of the game and that level. How do I know? Because he's completely whole and visible. At that point in the game when the player is going through Pizza Party, they haven't collected the last tape and Glitchtrap is not whole, hence why he still appears green and odd looking in the hub world, so how could he just magically appear normally in Pizza Party? He can't because that's not him, that's the character the anomaly is taking the form of/copying.
I usually think of it this way, the Mimic1 program copied the behavior of the Spring Bonnie character that was meant to be as part of the game in Pizza Party, including its appearence. Thus, Glitchtrap was born.
And because I know some people will say it, tape girl mentions she doesn't recognize Glitchtrap when she first sees him during the tapes, so then how could the "SpringbonnieMan" be an actual part of the game if tape girl didn't recognize Glitchtrap when she first encountered him. Well, for starters, Glitchtrap tends to appear in abnormal and glitchy ways majority of the time, and secondly, its because she hadn't gotten to Pizza Party yet, she wasn't that far into the game. She specifically mentions in the tape where she talks about her first encounter with Glitchtrap, she mentions he was looking into the window of the office and 'not like Chica or Bonnie would' meaning that she was only playing the FNAF 1 section when she first encountered him.
Pizza Party is a weird mixture of everything in the game just as much as every other level is in the Nightmare mode of Help Wanted. Every level in Nightmare mode is meant to look creepy and abnormal, Pizza Party is no exception. Plus, the games credits and Handunit congratulates us on completing the Freddy Fazbear Virtual Experience only after we have completed Pizza Party, meaning that its meant to be part of the experience. Which makes sense, as its meant to dispel the biggest stain to Fazbear Entertainment's name, the murders of the missing children.
I think there is something to be said, its that there is two different Mimics that are terrorizing the Pizzaplex in the books, the program/'virus' and the actually Mimic endo locked in the basement. I pretty sure its a similar situation with the games Mimic, hence why Helpi/Helptrap and Grimic have their little argument in Ruin and why the Mimic endo is around even after Glitchtrap has been squashed.
But anyways, thats my two sense.
I love the song you played during your wrap up section it's so soothing and relaxing , I love listening to your breakdowns
“what makes you so special?” (Afton siblings addition)
Michael: “*sings* im a dead guy walking! im in your yard im a dead guy walkinggg”
Evan: “ I…. i have many names given.. and i cry alot? oh im also one half of golden freddy”
Elizabeth: “ICE CREAM. and DADDY issues!”
Michael: “we all do”
To quote a movie
"Me? I'm Circus Baby parading as Moon, Disguised as Mystic Hippo while being inside the head of Vanessa."
To think some random line like "What makes you so special." could become this turducken of lore, yesh.
As always you did a great job Note!
Call it creativity, call it nonsense, this is the FNAF lore for ya.
this is so damn complicated. I love that.
Honestly, the idea that, instead of William, Elizabeth is the new main villain. Elizabeth being glitchtrap or "malhare" is something I'd never considered before, but I think is a really cool idea that's now plausible to me thanks to this video.
I love your videos, because they're not theories per se, they are mostly scalding criticisms of how this franchise treats its story and characters. Questioning is good. Critical thinking is good. We need more of that.
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I’ve never been more proud on how you summarized F.N.A.F as a whole :,)
Trusting the Character encyclopedia is like trusting Wikipedia. I mean, the damn thing says that Nightmare Foxy was in UCN.
The main problem is that none of this was ever planned out, so any details that one might think could be important, is or was nothing at all.
“what makes you so special?” Missing childrens version (sorry if too much)
Cassidy: “REVENGE DUH”
Gabriel, Susie, and Fritz: “WE LITERALLY DIED BY AFTON!!” Susie: “i was the first”
Jeremy: *fists up*
Charlie: “im in the books and games”
Wow, you packed a lot of information in those 26 minutes. Well done on unpacking that web of connections, it's honestly made me reevaluate my own thoughts on this whole thing.
You're probably right about the connections stemming from Circus Baby's role being repurposed but I think one of these pieces is not like the others. Although I can definitely see The Mimic being an evolution of some of the ideas around Eleanor, in execution, that endoskeleton is about as far removed from William, Baby or Vanny that you can get. Its AI is purely based on what it's observed and presumably because of this it seems to always be thinking in the present and dealing with its immediate situation. Its shape shifting doesn't rely on illusion discs or remnant, it can just violate the laws of physics to contort its body into whatever shapes its needs and is incredibly modular. The only real aspect of it that's tied to the supernatural is its desire to kill people it comes into contact with.
I'll have to take another look at this tomorrow but for now I do wonder if The Mimic is just an attempt to move away from this complex web of connections with agony beings and William's lackeys to a more simple villain, maybe because of Security Breach's troubled development and large scope instead of a retcon or clarification of what Glitchtrap is.
NGL the vanny posing and curves was very informative
Every time I hear Grimic I just think about that milk shake that was responsible for those mysterious disappearances some time ago. Coincidence? I think not!
Theory: theres no intentional deep lore anymore, they just randomly do stuff and randomly tie it together and let us cook with no end in sight = still theories being made promoting the game in a decade
I think you touched on it lightly in this video. But security breach is unfortunately the worst entry that happened to the lore. because it got rushed, it generated a TON of the weird contradictions and issues that now plague the fanbase as a whole. To the point that they pushed a story patch in the form of ruin.
Maybe if it wasn't rushed, things could have been more neatly telegraphed/explained, but alas!
worst? what about fnaf 4
I wasn’t expecting mimicseption 😅 awesome video
Things would be so easy if Fnaf was directed by Micheal Bay
This is like the millionth time something broke the lore.
You know who else was made so special? Joey Peeps
May he rest in peace..
CharlieDroid no.4: What makes you so special?
CharlieDroid no.3: I did FIVE push-ups.
CharlieDroid no.4: FIVE PUSH-UPS?!!!
CharlieDroid no.3: Yep
CharlieDroid no.4: Pff, I did SIX push-ups!
CharlieDroid no.3: *insert her shock face*
Yeah! I was waiting for this! I was also thinking about this line and seeing other people react and theorize about it made me want a video about it from you lol
I do not envy NotRealNameNotAtAll or anyone else brave enough to delve into modern fnaf lore, like seriously so. After UCN I kinda stopped keeping check of the lore and just went with my gut reactions to stuff, but this video is making me have a headache with how convoluted it is.
I'm just going to posit one thing that nobody seems to be talking about...
*MXES is a smiling purple rabbit that controls animatronics and exists only in the digital space. He repeatedly places digital rabbit icons all over and looms over you, even when he could directly attack (send someone to get you) while generally acting creepy. He also is generally antagonistic towards the Mimic and Cassie and is stationed near the Burntrap arena.*
I'm not saying Glitchtrap, the other purple digital rabbit, is MXES, and therefore a manifestation of Afton, I'm just saying that it's real odd how MXES has the exact same abilities, behaviors, color scheme, and rabbit motif as him, while Mimic doesn't have any whatsoever.
The Mimic1 is likely an AI that learned from the Funtimes if it wasn't apart of them. In the Funtimes' blueprints, you can see that Foxy and Ballora were made to lure children/parents away for Freddy and Baby to kill them. It also learned about William's evil deeds, and eventually became Glitchtrap. It is the perfect example of "bad data, bad results", which is often said throughout Game Theory's videos on the issue between Glitchtrap and the Mimic. This is supported by the Endo Warehouse level in Help Wanted 2: by matching incorrect scenarios, you're teaching the endo bad data, which could result in casualties related to Fazbear Entertainment if gone unchecked. Helptrap is also this Mimic AI, making both Grimic and the AI the Mimic, but they aren't the same entity, explaining the line when MXES gets temporarily deleted. Another thing, throughout Help Wanted 2, the tips from Helpi on the screen (it is spelled with an "I", this is important) is spelled the same as Helpi in the Vanni network, connecting to Helptrap. Glitchtrap also appears multiple times throughout Help Wanted 2, which could be a coincidence, but those are fairly rare in the FNAF franchise, connecting Helpi, Helptrap, the Mimic, and Glitchtrap further. This is personally what I believe, and it could be wrong, but there is quite a bit of evidence on it.
What makes me SPECIAL?
Strength
Perception
Endurance
Charisma
Intelligence
Agility
Luck
I havent kept up on fnaf lore sense the 4th game and I am so SO lost on what the lore has turned in to😭
This is why I’ve slowly distanced myself from FNAF itself and started spending more time with its “fan-made spin-offs.” At least when the writing is bad on The Sun and Moon Show I know enough about what’s going on to actually tell
Hello meep
*Funfact: Vanny was also cut down so much in Help Wanted 2 and there is references to the Mimic in it too but no longer*
Well isn't this just a confusing tangle. Thanks for talking about some cool history stuff, even if there's no "goal" in this video.
17:26 Doesn't a therapist explicitly say he made her testify against her mother?
18:37 Did you say "perchance" instead of "penchant"? That's a new one.
22:20 There it is again.
the giggle is so precious
Had to watch this peak again when i heard moon say the line while checking out vr 2 flat mode 🔥
Oh- and because there’s an entire book about how Agony likes to latch onto artificial intelligences and corrupt them. Due to HW2 giving Glitchtrap Afton’s memories, but then said “screw it- Glitchtrap is Helpi now and will be called Helptrap from here on out.” With Helpi appearing next with no Afton persona, but a significant use of purple veins. I believe that since Fazbear used the Mimic1 commonly for story generation, and was confirmed to have removed the salvaged animatronics from FNAF6 prior to Security Breach- why wasn’t the old circuit board junk mentioned by Tape Girl just from Afton’s suit. It was used for pathfinding, which isn’t uniquely mimic- and further more spawned in a weird rabbit entity that didn’t really look like Afton but got the basics right- whole still retaining the mimic tears, drool, and felt costume getup(not to mention it speaks in Tape Girl’s slowed down voice). So yea- maybe just Mimic and Afton can coexist until HW2 happens, when the memories making the Mimic Glitchtrap got destroyed by Jeremy, and his persona was crushed by Vanny?
You give me major Daria vibes and im so here for it
:O I didn't think you were going to make this particular vid so soon!
The lore in the games alone is honestly kinda wild it’s changed so much with the newest add ons when we thought we had figured everything out more came out so we all tried fitting it in to make more sense.
Interesting, (also cool fact I found someone on reddit who got the moon beckoning animation so I think it’s just really rare ), I wonder how folks would perceive my ideas for the story
I think nobody talks about the fact that in HW2's ending Moon's eyes don't glow red. I wonder why 🤔