I would guess it was either the Fredbear plush, masks of the OG ‘tronics, or even matches from the FNAF 3 location. Despite me being a new fan (thank the movie) I could immediately tell this was one of the biggest unsolved mysteries of he franchise, and it baffles me that it’s been almost a decade and we *still* haven’t had an answer.
The one huge problem with cc being the puppet is that the puppet is already possessed by fnaf 2, but phone guy says that the animatronics can walk around during the day as of the events of the game. In fnaf 1 he says they can't walk around during the day because of the bite of 87. Either the company stalled on changing policy in response to the bite for some weird reason, the policy change got retconned, or originally the bite of 87 victim was originally a random kid who got retconned to be cc when fnaf 4 was released. But if we go with dream theory and suggest that the events of the games (including the murders and the company restricting animatronic movement) didn't happen, then cc becoming the puppet wouldn't alter the timeline, but then it wouldn't mean anything as the puppet's role would be gone. And then there's the nitpicks, like how cc's frontal lobe can heal enough for him to get himself outside in the same year he got the injury (I doubt his brother would've put him there given how remorseful he was), and also that the bite was caused by kids bringing a child to the stage, so something to prevent something like that rather than restricting the animatronics' movement would be a more effective response. But these don't matter too much. I do agree that cc was supposed to be the puppet as of fnaf 4, but there was definitely a retcon somewhere that caused an inconsistency in the timeline. Making the puppet Charlie avoids that, even though it was definitely a retcon (and yes, I hate that Charlie got thrown in just to make Henry seem more important). I would say that even though fnaf 4's story was good, it's where the problems with the franchise really started. I think it might've been better for fnaf 4 to just be its own self contained story or to begin a new one, instead of being linked to the first 3 games. Anyway, this was a really good video as usual. Your uploads are always a pleasant surprise :)
XD I can't remember which video it was, but I mentioned it before- so, in the animated Titanic movie, the main chick's magic tears allow her to talk to animals. And I always equate that to Henry's magic tears bringing Charlie to life, lol.
Chaotic take (I think), I hope they never open the box, but I also hope they give us many more options for what could be in the box. I just want like 30 actually solid options that send the community into an uproar.
What if the crying child is sort of like Abby in the movie? I know it doesn't make sense with the generally accepted timeline, but if CC could see/hear ghosts it could explain the "we are your friends" at the end of FNAF4. Also, I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it, but I'm 95% sure the candy cadets story with the box has something to do with the current contents of the box.
I both love and hate "the box" because we'll never know for sure the original intent or what it was supposed to become at any point between. While watching this vid, I slowly convinced myself that Scott came up with the box as a schrodinger's box. There was never anything inside, or more accurately to my theory, everything that could be was inside. The box was a box of endless theories that would never be confirmed nor denied cuz there was never a hidden truth to begin with. I love this cuz it allowed a lot for the fandom n is a key feature of the series that's kept it relevant all these years. I hate it because despite the community focus, it feels like lazy writing. By no means is it actually lazy writing, if he chose to do it he may have put a lot of thought into it. But it still feels low-effort. N is a source of frustration for a lot of ppl. Even suggesting nothing was ever in there probably pisses a large amount of ppl off cuz its such a frustrating concept. But it also allowed him to have an easy retcon available incase he ever needed to use it. An incase of emergencies safety switch. Bottom line, it was an extremely smart move that will continue to frustrate any fnaf fan who has thought about it, for the rest of our lives, even if its given an answer, cuz there will always be the "what was it originally tho". As an author, I love it. As a fnaf fan, I hate (but respect) it.
If they decide The Mimic was in the box, I will become Jeff the Killer. Putting The Mimic in the box would be one of the biggest ass pulls in this series, and I already hate The Mimic enough as is.
OBVIOUSLY it was just Scott's ham sandwich he was saving for later, with it changing over the years because Scott eats the one in it and then swaps it out with a new one
For the first candidate shown, William was like this in the movie because he kept Garrett's plane and gave it to Vanessa, so perhaps he did keep trophies from the kids...
Well in UCN's Toy Chica Highschool years, we see that the killer probably kept trophies, shown to be body parts in the cartoon but maybe just toys/clothing in reality.
Oh ..so he just kept theyre shoes bracelets ect Imagine just an open box Png whit a total of a few shoes necklace and bracelets and bows (Maybe even bandage seen as some killer do take theyre victims shoes accessories) that's disturbing..
The "Fnaf pizzaria simulator is the box" isnt about the colors. It's when you're looking at the map while Henry talks and the halways disappear, the way all the squares are arranged matches the box almost perfectly.
How I see it, Scott was so focused on making mysteries and secrets that he made the series so convoluted and confising. To me, that explains having multiple different characters with the same name, one example being Fritz. The first few games were fairly straightforward; man murders kids and stuffs the bodies into animatronics, leading the kids to possess the animatronics. I think 4 is about the time when things got to be too confusing. Edit: also, I'm not bashing Scott. I'm just saying maybe he got a *little* carried away with the mysteries and secrets and that ended up in lore getting tangled.
Arguably, two was the start of the contrivances and detail-confusion, but I'd honestly say that the Bite of '87 ITSELF was an indicator of Cawthon lore-baiting without concrete planning. I don't doubt that he had an idea in mind (see FNAF 4), but his haste to change the Bite in 4 is likely due to realizing his own details (such as in 2 and 3, and some logistical issues) simply didn't work out the way he'd intended. As a result, things just don't flow well. I honestly wonder what his process for writing was.
Ok, I know I’ve made Schrödinger jokes twice now, but this time I think it counts best, considering it’s a literal box with something we don’t know the status of inside. Anyways, on the box itself, I believe Scott or at least Steelwool owes us an explanation, as I still find it to be ridiculous that nearly 9 years later, we still have no clue to what’s in it.
I feel we are also owed the Crying Childs name, literally every other important character save phone guy has a name except CC, why? What makes him so special?
"some things are better left forgotten, forever." no matter what is in the box, it will be disapointing. mimic, crying child bot 1 i do think william did manage to make one but i do forget when i thaught it was operational by, there was a game but i dont remember. an alarm clock, something else to confirm it was all a dream and the only real event is the bite. it would all be disapointing. he decided to say that qoute and keep the box locked because he realised this. it seems we have forgotten that.
@@derrickdaniels3955 we "know" (we barely know shit in this franchise.) his name. he is cassidy, the only reason this isnt the acepted theory is we are somehow really bad at puzzles. cassidy only makes sense as a character if its crying child, it would also help make crying child make sense, because see your comment. "what makes cassidy so special." he is the crying child.
@@Markcrazeer Cassidy being the crying child is just a theory and a theory only, until actually confirmed to be the case, so until then im not buying it.
Fleshtrap, from fan favorite story “In The Flesh.” Everyone loved him so much they murdered and buried him. Him existing made everything else disappointing. He had to be destroyed.
The Crying Child's soul is in The Box. His plushies, the ones that contain the pieces of his soul. The memories are brought together in the fire to be put back together, and once they do, they are put in The Box, and forgotten forever. But that's too complicated to explain. However, I agree that The Box is a representation of the FFPS location. And... they don't look similar. But that's not why people say it is. The first person suggesting it, for what I remember, was Matpat. The idea goes like this: Scott said in a steam post that inside The Box there was the pieces put together, the pieces of the story. So, what is FFPS about? About bringing all the remaining animatronics into a single location (notice how the layout of the map is similar to a box), and once they're all in one place, kill them off. Metaphorically, closing the box. Notice how Henry says in his monologue that "This place will not be remembered, and the memory of everything that started this can finally begin to fade away", which is a direct connection to "perhaps some things are best left forgotten". Both talk about memory and oblivion. There's also the fact that Henry's plan is said in the game to be called "Paragraph 4", which is the same paragraph where Scott talks about The Box in the formerly mentioned steam post. FFPS is about closure, the same goes for the box: it's closed, representing closure. Also, the fact that the box is opened in FNAF World means that, whatever is actually happening in the game, is related to The Box. For instance... the clocks! What do they represent? Well, memories. They represent the memories that will later on be used to guide BV into his Happiest Day, and have closure himself. Then, those bad memories are put in a box, closed, and finally, forgotten. The Box represents closure, the end. The pieces of the story are put together, and once they are, they're put in the box, and left in the darkest corner of your mind to be forgotten.
About pizza sim; that theory has also another thing. During the ending speech when we see the vent map, you can overlap the box over it and it fits pretty well; perhaps a coincidence (Wow, the rectangle overlaps with the rectangle) but something to note.
Yeah this was what I assumed she was going to be talking about with the pizzeria being the box. It's a pretty heavyhanded reference to say the box was now the tomb of all these awful stories.
I still think it's a real reach that folks made in retrospect to explain something that's not there. Like the Nightmarionne being in the Pizzaplex. But it makes a lot more sense now that Matpat said it, since people take his word as law, lol.
It's slightly more that rectangle fits rectangle bit that the vent map also has the things that the locks are on is the same place that makes the connection stronger imo
To be fair,the way the vents look (rectangles connected to squares) really does seem to recreate the look of the locks,at least@@notrealnamenotatall2476
4:44 Garret's toy airplane in the FNaF movie: 👁️👁️ (for context, you can see the exact same airplane in Vannessa's childhood photo next to the Yellow Rabbit)
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Isn't that kind of the point? There's tons of little details in FNAF media that you can only find by actually looking for it.
Ok, hear me out. I think it's best if the box never opens. See, in Calvin and Hobbes comic strip, there's mention of an event known as the "Noodle Incident", in which Calvin did something involving a noodle that nearly got him put on Santa's naughty list. It's never stated (at least to my knowledge) what he did, and when asked about it, the creator said it will likely never be revealed. His reason as to why: it's more fun to speculate on what happened, and that any explanation he could give just wouldn't be satisfying. I think that logic can be applied to this situation. The box will probably never open, and if it does, whatever is inside is just going to leave fans more disappointed than anything. At least, that's my take.
The puppet originally being in the box makes the most sense, especially when the puppet is nowhere to be found in FNAF4. Also if Steel Wool brings back the box just to reveal Mimic was in it, I’m going to be so angry.
I 100% believe they would do that, as in a recent interview they confirmed they are keeping things vague for the sake of it so some things will straight up not be explained. And apparently the MXES security system existed this whole time and is very old.
Btw Psychic Fred Fredbear was the puppet Scott posted a picture that showed Fredbear plush with puppet strings Also his eyes are the same as the puppet
@@AlfaresAnas well if it was a Lefty teaser why use Fredbear colors and not any other Freddy colors And I am pretty sure the circular white eyes are a puppet and toy Chica thing only and I doubt it’s toy Chica
@@AlfaresAnas yeah I don’t think saturations turns black into purple That’s definitely Fredbear no doubt about it Try looking up the Don’t Wake the Baby teaser you will notice how the hat and tie doesn’t look purple with saturation but the Strings teaser does
I always felt like there was nothing lore related in the box. Given how "the pieces put together" is up to interpretation, an empty box with a thank you note from Scott probably makes sense, but the community probably wasn't ready for him to leave. Hence why Scott felt like the community wouldn't accept what's in the box.
This makes so much sense. Another comment said the box was symbolism for closure. So Scott was definitely leaving a thankyou note. He saw that people were having so much fun theorizing what's in the box that he didn't want to confess to what was actually inside. He didn't want to kill the fun.
My theory of what was in the box is that it has Crying Childs tombstone, which would reveal him to be related to Mike Schmidt. I came to this conclusion after the thinking that "if the fanbase had solved FNAF4 then what would be in the box to prove that theory?", a line of thinking proposed by GiBi's Horror Homestead. There has been some evidence that the foxy bro is Mike Schmidt from the first game, and we just didn't solve it. Scott did say he expected people to solve the game fairly quickly and was suprised when they didn't. If we had come to the Mike is foxy bro back in fnaf 4 and assuming it's true, we might have gotten CC's name. Us not having it is a large hole in the fnaf lore, so not having it being evidence that that's what's in the box is his name could explain why we probably won't get it, a reminder that the community didn't solve the fnaf 4.
I just want scott to say "this is what was originally in the box, its not the case anymore, but this is what was initially intended to be in there" There doesn't have to be a point to it other than putting to rest the "PLEASE WHATS IN THE BOX" stuff.
the community: what's in the box? the fnaf 6 location: am i the box? timeline theorists: when is the box? my mind: where is the box? theorists losing their minds: WHY IS THE BOX?! no sane person: how is the box?
As much as I get the parallels, I think the crying child being the puppet is impossible. In the ‘happiest day’ mini game they are making the happiest day for the crying child, but the puppet is the one who brings the last present to him. Then he puts on a golden Freddy mask. How would the puppet give a present to himself? Unless the happiest day was for someone else. But then who?
There were exotic butters in the box. Scott realized this would make no sense since there was no context at the time so he decided to keep the box closed and make a fifth game. And that’s why Sister Location exist today. Source:
The static that mangle makes contains some hidden audio that sound like a police reporting thay a little boy seems to be missing his frontal lobe, plus the phone guy suggesting that the victim of the bite 87 survived without their frontal lobe, seem to be yet another piece of evidence the the crying child was intended to be the bite victim and the puppet.
man, the image painted in my mind of the puppet being revealed in the box is so cool and amazing. like, imagine the ending speech psychic friend fredbear gives at the end of FNAF 4, but as the plushies fade out, CC and fredbear fade out as well. and then, the box fades in, and with each line of dialog a lock is undone, then the lid lifts up and you see the iconic line "I will put you back together." when staring at the lifeless puppet doll tucked away inside. it would have been SO SO COOL TO SEE THAT REVEAL! ...also mimicbox is real. it will happen. you cannot stop it. it is inevitable.
You are so unbelievably right and things like this is why Scott makes me so mad… like what’s the point of rekconning the game for the eighth time to make it “more simple to understand”???
I think fanf world was in the box, since the open box is contained within it. The clockwork ending being the resolution of fnaf's tragedic lore, which no one liked so the franchise went on.
Matpat talked about the box possibly being a symbolic reference to part of the speech at the true ending of fnaf 6. That part about a maze with no exit and all that
Crying child puppet would have really wrapped it up, but I have to say I'm glad this franchise has gone on as long as it has, who knows where we'd be if the story was wrapped up back then
Honestly, to me it's not really about what's in the Box so much as it is what IS the Box. Like, let's actually think about this. WHAT *IS* THE BOX? Well, Scott has said several times that the Box is all the pieces put together. The Box is the answer. Scott has been famously quoated as saying "What's in the box? It's the pieces put together. But the bigger question is - would the community accept it that way?" This quote alone answers what's in the Box and what the Box even is. Inside and out, the Box IS the answer. And what is this box? Forever locked. If the Box is our answer to all of FNAF, then that means it will never be opened. Part of what makes FNAF so compelling are the mysteries that surround it and part of the fun is creating theories and headcanons and reasons for why certain things are the way they are. If we suddenly got all the answers, that would be it. That would take the fun right out of it. We'd have the answer, there'd basically be no more theory videos and there would be no way for newer games to add onto the greater mystery without them having to start something new entirely. And the answer we get might even leave some people feeling unsatisfied and disappointed. That's what Scott is saying. Like, sure. You could open the Box and get the answer. But would you really want to when half of the fun of FNAF is actually what we DON'T know instead of what we do? That's what the Box is. It's a metaphor. It's symbolism. It's what ties everything together in a perfect rectangular shape. You could say it's "Symmetry, my friend!" And, yes, he has said that the contents of the Box have changed over time. But then again, so has FNAF's story. Time and time again, the story has been changed and so have the answers. So really, the Box itself and what it represents hasn't actually changed. It's still the same. And, honestly, I never want it to be open. Besides, we all already know what's in the Box. It's the answer. HOW that answer is conveyed to us is completely irellavent. Like, it could be a freaking link to a PDF that retells in detail the entire story of FNAF giving us all the answers and how it all ties together. That's all it could be. We already know what's in the Box, it's the answer! So who really cares about how that answer is given to us? But if we know the answer, then... what left is there to tell? So, maybe Scott is right. Maybe some things are best left forgotten forever.
Something maybe worth noting is that Mike's younger brother in the movie seems like he may be the puppet. Obviously not hard proof cause different universes, but an intersting detail if it does turn out to be the case.
Personally I think that the biggest fnaf mystery is how the franchise has the audacity to say that the fanon names for certain characters aren't actually their official names whilst the franchise also gives us no clue what the actual names even are.
I kinda like the idea of CC being the Puppet. I wonder how the story would have gone had that stayed that way? Would the Bite still be of '87? Was there EVER a reason given for that change? 🤔
Not so sure, because in the same message, he said that the retcon was seamless and went more or less unnoticed by the community. The box is more or less the biggest lingering mystery in the series, I don't think it really fits that criteria.
Wait, maybe the Puppet is still the Crying Child but also still Charlie or was CC and Charlie but only Charlie remains. We do know that spirits can sort of transfer between objects so its not entirely unlikely that this occurred again.
I'm a pretty big "Box is fnaf 6" believer, with a complication or two, and I think you might've missed two things about that theory 1. It was originally created by MatPat years ago to my knowledge, but of course, many people parrot him in this fandom it's hard to track who came up with what 2. I don't think people tend to argue the Pizzeria in the ending employee training cutscene looks like the box. The bug revelation is that the VENT MAP in the Connection Terminated Cutscene forms the rectangular shape of the box when the sqare at the center fades away. My personal theory is just that the Box represents the end of the fnaf story. In fnaf 4 era it was something like the Golden Freddy mask the Crying child was supposed to wear at his birthday, that he eventually wears in Happiest day at the chronological end of the first timeline in Fnaf 3. This "changed" because the ending of the series was moved up to Fnaf 6 and UCN, which were supposed to be one game, and the new ending, so the box is here now. And now in Steelwool fnaf, the Box is no where to be seen because the series is as ongoing and as profitable as ever, so theres no box or ending in sight. These are just my thoughts and I wanted to let you know, thanks for making amazing videos.
What’s in the box? It was Fredbear and Spring Bonnie’s heads. It was Henry and William put together. But the question is would Hurricane Utah’s community accept that a murderer and a coward created their fantasy and fun?
How was CC meant to be the Puppet if both of their deaths were different? CC got bit by Fredbear and presumably died in the hospital and Charlie died outside a pizzeria/diner location. I personally believe in the theory that the box contained evidence of the main character being Michael in all the games prior and that it was gonna show that it was this whole interconnected story about a family and Michael trying to stop his father and free all the spirits. I honestly believe that’s what Scott meant when he said “four games one story”, I think dream theory was lazy and all it did was hinder the important discussion about the games story
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 it just seems weird to me y'know. That would mean that the crying child didn't die in the hospital, healed from their injury and then got murdered by purple guy (their father now) outside one of the locations. It's way too convoluted, even for FNaF. It would make the bite scene in FNaF 4 useless. Wasn't Jeremy Fitzgerald hinted at being the 87 bite victim in FNaF 2 since he gets moved to the day shift and the game takes place in more of the later part of 1987? I feel the source code thing is pushing it a little. Edit: if the bite of 83 was meant to be 87 and that CC was supposed to be the Puppet, then that doesn't make any sense. The MCI happened in 85 and FNaF 2 takes place in 87. Puppet would have to give gifts give life in 87 for your theory to make sense but it was already assumed that the MCI was before 87 when FNaF 2 came out. You're theory requires a few convoluted things to happen. 1st: CC gets bit by Fredbear for no reason story/lore wise 2nd: CC goes to the hospital and recovers for no reason story/lore wise. We also have to forget about the end scene where William says he'll put him back together and CC presumably dies. 3rd: William kills CC, this time for lore wise 4th: it turns out the MCI happened 2 years ago and the bodies have just been rotting away, CC as the Puppet gives gifts gives life 2 years later. 5th: we also have to ignore Jeremy being the 87 bite victim hinted at
Scott went on record once to say he was going to open the box in the fnaf 4 Halloween DLC but chose not to About fnaf 6 being the box, the vent layout in fnaf 6's night mode (when the centre square is gone) looks like the box, Matpat mentioned it in one video
12:55 I believe Scott asked Matpat on stream “Who do you play as THE night guardS” during a FNAF 4 stream pre FNAF world. So while the physical name of Michael Afton may not have existed at that point, Mike Schmidt, FNAF 3 guard, and either Jeremy or Fritz were all at one point one person. Matpat proceeded to then misinterpret this as dream theory, whoops.
What really prevents me from thinking that CC was the Puppet / was in the box is that I don't really think that tells us anything about the series at large. FNAF 2 already explained the Puppet's whole shtick and why it exists, so to have that be the big reveal that brings everything together would have felt a bit deflating imo. Personally, I _do_ think that Mike Schmidt was always intended to be the different guards and the dreamer in 4 (mainly because of the similar pink slip and the fact that Phone Guy can be heard in his room), I just think that nobody got that at the time. Essentially, Sister Location didn't retcon Michael into the role of the protagonist, it just made the fact that he was incredibly obvious. However, I _do_ think it's possible that he and CC weren't always intended to be Purple Guy's children, so in a way he _was_ retconned, but only in the sense that he went from a _Schmidt_ to an _Afton_
One thing I'd like to add: The line associated with the box appears to be explicitly speaking on repressed memories. "Some things are best left forgotten, for now" As if someone has chosen to forget them until they are ready to handle the truth again. The big plotline of FNaF: The Silver Eyes revolves around Charlie confronting the memories she's slowly piecing together while she's visiting Hurricane. The house of her father and the mysterious 4th closet she was supposed to only see when she was *old enough*, the occasional scrambling between memories of Fredbear's and Freddy's. Finally culminating in her finding the room the killer took her brother in. A memory she had forgotten, for now, and until then. And with every other victim accounted for in a suit, where does that leave the first, and the outlier to go? Henry is maker of dolls, would later be characterized as a man who'd do anything to bring his kid back to life, and Ventriloquist puppets are said to be a way spirits can be communicated with. Sammy was meant to be the book adaptations' version of the puppet. And the plot revolves around Charlie confronting her repressed memories. The final line of FNaF 4 is a line about the very same thing.
What was in the box? It was a magical spell book that had the secrets of how to cast spells of Exotic Butters, or maybe a L emblem that change your clothes to Luigi's.
To add credit to your “Crying child was originally the puppet” idea (I’m a firm believer myself), The crying child didn’t have any familial ties to William Afton aka purple guy by that point. That came after fnaf four. Therefore William killing him outside the dinner after he survived the bite of 87 would make sense. And by that I mean there wouldn’t have been the argument of “oh but why did William kill his own kid??” Hope my little thought made sense :]
I genuinely love and agree with your argument thqt puppet is crying child. And it makes perfect sense that puppet was in the box. The box being a marionette box is enough I think. We didn't even need to open it. It is the crying child PUT back together by william. Ofc it is gonna be some animatronic thing. And crying child is very much indicated to be linked to puppet. Ofc it will be puppet as crying child, put together in the box. Very cool that you shared the marionette box thing.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 i get that, Im just not sure its a detail someone would add in an art asset like that if it wasn’t completely plot relevant. I could see your point if it was two latches but i feel like the separate padlocks imply ownership of the box to two different people. Anyways, something I’ve noticed in a ton of videos about the same subject not a specific criticism of yours! Mostly just curious why it doesn’t seem to get brought up. Great vids and thanks for responding!
The puppet being the crying child is pretty convincing to me, personally. Hopefully, whatever is in the box actually answers some questions straight up. Like, there is always gonna be mysteries to solve, but getting some lore and character is the bare minimum to expect.
8:26 I just so happen to have the book (alongside near every single other FNaF book) on my shelf and can quote the description given by the Fourth Closet for you. "John moved to a large green chest, the paint almost entirely worn off. There was no lock. John knelt beside it, found the handle, and heaved it open..." (pg. 110) Sooo not at all like the fnaf four box, except for it having a handle and being worn, there's no mention of the straps and locks (outside of a direct line saying it has NO locks at all).
There's also no sense of importance to the trunk. Its just described and then goes unmentioned for the rest of the book, except for when everyone points out how weird it is that Charlie was found in a box. this would be a very disappointing answer to a question the community has had for years.
On the Box = FNaF6, it was in a Game Theory vid, like his 2nd or 3rd after FFPS came out and MatPat said he got it from the sub reddit. the gist is that the Map of the vents looks like the box if you squint hard enough On the Masks in the box think, HW2 kinda did this with the Bonnie Bully mask in PQ4, in a gaslighting kinda way, seeing as that minigame also implies that Charlotte/Puppet was the LAST murder, contradicting the 8-bit minigames, unless she was last in-first out, as in while killed last for reasons [also potentially implying that what spooked CC was the MCI], Puppet was the firts to be posessed, with Charlotte waking up the classics [except for Golden Freddy]
There seems to be a lot going on with you lately, about to hit 100K subs and your birthday is coming up in August, if I remember correctly. I'm sorry if I'm off by a month and I don't remember the day. I remember you making a post about it a year ago, but I wasn't talking to you then, so I didn't think to commit it to memory. I'll be sure to wish you a happy birthday when it arrives this time though. I also hope you do more theory videos like this, I personally like your detective style vids.
I feel like originally there was: something about a spring lock incident of either William/his wife (assuming CC was an Afton) via death certificate or some article, Psychic Friend Freadbear, the wrench from Fnaf 2’s purple guy, and maybe the paystubs of Mike from fnaf 1&2 (maybe 3). I may be shoving things in the box and cramming it down to make it close due to my experience as being a wife of a guy starting his own business (lot of unseen work), but it does explain a few plot holes that seems to be unsolved though nothing that was brought in through later games aside from the attention to Mrs. Afton.
If the original choice of FNAF 4 was meant to be dream theory, which I think it was, there was probably 1 of 4 things in the box: 1. The "My day at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza" drawings 2. A newspaper clipping about the bite with Mike Schdmit as C.C's name 3. A drawing of Foxybro holding a phone 4. A drawing of Purple Guy breaking C.C's FNAF 1 plushies
Now, I wonder if the Puppet is a Stitchwraith situation. There could have been the crying child first. This would also help the idea that the puppet would actively leave the diner to pursue Charlie’s body, as they both died in the same way. Which would perhaps evoke a lot of emotion in the Puppet/Crying Child, making him want to absorb(?) Charlie’s soul and take her in. Ol’ Willy boy repeats a favorite murder, and we get the first iteration of the Stitchwraith. It also isn’t lost on me that the Stitchwraith wears a mask that is very similar to the Puppet.
I do like Scott's answer when asked about the box. Saying that he did have plans for it, and was intending to reveal what was inside... but then he forgot what it was supposed to be.
the end being “probably the mimic” got me 😭😭 on a side note though, i think you hit the nail on the head with the whole “the puppet was in the box/was the crying child” thing- it makes so much sense
I really want a lore shattering game that just sets the record straight. Like no holds barred straight up clarifying some stuff in the universe. I feel like with Into The Pit covering some Spring Bonnie and OG Missing Children’s Incident stuff it could be a good opportunity to do some of that.
I believe shattervictim explains what was in the box. The box is one thing, but is represented by two things. A literal object, and a symbolic idea. The literal object(s) inside the box are either the crying child’s plushies or the masks from the ending. Symbolically, they would’ve represented the FNaF 3 happiest day minigames. “The pieces put together” is saving those kids in FNaF 3, reuniting them at the place where the beginning of the tragedies happened (FredBears). The FNaF 3 minigames are the crying child’s memories shattered, and are somehow implemented into the MCI victims. As we know, agony can contain memories in them, and the crying child’s death causes some sort of “agony curse” on the Fazbear franchise, causing the fallout of everything. The box was trying to explain, by putting the pieces together (the MCI victims at the end of FNaF 3), it was also free the crying child, and end the curse on Fazbear
I heard the theory at 10:39 but with better evidence than the building being the color blue. This is how the theory actually goes, the motion sensor map layout has a design reminiscent of the box as well as the building being burned, leaving everything inside to be left forgotten. Kinda like a certain box from fnaf 4. But hey, that's just a theory. A GAME THEORY! (i am not sorry)
All things considered, a game based in ŤHÊ BÓX could work all. If we're talking about a FNAF World 2. Like a big reveal saying that the FNAF World universe is just a bunch of toys in the box that the crying child plays with and imagines all the events of the game. This would be in character when you think about how intensely nightmareish all the "animatronics" are in FNAF 4. EDIT: I would like to officially change this to a hot take
There’s a second, identical, but slightly smaller box inside
What’s in the second box?
@@captainet2457another box
@@chaosbeam4654 And the third?
@@chaosbeam4654 Do I even need to ask what’s in that box?
@@azuresiren5846another box
Too bad it was actually my Dr Pepper stash in the box
Including the new coconut flavor this year?
Which btw tastes so good.
Damn, share?
I want some
@@gamerxcool get your own
I would guess it was either the Fredbear plush, masks of the OG ‘tronics, or even matches from the FNAF 3 location.
Despite me being a new fan (thank the movie) I could immediately tell this was one of the biggest unsolved mysteries of he franchise, and it baffles me that it’s been almost a decade and we *still* haven’t had an answer.
The one huge problem with cc being the puppet is that the puppet is already possessed by fnaf 2, but phone guy says that the animatronics can walk around during the day as of the events of the game.
In fnaf 1 he says they can't walk around during the day because of the bite of 87.
Either the company stalled on changing policy in response to the bite for some weird reason, the policy change got retconned, or originally the bite of 87 victim was originally a random kid who got retconned to be cc when fnaf 4 was released.
But if we go with dream theory and suggest that the events of the games (including the murders and the company restricting animatronic movement) didn't happen, then cc becoming the puppet wouldn't alter the timeline, but then it wouldn't mean anything as the puppet's role would be gone.
And then there's the nitpicks, like how cc's frontal lobe can heal enough for him to get himself outside in the same year he got the injury (I doubt his brother would've put him there given how remorseful he was), and also that the bite was caused by kids bringing a child to the stage, so something to prevent something like that rather than restricting the animatronics' movement would be a more effective response. But these don't matter too much.
I do agree that cc was supposed to be the puppet as of fnaf 4, but there was definitely a retcon somewhere that caused an inconsistency in the timeline. Making the puppet Charlie avoids that, even though it was definitely a retcon (and yes, I hate that Charlie got thrown in just to make Henry seem more important). I would say that even though fnaf 4's story was good, it's where the problems with the franchise really started. I think it might've been better for fnaf 4 to just be its own self contained story or to begin a new one, instead of being linked to the first 3 games.
Anyway, this was a really good video as usual. Your uploads are always a pleasant surprise :)
You can’t tease us with that animated Titanic movie comment, and not show us what you mean, that just isn’t fair!
XD I can't remember which video it was, but I mentioned it before- so, in the animated Titanic movie, the main chick's magic tears allow her to talk to animals. And I always equate that to Henry's magic tears bringing Charlie to life, lol.
Chaotic take (I think), I hope they never open the box, but I also hope they give us many more options for what could be in the box. I just want like 30 actually solid options that send the community into an uproar.
I always saw the box as just like a metaphor. Like Pandora’s box.
What if the crying child is sort of like Abby in the movie? I know it doesn't make sense with the generally accepted timeline, but if CC could see/hear ghosts it could explain the "we are your friends" at the end of FNAF4.
Also, I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it, but I'm 95% sure the candy cadets story with the box has something to do with the current contents of the box.
I both love and hate "the box" because we'll never know for sure the original intent or what it was supposed to become at any point between. While watching this vid, I slowly convinced myself that Scott came up with the box as a schrodinger's box. There was never anything inside, or more accurately to my theory, everything that could be was inside. The box was a box of endless theories that would never be confirmed nor denied cuz there was never a hidden truth to begin with. I love this cuz it allowed a lot for the fandom n is a key feature of the series that's kept it relevant all these years. I hate it because despite the community focus, it feels like lazy writing. By no means is it actually lazy writing, if he chose to do it he may have put a lot of thought into it. But it still feels low-effort. N is a source of frustration for a lot of ppl. Even suggesting nothing was ever in there probably pisses a large amount of ppl off cuz its such a frustrating concept. But it also allowed him to have an easy retcon available incase he ever needed to use it. An incase of emergencies safety switch.
Bottom line, it was an extremely smart move that will continue to frustrate any fnaf fan who has thought about it, for the rest of our lives, even if its given an answer, cuz there will always be the "what was it originally tho". As an author, I love it. As a fnaf fan, I hate (but respect) it.
Scot have said the contains of the box have changed multiple times
- FNaF fandom: "what's in the box, Scott?"
- Scott: "yes."
It glows gold when you open it, like the briefcase in Pulp Fiction. 😉
“Uh… good question.”
Scott: It’s me Austin, it was me all along Austin
mangle’s gender was in the box
@@AtheAnt128 Darn, I was just about to comment that
3 pokeballs were in the box, one contained chimchar, another piplup, and the last turtwig.
Damn, Sinnoh got dark
Best answer
I mean to be fair, Giratina was there the whole time so...
sinnoh sweep!!
This sounds like what would happen if Jigsaw also happened to be a Pokemon professor
An embarrassing picture of SpongeBob at the Christmas party!
im crying lmao thanks for being the funniest person in these comments
This explains everything
Oh my god. You’re right.
But of course, it's hidden in a secret compartment that can be opened by pulling the string inside the box
how would you know that? do you remember seeing the photo or did you just took Patrick's word for it?
It was me. I was in the box.
Whoa!
what was it like in the box?
@@captainet2457It was casualcommenter7152.
@@RedKitten64changed it to what I originally meant to comment. Sorry
I fuckin knew it. Nobody believed me but finally I know I was right
If they decide The Mimic was in the box, I will become Jeff the Killer. Putting The Mimic in the box would be one of the biggest ass pulls in this series, and I already hate The Mimic enough as is.
Careful! Dont want The Mimic™️ Mimicing™️ you and becoming Jeff The Mimic™️!!
@@jc_art_ Copies may copy, and mimics may mimic. But there's only one original.
Valid.
@@tonysonic456 that actually goes hard. I'm keeping that one.
The start of your joker arc
I really hope one day FNAF has a crossover with a restaurant and they have a menu item called The Box and it's just some mid 4-piece chicken nuggets
dont forget the fazcoins and a random toy
OBVIOUSLY it was just Scott's ham sandwich he was saving for later, with it changing over the years because Scott eats the one in it and then swaps it out with a new one
Im fucking crying
That's why it's locked, he knows people will probably try to steal it
For the first candidate shown, William was like this in the movie because he kept Garrett's plane and gave it to Vanessa, so perhaps he did keep trophies from the kids...
Well in UCN's Toy Chica Highschool years, we see that the killer probably kept trophies, shown to be body parts in the cartoon but maybe just toys/clothing in reality.
Oh
..so he just kept theyre shoes bracelets ect
Imagine just an open box Png whit a total of a few shoes necklace and bracelets and bows
(Maybe even bandage seen as some killer do take theyre victims shoes accessories) that's disturbing..
@@xT4ickyx so basically what was in the box in dsaf3?
Edit: i made this comment before i got to the part where dsaf3 was brought up
The "Fnaf pizzaria simulator is the box" isnt about the colors. It's when you're looking at the map while Henry talks and the halways disappear, the way all the squares are arranged matches the box almost perfectly.
iirc it was actually Game Theory that made that, well, theory.
@@marcuswilcowski9933 Or at the very least popularized it
How I see it, Scott was so focused on making mysteries and secrets that he made the series so convoluted and confising. To me, that explains having multiple different characters with the same name, one example being Fritz. The first few games were fairly straightforward; man murders kids and stuffs the bodies into animatronics, leading the kids to possess the animatronics. I think 4 is about the time when things got to be too confusing.
Edit: also, I'm not bashing Scott. I'm just saying maybe he got a *little* carried away with the mysteries and secrets and that ended up in lore getting tangled.
Arguably, two was the start of the contrivances and detail-confusion, but I'd honestly say that the Bite of '87 ITSELF was an indicator of Cawthon lore-baiting without concrete planning. I don't doubt that he had an idea in mind (see FNAF 4), but his haste to change the Bite in 4 is likely due to realizing his own details (such as in 2 and 3, and some logistical issues) simply didn't work out the way he'd intended.
As a result, things just don't flow well. I honestly wonder what his process for writing was.
The community’s sanity is in the box
Ha!
10:47 It’s you
XD
No wonder we never found it…
So THAT'S why it's empty! Good to know. ;)
Ok, I know I’ve made Schrödinger jokes twice now, but this time I think it counts best, considering it’s a literal box with something we don’t know the status of inside.
Anyways, on the box itself, I believe Scott or at least Steelwool owes us an explanation, as I still find it to be ridiculous that nearly 9 years later, we still have no clue to what’s in it.
I feel we are also owed the Crying Childs name, literally every other important character save phone guy has a name except CC, why? What makes him so special?
@@derrickdaniels3955 The truth is, William never named him. He just calls him 'that kid' and as such, nobody knows his name.
"some things are better left forgotten, forever." no matter what is in the box, it will be disapointing. mimic, crying child bot 1 i do think william did manage to make one but i do forget when i thaught it was operational by, there was a game but i dont remember. an alarm clock, something else to confirm it was all a dream and the only real event is the bite. it would all be disapointing. he decided to say that qoute and keep the box locked because he realised this. it seems we have forgotten that.
@@derrickdaniels3955 we "know" (we barely know shit in this franchise.) his name. he is cassidy, the only reason this isnt the acepted theory is we are somehow really bad at puzzles. cassidy only makes sense as a character if its crying child, it would also help make crying child make sense, because see your comment. "what makes cassidy so special." he is the crying child.
@@Markcrazeer Cassidy being the crying child is just a theory and a theory only, until actually confirmed to be the case, so until then im not buying it.
Fleshtrap, from fan favorite story “In The Flesh.”
Everyone loved him so much they murdered and buried him. Him existing made everything else disappointing. He had to be destroyed.
Bro WTF
FleshTrap should be his name. That should be the name for him
are you ok? do you need a therapist?
@@BigBrainFnafGuy Yes
@@BigBrainFnafGuy ever heard of Faz goo and Charliebot and TOYHNK debates and the childish fandom?
I think the box was actually the friends we made along the way
The Crying Child's soul is in The Box. His plushies, the ones that contain the pieces of his soul. The memories are brought together in the fire to be put back together, and once they do, they are put in The Box, and forgotten forever. But that's too complicated to explain.
However, I agree that The Box is a representation of the FFPS location. And... they don't look similar. But that's not why people say it is. The first person suggesting it, for what I remember, was Matpat. The idea goes like this: Scott said in a steam post that inside The Box there was the pieces put together, the pieces of the story. So, what is FFPS about? About bringing all the remaining animatronics into a single location (notice how the layout of the map is similar to a box), and once they're all in one place, kill them off. Metaphorically, closing the box. Notice how Henry says in his monologue that "This place will not be remembered, and the memory of everything that started this can finally begin to fade away", which is a direct connection to "perhaps some things are best left forgotten". Both talk about memory and oblivion. There's also the fact that Henry's plan is said in the game to be called "Paragraph 4", which is the same paragraph where Scott talks about The Box in the formerly mentioned steam post. FFPS is about closure, the same goes for the box: it's closed, representing closure.
Also, the fact that the box is opened in FNAF World means that, whatever is actually happening in the game, is related to The Box. For instance... the clocks! What do they represent? Well, memories. They represent the memories that will later on be used to guide BV into his Happiest Day, and have closure himself. Then, those bad memories are put in a box, closed, and finally, forgotten.
The Box represents closure, the end. The pieces of the story are put together, and once they are, they're put in the box, and left in the darkest corner of your mind to be forgotten.
Holy hell that was a long comment (not complaining btw) I didn't even think about that. I had fun reading this, Ty for writing it! :>
This makes the most sense!!!
About pizza sim; that theory has also another thing. During the ending speech when we see the vent map, you can overlap the box over it and it fits pretty well; perhaps a coincidence (Wow, the rectangle overlaps with the rectangle) but something to note.
Yeah this was what I assumed she was going to be talking about with the pizzeria being the box. It's a pretty heavyhanded reference to say the box was now the tomb of all these awful stories.
I still think it's a real reach that folks made in retrospect to explain something that's not there. Like the Nightmarionne being in the Pizzaplex. But it makes a lot more sense now that Matpat said it, since people take his word as law, lol.
It's slightly more that rectangle fits rectangle bit that the vent map also has the things that the locks are on is the same place that makes the connection stronger imo
@@Nelsito99 Yeah, forgot about that, oops
To be fair,the way the vents look (rectangles connected to squares) really does seem to recreate the look of the locks,at least@@notrealnamenotatall2476
4:44 Garret's toy airplane in the FNaF movie: 👁️👁️
(for context, you can see the exact same airplane in Vannessa's childhood photo next to the Yellow Rabbit)
...Good point. Though that's a detail that was sort of hidden. You don't notice it unless you're looking.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476
Isn't that kind of the point? There's tons of little details in FNAF media that you can only find by actually looking for it.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476
Isn't that kind of the point of FNaF?
the box should become a game show
New Storage Wars episode idea just dropped
Deal or no deal
Inside the box is a note that says “The real Fnaf lore was inside of YOU all along! :)” -Scott Cawthon
Yep because together as a fandom we all created a story and put "the pieces together".
Ok, hear me out. I think it's best if the box never opens. See, in Calvin and Hobbes comic strip, there's mention of an event known as the "Noodle Incident", in which Calvin did something involving a noodle that nearly got him put on Santa's naughty list. It's never stated (at least to my knowledge) what he did, and when asked about it, the creator said it will likely never be revealed. His reason as to why: it's more fun to speculate on what happened, and that any explanation he could give just wouldn't be satisfying. I think that logic can be applied to this situation. The box will probably never open, and if it does, whatever is inside is just going to leave fans more disappointed than anything.
At least, that's my take.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the box had a version of the Puppet in it (like a Jack in the box) or had some secret related to Afton.
The fnaf 6 box idea had alot more to do with the layout of the building and Henry's speech about it being a maze. Not the coloring of the building
Ah yes, the box is a maze. XD I forgot that part.
Being locked in a box reminds me of that time i was trapped in a labrynth with no exit (otherwise described as a maze with no prize).
The puppet originally being in the box makes the most sense, especially when the puppet is nowhere to be found in FNAF4.
Also if Steel Wool brings back the box just to reveal Mimic was in it, I’m going to be so angry.
I 100% believe they would do that, as in a recent interview they confirmed they are keeping things vague for the sake of it so some things will straight up not be explained. And apparently the MXES security system existed this whole time and is very old.
Btw Psychic Fred Fredbear was the puppet
Scott posted a picture that showed Fredbear plush with puppet strings
Also his eyes are the same as the puppet
@@AlfaresAnas well if it was a Lefty teaser why use Fredbear colors and not any other Freddy colors
And I am pretty sure the circular white eyes are a puppet and toy Chica thing only and I doubt it’s toy Chica
@@AlfaresAnas yeah I don’t think saturations turns black into purple
That’s definitely Fredbear no doubt about it
Try looking up the Don’t Wake the Baby teaser you will notice how the hat and tie doesn’t look purple with saturation but the Strings teaser does
I always felt like there was nothing lore related in the box. Given how "the pieces put together" is up to interpretation, an empty box with a thank you note from Scott probably makes sense, but the community probably wasn't ready for him to leave. Hence why Scott felt like the community wouldn't accept what's in the box.
This makes so much sense. Another comment said the box was symbolism for closure. So Scott was definitely leaving a thankyou note. He saw that people were having so much fun theorizing what's in the box that he didn't want to confess to what was actually inside. He didn't want to kill the fun.
My theory of what was in the box is that it has Crying Childs tombstone, which would reveal him to be related to Mike Schmidt. I came to this conclusion after the thinking that "if the fanbase had solved FNAF4 then what would be in the box to prove that theory?", a line of thinking proposed by GiBi's Horror Homestead. There has been some evidence that the foxy bro is Mike Schmidt from the first game, and we just didn't solve it. Scott did say he expected people to solve the game fairly quickly and was suprised when they didn't. If we had come to the Mike is foxy bro back in fnaf 4 and assuming it's true, we might have gotten CC's name. Us not having it is a large hole in the fnaf lore, so not having it being evidence that that's what's in the box is his name could explain why we probably won't get it, a reminder that the community didn't solve the fnaf 4.
I just want scott to say "this is what was originally in the box, its not the case anymore, but this is what was initially intended to be in there"
There doesn't have to be a point to it other than putting to rest the "PLEASE WHATS IN THE BOX" stuff.
"What do you mean, Scott? What do you mean (Matpat's) theories INCONVENIENCED YOU, SCOTT!?" - Spaceman Scott
The puppet came in ‘a’ box in FNAF 2. In FNAF 4- what if it’s Nightmarrione? Like- the box is IT’S puppet box?
the community: what's in the box?
the fnaf 6 location: am i the box?
timeline theorists: when is the box?
my mind: where is the box?
theorists losing their minds: WHY IS THE BOX?!
no sane person: how is the box?
As much as I get the parallels, I think the crying child being the puppet is impossible. In the ‘happiest day’ mini game they are making the happiest day for the crying child, but the puppet is the one who brings the last present to him. Then he puts on a golden Freddy mask.
How would the puppet give a present to himself? Unless the happiest day was for someone else. But then who?
It was a VHS of rapping for jesus,that's what'w in the box
There were exotic butters in the box. Scott realized this would make no sense since there was no context at the time so he decided to keep the box closed and make a fifth game. And that’s why Sister Location exist today. Source:
The static that mangle makes contains some hidden audio that sound like a police reporting thay a little boy seems to be missing his frontal lobe, plus the phone guy suggesting that the victim of the bite 87 survived without their frontal lobe, seem to be yet another piece of evidence the the crying child was intended to be the bite victim and the puppet.
man, the image painted in my mind of the puppet being revealed in the box is so cool and amazing. like, imagine the ending speech psychic friend fredbear gives at the end of FNAF 4, but as the plushies fade out, CC and fredbear fade out as well. and then, the box fades in, and with each line of dialog a lock is undone, then the lid lifts up and you see the iconic line "I will put you back together." when staring at the lifeless puppet doll tucked away inside. it would have been SO SO COOL TO SEE THAT REVEAL!
...also mimicbox is real. it will happen. you cannot stop it. it is inevitable.
YES, THAT WOULD BE SO COOL!... Mimicbox less so. XD
You are so unbelievably right and things like this is why Scott makes me so mad… like what’s the point of rekconning the game for the eighth time to make it “more simple to understand”???
9:35 not “Gregory” just casually saying “yo.” 😭
I think fanf world was in the box, since the open box is contained within it. The clockwork ending being the resolution of fnaf's tragedic lore, which no one liked so the franchise went on.
Matpat talked about the box possibly being a symbolic reference to part of the speech at the true ending of fnaf 6. That part about a maze with no exit and all that
Crying child puppet would have really wrapped it up, but I have to say I'm glad this franchise has gone on as long as it has, who knows where we'd be if the story was wrapped up back then
Inside the box....
Is another box.
Honestly, to me it's not really about what's in the Box so much as it is what IS the Box.
Like, let's actually think about this. WHAT *IS* THE BOX? Well, Scott has said several times that the Box is all the pieces put together. The Box is the answer. Scott has been famously quoated as saying "What's in the box? It's the pieces put together. But the bigger question is - would the community accept it that way?"
This quote alone answers what's in the Box and what the Box even is. Inside and out, the Box IS the answer. And what is this box? Forever locked. If the Box is our answer to all of FNAF, then that means it will never be opened.
Part of what makes FNAF so compelling are the mysteries that surround it and part of the fun is creating theories and headcanons and reasons for why certain things are the way they are. If we suddenly got all the answers, that would be it. That would take the fun right out of it. We'd have the answer, there'd basically be no more theory videos and there would be no way for newer games to add onto the greater mystery without them having to start something new entirely. And the answer we get might even leave some people feeling unsatisfied and disappointed.
That's what Scott is saying. Like, sure. You could open the Box and get the answer. But would you really want to when half of the fun of FNAF is actually what we DON'T know instead of what we do? That's what the Box is. It's a metaphor. It's symbolism. It's what ties everything together in a perfect rectangular shape. You could say it's "Symmetry, my friend!"
And, yes, he has said that the contents of the Box have changed over time. But then again, so has FNAF's story. Time and time again, the story has been changed and so have the answers. So really, the Box itself and what it represents hasn't actually changed. It's still the same. And, honestly, I never want it to be open. Besides, we all already know what's in the Box. It's the answer. HOW that answer is conveyed to us is completely irellavent. Like, it could be a freaking link to a PDF that retells in detail the entire story of FNAF giving us all the answers and how it all ties together. That's all it could be. We already know what's in the Box, it's the answer! So who really cares about how that answer is given to us? But if we know the answer, then... what left is there to tell?
So, maybe Scott is right. Maybe some things are best left forgotten forever.
Something maybe worth noting is that Mike's younger brother in the movie seems like he may be the puppet. Obviously not hard proof cause different universes, but an intersting detail if it does turn out to be the case.
Personally I think that the biggest fnaf mystery is how the franchise has the audacity to say that the fanon names for certain characters aren't actually their official names whilst the franchise also gives us no clue what the actual names even are.
I kinda like the idea of CC being the Puppet. I wonder how the story would have gone had that stayed that way? Would the Bite still be of '87? Was there EVER a reason given for that change? 🤔
Scott did say he did retcon one thing in the first 4 games perhaps it’s the box knowing that it would ruin the established lore.
Not so sure, because in the same message, he said that the retcon was seamless and went more or less unnoticed by the community. The box is more or less the biggest lingering mystery in the series, I don't think it really fits that criteria.
I love that scott was like "yeah, one retcon" sure buddy. And I'm Judge Judy
@@vsnake8663 tbh I just feel Scott is just lying at this point lmao
Wait, maybe the Puppet is still the Crying Child but also still Charlie or was CC and Charlie but only Charlie remains. We do know that spirits can sort of transfer between objects so its not entirely unlikely that this occurred again.
I'm a pretty big "Box is fnaf 6" believer, with a complication or two, and I think you might've missed two things about that theory
1. It was originally created by MatPat years ago to my knowledge, but of course, many people parrot him in this fandom it's hard to track who came up with what
2. I don't think people tend to argue the Pizzeria in the ending employee training cutscene looks like the box. The bug revelation is that the VENT MAP in the Connection Terminated Cutscene forms the rectangular shape of the box when the sqare at the center fades away.
My personal theory is just that the Box represents the end of the fnaf story. In fnaf 4 era it was something like the Golden Freddy mask the Crying child was supposed to wear at his birthday, that he eventually wears in Happiest day at the chronological end of the first timeline in Fnaf 3. This "changed" because the ending of the series was moved up to Fnaf 6 and UCN, which were supposed to be one game, and the new ending, so the box is here now. And now in Steelwool fnaf, the Box is no where to be seen because the series is as ongoing and as profitable as ever, so theres no box or ending in sight.
These are just my thoughts and I wanted to let you know, thanks for making amazing videos.
What’s in the box?
It was Fredbear and Spring Bonnie’s heads.
It was Henry and William put together.
But the question is would Hurricane Utah’s community accept that a murderer and a coward created their fantasy and fun?
That’s my stupid headcanon
Items from Williams past, including his favourite; a red scarf. And kebab.
My theory, to quote a song:
🎶As the smoke fills up your tiny room, there's nothing you can do
And far too late you see the one inside the box is you 🎶
Scott: Perhaps this should be forgotten
Fanbase: But i saw you with the box, What was In the Box?!
Maybe, the box was the friends we made along the way
I, too, keep my closest friends locked in a box that I keep in a dark room in my house. They are too good to let go
How was CC meant to be the Puppet if both of their deaths were different? CC got bit by Fredbear and presumably died in the hospital and Charlie died outside a pizzeria/diner location.
I personally believe in the theory that the box contained evidence of the main character being Michael in all the games prior and that it was gonna show that it was this whole interconnected story about a family and Michael trying to stop his father and free all the spirits. I honestly believe that’s what Scott meant when he said “four games one story”, I think dream theory was lazy and all it did was hinder the important discussion about the games story
Like I said, the source code shows the bite in Fnaf 4 was originally the bite of 87 and the child survived that bite.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 it just seems weird to me y'know. That would mean that the crying child didn't die in the hospital, healed from their injury and then got murdered by purple guy (their father now) outside one of the locations. It's way too convoluted, even for FNaF. It would make the bite scene in FNaF 4 useless. Wasn't Jeremy Fitzgerald hinted at being the 87 bite victim in FNaF 2 since he gets moved to the day shift and the game takes place in more of the later part of 1987? I feel the source code thing is pushing it a little.
Edit: if the bite of 83 was meant to be 87 and that CC was supposed to be the Puppet, then that doesn't make any sense. The MCI happened in 85 and FNaF 2 takes place in 87. Puppet would have to give gifts give life in 87 for your theory to make sense but it was already assumed that the MCI was before 87 when FNaF 2 came out. You're theory requires a few convoluted things to happen.
1st: CC gets bit by Fredbear for no reason story/lore wise
2nd: CC goes to the hospital and recovers for no reason story/lore wise. We also have to forget about the end scene where William says he'll put him back together and CC presumably dies.
3rd: William kills CC, this time for lore wise
4th: it turns out the MCI happened 2 years ago and the bodies have just been rotting away, CC as the Puppet gives gifts gives life 2 years later.
5th: we also have to ignore Jeremy being the 87 bite victim hinted at
Link opening a random box in a house he’s looting: “Oh… That’s Charlie Emily…”
Scott went on record once to say he was going to open the box in the fnaf 4 Halloween DLC but chose not to
About fnaf 6 being the box, the vent layout in fnaf 6's night mode (when the centre square is gone) looks like the box, Matpat mentioned it in one video
Inside the box is the one peice
12:55 I believe Scott asked Matpat on stream “Who do you play as THE night guardS” during a FNAF 4 stream pre FNAF world. So while the physical name of Michael Afton may not have existed at that point, Mike Schmidt, FNAF 3 guard, and either Jeremy or Fritz were all at one point one person. Matpat proceeded to then misinterpret this as dream theory, whoops.
William afton belong in the box and let Baby shine as a villain this time.
What really prevents me from thinking that CC was the Puppet / was in the box is that I don't really think that tells us anything about the series at large. FNAF 2 already explained the Puppet's whole shtick and why it exists, so to have that be the big reveal that brings everything together would have felt a bit deflating imo. Personally, I _do_ think that Mike Schmidt was always intended to be the different guards and the dreamer in 4 (mainly because of the similar pink slip and the fact that Phone Guy can be heard in his room), I just think that nobody got that at the time. Essentially, Sister Location didn't retcon Michael into the role of the protagonist, it just made the fact that he was incredibly obvious. However, I _do_ think it's possible that he and CC weren't always intended to be Purple Guy's children, so in a way he _was_ retconned, but only in the sense that he went from a _Schmidt_ to an _Afton_
Or maybe Scott never plan for the lore in the first place
One thing I'd like to add:
The line associated with the box appears to be explicitly speaking on repressed memories. "Some things are best left forgotten, for now" As if someone has chosen to forget them until they are ready to handle the truth again.
The big plotline of FNaF: The Silver Eyes revolves around Charlie confronting the memories she's slowly piecing together while she's visiting Hurricane. The house of her father and the mysterious 4th closet she was supposed to only see when she was *old enough*, the occasional scrambling between memories of Fredbear's and Freddy's. Finally culminating in her finding the room the killer took her brother in. A memory she had forgotten, for now, and until then.
And with every other victim accounted for in a suit, where does that leave the first, and the outlier to go?
Henry is maker of dolls, would later be characterized as a man who'd do anything to bring his kid back to life, and Ventriloquist puppets are said to be a way spirits can be communicated with.
Sammy was meant to be the book adaptations' version of the puppet. And the plot revolves around Charlie confronting her repressed memories.
The final line of FNaF 4 is a line about the very same thing.
Maybe what was inside the box were the friends we made along the way?
What was in the box? It was a magical spell book that had the secrets of how to cast spells of Exotic Butters, or maybe a L emblem that change your clothes to Luigi's.
To add credit to your “Crying child was originally the puppet” idea (I’m a firm believer myself), The crying child didn’t have any familial ties to William Afton aka purple guy by that point. That came after fnaf four.
Therefore William killing him outside the dinner after he survived the bite of 87 would make sense. And by that I mean there wouldn’t have been the argument of “oh but why did William kill his own kid??”
Hope my little thought made sense :]
I genuinely love and agree with your argument thqt puppet is crying child. And it makes perfect sense that puppet was in the box. The box being a marionette box is enough I think. We didn't even need to open it. It is the crying child PUT back together by william. Ofc it is gonna be some animatronic thing. And crying child is very much indicated to be linked to puppet. Ofc it will be puppet as crying child, put together in the box. Very cool that you shared the marionette box thing.
I never call him "purple man" its Purple Guy/Afton/Peepaw all the way.
It's Aubergine man
Peanut in pizzeria sim.
nobody ever talks about how The Box has two locks on it. I feel like that's a very important detail everyone glosses over.
I equated it to the dummy box thing as most of those have two latches.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 i get that, Im just not sure its a detail someone would add in an art asset like that if it wasn’t completely plot relevant. I could see your point if it was two latches but i feel like the separate padlocks imply ownership of the box to two different people. Anyways, something I’ve noticed in a ton of videos about the same subject not a specific criticism of yours! Mostly just curious why it doesn’t seem to get brought up. Great vids and thanks for responding!
The puppet being the crying child is pretty convincing to me, personally. Hopefully, whatever is in the box actually answers some questions straight up. Like, there is always gonna be mysteries to solve, but getting some lore and character is the bare minimum to expect.
8:26
I just so happen to have the book (alongside near every single other FNaF book) on my shelf and can quote the description given by the Fourth Closet for you.
"John moved to a large green chest, the paint almost entirely worn off. There was no lock. John knelt beside it, found the handle, and heaved it open..." (pg. 110)
Sooo not at all like the fnaf four box, except for it having a handle and being worn, there's no mention of the straps and locks (outside of a direct line saying it has NO locks at all).
There's also no sense of importance to the trunk. Its just described and then goes unmentioned for the rest of the book, except for when everyone points out how weird it is that Charlie was found in a box. this would be a very disappointing answer to a question the community has had for years.
Hot take: the box shouldn't even exist
I agree with you because when I first saw that box, I was like WTF?
@@AlfaresAnas really? The box doesn't even have the entire fnaf storyline, it is just a box
On the Box = FNaF6, it was in a Game Theory vid, like his 2nd or 3rd after FFPS came out and MatPat said he got it from the sub reddit. the gist is that the Map of the vents looks like the box if you squint hard enough
On the Masks in the box think, HW2 kinda did this with the Bonnie Bully mask in PQ4, in a gaslighting kinda way, seeing as that minigame also implies that Charlotte/Puppet was the LAST murder, contradicting the 8-bit minigames, unless she was last in-first out, as in while killed last for reasons [also potentially implying that what spooked CC was the MCI], Puppet was the firts to be posessed, with Charlotte waking up the classics [except for Golden Freddy]
Originally it was probably The Puppet and was later changed to Happiest Day
There seems to be a lot going on with you lately, about to hit 100K subs and your birthday is coming up in August, if I remember correctly. I'm sorry if I'm off by a month and I don't remember the day. I remember you making a post about it a year ago, but I wasn't talking to you then, so I didn't think to commit it to memory. I'll be sure to wish you a happy birthday when it arrives this time though.
I also hope you do more theory videos like this, I personally like your detective style vids.
No, you're right! My birthday's coming soon! ^_^ Thank you for remembering, I don't even remember mentioning! 🫂
And thank you!
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 😳... ☺️, Uhh, no problem, anytime (I think).
Yall know you're never going to hear about something again when they respond with "that's a story for another day"
8:33 - Not me bookmarking the video here to go look up animated "Titanic" movies...😅
Wait until you see the rapping dog. XD And no, I am not kidding.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Oh no! Lol, I'm scared XD (also, new sub! XD)
I feel like originally there was: something about a spring lock incident of either William/his wife (assuming CC was an Afton) via death certificate or some article, Psychic Friend Freadbear, the wrench from Fnaf 2’s purple guy, and maybe the paystubs of Mike from fnaf 1&2 (maybe 3).
I may be shoving things in the box and cramming it down to make it close due to my experience as being a wife of a guy starting his own business (lot of unseen work), but it does explain a few plot holes that seems to be unsolved though nothing that was brought in through later games aside from the attention to Mrs. Afton.
If the original choice of FNAF 4 was meant to be dream theory, which I think it was, there was probably 1 of 4 things in the box:
1. The "My day at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza" drawings
2. A newspaper clipping about the bite with Mike Schdmit as C.C's name
3. A drawing of Foxybro holding a phone
4. A drawing of Purple Guy breaking C.C's FNAF 1 plushies
Now, I wonder if the Puppet is a Stitchwraith situation. There could have been the crying child first. This would also help the idea that the puppet would actively leave the diner to pursue Charlie’s body, as they both died in the same way. Which would perhaps evoke a lot of emotion in the Puppet/Crying Child, making him want to absorb(?) Charlie’s soul and take her in. Ol’ Willy boy repeats a favorite murder, and we get the first iteration of the Stitchwraith.
It also isn’t lost on me that the Stitchwraith wears a mask that is very similar to the Puppet.
I do like Scott's answer when asked about the box. Saying that he did have plans for it, and was intending to reveal what was inside... but then he forgot what it was supposed to be.
prolly the best breakdown of the box ive ever seen tbh
Thank you! 😊
It contains a smaller, even more mysterious box with FIVE locks (Could Candy Cadet Be The Mimic?)
the end being “probably the mimic” got me 😭😭 on a side note though, i think you hit the nail on the head with the whole “the puppet was in the box/was the crying child” thing- it makes so much sense
Well we got an answer. Me personally..I don’t really care honestly. Just satisfied we did get a answer
*Withered Freddy Cries in the corner cause a FUCKING BOX got a video before him*
I mean, he’s barely got any content
And that's where he will stay.
@@captainet2457 So did Toy Freddy.
*And look what he got.*
@@Andy_the_Collector925 to be fair, he’s in UCN and AR unlike Withered Freddy
@@captainet2457 And that makes it better, *how?*
i love that the entire fandom calls the golden freddy surveillance plushie "psychic friend fredbear"
I really want a lore shattering game that just sets the record straight. Like no holds barred straight up clarifying some stuff in the universe.
I feel like with Into The Pit covering some Spring Bonnie and OG Missing Children’s Incident stuff it could be a good opportunity to do some of that.
Nothing is inside the box. It just represents everything we don't know and everything we've forgotten.
I believe shattervictim explains what was in the box. The box is one thing, but is represented by two things. A literal object, and a symbolic idea. The literal object(s) inside the box are either the crying child’s plushies or the masks from the ending. Symbolically, they would’ve represented the FNaF 3 happiest day minigames.
“The pieces put together” is saving those kids in FNaF 3, reuniting them at the place where the beginning of the tragedies happened (FredBears).
The FNaF 3 minigames are the crying child’s memories shattered, and are somehow implemented into the MCI victims. As we know, agony can contain memories in them, and the crying child’s death causes some sort of “agony curse” on the Fazbear franchise, causing the fallout of everything.
The box was trying to explain, by putting the pieces together (the MCI victims at the end of FNaF 3), it was also free the crying child, and end the curse on Fazbear
I heard the theory at 10:39 but with better evidence than the building being the color blue. This is how the theory actually goes, the motion sensor map layout has a design reminiscent of the box as well as the building being burned, leaving everything inside to be left forgotten. Kinda like a certain box from fnaf 4. But hey, that's just a theory. A GAME THEORY!
(i am not sorry)
At this point, luffy is gonna find the one piece before we figure out what tf is in that box lol
All things considered, a game based in ŤHÊ BÓX could work all. If we're talking about a FNAF World 2. Like a big reveal saying that the FNAF World universe is just a bunch of toys in the box that the crying child plays with and imagines all the events of the game. This would be in character when you think about how intensely nightmareish all the "animatronics" are in FNAF 4.
EDIT: I would like to officially change this to a hot take
No, no. He’s got a point.