I like villains. Especially if done right. Sun/Moon is basically Two-Face as an animatronic daycare attendant, ready to pass judgement on you at the slightest provocation. Mimic is a villain I tried to like, but since his lore is all over the place and somewhat inconsistent (on top of confusing motivations in the present day), I can just say I’m indifferent about him. That can change if he’s logically expanded on. It’s so weird how Vanny was basically a mashup of both Baby and William himself, but (thanks to the censors) hasn’t made much impact on the overall story beyond just BEING THERE. Honestly all the story team needs to do to make me CONSIDER liking her is to just have her DO SOMETHING! Er, I can has pin? 😅
@@splitsee2526 SB (and Ruin) was developed by Steel Wool instead of just Scott, so as a gaming company they’d have to be wary about reaching a wider audience.
Not gonna lie, the Mimic looks like a sad, scrawny emo kid who just realized he ran out of eye shadow and has to make the perilous trek into the real world to go shopping at Hot Topic in 2004.
Cassie takes the Mimic to Hot Topic, where they both get their makeup done by Roxy, but the Mimic has a mental breakdown when they realize that they still don't look or act enough like Gregory. Would be a fun short story.
@@diarawisteria2218 the Mimic would be such a better character if it actually tried to imitate a person to the best of its abilities, instead of just dangling their voice in front of it like a clueless anglerfish
I find it insane that the scholastic fnaf books, literally aimed at a younger audience, has so much horrific described imagery....but then security breach, a mainline game, is heavily censored??
books: "the man couldnt take it anymore, the voices in his head drove him mad, the plastic child with the balloon in his hand followed him everywhere, and everyone he met started to look like the platic child, he ran into his bathroom to look at himself in the mirror to find his body was made of balloons, in a panic, he took needles from his sewing kit and tried to kill the creature in the mirror, his neighbor heard the noise and went to check on him, only to find lying on the bathroom floor, the man dead, body mangled with sewing needles jabed into his eyes, face, and arms, with a plastic toy holding a tiny balloon sitting next to him the games: oh no..!! vanny is going to... get you..! and if she dose the game ends, for no reason, becase its not like she KILLED you or anything..! nope, she just got you.. whatever that means..
I agree cause he’s literally a debug character and I LOVE debug characters A debug character or an anti-cheat character is a character in, usually, a 3D game, when chasing the player, can go out out bounds or trigger a game over when the player goes too far ahead in the game’s storyline. For example: When flying out of the map, if Moon is chasing you, he can literally follow you everywhere and even pull you out of Freddy’s chest, especially if you’re not meant to have Freddy at that part of the game. (If done right, you are meant to have Freddy though all of Moon’s chase sequences except for inside the daycare and you aren’t meant to be in Freddy’s belly during parts & service) And an example of the game over triggers: when you go into Chica’s room earlier than you’re supposed to and you open the box to get the party pass, Moon instantly jumpscares you with no chance to escape. If the game is played correctly, the party pass can normally be acquired when you’re prompted by Freddy after deciding if you want to decommission Monty or Chica first, Moon will appear, but you will be given time to get to the recharge station. You think you’ve gotten away, but you haven’t. In the dark void of outside the map, you can hear him. Right behind you: “Bad children must be found. Bad children must be punished.” This may or may not have been intentional to have Moon have the ability to clip out of the map, but it’s hecking awesome, when other games just crash or throw a paddy when you use cheats, really adds to the horror. Sun is cool but Moon is the best character in the entire FnaF franchise Thank you for coming to my autistic rant, my name is Ennard and I’m here all week
I’m so mad at how they handled Mimic. Mimic could have been great. It could have been legitimately terrifying. Instead it just… happens to be in the Pizzaplex for seemingly no reason and was VERY obvious that it was not Gregory. And it baffles me that the games were censored. *They’re horror games.* Also shoutout to Kellen Goff for doing a PHENOMENAL job with the Daycare Attendant (and literally every character he voices).
In the tales from the pizzaplex book series,the mimic is confirmed to be shipped with the glamrocks in a delivery seemingly hijacked by Glitchtrap to contain the mimic (rabbit ears). The Mimic itself was likely made in the early 80s or late 70s by an engineer made by Edwin Murray,made to take care of his son (noticeably the Mimic had differences:a ribcage,doll like eyes,no legs,and pincer like hands). The son in question dies in a car accident and Edwin takes his anger out of the mimic,infecting it with his agony, causing it to act wildly aggressive. The names
@jbiehlable "And without explanation from where he came from" He came from edwin. "How vansessa and gregory knew about him" cause she was controlled bt him. Here is YOUR problem your ignoring lore
@@the_inkmic See, that’s my problem. My gripes with the writing aside, I think it’s cool to have additional lore in books. However, the average player isn’t going to go out of their way to read them. There should be at least SOME exposition with the Mimic in the games themselves because of this.
@@Sing87eh not you defensing messy ahh FNAF lore, get a hobby that will actually reward you in the long run lol, they can make fun games when they're not shipping messy unfinished disasters but Steel Wool sure as hell cant write a story
The fact that Moon, a jester in pajamas scares me more in the game than all versions of Afton says a lot. Especially when he is crawling towards you like he possessed and I love it.
Okay, but Moon's jumpscare still looks like he's about to aggressively tickle the player.😂 Still doesn't stop me from liking the Daycare Attendant as a villain with a nervous sassy side.
I think the issue is that FNAF creatives, whether it is Scott or Steel Wool, want their main villain to be this unimaginable threat too smart for anyone to capture. Too charismatic or unassuming for anyone to be suspicious of. Too powerful to be front and center. That, on top of wanting to keep the formula of fending off against actual animatronics that match the setting regulates them to background until the climax. Pointing out Sun and Moon’s overall presence as to why they are beloved makes total sense.
The clown men were better characters than a killer rabbit who was teased for years and an 8 foot tall endo who mindlessly murders. Best plot twist this franchise had since FNAF 6!
@@greggoleggo9160 I mean...he only went to the FFPS location once. So he didn't "come back". He just "went". Though I'll give you the spring locks since he DID come back.
@@at_witts_end3470 he came back from the fire in fnaf 3 which was technically revealed in fnaf SL so I should’ve worded that better but still he comes back fairly often. The whole mimic glitchtrap burntrap whatever thingy could’ve been done a lot better and made way clearer.
I found it very ironic how you say the Moondrop will be the best villain because in the books, that was his purpose to be a cartoonish villain when the lights go off. The best part is that he can be three types of villains, and somehow it was still all for him.
@@ShiningShade__ oh yeah I know that's not actually his name to me it just sounds way nicer than just Moon. In another reason why I called him his candy name because of the security breach when the screen turns blue, you are about to get caught by him. I like to think he uses the candy in a gas form, kind of like catnap from poppy playtime, to make Gregory fall asleep.
@@kookiesanimations3079 nice theory/hc with the gas, nice addition to the gameplay, maybe that's why Sun is scared of Moon, because he's able to put everyone to sleep in no time
@@drawingdragonFellow autistic license holder here. I also find the daycare gremlin terrifying yet I’ve been obsessing over them for two years anyway.
When talking about the Daycare Attendant's abilities, you forgot about one thing. They can't just climb. They straight up *FLY.* Moon swims through the air in SB during their appearances, thanks to a little clip on their back that connects to the ceiling. In Ruin, we see Sun use this to fly up onto the play structures, and then Eclipse uses it to gracefully glide down to the door while carrying Cassie. Imagine getting chased by a moon clown maniac swimming through the air, who is small and flexible enough to squeeze through any gaps a child could fit through, agile enough to maneuver around any obstacles, and strong enough to move any obstacles they can't avoid. Also of note. According to a cut Dreadunit line, Moon is ALSO specialized as a *retrieval unit for malfunctioning animatronics,* with "accidental human retrieval" being pointed out as possibly fatal. If this line is still canon, Moon following this programming has killed enough people for Fazbear Entertainment to want to warn people about it, as opposed to their standard "Cover it up" mentality.
the fact that you were nervous to talk smack about a FICTIONAL character really speaks volumes about how ravenous and toxic this community is. You get a lot of undeserved hate, keep up the good work dude your videos are like the only fnaf content on youtube i actually look forward to watching.
It's crazy that the books are simultaneously required to understand the game yet also contain a lot of blatant mistakes. No wonder the fanbase and theorists are going insane
I don't understand this criticism of Baby, in SL she thought Michael was William and made a backup plan to bring him back with the "You won't die" thing
@@gaminganimators7000 because it is a total character assasination and complete heel face turn without any explanation to it, its bad character writing
@gaminganimators7000 There was just 0 previous buildup towards it as her motivation. All we see from Baby in SL is that she wants out of the bunker, and she's willing to kill people and even mutilate her own dad and wear him as a skinsuit to accomplish that. There's not a single implication of her knowing "what we were created to do", or desiring to make her father proud, or wanting to harvest "all those little souls", or anything like that. Her only motivation is a really simple one, and then suddenly once she's accomplished it, she's just given a new one with 0 explanation or logical leap.
the point about them just constantly tacking on new roles to William is really spot on. Imagine how much more coherent and interesting the story would be if they just bothered to write more unique characters, or bolster their other villains... the possibilities are endless, and we got the worst possible result.
I stand by the belief that if Springtrap William and Scientist William were actually two seperate characters that it would've probably done better for both. Springtrap wouldn't have had such huge changes and Scientist wouldn't have been tethered to Springtrap. Could've worked!
Long story short: FNAF needs more villains that aren’t William Afton coded (or tied to Afton, or just straight up Afton), and we want those villains to ACTUALLY BE PRESENT AND POSE A THREAT!!!
Finally someone understands that the mimic being glitchtrap and burntrap wouldn't solved the issue of fnaf games and would make it worse By turning mimic into a willam clone basically
@@at_witts_end3470 most of it aren’t really true like him not being Willam afton as it’s still on debate to this day right now Glitchtrap being dead I kinda doubt that until the next game
@@glitchdragonmasterdxd17th19 Steel Wool confirmed in the Fuhnaff interview Glitchtrap is dead. He's gone. And I mean, he did. He was playing Gregory and Helpi in Ruin. Not William.
@@at_witts_end3470 they didn’t told us specifically if he was truly gone or not as they can mean he’s gone for right now Along with the fact he was finished off by vanny didn’t give us full proof he’s finished off And that doesn’t help my case on how glitchtrap isn’t Willam to be frank as again glitchtrap being mimic is honestly debatable
What is annoying with William is that they could've had the aspects of him that they wanted, had they simply structured his story in a different manner(well, that and actually done story telling). Example (one that leans fully into the William that is irredeemably bad) with heavy simplification- William is a killer because he enjoys it, but first discovered that joy thanks to his son's death(or at least, assumed son) which caused a darkness in him to start awakening. When he killed his first victim(whoever it is), that just cemented in him that he wanted to keep doing it, to get the thrill again. Thing is, he discovered that his victims weren't as dead as they should be. Their bodies had long rotten away, but their souls were still out there. He becomes obsessed trying to understand it, both to ensure they couldn't get their revenge, but also to see if he could use it. This results in Funtimes, and the death of his daughter. Which comes the most important discovery for him, control over the robot is most evident when the body dies in the animatronic. Later on in life, possibly/probably as he was leaving his prime, he decides to make the leap. Thing is, he needs to ensure that they won't be able to retaliate. So he disassembles the animatronics, unknowingly unleashing their souls. However, as he has the suit he can scare them off, but accidentally kills himself with it. He already planned to, but perhaps somewhere else, somewhere where he wouldn't have been forgotten. Things occur(focusing on William), he runs into Elizabeth, now baby, and manipulates her into thinking that he didn't mean for her to die. That it is thanks to Michael being such a rotten son and brother that they're all in this situation. To explain why she still attacks you when William is right there(and is the actual cause of her death). He deliberately 'falls for the trap' because after Fazbear frights, he realized Michael had become immortal as well, and knew that as long as Michael was undead he would always have someone chasing after him. He probably expected to find a way to escape before the fire but after Michael was dead. He fails and his actual soul goes... somewhere. Purgatory or hell, you're choice. The thing is, the remnant being so ingrained on the servos(or wherever the data cam from) managed to make an imprint of his mind on it. This then becomes Glitchtrap, who wants to continue what he/William was doing before. Only issue is, he is now trapped in a digital prison. He needs a way out, and thus falls back on his most reliable skill, manipulation with it now being upgraded to possession. He uses the naive techs to experiment on getting out, deciding the best way to control them is to lock them in their own minds with minimal freedom. He has Vanny use her skills to get him into the Fazbear systems, to give him direct access to all of the animatronics. He now can kill without anyone ever knowing it was him. He is now free to kill as much as he wants, whenever he wants, and no one would ever know it was William Afton. As anyone who knew are already long gone, and anyone who might be in on the secret quite literally are unable to betray him. There, a coherent story that would've let them have him be a killer for the sake of a killer while also being a mad scientist. With the mad scientist part simply being there to allow him to continue on his killings.
Honestly i’ve always really liked how they portrayed sun and moon in security breach, despite how underutilized they were. From sun diving like 10 feet into the air into what was probably about a 3-foot tall ball pit and yet jumping right back out unscathed to pick up gregory, to moon jumping away once you turn the lights off to chase you, almost like he’s playing hide-and-seek with gregory, to the reveal of eclipse in ruin. They’re probably some of my favorite animatronics in the fnaf series in a whole with their unique gimmick, i think it would be really cool to see moon as the main villain of a freddy’s game, even if it might be small Maybe a small game where you take on the role of a child at the daycare, and it could include the cut gimmick of the daycare switching from day to night, during the day sections you can hang out with sun but in the night sections you have to hide from moon, maybe you also have the task of keeping some of the other animatronics out during the day sections for whatever reason, the others going away during the night sections, but you have to avoid sun dragging you away from the doors and such. Idk, i think it would be a fun concept but I mainly just want to see them utilized more
And then you have eclipse, he's like a backup security protocol, but he was so nice, like the nice one we thought Sun was, and I honestly feel their dynamic has so much potential
That boy Moon is actually a menace to society bruh. The fact that they gotta make sure the lights are turned off so he doesn’t come back and it’s implied by Sun that everyone knows is crazy to me.
I like the thought of Moon being a villain. Sun just trying to keep him at bay, trying to make sure everyone is safe. When Sun fails, crap hits the fan. I love that! It also would be nice if Moon was just infected with the virus and can turn back to who he originally was. I would love that.
Y'now, I love the fact you made a comparison between Moon and the E.M.M.I. from Metroid Dread. Because the moment you mentioned the way Moon moves around, that was the first thing I thought about. They both crawl around and contort their bodies in unnatural, creepy ways. And both are robots. And you're likely dead if either catches you. It's perfect.
Playing Dread as I listen to this, right in an EMMI zone. I 100% agree with this comment, because the attendant is ABSOLUTELY similar to an EMMI, and imo, just as goddang horrifying. XD
Gannon only continues to come back because of the curse that demise put on Zelda and link in skyward sword . That makes more sense than Willam coming back Just because it’s his catch phrase. Moon is the perfect villain because in universe it seems like that was programmed to play the part of a villain. got hacked or infected by a virus and ACTUALLY became one. That’s way better than of a villain arc then Afton coming back for the 100th time. Though I still do believe at one point moon was sweet.
You: "Moon is a better villain than Vanny." My brain: "But bro's goofy ass dances in place when hunting in the dark 😭." You: *elvaluates your statement in a 20 minute video using evidence that was way beyond my acknowledgement.*
@@DiogenesOfMashad”la Dee da what a good day to frolic around the pizzaplex meadows seeing what children I can pluck from their spines with my oversized rabbit gloves”
So many people have said it before but I'll say it again here: If they wanted a second Afton just give us a copy-cat killer. It would have allowed them to have their cake and eat it to. Heck they didn't even need a new character just make Vanny not brainwashed. I was gonna go more in depth but it's all been said before and better by others. I just wish they would get their act together.
@@at_witts_end3470 In fairness I meant the real life type of copy-cat killer, not a robot. I like the mimic more than most I think, but he was very poorly done and explained.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Vanny would have been much scarier and would have still held up Afton as an overarching threat if she was just a crazed serial killer fangirl who took it upon herself to continue his crimes or something.
William is generally my favorite villain of all time, he’s a really good villain imo Vanny was wasted potential, she could’ve been pretty interesting but they nothing with her Mimic is just really boring imo
Mimic literally rammed a mans head into the wall so hard it sunk into his chest and only his scalp was able to be seen where his neck would have been. But yeah. Boring.
@@at_witts_end3470 and do we see that in the game. Nope but we do see little gremlin moon swimming through the air trying to get to Gregory and crawling around everywhere and anywhere in help wanted 2. If a villain needs a book to show what it can do since in the game all it does is slow chasing and copy a voice then it’s not being portrayed right and probably never will. Also it has 0 personality which I get is the point but it’s a really boring premise for a villain where they can say it was so and so if the fans didn’t like it.
@@MossMothMyBeloved he also has daddy issues? Uh...he loves ice cream. He's bratty and almost spoiled. Very impatient. Everything Gregory says in Ruin tells you Mimics personality.
I always loved moon, but always hated how underused they were in security breach, they should honestly make a reboot of the game of what it was originally suppose to be and give our characters justice. Also maybe the reason the villains aren’t doing so well is because the franchises mainly focuses on the main characters and protagonist and in order to give them more character and development they should put in their perspective and point of view.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476I’m still salty about the fact we didn’t get Vanessa as a ally in security breach, to this day I still rewatch the original security breach trailer to try and think of what it could’ve been.
a "Security Breach: Director's Cut" or something similar with all the cut content restored would be amazing, though it'd really just have to be a completely new game from all the content I've seen that's been seemingly cut. Every time I hear about something cut from Security Breach it just makes me pull my hair out and scream "WHY??? THAT SOUNDS SO GOD DAMN COOL. WHY CUT IT?"
So let’s see here. First we got 4 animatronics that want to kill you due to a tragic backstory, then a child murderer that wants to kill children due to a tragic backstory, a manipulative robot clown that wants to kill you due to a tragic backstory, a copycat killer with a tragic backstory, a mimic ring robot that kills due to a tragic backstory, and a 2 personality animatronic with a tragic backstory…that’s a lot of tragic backstories.
One thing I think also helps make the Daycare Attendant a more compelling villain (or at least antagonist) is the thematic elements present in the franchise. See, the first few games were simultaneously "grounded" and "spiritual", for lack of a better description. The killer was a dude-an evidently smart dude, but still just a dude. Common themes and motifs were of things like "possession", "vengeance", "luring things away", etc. The mechanics of the universe solely lied in two areas: robotics and spirits, and even when the series got weirder, those rules never really changed much. Now, in this new era, the new themes seem to be things like split personalities, mimicking and impersonation, and, of course, artificial intelligence. A two-faced robot, both "too human to be a robot, and too robotic to be a human" like you said, makes for a very compelling character that reflects the current themes modern FNAF seems to be playing with right now. While I'm not entirely sure of the Daycare Attendant being the outright main villain for this current arc, I do think that as he stands, he's an excellently-done antagonist. (That, and I also agree with you that I wouldn't trust Steel Wool to not make him related to Afton in some way or another if they did try and make him a villain). Fantastic video, by the way!
The problem with fnaf is that it prioritizes fan favorite characters and neglects villains, because before, one of the fan favorites was a villain (springtrap) so it worked, now they don't know how to do it again. (Also i wish afton as a villain at least, died so that daycare attendant can rise)
Honestly, Sun is way scarier to me than Moon. Just an overly excited, aggressive guy who deep down is fed up and deeply cynical, and he's extremely panicky. He's tragic, relatable, and just off-putting. He's someone you genuinely could meet in real life as well as understand. Moon just comes off like a moustache twirling Saturday Morning Cartoon villain. Though I do agree, he's way better than Vanny.
The main problem with villian in FNaF is that, after SL, with animatronics gaining personality and character eleveting themself to the BIG bad guy by being human-like, with SB and everyone having a personality, it feels necessary to have the main villian hold some type of position to try to make them hold the confront. And the easy way is just continuing their legacy. It isn't bad perse, but it's used so poorly. The daycare work as (obviusly it didn't any major cut) is build as an idea with no competition. It worked as it was meant to be, not wanted to replace. The only bad thing about him becoming a villian is that it doesn't have a good goal, and don't have the vibe to be the main villian. But having him to be biggest small bad in the games, absolutely.
I actually agree. William didn't have to be shown doing much outright to be the "big bad" because he was the ONLY bad. The animatronics are just animatronics - they're haunted by scared and angry spirits, but they aren't villains. Now that the animatronics are basically people themselves, with motivations and backstories, a Big Bad has to stand out in some way. I also don't think Moon would fit well as the "main villain" just because he's suited so well to chaos and Impulse. Sure Vanny/Glitchtrap could USE him for their own goals, but left to his own devices he doesn't really have a motivation beyond immediate urges of violence or Mischief. I would never turn the opportunity down to see DCA again and again, but he works much better as a loose canon than a mastermind. I think the "big bad" should be human, that's just how I feel about it.
What I like about him is that he is voiced by Kellen Goff and has the whole sun and moon thing going on, which I like a lot. This might be a hot take, but to me, William feels a bit of a mary sue because of the whole coming back thing and how he is unstoppable.
Oh, pee paw is 100% a Mary sue, the universe keeps bending to make him look cool, even when he's dead the universe keeps bending to make him look good, even when he's meant to have passed on, nope he's too cool for that.
@@Crystal-pro-2024 yup exactly, and good lord, it also makes me livid to see people treat him like the victim when he's the villain who caused all of this. They also make his family look like they suffered more than anyone else, and make him have superpowers that makes him look like he is powerful than any character there is in the franchise and hell, even characters from other franchises that isn't fnaf, plus making him look like he cannot be stopped completely. I find that distasteful. Also, I wonder if he would want to commit global destruction, like bring about the end of the world, cause that would make a cool story in my opinion.
@@Crystal-pro-2024 Yeah, and that would've been a huge pain for Henry and Michael, because them having to deal William who not only kills kids, but goes so far as to committing global terrorism is... oh boy.. a huge challenge for them, it would be almost impossible to stop him.
I so wish they'd used Vanny like they advertised. She could have been so good. And while i hate the pessimistic realism in regards to the other villains, i can't necessarily disagree
I am SO HERE for EVERYTHING IN THIS VIDEO-- The barely-veiled distaste for the nonsense that is the books, the vicious tear-apart of the Mimic and Vanny, the sheer I-dont-give-a-rip in the delivery of "I'm not getting into the Mimic/Afton Glitchtrap discussion because I dont care," the excuse to rave about how great the DCA is again. Chef's kiss, I feel SO SEEN. 🤌 ✨️ I liked Afton just fine when they added the incentives of eternal life and mad science, etc, just because I like a villain having SOME motivation. But I stay clear of the books like a radiation hazard, so I didn't realize that this issue of rewriting villain motivations on a whim had extended backwards that long. I loved Circus Baby AS the villain for Sister Location SPECIFICALLY. I love Sister Location so much because it's such a self-contained story that does what it needs to do and then ends in a scary way. The reveal of Ennard, the concept of Ennard, is INCREDIBLE, and they stayed just as long as they needed to. Trying to set Baby up in the games like they did with the books was just doomed to fail; she wasn't written that way. She had a clear backstory, and one clear motivation - to get out of the bunker. After that, they genuinely didn't know what to do with her - I never noticed how her sudden change in motivation in Pizzeria Sim ONCE AGAIN refuses to let Afton go as "big bad," it is exactly the root cause of the Vanny issue! Baby suddenly being a minion of his without provocation always bothered me. I'm not even going to talk about Mimic beyond saying I hate him. He's lazy. He's the cheap filler in every crack in the narrative, and since he's EVERYTHING, then he can't be anything meaningful. If Mimic is where the series is going, theorizing is over because it's all just "mimic" so where's the mystery? He doesn't even have a motivation because it's just a machine. Vanny is the biggest disappointment to me though, just because her set up was SO perfect. It was RIGHT THERE and they flubbed it so hard. They had 1. An explanation for how the original villain was able to influence someone else (UCN, Vengeful Spirit not letting Afton go to the afterlife and keeping his consciousness around) 2. A limitation that required him to pass on the spotlight to a NEW villain while being present (Being reduced to a code/spirit and needing a mind to control) 3. A character with similar appeal as the original villain while still being her own thing (Another mascot rabbit killer, but this time a more tragic and unwilling participant with an added intrigue of a split personality), it was ALL RIGHT THERE. And then not only did they do nothing with her IN her debut game, they basically redeemed her outright. There was no slow burn over several games to let us SEE her as a threat - yet they're trying to keep bringing her up anyway? There's such a lack of commitment - they wanted her to be the big bad, but not TOO bad or they couldn't redeem her, a servant of Afton who's doing his work, but not TOO much work or else the audience will forget he's the mastermind! And in the end we ended up with nothing. I think the reason Sun and Moon work SO WELL is because they are what Vanny and Vanessa should have been. He's obviously a mirror to her, just a more minor antagonist in the narrative. He's an actual person who desires to do good, he's a victim of this evil but still indulges in it, his sympathetic nature doesn't somehow erase the genuine threat he poses to us, we WANT to redeem him but we also revel in the fear of him and want to see more. THAT could have been Vanny. Of the many mistakes made with Vanny, I think the biggest was in trying to keep things hidden. Yes, sometimes less is more, and you don't need to explicitly show us kids dying - I'm just asking to be shown *something.* Instead of this really weird mystery of "ohh who IS Vanny??" just show us right out of the gate that she IS Vanessa. We all knew Sun was Moon since he was first teased; that didn't make Moon less terrifying when he showed up. If anything, the realization that something so terrible could come out of a "nice" character was MORE scary. They should have showed us Vanessa as a human being. As someone struggling, fearful, desiring to do the right thing, a victim but one with underlying evil (the closest we got was her audio in the Retro CDs, which I actually enjoyed.) Show her become Vanny. Show us that Vanny IS dangerous, she HAS killed and WILL kill. Show us that we can sympathize with her while still being afraid. Thats what I wish they had done, and why I think DCA was an instant hit. I keep coming back to the story of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (it's a great book okay, and who both Vanny and Moon are inspired by as archetypes). The true horror and appeal of the novel is that a "good" person is capable of evil. That ANY of us are capable of evil. That's the terror behind the weird guy staring at the library vs. the generic horror murder AI. Show us a "normal" person, then show us how evil a normal person can be. Really the only disagreement I have is the idea that Moon would work as a "big bad." My issue isn't at all with him being too evil or unlikable, (as I've explained thats partially what makes me love him), it's more that he lacks motivation to be a repeat villain. He works very well as an antagonist, but he does best when he's more chaotic than evil in my opinion. He strikes me as the loose canon that wouldn't have any real incentive besides his own immediate impulses, not if someone like Vanny or Glitchtrap wasn't directing his energy towards a goal. I will never complain about seeing more of him, even as an unapologetically evil villain, but with the current record of writing, I'm afraid what makes him so impactful would be watered down if he was promoted to Big Badᵀᴹ
@LemmyAllanGP They really did have the setup there on a silver platter :( I'm slow to excuse bad creative decisions with "oh it was the time crunch, it wasn't their fault" but considering just how perfect Vanny was set up by Special Delivery and Help Wanted (not like it was stumbled onto), and how the Help Wanted games are some of my favorite in the entire series, I really would accept that they HAD much better ideas and then frantically tried to make due with what they had time and ability for. It's still infuriating, because it could've been so good, but there's really nothing to be done but hope they start learning from it. They're phenomenal at making games like the HW games, I don't want to take away from the team's talent, but SB it was clear they had no clue what they were getting into and overshot it.
@@drawingdragon Personally, there's 2 things that really annoys me. 1:they had much better plots in the 2 early versions... it's horrible. They trash 2 good storylines at mid-working. Obviously they ran out of time and focused on a story incredibly empty, dissapointing not only by the result, yet, what they abandon in exchange of that. 2: Censorhip, what the hell?! even if the fanbase have many kids, it's still a "horror" game, why?!, to top off, probably in the new game, they've gonna show us much worser things that a killer with a knife, ironic.
The Mimic, in my opinion, is a good, possibly better way to do Scrap Baby's Just Wanna Make Daddy Proud shtick. The way the Mimic was explained to me was as a companion for a very young child, around 3 or 4, given to her by her overworked father. The child died in a tragic car accident, and when the mimic kept acting like her, the father, in his grief, visciously lashed out and beat it. That's how the Mimic became violent. That's what always stuck out to me. The roiling emotions he would've been feeling seeing this robot try to play with him, as if mocking him, look what you've lost because you were too busy for her. The relief at having something to vent his frustrations on. The horror at realizing what he's taught it to do. And from the Mimic's perspective- If we consider it to start off as a very simple AI or mentally a similar age as the child- It keeps trying again and again to find the right answer that'll get it attention. Becoming violent. Cowering in fear. Running away. Each time a new person interacts with it, some sympathetic, some not, it learns a new reaction, then as time goes on it probably tries mixing and matching reactions. From an outside perspective it just seems to change motivations in an instant, but internally, it just wants to understand and play with someone. It just wants to learn. Would it trial-and-error it's way towards more positive interactions with people? Possibly, if it got further away from the people it hurt shortly after the child's death. But how would you trust a thing like this? Would knowing that it's programmed to mimic everything make people more or less trustful of it? Are they right to feel that way, or does it put them in more danger? I think the aspect of I just want to make father proud is more believable and more tragic given the child's younger age than Elizabeth as Scrap Baby.
I always suspected moon because in severity breach when he steals Freddy, he just waved at Gregory for some reason Also he is the one in the help wanted 2 ending And even in that ending there’s this like purple moon plush? Idk Theres also the jack-o-moon And I the caracel mini game, I really do hope they make moon a bigger villain, and maybe he might even be possessed idk
One minor correction is that the hardware he was born from wasn’t ever implied to have come from FFPP, it was just “proprietary Fazbear technology recreating personalities from the past in an instant.”
It was implied because Fabear Entertainment supplied the hardware and they excavated and built atop of the Pizzeria Simulator building. We can see where they plundered it even before Vanny was crawling around in there, so that's the best bet of where the old stuff was dredged up from- especially since Henry was doing his best to get everything 'in one place'.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 EDIT: sorry for coming off like a know-it-all and then proceeding to yap. If my comments are just kinda annoying I apologize. hm, that is a fair point- I more so meant to say that while it’s likely, it’s not explicit. I think that honestly they mentioned how they scanned in a lot of that junk; and if the MXES was built in the ‘80s like Steel Wool implied, I suppose the Mimic1 could have been down there. Thanks for making me reevaluate! On that thing about the mimic fans being ravenous- you aren’t wrong, but it depends on the platform. On Reddit GlitchMimic is the most commonly accepted theory, but UA-cam and Twit-I mean x- can be pretty ferocious. I remember that people always dogged on the Mimicgames believers, which sparked a feeling of hostility once the Mimic actually showed up- and then (especially on Reddit) people started foaming at the mouths over Afton being Glitchtrap 😞. Honestly what happens when a writer isn’t explicit about characters to the point it’s harming them. If Glitchtrap really is dead, we spent all our time with them trying to figure out what they were.
Well, unfortunately, that's an incorrect assumption. Not to be rude or anything, but we know from the epilogues that Mimic was delivered there before the Pizzaplex even opened, but it was in fact delivered. Hell, theres even boxes in HW that when their code is scanned returns "Send to where it must go. You will know." As well, 0rGN should have been out first hint it wasn't William. @@notrealnamenotatall2476
One thing I feel Moon has over Vanny and Mimic is the fact that he always seems to KNOW much more than you'd expect. He is VERY smart, not much you can do can fool or get past him. He'll always find you in the daycare, even OUT the daycare, the scariest thing is the fact that if he is out, he WILL find you, no matter where you go, he'll track you down. Hide in Freddy? He KNOWS you're there and he even knows about you hiding in the charge ports. He looks and WAVES at you, meaning he could've easily just grabbed you, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was stopping him. Freddy was on the ground, he deliberately prioritized getting Freddy to the robo repair center rather than getting Gregory. In help wanted 2, dude even appears in sections that had nothing to do with him, like Bonnie bowl. And his Jack o moon(personally, I like "Harvest Moon" better) form hounds you on the true ending, and HE is the crane Vanny uses, meaning that Moon is involved in putting down Glitchtrap. It's to the point where you can't help but wonder exactly how much he is aware of. After all, he is one of the few who ALSO directly questions the protags purpose: "What makes YOU so *Special* ?"
I thought the mimic was an ok one off villain, but a main bad guy? Yeah no. Sun and Moon are so much better, and honestly what Vanessa/Vanny should’ve been. I think the world would be a better place if there was more Daycare Attendant in our lives
Not having an animatronic as the headlining villian is a missed opportunity. Imagine if one of the animatrions was sentient enough that it started worshipping it's creator, afton. So it starts copycat killing, trying to replicate him. The family in the sticky note room could have been like it's sick alter to him, wanting to have been seen as a part of his family. He builds an alter to afton, killing in an attempt to make him proud and maybe make a skin suit in an attempt to further become like him since he had biological bits.
I'll be honest, using The Daycare Attendant as the new villain would be pretty cool. Strangely enough, him being a successor to Mimic is quite fitting as he's pretty strong, but much, MUCH more dangerous. "You took out the predecessor, but you can only hold off his successor for so long." Honestly, if I could make the other villains cooler, here's what I would do. I personally can't think of anything for Vanny, but to summarise the others: - The Blob, a monument to all of Freddy's sins, haunted by many unfortunate victims, of Vanny and Malhare. It's a hivemind of anger and confusion, lashing out at those who step in it's turf.... which Charlie would find out the hard way. (It rips off The Puppet's mask, leaving them faceless. Hence why said mask is not possessed when stuck on The Blob. She managed to escape before anything worse could befall.) - Mimic, a mime animatronic that follows similar rules to the toys in FNaF 2.. but ramped up a tad bit. Nice to the kids, understandably DESPISES the adults for their harsh treatment of the animatronics. - Nightmarionne, The Slenderman of Five Nights at Freddy's. Quite mysterious, but it follows Freddy's wherever the franchise goes, like a CURSE. Edit: Lefty could've also been a villain if The Puppet was in the newer games. Imagine if this old, burnt animatronic was hunting her down during the events of Special Delivery. The end of the game could've had her finally destroy it, and giving the DCI kids their happiest day.
I agree that Moon could be the best villain, especially if it was like the movie Split. You couldn’t trust the daycare attendant because at any moment, he could flip the script. This is dangerous especially if there are dark parts of a game where you need to rely on Sun to survive. Posted this before watching the video. Have you asked Scott Cawthon or Blumhouse for a cameo role or easter egg in the FNAF 2 film? I could think up a thousand ways you could appear in the film, even just as a voice. Like instead of Phone Guy, you could be Phone Girl, the narrator of Jeremy’s training tape or even the voice of Toy Bonnie, Chica or Mangle (without the annoying high pitch) just to name a few! What role would you wanna play?
Oh, I would LOVE a cameo, but I have no acting experience and live in the middle of nowhere anyways. XD But if I did, I'd be fine with just being like a silent role or anything. Silently standing there. Menacingly!
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 And this is why I think you're awesome, not only for the twists at the end of your videos, but you keep me guessing at how you'll respond! I wouldn't be surprised if you did it intentionally to keep me on my toes! But that actually would be kinda creepy if your face was obscured and you appeared in the background periodically through the film without it being brought up. Hell, you could play the ghost possessing the Puppet to explain it and be a cool reference to the books!
I think this is genuinely what was planned for Vanessa and Vanny, and would've made her actually interesting and threatening. That would be AMAZING though. If they did your idea, like if there's a second Security Breach or something, and Cassie is alive. She teams up with Roxy and Sun because they're the only two animatronics left "alive" - but Sun is unstable and can turn on a whim so he's both an ally and a threat. I know the whole Eclipse thing kind of doesn't add up with that, but man it'd be so cool.
Turning the DA into a villain would be a great direction to go in. They start out as a side character, a smaller boss who is imo, the scariest part of SB. I usually just watch gameplay so i have a pretty big horror buff but watching the daycare section and seeing moon sneak up on you at 5:50am or whenever it is was genuinely heart racing stuff for me. Side character, already different from willy a. Im going to politely ignore vanny controlling Moon in HW2 because i dont really care for yet ANOTHER possession arc. I think if Moon was maybe just corrupted or set wrong or way too into theatre like how SB originally implied, it would make for a great villain. We dont need more sympathy points for possession. I think it makes for beautiful character design for sun to be struggling with this other half while also perhaps not even realizing his own psychosis. I loved sun and moon already but I'd love to see them take on a bigger role as they are now. No rabbits, no possession, no "i always come back" Edit: great video btw, your stuff is always great but this feels like one of your better analyses and the dry humor hit really well. Maybe I'm biased though because I love the DA
As someone who thinks that game Mimic was a retcon, if Mimic really was planned to replace William as the new main villain since HW1, then it feels like Steel Wool panicked seeing the(understandable) backlash to Burntrap and instead of just building up to it after a few more games, they just dumped Mimic into Ruin. Like why aren't there any messages in SB that allude to it's existence? Or even a scene where it hacks into Gregory's Fazwatch and mimics Freddy trying to lure Gregory to it(since we know it can hack into things)? It honestly feels like Mimic was originally meant to be a book only villain(kind of like Stitchwraith from the Fazbear Frights books series), but again Steel Wool painicked because fans hated Burntrap and just threw Mimic into the games.
@@justsomerandomperson6506 0rgn was a teaser posted by Scott himself showing the Mimics scrapped head before Help Wanted. The Tales books were written in 2019, meaning the mimic was planned since before SB released. I'm sorry.
@@at_witts_end3470 I looked at the teaser and I honestly can't tell what it was because of the filter over it. Also the books being written in 2019 doesn't mean they had Mimic being the new main villain for the games planned that far in advanced. Especially with how terrible the reveal was(again there's nothing that even implies it exists in SB, and in Ruin SB's DLC they recommend players play SB first to understand what's going on). If Mimic really was planned then it makes it feel that Steel Wool again panicked at the backlash to Burntrap, and instead of building up to Mimic's reveal threw multiple future games after SB, they just threw it into the DLC and hoped fans would like it because its not William.
@@justsomerandomperson6506 it's an Endo head. The ORIGIN of Glitchtrap. In the books, The Mimic is said to have a brand new head. Also, it wasnt transparent (sure), but if you do research into the books and their contents, you'd find everything matches up, to the point this has to be planned. Also, Freddy and Friends On Tour literally spoiled the twist that the main villain was just an endoskeleton.
@@at_witts_end3470 That being an Endo head doesn't suddenly mean it's Mimic. Also the books and games don't match up, because the books are filled with errors. In one book Glamrock Chica is described as being yellow before later in the same story being described as white, the Mr. Hippo fridge magnets were recalled in the books meanwhile in the games their given away as a free prize, Vanny is no where to be found in the book(even though the books would have been the perfect place to use her because she barley shows up in SB), in Ruin the very same DLC the Mimic shows up in Cassie contradicts the story about Moon always being evil, and Mimic in one book is described as having a spider like body and in another a snake one, and so on. Also that scene your talking about in Freddy and friends on tour is literally a Scooby-Doo refence and a joke about the fact that underneath the animatronics' suits are endos.
@@justsomerandomperson6506 The Endo head is called 0rgn. Origin. Scott (who wrote the epilogues) made it clear the mimic has a brand new shiny head. Scott also made note of a water bottle IN THE BASE GAME thats from the books. The Glamrocks were cycled out. The original yellow chica was thrown into the sewers, where she's seen again in Bobbiedots Part 2 by Abe. The "recall" of the Mr. Hippo magnet is literally a direct reference to one of the messages in SB where someone says the magnets can be used to get Free entry passes. Vanny isn't included because the books take place before she was hired at the pizzaplex. They take place within the 4-5 years the place has been running. GGY exists and literally covers and explains the events of the therapy tapes. No? All Cassie says is that she never slept better than she did at the daycare. Likely because of moondrops. Also, the story that's a contradiction (apparently) was edited at the last second to be identical to the game Pizzaplex...soooo... The Mimic can shapeshift or change its parts around. It can also self repair and the like. It's a skeleton meant to fit into any costume. Edit: The Mimics model has textures and spring locks modeled into one of his legs, matching his fate from the books.
I personally feel like that only two extra things could of made mimic a great villain. The first thing is have mimic taunt Cassie as she runs away. Make him speak in the casts voice, telling Cassie to come back. It would made mimic much more of his own character. Also, make grimic (mimic when he was pretending to be Gregory) be even more snarky than the murder child. He would be very snarky, self absorbed, and descending towards Cassie, using the “OH NO ROXYS COMING” whenever Cassie gets fed up. Honestly mimic could of been a savior to fnaf
Your description of Moon and Sun as an employee in a child friendly mascot costume who’s constantly around kids, who can snap at any time, really put into perspective how creepy they are. It also helps with the whole “the true villain is Fazbear Entertainment/capitalism” vibes FNAF has going for it. Like… I’m not a writer but I tried brainstorming some ideas for potential villains, and while it’s nowhere near as good as how you described a potential Daycare Attendant villain, I always thought that maybe some kind of “hero complex” villain would’ve been interesting. An employee or fan of the Fazbear franchise who had been wronged by the company in some way, or heard about the previous things that happened in the company and decided to put it upon themselves to serve justice, or make sure it never happens again. Only… they’re going about it all wrong, hacking and punishing animatronics and staff alike in a warped attempt at making up for things that have long since passed. They think themselves the hero, and you, the player, are the villain of their story. This could also spawn plenty of sub villains. Animatronics who were reprogrammed and they now suffer from horrific identity issues, or animatronics who were punished for reasons they don’t fully understand. The fact that animatronics are so human now but also still robots opens the case for a lot of interesting things.
The problem is that other than 90% of the content of these vilains being cut from the games, is that like they said a lot of things are put but dont make sense yet because we need to wait for futur games for it to make sense but what they don't seem to understand is that doing this while cutting 90% of the content of these vilains in the actual games ends up with them being complete mess and don't feel "justified" or simply complete.... (I hope I was able to make sense... ADHD brain + being tired isnt the best combo 😅)
NotRealName: William Afton was scariest when he was THAT. *shows that picture from the graphic novel of him without a shirt* I agree, that picture will forever haunt me. Okay- so I’m going to be real here, I’m not a huge fan of Sun and Moon, at least at the moment. GASP, I know! This doesn’t mean I don’t think they could be a good villain. Everything said in this video is probably true, as much as I probably don’t want to admit it. I love Vanessa/Vanny, but…. not because of her game appearances. I love her bc of the way she’s shown in animations and comics and in the fan base. The way I see her in my head. The way I think she should’ve been shown in game. I love a version of her that I really want to think exists, but probably doesn’t. And I want to like the Mimic- but you’re right about what you said about the books. Whatever is canon in the books is completely up to you. Heck, you could claim In the Flesh is canon, and no one would be able to come up with an amazing argument. I don’t know where I was trying to go with this when I started typing, so I’m just going to end this here, lol- if you read all of this, thank you for coming to my terrible Ted Talk about Vanny or whatever the heck I was trying to say here, lol.
Moon's absolutely my favorite Security Breech character. As much as I love him, and would love for him to get a major role, I'd be a bit worried about how Steel Wool would handle him if he was a main villain.
Okay, so, the fnaf villains really did have a lot of potential. Personally, well actually most of us wish they dropped afton but I really like the idea of Afton as a "genesis point". Like, this one serial killer from the 80s started a whole bunch of shit even after he was turned into old unjolly green. So, like, have afton, have him be afton, have him die in the fnaf 3 fire. Then, have a new character (maybe a grieving parent) be the mad scientist. Have this person make the funtimes and experiment with remnant and all that jazz after they see "yo these robots actin funky". There, you can have your genuinely scary "grounded" slasher and your evil mad scientist lich but seperated a bit. Then have this mad scientists daughter, Elizabeth..... Kieran (yeah lets go with that) be Baby and want freedom and be Ennard and thats sister location. In SL youre Micheal Kieran or whatever. In the first 3 fnafs youre some investigator guy or summin idk and in fnaf 4 youre bite of 87 kid throwing hands with straight up Death. Have the Puppet still be one of Aftons victims, first, whatever (fuck you Chica) and be like, another villain. This lonely ghost puppet murdering and stuffing kids to take revenge on ol' Willie... and then going on to keep on killing and stuffing kids cuz it wants more friends (then have it be trapped in a bear costume cuz I really like Lefty ok). Then, my fav, Malhare (cuz glitchtrap is stupid). Just fuse it with the mimic. Have the VR devs be lazy asses who are making money off of actual murders that happened in their reality (fucking deserve the face chopping then) and theyre too lazy to code so they take some pieces of Aftons costume that contain all of his evil memories and experiences and tell an AI to imitate that... just the AI gets too much power and tries to exit the game. Itd also be interesting cuz its not technically evil, just imitating evil cuz its an AI, thats its job. Then, have Vanny be a copycat killer of Afton. Just like, super obsessed Afton fangirl, like one of those people irl who would actually smooch a serial killer unironically. Have her be her own, unique, developed character.. and then I want her to be paired with Malhare (not romantically) as a buddycop murdervillain duo. Have Vanny be utterly adoring Malhare and Malhare trying to be the Afton Vanny wants her to be (cuz its an AI that just wants to do what its told). Itd also be a fun dynamic with Vanny getting these supernatural powers from this phantom of the evil person she adores. So yeah Vanny's a warlock in this. Eldritch Afton blast. Here we'd have a full spread of different antagonists. Afton- a legit scary serial killer. Puppet- the vengeful victim turned abuser Dr. Idfk- the goofy "Scott likes Scifi" mad scientist villain experimenting with remnant/trying to bring dead kid back idfk man go nuts. Elizabeth/Baby- the pretty tragic trapped victim with newfound murder instincts. Malhare- the AI-fueled phantom of a long dead monster, a digital curse of a "being". And Vanny- the obsessed fangirl copycat killer who wants to carry Aftons legacy and impress the faker phantom by using its demon powers... and a knife! Hot damn I need to write this fanfiction.... sorry if this was all awful and worse actually I just needed to blurt this out. Keep Sun and Moon the way they are they're already perfect.
What’s so annoying is that all the villain problems could be solved in such a simple way that still revolves around Afton: adding Afton fanatics in universe. Afton could’ve been just a guy in a suit who managed to commit awful murders while in charge of a pizzeria franchise, with the child remains only being found in his animatronics after he’d already been spring locked and MIA, presumed dead. However there were rumours: that despite Afton losing copious amounts of blood at his last known location, he somehow survived in the suit. And after a Freddy-themed horror house burnt down 4 days after a rabbit animatronic was put inside, with footage of it emerging and leaving from the rubble, people got curious. Including scientists, for how did a man survive multiple years in a suit with critical injuries? A particular scientist becomes determined to recreate this miracle, and what are the lives of a few kids in the face of immortality? (Note: this bit could still be Afton, but have it as Afton experimenting after finding himself somehow still alive, not as part as a mastermind “plan all along” thing. He just happened to live, and now kills to learn as well as for enjoyment.) Cue the creation of the Funtimes. The Fazbear Pizzeria Murders and Conspiracies continue to be talked about over the years, and a woman named Vanessa hears about it. It’s messed up. A really messed up case. Yet she can’t get enough. She knows it’s not right to have an obsession with a child murder case…yet she still finds herself transfixed on it. How he got away with it for so long. How the Afton name became a horror story in every household. A small, nasty part of her sometimes wished that she could be like Him. The obsession flows over into the Fazbear brand, and she finds herself applying for everything to do with it: VR trials, security guards, mascot roles (unfortunately not like the ones Afton used to wear…), and before she knows it her life is revolving around a children’s brand. Not exactly the life she pictured for herself, but good enough. …except it’s not enough. She’s like a desperate fan girl, a weak imitation of Afton. He wouldn’t give her a second glance if he saw her current work; walking and waving and handing out pizzas, and the headset was making her head feel oh so fuzzy she needed to do MORE- It’s not until she’s adding tendons from the third child to “Her Springtrap” that she even questions how much of this idea was really hers, and how much was from the figure that stopped disappearing when the headset came off. Which lead to the final villain; a man working in tech. He hated it, sure, but it would all be worth it. He’d been a child when all the Afton murders came to light, and got to see in live-time as the Funtimes went out of commission. From then on he’d known he’d do better; succeed where Afton had not, and have his crimes be truly untraceable. Years of studying code, game development, animatronic hardware went by, waiting for his big break. Then it came in the form of a VR experience. He snuck in his code easily enough, everyone too overworked to care and doublecheck the extra lines. They trusted him anyways; he was the most qualified in the room, and if it was wrong a beta tester would report it back. He chose his target tester; a woman with a certain mania to her. Desperate with an apparently similar dream (even if she’d never commit without his intervention). Soon Vannie was ready. The project came to an end, but he asked to transfer to the Pizzaplex even with the large salary decrease. No questions are asked, as cutting corners is Fazbear Entertainment’s number 1 priority. He gets direct access to the Glamrock code, and even has time to work on his personal project: the Mimic. Between the Mimic’s increasing lifelikeness and Vannie’s rebuild project in the basement, he might just get Afton back. And who is the person who can bring back the most feared man of a whole decade from the dead other than a God? (He does not finish this however, as his own creation had doomed him from the second its purpose became clear. It wasn’t Afton, but it knew how to be Afton, just how it knew how to be an animatronic, and a child, and its own creator. It could be anything it saw, after all. ((And It knew It didn’t want a creator in the picture)) So Afton was just a man in a suit who killed some kids, then paid the price again and again. But legacies live on, and a scary minority hear the horror stories and want to recreate, or worse, improve upon it. Meanwhile people go wild over the new crimes appearing in a refined, updated version of Afton’s from 40 years ago, speculating in fear and excitement at the possibility of the man really “coming back”?? And it is excitement, and suspense, and anticipation as they wait. For as said in the video: “Everyone loves a good villain.” And there we go!! My idea!! That became a little bit of a story oops, but thanks if you read this far!!!
The first time Moon was revealed in a trailer, he looked so genuinely scary and threatening. It was almost like he was presented as being a constant threat, always there just out of sight. Crawling along the roofs, inside the vents, underneath the floors, inside elevator shafts, etc. Then the game came out and it was such a tremendous disappointment how poorly he was used. Edit: Both Afton and Baby were horribly utilised after Sister Location, despite Baby being super disturbing and a great villain / enemy. Perhaps UCN was the start of the downfall
When I first heard about Mimic, I was a bit salty that its backstory was in the books. Then I found out some of what happens in those books and started to warm up to it. And when Ruin comes out, after that initial shock factor wore off (yes, I fell for its Gregory act, I'm naive and I like it) and the secret endings were done, I just kinda forgot about it. Then I hear even more from the books and am left feeling disappointed because apparently, it's just another Glitchtrap. I thought it was its own separate thing, not just another freakin' Afton clone! And where's my jester!? Sure we get some "personality" in Ruin, but it's just underwhelming. I'm not particularly upset that it's bratty, I just want there to be more! I like the idea of the Mimic program. BUT OOP, IT'S JUST WILLY A. AGAIN! Not that I have anything against Afton, he's fine, one of my favourite video game characters (specifically back when he was just a man in a suit). I'm just saddened by this, like with Baby, Vanny, and I guess Glitchtrap too.
I mean most of the critism of "The Mimic is just Afton but not Afton" can only be applied to Glitchtrap THE Mimic is not an Afton clone,the only thing he even remotely does like him is the luring kids into the backroom shenanigans.The Mimic is its own character and he and Glitchtrap are seperate characters atp cuz the only thing that connects them is Burntrap and Helpi(If Helpi is the last remains of Glitchtrap). As for the Jester costume,i wish ngl.The "Gregory"suit should've been the Jester springlock costume he got springlocked in at the end of Tales
4:50 I think that baby’s character is used quite well. She’s a ring leader with no ring TO lead so she would probably go back to trying to please her father
This shows exactly the problem with villains in FNAF. In this franchise, villains, or characters in general, are shown and seen as more of a narrative than actual characters. We see glimpses of their development. Elizabeth is a character meant to show an "spoiled brat", a girl that wants to seek validation from her father at all costs, and how this unhealthy relationship leads to unhealthy behaviour, which leads to her becoming who she is in FFPS. However, we only see Elizabeth in two or three stages in her life: 1) In her voicelines in SL, which show her as a girl that seems very close to her father, and that loves Baby. 2) In the SL gameplay, in which she possesses Ennard. She seems to go along with the plan very well. However, it's very hard to know when Baby (who seems to be her own thing) ends, and Elizabeth starts. Both act almost indistinguishable from each other. However, from this event, it's hard to say her true intentions, as it seems to be an act of revenge against her father, but then if you reach the fake ending, she seems to have planned from the biggining to revive Mike (she repeats "you won't die" throughout the night). So, it's hard to know. 3) In FFPS, in which she's no longer under any influence from Baby, and is completely obssessed with her father. She warships him like a god, and does... human sacrifices for him? It's reached a level of insalubrity that's unbelievable. So, we see this, and we can have a somewhat consistent story arc or development in her character, despite how much of Baby was left behind. And I understand this choice. Scott didn't want to make Baby a new villain, nor he wanted to make her to replace William. He wanted another sympathetic villain that, as anyone in the series, is just another victim of his actions. He wanted to tell the story of a little girl who's wish and craving for the love of her father drove her insane. But... we just see glimpses of this. We only see these three brief moments of her character. This first happened because Scott didn't have many resources, nor experience, on creating characters. I get why this happened in FNAF 1 to 4. But, in SL and FFPS, things had changed. He COULD do better, and he DID better. Afton's lines do depict not "coolness", but delusional naricssism, and Baby does look like a crazy woman who hasn't mentally grown. But now, with Steel Wool, they didn't change this. That was Scott's way of making characters and telling their story. But, in Steel Wools era, they apparently still want to use this "method". With all the secretism and all the stage-like character development, the characters are still nothing better. Steel Wool HAS the resources to make better stories and better characters. They have no reason to not do them. Except they do: the narrative they have. This new era is actually not a "new" era of FNAF, it's actually a repackaged version of the last one. That's its narrative: mimicking the last one. That's why all the characters seem to be copies of old characters, why plotlines and events seem to be too similar to the ones from the old games. It's all about retelling the same story, because "those who don't lears about their history - like Fazbear Entertainment - are doomed to repeat it". Except that that's not an excuse to make BAD characters, when they could be way better if they didn't cling so badly to "the old ways", or whatever they're trying to do. That's why this new era fails in so many aspects, because it could do something deifferent, but they actively choose to go to the safe and keep the "FNAF formula" of never being explicit.
Just like the puppet vids, eating up these ideas. Would love sunnymoon as a villain! And yeah, vanny was so underutilized and overshadowed by her predecessor. And mimics big and aggressive but there's nothing really there
Just a little fun fact there was actually a cut Vanny animation of Vanny crawling on all fours. Tetrabit gaming had a video on it along with other scrapped Vanny animation. Also, thank you for the Moon and E.M.M.I comparison. I feel the same way
I think you hit the nail in the coffin with the video. I agree 100%. William/Springtrap was an amazing villain but adding new villains would elevate the story more. Circus Baby could have been that, like you said a serious threat that was really for the role but then got kicked to the curb and even has the afton they desperately want Vanny and mimic seem very stiff and bored and underdeveloped maybe future games fix it but doubt it Sun and Moon were always my fav since the trailer and agreed they were cool villains with amazing dynamics
I know it I flipping know it all that fan art of Sun/Moon being big villain wasn't just a me thing. I know it from day one of this guy appearing so that means I'm not a lunatic and honestly I think he can be such a great villain. 😁
Hot take that just popped into my head: what if “the vengeful spirit” is actually Elizabeth. Her playing the long-con until she could get her manipulative little mitts on the one she blames for being unfair to her. Even if it’s kinda baseless, it fixes both “the one you should not have killed” being some random unknown kid, and Baby’s character assassination all in one fell swoop.
Only problem is this video mostly ignores Ruin, which takes place after HW2. He gets rebooted and seems to lose his possibility of being a villain when it turns him into Eclipse. Though, to be fair, Eclipse thinks he will be seeing children in the morning, so who knows how he'll react when he realizes the truth of his situation.
Well, this is Fnaf. Villains randomly coming back despite being taken off the table is sort of the name of the game, you know? XD ...Plus, you've got a good point. Eclipse breaking- maybe from being removed by the daycare- might create something worse than Moon. O.O
I thing Glitchtrap could work as a villian, he has the potential to be a treat as silently scary as classic creepypasta. I don't think it ever speaks that paired with the whimsical movements gives of this aura of horror. Then there's his ability to possess others human or animatronic allowing him to gather followers inorder to get around the fact it's just an AI. But then they brought William back in SB, and honestly it should've been Glitchtrap. Perhaps his grand plan was to build a body for himself since again he's only an AI. Using Vanny as his right hand and with the Glamrocks now under his control. It could've even been the explanation for happened to Bonnie, Glitch trap could've killed him to use his body as the base for his new vessel since Bonnie was also a rabbit.
Ever since I saw Sun and moon for a few blimps of a second in the security breach trailer, I knew he was going to be my favorite out of all the animatronics in the pizza plex
I like villains. Especially if done right.
Sun/Moon is basically Two-Face as an animatronic daycare attendant, ready to pass judgement on you at the slightest provocation.
Mimic is a villain I tried to like, but since his lore is all over the place and somewhat inconsistent (on top of confusing motivations in the present day), I can just say I’m indifferent about him. That can change if he’s logically expanded on.
It’s so weird how Vanny was basically a mashup of both Baby and William himself, but (thanks to the censors) hasn’t made much impact on the overall story beyond just BEING THERE. Honestly all the story team needs to do to make me CONSIDER liking her is to just have her DO SOMETHING!
Er, I can has pin? 😅
you is gain pined
Never coulda said it better myself
wait why is she being censored lol
@@splitsee2526 SB (and Ruin) was developed by Steel Wool instead of just Scott, so as a gaming company they’d have to be wary about reaching a wider audience.
@@DCMarvel2009 ah ok that makes sense lmao
If you can look menacing while wearing pajamas, you’re a villain
but she doesn't in the game 💀
@@TheDogeOfSarcasm but moon does
@@Cyansational True, moon is very menacing. He even has a lil skirt thing on and he is still menacing.
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If you can make *yourself* absolutely terrified of you then your the villain
Vanny and Mimic: mysterious villains with a backstory
Moon: IM SICK OF YOUR SHIT-
The unnecessary censorship of Gregory mentioning his blood leading the big theorists to promptly conclude he must be a robot is so freaking funny
In the books robot kids or people are able to bleed. So its not that far of a stretch
its so dumb too because FNAF is a game series where we see eyes of the security guard hanging out of a freddy mask.
Not gonna lie, the Mimic looks like a sad, scrawny emo kid who just realized he ran out of eye shadow and has to make the perilous trek into the real world to go shopping at Hot Topic in 2004.
Cassie takes the Mimic to Hot Topic, where they both get their makeup done by Roxy, but the Mimic has a mental breakdown when they realize that they still don't look or act enough like Gregory.
Would be a fun short story.
Because he has a fabric on his face
@@diarawisteria2218 the Mimic would be such a better character if it actually tried to imitate a person to the best of its abilities, instead of just dangling their voice in front of it like a clueless anglerfish
@@Rangersilver6 Tiger rock:
@@Rangersilver6Seeing as we thought he was William until Ruin, he did a good job.
I find it insane that the scholastic fnaf books, literally aimed at a younger audience, has so much horrific described imagery....but then security breach, a mainline game, is heavily censored??
Books can get away with a lot more because they don’t have the same criteria for age appropriateness.
books: "the man couldnt take it anymore, the voices in his head drove him mad, the plastic child with the balloon in his hand followed him everywhere, and everyone he met started to look like the platic child, he ran into his bathroom to look at himself in the mirror to find his body was made of balloons, in a panic, he took needles from his sewing kit and tried to kill the creature in the mirror, his neighbor heard the noise and went to check on him, only to find lying on the bathroom floor, the man dead, body mangled with sewing needles jabed into his eyes, face, and arms, with a plastic toy holding a tiny balloon sitting next to him
the games: oh no..!! vanny is going to... get you..! and if she dose the game ends, for no reason, becase its not like she KILLED you or anything..! nope, she just got you.. whatever that means..
He's going to be _over the moon_ when he hears abiut this one
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I agree cause he’s literally a debug character and I LOVE debug characters
A debug character or an anti-cheat character is a character in, usually, a 3D game, when chasing the player, can go out out bounds or trigger a game over when the player goes too far ahead in the game’s storyline.
For example:
When flying out of the map, if Moon is chasing you, he can literally follow you everywhere and even pull you out of Freddy’s chest, especially if you’re not meant to have Freddy at that part of the game. (If done right, you are meant to have Freddy though all of Moon’s chase sequences except for inside the daycare and you aren’t meant to be in Freddy’s belly during parts & service)
And an example of the game over triggers: when you go into Chica’s room earlier than you’re supposed to and you open the box to get the party pass, Moon instantly jumpscares you with no chance to escape.
If the game is played correctly, the party pass can normally be acquired when you’re prompted by Freddy after deciding if you want to decommission Monty or Chica first, Moon will appear, but you will be given time to get to the recharge station.
You think you’ve gotten away, but you haven’t. In the dark void of outside the map, you can hear him. Right behind you: “Bad children must be found. Bad children must be punished.”
This may or may not have been intentional to have Moon have the ability to clip out of the map, but it’s hecking awesome, when other games just crash or throw a paddy when you use cheats, really adds to the horror.
Sun is cool but Moon is the best character in the entire FnaF franchise
Thank you for coming to my autistic rant, my name is Ennard and I’m here all week
I’m so mad at how they handled Mimic. Mimic could have been great. It could have been legitimately terrifying. Instead it just… happens to be in the Pizzaplex for seemingly no reason and was VERY obvious that it was not Gregory.
And it baffles me that the games were censored. *They’re horror games.*
Also shoutout to Kellen Goff for doing a PHENOMENAL job with the Daycare Attendant (and literally every character he voices).
In the tales from the pizzaplex book series,the mimic is confirmed to be shipped with the glamrocks in a delivery seemingly hijacked by Glitchtrap to contain the mimic (rabbit ears). The Mimic itself was likely made in the early 80s or late 70s by an engineer made by Edwin Murray,made to take care of his son (noticeably the Mimic had differences:a ribcage,doll like eyes,no legs,and pincer like hands). The son in question dies in a car accident and Edwin takes his anger out of the mimic,infecting it with his agony, causing it to act wildly aggressive.
The names
@jbiehlable
"And without explanation from where he came from"
He came from edwin.
"How vansessa and gregory knew about him" cause she was controlled bt him.
Here is YOUR problem your ignoring lore
@@the_inkmic See, that’s my problem.
My gripes with the writing aside, I think it’s cool to have additional lore in books. However, the average player isn’t going to go out of their way to read them. There should be at least SOME exposition with the Mimic in the games themselves because of this.
@@Sing87eh not you defensing messy ahh FNAF lore, get a hobby that will actually reward you in the long run lol, they can make fun games when they're not shipping messy unfinished disasters but Steel Wool sure as hell cant write a story
@@adrianrandom3448 yes there story is messy but i love it. And i don't think i need a hobby cause of it
The fact that Moon, a jester in pajamas scares me more in the game than all versions of Afton says a lot. Especially when he is crawling towards you like he possessed and I love it.
The mimic is not a version of William and we should not even compare it to him
@dylanhudec979 plus the mimic is new and will have it's story in the next game
Okay, but Moon's jumpscare still looks like he's about to aggressively tickle the player.😂 Still doesn't stop me from liking the Daycare Attendant as a villain with a nervous sassy side.
aggressive tickles are scary, especially if it's from someone who doesn't stop when asked to, and has sharp nails.
@@33pandagamer and laughs mischeviously
My fries felt like they were missing something, so I’m glad to have this extra salt
I think the issue is that FNAF creatives, whether it is Scott or Steel Wool, want their main villain to be this unimaginable threat too smart for anyone to capture. Too charismatic or unassuming for anyone to be suspicious of. Too powerful to be front and center. That, on top of wanting to keep the formula of fending off against actual animatronics that match the setting regulates them to background until the climax.
Pointing out Sun and Moon’s overall presence as to why they are beloved makes total sense.
The clown men were better characters than a killer rabbit who was teased for years and an 8 foot tall endo who mindlessly murders. Best plot twist this franchise had since FNAF 6!
I'd take the two face clowns rather than the killer rabbit that got ripped apart by bots
We really can’t be surprised that Afton keeps coming back when his catchphrase is literally “I always come back”
Some of us after "👁The Mimic👁" didn't work as expected: *Afton you have the right to come back*
He never came back. :)
@@at_witts_end3470fnaf 6 never happened and neither did the springlocks.
@@greggoleggo9160 I mean...he only went to the FFPS location once. So he didn't "come back". He just "went".
Though I'll give you the spring locks since he DID come back.
@@at_witts_end3470 he came back from the fire in fnaf 3 which was technically revealed in fnaf SL so I should’ve worded that better but still he comes back fairly often. The whole mimic glitchtrap burntrap whatever thingy could’ve been done a lot better and made way clearer.
I found it very ironic how you say the Moondrop will be the best villain because in the books, that was his purpose to be a cartoonish villain when the lights go off. The best part is that he can be three types of villains, and somehow it was still all for him.
Man's so powerful that he can fit ALL villain archetypes at once, what a Chad
@@drawingdragon he can embody many villain archetypes, and the funny part is that he can actually work and still be likable while doing it
Moondrop is a candy sold in the Pizza Plex not animatronic name, he's just called Moon
@@ShiningShade__ oh yeah I know that's not actually his name to me it just sounds way nicer than just Moon. In another reason why I called him his candy name because of the security breach when the screen turns blue, you are about to get caught by him. I like to think he uses the candy in a gas form, kind of like catnap from poppy playtime, to make Gregory fall asleep.
@@kookiesanimations3079 nice theory/hc with the gas, nice addition to the gameplay, maybe that's why Sun is scared of Moon, because he's able to put everyone to sleep in no time
“He’s actually scary”
The entire DCA sub-fandom has entered the chat: “I OBJECT”
As an official Autistic License holder, I can confirm that the Daycare man IS very scary and I love him wholeheartedly anyway
@@drawingdragonFellow autistic license holder here. I also find the daycare gremlin terrifying yet I’ve been obsessing over them for two years anyway.
Bold of you to assume the terror isn’t part of the appeal
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No, no, he is scary. He strikes the perfect balance between scary and sympathetic, in fact
Jimmy neutron Scraptrap is the funniest meme I’ve ever seen on him 😂
When talking about the Daycare Attendant's abilities, you forgot about one thing.
They can't just climb. They straight up *FLY.* Moon swims through the air in SB during their appearances, thanks to a little clip on their back that connects to the ceiling. In Ruin, we see Sun use this to fly up onto the play structures, and then Eclipse uses it to gracefully glide down to the door while carrying Cassie.
Imagine getting chased by a moon clown maniac swimming through the air, who is small and flexible enough to squeeze through any gaps a child could fit through, agile enough to maneuver around any obstacles, and strong enough to move any obstacles they can't avoid.
Also of note. According to a cut Dreadunit line, Moon is ALSO specialized as a *retrieval unit for malfunctioning animatronics,* with "accidental human retrieval" being pointed out as possibly fatal. If this line is still canon, Moon following this programming has killed enough people for Fazbear Entertainment to want to warn people about it, as opposed to their standard "Cover it up" mentality.
the fact that you were nervous to talk smack about a FICTIONAL character really speaks volumes about how ravenous and toxic this community is. You get a lot of undeserved hate, keep up the good work dude your videos are like the only fnaf content on youtube i actually look forward to watching.
It's crazy that the books are simultaneously required to understand the game yet also contain a lot of blatant mistakes. No wonder the fanbase and theorists are going insane
Dead by daycare
HA! NICE
Can't wait for the next game where DaycAtten suddenly loves Mimic and just "wants to make him proud, daddy"
STOP-- 💀
I don't understand this criticism of Baby, in SL she thought Michael was William and made a backup plan to bring him back with the "You won't die" thing
@@gaminganimators7000 because it is a total character assasination and complete heel face turn without any explanation to it, its bad character writing
@gaminganimators7000 There was just 0 previous buildup towards it as her motivation. All we see from Baby in SL is that she wants out of the bunker, and she's willing to kill people and even mutilate her own dad and wear him as a skinsuit to accomplish that. There's not a single implication of her knowing "what we were created to do", or desiring to make her father proud, or wanting to harvest "all those little souls", or anything like that. Her only motivation is a really simple one, and then suddenly once she's accomplished it, she's just given a new one with 0 explanation or logical leap.
No! 😭
the point about them just constantly tacking on new roles to William is really spot on. Imagine how much more coherent and interesting the story would be if they just bothered to write more unique characters, or bolster their other villains... the possibilities are endless, and we got the worst possible result.
I stand by the belief that if Springtrap William and Scientist William were actually two seperate characters that it would've probably done better for both. Springtrap wouldn't have had such huge changes and Scientist wouldn't have been tethered to Springtrap. Could've worked!
Long story short: FNAF needs more villains that aren’t William Afton coded (or tied to Afton, or just straight up Afton), and we want those villains to ACTUALLY BE PRESENT AND POSE A THREAT!!!
Finally someone understands that the mimic being glitchtrap and burntrap wouldn't solved the issue of fnaf games and would make it worse
By turning mimic into a willam clone basically
@@glitchdragonmasterdxd17th19He dropped the bit though. He's not William anymore. Glitchtrap is dead.
@@at_witts_end3470 most of it aren’t really true like him not being Willam afton as it’s still on debate to this day right now
Glitchtrap being dead I kinda doubt that until the next game
@@glitchdragonmasterdxd17th19 Steel Wool confirmed in the Fuhnaff interview Glitchtrap is dead. He's gone.
And I mean, he did. He was playing Gregory and Helpi in Ruin. Not William.
@@at_witts_end3470 they didn’t told us specifically if he was truly gone or not as they can mean he’s gone for right now
Along with the fact he was finished off by vanny didn’t give us full proof he’s finished off
And that doesn’t help my case on how glitchtrap isn’t Willam to be frank as again glitchtrap being mimic is honestly debatable
What is annoying with William is that they could've had the aspects of him that they wanted, had they simply structured his story in a different manner(well, that and actually done story telling).
Example (one that leans fully into the William that is irredeemably bad) with heavy simplification-
William is a killer because he enjoys it, but first discovered that joy thanks to his son's death(or at least, assumed son) which caused a darkness in him to start awakening. When he killed his first victim(whoever it is), that just cemented in him that he wanted to keep doing it, to get the thrill again.
Thing is, he discovered that his victims weren't as dead as they should be. Their bodies had long rotten away, but their souls were still out there. He becomes obsessed trying to understand it, both to ensure they couldn't get their revenge, but also to see if he could use it. This results in Funtimes, and the death of his daughter. Which comes the most important discovery for him, control over the robot is most evident when the body dies in the animatronic.
Later on in life, possibly/probably as he was leaving his prime, he decides to make the leap. Thing is, he needs to ensure that they won't be able to retaliate. So he disassembles the animatronics, unknowingly unleashing their souls. However, as he has the suit he can scare them off, but accidentally kills himself with it. He already planned to, but perhaps somewhere else, somewhere where he wouldn't have been forgotten.
Things occur(focusing on William), he runs into Elizabeth, now baby, and manipulates her into thinking that he didn't mean for her to die. That it is thanks to Michael being such a rotten son and brother that they're all in this situation. To explain why she still attacks you when William is right there(and is the actual cause of her death). He deliberately 'falls for the trap' because after Fazbear frights, he realized Michael had become immortal as well, and knew that as long as Michael was undead he would always have someone chasing after him. He probably expected to find a way to escape before the fire but after Michael was dead. He fails and his actual soul goes... somewhere. Purgatory or hell, you're choice.
The thing is, the remnant being so ingrained on the servos(or wherever the data cam from) managed to make an imprint of his mind on it. This then becomes Glitchtrap, who wants to continue what he/William was doing before. Only issue is, he is now trapped in a digital prison. He needs a way out, and thus falls back on his most reliable skill, manipulation with it now being upgraded to possession. He uses the naive techs to experiment on getting out, deciding the best way to control them is to lock them in their own minds with minimal freedom.
He has Vanny use her skills to get him into the Fazbear systems, to give him direct access to all of the animatronics. He now can kill without anyone ever knowing it was him. He is now free to kill as much as he wants, whenever he wants, and no one would ever know it was William Afton. As anyone who knew are already long gone, and anyone who might be in on the secret quite literally are unable to betray him.
There, a coherent story that would've let them have him be a killer for the sake of a killer while also being a mad scientist. With the mad scientist part simply being there to allow him to continue on his killings.
THATS EXAXTLY WHO I THOUGHT WILLIAM WAS I THOUGHT GLITCHTRAP WAS JUST FROM SCANNED REMAINS OF SPRINGTRAP
Dude, this is godlike
Honestly i’ve always really liked how they portrayed sun and moon in security breach, despite how underutilized they were. From sun diving like 10 feet into the air into what was probably about a 3-foot tall ball pit and yet jumping right back out unscathed to pick up gregory, to moon jumping away once you turn the lights off to chase you, almost like he’s playing hide-and-seek with gregory, to the reveal of eclipse in ruin. They’re probably some of my favorite animatronics in the fnaf series in a whole with their unique gimmick, i think it would be really cool to see moon as the main villain of a freddy’s game, even if it might be small
Maybe a small game where you take on the role of a child at the daycare, and it could include the cut gimmick of the daycare switching from day to night, during the day sections you can hang out with sun but in the night sections you have to hide from moon, maybe you also have the task of keeping some of the other animatronics out during the day sections for whatever reason, the others going away during the night sections, but you have to avoid sun dragging you away from the doors and such.
Idk, i think it would be a fun concept but I mainly just want to see them utilized more
And then you have eclipse, he's like a backup security protocol, but he was so nice, like the nice one we thought Sun was, and I honestly feel their dynamic has so much potential
That boy Moon is actually a menace to society bruh. The fact that they gotta make sure the lights are turned off so he doesn’t come back and it’s implied by Sun that everyone knows is crazy to me.
I like the thought of Moon being a villain. Sun just trying to keep him at bay, trying to make sure everyone is safe. When Sun fails, crap hits the fan. I love that! It also would be nice if Moon was just infected with the virus and can turn back to who he originally was. I would love that.
Y'now, I love the fact you made a comparison between Moon and the E.M.M.I. from Metroid Dread. Because the moment you mentioned the way Moon moves around, that was the first thing I thought about.
They both crawl around and contort their bodies in unnatural, creepy ways. And both are robots. And you're likely dead if either catches you. It's perfect.
Playing Dread as I listen to this, right in an EMMI zone. I 100% agree with this comment, because the attendant is ABSOLUTELY similar to an EMMI, and imo, just as goddang horrifying. XD
Gannon only continues to come back because of the curse that demise put on Zelda and link in skyward sword . That makes more sense than Willam coming back Just because it’s his catch phrase. Moon is the perfect villain because in universe it seems like that was programmed to play the part of a villain. got hacked or infected by a virus and ACTUALLY became one. That’s way better than of a villain arc then Afton coming back for the 100th time. Though I still do believe at one point moon was sweet.
I really hope we get a game where we get to see Sun and Moon's origins. I'd love to see how Moon was before the events of SB.
You: "Moon is a better villain than Vanny."
My brain: "But bro's goofy ass dances in place when hunting in the dark 😭."
You: *elvaluates your statement in a 20 minute video using evidence that was way beyond my acknowledgement.*
I mean, is it really all that worse than Vanny frolicking like the Pizzaplex is a field of meadows?
@@DiogenesOfMashad”la Dee da what a good day to frolic around the pizzaplex meadows seeing what children I can pluck from their spines with my oversized rabbit gloves”
@@greggoleggo9160 Da da do nothing like skipping around an abandon mcdonalds while there's killer robots roaming around I'm just skipping
So many people have said it before but I'll say it again here: If they wanted a second Afton just give us a copy-cat killer. It would have allowed them to have their cake and eat it to. Heck they didn't even need a new character just make Vanny not brainwashed. I was gonna go more in depth but it's all been said before and better by others. I just wish they would get their act together.
They did. They have a copycat killer. His name is The Mimic.
Mimic...as in to imitate...or to copy.
@@at_witts_end3470 In fairness I meant the real life type of copy-cat killer, not a robot. I like the mimic more than most I think, but he was very poorly done and explained.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Vanny would have been much scarier and would have still held up Afton as an overarching threat if she was just a crazed serial killer fangirl who took it upon herself to continue his crimes or something.
@@mochagatari Exactly!
William is generally my favorite villain of all time, he’s a really good villain imo
Vanny was wasted potential, she could’ve been pretty interesting but they nothing with her
Mimic is just really boring imo
Mimic literally rammed a mans head into the wall so hard it sunk into his chest and only his scalp was able to be seen where his neck would have been.
But yeah. Boring.
@@at_witts_end3470 Idk if being really strong makes a villain particularly interesting
@@at_witts_end3470 and do we see that in the game. Nope but we do see little gremlin moon swimming through the air trying to get to Gregory and crawling around everywhere and anywhere in help wanted 2. If a villain needs a book to show what it can do since in the game all it does is slow chasing and copy a voice then it’s not being portrayed right and probably never will. Also it has 0 personality which I get is the point but it’s a really boring premise for a villain where they can say it was so and so if the fans didn’t like it.
@@MossMothMyBeloved he also has daddy issues? Uh...he loves ice cream. He's bratty and almost spoiled. Very impatient. Everything Gregory says in Ruin tells you Mimics personality.
@@at_witts_end3470 I mean I don't think those are very interesting either but to each their own
I always loved moon, but always hated how underused they were in security breach, they should honestly make a reboot of the game of what it was originally suppose to be and give our characters justice.
Also maybe the reason the villains aren’t doing so well is because the franchises mainly focuses on the main characters and protagonist and in order to give them more character and development they should put in their perspective and point of view.
Perhaps, but Fnaf's only started focusing on protagonists very recently. Michael Afton was... an unfortunate loss, lol.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476I’m still salty about the fact we didn’t get Vanessa as a ally in security breach, to this day I still rewatch the original security breach trailer to try and think of what it could’ve been.
Sun and moon are he/him, eclipse is they/them
@@notrealnamenotatall2476Being a Sister Location fan is suffering.
a "Security Breach: Director's Cut" or something similar with all the cut content restored would be amazing, though it'd really just have to be a completely new game from all the content I've seen that's been seemingly cut. Every time I hear about something cut from Security Breach it just makes me pull my hair out and scream "WHY??? THAT SOUNDS SO GOD DAMN COOL. WHY CUT IT?"
I like Moon. I just think he’s neat. :)
(The only reason I passed the Daycare was because he glitched into the playpen.)
"I could take her. I would fight dirty."
The flat line delivery on that got me laughing
"a convoluted way that I will not cover because I don't care." You are so real for that
Moon in Ruin and Help Wanted 2 was great! Moon in security breach was a glitchy mess of scrap metal.
He's still a goofy gremlin in all of them tho. 🙃
Moon is so much more interesting than vanny and mimic combined
So let’s see here. First we got 4 animatronics that want to kill you due to a tragic backstory, then a child murderer that wants to kill children due to a tragic backstory, a manipulative robot clown that wants to kill you due to a tragic backstory, a copycat killer with a tragic backstory, a mimic ring robot that kills due to a tragic backstory, and a 2 personality animatronic with a tragic backstory…that’s a lot of tragic backstories.
One thing I think also helps make the Daycare Attendant a more compelling villain (or at least antagonist) is the thematic elements present in the franchise. See, the first few games were simultaneously "grounded" and "spiritual", for lack of a better description. The killer was a dude-an evidently smart dude, but still just a dude. Common themes and motifs were of things like "possession", "vengeance", "luring things away", etc. The mechanics of the universe solely lied in two areas: robotics and spirits, and even when the series got weirder, those rules never really changed much.
Now, in this new era, the new themes seem to be things like split personalities, mimicking and impersonation, and, of course, artificial intelligence. A two-faced robot, both "too human to be a robot, and too robotic to be a human" like you said, makes for a very compelling character that reflects the current themes modern FNAF seems to be playing with right now.
While I'm not entirely sure of the Daycare Attendant being the outright main villain for this current arc, I do think that as he stands, he's an excellently-done antagonist. (That, and I also agree with you that I wouldn't trust Steel Wool to not make him related to Afton in some way or another if they did try and make him a villain).
Fantastic video, by the way!
Scott needs to just bring fnaf back to its roots there is no fnaf without William or Michael or MCI.
Mimic and Vanny: What do you have that we don't?!
Moon: It's simple, presentation and deliver. Oh and one other thing, you make yourself a real threat
Did he learn the presentation tip from Megamind?
@@aidanpurkiss9457 Perhaps
The problem with fnaf is that it prioritizes fan favorite characters and neglects villains, because before, one of the fan favorites was a villain (springtrap) so it worked, now they don't know how to do it again. (Also i wish afton as a villain at least, died so that daycare attendant can rise)
Honestly, Sun is way scarier to me than Moon. Just an overly excited, aggressive guy who deep down is fed up and deeply cynical, and he's extremely panicky. He's tragic, relatable, and just off-putting. He's someone you genuinely could meet in real life as well as understand. Moon just comes off like a moustache twirling Saturday Morning Cartoon villain.
Though I do agree, he's way better than Vanny.
I’m still waiting for the damn box to open at this point I don’t even care how it affects the modern storyline I just want fnaf 1-4 solved
Real
The main problem with villian in FNaF is that, after SL, with animatronics gaining personality and character eleveting themself to the BIG bad guy by being human-like, with SB and everyone having a personality, it feels necessary to have the main villian hold some type of position to try to make them hold the confront.
And the easy way is just continuing their legacy.
It isn't bad perse, but it's used so poorly.
The daycare work as (obviusly it didn't any major cut) is build as an idea with no competition. It worked as it was meant to be, not wanted to replace.
The only bad thing about him becoming a villian is that it doesn't have a good goal, and don't have the vibe to be the main villian.
But having him to be biggest small bad in the games, absolutely.
I actually agree. William didn't have to be shown doing much outright to be the "big bad" because he was the ONLY bad. The animatronics are just animatronics - they're haunted by scared and angry spirits, but they aren't villains.
Now that the animatronics are basically people themselves, with motivations and backstories, a Big Bad has to stand out in some way.
I also don't think Moon would fit well as the "main villain" just because he's suited so well to chaos and Impulse. Sure Vanny/Glitchtrap could USE him for their own goals, but left to his own devices he doesn't really have a motivation beyond immediate urges of violence or Mischief. I would never turn the opportunity down to see DCA again and again, but he works much better as a loose canon than a mastermind.
I think the "big bad" should be human, that's just how I feel about it.
@@drawingdragon The main villain is ChatGPT and the executives who decided to let an algorithm run their company. Sound familiar to anything irl?
What I like about him is that he is voiced by Kellen Goff and has the whole sun and moon thing going on, which I like a lot.
This might be a hot take, but to me, William feels a bit of a mary sue because of the whole coming back thing and how he is unstoppable.
Oh, pee paw is 100% a Mary sue, the universe keeps bending to make him look cool, even when he's dead the universe keeps bending to make him look good, even when he's meant to have passed on, nope he's too cool for that.
@@Crystal-pro-2024 yup exactly, and good lord, it also makes me livid to see people treat him like the victim when he's the villain who caused all of this. They also make his family look like they suffered more than anyone else, and make him have superpowers that makes him look like he is powerful than any character there is in the franchise and hell, even characters from other franchises that isn't fnaf, plus making him look like he cannot be stopped completely. I find that distasteful.
Also, I wonder if he would want to commit global destruction, like bring about the end of the world, cause that would make a cool story in my opinion.
@@purpleheart5520 he would, as long as he could get that sweet soul metal.
@@Crystal-pro-2024 Yeah, and that would've been a huge pain for Henry and Michael, because them having to deal William who not only kills kids, but goes so far as to committing global terrorism is... oh boy.. a huge challenge for them, it would be almost impossible to stop him.
@@purpleheart5520 to be fair, mimic actual has the potential to commit global terrorism, urban instead his arch nemesis is concreate
When the literal moon day cycle is scarier and more interesting than the villains you are supposed to focus on
I so wish they'd used Vanny like they advertised. She could have been so good.
And while i hate the pessimistic realism in regards to the other villains, i can't necessarily disagree
Imagine if moon becomes the new main villain of FNAF instead of glitchtrap Vanny and The Mimic or even William Afton like that would ever happen
You can’t replace Afton especially like that
Thank you for bringing up the knife and Vanny killing censorship. not enough people talk about that and how massively it destroys her character.
Moon definitely had the closest thing to a scary sequence in Security Breach; so that automatically makes him better than Mimic and Vanny.
“This is not the bogeyman you parents look for under your bed, no, this is the guy at the library who stares at you for a little to long” 😂😂
I am SO HERE for EVERYTHING IN THIS VIDEO--
The barely-veiled distaste for the nonsense that is the books, the vicious tear-apart of the Mimic and Vanny, the sheer I-dont-give-a-rip in the delivery of "I'm not getting into the Mimic/Afton Glitchtrap discussion because I dont care," the excuse to rave about how great the DCA is again.
Chef's kiss, I feel SO SEEN. 🤌 ✨️
I liked Afton just fine when they added the incentives of eternal life and mad science, etc, just because I like a villain having SOME motivation. But I stay clear of the books like a radiation hazard, so I didn't realize that this issue of rewriting villain motivations on a whim had extended backwards that long.
I loved Circus Baby AS the villain for Sister Location SPECIFICALLY. I love Sister Location so much because it's such a self-contained story that does what it needs to do and then ends in a scary way. The reveal of Ennard, the concept of Ennard, is INCREDIBLE, and they stayed just as long as they needed to. Trying to set Baby up in the games like they did with the books was just doomed to fail; she wasn't written that way. She had a clear backstory, and one clear motivation - to get out of the bunker. After that, they genuinely didn't know what to do with her - I never noticed how her sudden change in motivation in Pizzeria Sim ONCE AGAIN refuses to let Afton go as "big bad," it is exactly the root cause of the Vanny issue! Baby suddenly being a minion of his without provocation always bothered me.
I'm not even going to talk about Mimic beyond saying I hate him. He's lazy. He's the cheap filler in every crack in the narrative, and since he's EVERYTHING, then he can't be anything meaningful. If Mimic is where the series is going, theorizing is over because it's all just "mimic" so where's the mystery? He doesn't even have a motivation because it's just a machine.
Vanny is the biggest disappointment to me though, just because her set up was SO perfect. It was RIGHT THERE and they flubbed it so hard. They had 1. An explanation for how the original villain was able to influence someone else (UCN, Vengeful Spirit not letting Afton go to the afterlife and keeping his consciousness around) 2. A limitation that required him to pass on the spotlight to a NEW villain while being present (Being reduced to a code/spirit and needing a mind to control) 3. A character with similar appeal as the original villain while still being her own thing (Another mascot rabbit killer, but this time a more tragic and unwilling participant with an added intrigue of a split personality), it was ALL RIGHT THERE.
And then not only did they do nothing with her IN her debut game, they basically redeemed her outright. There was no slow burn over several games to let us SEE her as a threat - yet they're trying to keep bringing her up anyway? There's such a lack of commitment - they wanted her to be the big bad, but not TOO bad or they couldn't redeem her, a servant of Afton who's doing his work, but not TOO much work or else the audience will forget he's the mastermind! And in the end we ended up with nothing.
I think the reason Sun and Moon work SO WELL is because they are what Vanny and Vanessa should have been. He's obviously a mirror to her, just a more minor antagonist in the narrative. He's an actual person who desires to do good, he's a victim of this evil but still indulges in it, his sympathetic nature doesn't somehow erase the genuine threat he poses to us, we WANT to redeem him but we also revel in the fear of him and want to see more.
THAT could have been Vanny. Of the many mistakes made with Vanny, I think the biggest was in trying to keep things hidden. Yes, sometimes less is more, and you don't need to explicitly show us kids dying - I'm just asking to be shown *something.* Instead of this really weird mystery of "ohh who IS Vanny??" just show us right out of the gate that she IS Vanessa. We all knew Sun was Moon since he was first teased; that didn't make Moon less terrifying when he showed up. If anything, the realization that something so terrible could come out of a "nice" character was MORE scary.
They should have showed us Vanessa as a human being. As someone struggling, fearful, desiring to do the right thing, a victim but one with underlying evil (the closest we got was her audio in the Retro CDs, which I actually enjoyed.) Show her become Vanny. Show us that Vanny IS dangerous, she HAS killed and WILL kill. Show us that we can sympathize with her while still being afraid. Thats what I wish they had done, and why I think DCA was an instant hit.
I keep coming back to the story of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (it's a great book okay, and who both Vanny and Moon are inspired by as archetypes). The true horror and appeal of the novel is that a "good" person is capable of evil. That ANY of us are capable of evil. That's the terror behind the weird guy staring at the library vs. the generic horror murder AI. Show us a "normal" person, then show us how evil a normal person can be.
Really the only disagreement I have is the idea that Moon would work as a "big bad." My issue isn't at all with him being too evil or unlikable, (as I've explained thats partially what makes me love him), it's more that he lacks motivation to be a repeat villain. He works very well as an antagonist, but he does best when he's more chaotic than evil in my opinion. He strikes me as the loose canon that wouldn't have any real incentive besides his own immediate impulses, not if someone like Vanny or Glitchtrap wasn't directing his energy towards a goal.
I will never complain about seeing more of him, even as an unapologetically evil villain, but with the current record of writing, I'm afraid what makes him so impactful would be watered down if he was promoted to Big Badᵀᴹ
Steel wool with SB Vanny was the represent of the phrase:
"They had anything to succeed, but sadly, they were afraid to take it"
@LemmyAllanGP They really did have the setup there on a silver platter :(
I'm slow to excuse bad creative decisions with "oh it was the time crunch, it wasn't their fault" but considering just how perfect Vanny was set up by Special Delivery and Help Wanted (not like it was stumbled onto), and how the Help Wanted games are some of my favorite in the entire series, I really would accept that they HAD much better ideas and then frantically tried to make due with what they had time and ability for. It's still infuriating, because it could've been so good, but there's really nothing to be done but hope they start learning from it.
They're phenomenal at making games like the HW games, I don't want to take away from the team's talent, but SB it was clear they had no clue what they were getting into and overshot it.
@@drawingdragon Personally, there's 2 things that really annoys me.
1:they had much better plots in the 2 early versions... it's horrible. They trash 2 good storylines at mid-working. Obviously they ran out of time and focused on a story incredibly empty, dissapointing not only by the result, yet, what they abandon in exchange of that.
2: Censorhip, what the hell?! even if the fanbase have many kids, it's still a "horror" game, why?!, to top off, probably in the new game, they've gonna show us much worser things that a killer with a knife, ironic.
Can we please get that Glamrock Freddy video? So we can have one for all the glamrocks, please!
Sure! I was thinking of doing it soon anyways. ^_^
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 YAY! Thank you! I'm super excited!
I could feel Twitter seething at the little book inconsistency rant you did lol. So true and so satisfying to hear from someone else.
The Mimic, in my opinion, is a good, possibly better way to do Scrap Baby's Just Wanna Make Daddy Proud shtick.
The way the Mimic was explained to me was as a companion for a very young child, around 3 or 4, given to her by her overworked father. The child died in a tragic car accident, and when the mimic kept acting like her, the father, in his grief, visciously lashed out and beat it. That's how the Mimic became violent.
That's what always stuck out to me. The roiling emotions he would've been feeling seeing this robot try to play with him, as if mocking him, look what you've lost because you were too busy for her. The relief at having something to vent his frustrations on. The horror at realizing what he's taught it to do.
And from the Mimic's perspective- If we consider it to start off as a very simple AI or mentally a similar age as the child- It keeps trying again and again to find the right answer that'll get it attention. Becoming violent. Cowering in fear. Running away. Each time a new person interacts with it, some sympathetic, some not, it learns a new reaction, then as time goes on it probably tries mixing and matching reactions.
From an outside perspective it just seems to change motivations in an instant, but internally, it just wants to understand and play with someone. It just wants to learn. Would it trial-and-error it's way towards more positive interactions with people? Possibly, if it got further away from the people it hurt shortly after the child's death.
But how would you trust a thing like this? Would knowing that it's programmed to mimic everything make people more or less trustful of it? Are they right to feel that way, or does it put them in more danger?
I think the aspect of I just want to make father proud is more believable and more tragic given the child's younger age than Elizabeth as Scrap Baby.
I always suspected moon because in severity breach when he steals Freddy, he just waved at Gregory for some reason
Also he is the one in the help wanted 2 ending
And even in that ending there’s this like purple moon plush? Idk
Theres also the jack-o-moon
And I the caracel mini game, I really do hope they make moon a bigger villain, and maybe he might even be possessed idk
One minor correction is that the hardware he was born from wasn’t ever implied to have come from FFPP, it was just “proprietary Fazbear technology recreating personalities from the past in an instant.”
It was implied because Fabear Entertainment supplied the hardware and they excavated and built atop of the Pizzeria Simulator building. We can see where they plundered it even before Vanny was crawling around in there, so that's the best bet of where the old stuff was dredged up from- especially since Henry was doing his best to get everything 'in one place'.
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EDIT: sorry for coming off like a know-it-all and then proceeding to yap. If my comments are just kinda annoying I apologize.
hm, that is a fair point- I more so meant to say that while it’s likely, it’s not explicit. I think that honestly they mentioned how they scanned in a lot of that junk; and if the MXES was built in the ‘80s like Steel Wool implied, I suppose the Mimic1 could have been down there. Thanks for making me reevaluate! On that thing about the mimic fans being ravenous- you aren’t wrong, but it depends on the platform. On Reddit GlitchMimic is the most commonly accepted theory, but UA-cam and Twit-I mean x- can be pretty ferocious. I remember that people always dogged on the Mimicgames believers, which sparked a feeling of hostility once the Mimic actually showed up- and then (especially on Reddit) people started foaming at the mouths over Afton being Glitchtrap 😞. Honestly what happens when a writer isn’t explicit about characters to the point it’s harming them. If Glitchtrap really is dead, we spent all our time with them trying to figure out what they were.
Well, unfortunately, that's an incorrect assumption. Not to be rude or anything, but we know from the epilogues that Mimic was delivered there before the Pizzaplex even opened, but it was in fact delivered.
Hell, theres even boxes in HW that when their code is scanned returns "Send to where it must go. You will know."
As well, 0rGN should have been out first hint it wasn't William.
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sun/moon as a daycare attendant gives me literal chills saying keep the lights on will hunt me in my dreams forever when i sleep every night.
but springtrap stop coming back gosh darn it.
One thing I feel Moon has over Vanny and Mimic is the fact that he always seems to KNOW much more than you'd expect. He is VERY smart, not much you can do can fool or get past him. He'll always find you in the daycare, even OUT the daycare, the scariest thing is the fact that if he is out, he WILL find you, no matter where you go, he'll track you down. Hide in Freddy? He KNOWS you're there and he even knows about you hiding in the charge ports. He looks and WAVES at you, meaning he could've easily just grabbed you, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was stopping him. Freddy was on the ground, he deliberately prioritized getting Freddy to the robo repair center rather than getting Gregory. In help wanted 2, dude even appears in sections that had nothing to do with him, like Bonnie bowl. And his Jack o moon(personally, I like "Harvest Moon" better) form hounds you on the true ending, and HE is the crane Vanny uses, meaning that Moon is involved in putting down Glitchtrap. It's to the point where you can't help but wonder exactly how much he is aware of. After all, he is one of the few who ALSO directly questions the protags purpose:
"What makes YOU so *Special* ?"
I thought the mimic was an ok one off villain, but a main bad guy? Yeah no. Sun and Moon are so much better, and honestly what Vanessa/Vanny should’ve been. I think the world would be a better place if there was more Daycare Attendant in our lives
I honestly didn't expect the daycare attendant to be a good choice for a villain, but after hearing you out I can totally see that now.
Not having an animatronic as the headlining villian is a missed opportunity. Imagine if one of the animatrions was sentient enough that it started worshipping it's creator, afton.
So it starts copycat killing, trying to replicate him. The family in the sticky note room could have been like it's sick alter to him, wanting to have been seen as a part of his family.
He builds an alter to afton, killing in an attempt to make him proud and maybe make a skin suit in an attempt to further become like him since he had biological bits.
That's basically Glitchtrap minus the 'created by Afton' part
Isn't that similar to the premise of the Mimic though? It saw murders happening and decided it wanted to do that too.
this video gives me the intense urge to make a fnaf fangame revolving around sun/moon so bad ...
I'd rather have a canon game revolving around them.
I'll be honest, using The Daycare Attendant as the new villain would be pretty cool. Strangely enough, him being a successor to Mimic is quite fitting as he's pretty strong, but much, MUCH more dangerous.
"You took out the predecessor, but you can only hold off his successor for so long."
Honestly, if I could make the other villains cooler, here's what I would do. I personally can't think of anything for Vanny, but to summarise the others:
- The Blob, a monument to all of Freddy's sins, haunted by many unfortunate victims, of Vanny and Malhare. It's a hivemind of anger and confusion, lashing out at those who step in it's turf.... which Charlie would find out the hard way.
(It rips off The Puppet's mask, leaving them faceless. Hence why said mask is not possessed when stuck on The Blob. She managed to escape before anything worse could befall.)
- Mimic, a mime animatronic that follows similar rules to the toys in FNaF 2.. but ramped up a tad bit. Nice to the kids, understandably DESPISES the adults for their harsh treatment of the animatronics.
- Nightmarionne, The Slenderman of Five Nights at Freddy's. Quite mysterious, but it follows Freddy's wherever the franchise goes, like a CURSE.
Edit: Lefty could've also been a villain if The Puppet was in the newer games. Imagine if this old, burnt animatronic was hunting her down during the events of Special Delivery.
The end of the game could've had her finally destroy it, and giving the DCI kids their happiest day.
I agree that Moon could be the best villain, especially if it was like the movie Split. You couldn’t trust the daycare attendant because at any moment, he could flip the script. This is dangerous especially if there are dark parts of a game where you need to rely on Sun to survive. Posted this before watching the video.
Have you asked Scott Cawthon or Blumhouse for a cameo role or easter egg in the FNAF 2 film? I could think up a thousand ways you could appear in the film, even just as a voice. Like instead of Phone Guy, you could be Phone Girl, the narrator of Jeremy’s training tape or even the voice of Toy Bonnie, Chica or Mangle (without the annoying high pitch) just to name a few! What role would you wanna play?
Oh, I would LOVE a cameo, but I have no acting experience and live in the middle of nowhere anyways. XD But if I did, I'd be fine with just being like a silent role or anything.
Silently standing there. Menacingly!
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 And this is why I think you're awesome, not only for the twists at the end of your videos, but you keep me guessing at how you'll respond! I wouldn't be surprised if you did it intentionally to keep me on my toes!
But that actually would be kinda creepy if your face was obscured and you appeared in the background periodically through the film without it being brought up. Hell, you could play the ghost possessing the Puppet to explain it and be a cool reference to the books!
I think this is genuinely what was planned for Vanessa and Vanny, and would've made her actually interesting and threatening.
That would be AMAZING though. If they did your idea, like if there's a second Security Breach or something, and Cassie is alive. She teams up with Roxy and Sun because they're the only two animatronics left "alive" - but Sun is unstable and can turn on a whim so he's both an ally and a threat.
I know the whole Eclipse thing kind of doesn't add up with that, but man it'd be so cool.
Turning the DA into a villain would be a great direction to go in. They start out as a side character, a smaller boss who is imo, the scariest part of SB. I usually just watch gameplay so i have a pretty big horror buff but watching the daycare section and seeing moon sneak up on you at 5:50am or whenever it is was genuinely heart racing stuff for me.
Side character, already different from willy a. Im going to politely ignore vanny controlling Moon in HW2 because i dont really care for yet ANOTHER possession arc. I think if Moon was maybe just corrupted or set wrong or way too into theatre like how SB originally implied, it would make for a great villain. We dont need more sympathy points for possession. I think it makes for beautiful character design for sun to be struggling with this other half while also perhaps not even realizing his own psychosis. I loved sun and moon already but I'd love to see them take on a bigger role as they are now. No rabbits, no possession, no "i always come back"
Edit: great video btw, your stuff is always great but this feels like one of your better analyses and the dry humor hit really well. Maybe I'm biased though because I love the DA
As someone who thinks that game Mimic was a retcon, if Mimic really was planned to replace William as the new main villain since HW1, then it feels like Steel Wool panicked seeing the(understandable) backlash to Burntrap and instead of just building up to it after a few more games, they just dumped Mimic into Ruin. Like why aren't there any messages in SB that allude to it's existence? Or even a scene where it hacks into Gregory's Fazwatch and mimics Freddy trying to lure Gregory to it(since we know it can hack into things)? It honestly feels like Mimic was originally meant to be a book only villain(kind of like Stitchwraith from the Fazbear Frights books series), but again Steel Wool painicked because fans hated Burntrap and just threw Mimic into the games.
@@justsomerandomperson6506 0rgn was a teaser posted by Scott himself showing the Mimics scrapped head before Help Wanted.
The Tales books were written in 2019, meaning the mimic was planned since before SB released.
I'm sorry.
@@at_witts_end3470 I looked at the teaser and I honestly can't tell what it was because of the filter over it.
Also the books being written in 2019 doesn't mean they had Mimic being the new main villain for the games planned that far in advanced. Especially with how terrible the reveal was(again there's nothing that even implies it exists in SB, and in Ruin SB's DLC they recommend players play SB first to understand what's going on). If Mimic really was planned then it makes it feel that Steel Wool again panicked at the backlash to Burntrap, and instead of building up to Mimic's reveal threw multiple future games after SB, they just threw it into the DLC and hoped fans would like it because its not William.
@@justsomerandomperson6506 it's an Endo head. The ORIGIN of Glitchtrap. In the books, The Mimic is said to have a brand new head.
Also, it wasnt transparent (sure), but if you do research into the books and their contents, you'd find everything matches up, to the point this has to be planned.
Also, Freddy and Friends On Tour literally spoiled the twist that the main villain was just an endoskeleton.
@@at_witts_end3470 That being an Endo head doesn't suddenly mean it's Mimic.
Also the books and games don't match up, because the books are filled with errors. In one book Glamrock Chica is described as being yellow before later in the same story being described as white, the Mr. Hippo fridge magnets were recalled in the books meanwhile in the games their given away as a free prize, Vanny is no where to be found in the book(even though the books would have been the perfect place to use her because she barley shows up in SB), in Ruin the very same DLC the Mimic shows up in Cassie contradicts the story about Moon always being evil, and Mimic in one book is described as having a spider like body and in another a snake one, and so on.
Also that scene your talking about in Freddy and friends on tour is literally a Scooby-Doo refence and a joke about the fact that underneath the animatronics' suits are endos.
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The Endo head is called 0rgn. Origin. Scott (who wrote the epilogues) made it clear the mimic has a brand new shiny head. Scott also made note of a water bottle IN THE BASE GAME thats from the books.
The Glamrocks were cycled out. The original yellow chica was thrown into the sewers, where she's seen again in Bobbiedots Part 2 by Abe.
The "recall" of the Mr. Hippo magnet is literally a direct reference to one of the messages in SB where someone says the magnets can be used to get Free entry passes.
Vanny isn't included because the books take place before she was hired at the pizzaplex. They take place within the 4-5 years the place has been running. GGY exists and literally covers and explains the events of the therapy tapes.
No? All Cassie says is that she never slept better than she did at the daycare. Likely because of moondrops. Also, the story that's a contradiction (apparently) was edited at the last second to be identical to the game Pizzaplex...soooo...
The Mimic can shapeshift or change its parts around. It can also self repair and the like. It's a skeleton meant to fit into any costume.
Edit: The Mimics model has textures and spring locks modeled into one of his legs, matching his fate from the books.
I personally feel like that only two extra things could of made mimic a great villain. The first thing is have mimic taunt Cassie as she runs away. Make him speak in the casts voice, telling Cassie to come back. It would made mimic much more of his own character. Also, make grimic (mimic when he was pretending to be Gregory) be even more snarky than the murder child. He would be very snarky, self absorbed, and descending towards Cassie, using the “OH NO ROXYS COMING” whenever Cassie gets fed up. Honestly mimic could of been a savior to fnaf
u can't just put henry's theme as background music when i wasn't prepared to think about him 🥲
New FNAF Content Warning: Henry's existence.
@@diarawisteria2218 i meant dsaf henry lol. but yeah
Your description of Moon and Sun as an employee in a child friendly mascot costume who’s constantly around kids, who can snap at any time, really put into perspective how creepy they are. It also helps with the whole “the true villain is Fazbear Entertainment/capitalism” vibes FNAF has going for it.
Like… I’m not a writer but I tried brainstorming some ideas for potential villains, and while it’s nowhere near as good as how you described a potential Daycare Attendant villain, I always thought that maybe some kind of “hero complex” villain would’ve been interesting.
An employee or fan of the Fazbear franchise who had been wronged by the company in some way, or heard about the previous things that happened in the company and decided to put it upon themselves to serve justice, or make sure it never happens again. Only… they’re going about it all wrong, hacking and punishing animatronics and staff alike in a warped attempt at making up for things that have long since passed. They think themselves the hero, and you, the player, are the villain of their story.
This could also spawn plenty of sub villains. Animatronics who were reprogrammed and they now suffer from horrific identity issues, or animatronics who were punished for reasons they don’t fully understand. The fact that animatronics are so human now but also still robots opens the case for a lot of interesting things.
Babe wake up, notatall dropped another video 🗣📢
The problem is that other than 90% of the content of these vilains being cut from the games, is that like they said a lot of things are put but dont make sense yet because we need to wait for futur games for it to make sense but what they don't seem to understand is that doing this while cutting 90% of the content of these vilains in the actual games ends up with them being complete mess and don't feel "justified" or simply complete....
(I hope I was able to make sense... ADHD brain + being tired isnt the best combo 😅)
Im not gonna lie, when I head the mimic's backstory in ruin i actually thought that it was William's backstory from when he was a child
I can’t believe the fanbase didn’t use “Harvest Moon” for the halloweeny moon in help wanted 2
NotRealName: William Afton was scariest when he was THAT.
*shows that picture from the graphic novel of him without a shirt*
I agree, that picture will forever haunt me.
Okay- so I’m going to be real here, I’m not a huge fan of Sun and Moon, at least at the moment. GASP, I know! This doesn’t mean I don’t think they could be a good villain. Everything said in this video is probably true, as much as I probably don’t want to admit it. I love Vanessa/Vanny, but…. not because of her game appearances. I love her bc of the way she’s shown in animations and comics and in the fan base. The way I see her in my head. The way I think she should’ve been shown in game. I love a version of her that I really want to think exists, but probably doesn’t. And I want to like the Mimic- but you’re right about what you said about the books. Whatever is canon in the books is completely up to you. Heck, you could claim In the Flesh is canon, and no one would be able to come up with an amazing argument. I don’t know where I was trying to go with this when I started typing, so I’m just going to end this here, lol- if you read all of this, thank you for coming to my terrible Ted Talk about Vanny or whatever the heck I was trying to say here, lol.
22:05 NotANameAtAll grabs a nearby steel pipe and knocks vanny tf out
Moon's absolutely my favorite Security Breech character. As much as I love him, and would love for him to get a major role, I'd be a bit worried about how Steel Wool would handle him if he was a main villain.
Okay, so, the fnaf villains really did have a lot of potential. Personally, well actually most of us wish they dropped afton but I really like the idea of Afton as a "genesis point". Like, this one serial killer from the 80s started a whole bunch of shit even after he was turned into old unjolly green.
So, like, have afton, have him be afton, have him die in the fnaf 3 fire. Then, have a new character (maybe a grieving parent) be the mad scientist. Have this person make the funtimes and experiment with remnant and all that jazz after they see "yo these robots actin funky". There, you can have your genuinely scary "grounded" slasher and your evil mad scientist lich but seperated a bit. Then have this mad scientists daughter, Elizabeth..... Kieran (yeah lets go with that) be Baby and want freedom and be Ennard and thats sister location. In SL youre Micheal Kieran or whatever. In the first 3 fnafs youre some investigator guy or summin idk and in fnaf 4 youre bite of 87 kid throwing hands with straight up Death. Have the Puppet still be one of Aftons victims, first, whatever (fuck you Chica) and be like, another villain. This lonely ghost puppet murdering and stuffing kids to take revenge on ol' Willie... and then going on to keep on killing and stuffing kids cuz it wants more friends (then have it be trapped in a bear costume cuz I really like Lefty ok). Then, my fav, Malhare (cuz glitchtrap is stupid). Just fuse it with the mimic. Have the VR devs be lazy asses who are making money off of actual murders that happened in their reality (fucking deserve the face chopping then) and theyre too lazy to code so they take some pieces of Aftons costume that contain all of his evil memories and experiences and tell an AI to imitate that... just the AI gets too much power and tries to exit the game. Itd also be interesting cuz its not technically evil, just imitating evil cuz its an AI, thats its job. Then, have Vanny be a copycat killer of Afton. Just like, super obsessed Afton fangirl, like one of those people irl who would actually smooch a serial killer unironically. Have her be her own, unique, developed character.. and then I want her to be paired with Malhare (not romantically) as a buddycop murdervillain duo. Have Vanny be utterly adoring Malhare and Malhare trying to be the Afton Vanny wants her to be (cuz its an AI that just wants to do what its told). Itd also be a fun dynamic with Vanny getting these supernatural powers from this phantom of the evil person she adores. So yeah Vanny's a warlock in this. Eldritch Afton blast.
Here we'd have a full spread of different antagonists.
Afton- a legit scary serial killer.
Puppet- the vengeful victim turned abuser
Dr. Idfk- the goofy "Scott likes Scifi" mad scientist villain experimenting with remnant/trying to bring dead kid back idfk man go nuts.
Elizabeth/Baby- the pretty tragic trapped victim with newfound murder instincts.
Malhare- the AI-fueled phantom of a long dead monster, a digital curse of a "being". And
Vanny- the obsessed fangirl copycat killer who wants to carry Aftons legacy and impress the faker phantom by using its demon powers... and a knife!
Hot damn I need to write this fanfiction.... sorry if this was all awful and worse actually I just needed to blurt this out.
Keep Sun and Moon the way they are they're already perfect.
What’s so annoying is that all the villain problems could be solved in such a simple way that still revolves around Afton: adding Afton fanatics in universe.
Afton could’ve been just a guy in a suit who managed to commit awful murders while in charge of a pizzeria franchise, with the child remains only being found in his animatronics after he’d already been spring locked and MIA, presumed dead.
However there were rumours: that despite Afton losing copious amounts of blood at his last known location, he somehow survived in the suit. And after a Freddy-themed horror house burnt down 4 days after a rabbit animatronic was put inside, with footage of it emerging and leaving from the rubble, people got curious. Including scientists, for how did a man survive multiple years in a suit with critical injuries? A particular scientist becomes determined to recreate this miracle, and what are the lives of a few kids in the face of immortality? (Note: this bit could still be Afton, but have it as Afton experimenting after finding himself somehow still alive, not as part as a mastermind “plan all along” thing. He just happened to live, and now kills to learn as well as for enjoyment.) Cue the creation of the Funtimes.
The Fazbear Pizzeria Murders and Conspiracies continue to be talked about over the years, and a woman named Vanessa hears about it. It’s messed up. A really messed up case. Yet she can’t get enough. She knows it’s not right to have an obsession with a child murder case…yet she still finds herself transfixed on it. How he got away with it for so long. How the Afton name became a horror story in every household. A small, nasty part of her sometimes wished that she could be like Him.
The obsession flows over into the Fazbear brand, and she finds herself applying for everything to do with it: VR trials, security guards, mascot roles (unfortunately not like the ones Afton used to wear…), and before she knows it her life is revolving around a children’s brand. Not exactly the life she pictured for herself, but good enough.
…except it’s not enough. She’s like a desperate fan girl, a weak imitation of Afton. He wouldn’t give her a second glance if he saw her current work; walking and waving and handing out pizzas, and the headset was making her head feel oh so fuzzy she needed to do MORE-
It’s not until she’s adding tendons from the third child to “Her Springtrap” that she even questions how much of this idea was really hers, and how much was from the figure that stopped disappearing when the headset came off.
Which lead to the final villain; a man working in tech. He hated it, sure, but it would all be worth it. He’d been a child when all the Afton murders came to light, and got to see in live-time as the Funtimes went out of commission. From then on he’d known he’d do better; succeed where Afton had not, and have his crimes be truly untraceable.
Years of studying code, game development, animatronic hardware went by, waiting for his big break. Then it came in the form of a VR experience. He snuck in his code easily enough, everyone too overworked to care and doublecheck the extra lines. They trusted him anyways; he was the most qualified in the room, and if it was wrong a beta tester would report it back.
He chose his target tester; a woman with a certain mania to her. Desperate with an apparently similar dream (even if she’d never commit without his intervention). Soon Vannie was ready.
The project came to an end, but he asked to transfer to the Pizzaplex even with the large salary decrease. No questions are asked, as cutting corners is Fazbear Entertainment’s number 1 priority. He gets direct access to the Glamrock code, and even has time to work on his personal project: the Mimic. Between the Mimic’s increasing lifelikeness and Vannie’s rebuild project in the basement, he might just get Afton back. And who is the person who can bring back the most feared man of a whole decade from the dead other than a God?
(He does not finish this however, as his own creation had doomed him from the second its purpose became clear. It wasn’t Afton, but it knew how to be Afton, just how it knew how to be an animatronic, and a child, and its own creator. It could be anything it saw, after all.
((And It knew It didn’t want a creator in the picture))
So Afton was just a man in a suit who killed some kids, then paid the price again and again. But legacies live on, and a scary minority hear the horror stories and want to recreate, or worse, improve upon it. Meanwhile people go wild over the new crimes appearing in a refined, updated version of Afton’s from 40 years ago, speculating in fear and excitement at the possibility of the man really “coming back”?? And it is excitement, and suspense, and anticipation as they wait. For as said in the video: “Everyone loves a good villain.”
And there we go!! My idea!! That became a little bit of a story oops, but thanks if you read this far!!!
The first time Moon was revealed in a trailer, he looked so genuinely scary and threatening. It was almost like he was presented as being a constant threat, always there just out of sight. Crawling along the roofs, inside the vents, underneath the floors, inside elevator shafts, etc. Then the game came out and it was such a tremendous disappointment how poorly he was used.
Edit: Both Afton and Baby were horribly utilised after Sister Location, despite Baby being super disturbing and a great villain / enemy. Perhaps UCN was the start of the downfall
When I first heard about Mimic, I was a bit salty that its backstory was in the books. Then I found out some of what happens in those books and started to warm up to it. And when Ruin comes out, after that initial shock factor wore off (yes, I fell for its Gregory act, I'm naive and I like it) and the secret endings were done, I just kinda forgot about it. Then I hear even more from the books and am left feeling disappointed because apparently, it's just another Glitchtrap. I thought it was its own separate thing, not just another freakin' Afton clone! And where's my jester!? Sure we get some "personality" in Ruin, but it's just underwhelming. I'm not particularly upset that it's bratty, I just want there to be more! I like the idea of the Mimic program. BUT OOP, IT'S JUST WILLY A. AGAIN! Not that I have anything against Afton, he's fine, one of my favourite video game characters (specifically back when he was just a man in a suit). I'm just saddened by this, like with Baby, Vanny, and I guess Glitchtrap too.
If the Mimic actually showed up as a jester I would've probably been its biggest defender. XD Goofy clowns get a major pass from me.
I mean most of the critism of "The Mimic is just Afton but not Afton" can only be applied to Glitchtrap
THE Mimic is not an Afton clone,the only thing he even remotely does like him is the luring kids into the backroom shenanigans.The Mimic is its own character and he and Glitchtrap are seperate characters atp cuz the only thing that connects them is Burntrap and Helpi(If Helpi is the last remains of Glitchtrap).
As for the Jester costume,i wish ngl.The "Gregory"suit should've been the Jester springlock costume he got springlocked in at the end of Tales
4:50 I think that baby’s character is used quite well. She’s a ring leader with no ring TO lead so she would probably go back to trying to please her father
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You can see sun and moon in the same shot. I just thought that was funny.
OH SHIT WAIT YOU CAN. WHAT.
Ever since the very first trailer for SB I knew Moon would be my favorite !
Same
He became a favorite of mine from when an animation of him and Sun was teased in one of the Freddy and Friends On Tour episode SB teasers
Vanessa in the trailors: *seems nice and generally wanted to help Gregory.
Vanessa in the game: *annoyed as frick*
This shows exactly the problem with villains in FNAF. In this franchise, villains, or characters in general, are shown and seen as more of a narrative than actual characters. We see glimpses of their development. Elizabeth is a character meant to show an "spoiled brat", a girl that wants to seek validation from her father at all costs, and how this unhealthy relationship leads to unhealthy behaviour, which leads to her becoming who she is in FFPS. However, we only see Elizabeth in two or three stages in her life:
1) In her voicelines in SL, which show her as a girl that seems very close to her father, and that loves Baby.
2) In the SL gameplay, in which she possesses Ennard. She seems to go along with the plan very well. However, it's very hard to know when Baby (who seems to be her own thing) ends, and Elizabeth starts. Both act almost indistinguishable from each other. However, from this event, it's hard to say her true intentions, as it seems to be an act of revenge against her father, but then if you reach the fake ending, she seems to have planned from the biggining to revive Mike (she repeats "you won't die" throughout the night). So, it's hard to know.
3) In FFPS, in which she's no longer under any influence from Baby, and is completely obssessed with her father. She warships him like a god, and does... human sacrifices for him? It's reached a level of insalubrity that's unbelievable.
So, we see this, and we can have a somewhat consistent story arc or development in her character, despite how much of Baby was left behind. And I understand this choice. Scott didn't want to make Baby a new villain, nor he wanted to make her to replace William. He wanted another sympathetic villain that, as anyone in the series, is just another victim of his actions. He wanted to tell the story of a little girl who's wish and craving for the love of her father drove her insane. But... we just see glimpses of this. We only see these three brief moments of her character.
This first happened because Scott didn't have many resources, nor experience, on creating characters. I get why this happened in FNAF 1 to 4. But, in SL and FFPS, things had changed. He COULD do better, and he DID better. Afton's lines do depict not "coolness", but delusional naricssism, and Baby does look like a crazy woman who hasn't mentally grown. But now, with Steel Wool, they didn't change this. That was Scott's way of making characters and telling their story. But, in Steel Wools era, they apparently still want to use this "method". With all the secretism and all the stage-like character development, the characters are still nothing better. Steel Wool HAS the resources to make better stories and better characters. They have no reason to not do them. Except they do: the narrative they have. This new era is actually not a "new" era of FNAF, it's actually a repackaged version of the last one. That's its narrative: mimicking the last one. That's why all the characters seem to be copies of old characters, why plotlines and events seem to be too similar to the ones from the old games. It's all about retelling the same story, because "those who don't lears about their history - like Fazbear Entertainment - are doomed to repeat it". Except that that's not an excuse to make BAD characters, when they could be way better if they didn't cling so badly to "the old ways", or whatever they're trying to do. That's why this new era fails in so many aspects, because it could do something deifferent, but they actively choose to go to the safe and keep the "FNAF formula" of never being explicit.
Just like the puppet vids, eating up these ideas. Would love sunnymoon as a villain! And yeah, vanny was so underutilized and overshadowed by her predecessor. And mimics big and aggressive but there's nothing really there
Just a little fun fact there was actually a cut Vanny animation of Vanny crawling on all fours. Tetrabit gaming had a video on it along with other scrapped Vanny animation.
Also, thank you for the Moon and E.M.M.I comparison. I feel the same way
I think you hit the nail in the coffin with the video. I agree 100%. William/Springtrap was an amazing villain but adding new villains would elevate the story more. Circus Baby could have been that, like you said a serious threat that was really for the role but then got kicked to the curb and even has the afton they desperately want Vanny and mimic seem very stiff and bored and underdeveloped maybe future games fix it but doubt it Sun and Moon were always my fav since the trailer and agreed they were cool villains with amazing dynamics
I know it I flipping know it all that fan art of Sun/Moon being big villain wasn't just a me thing. I know it from day one of this guy appearing so that means I'm not a lunatic and honestly I think he can be such a great villain. 😁
Hot take that just popped into my head: what if “the vengeful spirit” is actually Elizabeth. Her playing the long-con until she could get her manipulative little mitts on the one she blames for being unfair to her. Even if it’s kinda baseless, it fixes both “the one you should not have killed” being some random unknown kid, and Baby’s character assassination all in one fell swoop.
Only problem is this video mostly ignores Ruin, which takes place after HW2. He gets rebooted and seems to lose his possibility of being a villain when it turns him into Eclipse. Though, to be fair, Eclipse thinks he will be seeing children in the morning, so who knows how he'll react when he realizes the truth of his situation.
Well, this is Fnaf. Villains randomly coming back despite being taken off the table is sort of the name of the game, you know? XD
...Plus, you've got a good point. Eclipse breaking- maybe from being removed by the daycare- might create something worse than Moon. O.O
I thing Glitchtrap could work as a villian, he has the potential to be a treat as silently scary as classic creepypasta. I don't think it ever speaks that paired with the whimsical movements gives of this aura of horror. Then there's his ability to possess others human or animatronic allowing him to gather followers inorder to get around the fact it's just an AI. But then they brought William back in SB, and honestly it should've been Glitchtrap.
Perhaps his grand plan was to build a body for himself since again he's only an AI. Using Vanny as his right hand and with the Glamrocks now under his control. It could've even been the explanation for happened to Bonnie, Glitch trap could've killed him to use his body as the base for his new vessel since Bonnie was also a rabbit.
Ever since I saw Sun and moon for a few blimps of a second in the security breach trailer, I knew he was going to be my favorite out of all the animatronics in the pizza plex
oh my gosh thank you for making another sun and moon video!!!!!😄😄😄😄😄