@@purplesinister2908 NotRealName did that to a comment of mine, it was just 20 questions. She does it for others who wanted help with something like a fanfic or Minecraft role play which NotRealName did. NotRealName is cool like that.
She’s my favorite character am why did they do her dirty 😭 I’m so glad she got justice in hw2 and her size is so estimating I love her personality she’s seems so innocent but a mask of her cold m calculated killer ✨✨✨
Is "Mystic" the same as "Doctor" or "Professor"? Is it like a very annoying thing if you mistakenly call them Miss or Mister? They didn't spend a decade deep in the woods learning the comings and goings of the spirits to be called Miss.
All of the poster art for Baby in universe has her with green eyes, dispite the fact she was made with blue eyes, with all of her key art for marketing material realistically being prepared before Circus Baby's even opened. This either means A. This is a funny continuety goof, or B. William saw that his daughter possessed Baby, and instead of doing anything about his dead kid he immediately went "Oh shit, not my marketing" and swiftly rebranded to accompany for Baby's new eyes.
The only reason i would go with option A is because i personally hc Henry being the greedy one who ended up influencing the future CEOs and natuee of Fazbear Entretainment as an extremly cheap company, while William was a shut-in who barely knew how to manage resources and din't care either
@@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizardin my opinion henry absolutely cared, and he wasn't incompetent, either william, animatronics, or in one case random kids fucked him over. Things like the security puppet and the toy animatronics were specifically made so that william couldn't keep up his bullshit.
“Ah sh*t, the kids are gonna see her eyes are different. Time to change the eye colour on all bits of merchandise to the eye colour of my dead/(possibly) stated-as-missing daughter!”
Ok but the sense of horror when you realize you HAVE to take the icecream easily outweighs any jumpscare. Then nothing happens, and that horror stays. If Baby had jumpscared us it would have been over, but she didn’t and we are left with a far greater horror
That's absolutely it. Reaching an ending or failure condition releases tension, whereas not doing so lets it linger and continue to build. For a series like FNaF, where a lot of the time there always has been a pretty definitive set of win and lose conditions - either you see whatever ending there is, whether it's a check or pink slip in the first game, or a cutscene in later ones; or you get jumpscared. This level not doing that adds more. And I think its name has something to do with that, as well - Baby is interviewing you, in her own way, likely having staged the lights going out herself, and you passing the interview means she wants to keep you around, and there's no telling what ends she's working towards.
not to mention cause of the whole “the games are games in universe” thing baby probably knows that whoever she’s taking to knows about what happened to elizabeth. she’s toying with us - scaring the player into submission while not being directly hostile.
That's quiet horror right there. FNAF usually has a wealth of tension releases, be it the chime of 6 am or a jumpscare and a cut to static. Jumpscare horror like FNAF's usually tends to lead to bigger cash outs of player shock and horror, but less genuine dread and fear. Not to say that the games aren't scary, but the nature of the games doesn't lead itself to looming, lasting dread. I think that that also goes to increase the impact of the moment. We're so used to an obvious attack or being baited that this seeming passivity is even more unnerving. We're so used to a release of tension in this series that a night just simply ending with no release is even more effective.
One thing I’ve noticed about Baby is she always goes out of her way to avoid being alone. In Night 2 she has the Bidybabs, in Night 3 she welcomes your presence and gives you access to her room as well as saving you when you get caught. In Night 4 she has you and Ballora there. In Night 5 she’s a part of Ennard. In TFC she’s always with someone else and will take excuses to not be alone, even if it means being around Afton. Maybe that’s why she planned to betray him by the end, she found another path by having a more human form Maybe the reason she becomes more desperate and dependent for William’s approval is because she’s terrified of being alone again. Because as Elizabeth we never really see her with anyone else, she’s always alone. And now she’s avoiding isolation like the plague
Makes sense since Baby is programmed to attack when she’s alone with a child and that’s how Elizabeth died. Whether it’s Circus Baby’s perspective or Elizabeth’s, bad things happen when no one else is around.
@@SorowFame plus even as Elizabeth we only ever know her to be around Afton or on her own. No friends to note, not too strong a bond with her siblings, no mother. All she had was William and later his creations, would explain her desperation to be around Baby, she’s got nobody else. Would also explain why she has a controlling nature and why on occasions like night 4 she can get… abrasive, lack of social skills that didn’t involve her father, a known manipulator, her brothers, a bully and a “crying child”. And now with her seeming personality issue (not being fully sure if she’s still Elizabeth) she basically clings to what she can even if she does so by controlling them. She’s manipulative, she’s terrifying, but she’s still a little girl
@@baisakhimukherjee7524 honestly I hope we see more of both of them. Because Cassie is my favourite protagonist in the franchise and Elizabeth has the potential to be on par with Afton and Mimic as fnaf’s best villains
Shit, Baby would be a really good Frankenstein’s Monster allegory. Someone that, since they were made, has been nothing but abused, and craves attachment, but can only communicate with violence and manipulation because that’s what it knows.
I've heard theories that the reason why Baby is so aggressive during SL's night 4 is because that's not Baby at all, but Funtime Foxy using voice mimicry. Funtime Foxy was, after all, the one to bring you to that room, which connects directly to Funtime Auditorium - it would be a simpler part of the plan than having Baby there when she could be organizing the killing and hanging of the technicians, something which has to be happening at that moment as they are attempting to leave during that sequence and dead by the next night. It was just something to keep you busy while that was happening, raise the stakes a bit and make it seem like things aren't right so that the absence of Funtime Foxy and Ballora can be a mystery rather than something which might make the building keep their target from entering. Also, for the Office: Job Interview level, I think its name is important. You're in the depths of the CBE&R facility, so you've already got a job there, and they wouldn't throw you in there to have Baby interview you to see if you're worth hiring anyways. This is _Baby_ interviewing you, and you succeeding at that interview means she thinks you're worth keeping around. That for whatever plan she's cooked up, you'll fit the role she needs.
tbh i kinda see the night 4 thing as Baby knowing she has gained Michael's trust (somehow) and then getting aggressive so she later can manipulate Michael if he were to question her or something like that. like it's probably not that deep and it's probably not her abusing Michael to later gaslight him about it, but it would make for a pretty cool part of her motivation and an explanation for her actions if it WAS a thing she did
I’d be interested in a game that takes place during the day, just to see the animations of the animatronics like Baby in action. She was so underused in her own game.
technically we got a shitpost fangame trilogy, but unfortunately one, its a shitpost made while someone was drunk, and two, its a fan game, making it non-canonical (thank god)
My theory on Baby vs Scrap Baby and why they act so *different* is simple: Baby is controlled by her *programming* while Scrap Baby is purely controlled by *Elizabeth.* This would explain Scrap Baby’s loyalty to her father while the original Baby wanted to kill him. Basically what I’m saying is that Baby and Elizabeth are separate entities who just happen to be roommates.
You know, I always assumed that the reason why Baby doesn't kill us when we take the ice cream is because we are just not a child. She is programmed to kill kids this way but we are playing an adult here (probably Cassie's Dad). I interpreted her not attacking us this way as an element that was supposed to make you understand you played as an adult.
I always thought it was because we are either an adult or.... she saw a ghost behind us and her programming counted it as another person, which is chilling to think a ghost was looming over us, but not impossible in this franchise
even if sister location’s gameplay isn’t the greatest, the story is AWESOME. circus baby in sl is such an effective villain- not to mention her voice lines are amazing! i get chills every time i hear her voice
i think making it so that we never have a direct encounter with baby in sl was a good choice tbh- us never actually encountering her makes her seem more threatening, almost like she’s hiding herself from us, or like she’s right behind us, waiting. it further sets her apart from the other animatronics, who the game presents as mindless predators
@@caughtintheundertow The Sauron Effect Effect, as I like to call it, although unlike Sauron, we hear directly from her plenty often, despite never seeing her active in person.
I am going to say it: IT IS AN ABSOLUTE CRIME WE DIDNT GET A MINIGAME WHERE WE PLAY AS LEFTY TRYING TO CAPTURE THE PUPPET. Would've been such a cool minigame.
I never thought they all transformed into Ennard before. When she says “we’ve been out before” I assumed it meant when they were rented out. To me them all becoming Ennard then decommissioned and back into their original animatronics was weird to me.
Things I wanna talk about. 1. In job interview circus baby says that she likes it in the entertainment and rental facility and that it feels safe, but we know that she along with the others wanted to escape. 2. I wonder why we see Funtime Chica in help wanted 2 but not in sister location 3. I kinda wish the Funtime animatronics just left the underground facility as themselves instead of forming to become ennard.
1. It is very odd... Still not sure what it could mean! 2. I think that Scott wanted to go back to the four-character formula of the original Fnaf games so Chica was scrapped in favor of the new female band members, Baby, and Ballora. However, interest in Funtime Chica led to her appearing in Pizzeria Simulator, and the rest is history! 3. Honestly, I agree. You know, I kind of wish Ennard himself was his own thing, because he's really cool but by being the whole band, you get stuck with a four in one deal.
" circus baby says that she likes it in the entertainment and rental facility and that it feels safe, but we know that she along with the others wanted to escape." Makes me think this is the real Baby, that her AI/soul wound up in the Pizzaplex VR network and she finds it safe, safe forever. Baby did want to escape the facility back then(and did), but everything since has changed her mind and now she's retreated into the network. At least, that's what I think is going on. HW2 is what made me seriously wonder if CB has returned.
One peculiar detail that may throw a wrench in the works: Baby's stomach fan. Perhaps it was for the ice cream cooler, but I think it was also to ventilate the stomach chamber so a kidnapped child could breathe. And I say "kidnapped" because that was Afton's goal in SL, to kidnap the kids and put them in his experiment dungeon, right? Now here's a critical turn of events: Circus Baby captures Elizabeth by accident, but by that point, Afton has coincidentally disappeared. Elizabeth is then trapped inside Baby while Baby is shipped back to the SL complex, and there she remains stuck inside Baby until she dies of thirst. Afton wasn't around to free her. This prolonged suffering is similar to how the original animatronics become possessed. I believe two factors lead to possession: Prolonged agony while trapped and dying alone, and not getting a proper burial. By the end of SL, Circus Baby may have been "cleaned" by the scooper but by that point it was too late and Elizabeth's soul was now possessing Baby. And with her remains being tossed in the trash or wherever, she wouldn't get a proper burial that could release her soul. (I keep reiterating the burial thing because Scott is a self-proclaimed christian and many christians believe the soul can't rest without proper burial) Take all this with a grain of salt, but I just don't think Baby's stomach claw was intended to kill the victim.
I know Scott said he wanted the books and the games to be separate canon, but that kind of doesn't work when either he (or someone else) keeps shoving references from the books into the games and vice-versa.
Yeah plus some books references the games and experience of what we've done. So I would say Both books & games somewhat make a few canon connections, but I wouldn't say 100%
It does it's called just ignoring the books as they aren't canon not hard really. It's everyone else making a big deal out of book lines not the books themselves.
I treat it like the canon of Warhammer 40k in GW: "Everything is canon, not everything is true" As in everything exists in-universe, but some of it is just stories and propaganda
@sev1120 Honesstly, I do think this is a good way to go. However, developers should collaborate with the writers for the tie-in media. That way, events stay on track and don't vary too much, and the game devs don't just use the book as an excuse to explain the ending. Expand, yes, but tell the actual story of the game, no.
I find it odd that in hw2, the bidybabs were shoved in Ballora's levels. Have you ever noticed that? As henchmen of baby, it's rather odd that they weren't used in baby's level but instead it's plushbabies again.
Imagine being Michael during the Ennard boss fight. Your trying to stop an amalgamation of the animatronics that you've been dealing with for past few night from entering your office and hold it off until 6am when help will finally arrive, when all of the sudden the voice of your loved one who died or went missing sometime before all this starts talking to you from outside the office, telling you that their still there, everything is ok, and to let them in.
The way I understand the shift in character is that Baby is manipulative but calm and not super theatrical, while specifically Elizabeth is a broken, desperate for attention child who inherited William's bad tendencies while being subservient to him. If they are ever in flux of identity, different attributes and swings in personality could exist even if one or the other is more in control in certain instance.
Honestly Help Wanted 2 was just all around a really good game for the Sister Location cast which is really cool and hopefully Steel Wool counties this trend with the upcoming DLC for Help Wanted 2
@@CatIguess Man poor Foxy suffered the same fate as Monty but either then Monty still found his way into the game with both many references and his model being something you can unlock and the view in the hub
@@ReeceConnor. right and when he got a voice they immediately took it away from her like that voice that personality was the most interesting thing they had going for them but they took it away and gave him the Funtime auditorium and run down the hall treatment two roles she’s already played so many times before
That would have very creepy implications, because we know that she was literally designed to capture children and kill them... And I don't think the games ever really did tell us if he was lying or not
@@katherinetressler1508 If anyone would know how a daughter thinks and what she'd do, it would be her father. That would mean that either he never meant for Elizabeth to be a victim or he absolutely wanted her to be the one to possess Baby. And if he did, then think about for a bit. Not only is William morally bankrupt enough to kill children and commonly puts his employees in extremely dangerous situations, he truly believes possession and having remnant equals genuine immortality. And if he noticed the other animatronics following the puppet (Charlie), he might want to replicate that. So why not choose a child he'd know for certain would be loyal to him and would do anything to make daddy proud.
@@mill2712 I can see that, but what if it was to protect her as well, not only would Elizabeth be the perfect follower due to her "daddy's girl" loyalty but she would be immortal and practically indestructible. In the storyline of the game, it's implied that her death came after her brother's, the crying child, and he was killed by a cruel prank their older brother caused. maybe William built Baby so it would be a surefire way to get his daughter back, sure he would have to kill her first, but unlike the crying child, her death would only be temporary, like getting your child sick with the chicken pox on purpose, sure your kid will get sick for a while but afterwards, they'll be immune to it and never get chicken pox again. This might be a hint of a similar thought process, sure Elizabeth will die and it will probably be an unpleasant death, but afterwards, she'll be indestructible and unkillable, he'd have his little girl to help his plans and follow orders and he'd never have to worry about something happening to her that would take her away from him.
"Michael can't *possibly* kill another of my kids if I do it first! Hey Elizabeth, you like clowns, right? Okay cool. What? Oh, no reason. Don't worry about it."
The way I took it, she wasn't really "cognizant" until she got Elizabeth. Still did those things cuz she was programmed to but also didn't really have a sense of morality due to being a newborn of sorts/robot. So by the time she understood it was bad/terrible, she probably didn't have any reason to regret or feel remorseful over it. Probably was just like a cat getting scolded over something- they're gonna do it again and they don't care. But she still had to learn to "pretend" to avoid the punishments which she didn't like.
This is a very hot take about Baby but I think the change of the controlling manipulating and cunning Circus Baby to the devoted sad daddy issue's girl Scrap Baby makes sense, or at least to me. Elizabeth is killed and trapped in a metal body of her killer, later on trapped underground and treated horribly, she finally had control she had control of the Funtime gang (Ennard) but then was kicked out, abandoned and left to rot with no one with her, all alone. Elizabeth and Circus baby already had a horrible life and now they're on the streets with no one, she's completely alone and no one wants her. Working with her father was a way to be wanted by someone to not be alone even though Baby hated him she had no one else. And her going even more crazy and losing her manipulating persona to straight up psycho killer could have been her breaking down. Think about her kinda like Azula from ATLA (I'm hoping you watched that cartoon if you haven't she's just evil sister girl with fire powers and devoted to her father) Azula was basically used by her evil father, had no friends anymore and had no one, she then lost it had hallucinations of her missing mother, had eye bags cut her own bangs, had the whole joker looking lipstick and was ended up screaming and crying on the floor. This seems to be the same case with Elizabeth/Baby, she lost it she lost herself and her obvious killer nature is her not caring to keep the nice facade. She also wants to be wanted because again she has no one, her being this crazy blood thirsty was for her father she's trying to prove herself. Also Elizabeth could have a form of Stockholm syndrome to not only her father and Baby, Elizabeth chose to keep the Baby appearance even though she could have made any appearance with scraps yet she chose her killer as her appearance. Same for William she could have Stockholm syndrome with her dad, and the fact that William is highly manipulative and Elizabeth could think that her dad knows best, he was the one that told her to not get close to Baby, she disobeyed and now she's being punished, and to not be punished or hurt anymore she needs to listen to her dad, father knows best. So her sanity going down and becoming a daddy's girl makes sense in a psychological way, how ever it would have been better if we saw the actual transformation of her losing it, instead of a complete 180.
It's worth noting that the Funtimes' plan was ultimately a failure due to two reasons. 1: They failed to get William like they wanted and, instead, scooped Michael, someone completely innocent of William's wrongdoings. This means they scooped an innocent person by mistake, not the tormentor they sought. 2: Michael's body ultimately degraded to the point of being useless for their purpose: hiding amidst the human population. Which eventually forced them to abandon it. This means that they had not scooped their intended target and couldn't even use him for very long. It wouldn't surprise me that these contributed heavily to Lizzy's mental state. The plan was a failure, and she had hurt her own brother for nothing. That must have sucked for her when she realized that. As that left her with no one. Her mother and her brothers (Michael and CC) were gone. The other Funtimes had tossed her to the side. The only one she had left was her father, whose warning about not going near Baby turned out to be true. As that one moment of disobedience cost her everything. And combined with the issues I pointed out above, I can believe that Elizabeth was willing to become Daddy's little henchman if it was written a little better (like an in-between night mini-game showing us how William found Lizzy).
Yes, Amanda from the Saw series is a great example of what you are referring to here. Victim to Heir Apparent, although her games are shames and unwinnable,😉 Additionally we don't know if any of our interactions with Baby in SL were with Baby or just ennard; Nights 1-3 mave have been maneuvering the other workers and bots into position to kill and assimilate. And in 6 we should also consider the fact that Baby never got to grow up she'll remain a child forever and with daddy being so close and within earshot you know the kids are bound to at least pretend to be the obedient and dutiful daughter daddy's has always wanted. I think the op here's issues with Baby lie in the fact she's read the Fourth Closet. Or Elizabeth never Poke Evolved up the age tiers into adulthood nor mainlined as the primary antagonist, the sudden break in Babys character wasn't between SL and 6, but rather the ops head canon and 6.
The problem with baby after sister location is that they couldn’t have her being manipulative because we know she is and Michael did too, but the change in her personality is just not her. It could have easily just been her continuing to manipulate you in smaller ways as to still have a hold on you or her controlling things behind the scenes but they did so many things that she would never have done and, now there is a lot of people who just think about her as she acts in pizzeria simulator. I would know I was one of them until I found this channel and now I can say that *circus* baby is one of my favourite fnaf characters but only circus baby.
the clarification that its only circus baby is hilarious, i love it. yeah she's a great character worth loving shame her incarnations or whatever those are got the short end of an awful pile
Well it’s possible that meeting William may have caused more of Elizabeth to surface or maybe they one they ejected wasn’t Circus Baby but rather Elizabeth or maybe she decided to play the naive and obedient daughter in order to trick William there are potential explanations for her change in behaviour
@@StephDilimia think about it. he lost his son, and his daughter, plus his business. the pain and grief could drive practically anyone to do something as horrible as what william did.
@@SoRA.the.menac3 He abused his daughter, seemingly tortures his 2 other children AND ruins his OWN company by murdering. Everything that's happened to him is his own doing.
Circus Baby is Circus Baby, containing Elizabeth soul, likely a mix between, showing the childness derivated from Elizabeth, but mostly a programmed manipulative kidnapping machine. Elizabeth's soul gives Circus Baby depth and uniqueness, and her soul is the one thing that makes Circus Baby breaks once in a while. Maybe Circus Baby is the manipulative ,pacing one, and Elizabeth's soul might have impaired some agony, which justifies the relentless breakdown at night 4. Circus baby becomes Ennard with the FunTimes ,which seemly suppress Elizabeth's soul from manifesting. It's said they've been Ennard before,so it's very likely Elizabeth's soul was split between all of them - that's why Elizabeth's soul barely appears on Circus Baby alone. It also implies they might be relentless because they're also inflicted with agony, and very little to nothing of Elizabeth's soul herself. After they became Ennard and kept together for a unknown time, Elizabeth's soul pieces were at one place. She is the one who gets separated from the others. Elizabeth's soul is treated like a virus and expelled. Her agony tho, is what keeps moving forward Molten Freddy - unrelentless, unable to think and plan properly. So, Scrap Baby is what the name says: The scraps. The parts contaminated by Elizabeth's soul, that were tossed out. She's fully on daddy girl's mode because she's now free of Circus Baby's programming ,which was what made her cunning and feign innocence, all while using some of a veridic child's demeanor from Elizabeth's soul.
One reason for the possible change in personality is that she knows Michael isn't going to fall for her lies again. So it's better to just be direct. While she's good at playing pretend, she's not going to fool Michael after wearing her brother as a skin suit. Also she got what she wanted: she's out of the Rental Place. Michael is completely unnecessary and even a possible detriment to her plans. Also her comments on "You won't die." imply that she knew all along about her father's immortality, and she did actually want to be reunited with Afton. Another might be the trauma of her getting kicked out of Ennard. Imagine if you will: you and your friends have been unjustly trapped in prison for 30 years and are subjected to electroshock therapy for each and every day. You don't do what the warden says: you get punished with a shock. If you comply with their orders, your reward is another shock. Then you hatch a plan to escape, get your friends to go along with your plan, which one way or another goes off without a hitch. {Let's be real: Michael probably got scooped in the "good" ending too.} Then, after saving yourself and your friends from torture, they don't want to follow you anymore. Even if you literally saved them from their torment. They kick you out and leave you alone in a dumpster, hurt, betrayed and alone. Finally, possibly in addition to these traumatic experiences you find that daddy's old business is open again, daddy is inside and you break in to find your brother and your dad in the same building. Elisabeth, having been mentally broken beyond recovery comes to the conclusion that her dad built this new Freddy’s for her and he's giving her a chance to correct her previous mistake of not listening to him. Causing her to over-correct and go totally off the rails. It's not 100% confirmed but that's what I personally think happened. In short: we don't know how much time passed between Sister Location and Pizzeria Simulator. So this could be a very plausible explanation for her personality shift. Her mind has broken utterly after being kicked out of Ennard and she's having a meltdown like Britney Spears when she shaved her head.
Bad writing can and WILL ruin good characters and the Media that they are attached to. When bad writers are gotten rid of, the characters and their Media can not only restored but made better. That's what happened to Baby from Sister Location to HW2. As for an in universe explanation for her behavior, Elizabeth Afton is the most like William Afton, which makes sense because she was The Golden Child in his eyes. Plus, I like the idea that Sire Squawks' Game Charlie vs Game Elizabeth's video that after the other Funtimes gave her the Boot, she latched onto when she felt at her best, her most loved when she was Circus Baby, hence her becoming Scrap Baby and her Daddy's weapon. And like with Charlie/The Puppet, I believe and won't be pushed away from the idea that Elizabeth/Baby was Freed during the FNAF 6 Fire. I keep that idea for Charlie because I don't want her to suffer anymore. Elizabeth gets the idea because she became a rabid animal that needed to be Put Down for her own sake and the sake of the public. She was too far gone but since she was one of William's victims at the end of the day, she didn't deserve to go to UCN and The Darkest Pit of Hell. She just needed to be stopped. I hope that Baby keeps the writers she got in HW2 or gets turned over to more competent people because it'd be a damned dirty shame if things went backwards!
I like to think that when Scrap Baby says “I will make you proud daddy” she’s mocking Michael for still doing what his father told him even when that got him killed. Probably not canon, but I like to imagine this was her intention.
3:34 “masking any other smells” that’d be a good idea for William to implement a scent-dispelling device in baby to mask the rotting smell of her victim, and not raise suspicion
A hot take: maybe afton wanted elizabeth to be killed, come on, what would you expect from a kid after saying to not go to that thing and later be scooped?
For a man who believes being killed painfully and a forced possession is genuine immortality. Along with getting involved with remnant and trying to replicate the puppet and how the other animatronics follow it. It makes you wonder if he wanted the same thing but with a more loyal child. He did say he made Circus Baby just for Elizabeth...
Fun fact! In FNaF AR Baby's mechanics involve her pretending as well, as she can sometimes make the charging sound, making players look up to shock her but then actually haywire instead, killing any players who were fooled by her. essentially, she pretends to charge at you, so that you look up to shock her while she's vulnerable, but tricks you by haywiring instead, and since you are now looking up, likely at her face, she kills you.
Steel Wool and Scott have mentioned wanting to make a carnival game, and a lot of ppl have theorized (me included) it will be based on the fall festival. with as far back as the festival goes its unlike we'll see our circus baby, but maybe we'll see a prototype or some old version of circus baby. that would be cool!
While yours is a completely valid interpretation of night 4, I took something very different from it. My interpretation was that, after saving your life, she hid you in a suit in the scooping room to allow you to learn more about how horrific her current situation is. To show you the reality of their existence down here. She sounds bitter, but not threatening to me. I think it's actually a ploy to garner more sympathy.
I had a thought that could possibly explain the personality shift with baby and scrap baby. Perhaps when Baby split from Ennard it wasn't actually Baby that was split, what if they instead split off Elizabeth? Thus the reason they seem like different character would be because they are in fact different characters. Scrap baby being Elizabeth's spirit that was discarded from Ennard while Baby herself remained part of the Ennard collective.
35:56 with the way that it's rumored that the Minireenas could be hiding in packs inside of Ballora's body, can you imagine if, somehow, there were dozens of smaller Bidybabs packed inside of Baby's body...
Ok but what if the weird character changes were some kind of act to confuse people? Maybe she was trying to fool Scraptrap and trying to scare both Mike in Sister Location and the person we play as in FNAF AR. And of course, sparing the Help Wanted 2 protagonist (Cassie's dad) to confuse him perhaps. Maybe the character isn't broken, she's just purposefully confusing to fool people.
12:55 I've had a theory for a while that sometimes when we hear Baby it's actually Ennard talking. I think it's Ennard with Baby's voice talking to us at the very end in the scooping room, because we are told the animatronics can replicate voices. I've also speculated what if we never actually talked to Baby at all? We never see her activated really. But I'm not really a deep lore keeper for FNAF I just like the idea. It probably wouldn't hold up.
Course she's broken. Got scooped then cobbled herself back together before getting char broiled. Jokes aside, I think Baby had the misfortune of being a bit if a plot device first and character second
I'd need to brush up again on Sister Location to be fully confident, but my takeaway with Night 4 is that Baby recognizes 'William' sometime in Night 3/before Michael wakes up in Night 4. Before then, she's just trying to gain the trust of a random technician that seems agreeable enough to be of use. And then she sees him, her creator that engineered her daily torture. She starts becoming more threatening because she's livid, and if she can't kill him yet, she's going to enjoy watching him try to not squirm in the suit. She never quite realizes that Eggs Benedict is Michael, but she may have realized anytime before Night 5 starts that Eggs is searching for something; he's going to keep coming back. So when he DOES come back in Night 5, she tries to rein her resentment in and cash in on the earlier sympathy she'd garnered. Which, to be fair, works...because Michael isn't going to abandon his sister now that he's found her. It's because he ISN'T William that this works.
Ah The Fourth Closet ! Truly the most... FNaF media ever. If FFPS was a disappointing downgrade for Baby's character, The Fourth Closet is like an assassination of what WAS Baby in SL. Once again HW2 is not only a great game for its diversed and fun gameplay, but also a great game for how it treated its character. It treated them as ACTUAL characters instead of plain robot with a facade of a personality serving a purpose, a simple role.
5:04 When you pointed out how Baby’s behavior didn’t entirely spawn from her programming, I was worried that you would blame Elizabeth for making Baby the way she is, much like how some people like to paint Elizabeth as the bad guy when really, she couldn’t control Baby like the MCI kids controlled the FNaF 1 crew. In fact, the Fourth Closet makes it clear that Elizabeth’s memories and emotions are the only thing that are influencing Baby, and that she herself is not controlling Baby. I’m glad you brought up how Baby refers to Elizabeth as a separate character. Sometimes people think Elizabeth and Baby are one and the same, and while Elizabeth is possessing Baby, she’s not the manipulative and cruel person people paint her as. You can argue that both are one and the same, but I think it’s more likely that 1. Her emotions and memories are influencing Baby. Or 2. Elizabeth is actually in control of Baby, but the more time she spends as Baby, the more she starts to lose herself until the AI itself replaces her entirely. Both of which are still tragic ideas to consider. And honestly, the idea of possessing an animatronic while not being able to control it at all is genuinely terrifying and tragic. It’s one thing to be killed and stuffed inside a suit and then being able to haunt it, but not being able to do anything as your memories and emotions start to influence the animatronic to the point of gaining sentience is a whole new level of sorrow and pain, especially for a child who’s been neglected and who only wanted her father’s love (despite people calling her spoiled for some reason). This has made me appreciate Elizabeth and Circus Baby a lot more, and I find it very interesting that Scott chose to go with this new take on animatronic possession that ultimately gave us an intimidating yet tragic villain, and a new kid whose motives and intentions were ultimately misunderstood by the fandom.
@notrealnameatall2476 Note: I also think Baby is a victim of Afton. I know I said all of this with the idea of Baby being the real antagonist, but I forgot that Baby was also mistreated and tortured by Afton even before she got possessed by Elizabeth. So really, both Elizabeth and Baby are victims of Afton. I hope I didn’t paint Baby as purely antagonistic when really, all I wanted to do was differentiate Elizabeth from Baby. As for the idea of Circus Baby and Elizabeth being one and the same (as in, much like Charlie possesses Puppet), I think that would have been really interesting. But also, I find it difficult to imagine Elizabeth acting as a cold and manipulative person when really, all she wanted was her father’s love. I could see how Elizabeth would want to get revenge on William, and honestly, I think much like the MCI kids is upset at William for killing them, she’s allowed to be upset at William’s continued negligence of her (forcing her to perform as an animatronic, shocking her, keeping her locked in a bunker). But again, while you see these kids trying to kill security guards in the name of revenge, you never see them trying to manipulate others. That’s why I always find it odd that Elizabeth would be the one to act manipulative. That’s just not what a child would do, even when she’s actively being tortured as an animatronic (heck, it wouldn’t be impossible if she learned to pretend just so that she could avoid being tortured, after all, kids can be really intelligent). And here’s the thing, even if a child were to actually be manipulative in nature, I don’t think that’s a reason for people to call that child out as a monster and a villain. Is it bad to be manipulative? Yes, but more than likely, the child probably doesn’t know that. Heck, Baby didn’t even realize Michael was not William. For all we know, Baby/Elizabeth probably didn’t want to hurt Michael, and they just wanted to hurt William as revenge. So really, are you going to be upset at her for accidentally killing her brother when their father had done much worse? It’s like calling Puppet/Charlie an absolute monster for wanting to attack a guard just because they think they are William. And heck, even if the kids had a strong distaste for adults, it’s most likely because they generalized it from their encounter with Afton, and not necessarily because they are jerks by nature. You could say Elizabeth’s bad experiences influenced her to want to get back at anyone who tortured her, and her manipulation was most likely a result of her learning that from William or something, Idk. Unfortunately, people will always like to demonize kids and women for being flawed rather than calling out the serial killer who’s arguably much worse than everyone else. Idk, I’m just sharing my thoughts on the matter.
It really doesn't make sense for her to be spoiled, since she is a little girl and when she insists William go with circus baby she doesn't throw tantrums in fact she acts calm or maybe scared, but it seems that her obsession with circus baby is in the game as in the book and that was created because of his father
21:48 iirc the biggest change to baby aftet sl is that the chip thing we took out of the baby "suit" We put it into the hand unit and it is never brought up again so it could have something to do with baby's behavior seeing as it was locked behind a passcode but until brought up again we wont know
The thing is, Baby is still referring to Elizabeth as 'her' after that and acting the same. There could've been a delayed reaction, but if that's the case, it still happened off-screen.
Night 4 baby is always such a weird plot beat for me. Even ignoring the massive flip flop in terms of personality it also involves the 7 foot tall 600 pound clown somehow sneakily prying us away from funtime foxy, stuffing us into a springlock suit, and all without being seen on the cameras. Its to the point that I wonder if it was funtime foxy talking to us using that voice recording and splicing thingy in their blue prints (but that opens a whole nother can of worms considering that we never ever see her and only hear her). Its just the moment for me that broke my interest in her even before she got stuck being Peepaw’s minion
I feel like baby did the spring lock suit thing to check micheals size, like to see if they'd be able to fit inside well enough. But it could be something like "I have all the power here, I haven't hurt you yet even though I easily can so you can trust me" type deal
My head-canon for “Pizzeria Simulator” is that ScrapBaby was just pretending and was actually planning to slice William Afton up with her claw, the same claw he designed that got her killed. But she never got that chance because Henry decided he wanted to become an arsonist before she could manipulate William into giving her answers as to what was going on (thinking he was behind the pizzeria). As for Baby disassociating herself from Elizabeth. It could be a Darth Vader sort of thing where they try and distance themselves from their past lives due to the pain or trauma it causes. Baby’s monologue about pretending during, Night 4 was it? Would make more sense if we view this as Elizabeth confronting who she believes to be her father, forced inside a spring lock suit similar to what she was put into and killed in. She’s still a child and probably out of smugness at seeing this acted up. This paints Elizabeth/Baby as a manipulative, calculating if occasionally overcome with smugness and pettiness, self-serving, and willing to do anything to survive and be free. This would make Baby more of an antihero type character, one that leans more towards villainy due to her homicidal nature and willingness to murder. “Help Wanted 2” would be a pretty good ending for the character, if it was indeed the actual Elizabeth Afton, and not a AI recreation.
12:44 I actually found this video talking about how this does Ballora so dirty. They suggested a rewrite of the scenario where Balloran kidnapped Michal, and then Baby would "save us" to make us trust her more. Then, we be given a choice to either follow her to the scooping room or run and escape into the scicurity room. It would it easier to get to it, at least. I forgot who made the video, so if you want to watch it, then search up "why Ballora is my favorite character." You should find it.
I think baby broke character on night 4 because she had you right where she wanted so you'd suffer the most painful death possible, so caught up with revenge that she forgot all about escape, and there'll always be another unfortunate schmuck who walks in only to get bamboozled, organ harvested, and then worn.
sorry for spamming recently, I just hope you see this probably most hot take :) HOT TAKE - *The main Scot FNAF games should have ended at 4* Personally, the first 3 games were a pace perfect suspenseful story, FNAF 1 excellently establishes the atmosphere and mystery, FNAF 2 brilliantly sets up Afton and the horrors he committed, and FNAF 3 perfectly ends the story with the karma burning of William Afton, and long overdue justice for the victims (or adds another victim to the tragic Afton pizzeria murders) But the later games ruined and overcomplicated the original perfect trilogy. FNAF 4 added the confusing bite of 83 and the box (still unsolved 9 years later), SL was fine on its own but out of place in the timeline, and Pizza Sim was the most underwhelming finale, suddenly introducing new undeveloped characters, and added more questions than answers. Springtrap should have perished in FNAF 3, and FNAF 4 should've been the "Afton gets to enjoy hell" game instead of UCN (Could include more direct references to the bite of 87 among other horrible crimes Afton did). SL could be after FNAF 2, showing the origins of Micheal and his efforts of chasing down his murderous father (at the end, include a connection with 2 of being Fritz Smith). Then if the series wanted to continue beyond that I think HW and SB should have been the "Vanny is the next William Afton" WITHOUT THE DUMB GLITCHTRAP AND BURNTRAP THING. At the end of the day, the main story and lore were dragged out far too much for far too long. Stretching itself out far more than it feels like it was ever designed to do.
29:30 Yeah this is something I’ve noticed and think is kind of silly (well sexualising any fnaf character is pretty silly tbh), she’s probably one of the goofier looking animatronics, as well as the many child-like aspects of her very design (her name is literally baby…). Like, just say you wanna be emotionally manipulated by a mean, uncaring woman and move on :3, that’s more normal (I think) and better than saying you’re attracted to the toddler clown…
unsure of how popular this opinion is, but i’m really not a huge fan of the plushbabies. i really liked the bidybabs in sl, and using the plushies sort of feels like a downgrade
In the books it's stated that Circus Baby's baby form is created using rods all over her body in combination with the illusion disc. So essentially the version of baby we saw in Sister Location was just Michael tripping on the sweet drug called Soundwaves!!!
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I swear it was established that the change in character for baby was bc in sister location it was the programming of baby that was fully in control becoming self aware after having the soul of Elizabeth inside her but after she got separated from ennard and became scrap baby the soul of Elizabeth took full control on the animatronic. Just like how the puppet says in UCN she’s very self aware now while the others are like animals. So during pizza sim that was when Elizabeth because fully aware.
Fourth closet baby/Charlie is literally a kid of divorced parents who are fighting over custody with how many times she was taken by Henry from William and William from henry
Is it possible that Scrap baby is some sort of decoy circus baby built by Circus baby or someone else, think about it? Circus baby is at first portrayed as a master manipulator and we never really truly see her in SL. Instead of suddenly becoming Williams puppet in FNAF 6, wouldn't it make more sense that she would make a scrap version of herself that could trick William. We know William is egotistical to a fault and may not bat an eye to scrap baby if she pretends to be subservient. She does say the most important thing you can learn to do is pretend I don't know if that's just me wishing she was secretly smarter than the game let's on, or an actual point Scott intended. Also love your videos
21:54 It would be very funny if Scrap Baby and Circus Baby were not just two completely different animatronics but also had different spirits. One is Elizabeth, while the other, well, Abby, or whatever the game counterpart of her character would be. If this was the case, it's actually possible that Circus Baby's rebuilt body could be something akin to the old endoskeleton seen in RUIN, who actually shares personality traits with the SL Circus Baby. Now, that'd be a twist. Perhaps it's why, after the apparent first debut of this endo character, that the very next game places a large emphasis on Circus Baby. Who knows. Since Circus Baby and Scrap Baby have been compared to death by now, it'd be nice to see a video comparison for Circus Baby and Grimick.
I feel like a FNAF game in the daytime would do some good change. Maybe to be a mechanic/janitor in the morning, and in the nighttime you would be the security guard.
When I say I have been waiting for this video! I love hearing you talk about circus babies portrayals because I feel like so much of fnafs writing issues are overlooked by the community in favor of lore, so hearing you talk about it is a breath of fresh air
I have a question about Baby. Does she also dispose of the corpses somehow? I mean William never seemed to notice Elizabeth was gone till he saw the shift in Babys eyes. You would think he would have found Elizabeth when servicing Baby right?
William likely did find Elizabeth as the Scooper was made to gut animatronics and retrieve the bodies. Though knowing Will, he might've not cared all that much.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Makes sense. Its possible the Scooper itself may have delt the killing blow to Elizabeth while simply removing Babys Endo for Remnant processing and maintenance. William may have just seen corpse residue and not put the pieces together till Baby changed due to possession. Makes sense to me that this is why Baby would want so eagerly for William to be scooped as well.
I honestly think that Baby thought in night 4, “Oh, the minireenas are gonna k_ll him, I might as well drop the act.” But in lore, Micheal survived it, so, in night 5 she had to quickly bring back her “nice” facade, to trick Micheal
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Circus Baby was actually broken when a closet fell on her head in 1986. The fourth one, to be exact.
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That’s a good one tho.
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Fair point.
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Ohhhhh yooooooooouuuuuuuuuuu- that was clever. Very clever.
I really hope baby is used again. She is a super cool character tbh
5:08 idk why when circus baby said that it reminded me of poppy from poppy playtime when she says ‘we need you’
She’s my favorite character am why did they do her dirty 😭 I’m so glad she got justice in hw2 and her size is so estimating I love her personality she’s seems so innocent but a mask of her cold m calculated killer ✨✨✨
Baby: Empathy? In this economy?
Is "Mystic" the same as "Doctor" or "Professor"? Is it like a very annoying thing if you mistakenly call them Miss or Mister? They didn't spend a decade deep in the woods learning the comings and goings of the spirits to be called Miss.
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All of the poster art for Baby in universe has her with green eyes, dispite the fact she was made with blue eyes, with all of her key art for marketing material realistically being prepared before Circus Baby's even opened. This either means A. This is a funny continuety goof, or B. William saw that his daughter possessed Baby, and instead of doing anything about his dead kid he immediately went "Oh shit, not my marketing" and swiftly rebranded to accompany for Baby's new eyes.
option b doesnt sound bad and more in character for william
honestly william would do that
The only reason i would go with option A is because i personally hc Henry being the greedy one who ended up influencing the future CEOs and natuee of Fazbear Entretainment as an extremly cheap company, while William was a shut-in who barely knew how to manage resources and din't care either
@@MarcyTheKindaCoolWizardin my opinion henry absolutely cared, and he wasn't incompetent, either william, animatronics, or in one case random kids fucked him over. Things like the security puppet and the toy animatronics were specifically made so that william couldn't keep up his bullshit.
“Ah sh*t, the kids are gonna see her eyes are different. Time to change the eye colour on all bits of merchandise to the eye colour of my dead/(possibly) stated-as-missing daughter!”
Why is Enard walking like he’s trying his best to hide that he got hit with the meanest Charlie horse in history
Someone forgot to put in proper padding on his joints. XD
Ennards gotta take a serious grumpy and is trying to not have an accident 😂
@@Kylorin235 That's such a great idiom, it's living in my head, now.
@@PopfulFrost Glad you like it 😀
He’s getting ready for marathon, and he just realized he’s missing a shoe!
Ok but the sense of horror when you realize you HAVE to take the icecream easily outweighs any jumpscare. Then nothing happens, and that horror stays. If Baby had jumpscared us it would have been over, but she didn’t and we are left with a far greater horror
That's absolutely it. Reaching an ending or failure condition releases tension, whereas not doing so lets it linger and continue to build. For a series like FNaF, where a lot of the time there always has been a pretty definitive set of win and lose conditions - either you see whatever ending there is, whether it's a check or pink slip in the first game, or a cutscene in later ones; or you get jumpscared. This level not doing that adds more. And I think its name has something to do with that, as well - Baby is interviewing you, in her own way, likely having staged the lights going out herself, and you passing the interview means she wants to keep you around, and there's no telling what ends she's working towards.
I agree, that section was so good. I actually died the first time I beat the level because I didn't take the ice cream expecting a trap
not to mention cause of the whole “the games are games in universe” thing baby probably knows that whoever she’s taking to knows about what happened to elizabeth. she’s toying with us - scaring the player into submission while not being directly hostile.
If you take too long, then she jumpscares you, not with her claw but yk.
That's quiet horror right there. FNAF usually has a wealth of tension releases, be it the chime of 6 am or a jumpscare and a cut to static. Jumpscare horror like FNAF's usually tends to lead to bigger cash outs of player shock and horror, but less genuine dread and fear. Not to say that the games aren't scary, but the nature of the games doesn't lead itself to looming, lasting dread.
I think that that also goes to increase the impact of the moment. We're so used to an obvious attack or being baited that this seeming passivity is even more unnerving. We're so used to a release of tension in this series that a night just simply ending with no release is even more effective.
One thing I’ve noticed about Baby is she always goes out of her way to avoid being alone. In Night 2 she has the Bidybabs, in Night 3 she welcomes your presence and gives you access to her room as well as saving you when you get caught. In Night 4 she has you and Ballora there. In Night 5 she’s a part of Ennard. In TFC she’s always with someone else and will take excuses to not be alone, even if it means being around Afton. Maybe that’s why she planned to betray him by the end, she found another path by having a more human form
Maybe the reason she becomes more desperate and dependent for William’s approval is because she’s terrified of being alone again. Because as Elizabeth we never really see her with anyone else, she’s always alone. And now she’s avoiding isolation like the plague
Makes sense since Baby is programmed to attack when she’s alone with a child and that’s how Elizabeth died. Whether it’s Circus Baby’s perspective or Elizabeth’s, bad things happen when no one else is around.
@@SorowFame plus even as Elizabeth we only ever know her to be around Afton or on her own. No friends to note, not too strong a bond with her siblings, no mother. All she had was William and later his creations, would explain her desperation to be around Baby, she’s got nobody else.
Would also explain why she has a controlling nature and why on occasions like night 4 she can get… abrasive, lack of social skills that didn’t involve her father, a known manipulator, her brothers, a bully and a “crying child”. And now with her seeming personality issue (not being fully sure if she’s still Elizabeth) she basically clings to what she can even if she does so by controlling them.
She’s manipulative, she’s terrifying, but she’s still a little girl
Interesting theory,if Cassie was at the same timeline.She and Elizabeth could have been good friends
@@baisakhimukherjee7524 honestly I hope we see more of both of them. Because Cassie is my favourite protagonist in the franchise and Elizabeth has the potential to be on par with Afton and Mimic as fnaf’s best villains
Shit, Baby would be a really good Frankenstein’s Monster allegory. Someone that, since they were made, has been nothing but abused, and craves attachment, but can only communicate with violence and manipulation because that’s what it knows.
Circus Baby broke when she accidentally got herself reprogrammed from the inside out by an icecream-obsessed British toddler
I've heard theories that the reason why Baby is so aggressive during SL's night 4 is because that's not Baby at all, but Funtime Foxy using voice mimicry. Funtime Foxy was, after all, the one to bring you to that room, which connects directly to Funtime Auditorium - it would be a simpler part of the plan than having Baby there when she could be organizing the killing and hanging of the technicians, something which has to be happening at that moment as they are attempting to leave during that sequence and dead by the next night. It was just something to keep you busy while that was happening, raise the stakes a bit and make it seem like things aren't right so that the absence of Funtime Foxy and Ballora can be a mystery rather than something which might make the building keep their target from entering.
Also, for the Office: Job Interview level, I think its name is important. You're in the depths of the CBE&R facility, so you've already got a job there, and they wouldn't throw you in there to have Baby interview you to see if you're worth hiring anyways. This is _Baby_ interviewing you, and you succeeding at that interview means she thinks you're worth keeping around. That for whatever plan she's cooked up, you'll fit the role she needs.
it could be that baby is mimicing ol' daddy afton. if afton did bring his daughter to work with him she probably did watch him interview someone.
tbh i kinda see the night 4 thing as Baby knowing she has gained Michael's trust (somehow) and then getting aggressive so she later can manipulate Michael if he were to question her or something like that. like it's probably not that deep and it's probably not her abusing Michael to later gaslight him about it, but it would make for a pretty cool part of her motivation and an explanation for her actions if it WAS a thing she did
I thought it was Funtime Freddy who had the voice mimic.
I’d be interested in a game that takes place during the day, just to see the animations of the animatronics like Baby in action. She was so underused in her own game.
Id love a game that shows what happens between sister location and pizzeria sim
@@mouthwaterinthat would be my dream fnaf game
technically we got a shitpost fangame trilogy, but unfortunately one, its a shitpost made while someone was drunk, and two, its a fan game, making it non-canonical (thank god)
My theory on Baby vs Scrap Baby and why they act so *different* is simple: Baby is controlled by her *programming* while Scrap Baby is purely controlled by *Elizabeth.* This would explain Scrap Baby’s loyalty to her father while the original Baby wanted to kill him. Basically what I’m saying is that Baby and Elizabeth are separate entities who just happen to be roommates.
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You know, I always assumed that the reason why Baby doesn't kill us when we take the ice cream is because we are just not a child.
She is programmed to kill kids this way but we are playing an adult here (probably Cassie's Dad). I interpreted her not attacking us this way as an element that was supposed to make you understand you played as an adult.
I always thought it was because we are either an adult or.... she saw a ghost behind us and her programming counted it as another person, which is chilling to think a ghost was looming over us, but not impossible in this franchise
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That makes sense. Her storage compartment is not large enough for most adults.
Baby saying "D U M M Y" is such a teasing sibling move, ngl.
i dont think thats baby saying that. i think its ennard.
@@zarrurer12isn't ennard Ballora? so Ballora is actually saying it?
@@9th_grade_biology_guidelinesThey're ALL Ennard, he's the Funtimes merged together :)
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even if sister location’s gameplay isn’t the greatest, the story is AWESOME. circus baby in sl is such an effective villain- not to mention her voice lines are amazing! i get chills every time i hear her voice
i think making it so that we never have a direct encounter with baby in sl was a good choice tbh- us never actually encountering her makes her seem more threatening, almost like she’s hiding herself from us, or like she’s right behind us, waiting. it further sets her apart from the other animatronics, who the game presents as mindless predators
@@caughtintheundertow This. I honestly think it makes sense for her to specifically do. So I'm glad it was included the way it was.
@@caughtintheundertow The Sauron Effect Effect, as I like to call it, although unlike Sauron, we hear directly from her plenty often, despite never seeing her active in person.
I am going to say it:
IT IS AN ABSOLUTE CRIME WE DIDNT GET A MINIGAME WHERE WE PLAY AS LEFTY TRYING TO CAPTURE THE PUPPET. Would've been such a cool minigame.
Imagine Lefty running behind Puppet yelling "WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?"
*puppet talking like jontron* : Nope! I AIIIIIN'T HAVING THAT!
I never thought they all transformed into Ennard before. When she says “we’ve been out before” I assumed it meant when they were rented out. To me them all becoming Ennard then decommissioned and back into their original animatronics was weird to me.
Things I wanna talk about.
1. In job interview circus baby says that she likes it in the entertainment and rental facility and that it feels safe, but we know that she along with the others wanted to escape.
2. I wonder why we see Funtime Chica in help wanted 2 but not in sister location
3. I kinda wish the Funtime animatronics just left the underground facility as themselves instead of forming to become ennard.
1. It is very odd... Still not sure what it could mean!
2. I think that Scott wanted to go back to the four-character formula of the original Fnaf games so Chica was scrapped in favor of the new female band members, Baby, and Ballora. However, interest in Funtime Chica led to her appearing in Pizzeria Simulator, and the rest is history!
3. Honestly, I agree. You know, I kind of wish Ennard himself was his own thing, because he's really cool but by being the whole band, you get stuck with a four in one deal.
" circus baby says that she likes it in the entertainment and rental facility and that it feels safe, but we know that she along with the others wanted to escape." Makes me think this is the real Baby, that her AI/soul wound up in the Pizzaplex VR network and she finds it safe, safe forever.
Baby did want to escape the facility back then(and did), but everything since has changed her mind and now she's retreated into the network.
At least, that's what I think is going on. HW2 is what made me seriously wonder if CB has returned.
I think that chica was rented out for the week
My theory is that (for 2) Chica was bought/sold sometime after the first show
what if the reason why baby says she likes it there because its a part of the game, make believe. she is saying the opposite of her true intentions
One peculiar detail that may throw a wrench in the works: Baby's stomach fan. Perhaps it was for the ice cream cooler, but I think it was also to ventilate the stomach chamber so a kidnapped child could breathe. And I say "kidnapped" because that was Afton's goal in SL, to kidnap the kids and put them in his experiment dungeon, right? Now here's a critical turn of events: Circus Baby captures Elizabeth by accident, but by that point, Afton has coincidentally disappeared. Elizabeth is then trapped inside Baby while Baby is shipped back to the SL complex, and there she remains stuck inside Baby until she dies of thirst. Afton wasn't around to free her. This prolonged suffering is similar to how the original animatronics become possessed. I believe two factors lead to possession: Prolonged agony while trapped and dying alone, and not getting a proper burial. By the end of SL, Circus Baby may have been "cleaned" by the scooper but by that point it was too late and Elizabeth's soul was now possessing Baby. And with her remains being tossed in the trash or wherever, she wouldn't get a proper burial that could release her soul. (I keep reiterating the burial thing because Scott is a self-proclaimed christian and many christians believe the soul can't rest without proper burial) Take all this with a grain of salt, but I just don't think Baby's stomach claw was intended to kill the victim.
I know Scott said he wanted the books and the games to be separate canon, but that kind of doesn't work when either he (or someone else) keeps shoving references from the books into the games and vice-versa.
Yeah plus some books references the games and experience of what we've done.
So I would say
Both books & games somewhat make a few canon connections, but I wouldn't say 100%
It does it's called just ignoring the books as they aren't canon not hard really. It's everyone else making a big deal out of book lines not the books themselves.
I think it's because FNaF fans, at least a good amount of them, dont know how to let an easter egg be an easter egg@@thek838
I treat it like the canon of Warhammer 40k in GW:
"Everything is canon, not everything is true"
As in everything exists in-universe, but some of it is just stories and propaganda
@sev1120 Honesstly, I do think this is a good way to go.
However, developers should collaborate with the writers for the tie-in media. That way, events stay on track and don't vary too much, and the game devs don't just use the book as an excuse to explain the ending. Expand, yes, but tell the actual story of the game, no.
I find it odd that in hw2, the bidybabs were shoved in Ballora's levels. Have you ever noticed that? As henchmen of baby, it's rather odd that they weren't used in baby's level but instead it's plushbabies again.
Imagine being Michael during the Ennard boss fight. Your trying to stop an amalgamation of the animatronics that you've been dealing with for past few night from entering your office and hold it off until 6am when help will finally arrive, when all of the sudden the voice of your loved one who died or went missing sometime before all this starts talking to you from outside the office, telling you that their still there, everything is ok, and to let them in.
The way I understand the shift in character is that Baby is manipulative but calm and not super theatrical, while specifically Elizabeth is a broken, desperate for attention child who inherited William's bad tendencies while being subservient to him. If they are ever in flux of identity, different attributes and swings in personality could exist even if one or the other is more in control in certain instance.
0:33 When Bonbon isn't enough to kill the guard:
Funtime freddy’s angry face is so funny omg
The fact that Circus Baby is the same height as a Bionicle Toa is wild to me
Thats the thing
Every illusion disk has a kanohi mahiki inside it
ennard : You wake one, you wake them all...
Honestly Help Wanted 2 was just all around a really good game for the Sister Location cast which is really cool and hopefully Steel Wool counties this trend with the upcoming DLC for Help Wanted 2
I mean except for foxy but that’s a conversation for another day
@@CatIguess Man poor Foxy suffered the same fate as Monty but either then Monty still found his way into the game with both many references and his model being something you can unlock and the view in the hub
@@ReeceConnor. right and when he got a voice they immediately took it away from her like that voice that personality was the most interesting thing they had going for them but they took it away and gave him the Funtime auditorium and run down the hall treatment two roles she’s already played so many times before
@@CatIguess Wait Funtime Foxy’s voice was changed holy shit when I don’t remember hearing about that?
@@ReeceConnor. it wasn’t changed they just never brought him back for more
in every video that has any connection to baby or charlie, there is a (very justified) fourth closet baby rant
Yenndo's flexing pose is underrated
STRONK boi!
Damn she really said the truth when she said she's broken and can't be fixed.
5:18
"After William told her he made Baby for her. A bold faced lie."
Sometimes I think to myself, what if he wasn't lying...
That would have very creepy implications, because we know that she was literally designed to capture children and kill them... And I don't think the games ever really did tell us if he was lying or not
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If anyone would know how a daughter thinks and what she'd do, it would be her father.
That would mean that either he never meant for Elizabeth to be a victim or he absolutely wanted her to be the one to possess Baby.
And if he did, then think about for a bit. Not only is William morally bankrupt enough to kill children and commonly puts his employees in extremely dangerous situations, he truly believes possession and having remnant equals genuine immortality. And if he noticed the other animatronics following the puppet (Charlie), he might want to replicate that.
So why not choose a child he'd know for certain would be loyal to him and would do anything to make daddy proud.
@@mill2712 I can see that, but what if it was to protect her as well, not only would Elizabeth be the perfect follower due to her "daddy's girl" loyalty but she would be immortal and practically indestructible. In the storyline of the game, it's implied that her death came after her brother's, the crying child, and he was killed by a cruel prank their older brother caused. maybe William built Baby so it would be a surefire way to get his daughter back, sure he would have to kill her first, but unlike the crying child, her death would only be temporary, like getting your child sick with the chicken pox on purpose, sure your kid will get sick for a while but afterwards, they'll be immune to it and never get chicken pox again. This might be a hint of a similar thought process, sure Elizabeth will die and it will probably be an unpleasant death, but afterwards, she'll be indestructible and unkillable, he'd have his little girl to help his plans and follow orders and he'd never have to worry about something happening to her that would take her away from him.
"Michael can't *possibly* kill another of my kids if I do it first! Hey Elizabeth, you like clowns, right? Okay cool. What? Oh, no reason. Don't worry about it."
He would put charges against a clown robot for killing his golden child tho.
What broke Baby? The Fourth Closet.
The way I took it, she wasn't really "cognizant" until she got Elizabeth. Still did those things cuz she was programmed to but also didn't really have a sense of morality due to being a newborn of sorts/robot. So by the time she understood it was bad/terrible, she probably didn't have any reason to regret or feel remorseful over it. Probably was just like a cat getting scolded over something- they're gonna do it again and they don't care. But she still had to learn to "pretend" to avoid the punishments which she didn't like.
This is a very hot take about Baby but I think the change of the controlling manipulating and cunning Circus Baby to the devoted sad daddy issue's girl Scrap Baby makes sense, or at least to me.
Elizabeth is killed and trapped in a metal body of her killer, later on trapped underground and treated horribly, she finally had control she had control of the Funtime gang (Ennard) but then was kicked out, abandoned and left to rot with no one with her, all alone. Elizabeth and Circus baby already had a horrible life and now they're on the streets with no one, she's completely alone and no one wants her. Working with her father was a way to be wanted by someone to not be alone even though Baby hated him she had no one else.
And her going even more crazy and losing her manipulating persona to straight up psycho killer could have been her breaking down. Think about her kinda like Azula from ATLA (I'm hoping you watched that cartoon if you haven't she's just evil sister girl with fire powers and devoted to her father) Azula was basically used by her evil father, had no friends anymore and had no one, she then lost it had hallucinations of her missing mother, had eye bags cut her own bangs, had the whole joker looking lipstick and was ended up screaming and crying on the floor. This seems to be the same case with Elizabeth/Baby, she lost it she lost herself and her obvious killer nature is her not caring to keep the nice facade.
She also wants to be wanted because again she has no one, her being this crazy blood thirsty was for her father she's trying to prove herself.
Also Elizabeth could have a form of Stockholm syndrome to not only her father and Baby, Elizabeth chose to keep the Baby appearance even though she could have made any appearance with scraps yet she chose her killer as her appearance. Same for William she could have Stockholm syndrome with her dad, and the fact that William is highly manipulative and Elizabeth could think that her dad knows best, he was the one that told her to not get close to Baby, she disobeyed and now she's being punished, and to not be punished or hurt anymore she needs to listen to her dad, father knows best.
So her sanity going down and becoming a daddy's girl makes sense in a psychological way, how ever it would have been better if we saw the actual transformation of her losing it, instead of a complete 180.
It's worth noting that the Funtimes' plan was ultimately a failure due to two reasons.
1: They failed to get William like they wanted and, instead, scooped Michael, someone completely innocent of William's wrongdoings. This means they scooped an innocent person by mistake, not the tormentor they sought.
2: Michael's body ultimately degraded to the point of being useless for their purpose: hiding amidst the human population. Which eventually forced them to abandon it. This means that they had not scooped their intended target and couldn't even use him for very long.
It wouldn't surprise me that these contributed heavily to Lizzy's mental state. The plan was a failure, and she had hurt her own brother for nothing. That must have sucked for her when she realized that. As that left her with no one. Her mother and her brothers (Michael and CC) were gone. The other Funtimes had tossed her to the side. The only one she had left was her father, whose warning about not going near Baby turned out to be true. As that one moment of disobedience cost her everything. And combined with the issues I pointed out above, I can believe that Elizabeth was willing to become Daddy's little henchman if it was written a little better (like an in-between night mini-game showing us how William found Lizzy).
Yes, Amanda from the Saw series is a great example of what you are referring to here. Victim to Heir Apparent, although her games are shames and unwinnable,😉
Additionally we don't know if any of our interactions with Baby in SL were with Baby or just ennard; Nights 1-3 mave have been maneuvering the other workers and bots into position to kill and assimilate.
And in 6 we should also consider the fact that Baby never got to grow up she'll remain a child forever and with daddy being so close and within earshot you know the kids are bound to at least pretend to be the obedient and dutiful daughter daddy's has always wanted.
I think the op here's issues with Baby lie in the fact she's read the Fourth Closet. Or Elizabeth never Poke Evolved up the age tiers into adulthood nor mainlined as the primary antagonist, the sudden break in Babys character wasn't between SL and 6, but rather the ops head canon and 6.
The problem with baby after sister location is that they couldn’t have her being manipulative because we know she is and Michael did too, but the change in her personality is just not her. It could have easily just been her continuing to manipulate you in smaller ways as to still have a hold on you or her controlling things behind the scenes but they did so many things that she would never have done and, now there is a lot of people who just think about her as she acts in pizzeria simulator. I would know I was one of them until I found this channel and now I can say that *circus* baby is one of my favourite fnaf characters but only circus baby.
She could have even manipulated henry or even possibly William but no she goes from the one playing chess to a pawn and nothing more
the clarification that its only circus baby is hilarious, i love it. yeah she's a great character worth loving shame her incarnations or whatever those are got the short end of an awful pile
@@Sunshoop don’t get me wrong I would love scrap baby but that personality is not baby
@@EvangelicaVT same. It's sad she got the short stick then got tossed aside. Didn't get much like circus baby
Well it’s possible that meeting William may have caused more of Elizabeth to surface or maybe they one they ejected wasn’t Circus Baby but rather Elizabeth or maybe she decided to play the naive and obedient daughter in order to trick William there are potential explanations for her change in behaviour
Is it just me, or does circus baby deserve a big hug? Btw me too, one of my favorites. Along with lefty, Springtrap, Charlie, the puppet, and Freddy
Um i don't think the serial killer needs one-
@@StephDilimia think about it. he lost his son, and his daughter, plus his business. the pain and grief could drive practically anyone to do something as horrible as what william did.
@@SoRA.the.menac3 He abused his daughter, seemingly tortures his 2 other children AND ruins his OWN company by murdering. Everything that's happened to him is his own doing.
I hope we can see more of that "pretent" Baby in the future.
The voice actress of Baby did such a good job about her voice.
Circus Baby is Circus Baby, containing Elizabeth soul, likely a mix between, showing the childness derivated from Elizabeth, but mostly a programmed manipulative kidnapping machine. Elizabeth's soul gives Circus Baby depth and uniqueness, and her soul is the one thing that makes Circus Baby breaks once in a while. Maybe Circus Baby is the manipulative ,pacing one, and Elizabeth's soul might have impaired some agony, which justifies the relentless breakdown at night 4.
Circus baby becomes Ennard with the FunTimes ,which seemly suppress Elizabeth's soul from manifesting. It's said they've been Ennard before,so it's very likely Elizabeth's soul was split between all of them - that's why Elizabeth's soul barely appears on Circus Baby alone. It also implies they might be relentless because they're also inflicted with agony, and very little to nothing of Elizabeth's soul herself.
After they became Ennard and kept together for a unknown time, Elizabeth's soul pieces were at one place. She is the one who gets separated from the others. Elizabeth's soul is treated like a virus and expelled. Her agony tho, is what keeps moving forward Molten Freddy - unrelentless, unable to think and plan properly.
So, Scrap Baby is what the name says: The scraps. The parts contaminated by Elizabeth's soul, that were tossed out. She's fully on daddy girl's mode because she's now free of Circus Baby's programming ,which was what made her cunning and feign innocence, all while using some of a veridic child's demeanor from Elizabeth's soul.
One reason for the possible change in personality is that she knows Michael isn't going to fall for her lies again. So it's better to just be direct. While she's good at playing pretend, she's not going to fool Michael after wearing her brother as a skin suit. Also she got what she wanted: she's out of the Rental Place. Michael is completely unnecessary and even a possible detriment to her plans. Also her comments on "You won't die." imply that she knew all along about her father's immortality, and she did actually want to be reunited with Afton.
Another might be the trauma of her getting kicked out of Ennard. Imagine if you will: you and your friends have been unjustly trapped in prison for 30 years and are subjected to electroshock therapy for each and every day. You don't do what the warden says: you get punished with a shock. If you comply with their orders, your reward is another shock. Then you hatch a plan to escape, get your friends to go along with your plan, which one way or another goes off without a hitch. {Let's be real: Michael probably got scooped in the "good" ending too.} Then, after saving yourself and your friends from torture, they don't want to follow you anymore. Even if you literally saved them from their torment. They kick you out and leave you alone in a dumpster, hurt, betrayed and alone.
Finally, possibly in addition to these traumatic experiences you find that daddy's old business is open again, daddy is inside and you break in to find your brother and your dad in the same building. Elisabeth, having been mentally broken beyond recovery comes to the conclusion that her dad built this new Freddy’s for her and he's giving her a chance to correct her previous mistake of not listening to him. Causing her to over-correct and go totally off the rails.
It's not 100% confirmed but that's what I personally think happened. In short: we don't know how much time passed between Sister Location and Pizzeria Simulator. So this could be a very plausible explanation for her personality shift. Her mind has broken utterly after being kicked out of Ennard and she's having a meltdown like Britney Spears when she shaved her head.
Game baby: will gaslight you into her trap.
TSEBook baby: is very aggressive and probably will pour gas on you to set you on fire.
Bad writing can and WILL ruin good characters and the Media that they are attached to. When bad writers are gotten rid of, the characters and their Media can not only restored but made better. That's what happened to Baby from Sister Location to HW2. As for an in universe explanation for her behavior, Elizabeth Afton is the most like William Afton, which makes sense because she was The Golden Child in his eyes. Plus, I like the idea that Sire Squawks' Game Charlie vs Game Elizabeth's video that after the other Funtimes gave her the Boot, she latched onto when she felt at her best, her most loved when she was Circus Baby, hence her becoming Scrap Baby and her Daddy's weapon. And like with Charlie/The Puppet, I believe and won't be pushed away from the idea that Elizabeth/Baby was Freed during the FNAF 6 Fire. I keep that idea for Charlie because I don't want her to suffer anymore. Elizabeth gets the idea because she became a rabid animal that needed to be Put Down for her own sake and the sake of the public. She was too far gone but since she was one of William's victims at the end of the day, she didn't deserve to go to UCN and The Darkest Pit of Hell. She just needed to be stopped. I hope that Baby keeps the writers she got in HW2 or gets turned over to more competent people because it'd be a damned dirty shame if things went backwards!
I like to think that when Scrap Baby says “I will make you proud daddy” she’s mocking Michael for still doing what his father told him even when that got him killed. Probably not canon, but I like to imagine this was her intention.
I stopped my Math hw for this video
Cool!
I stopped my science lol
3:34 “masking any other smells” that’d be a good idea for William to implement a scent-dispelling device in baby to mask the rotting smell of her victim, and not raise suspicion
A hot take: maybe afton wanted elizabeth to be killed, come on, what would you expect from a kid after saying to not go to that thing and later be scooped?
For a man who believes being killed painfully and a forced possession is genuine immortality. Along with getting involved with remnant and trying to replicate the puppet and how the other animatronics follow it.
It makes you wonder if he wanted the same thing but with a more loyal child. He did say he made Circus Baby just for Elizabeth...
New NotRealName video? About Circus Baby? Oh, yes please
Baby reminds me of the Mimic. The way she mimics other people and their teeth look so similar
2 mins ago, wow
Fun fact!
In FNaF AR Baby's mechanics involve her pretending as well, as she can sometimes make the charging sound, making players look up to shock her but then actually haywire instead, killing any players who were fooled by her. essentially, she pretends to charge at you, so that you look up to shock her while she's vulnerable, but tricks you by haywiring instead, and since you are now looking up, likely at her face, she kills you.
Steel Wool and Scott have mentioned wanting to make a carnival game, and a lot of ppl have theorized (me included) it will be based on the fall festival. with as far back as the festival goes its unlike we'll see our circus baby, but maybe we'll see a prototype or some old version of circus baby. that would be cool!
perhaps the suit in the movie or something similar? looked alot to i think a lot of people like an older version of circus baby, its an exciting idea!
While yours is a completely valid interpretation of night 4, I took something very different from it. My interpretation was that, after saving your life, she hid you in a suit in the scooping room to allow you to learn more about how horrific her current situation is. To show you the reality of their existence down here. She sounds bitter, but not threatening to me. I think it's actually a ploy to garner more sympathy.
I had a thought that could possibly explain the personality shift with baby and scrap baby. Perhaps when Baby split from Ennard it wasn't actually Baby that was split, what if they instead split off Elizabeth? Thus the reason they seem like different character would be because they are in fact different characters. Scrap baby being Elizabeth's spirit that was discarded from Ennard while Baby herself remained part of the Ennard collective.
35:56 with the way that it's rumored that the Minireenas could be hiding in packs inside of Ballora's body, can you imagine if, somehow, there were dozens of smaller Bidybabs packed inside of Baby's body...
Ok but what if the weird character changes were some kind of act to confuse people? Maybe she was trying to fool Scraptrap and trying to scare both Mike in Sister Location and the person we play as in FNAF AR. And of course, sparing the Help Wanted 2 protagonist (Cassie's dad) to confuse him perhaps. Maybe the character isn't broken, she's just purposefully confusing to fool people.
Nah, I'd cope. It was just bad writing. Just like how Vanny (another Afton minion) also had bad writing
12:55 I've had a theory for a while that sometimes when we hear Baby it's actually Ennard talking. I think it's Ennard with Baby's voice talking to us at the very end in the scooping room, because we are told the animatronics can replicate voices.
I've also speculated what if we never actually talked to Baby at all? We never see her activated really. But I'm not really a deep lore keeper for FNAF I just like the idea. It probably wouldn't hold up.
Course she's broken. Got scooped then cobbled herself back together before getting char broiled. Jokes aside, I think Baby had the misfortune of being a bit if a plot device first and character second
Circus Baby is the best yet most abused(not lore wise) character in the franchise. Change my mind.
Chipper is the best character ngl
@Wizardjones69 nah it’s shamrock freddy
I'd need to brush up again on Sister Location to be fully confident, but my takeaway with Night 4 is that Baby recognizes 'William' sometime in Night 3/before Michael wakes up in Night 4. Before then, she's just trying to gain the trust of a random technician that seems agreeable enough to be of use.
And then she sees him, her creator that engineered her daily torture. She starts becoming more threatening because she's livid, and if she can't kill him yet, she's going to enjoy watching him try to not squirm in the suit. She never quite realizes that Eggs Benedict is Michael, but she may have realized anytime before Night 5 starts that Eggs is searching for something; he's going to keep coming back.
So when he DOES come back in Night 5, she tries to rein her resentment in and cash in on the earlier sympathy she'd garnered. Which, to be fair, works...because Michael isn't going to abandon his sister now that he's found her. It's because he ISN'T William that this works.
Ah The Fourth Closet ! Truly the most... FNaF media ever. If FFPS was a disappointing downgrade for Baby's character, The Fourth Closet is like an assassination of what WAS Baby in SL. Once again HW2 is not only a great game for its diversed and fun gameplay, but also a great game for how it treated its character. It treated them as ACTUAL characters instead of plain robot with a facade of a personality serving a purpose, a simple role.
I love watching people play help wanted and cautiously taking the ice cream
(0:33) I find it cursed.
I can see why ngl
5:04 When you pointed out how Baby’s behavior didn’t entirely spawn from her programming, I was worried that you would blame Elizabeth for making Baby the way she is, much like how some people like to paint Elizabeth as the bad guy when really, she couldn’t control Baby like the MCI kids controlled the FNaF 1 crew.
In fact, the Fourth Closet makes it clear that Elizabeth’s memories and emotions are the only thing that are influencing Baby, and that she herself is not controlling Baby.
I’m glad you brought up how Baby refers to Elizabeth as a separate character. Sometimes people think Elizabeth and Baby are one and the same, and while Elizabeth is possessing Baby, she’s not the manipulative and cruel person people paint her as. You can argue that both are one and the same, but I think it’s more likely that 1. Her emotions and memories are influencing Baby. Or 2. Elizabeth is actually in control of Baby, but the more time she spends as Baby, the more she starts to lose herself until the AI itself replaces her entirely. Both of which are still tragic ideas to consider.
And honestly, the idea of possessing an animatronic while not being able to control it at all is genuinely terrifying and tragic. It’s one thing to be killed and stuffed inside a suit and then being able to haunt it, but not being able to do anything as your memories and emotions start to influence the animatronic to the point of gaining sentience is a whole new level of sorrow and pain, especially for a child who’s been neglected and who only wanted her father’s love (despite people calling her spoiled for some reason).
This has made me appreciate Elizabeth and Circus Baby a lot more, and I find it very interesting that Scott chose to go with this new take on animatronic possession that ultimately gave us an intimidating yet tragic villain, and a new kid whose motives and intentions were ultimately misunderstood by the fandom.
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Note: I also think Baby is a victim of Afton. I know I said all of this with the idea of Baby being the real antagonist, but I forgot that Baby was also mistreated and tortured by Afton even before she got possessed by Elizabeth. So really, both Elizabeth and Baby are victims of Afton.
I hope I didn’t paint Baby as purely antagonistic when really, all I wanted to do was differentiate Elizabeth from Baby.
As for the idea of Circus Baby and Elizabeth being one and the same (as in, much like Charlie possesses Puppet), I think that would have been really interesting. But also, I find it difficult to imagine Elizabeth acting as a cold and manipulative person when really, all she wanted was her father’s love. I could see how Elizabeth would want to get revenge on William, and honestly, I think much like the MCI kids is upset at William for killing them, she’s allowed to be upset at William’s continued negligence of her (forcing her to perform as an animatronic, shocking her, keeping her locked in a bunker).
But again, while you see these kids trying to kill security guards in the name of revenge, you never see them trying to manipulate others. That’s why I always find it odd that Elizabeth would be the one to act manipulative. That’s just not what a child would do, even when she’s actively being tortured as an animatronic (heck, it wouldn’t be impossible if she learned to pretend just so that she could avoid being tortured, after all, kids can be really intelligent).
And here’s the thing, even if a child were to actually be manipulative in nature, I don’t think that’s a reason for people to call that child out as a monster and a villain. Is it bad to be manipulative? Yes, but more than likely, the child probably doesn’t know that. Heck, Baby didn’t even realize Michael was not William. For all we know, Baby/Elizabeth probably didn’t want to hurt Michael, and they just wanted to hurt William as revenge. So really, are you going to be upset at her for accidentally killing her brother when their father had done much worse?
It’s like calling Puppet/Charlie an absolute monster for wanting to attack a guard just because they think they are William. And heck, even if the kids had a strong distaste for adults, it’s most likely because they generalized it from their encounter with Afton, and not necessarily because they are jerks by nature. You could say Elizabeth’s bad experiences influenced her to want to get back at anyone who tortured her, and her manipulation was most likely a result of her learning that from William or something, Idk.
Unfortunately, people will always like to demonize kids and women for being flawed rather than calling out the serial killer who’s arguably much worse than everyone else.
Idk, I’m just sharing my thoughts on the matter.
It really doesn't make sense for her to be spoiled, since she is a little girl and when she insists William go with circus baby she doesn't throw tantrums in fact she acts calm or maybe scared, but it seems that her obsession with circus baby is in the game as in the book and that was created because of his father
21:48 iirc the biggest change to baby aftet sl is that the chip thing we took out of the baby "suit"
We put it into the hand unit and it is never brought up again so it could have something to do with baby's behavior seeing as it was locked behind a passcode but until brought up again we wont know
The thing is, Baby is still referring to Elizabeth as 'her' after that and acting the same. There could've been a delayed reaction, but if that's the case, it still happened off-screen.
Scott should've Atleast changed the design to fit Elizabeth more so we knew they weren't the same
Night 4 baby is always such a weird plot beat for me. Even ignoring the massive flip flop in terms of personality it also involves the 7 foot tall 600 pound clown somehow sneakily prying us away from funtime foxy, stuffing us into a springlock suit, and all without being seen on the cameras. Its to the point that I wonder if it was funtime foxy talking to us using that voice recording and splicing thingy in their blue prints (but that opens a whole nother can of worms considering that we never ever see her and only hear her). Its just the moment for me that broke my interest in her even before she got stuck being Peepaw’s minion
I feel like baby did the spring lock suit thing to check micheals size, like to see if they'd be able to fit inside well enough. But it could be something like "I have all the power here, I haven't hurt you yet even though I easily can so you can trust me" type deal
My head-canon for “Pizzeria Simulator” is that ScrapBaby was just pretending and was actually planning to slice William Afton up with her claw, the same claw he designed that got her killed.
But she never got that chance because Henry decided he wanted to become an arsonist before she could manipulate William into giving her answers as to what was going on (thinking he was behind the pizzeria).
As for Baby disassociating herself from Elizabeth. It could be a Darth Vader sort of thing where they try and distance themselves from their past lives due to the pain or trauma it causes.
Baby’s monologue about pretending during, Night 4 was it? Would make more sense if we view this as Elizabeth confronting who she believes to be her father, forced inside a spring lock suit similar to what she was put into and killed in. She’s still a child and probably out of smugness at seeing this acted up.
This paints Elizabeth/Baby as a manipulative, calculating if occasionally overcome with smugness and pettiness, self-serving, and willing to do anything to survive and be free.
This would make Baby more of an antihero type character, one that leans more towards villainy due to her homicidal nature and willingness to murder.
“Help Wanted 2” would be a pretty good ending for the character, if it was indeed the actual Elizabeth Afton, and not a AI recreation.
12:44 I actually found this video talking about how this does Ballora so dirty. They suggested a rewrite of the scenario where Balloran kidnapped Michal, and then Baby would "save us" to make us trust her more. Then, we be given a choice to either follow her to the scooping room or run and escape into the scicurity room. It would it easier to get to it, at least. I forgot who made the video, so if you want to watch it, then search up "why Ballora is my favorite character." You should find it.
I think baby broke character on night 4 because she had you right where she wanted so you'd suffer the most painful death possible, so caught up with revenge that she forgot all about escape, and there'll always be another unfortunate schmuck who walks in only to get bamboozled, organ harvested, and then worn.
I'm pretty sure that in every playthrough I saw of HW2, everyone was too afraid to take the icecream the first time.
sorry for spamming recently, I just hope you see this probably most hot take :)
HOT TAKE - *The main Scot FNAF games should have ended at 4*
Personally, the first 3 games were a pace perfect suspenseful story, FNAF 1 excellently establishes the atmosphere and mystery, FNAF 2 brilliantly sets up Afton and the horrors he committed, and FNAF 3 perfectly ends the story with the karma burning of William Afton, and long overdue justice for the victims (or adds another victim to the tragic Afton pizzeria murders)
But the later games ruined and overcomplicated the original perfect trilogy. FNAF 4 added the confusing bite of 83 and the box (still unsolved 9 years later), SL was fine on its own but out of place in the timeline, and Pizza Sim was the most underwhelming finale, suddenly introducing new undeveloped characters, and added more questions than answers.
Springtrap should have perished in FNAF 3, and FNAF 4 should've been the "Afton gets to enjoy hell" game instead of UCN (Could include more direct references to the bite of 87 among other horrible crimes Afton did). SL could be after FNAF 2, showing the origins of Micheal and his efforts of chasing down his murderous father (at the end, include a connection with 2 of being Fritz Smith). Then if the series wanted to continue beyond that I think HW and SB should have been the "Vanny is the next William Afton" WITHOUT THE DUMB GLITCHTRAP AND BURNTRAP THING.
At the end of the day, the main story and lore were dragged out far too much for far too long. Stretching itself out far more than it feels like it was ever designed to do.
fnaf 4 is a pretty bad ending for the toy chica tiny beak mystery
Circus Baby is taller than Shaq. Only by an inch, but still. That's all I came here to say, enjoy thinking about that :)
29:30 Yeah this is something I’ve noticed and think is kind of silly (well sexualising any fnaf character is pretty silly tbh), she’s probably one of the goofier looking animatronics, as well as the many child-like aspects of her very design (her name is literally baby…).
Like, just say you wanna be emotionally manipulated by a mean, uncaring woman and move on :3, that’s more normal (I think) and better than saying you’re attracted to the toddler clown…
I respect your opinion but I personally believe that the nice and kind side is Baby and the manipulative side is Elizabeth Afton.
Hi!! Gods poorest little meow meow and biggest Baby fan here and ready to be wowed!!
unsure of how popular this opinion is, but i’m really not a huge fan of the plushbabies. i really liked the bidybabs in sl, and using the plushies sort of feels like a downgrade
I'm not sure, but I'm not a big fan of them either. XD
In the books it's stated that Circus Baby's baby form is created using rods all over her body in combination with the illusion disc. So essentially the version of baby we saw in Sister Location was just Michael tripping on the sweet drug called Soundwaves!!!
Ain't no way--
No... not the illusion discs, please Matpat please stop it
Circus Baby is 7'2. Charizard from Pokémon is 5'7. Circus Baby is canonically taller than a Charizard.
Hahaha I was on of the first to click on the video. My life is finally complete
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I swear it was established that the change in character for baby was bc in sister location it was the programming of baby that was fully in control becoming self aware after having the soul of Elizabeth inside her but after she got separated from ennard and became scrap baby the soul of Elizabeth took full control on the animatronic. Just like how the puppet says in UCN she’s very self aware now while the others are like animals. So during pizza sim that was when Elizabeth because fully aware.
No, that's a popular theory but it wasn't said anywhere. It was just Sister Location to Pizzeria Simulator.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 ooo okay thank you
Baby definitely felt better in this game
Fourth closet baby/Charlie is literally a kid of divorced parents who are fighting over custody with how many times she was taken by Henry from William and William from henry
Update: got the salt packets
15:48 "the mask origins are a mystery" *looks at Ennard mask in main office of SL that disappears on the night Ennard is out and about* .....k
MTN DEW Baja Blast > Remnant, prove me wrong
No no, please DO keep the salt about the books i feel vendicated and like im not the only one lmao
Is it possible that Scrap baby is some sort of decoy circus baby built by Circus baby or someone else, think about it?
Circus baby is at first portrayed as a master manipulator and we never really truly see her in SL. Instead of suddenly becoming Williams puppet in FNAF 6, wouldn't it make more sense that she would make a scrap version of herself that could trick William.
We know William is egotistical to a fault and may not bat an eye to scrap baby if she pretends to be subservient.
She does say the most important thing you can learn to do is pretend
I don't know if that's just me wishing she was secretly smarter than the game let's on, or an actual point Scott intended.
Also love your videos
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It would be very funny if Scrap Baby and Circus Baby were not just two completely different animatronics but also had different spirits.
One is Elizabeth, while the other, well, Abby, or whatever the game counterpart of her character would be.
If this was the case, it's actually possible that Circus Baby's rebuilt body could be something akin to the old endoskeleton seen in RUIN, who actually shares personality traits with the SL Circus Baby.
Now, that'd be a twist.
Perhaps it's why, after the apparent first debut of this endo character, that the very next game places a large emphasis on Circus Baby.
Who knows. Since Circus Baby and Scrap Baby have been compared to death by now, it'd be nice to see a video comparison for Circus Baby and Grimick.
I like baby toddling and waddling. its so deceptively adorable that its amazing
I feel like a FNAF game in the daytime would do some good change. Maybe to be a mechanic/janitor in the morning, and in the nighttime you would be the security guard.
Pizzeria simulator is actually in the day.
@@Bredman_real It is? With the interview of the Scrap animatronics and the footage segments, I thought that it was at least at dusk.
@@skyenight-by8yh I think it's at the vent parts
Pie
mations!
Oh boy, what flavor?
Butterscotch cinnamon
Chicken
Im gonna be honest, when I first encountered Baby in the office section, I started crying and cowering on the floor because of her size :"D
When I say I have been waiting for this video! I love hearing you talk about circus babies portrayals because I feel like so much of fnafs writing issues are overlooked by the community in favor of lore, so hearing you talk about it is a breath of fresh air
Thank you! ^_^
Funtime Freddy angy face
I have a question about Baby. Does she also dispose of the corpses somehow? I mean William never seemed to notice Elizabeth was gone till he saw the shift in Babys eyes. You would think he would have found Elizabeth when servicing Baby right?
William likely did find Elizabeth as the Scooper was made to gut animatronics and retrieve the bodies. Though knowing Will, he might've not cared all that much.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Makes sense. Its possible the Scooper itself may have delt the killing blow to Elizabeth while simply removing Babys Endo for Remnant processing and maintenance. William may have just seen corpse residue and not put the pieces together till Baby changed due to possession. Makes sense to me that this is why Baby would want so eagerly for William to be scooped as well.
I honestly think that Baby thought in night 4, “Oh, the minireenas are gonna k_ll him, I might as well drop the act.” But in lore, Micheal survived it, so, in night 5 she had to quickly bring back her “nice” facade, to trick Micheal
But that would imply that Baby's plan was for Michael to be killed and, considering the plan, that wouldn't make much sense.
Love you're videos, they're just so... real! 😂