I just bought another brand new vintage Novarossi Mugen Seiki MT12 off Ebay while rebuilding my first MT12 from around 2001. I have to say their compression is mad. I broke mine in with 8 tanks then never changed the needles after break in. Back then I didnt know how to tune unlike today. Still that motor was extremely powerful and ran great without ever tuning the carb. Btw their slide carb is as good as an OS.
But there shouldn’t be, you spend that money they should produce a good product. If they can’t then they shouldn’t be doing it. It’s up to them to clean the metal out. Different with cheap Chinese engines though.
@@HaggardRC I get it man I agree I just spent over 500 for my motorcycle tires and they have some defects I’m not to happy about and they’re really top of the line Michelins it’s not right
Oh yeah, I suffer from the same thing, I always hear people around me when I listen to music or working on an engine, crazy but I got used to it haha :D
I get it when I’m in the car playing music and I keep thinking I can hear a fault in the car but when I turn music off it’s all ok 😂 so yes If your anything like me your barking Mad! Pleased for you getting that lovely engine together man look forward to you having it all ready and running it. Man it will be sweetness!!!
I have 2 vintage Sportwerks Mayhem Nitro buggies. They came with .26 engines. I put .28 engines on them. I bought them new in 2001. I am now converting 1 of them to a brushless and I'm going to keep the other Nitro. Time for a new engine.
Lookn’ Good Haggard ‼️ - Myself and many others are hoping NOVA will release their 2.11cc (.12) Race engine soon I hope you don’t mind a comment or two. All that may have been needed is to heat up the block to loosen up the piston from the pinch. Since the pinch is new, from time-to-time (engine dependent) you can have a piston seize up during break-in. Pre heating new engines becomes important. A little bit of after run helps too (in between heat cycles) - Flywheel at TDC topic: Though there seems to be a good amount of movement on the flywheel (like you shown), most of that is normal. The piston is in the pinch and what you “see” is the clearance in the rod to the crank journal. To your point on disassembling a new engine. Yep, we all agree that engines should come to us without issues. Unfortunately, all manufacturing has issues and “zero defects” during the process a goal but, not a reality. - The only real way to prove an initial manufacture defect and/or quality issue, is to take it apart and inspect it. - Unfortunately, once you run the engine, there is no way to find small metal burs/scraps, scratches on complements, etc. Plus, there is no real way to prove the failure was from the manufacture once it has been ran. All that being said, we all hope the manufacture steps up and takes care of any issues but, not all are like that. I agree, no one has to or should have to tear it down but, it is a good practice. If nothing is wrong, then you simply put it back together (no big deal). The other benefit of tearing it down, is simply to become familiar with the engine and its components. These engines are fascinating and it would give you a chance to see how it all goes together. 😄 I enjoyed your vid and I hope you don’t mind me commenting on a few points 🩷 Keep up the good work on keeping the Hobby and Nitro alive
You will get it mate. It is all part of break in. Nitros at times can be erratic and crazy stuff at times breaking it in . Wooo you got this. Tell them Haggard yes sir. Great video mate 😊💯👍💥👊🏻
I know its probably a much bigger engine and more expensive than a little .18 I had from new but that little .18 locked up after running it for the first time and I couldnt pull the pull start even though I used an engine heater on it for about 10 mins, once it had cooled it started to move but it felt lumpy like the flywheel would turn so far and then the piston would lock again, so I started loosining the plug so I could turn it over with the pullstart for the first few starts and retightening the plug once running and now it seems to be ok. maybe letting the engine just idle without reving it gets it get a bit to warm in the sleeve? Im also concerned that the long hose pipe wasnt letting the engine breathe sufficiently maybe causing back pressure and overheating.
Had alot of trouble breaking in my Nova B3 due to the same issue. Even heated up with a heater blanket it got stuck. Had to use a screw driver and push the flywheel to get it loose. I had to rise the idle to keep it from flaming out and it took me roughly 8 tanks to get it fully broken in. Even after that the compression is still mental and it can get stuck if its cold.
Yeah mate I hear people calling out my name, loud bangs, vehicles pulling up the driveway etc.. when I have music up or a loud atmosphere. I think it might be a natural survival instinct to keep us alert, either that or schizophrenia 🤣 I was an alcohol dependent for over 10 years and got a bit of alcoholic brain damage, alcoholic psychosis. Been sober 5 years now and I'm not hearing voices as much 🤣
@@HaggardRCNick he's faking it to make it. We all know on a new engine you suppose to monitor temp's right pinch and New engine needs to be hot to expand so it don't get stuck.stick to your RTR engines not race engine.youre a fish out of water. 😂😂 I had too old Hag is lost 😂😂😂
I know you think it was hot enough but as you admit to not knowing for sure what the temp was it seems it just cooled and got stuck in the pinch I’ve had engines do this up to a gallon of fuel run through them I think because the pinch is just so tight so when the engine is at operating temp it is still tight Adding heat to the engine almost always lets the piston free in the sleeve and is much safer than hammering the con rod if heat doesn’t work then there is definitely a bigger problem Thanks for the video it seems it has taken a while for people to make content on these engines they are wicked fast and powerful when running right
I would suggest putting it back together Heat it too 200° then fire it up and keep the engine about 180-200 during break in I've had to break out the heat gun while it's running to keep the temperature up during break in due to high rich conditions
hello obviously it's not nice when a new engine tightens or the temperature rises too much and the cylinder expands blocking the piston, this phenomenon is accentuated by the friction of the new components and generates premature wear of the connecting rod bushing which manifests itself in that annoying click when the piston is at TDC, I recommend the mixture for running in, shims on the head of at least 0.4 to lower the compression and monitor the temperature.. ciao bello
You will be surprised how much swarf there is in a brand new unrun engine, not just sport engine manufactureres. Im talking top of the line race engine manufactureres from Italy & Japan, it only takes a tiny piece of swarf going up between the piston & liner to put nasty scores in the piston & liner.
Noticed from new my Ke21sp engine had the little notch at tdc you’ve said about. It’s had 10 litre’s of nitro through it now without any issues I just assumed the notch is normal.
How warm is the motor, without a blanket on it? Are you temping it on run in? Or is it 90° on the table. We use heater blankets on. Im no nitro expert however ive been learning from the best around. The father of a top 20 driver at silverstate. And they all prefer no ebis breakin. But use heater blankets on not checking temp but cooking while run in Ive seen a few novas recently, one snap a crankshaft and NZ importers was strippin new motors for warranty parts. But i love ya videos, while avoiding my own rc repairs
Yeah, me and my mate broke in a engine. And we tried the water bucket and hose to make it silent. Could not keep it running. We was showing me how to do it properly. But he must of watched to many UA-cam videos. Kyle McBride was running a nova b5r at the Asian buggy championship. He only managed 6 min 50 tanks. It's a real thirsty engine
Thats strange with the compression because with my Reds i also can barely turn it over. Honestly I would have sent the engine back because that is really a lack of “quality”. 😢
You have an email ect for me to send the hpi f3. 5 en3i have all the oarts i checked but it will need the tiny spring that goes on the conrod for the starter shaft like 2 or 1 pound oart
@@mcnitro874 Haha I was only joking, you Know how it is one kid pulling my arm one way the other the other way and the Mrs pulling my feet 😂 not enough time in the day lol. You know time flies, October 2007 I started making UA-cam videos…. 16 years ago!
i really dont agrre with no air flow over a engine when running for over a minute say. i started in the hobby with aircraft all bench in,all with props on.
If this is a new engine send it back!!! If it's to tight or stuck half way the sleeve tolerances on that piston and sleeve are not good. Don't run it !! Way to much stress on the engine . Don't accept this. Send it back.
this is why i use a head warmer and monitor temps so i know its hot enough and not too hot or cold and not try to kill a brand new engine you were lucky or that could of been a £130 repair on top of your new engine
@rc_racing_uk Well they watched the video, but I do actually disagree because it wasn’t the crank what was stuck, it was the piston. So by pushing the piston down there wouldn’t have been any pressure on the big end. I made sure of that before I did it. They watch my videos, we have chats about my videos sometimes over the phone. They’re also subscribed to My channel. If you send me a PM Rich I’ll be more than happy I explain the whole story with this engine. Maybe then you’ll change your judgment. 🤘🏻
It’s a shame these novas seem to have so many gremlins they look amazing but seem to carry similar issues everytime you see one I stick to the os and os based engines I have way more fun when things are going right
@@HaggardRC you don't suppose to use sand paper on the piston before installing it Hagster can't believe I've been watching you for 4yrs now and haven't learned anything 😂😂
Haggard you legend good content bro shoutout to you from holland 🇱🇺 btw i am going to get the ftx banzai hing chamg chong nitro this summer , can you push some more ftx content i mean its the cheapest nitro isnt it?
I just bought another brand new vintage Novarossi Mugen Seiki MT12 off Ebay while rebuilding my first MT12 from around 2001. I have to say their compression is mad. I broke mine in with 8 tanks then never changed the needles after break in. Back then I didnt know how to tune unlike today. Still that motor was extremely powerful and ran great without ever tuning the carb. Btw their slide carb is as good as an OS.
Sometimes they’re full of metal shavings from factory I like to take them apart and clean them
yes was just about to comment that thank you sir
But there shouldn’t be, you spend that money they should produce a good product. If they can’t then they shouldn’t be doing it. It’s up to them to clean the metal out. Different with cheap Chinese engines though.
@@HaggardRC I get it man I agree I just spent over 500 for my motorcycle tires and they have some defects I’m not to happy about and they’re really top of the line Michelins it’s not right
That hose will create back pressure
@@johndean5320 what hose?
Oh yeah, I suffer from the same thing, I always hear people around me when I listen to music or working on an engine, crazy but I got used to it haha :D
I get it when I’m in the car playing music and I keep thinking I can hear a fault in the car but when I turn music off it’s all ok 😂 so yes If your anything like me your barking Mad! Pleased for you getting that lovely engine together man look forward to you having it all ready and running it. Man it will be sweetness!!!
Yeah even after the hiccup she’s good
Yea but you will sort it probably the con rod is stretched a bit because it was getting stuck. Anyway it’s all good in your hands👍
I have 2 vintage Sportwerks Mayhem Nitro buggies. They came with .26 engines. I put .28 engines on them. I bought them new in 2001. I am now converting 1 of them to a brushless and I'm going to keep the other Nitro. Time for a new engine.
you should loosen the plug to start the b3 mate. same on my hyper 30 engine crazy compression. i loosen the plug on all my cars now mate ~:)
Lookn’ Good Haggard ‼️
- Myself and many others are hoping NOVA will release their 2.11cc (.12) Race engine soon
I hope you don’t mind a comment or two. All that may have been needed is to heat up the block to loosen up the piston from the pinch. Since the pinch is new, from time-to-time (engine dependent) you can have a piston seize up during break-in. Pre heating new engines becomes important. A little bit of after run helps too (in between heat cycles)
- Flywheel at TDC topic: Though there seems to be a good amount of movement on the flywheel (like you shown), most of that is normal. The piston is in the pinch and what you “see” is the clearance in the rod to the crank journal.
To your point on disassembling a new engine. Yep, we all agree that engines should come to us without issues. Unfortunately, all manufacturing has issues and “zero defects” during the process a goal but, not a reality.
- The only real way to prove an initial manufacture defect and/or quality issue, is to take it apart and inspect it.
- Unfortunately, once you run the engine, there is no way to find small metal burs/scraps, scratches on complements, etc. Plus, there is no real way to prove the failure was from the manufacture once it has been ran. All that being said, we all hope the manufacture steps up and takes care of any issues but, not all are like that.
I agree, no one has to or should have to tear it down but, it is a good practice. If nothing is wrong, then you simply put it back together (no big deal). The other benefit of tearing it down, is simply to become familiar with the engine and its components. These engines are fascinating and it would give you a chance to see how it all goes together. 😄
I enjoyed your vid and I hope you don’t mind me commenting on a few points 🩷 Keep up the good work on keeping the Hobby and Nitro alive
You and I are on the same page my friend.
You will get it mate. It is all part of break in. Nitros at times can be erratic and crazy stuff at times breaking it in . Wooo you got this. Tell them Haggard yes sir. Great video mate 😊💯👍💥👊🏻
I had exactly the same thing with a brand new ofna picco .26 outlaw a few years ago.
These things happen, great excitement 😂😁
I know its probably a much bigger engine and more expensive than a little .18 I had from new but that little .18 locked up after running it for the first time and I couldnt pull the pull start even though I used an engine heater on it for about 10 mins, once it had cooled it started to move but it felt lumpy like the flywheel would turn so far and then the piston would lock again, so I started loosining the plug so I could turn it over with the pullstart for the first few starts and retightening the plug once running and now it seems to be ok. maybe letting the engine just idle without reving it gets it get a bit to warm in the sleeve? Im also concerned that the long hose pipe wasnt letting the engine breathe sufficiently maybe causing back pressure and overheating.
Glad you got her going 😊
Had alot of trouble breaking in my Nova B3 due to the same issue. Even heated up with a heater blanket it got stuck. Had to use a screw driver and push the flywheel to get it loose. I had to rise the idle to keep it from flaming out and it took me roughly 8 tanks to get it fully broken in. Even after that the compression is still mental and it can get stuck if its cold.
Well that’s normal of any high performance engine they need a lot of heat to start because they have very tight tolerances.
Lovely engines though :)
It actually sounds better after you rebuilt it. great video as usual👊🏾
Thanks, yeah she does sound good I must say
Yeah mate I hear people calling out my name, loud bangs, vehicles pulling up the driveway etc.. when I have music up or a loud atmosphere. I think it might be a natural survival instinct to keep us alert, either that or schizophrenia 🤣 I was an alcohol dependent for over 10 years and got a bit of alcoholic brain damage, alcoholic psychosis. Been sober 5 years now and I'm not hearing voices as much 🤣
Haha well at least it’s not just me 😂
Keep it up mate it's hard when you've been addicted to something it's good to hear that you've overcome it well done 👏
@@danielwood4590 cheers mate.
@@HaggardRC 🤣 you definitely aren't alone mate.
Nice Nova Haggard. Woooo. Stay positive. Love the video. 👍always before play. Dropping in to show love and support . Wooo😊
Nice bud braking in engine sweet had Todo with red cat got bits in Carson now fix two pull starters new body clips
I might consider a bitumen coating on your wall to the neighbor. Could help seal it of or at least keep the water/moisture on his side of things.
In the summer when the walls have dried I’m gonna coat them with brick sealer so that’ll Hopfully stop it
I would make the neighbor pay for it
That’s what happens when you run RICH AND LOUD and don’t look at the temp 😂❤
Ahh there you are Nick, I thought you’d like this one 😁 I said to my daughter at the time it’s almost like the content just falls into my hands 😎😜
@@HaggardRCNick he's faking it to make it. We all know on a new engine you suppose to monitor temp's right pinch and New engine needs to be hot to expand so it don't get stuck.stick to your RTR engines not race engine.youre a fish out of water. 😂😂 I had too old Hag is lost 😂😂😂
I know you think it was hot enough but as you admit to not knowing for sure what the temp was it seems it just cooled and got stuck in the pinch I’ve had engines do this up to a gallon of fuel run through them I think because the pinch is just so tight so when the engine is at operating temp it is still tight
Adding heat to the engine almost always lets the piston free in the sleeve and is much safer than hammering the con rod if heat doesn’t work then there is definitely a bigger problem
Thanks for the video it seems it has taken a while for people to make content on these engines they are wicked fast and powerful when running right
The rant about hearing noises 😂
Yess
Put it back together without the piston and heat up and cool down a few times and that might open her up a bit.
I don’t do a heating install for some one to take it apart and check it. That’s what they pay me for. Same principle I suppose
I would suggest putting it back together
Heat it too 200° then fire it up and keep the engine about 180-200 during break in
I've had to break out the heat gun while it's running to keep the temperature up during break in due to high rich conditions
Might be my problem, I had it at 100ºC
hello obviously it's not nice when a new engine tightens or the temperature rises too much and the cylinder expands blocking the piston, this phenomenon is accentuated by the friction of the new components and generates premature wear of the connecting rod bushing which manifests itself in that annoying click when the piston is at TDC, I recommend the mixture for running in, shims on the head of at least 0.4 to lower the compression and monitor the temperature.. ciao bello
Report the flooding issue to the local council. They may end up making him take the concrete back up.
Our houses aren’t council though, they’ll say it’s a problem between us.
Great video hag ,, I recently purchase new 28 engine for my kyosho mp6 trying to get out to run it in is the thing, keep the good vibes comeing bud
You will be surprised how much swarf there is in a brand new unrun engine, not just sport engine manufactureres. Im talking top of the line race engine manufactureres from Italy & Japan, it only takes a tiny piece of swarf going up between the piston & liner to put nasty scores in the piston & liner.
Same thing happened to my brand new Force .18 engine. Luckily i got it unsized with a heat gun. Maybe it was to cold for running it in.
That sure is a lot of fuel out there on the ground!..🤔😂👍
Haha looked like blood 😂
The novarossi engine is on my bucket list, sounds good. keep up the videos, i watch everyday. cheers!
Thanks matey!
Nova is not made by Novarossi, its not even the same factory lol
@stankovic7150 Nova is Novarossi. Same tooling, same factory, same people.
@@HaggardRC LOL. Noo!
😜
It's not about less compression. The sleeve is tighter.
Noticed from new my Ke21sp engine had the little notch at tdc you’ve said about. It’s had 10 litre’s of nitro through it now without any issues I just assumed the notch is normal.
After 10 Litres that's about normal 😆
@@HaggardRCI’ve had the back plate off and there’s no play in the con rod so not sure where the slack is coming from 🤷♂️
bad neighbors are a nightmare, i hear people dont like to live in the same house when they've had a few breakins and vandalisms
i have a feeling your long hose over exhaust created all the problems with some sort hydro pressure event
How warm is the motor, without a blanket on it? Are you temping it on run in? Or is it 90° on the table. We use heater blankets on.
Im no nitro expert however ive been learning from the best around. The father of a top 20 driver at silverstate.
And they all prefer no ebis breakin.
But use heater blankets on not checking temp but cooking while run in
Ive seen a few novas recently, one snap a crankshaft and NZ importers was strippin new motors for warranty parts.
But i love ya videos, while avoiding my own rc repairs
Haha while avoiding ya own repairs, funny guy!
Engine temp was around 90-100°C.
@@HaggardRCtoo Cold 😂😂
lovely video mate. but have a look at your gear mesh, @ 10:09. seems a bit off 😎
Can’t adjust it, holes aren’t elongated.
What kind of piston sleeve ABC or NBC
Maybe that long hose on the exhaust caused excessive back pressure/oil build up and fuel lockage 😢😢
Yeah, me and my mate broke in a engine. And we tried the water bucket and hose to make it silent. Could not keep it running. We was showing me how to do it properly. But he must of watched to many UA-cam videos.
Kyle McBride was running a nova b5r at the Asian buggy championship. He only managed 6 min 50 tanks. It's a real thirsty engine
Yeah could be.
Thats strange with the compression because with my Reds i also can barely turn it over.
Honestly I would have sent the engine back because that is really a lack of “quality”. 😢
Hmm, hold your horses before you judge, wait for the first drive then we can judge :)
@@HaggardRC Sure it can run well but with 300 buck spent I would want a „perfect“ product. Same with my engine :)
next time break in with engine heater on it to keep it hot or pay answer the 30quid for initial break in bath Should of bought a Reds
Cool video haggard. How do these Nova engines compare to other well known makes OS , Reds, Picco etc….
Passed my test in a Nova ha ha
Isnt the sleave supposed to be slightly narrowed towards the top?
You have an email ect for me to send the hpi f3. 5 en3i have all the oarts i checked but it will need the tiny spring that goes on the conrod for the starter shaft like 2 or 1 pound oart
Bro, did that long pipe turn your exhaust into a distiller? is that what all the crud is on the floor? Good effort getting it back running.
That’s the unburnt oil on the floor lol
how do you make that failsafe on your engine. could you do a video on it.
I could, it’s just a hairband I nicked from my daughter lol.
love it bro top spec. I see your getting a bit more professional in your old age hahaha
Haha funny fucker, I’ll never be professional 😂
@@HaggardRC haha I remember a time your buggys where hanging on bye a thred but now I think your secretary getting a little neat and tidy 🤣🤣🤣
@@mcnitro874 Haha maybe you’re right, that can’t be said for me though I’m hanging on by a thread 😂😂
@@HaggardRC 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘🤘 your doing awesome mate your videos are awesome with I had the confidence to do better videos
@@mcnitro874 Haha I was only joking, you
Know how it is one kid pulling my arm one way the other the other way and the Mrs pulling my feet 😂 not enough time in the day lol. You know time flies, October 2007 I started making UA-cam videos…. 16 years ago!
Hose on the exhaust caused this not being able to clear gases
Ye get that bud
That is shocking, how can he get away with it. He needed to apply a membrane
I. Like this video.. 👏👏
Thank you Mr Woogie, nice to see you here 😎😁
i really dont agrre with no air flow over a engine when running for over a minute say. i started in the hobby with aircraft all bench in,all with props on.
i would send it back
Connecting rod fail
If this is a new engine send it back!!!
If it's to tight or stuck half way the sleeve tolerances on that piston and sleeve are not good. Don't run it !! Way to much stress on the engine . Don't accept this. Send it back.
Try get the engine tick over rush Evo
HEAT HEAT HEAT…
this is why i use a head warmer and monitor temps so i know its hot enough and not too hot or cold and not try to kill a brand new engine you were lucky or that could of been a £130 repair on top of your new engine
It’s with the dealer now after they recalled it.
@@HaggardRC why was it recalled did u tell em the conrod damage was your fault smacking it down with a hammer forcing the pin into the bush lol
@rc_racing_uk Well they watched the video, but I do actually disagree because it wasn’t the crank what was stuck, it was the piston. So by pushing the piston down there wouldn’t have been any pressure on the big end. I made sure of that before I did it.
They watch my videos, we have chats about my videos sometimes over the phone. They’re also subscribed to
My channel. If you send me a PM Rich I’ll be more than happy I explain the whole story with this engine. Maybe then you’ll change your judgment. 🤘🏻
HEAT HEAT HEAT…..
It’s a shame these novas seem to have so many gremlins they look amazing but seem to carry similar issues everytime you see one
I stick to the os and os based engines I have way more fun when things are going right
What chassi is the engine in?
Tekno NB48
I think it over heated
How? There is no blanket even while off. I believe you need to cook a motor! 130 to 140 degrees is fine.
Temp was around 100C° most of the time.
@@ZingZingNZ idk just speculation I was trying to make sense of what happened
Is that an old Mayhem or Turmoil buggy?
Nah it's a Tekno NB48
Cool.
Why wouldn't you show us the piston all the way around Hag .what were you hiding scratches 😂😂 Hag is a pro 😂😂
Loads of scratches and a picnick
@@HaggardRC you don't suppose to use sand paper on the piston before installing it Hagster can't believe I've been watching you for 4yrs now and haven't learned anything 😂😂
maybe if you took it apart before running it,,,,🤣
shame about the new engine mate :/
Can I have a buggy
Haggard you legend good content bro shoutout to you from holland 🇱🇺 btw i am going to get the ftx banzai hing chamg chong nitro this summer , can you push some more ftx content i mean its the cheapest nitro isnt it?
I’d like a Banzai but they’re far too expensive for me
@@HaggardRC i just have to buy it these kids dont know about powerband and the sound