Honda Civic Type R vs Hyundai i30 N vs Audi S3: Steve Sutcliffe track battle | Auto Express
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2021
- Can the Honda Civic Type R see off the Hyundai i30 N and Audi S3 in a head-to-head track battle? Steve Sutcliffe sets a lap time in all three to find out.
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The 2021 Honda Civic Type R (FK8) is one of our favourite hot hatches of the moment, thanks to a super focused chassis, a rev-hungry turbocharged motor and one of the best gearshifts in the business. However, both the Audi S3 and Hyundai i30 N have the potential to cause an upset. The Audi brings brutal straight-line punch and imperious four-wheel drive traction to the table, while the i30 N comes equipped with a new, quick-shifting dual-clutch gearbox, which should shave a few tenths from its lap time. Does either have the talent to overthrow the Civic Type R?
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One of my favourite reviewers. Calm, unflappable, to the point.
Steve is a legend, he is irreplaceable
The fact that we are watching Hyundai i30N compete with sport cars that has multiple generations legacy behind is awesome.
Not to mention your not paying an extra 10gs
Every time I watch this man do a review or a test I always feel like I could trust his judgement. If he says the car is amazing.... You can bet it is. Very good reviewer is Mr Sutcliffe.
I own a 2021 Type R and a 2020 Cayman GT4. I’ll keep both for as long as petrol stations are still in business.
...that's a great opinion !!!! Have the same - I own a Mustang GT and a Subaru XV.
Okay, so in Australia the i30N is $53,250, The Audi S3 is $75,750 & the Type R $67,500…. UK Hyundai are expensive!
And Hyundai warrant their vehicles for track days.
Steve is amazing. One of my all time favorite reviewer.
Love these shootouts, but would be awesome to show the top 20-30 times on this track at the end of these shootouts so it shows some wider perspective
I agree would be great to know times from previous versions of cars etc.
The Civic here is definitely the best drivers car, but I was looking for an auto, something that wasn't designed by a teenager and a car that I could order and not have to wait a year for so I ended up getting the i30 N DCT and love every bit of it.
Thats how you do a review! Steve is brilliant, so calm and to be able to talk to the camera going flat out on that twisty track is amazing. The only person I listen to for car reviews.
There are many straight acceleration sections on that track circuit. Therefore, a vehicle with high engine output (power) has an advantage in lap time. So, the i30n, which has the lowest engine output, seems to be a great vehicle with the most kinematically set-up. If... the engine output of the i30n was the same as the Sijik Type r with 300-320 horsepower... the i30n would have the fastest lap time. I think the i30n is more technically good and nice car.
dont think so, the type r has the most advanced front with its dual setup on each corner
The type r is about 100kgs lighter and is probably the best top 3 handling of front wheel cars.
I30n has the worst tyres as well swap to pilots and game on
Once again, an awesome video. Please do more of these track battles.
Thank you - that's the plan!
Great video but I'm courious if the driver used the NGS button on the straights or out of a speed bleeding turn when in the i30? Which mode did he choose? Which options did he pick or did he turn everything off? The i30 time could have been shaved by at least a second in my opinion.
Good points that deserves answers! 👍
No waffle, no bullsh!t, just proper reviewing. Over 30 years I've been reading/watching Steve. As someone else said, "...legend"
Wonderful watching you drive, Steve.
Thanks for the show!
Another excellent video Steve thank you
The awesome Civic Type R keeps winning track battles but haters/Fan boys keep making excuses: "yeah but, but...". Just accept that the Type R is a track weapon! That being said, it's not all about numbers - and a front wheel drive manual isn't as quick in a straight line from a standing start compared to dual-clutch auto AWD, we know that; you can't have it all - but the Type R is also a fantastic car to drive on the road. These battles are just a bit of fun - although, it is great to see a car you own do so well at them - but they are also an indication as to how well they go on the road. The CTR is great on the road, handles well, is so precise, comfortable and plenty quick. And engineering masterclass. And that gear-shift is outstanding. I couldn't care less if a car is front, rear, or AWD, it's how it drives etc that's important. If you prefer other cars. Great! If you want an AWD dual-clutch so you can race people at traffic lights. Great! Enjoy. The CTR is a great car to drive. The end.
What a video, Honda Civic Type R wins another track battle, and Steve Sutcliffe is at the wheel- perfect. But even if the Civic was not fastest, it would be the most fun if you love driving. Agree with a previous comment about putting a camera facing front ways so we can see Steve’s driving at his best 👍🏻
Couldn't agree more Mark. I own a FK8 and the handling is sublime, sticks to the road. Corners no problem the car eats them and the icing on the cake..... gearbox. I change gears just for the sake of it.😂
Shows how far Hyundai have come when the i30N was a slight let down for Steve.
This review is fantastic
ill join the choir,steve is a legend!...great stuff!:)
Honda Type-R. So much more fun! And more reliable.
Love this track battle and I love the type r. One of those has got my name on it
Awesome video, even more pleasing as I’m a new owner of the civic type R.
Congrats! It's a stellar machine.
Me too dude . Black 2019 GT , it's a special machine
Steve is one of, if not the best car reviewer out there
Wow he can drive. Absolutely fearless in the Honda
I'd buy the i30n all day long, haven't watched the video yet and Don't even care if the Hyundai is the worst 👍
i love my fk8 type r and it always puts a smile on my face on the B roads and with some of the cars it keeps up with! love it
Cheers Steve, great review.
Out of the three I like the i30, maybe it's the new underdog thing.
But the Honda hands down the best hot hatch of everything around.
"the sport line version got rid of the giant wing, so you can actually see out the back"
Except that the spoiler on the original was not visible in the rear view at all ....
How about doing a track comparison between all generations of civic Type R
Yes and including the FD2 which so many videos miss out. My dad has had every gen of Civic Type R and his favourite is the FD2. So much so he bought another one very low mileage one that's supercharged to 370bhp. It's a stunning bit of kit, its definitely my favourite gen thats for sure.
@@mitchreeves1 The FD2 was never officially sold in the UK or Europe, which is why they don't appear much in the European test drive videos.
I've driven the i30n and the S3. The hyundai was hands down the better and smile inducing car to drive on the road. The S3 was quick but felt bland and uninteresting in comparison. If I owned either, I would take the hyundai for a drive just for the enjoyment of it. The Audi I would drive because I needed to get somewhere.
Now out of all 3 of those- which manufacturer will warrant heir product in track days- 1 only and that is the Hyundai, in Australia any way where as others void warranty if used at tracks.
didnt the cupra leon timed at 45.7s when steve tested it?
Wow, that civic type r is like a rocket ship for the road!!
Fantastic! Love watching Steve’s reviews. Would love to see the old Megane 275 and the FK2 Civic with pilot sport 4S tyres, go round against some of these newer generation of cars.
Type R without wing? No, thank you. But the FK8 is an insane good car.
What did he seriously expect? The lowest power front wheel drive i30n to beat a 300hp awd and a type r? That poor thing is totally outclassed. Nice to see it came close to the Audi, but seems like an unfair fight to me.
the guy is brilliant reviewer
Love the sound of that Type R👌
Got a new telly today and what better to put on it than the legendary Steve Sutcliffe :)
Sutters on the big screen - why not!
@@Autoexpress It is a big screen! Can you see me out of my 'pooter?? :D
@@Autoexpress. That’s why he lost the weight…😂
With a manual, still spanks. CTR is awesome
What tyres were the S3 and i30N on? In Australia the N comes with Pirelli P-Zero which don't hold a candle to the PS4S which will be equipped on the Elantra N (and to the Type R in this shootout)
Great content, shame about the audio levels
i30N overweight, all at the front weels, standard macpherson strut = brutal tyre shoulder wear
Audi S3 also overweight (not as much over the front wheel, standard machpherson strut = brutal shoulder tyre wear.
CTR, weight fit, dual axis suspension = no understeer and minimal tyre shoulder wear and a lap time that reflects this.
You did a 46.8 last year in the manual pre facelift i30N Steve! Surely there’s got to be more to give than a 47.1 in the DCT?
45,6 that was a time of red GT tested by Steve recently so just 0,1 seconds slower on bit less aggressive tires and higher profile of PS4 of Sportline.
Would love to own a Civic Type R, but in Germany these cars are priced WELL above their list prices; it would cost me around 44k€ to buy one, but the Hyundai, despite having a similar list price, can be had for 34-35k€, which is already stretching my budget.
Wonder if theres a difference between the S3 and the mk8 R ?
Steve the man! The best and by far my favourite car reviewer in the world! We want new rs3 vs merc a45s vs bmw m2cs
*SUTTIE* !!! These Hot Hatch Segments are *Well Good*
The Civic Type R is an astonishing car.
Also looks so much better in sportline trim without the scaffolding on the back and probably the first time in history I have thought that a car looks better with smaller wheels.
19 inches is sufficient for a car of this size; 20s make it look like it's on stilts.
Love Steve's track battles. Be great to see a dry lap for the GR Yaris for reference. It would be interesting to see the Litchfield Yaris as well.
I'm trying to understand what's going on with the prices. I know that the movie is a year old and prices in the UK may be a bit different, but in Poland the price lists look very different.
In the configurators on the manufacturers' websites, I selected only the basic elements. No frills.
2023 i30N with DCT - PLN 202,900
2023 TypeR 329 /420 - PLN 256,900
2023 S3 - PLN 207,000
As you can see, Honda in Poland has high prices for both new and used cars.
What about the Renault Megane RS Trophy? Some journalists say it can be faster than the Honda or just as fast.
Steve might be getting on a bit but he's still quick.
The Honda looks like it’s on coilovers from the factory just looks like it’s more planted to the track
It's the CTRs double axis suspension setup that achieves its much higher contact patch to the road
Main problem with the i30n is the tyres, Pzeros are good but the PS4s make it a different animal.
Same with the Audi, I wonder how much closer the S3 would be if it had pilot sports
Maybe the tests on all future cars should have the same tyres on ,its may be over kill to say slippers and spikes but it would be fairer, wouldn't it ?
That's a talented reviewer.
It would be interesting to have compared the lighter manual i30N with the manual Type R as kerb weights are almost the same, the R will still be faster but that extra 100kg can't do the i30N DCT any favours on a track
I think the dct is still quicker around the track due to it's quick shifting than the manual.
I don’t care what cars are involved. If Steve’s driving I’ll watch the video
second that!
great driving
Tests should be done from a standstill at the finish line and to go for 2 laps (and then get the average) , that's more fair, as passing through the finish line at speed can vary depending on the car/driver, unless when passing the speed is the same for all cars, which may be the case but I dont know.
Nevertheless, the Type R is king, no matter what!
I think you should test at least with all cars on the same tires.. the pilot sports on the civic are better than the p-zero’s so the hyundai being a 2wd car has the biggest disadvantage on this track.
Where can you get an S3 with comparable equipment to the N for the same price? The S3 costs around 60000€. The Type R GT costs 43500€. The N costs with full equipment 37000€ with DCT and as a manual 34500€. So Honda and Audi already suck at the price. And for the N DCT, there are also enough performance upgrades with TÜV, which are in the range at around +80HP for 1200-1500€. So you also outperform both competitors in the driving performance and still save a lot of money.
Not to mention that the Civic drives with the better tires here in the test. The N and the S3 would certainly come close to the Civic by another second if they all drove PS4S.
thanks steve
That Type R is epic. Odd thing is I never seem to see any on Track Days.
They didn't sell a lot in this country as people couldn't get over the looks. And far too many of the FK8 members spend too much of their time sticking carbon bits in the interior and cleaning the car rather than tracking them. In the US on the other hand... seems like everyone tracks them!
@@Riknos That explains why I have not seen that many on the road, what a shame, cars like this are meant for driving,
Type R is so expensive in EU compared to US. Also i think it's about the Honda brand image in Europe that there aren't as many Type R's
The CTR just has that FWD cheat code.
Had an FK8, do believe the hype,!
So Type R did the same time as Cupra (in one of your previous reviews).
Damp lap. And heavier car than the type r actually lol. Sport line is a strange one I wish they never made lol
Personally, I don't like too hard suspension and the i30N has it, the car should be fluid, not jump on bumps and potholes that are on most roads in the europe
The fastback is a tad bit softer.
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ They are the same since 2020, and the Facelift is even a bit softer still.
the DCT has noticeably firmer suspension than the manual to cope with the extra weight of the dual clutch box.
You can change the suspension in your custom settings to soft. 3 modes of stiffness are available.
@@BodenM No it doesn’t
This guys needs to compare the LE to the regular type r on this track
Would love to see it
I wonder if the lighter manual i30n with the lightweight seats would make a difference and catch the audi!
I swapped the P zeros off my i30n within 3 months they were gash. With 4s’s on and use of the NGS it would be up there with the Civic times.
Can we have a leader board please then put the best cars in class against each other on the same day Cupra Leon vs Civic type R
Manual gearbox is king 👑
So what about the hp differences 320 hp of the civic and 280 hp of the Hyundai thats like 40 hp difference!!!!!
Car with power, beats cars with less power.... shocker.
bet he forgot to use the NGS though on i30N which should have given it more power and torque overboost.
NGS only works to 4700rpm torque band you'll be sitting above that 90% of the time on track.
I30N is 100kg heavier than type r with less horse power. Where did they put 100kg on the car?
DCT
Bonnet 😂
i30N did terrific for the price. It is not 'similarly priced' to either the Honda or Civic. In Australia, they are 10s of thousands more. They SHOULD be better. They should be better by a larger margin considering the cost differential.
I like the focus rs ok
Wouldn't tyres be a big factor?
"...it feels just a touch softer" 7:38 lol that is softer is it? Looks like he's going to jump out of the seat.
I struggle to believe the i30N and Civic are faster with their suspension in the hardest settings based on how much he's jumping around.
Hyundai use the softest of the 3 damper settings at the nurburgring and I was told by one of their track day instructors who has coached all the way up to F1 that the only circuit in the UK that you might find it better in the firmest setting is Silverstone due to it being pan flat for the F1 cars.
@@bat33.12 What about on road, when you need to fully send into those corners, would sport or comfort be better for suspension?
@@hyphed4196 it really depends on the road surface if it's really smooth like well laid new tarmac then the front turns in quicker on the firmer damping settings and is more responsive but if it's a bumpy UK style B road then I would leave it in normal mode as it will hold it's line and not be deflected by bigger bumps. You have normal/comfort, sport and full N damping to pick from. It flicks nicely through roundabouts in firmer settings and the mid/sport setting feels close to a Renault Megane on cup suspension
Put the civic on pirellis, or put the other two on the 4S’s…
I wonder how the next type R will drive....
I wonder how the i30N would go on PS4S
Was thinking the same. Probably should beat the S3 at least
Have to say i prefer the older shape i30n. I don't like the new rounder shape front end and headlights, the pre-facelift is such a handsome and agressive looking car. And manual gearbox please.
If this review was cut showing only the interior shot of Steve driving, you’d still know which car was quickest and the most fun. The Type R just ‘does’ this stuff best.
Another great, yet somewhat predictable video.
Love these track battles. Interestingly, same driver, same track, new Cupra Leon 300 posted an identical 45.7. Would have expected Civic to be slightly faster so maybe sport line trim does make a difference....
It should be noted that the Leon 300 posted that time on a different day - there can be a surprising variation in track grip if it's been raining beforehand, or if the surface has been rubbered in by other cars!
I bet the CTR is faster round here than the Cupra, as it’s just more seriously track focused. The Cupra is a nice car though, and for daily usage I would choose it over a golf any day.
i30n is better stability plus gear or rev i30n is better of than Honda but dct is best automatic made if u put the same hp and s3 fwd or golf gti lest see who the king is and like we know TCR N is best in corners turns flat stability and best of all is cyan engineering sec is N performance and Honda the only Honda is good to max speed and cyan and N best corners speed runs in this race is not fair Honda has more power and audi awd plus over power.
Honda doing what they do best
Honda Civic Type R is the king of the hot hatches !
Yea but only on track. Get on the road and it’s trash
@@pazera66 where did you get that view from. It has adaptive suspension and it is like a civic on the road. I have driven one and it engages you on the road. Agreed not as good on the road as the S3, but comfortable enough
I think this is the best driver among all social media reviewers
Steve Sutcliffe has been a Motoring Journalist for longer than there has been a UA-cam or Facebook. I remember reading his reviews in Autocar Magazine back in the mid 90's! This guy is far from a "social media reviewer".
Great performance of all cars. In the matter of the price - HONDA and HYUNDAI beat the AUDI absolutely !
Love the Civic
Audi S3 not your first choice car to take to a track but impressive nevertheless, Honda will take some beating with the civic but I don't think we've seen the last of Hyundai hopefully before the world turns into a big electronic mess
Leon Cupra 300 made 45.70 on the track
I think it would of been more fair if all cars were on Michelin P4S'
To be honest I think the audi and civic lost as the i30n runs 280hp the s3 runs 310hp and the civic does 316hp, so for me the winner is stil the hyundai as it's the most heavy one and least horsepower but really close to the 2 others