LKLS | Reinventing "Spears" in… 2024 (DS3 Commentary)
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- When a man and a weapon love each other veeery much…
The Lothric Knight Longspear has always met a mixed reception. It got some praise for being a pretty, if unoriginal, “spear-like”. But it was always followed with ire: mocked for being a poise-antenna in a poiseless game, and failing to perform where spears often could. Perhaps unsurprisingly, few people ever understood the wonderful weirdness under the hood - the qualities that turn this simple pokey stick into Fromsoft’s crown jewel.
So, join me on a final, feverish rant as I explain everything you never wanted to know about my favorite weapon in Souls history.
FAQs:
- Q: 40 minutes wasn’t enough for me. Do you have anything else to share?
- A: Yup! Here is the “Longspear Bible”. In it, you can find the Poise Calculator I wrote for easier buildmaking, all my poise/hyperarmor testing data, and a list of combos/pseudocombos. Enjoy! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
- Q: I wanna try the Longspear. What build should I make?
- A: There are a lot of options! Dex is best, but you’ll also want Endurance. The Longspear is a combo-based weapon, and depriving yourself of stamina means your combo game… finishes early. And nobody likes that.
Below meta, I would never go over 40 Dex - put the spare points in Endurance. My SL 90 build actually has 36 (!!!) Endurance for endless combos (also optimal for my beloved Valorheart). At meta I get 70-75 Dex for those post-60 Dex damage returns.
At 90 and meta, I’d also consider a Quality build (for weapon variety, plus guardbreaking options like offhand Demon Fist) or an elemental build (for shield chip and hybrid spellcasting).
- Q: So what IS the deal with the Pike?
- A: Think of the Pike as a weaker, shorter version of LKLS. It shares all the same properties, aside from the extra poise. It is worse on its optimal build (Dex) but its stat reqs make sense for Raw and elemental builds (which are often stat-starved). In fact, it is competitive damage-wise with LKLS on raw and elemental infusions, specifically! So if you can’t spare the stats, go with the Pike, baby.
- Q: Uh, why 2024?
- A: Sorry for the wait!! I crunched really hard in 2022 to get this video out before ER, but I stopped because it was compromising quality (and my sanity). Then ER took over for a while. It’s fine though, because revisiting DS3 in 2023/2024 gave me a lot of good clips and a different perspective.
- Q: Is this really your last video?
- A: Probably not! But it will be the last thing I make of this scale. ER isn’t the best game for this type of content (imo), and I can’t just make DS3 videos for the rest of my life. So I’ll have to wait and see what Fromsoft will cook up next.
- Q: Why do you call it the Longspear and not Long Spear lmao
- A: Longspears are a thing! And “Lothric Knight Long Spear” just looks wrong man, it totally violates the rules of adjective order. It’s DOSA-SCOMP, not DOOSA-SCMP! (Three people understood that and even fewer cared.)
Chapters and Music:
- PART 1: INTRODUCTION -
0:00 The Intro
🎵Colin Stetson - “All the Colors Bleached to White”
🎵Death Grips - “Death Grips (Next Grips)”
2:37 The Comparison
🎵Raffy Bushman - “First Man”
- PART 2: MOVESET -
4:59 The R2
🎵Asturias - “Reincarnation”
🎵Louie Zong - “Turnstile Hop“
8:47 The R1
🎵Okvsho - “Kamala’s Danz”
🎵Caldera - “Guanacaste”
🎵Coolio - “Gangsta’s Paradise”
🎵Louie Zong - “A Statue’s Lament”
🎵Louie Zong - “Power Line Boogie”
🎵Unknown Artist - “Nine Monks”
12:44 The Charge
🎵Marcos Valle Azimuth - “LP O Fabuloso Fittipaldi”
17:10 The… Other Charge
🎵“Attack on Vah Ruta” from The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild OST
🎵“4 Minutes Before Death (Variation)” from the Ghost Trick OST
- PART 3: TACTICS -
19:47 The Advantage
🎵Indigo Jam Unit - “Danza Eterna”
🎵Tom Jobim - “Chega De Saudade”
🎵Mark Lockheart - “Jagdish”
23:13 The Fisha
🎵Asturias - “Soul Trees”
🎵Piero Umiliani - “Crepusculo sul mare”
- PART 4: SUBVERSION -
27:23 The Pain
🎵Aldo - “Random Jam 48”
🎵“Molduga Battle” from The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild OST
🎥(Credit to Miles John for his animation “MBMBAM Animated: Guy Another Day”)
31:47 The Counter
🎵Norio Maeda Meets Tin Pan Alley - “Laia Ladaia”
🎵Laurence Mason - “Golden Brown” (Cover in the style of Dave Brubeck)
🎵“Kitsch” from the Smash Ultimate OST
🎵The Fearless Flyers - “Vespa”
- PART 5: FINALE -
38:24 The Point
🎵Aldo - “Random Jam 46”
🎵Ray Charles - “What’d I Say”
Cheers to @Ziggylata, @heyitstig6559, and @TheGameconomist for being the early LKLS champions.
Thanks to Prynne, Pinco, and everyone else for the coinvasions and testing help. Hugs to the Gyrm’s Respite for always supporting my enthusiasm for these games. And most of all, my love to RAB for her endless support as I played/worked too long to complete this project.
#LKLS #ds3tube #invasions - Ігри
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When a man and a weapon love each other veeery much…
If you liked it, feel free to share this video with anyone who cares - with a small channel like mine, I really can’t depend on the YT algorithm to help me out. 😅
And if you want more, here is the “Longspear Bible”. In it, you can find the Poise Calculator I wrote for easier buildmaking, all my poise/hyperarmor testing data, and a list of combos/pseudocombos. Enjoy!
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YTQM-dCxyOlmVbVJQs-XUILsv10S-6BXX0QKkG8MgII/edit?usp=sharing
(Also see the video description above for FAQs, thanks/credits, music, and other info. Cheers)
UPDATE: The video got copyright blocked in New Zealand. For you Kiwis out there, here’s a copy with the last minute muted to avoid copyright. I’ve also included the link in my recent Community Post on my channel, for future access.
ua-cam.com/video/owHxJEmztGk/v-deo.html
Respect@@Felicificity
Just what 2024 called for; DS3 content. Beautiful.
holy shit ??? like what the actual fuck ??? What amazing production value ! What great pacing, soundtrack, editing, everything ! This is truly a video for the ages ! I hope you're proud of yourself for that one, chief, cause you deserve it !!
AWWW thanks so much, that makes me so happy to hear. Working on big videos is such an absurd amount of effort, but this makes it feel very worthwhile 😊
Well, you made possible the impossible: made me watch a 40 minutes video of Dark Souls 3, a game that I haven’t touched in 4 years (basically) and I have all the intention to keep it that way. I have too many hours on it, and I can’t stomach the PvP again.
BUT.
It seems that are plenty of things I didn’t try or even know yet, which is the sign of two things: From Software knows its stuff and that you are a great player/creator. And WHAT A GREAT EDITING, man. Never in the way, always entertaining, always bits and effects of good taste. Very well done. This kind of video took ages to make, I know that for sure.
Also, that fucking RARE Death Grips intro? Jesus Christ.
10/10
Years ago I watched a Bloodborne montage from a guy I’ve never heard of before, and it was one of the best things I had watched on UA-cam in years. Later I found out that person made more videos for the other Souls games, and now I look forward to every excellent Elden Ring video they drop - because it’s always the best thing currently going on in the ER PvP scene.
Of course that person is you Azael. So, to hear that you enjoyed my video means so much to me. Thanks for all the kind words, seriously. Even if you don’t plan to return to Lothric, to know I was able to educate and entertain one of the greats is all I need.
Cheers homie!
This is so wholesome.
Cheers to you both 🫶
Omg point blank wholesomeness in my face ❤🎉
No fucking way… sometimes you see a video that just makes you think “maybe the Souls community is okay” you know? This is fucking great, Fel
Thank you sm EXO 😊
Man if I had a nickel for every ds3 weapon that had a surprising amount of nuance I'd have like a dollar lol
Ds3 is probably the most fun game I've ever played, aside Minecraft. Paid 5 dollars, got hundreds of hours out of it.
@@araynick8577 play more games
@@zawarudo8991suggest some
This is essentially a dangitjm video. Might as well be called "The underrated LKLS".
I mean this as the highest praise I can give a DS3 video. This is *wonderfully* done.
Earned a sub.
I appreciate the flattering comparison! I do have a lot of thoughts about this comment. Humor me if you’d like, otherwise feel free to ignore my blathering. 😊
I do love and respect JM’s work and they really paved the way for a whole genre of content. But for that same reason, I do try and distinguish my style from theirs in a number of ways (in my more data driven approach, my writing, and my music and edits) because I prefer that my videos stand on their own. The Underrated Series is kinda the elephant in the room for anyone making PvP weapon analysis content for Souls games, and it takes time and energy and creativity to stand out and avoid JM’s shadow. I put a lot of that effort into my own style and I hope it speaks for itself - and as much as I like JM’s work, I don’t consider myself derivative of them, and I don’t see my videos as an offshoot of their work.
As an example of something JM does that I do not: I specifically avoid discussions of patch history, PvE/buildmaking, or basic “Googleable” info (like how to obtain each weapon), and tailor my discussion specifically on mechanics and approach. In other words, JM’s vids are just as much about the “what”, “when”, and “how” as much as the “why”. Meanwhile I am very very much about the “why” specifically - why mechanics work the way they do, and why that matters for the weapon at hand.
Furthermore, my approach is specifically targeted at intermediate players, folks already familiar with somewhat advanced concepts and with PvP mechanics, while JM’s approach makes the Underrated series more beginner friendly. I see so much value in their approach, but I have slightly different goals - and I wouldn’t want to tread on tilled soil.
All that to say, I appreciate your kindness and I’m really glad you enjoyed the vid! And please don’t take this as me chastising you - I just have a very chatty brain and this made me think about some deeper questions about my work on this website. And when my brain thinks something, my hands have to write something. It’s the content creator’s curse. 😅
And again thanks for the kind words, they’re not lost on me!! I promise I’m not irked by the comparison or anything, it was just thought provoking
"guardian ape yacht club" fuckin lol
great vid fel. i had no idea about the better hitstun towards the handle of the spear
Thx mook 🩵
After I've been burnt out of Elden Ring PVP, I've been watching old videos of iamamish, saint riot and dangitjm on DS3 PVP, which I've never participated in. I was kind of surprised when this video came up on my home page because of when it came out (youtube was keen on what I was watching I guess) but I'm glad this video was recommended to me. I'll finally give DS3 PVP a try. Thanks for making this video, I bet it took a long time to make.
I hope you have a ton of fun. DS3 has its own jank and imbalance but it’s the most fun I’ve had with Fromsoft PvP, and frankly it isn’t even close. Thanks for watching!
You can't do this to me Fel!
Not only is it almost Exam season, I also have WAY too many warhammer models still left to paint to go back to DS3... but the sirens song is so tempting!
Stay strong soldier! The figures aren’t gonna paint themselves!
lkls my beloved...
When's the next upload? 🥺
I can so not believe what I'm learning that I had to stop the video to comment. I have like a gazillion hours in DS3 pvp, how are some of these news to me? I'm a simple str guy who loves his R1+R1 into R2+R2 pseudo Partizan combo but LKL, which I always overlooked, apparently has some great potential. It was only after I stopped playing DS3 that I became a Leo Ring enthusiast though, so I forgive myself lest Ornstein does not.
My hope was that even LKLS users would learn something new from this video, and I think I was successful there. But even more than that, I’m happy to hear it landed for folks less experienced with the weapon too. It really is unlike anything else in the game and perhaps the whole series
Beautiful video Fel ❤
You have this very nice ability to not only breakdown every dusty, cobweb filled nook and cranny of a weapon or setup and its potential, but also show what makes it fun (THAT R2 TRACKING X.X ). It instantly creates the desire to discover that same fun for yourself after watching and that is the true magic of a well done (and extremely well edited) video.
Worth the wait 👍🏼 (shoutout to the Prynne cameo at the end)
Join our ranks! Lothric needs YOU 🫵
Thanks for watching Rendan, at the end of the day I’ll be happy if this video makes even just a few people pick up this weapon and try it out so they can see what I’m talkin about.
Prynne cameo 💪
Fel you bastard! This is the best thing I've seen all year!!
I did not think there was any room in my ash-filled shriveled up heart for more DS3, but this might just change my mind!
Funny, insightful, and stylish as hell. Glorious, glorious work!!
Thank u eiroth 💗
i can't believe how well made this video is, this is a huge gift to souls pvp content
That’s all I want! It feels good to give back to the community that’s given me so much
I gotta say Fel, I really appreciate and respect you decided to finish this video despite life getting in the way for a while. Believe me, I understand the circumstance lol.
It goes without saying, but you did a great video showcasing this spear. Personally, I dabbled with the LKLS a couple of times and I enjoyed it a lot back in the day but couldnt really understand why I did outside the R2. The video not only explained why I did, but also taught additional info (like that 1H Hitbox difference/additional combos like GEEZ). Interesting that the Charged R2 on the LKLS loses the perfect tracking just like the BKG's Charged R2. That was a property I assumed was exclusive to BKG but I was mistaken! This video is the best counterpoint to the poise antenna notion.
On another note, I missed this type of content/analysis from you and the landscape on YT. I know people say that rose tinted glasses elevate feelings, but Elden Ring does not have this type of intricacy in combat. I could say a whole dialogue, but I'd break the character limit on here so I'll digress.
I hope to see another form of analysis/commentary from you in the future. You're very skilled in commentary/video making (You wont convince me otherwise!). I hope life treats you well and that it lets up to allow you more free time. Until next time Fel!
Thank you Derpy, of all people I know you’d understand. I’ve been going through some of your older videos and just reminiscing - you’re one of the greats, I hope you know. Always a joy to hear from you, whether it’s through a video or through a lovely YT comment like this. I don’t think I have another one like this in me, but I’m happy and proud to have gotten this vid done. It’s something I can always hang my hat on, at least.
Much love Derpy! 🫶
derpy in the house
I can’t believe the depth of this weapon and honestly DS3 in general! This video is such wonderful showing of editing and passion ❤, and i can say that barely touched the surface of ds3 gameplay , something i kinda regret .
Great video Fel! The wait was worth it 🎉( and hopefully we won’t wait as long to hear your voice again :D )
We’ll see haha, thank you for everything Halo 😇
I only used lkls for fishing so im kinda surprised it had so much depth and nuance to it.
Also just to let you know you can escape staggered r1 combos with quickstep and perseverance.
Its been about 3-4 years since i last played ds3 and im still learning new things! Great video Fel❤🙏
I was resisting the urge to go back to DS3 and use this weapon the entire time until you pulled up that picture of the 1handed goddamn hitbox and it made me realize that I needed return IMMEDIATELY to use this thing. This whole time you've been singing this spear's praises but it was only now that it all clicked in the way only a Fel can make it click. HELL YES this was an amazing video, I'm gonna rewatch it again once I get off work
I get it
“Whoops, I dropped my monster hitbox for my magnum spear!”
Have fun swingin that thing around Rofo 😉 and thanks as always for your enthusiasm and support for all the stuff I make 💜
haven't been active in this game since around 2020, dont remember how i came across this video 4 years later, but i remember that editing, jokes, and content like this are what got me into the game in like 2018. keep on carrying the torch
This video showed up in my recommended and the editing is insane. Great video.
the quality of this video is insane, this is the exact type of video i love to see from souls pvp youtube, super underrated!
Absolutely worth the wait, it’s already everything I wanted and more. Beautiful, Poetic Cinema. For Action Role Playing Game Dark Souls 3.
Oh my god you actually did the SP comparisons visually, that’s so cool - no one actually does that in videos, they usually just refer to the Reddit thread of dubious accuracy.
I never considered the interpolation on the hitboxes catching multiple opponents by sweeping the R2 hitbox - that’s kind of insane.
SURPRISE COLUMBO
The video is so good I completely forgot to start taking notes for the entire first 10 minutes.
That added poise damage of the pike class breaking any potential hyperarmor out of the close range R1 is extra useful, though I don’t think any hyperarmor in the game would even come out fast enough to contest it - so they really do have to roll.
Surprise Bisexual Siegward, we love to see it.
That running attack IS Frame 1 isn’t it. Wow that’s fucked up. Except somehow.. It isn’t. Most balanced frame 1 attack I’ve ever seen in my entire life. The multihits not locking is something I’m intimately familiar with, unfortunately, but FRAME 1.
These charts and diagrams are perfect for visualizing how to manage threat zones, spacing, conditioning, the works. Lovely Cinematic Aspect Ratio Shift for the crit fishing montage.
THE BLOCKCHAIN There are like 3 layers to this joke. The Sekiro.
You’re braver than I trying to make a caster with this thing.
OMG I make a surprise appearance! I remembered that appearance but I forgot about the stream entirely.
This was just so perfect, it’s your best work, and you should be proud of it. I’m so glad to finally see it, and it was a treat the entire way through. All killer no filler. I am already preparing to go out and (ab)use this knowledge. It’s an honor to be your friend even all this time later. Perhaps we shall see each other again in Lothric.
Prynne you’ve broken the YT meta once again with your lovely play-by-play comments, this was lovely to read. Really glad the jokes landed with you (the blockchain one especially lol) and the info translated well enough to the screen. I was a bit worried my figures wouldn’t come across clearly, but nothing gets past you!
And I knew the moment we had those fun coinvasions in Demon Ruins that I had found the perfect outro. You’ve been a friend and supporter for ages now, and still one of the few Pick and Poker connoisseurs representing out there - to know that you’re interested in trying this weapon out too only proves that we’re on the same wavelength yet again.
Cheers to DS3 and to a future of weird, wonky PvP. Thanks as always Prynne ❤
Man I love being obsessed with the intricacies of dark souls weapons and I’m glad others are too
Dude how have I never found you before! That Blazing Saddles clip on the chug was golden. This is awesome.
Not only does Fel use Columbo clips in 2024, they use clips from some of the greatest columbo episodes ever filmed. Oh Algo Gods, how ye have blessed me this day.
i absolutely loved the video! the editing is phenomenal and the choice of music was fitting! havent played a whole lot of ds3 pvp, but i will tonight;p thanks for the inspiration
Thank you so much!
Whole Ass Movie out here about ONE weapon from DS3. Amazing job, great pacing, breaking expectations, well presented Info... just everything. Keep doing you man, this is the Souls Community i love to see. Much Love.
Cheers! 🍻
god bless you for making it feel like 2016 again
Absolutely goddamn incredible video. In-depth, stellar editing, compelling narrative pacing, Columbo is there, it's got it all.
Thank you very much! I’m especially glad the pacing worked out, since this is def my longest vid by a country mile 😅
I want you to understand exact;y how much respect you have instantly gained for including a Justin McElroy meme in your video. I literally love you as a person.
He’s certainly a treasure! Haha
I love these types of videos that show a side of a weapon I had never considered before. I'll have to try to implement this into my next build, along with the pick and poker from your other video, both look like a lot of fun!
The production effort on this... Thank You!
Much appreciated homie
this is beautifully made. i initially didn't plan to watch a 40 minute video about dark souls 3 spears, but i couldn't pull myself away once i started. i love the perfectly fitting tv show/movie clips, the music is great, the memes are actually funny, and the editing is so stylish! such nasty gameplay too. everything about this video is perfect. i can't believe i get to watch this for free.
Sike you owe me $10 now 😎
Glad you liked it!!
This is no joke, my favourite video I've seen in months. So many moments had my jaw on the floor as you described the moveset's quirks, strengths, and overall craziness. I think my favourite part was the sweep, that shit is so goofy for a weapon like this and exemplifies my favourite parts of FromSoft weapon design.
Also, the editing for this video is simply astounding and kept me engaged throughout and the humour landed consistently and strongly for me. Thank you for the video, can't wait to get started on more of your content.
This video is definitely a standout in terms of polish, but at the very least I can say all my videos come from the heart, haha. Thank you so much for your kindness, I’m glad the video hit the right notes for you
Dude this video is so well made! How long was it in production? The greatlance and the LKLS were always my favorite two weapons, so its awesome learning years later that one of them is way better than i ever knew!
Yooo jager what’s up, I was just watching your videos. Thanks so much for the kind words.
I started this video in early 2021, but by summer my IRL workload got too intense so I had to step away from the vid. By the time ER came out the vid was like halfway done, then obv I took a long hiatus from it to play and make vids about ER. Finally in mid 2023 I came back and started tinkering with the vid again, and really focused on it in 2024.
So all told about a 1+ years of tinkering and about 6-8 months of super dedicated work. Which is way more than it should’ve been! But the longer I work on something, the more perfectionist I get about it. It’s a bit of a problem I have as a creator 😅
Glad to hear this hit the right notes with a fellow Greatlance and LKLS enjoyer. If you ever do come back to Lothric, they’ll be waiting for you!
Okay, i m sold. Gonna try out that weapon in the next month.
This is one of the best souls vids I've seen.... in terms of not only knowledge and skill, but also production quality. Bravo sir. Praise the Sun.
Log in boys!
Absolute cinema, ty algorithm.
Notifications are ON now! Thank you so much for this video!
Thanks Sam!
@@Felicificity I'm on that gateway drug of Forward Roll Punish.
Hell yes, my old beloved LKLS. I used to use Corvian Greatknife offhand with it a little after launch! Played like that in duels for yeeeaaars. Never knew these super in-depth mechanics, though I was absolutely aware of the WA R1 combo, that shit hurts. Thank you so much for the nostalgia.
The amount of time and effort put into getting the clips, gathering information, and editing is impressive. This is a very well-made video with a good mix of showing gameplay potential and just enough funny moments/memes to keep viewers on their toes. It kept me engaged all the way through the video. Great job on this project.
Great to hear, thank you!
Pretty dang good, and on a weapon that I have literally only seen as a "poise antenna" and never as an actual weapon that someone uses
In a world where the DS3 meta is... what it is today... I'm kinda glad that there's at least one person out there trying out some weird wacky stuff that has never been seen before. Hell, it almost gave me an itch to go back to DS3 at a time where I'm trying new stuff in Elden Ring that I have never tried out before.
You rock, seriously
Thank you Mr Kumo, I love your ER vids. I’ll be repping the DS3 gang for a good long while more, I’m glad to hear my exploits and shenanigans brought you some joy
IM SO READY
Ds3 Spears really feel just great to use
No wonder the LKLS was one of my favourite weapons in DS3. I knew about some of this but it has so much more depth than I originally thought. Great video!
That editing at 27:00 is the best thing I've ever seen. Tbh all the editing in this was amazing, esp for such a small channel. Thank you for the effort you put in. Vvv excited to check out the rest of your channel
None of it is nearly as polished as this but they’re all from the heart. Thanks!
Fel out here making me want to go back to DS3-- WAIT FOR RETURN TO LOTHRIC DAMMIT! I'm already playing too many games!
All jokes aside, fantastic video, made for a very enjoyable watch on a rare hour long lunch break.
Glad you liked it Blue 💙
When is return to Lothric? The release date passed already
@@Blittsplitt5 If i recalll correctly, it's a week or two before the elden ring dlc comes out.
Wasn’t expecting fearless flyers on a ds3 video about my favorite weapon
this deserves a hundred times more views than it has. incredibly editing, amazing script, interesting gameplay analysis, and a generally awesome style of content. much love, dude.
So glad you enjoyed it. I also hope it gets more traction, but as long as someone’s enjoying it I’m happy
oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy!!!!!
Man the start gave me Iced Estus vibes, i love this!
1. Spacing at 6:04 was delicious
2. Fel DS 3 content in 2024? I'm here for it
I genuinely don’t know how I avoided the approximately 2 football fields of UGS shockwave hitbox there. Latency spacing is a hell of a thing.
Great to see you around Amish, hope you’re well. This’ll probably be my last DS3 vid, I wanted to make one last splash and see if I can’t spread it as far as I can. So far the response has been heartening, and I truly appreciate all the comments and shares on this, my final hurrah for a game that meant more to people than it probably was ever meant to. The market for DS3 PvP is clearly there, we just need a new game capable of scratching that itch 😅
@@Felicificity 32:35 - if I were to use the warpick, do you recommend any particular weapon for the offhand to go with it? Also, question on the infinite blockstun - did you test that on PC, or PS4?
@@iamamish I’ll have to get back to you on that first question, I’ve put my best men on it.
As for the testing, it was done on PS5 at 60 FPS. Worth noting, however, that some weapons seem to be a lot harder to infinitely stunlock - notably weapons with a diagonal block (SS, CS, hammers, etc) get pushed far back on hit, limiting the stun to only three hits before they’re out of range. Also, greatswords seem to be able to attack out of blockstun just fast enough to break out of the infinite stunlock if your staggered R1 timing isn’t perfect. And because staggered R1s aren’t a queued input, your timing really does have to be fully manual. These are all factors that make the infinite blockstun trick situational by nature.
That said, the timing for stunlocks is wayyy more generous for ultras and polearm weapons, which seem to experience the longest blockstun of the bunch.
@@Felicificity that's really interesting. I remember Distant showing me something a long time ago where you could get stuck in infinite blockstun using BKS, but it was limited to PS4 and the slower frame rate - on PC, it wasn't possible.
I think it was against a dagger, but I'm not sure.
Interesting stuff!!
That Sunlight Spear at the very end of the video... I felt that in my BONES
He did too!
the soundtrack citations... thank you king
excellent taste to boot. piero umiliani my beloved. loved the brubeckified golden brown cover too
Thanks! I always appreciate a good music enjoyer in my comments
This is genuinely one of the best video's I've seen recently and I can't describe why. But after watching this I couldn't sleep for 2 hours because I wanted to gamedev so bad.
all the intricacies of combat are just so fascinating, and its all put in such an appealing package
Thanks so much! You’re a game dev? Thats so awesome, I’m so happy to hear my video got your dev brain working like that
@@Felicificity I'm a studying gamed designer,
and I'm always really interested in combat mechanics. this content was truly top notch, keep it up!
Oh man I used to love this thing. The staple being the r2 rather than the standard running r1 was so cool.
Such a nice person. You have sensed that I am going to make Herald/Spear trilogy run and published a guide video. Thanks!
Sounds like a good time!
5:02
COMPLETELY unrelated, but i didn't expect fel to bring out the asturias bangers like that out of the blue
great choice of music as always 😌
...tho ngl i had trouble focusing cause i was too distracted by the bopping :V
Rare Asturias fan found in the wild, hell yeah. Freakin love that band. Cheers homie
@@Felicificity honestly i've met more *possible* fans of them in the souls/er community than anywhere else, seeing the musical tastes of peeps like tocco, emilia, dashing saint etc...
seeing how i grabbed your attention by the way, from the way you spoke in the video, it sounds like this will be one of if not the last video for ds3 you will do, is there any chance you'll work on ER videos after the dlc comes out? if not, what else?(if anything)
@@iota-09 I still have some ER videos still in me, provided I have the time! At most I’ll probably drop one small build showcase video before the DLC, and maybe more vids later if the DLC itself lights a fire in me.
I don’t think my type of weapon analysis suits ER very well and vice versa, but I do like the occasional build showcase set to music. The variety of build options are what that game excel at more than anything else so that’s probably what I’ll focus on 😁
My content spans a pretty wide range between the commentary weapon analysis and random invasion montages and the build showcases, so I know it won’t all appeal to the same audience. But I’m glad you’re still interested in my ER work!
@@Felicificity right, if i'm not wrong, most of your gameplay is in invasions, and elden ring invasions are... welll... they are what they are.
here's to hope that they improve upon them with the dlc... worst come to worst, there'll at least still be duels...
personally i still like using weapon setups in the way you do but in elden ring, however, i mainly play duels in den maps, so there's that, but it also does appear that the dlc will have new weapon categories(hopefully full categories and just unique weapons like ds3) so maybe that might work 👀
I feel like it's 2018 and I'm watching a dangitJM video. This was exactly what I needed. How did I sleep on this weapon for my entire DS3 career?
Also, can we talk about that video production? Through the roof, man! This was spectacular.
I laughed, I cried (when you got parried specifically), I basked in the fragments of light breaking over a sunlit hill, and I listened to Death Grips
Truly incredible work, and I see now why you opt to take your time making these sorts of videos, it's an honest work of art in its own right, the knowledge and analysis and the framing and editing and everything else. Also I am a sucker for church choirs, so the intro alone pretty much sent me. Wow 🌟
Thank u ghost u da best 🙈
I was already in love the moment you told me that r2 had infinite tracking potential, but dear god it has a lot more than just that huh
Really lovely stuff fel, your editing is on point I love all the cinematic sequences:)
I thought this weapon looked amazing all these years, maybe this'll be the catalyst for a potential visit to ds3!
Keep at it fel!
insane editing good job man
I try! Thanks 🙏
this is so well made and well edited... need more of it!! keep up to good work!
I don’t have a lot of time for big videos nowadays but I’m really happy you dug it! I’ll still be releasing smaller projects for the foreseeable future though, and if I find another topic I’m this passionate about and find the time for it, I’ll be happy to make another larger commentary vid
The amount of effort that's been put into this video is staggering. And greatly appreciated!
I’m glad it all paid off! Thanks 🙏
me looking at ds3 in my steam library after watching this amazing vid:
just as i thought i was out, they've pulled me back in!
Actual fucking banger video. Amazing from start to finish and hope to see more like this in the future.
Finally the content ive been waiting for 😩
Ziggy back in 2019 made me a believer, and now a build tagg has no lkls is a build that's incomplete
been invading with it ever since, and I'd love to see more people use this weapon, it's so fun!!
It is!! Thanks for the comment 🎉
The editing on this video is incredible. Wow. Great work!
The fact that the work ended up being worth it is so gratifying. Thanks!
landing 360° longspear heavy with counter damage is peak souls pvp
Aquamarine and LKLS are one of those weapons that are the best-underrated metas in DS3. I realized in time that these weapons are very entertaining to use and sit around the A tier weapons. I hate most players using RKSS and PKCS all the damn time. I wished more weapons were like these, having pros and cons. I see LKLS more like a defensive weapon and using it offensively can be quite complicated compared to RKS.
By the way this video feels like I am watching Dangitjm. Amazing video!
Yeah LKLS def fits in the A-tier as a godlike defensive weapon - that said, its offense is also a bit better than most people give it credit for. It just requires more risk-taking and smart play, particularly with max range R2 pokes, good use of Charge for predictive trades and gap-closing, and the running R1 to open people up and set up your combos. That frame 1 option alone can totally change the pace of a fight, particularly against reactive folks who want to play passive as a counter to the LKLS’ defensive toolset.
Add on the interplay between the long range R2 and the up-close R1 nuke, and it becomes clear that the LKLS ability to push opponents and generate offensive momentum is truly in the player’s hands. The more you practice, the more work this moveset will do for you - perhaps moreso than almost any other weapon. And that’s just so cool to me.
Thanks for the comment and glad you enjoyed!
as a spear enthusiast, this video and its editing made my day o7
An insanely well edited video, Fel. Everything down to the names of the different parts of the video was sooooo stylish!
Thanks so much! I do like my title cards 😁 Glad the effort paid off
When I saw this video in my recommended list, I wasn't expecting it to crack right into Next Grips in the first minute
This shit is goin hard as hell already, super diggin it so far
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Damn, what a thoroughly well made and great video! Really good work.
This has some great editing, funny jokes, excellent information. I only got into DS3 late into its cycle, so ER has taken a lot of my time but this really makes me want to go back to Lothric. Thanks a lot for the hard work. Subscribed.
Cheers, thanks Ian ✌️
Looks like I need to reinstall and get back to it. Great work as always
I don't play DS3 PvP at all but I play fighting games and this topic + editing style is right up my alley. This seriously rules.
Awesome to hear I could appeal to the FGC crowd! I enjoy watching FGs but have no real experience w them, only ever played Smash and a tiny bit of SF6. But I find the lingo super useful and (in moderation!) fitting for Souls games PvP. I think these games are far from competitive but they ARE wild fun, esp invasions. Can’t get that experience anywhere else
Alright. New Character created. First DS3 playthrough in more than two years. I will do what I can to apply this.
Hell yeah Eiroth 💗
THIS WAS THE BEST WEAPON GUIDE I HAVE EVER SEEN!!
How the hell does this have less than 10k views?! Honestly, it's a fantastic video and more people should see it! My only critique would be to shorten the intro just a bit.
After playing and finishing DS3 as my first souls game with the line "Let's see how 'hard' this game is", I read Berserk, then I played all souls games; I love DSR so much (Ash Lake my beloved), DS2SotFS Frozen Eleum Loyce and Burnt Ivory King is presenting-wise top notch while Fume Knight as fight-wise, I have finished Elden Ring multiple times both with and without randomizers, together with and without friends. I love fashion souls, I live for it. I have hundreds of hours in DS3, and I played through with love and passion. I love being a sunbro and help people out, I once cosplayed as Solaire to help people beat the game in DS3... This video sparked joy in me through every minute of it. Everything i want from these games is to make me feel love towards them. Let me love you as much as i want to Dark Souls (Yes, this is my love letter to the games as well as to this wonderful creator and his video). I will return back to Dark Souls 3 with my buddy after he gets his new pc, good ol' times :')
Hope you and your buddy have fun!
@@Felicificity
I recently replayed dark souls 3. I never really got into the PVP of these games until this last year, and I haven't played DS3 since 2020 (and not frequently since around the time the ringed city was still big).
I got a LKLS drop on one of my first knight kills and immediately on testing it out and seeing the tracking and timing on its R2, I was thinking "okay so this must be an incredible PVP weapon right?". I was baffled by the tracking and range. But I didn't look into the PvP meta at all to follow up that thought, I just assumed it must be true.
Now I get this video recommended in my feed, and I get to experience the "wait really?" moment of learning it's not popular in PvP, while also feeling validated by someone explaining why "well actually" it is a PvP monster for many of the same reasons I'd assumed initiallty.
The editing, commentary, clips, and format here are sublime, this is a masterpiece of a video
Your instincts were spot on. It’s a beast of a weapon! Glad you gave it a shot and hope you continue to use it (if you come back to Lothric) and have fun
You really made one of the soul crushing games look fun, hat's off to you.
It’s just fun! Give it another shot 😁
looks like I'm firin up the ole video game after all. Great video!
It's Long Long man all over again, i am in love...
The production value on this video, my goodness! To be frank, how dare you?
I’m not going to be playing DS3 PvP with any level of seriousness ever again, but I do enjoy these exposé videos on underrepresented weapons, like Nino’s on the Executioner Greatsword, and now this one.
I saw your Pick & Poker video a while back, which more than earned my sub, but this is a whole new ballpark, in my opinion.
The editing, the graphics, and the quality are all a step up.
LKLS is an R2 weapon in an R1 game, ha!
I do believe that R1s are genuinely the optimal strategy in duels. Why combo your opponent to death with unique ideas when you can just R1-R1 whiff-punish them three or four times? Or even just pressure them with PKCS if you’re Bdubs or Assassin? But this is far more interesting, and it looks like such a blast. I wish I still had the spark, or at least enough enthusiasm to try the Long Spear.
Angeluso has a fantastic video on escaping what are considered true combos with unorthodox actions, such as weapon arts like perseverance or parries: Gundyr’s R1-WA and even some Splitleaf combos are technically escapable, though some are unpunishable. Pretty interesting and worth a watch.
Ah, alright, then. You know of Angeluso, so you’ve most certainly seen it.
I wish there was more research of this caliber when I actually enjoyed DS3, before all the nonsense (looking at you, estus cancel, unscaled phantoms, and cheaters, and the many facets and permutations of the bow glitch.)
I’m glad the algorithm does seem to be pushing this; it has more views than you have subscribers, which is pretty uncommon, especially for such a long and in-depth weapon review.
Thanks for sharing all your thoughts, and I’m glad the video has even surpassed my previously best known work. I was worried it would be a shakier sophomore effort, but it seems to have resonated with people! 😁
To your question, standing at midrange and only using safe R1-R1 combos is honestly only optimal in duels imo. When healing, terrain, PvE, phantom/invader backup, and the opportunity to run all present themselves (ie. elements inherent to invasions), there are a lot more situations where doing only the safest thing is not optimal for either you or your opponent (as I’m sure you know well). It is pretty cool! It’s a huge boon to the invasions format.
One example is the running R1 - sure it may be unsafe in some circumstances, but having an unpredictable Frame 1 move with huge forward momentum and frame advantage on hit is a massive boon vs reactive/passive players. It’s an option that forces predictive plays from your opponent (whether that’s predictive rolling, blocking and strafing, etc) and having that in the back pocket helps corral your opponent into a specific course of action.
On top of all that, you have other highly important tools in your arsenal that answer key questions for invasions specifically. What do I do when people try to flank me? Well you can sweep your R2, you can lock on and let the tracking punish someone strafing or trying to BS you, you can target a single opponent with a close range R1 and use the massive hitstun as an opportunity to escape the bad situation, or even Hail Mary poisetank with Charge and delete a phantom while the host swings at you and fails to break your hyperarmor. And all these options can be combined to bait specific options from your opponents that can in turn be punished with big burst damage, which is what will win most invasions at the end of the day.
This is probably already obvious, but just thought I’d walk through my thought process on the idea of optimal plays. LKLS has a wide breadth of options and many of them are still quite useful even against tryhard opponents, which I think is super cool. Just the other day I invaded some dude canceling and glitching and BS fishing in the Woods, and my R2 tracking, offstoc support, and 2H R1/R2/WA combos and mixups completely frustrated his every approach. Even when he ran to heal I still often caught him off guard with the unpredictable running attack. Eventually I drained him of his Estus and he took off his clothes and swapped to Murky so he could quickstep to the boss fog. It was adorable.
All that said I totally understand not wanting to come back to DS3 - I’ll hold down the fort in your absence and hope we get a game in the future that scratches a similar itch.
Thanks so much for your in-depth and thought provoking comment, and glad you enjoyed!
Glad to see this. I've been eyeing this spear for a while looks wise but never got around to it for the longest time because I have been so deep in the str sauce.
That said I have a dex build now so this is if nothing else accessable for experimenting without making a whole new or respeced build.
dude, i don't play ds3 anymore, but i like the passion that you made this weapon review.
Aweseome video, makes me miss the peak of DS3
This video is gonna blow up - glad to witness before it does
now that im not playing games and high time to watch this video again and actually pay attention
I like to run great spear with frost weapon and a fire infused offhand rapier. Resetting the frost, then procking it again with the weapon art is so much fun.
That sounds really fun! On my frost focused Str builds I also like to keep an offhand Ringed Knight Sword for a similar reason - it still scales partly with Str, but it also includes a small bit of fire damage for frost resets. It’s quite potent, and I think it would also suit a frost-buffed Lance or LKLS. Especially on a quality build
Some good ds3 content ,just what I was looking for !
1. Watch amazing, informative video.
2. Dig a LKLS out of the storage box.
3. ???
4. P(R2)ofit!
This is the way
(Thank you gummey!!)
i use lkls a lot and i didn't know about the R2 into throwing knife 🤯
or the block cancel r1r1!
and now i'm enlightened on the ultra pain train. beautiful video
So many weird little things most folks never even notice, but they’re game-changers! I love that abt DS3 weapons