Chris Alhanouch Dust lights on the rear are a must when running in a group. I speak from experience. Luckily, the guy behind me stopped before major damage occurred; he hit my trailer hitch.
Teo P a solid front axle never rides as smooth as and independent front suspension. Solid is stronger than cvt axles though. The Ram has way more ground clearance too which makes it less smooth. The Ram would out craw the Ford.
@@samsonreynolds3728 True, it's also how dampened the shocks are, and weight of the vehicle. I don't know about crawling though, the Ram looks cumbersome and rigid, the Raptor agile. Cheers 👍
The Raptor driver was driving like a nut sending mud in the power wagon windshield like a 5 years old ! Don't ask yourself why the the ram was driving scared !
1badpete999 well he says it all when he says “ Thats what nice about a truck like this, that we are not exceeding the limits or even coming close to them” Then what is the point of buying a Power Wagon if your not going to use it to its full potential? Just get a basic ram 1500
@@enigma9789 which is why you never compare or test these two trucks together. I have a Power Wagon myself and would never race it, that truck is designed more for work and play in the Rocky trails the latter is a 1/2-ton built for high speed desert run and a little bit of trail fun.
I traded my Raptor for my Power Wagon, I thought I would miss the Raptor but I absolutely have no regrets. I was rarely able to take my Raptor to a location to do Baja stuff and it had a hard time fitting down roads in the mountains where I live. The Power Wagon fits and climbs better, plus it seats 6 like I needed and does fine in the dunes when we go, if I lived by the dunes then the Raptor would have made sense but for me, Power Wagon is better.
If Ram invested more money in the Rebel it could easily compete with the Raptor. Interior wise it’s already there, and engine options, well nothing beats a Hemi. But you can’t compare a $45K msrp to a $75K msrp. One thing I’ve always wanted to see out of the Rebel is a wider body like the Raptors. If the Rebel has that wider stance and better suspension I don’t see how the Raptor would be better other than by name honestly.
I really enjoy watching the comparison videos but feel this was lop sided a bit in favor of the raptor. Both trucks are excellent, well engineered, and high quality. Both do the specific/specialty job they were designed for and set the bar HIGH for the rest of the competition. I mean they've done a lot of innovative things, r and d, and simply have millions of miles of proven accomplishments to back both trucks. Ford and Ram are the top two factory off road contenders hands down. But... I am waiting for my brand new custom ordered red 2019 power wagon to arrive in the next few weeks. More traditional off roading suites my needs more so than high speed baja racing. Although the Raptors are pretty dang cool.
It's not a great video. If you understand truck classes this isn't meant to happen. That Power Wagon belongs to a higher tier while the Raptor is a lower tier for their weight ratings. As always I'm fond of people comparing apples to oranges.
@@1234567890ZETA LMAO - "this isn't meant to happen" - are you joking? Who gives a crap about tiers. Enjoy a video even if pits an apple against an orange. It might be fun to watch if you stop with the "this can't be happening" mentality. Just because you spent all your money on a Power Wagon and can't stand to watch it be compared with other trucks, don't hate on them. You should rethink saying videos are not good when you look at your own Power Wagon and Lego videos.
I take it that ground clearance was measured in the middle of the vehicle. Thus being the max ground clearance and not minimum ground clearance measured from the lowest hanging part which is typically the rear diff.
Loved the video - looked like a lot of fun. I would probably go with the Raptor just based on handling high speeds vs. terrain as well as preference of the Ford looks and interior, but both off-road trucks look great to me. That Ram ipad looking dash doesn't quite do it for me though.
i just wish the raptor had the towing capacity. We bought a trailer to do a year on the road and are in the process of buying a truck. raptor would be nearly maxed out towing our little 26 foot trailer. Power wagon would handle it no problem. If the raptor could tow 10k it would be a no brainer for anyone.
If you want to know the real world off road difference between those two, listen to the segment at 11:40 where the guy in the Power Wagon's voice is trembling as he bounces off the rocks, immediately followed buy the guy in the Raptor saying "it's bumpy" over (presumably) the same road and he's not being jostled around at all.
C'mon boys where was the harder terrain? You basically raced through sand which is all the Raptor excels at. And go easy on the staged dialogue, it's cringe AF
@@georgefunes4535 yes cheap. Like my buddy's 2019 raptor has already had its GM made 10 speed transmission replaced, the transfer case replaced and the differential. Fucking trash!
I also took delivery of a 2019 Power Wagon fully loaded after test driving 8 trucks to include the loaded Raptor, which was just over $70K. After extensive test drives the Power Wagon set itself apart with all it's features and the amazing new interior! I have already taken it off road just outside Seattle, and even used the winch, and I cannot begin to describe the awesomeness of the Power Wagon!
@@MrLuckycentury Ours does exceptionally well in the back country. We have taken ours in some pretty risky shit like traversing a glaciated creek. Alaska throws some pretty crazy shit at ya and so far the Power Wagon has not failed.
Wood Heat ,,,,GM transmission? Aaah wrong,,it’s Chev who is using the Ford designed 10 speed transmission. Hooo,,,,and enjoy your Mexican made Italian pickup.
I need to upgrade my 2500 to the power wagon suspension. If I were to take mine on a road like that I’d have a concussion from hitting my head on the roof.
Ummmmm... I have a 2018 ram power wagon and it takes forever to get the differentials locked. Also you have to be in 4 low for them to engage. Did they change something here because you said it had to be in 4 high and while you were engaging the lockers you were going pretty fast.
Carlos says why would you want to TOW a toy when your truck is the Toy. I would think many people might be towing a trailer to go camping off road. Am I not thinking straight?
If you pay 90K Canadian dollars for a Raptor it should tow much more, and the miniature center console display like you see in cheap korean cars imports ! Lets just say the raptor is still ahead but with the new 2018-2019 Ram they are getting close to the ford bumper, Ford should redesign their inside !
Couple quick qeustions: did the raptor have the torsen front option? Did you air down on either? It's nice for the raptor, but it's a must for the power wagon because their stock pressures are waaay too high for off roading on account of it being a 3/4 ton and meant for loading. One more comment - can you talk about that claimed 14.2 inches of ground clearance on the ram? It's got 33 inch tires and an 11.5 inch rear ring gear in a solid axle housing. the math doesn't add up. 33/2 = 16.5 inches. 11.5/2 = 5.75 inches. 16.5 - 5.75 =/= 10.75 inches from ground to the bottom of the rear ring...to say nothing of the housing. What are you trying to pull ram?
The Raptor has a bit more clearance under the ring gear yes, I don't take it these guys actually know anything about these sorts of things though, most likely just read the brochure and then go filming. The PW has more bumper/body clearance though which may have them mixed up.
@@WilliamStewart1 i know Dan actually knows his way around a truck, but sometimes i think even the best will simply take the manufacturer at their word
@@2003evodave as an option. From the Ford media site "Final drive front axle ratio (optional) 4.10:1 w/TORSEN® Differential" the standard front is a 4:10 open. Also a torsen isn't a posi. Different technologies, both lsds
why when comparing the raptor do they always mention the raptor not having a front locking diff but always fail to mention it does have a front torsen limited slip diff which is not far off from a locking diff in capabilities?
Unless its changed for 2019, my 2016 PW can use the lockers in low range only. and I know this is just a grab and go review comparison, but for things like washboarding and anything on the trail, I air my tires down to 30 PSI when on dirt, the PW has special rims to resist bead disengagement(not bead locks) this helps TREMENDOUSLY with the whoops and washboards, since the factory tires are an HD light truck tire they use a pressure thats typically good for roads but not for off road.
So much more off roading to be done. Sand dunes and deep snow. I use my power wagon to pull my toyhauler into the beach sand dunes. Where the lockers help a bunch.
JeepCherokeeful Agreed. It would been biased to begin with all they did was drive through the desert which is what the Raptor is made to do. Outside of that the Raptor isn’t anymore off-road capable than the Ram Rebel and Chevy Trail Boss. Meanwhile the PW is built more like a HD Jeep, it’s not made for high speed desert racing. Its made to get places everyone else can’t
How can we get to see 5Liter challenge/drag-race between; 2020 GMC Sierra 5.3/10speed, 2020 Ford &150 5.0/10speed, 2020 Ram 5.7, 2020 Nissan Titan 5.7, 2020 Toyota Tundra 5.6, 2020 Chevy Silverado 5.3/10speed
So is it safe to say that Ford has better off roading trucks across the board ( F150 FX4 package). I'm asking cause I'm looking at the FX4 or Tundra TRD Off-road or Pro
Without taking a single thing away from the Ram, you guys weren't quite honest about the Raptor you tested having a front Torsen mechanical limited slip that works VERY well.... And the Torsen can be ordered as a stand alone option for only about $450 in the lower option groups.I agree with others in hoping to see more trail crawling...The Ram would finally outdo the Raptor as the rock crawling got more intense, but with the front LSD diff you and maybe some viewers would be surprised how well the Raptor would do...that is if you can get the oversized F150 to fit down some slimmer trails!...Full disclosure: I own a 18' Raptor but think the Ram is in a class of its own in the conventional 4wd full size truck market..and of course a class leading interior...Thank for the video guys! :)
I liked the colume shifter as well, but to be fair they where notorious for problems, and I havent heard about any problems with the dial so far, I think the tradesman power wagon still offers the colume shifter.
SKULL0FD3ATH not any more. If you get an 8 speed you get a dial. Only 6 speeds have the column. The column shifter doesn’t work with the zf8. I would rather have the bad ass 8 and a dial imo.
Samson Reynolds same I would like both as well, was hoping they would have the dial was only a option, but car journalists bitch constantly how vehicles need more tech and imho I think we need less of it, because if we keep going this route every single vehicle is going to rely on tech like the damn shitty land rovers.
Judging by the way the RAM was shaking when driving on the moguls, to me this review was like comparing a light weight fighter with a heavy weight one, in fact I'm very surprise the RAM made it back in one piece!
Carlos Lago Yea but the Power Wagon is more like a heavy duty Jeep truck. It’s more at home crawling over rough terrain than blasting through the desert.
Thatsl sierra at4 is real nice and powerful but you are right. GM interiors will never compare because they will mever wake up. But you could easily throw that at4 in this video
@@steezymk8815 Me too I'm done with GM and their incompetence! All they can give us is the 6.2...that's it?! And the design of their trucks is if 2 different people design both front and rear.
Assuming it was the washed out course that foiled this test, yet still it appears there were opportunities in the area to show some more technical terrain or off road trails to test the limits of what these types of trucks are capable of and perhaps reach their limits. What you showed was a walk in the park for either truck, barely scratching the surface of their respective capabilities. It still managed to be a fun video to watch however.
I had a raptor in my comment is not fast enough! So I traded it in and eventually went for a 2019 Ford super crew Roush with the 5.0 supercharged motor and now that brought the fun back
On two occasions I have actually seen the Raptor be better than the Powerwagon crawling up steep grades in test drives. It had the testers a bit confused. The Raptor diff can be locked up front as well by depressing the brakes which is a feature of the torsen diff. The raptors suspension gives it more bite when climbing and having no diff hanging down up front allows it to get through mud better as well. It also has very good articulation but not as good as Power wagon. So the Power wagon is really only better at 1 aspect off road and even then not by much. 9 out 10 scenarios have the Raptor being superior. Unless you count the winch. And then there is the work ability which is far and away superior in the Wagon. If just off roading get a Raptor, if you want more than a toy get a Wagon
Falcon 4917 I’ve heard the ride is a lot better in the Raptor on the road than the Power Wagon as well which makes a big difference , besides the fact that the Raptor retains its value better. I drive a 2016 Rebel and was hoping to upgrade to a 2020 Rebel (when the time comes) but for $150 more per month I can have a Raptor which won’t depreciate as poorly.
@@mjg6377 yeah forgot about ride quality. Depreciation is a big factor as well. I agree. The Raptor truly is a standalone when it comes to trucks and not all that many people need 3/4 ton capabilities
@@Falcon-mc5fs If you play in areas with rocks/off camber scenarios the Power Wagon will keep going where as the Raptor will stop. I'm not sure what you're talking about with the Gen 2 Raptor having a lockable front. Go try doing an off camber obstacle climb, the front will one wheelie peely all day no matter what you do with your brake pedal.
@@WilliamStewart1 no the one wheel peele won't happen if you depress the brake and throttle at the same time. It is a lock that is used only on torsen diffs. Even the gen 1 had the feature. The Hummer H1 has the same feature. There is a group in Arizona that runs raptors in rock crawling tours. The only true advantage off road for the power wagon is articulation.
The other day I saw a Ford Raptor cruising on the Autobahn! That thing is huge! No wonder why they say “Murica” back in the USA 🇺🇸
Ma in germania o qui in Italia?
Andrea Era in Germania.
@@Leo-bz8kg Eh li sono appassionati di auto americane , li ho visto un convoglio di 4 f-350 con carrello dietro :)
I'm American, 70. That's in the south where boys are boys and sisters are scared.
Mike Btrfld Scared of their brothers big dick
Poor guy in the ram had zeeeerooo confidence!!
And know how
Need a better driver in the power wagon disable the traction control and it does great donuts
Yeah the guy in the power wagon has no clue what’s going on. He was lookin scared and worried haha
6:06 Carlos hit the raptors so hard that tv screen even blacked out 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Two different animals. But you have to admit for being a heavier truck the power wagon can still keep up
JR I don’t think it really could if this was a real Baja race lol
Realistically what are the odds of needing to race in the sand lol. For real work use it serves its purpose and so does the raptor.!
matt I don't know that raptor was all over.
Zachary Hart facts the raptor was sideways coming outta the puddles and the power wagon almost hit em
Chris Alhanouch Dust lights on the rear are a must when running in a group. I speak from experience. Luckily, the guy behind me stopped before major damage occurred; he hit my trailer hitch.
The sheer difference in how the Ford absorbs the terrain at both high and low speeds, is unbelievable
Teo P a solid front axle never rides as smooth as and independent front suspension. Solid is stronger than cvt axles though. The Ram has way more ground clearance too which makes it less smooth. The Ram would out craw the Ford.
@@samsonreynolds3728
True, it's also how dampened the shocks are, and weight of the vehicle.
I don't know about crawling though, the Ram looks cumbersome and rigid, the Raptor agile.
Cheers 👍
Teo P Ram has disconnecting sway bars a lot more ground clearance a wench among other things
Teo P going fast has nothing to do with off road capability. If you try to be quick and agile over big rocks you’re going to break a lot of stuff.
@@samsonreynolds3728
Aye, fair enough.
It is built for Baja style offroading after all. 👍
Have had my Gen2 Raptor since Feb. 2017 and have put over 60 K miles on it...still puts a smile on my face everyday :)
6:03 Did the raptors screen just take a dump on that bump?
For better immersion
the raptor is good looking
On the outside only because the inside with ford small display console looks like a Hyundai display !
NO, is perfect looking. love it
I took a rented 2016 Buick Regal on trails in Colorado and New Mexico tougher than these trails. Denver to Taos over the mountains.
😂
My 2000 Dakota could have done those trails.....
I think you need a different person driving the Power Wagon, that was straight grandpa. Worried about everything lol
The Raptor driver was driving like a nut sending mud in the power wagon windshield like a 5 years old ! Don't ask yourself why the the ram was driving scared !
1badpete999 well he says it all when he says “ Thats what nice about a truck like this, that we are not exceeding the limits or even coming close to them”
Then what is the point of buying a Power Wagon if your not going to use it to its full potential? Just get a basic ram 1500
Don't say he was worried.. he was so caring about the car he's driving
Power Wagon all day. You can get a tradesmen trim level with the power wagon package for way less that 60k.
Carlos Lago! I kept thinking what sounds so familiar with this review. Good to see you man.
I would take either one
I agree 100% with that
The raptor is in its terrain right now, and yet the power wagon is still keeping up, thats impressive!
uh no. the guys were staying together. the Raptor would have been miles ahead if they were going all out.
@@enigma9789 which is why you never compare or test these two trucks together. I have a Power Wagon myself and would never race it, that truck is designed more for work and play in the Rocky trails the latter is a 1/2-ton built for high speed desert run and a little bit of trail fun.
enigma9789 the raptor lost control every time it came out of a puddle. Rewatch the video.
The Power Wagon looks like a freight train plowing through the mud.
Power wagon don't care
@@PankajMohan
honey badger
And the power wagon has electronic controlled swap bar disconnect
Top two trucks right now
If dealers weren't asking $10k over MSRP I'd get the raptor but next tax season it's the power wagon for me
I hope you enjoy the oil change on that Bugatta: the dealers charge $17,0000 to do it.
You could get $5,000 off on the 2019 Raptor if you come to Big Star Ford in Pearland Texas.
Power Wagon don’t care!!!
Brian Djordjevic tfl reference
Over MSRP of course 😆
Brian Djordjevic don’t care
It does care if you don't know how to turn on the lockers. RTFM
@@k53847 It has a limited slip/locker combo. Still not nearly as good as when fully locked but still works surprisingly well.
Where was this filmed? I want to take my truck out these roads
Red Rock Canyon in CA.
@@Lena-vq9fo Awesome! Thanks! 🤙
I would have to say the power wagon is better at slow rock climbing like Moab
carli makes a spring shock combo that lets it go as fast and smooth as the raptor if not better
Woah. Close call @6:45 .
you guys needed to switch trucks for a while.
Awesome review
Power wagon is more like, work during the week and play in the mud on the weekends
Robert De La Rosa yup. Raptor is more like play in the mud during the week and do the same on the weekends😂😂😂 I love this kind of truck
I traded my Raptor for my Power Wagon, I thought I would miss the Raptor but I absolutely have no regrets. I was rarely able to take my Raptor to a location to do Baja stuff and it had a hard time fitting down roads in the mountains where I live. The Power Wagon fits and climbs better, plus it seats 6 like I needed and does fine in the dunes when we go, if I lived by the dunes then the Raptor would have made sense but for me, Power Wagon is better.
Great content guys !
"The rain washed out the trail we were going to take" uh , that IS THE trail you should now definitely take ! 😏
If Ram invested more money in the Rebel it could easily compete with the Raptor. Interior wise it’s already there, and engine options, well nothing beats a Hemi. But you can’t compare a $45K msrp to a $75K msrp.
One thing I’ve always wanted to see out of the Rebel is a wider body like the Raptors. If the Rebel has that wider stance and better suspension I don’t see how the Raptor would be better other than by name honestly.
Sorry but the ram is higher than 45,000 starting price.
I really love that Ram
Very fun video to watch! 👍
I'd only take the Wagon if I had to work with it.
I have a ram 2500 with 37s and it's a beast in the desert
I really enjoy watching the comparison videos but feel this was lop sided a bit in favor of the raptor. Both trucks are excellent, well engineered, and high quality. Both do the specific/specialty job they were designed for and set the bar HIGH for the rest of the competition. I mean they've done a lot of innovative things, r and d, and simply have millions of miles of proven accomplishments to back both trucks. Ford and Ram are the top two factory off road contenders hands down. But... I am waiting for my brand new custom ordered red 2019 power wagon to arrive in the next few weeks. More traditional off roading suites my needs more so than high speed baja racing. Although the Raptors are pretty dang cool.
Very nice comparo Edmunds! Very high quality vid!
power wagon ftw because bits capable of doing a lot of things specially on towing heavy trailers. Beautiful interior too.
6:50 whats up with the ram front bumper🤔
Great video 👍🏻
Great video. Solid comparison.
Did you have a preference for which truck you would want to own?
Batman would buy both to make his own BatTruck
It's not a great video. If you understand truck classes this isn't meant to happen. That Power Wagon belongs to a higher tier while the Raptor is a lower tier for their weight ratings. As always I'm fond of people comparing apples to oranges.
They should have done some rock crawling like the power wagon is made for.
@@1234567890ZETA LMAO - "this isn't meant to happen" - are you joking? Who gives a crap about tiers. Enjoy a video even if pits an apple against an orange. It might be fun to watch if you stop with the "this can't be happening" mentality. Just because you spent all your money on a Power Wagon and can't stand to watch it be compared with other trucks, don't hate on them. You should rethink saying videos are not good when you look at your own Power Wagon and Lego videos.
Love the Raptor all around except towing. Great comparison/review video, Carlos.
I take it that ground clearance was measured in the middle of the vehicle. Thus being the max ground clearance and not minimum ground clearance measured from the lowest hanging part which is typically the rear diff.
It should be the minimum aka rear diff or rear struts.
Ground clearance is always measured at the lowest hanging point.
@@nicholassmith7048 Good
17:25 Hillary for Prison Info Wars sticker lololololol
Thank u. It hard to find video where u see these big rigs getting trashed. Awesome.
Good to see Carlos again!
One of the best off road tests I’ve ever watched! Well done Guys
Loved the video - looked like a lot of fun. I would probably go with the Raptor just based on handling high speeds vs. terrain as well as preference of the Ford looks and interior, but both off-road trucks look great to me. That Ram ipad looking dash doesn't quite do it for me though.
i just wish the raptor had the towing capacity. We bought a trailer to do a year on the road and are in the process of buying a truck. raptor would be nearly maxed out towing our little 26 foot trailer. Power wagon would handle it no problem. If the raptor could tow 10k it would be a no brainer for anyone.
Andrew Lentz no brainer for me would be the powerwagen.
More videos like this please.
An aspect of the Power Wagon I like is the front bench seat, cuz now and then when you're off-roading, you need to get out the other side...
Yes, bucket seats are for mustang's bench seat let's the girlfriend slide over next to you.
If you want to know the real world off road difference between those two, listen to the segment at 11:40 where the guy in the Power Wagon's voice is trembling as he bounces off the rocks, immediately followed buy the guy in the Raptor saying "it's bumpy" over (presumably) the same road and he's not being jostled around at all.
What location did they go off-roading?
2 badass trucks I think good video guy's
Power wagon hands down
Power Wagon every time! Can’t remember the the last time I needed to blast through the desert on my way to work. Practical over play in my book.
Fuel consumption ?
C'mon boys where was the harder terrain? You basically raced through sand which is all the Raptor excels at. And go easy on the staged dialogue, it's cringe AF
Just bought a 2019 Power Wagon yesterday. Checked out the Raptor but the wife and I wanted a truck not a Tonka toy. The Raptor felt cheap.
You thought a Raptor felt "cheap"?
I don't think you are using the right word...
@@georgefunes4535 yes cheap. Like my buddy's 2019 raptor has already had its GM made 10 speed transmission replaced, the transfer case replaced and the differential. Fucking trash!
I also took delivery of a 2019 Power Wagon fully loaded after test driving 8 trucks to include the loaded Raptor, which was just over $70K. After extensive test drives the Power Wagon set itself apart with all it's features and the amazing new interior! I have already taken it off road just outside Seattle, and even used the winch, and I cannot begin to describe the awesomeness of the Power Wagon!
@@MrLuckycentury Ours does exceptionally well in the back country. We have taken ours in some pretty risky shit like traversing a glaciated creek. Alaska throws some pretty crazy shit at ya and so far the Power Wagon has not failed.
Wood Heat ,,,,GM transmission? Aaah wrong,,it’s Chev who is using the Ford designed 10 speed transmission.
Hooo,,,,and enjoy your Mexican made Italian pickup.
I need to upgrade my 2500 to the power wagon suspension. If I were to take mine on a road like that I’d have a concussion from hitting my head on the roof.
no you get a carli kit run with raptor all day
Ummmmm... I have a 2018 ram power wagon and it takes forever to get the differentials locked. Also you have to be in 4 low for them to engage. Did they change something here because you said it had to be in 4 high and while you were engaging the lockers you were going pretty fast.
Why would you want lockers when going fast? The lockers are for helping you rock crawl and what no.
Carlos says why would you want to TOW a toy when your truck is the Toy. I would think many people might be towing a trailer to go camping off road. Am I not thinking straight?
If you pay 90K Canadian dollars for a Raptor it should tow much more, and the miniature center console display like you see in cheap korean cars imports ! Lets just say the raptor is still ahead but with the new 2018-2019 Ram they are getting close to the ford bumper, Ford should redesign their inside !
rule of thumb you don't play with what got you there or you might stay there .......................................
you guys need a better communication system.
Yeah, those talkies don't really go with driving off-road or just driving.
@@joshmiller1640 both hands on the wheel at all times.lol.
Couple quick qeustions: did the raptor have the torsen front option? Did you air down on either? It's nice for the raptor, but it's a must for the power wagon because their stock pressures are waaay too high for off roading on account of it being a 3/4 ton and meant for loading. One more comment - can you talk about that claimed 14.2 inches of ground clearance on the ram? It's got 33 inch tires and an 11.5 inch rear ring gear in a solid axle housing. the math doesn't add up. 33/2 = 16.5 inches. 11.5/2 = 5.75 inches. 16.5 - 5.75 =/= 10.75 inches from ground to the bottom of the rear ring...to say nothing of the housing. What are you trying to pull ram?
The Raptor has a bit more clearance under the ring gear yes, I don't take it these guys actually know anything about these sorts of things though, most likely just read the brochure and then go filming. The PW has more bumper/body clearance though which may have them mixed up.
@@WilliamStewart1 i know Dan actually knows his way around a truck, but sometimes i think even the best will simply take the manufacturer at their word
All Gen 2 Raptors have the Torsen posi front axle.
@@2003evodave as an option. From the Ford media site "Final drive front axle ratio (optional) 4.10:1 w/TORSEN® Differential" the standard front is a 4:10 open. Also a torsen isn't a posi. Different technologies, both lsds
Anyone know where in CA they were at?
EDIT: NVM, figured it out @ 8:50
why when comparing the raptor do they always mention the raptor not having a front locking diff but always fail to mention it does have a front torsen limited slip diff which is not far off from a locking diff in capabilities?
I ready for that trx ram to get here
That's gonna be a Raptor killer.
I own a Gen Raptor , but you just might be right...
Darius Hope the trx will be the next monster to beat! If Ram stays true to the concept that is.... they like to bait and switch.
Word! Can’t wait
For me, I'd pick the Ram, it can tow more and do more than just be a toy.
true that power wagon is amazing but it comes no where near the performance of the raptor in the desert and how much fun it can be
Unless its changed for 2019, my 2016 PW can use the lockers in low range only. and I know this is just a grab and go review comparison, but for things like washboarding and anything on the trail, I air my tires down to 30 PSI when on dirt, the PW has special rims to resist bead disengagement(not bead locks) this helps TREMENDOUSLY with the whoops and washboards, since the factory tires are an HD light truck tire they use a pressure thats typically good for roads but not for off road.
Raptor vs. Rivian. It's coming and it sounds like a great movie. I'm making popcorn...
Did the 19 Power Wagon have a front camera option?
But are they going to last me a while before i have to start fixing things??
lil layzie93 no lol
Nothing lasts when you play to hard with it. Though 2500 suspension might last a little longer.
Power wagon should last longer since its using Heavy Duty truck parts, where the raptor is using full size.
6:46 came close
6:45 That power wagon was about to plow through that whimpy raptor!
💪
So much more off roading to be done. Sand dunes and deep snow. I use my power wagon to pull my toyhauler into the beach sand dunes. Where the lockers help a bunch.
One power wagon please
Didn’t they have a Raptor with the optional Torsten limited front?
They all have it because it come in the 802A luxury packag and that’s all dealers order is fully loaded ones.
Bad, so called “journalism” I guess. Although we don’t even know if they are journalists.
JeepCherokeeful Agreed. It would been biased to begin with all they did was drive through the desert which is what the Raptor is made to do.
Outside of that the Raptor isn’t anymore off-road capable than the Ram Rebel and Chevy Trail Boss.
Meanwhile the PW is built more like a HD Jeep, it’s not made for high speed desert racing. Its made to get places everyone else can’t
How can we get to see 5Liter challenge/drag-race between;
2020 GMC Sierra 5.3/10speed,
2020 Ford &150 5.0/10speed,
2020 Ram 5.7,
2020 Nissan Titan 5.7,
2020 Toyota Tundra 5.6,
2020 Chevy Silverado 5.3/10speed
wow the raptor made everything look so easy. Technology is great. Thanks for a very entertaining video
So is it safe to say that Ford has better off roading trucks across the board ( F150 FX4 package). I'm asking cause I'm looking at the FX4 or Tundra TRD Off-road or Pro
Without taking a single thing away from the Ram, you guys weren't quite honest about the Raptor you tested having a front Torsen mechanical limited slip that works VERY well.... And the Torsen can be ordered as a stand alone option for only about $450 in the lower option groups.I agree with others in hoping to see more trail crawling...The Ram would finally outdo the Raptor as the rock crawling got more intense, but with the front LSD diff you and maybe some viewers would be surprised how well the Raptor would do...that is if you can get the oversized F150 to fit down some slimmer trails!...Full disclosure: I own a 18' Raptor but think the Ram is in a class of its own in the conventional 4wd full size truck market..and of course a class leading interior...Thank for the video guys! :)
5.9 meters 😦 no wonder nonody buys these trucks here in europe
What is the curb weight of the RAM ?
Like 7000lbs. Maybe a bit more.
Andrea good thing no one cares.
Can't afford euro salary and gas price. These beast are made for MURICA
What's the location of these trails you went on?
What possessed Ram to have a knob in lieu of a gear shifter?
Centredoorplugs Thornton I hate column shift. I always go one too far or too high. The dial is so easy. Just a flick of the wrist.
I liked the colume shifter as well, but to be fair they where notorious for problems, and I havent heard about any problems with the dial so far, I think the tradesman power wagon still offers the colume shifter.
SKULL0FD3ATH not any more. If you get an 8 speed you get a dial. Only 6 speeds have the column. The column shifter doesn’t work with the zf8. I would rather have the bad ass 8 and a dial imo.
Samson Reynolds same I would like both as well, was hoping they would have the dial was only a option, but car journalists bitch constantly how vehicles need more tech and imho I think we need less of it, because if we keep going this route every single vehicle is going to rely on tech like the damn shitty land rovers.
Only thing I can complain about with my new PW.
Judging by the way the RAM was shaking when driving on the moguls, to me this review was like comparing a light weight fighter with a heavy weight one, in fact I'm very surprise the RAM made it back in one piece!
Happy Car Reviews it’s a heavy duty truck. Way stronger than a half ton.
PW isn’t made for high speed desert running. It’s made to go over obstacles and crawl over harsh terrain like the Wrangler.
Oddly enough the power wagon is less expensive than a rubicon because of the 0% financing offered.
Wouldn’t the Ram Rebel be a better match up?
Yup!
Rebel is closer to F-150 FX4 than Raptor
Carlos Lago Yea but the Power Wagon is more like a heavy duty Jeep truck.
It’s more at home crawling over rough terrain than blasting through the desert.
Great stuff guys. .good review. .great scenes too..
Raptor 😍😍😍😍👍
This looks so fun !!! Dammit I’m so jealous
Besides a steep buy-in, fuel consumption's likely to clean your clock...
you dont buy these trucks for fuel mileage
Two great trucks 🥳You can’t go wrong either way . But you can go wrong if you get a Silverado or GMC lol 🤢🤮 😝
Ale Orozco that’s what I was going to say!
Thatsl sierra at4 is real nice and powerful but you are right. GM interiors will never compare because they will mever wake up. But you could easily throw that at4 in this video
Ed's Fortune you can’t afford a raptor or a powerwagon, I used to be a full chevy guy until the early 2000’s and I can safely say chevy is ass
@@steezymk8815 Me too I'm done with GM and their incompetence! All they can give us is the 6.2...that's it?! And the design of their trucks is if 2 different people design both front and rear.
Awesome video!
At 6:06 the screen goes off and on after that big bump.
It's ran by CD it just skipped
Assuming it was the washed out course that foiled this test, yet still it appears there were opportunities in the area to show some more technical terrain or off road trails to test the limits of what these types of trucks are capable of and perhaps reach their limits. What you showed was a walk in the park for either truck, barely scratching the surface of their respective capabilities. It still managed to be a fun video to watch however.
La diferencia de suspensión se ve en 6:52
I had a raptor in my comment is not fast enough! So I traded it in and eventually went for a 2019 Ford super crew Roush with the 5.0 supercharged motor and now that brought the fun back
finally a real offroad truck test
Could you do a video exactly like this but with the Silverado TrailBoss, that’d be so awesome.
Trail boss competes with the rebel and the fx4
@@alew3555 Really? Wow
Damn I wish we had roads like that in Ohio
It’s not a locker, but the Raptor has a Torsten limited-slip differential in the front.
Power Wagon DON'T CARE! ❤
Awesome! I love my Ram but I still haven’t seen a video where the Raptor can’t follow the Power Wagon.
On two occasions I have actually seen the Raptor be better than the Powerwagon crawling up steep grades in test drives. It had the testers a bit confused. The Raptor diff can be locked up front as well by depressing the brakes which is a feature of the torsen diff. The raptors suspension gives it more bite when climbing and having no diff hanging down up front allows it to get through mud better as well. It also has very good articulation but not as good as Power wagon. So the Power wagon is really only better at 1 aspect off road and even then not by much. 9 out 10 scenarios have the Raptor being superior. Unless you count the winch. And then there is the work ability which is far and away superior in the Wagon. If just off roading get a Raptor, if you want more than a toy get a Wagon
Falcon 4917 I’ve heard the ride is a lot better in the Raptor on the road than the Power Wagon as well which makes a big difference , besides the fact that the Raptor retains its value better.
I drive a 2016 Rebel and was hoping to upgrade to a 2020 Rebel (when the time comes) but for $150 more per month I can have a Raptor which won’t depreciate as poorly.
@@mjg6377 yeah forgot about ride quality. Depreciation is a big factor as well. I agree. The Raptor truly is a standalone when it comes to trucks and not all that many people need 3/4 ton capabilities
@@Falcon-mc5fs If you play in areas with rocks/off camber scenarios the Power Wagon will keep going where as the Raptor will stop. I'm not sure what you're talking about with the Gen 2 Raptor having a lockable front. Go try doing an off camber obstacle climb, the front will one wheelie peely all day no matter what you do with your brake pedal.
@@WilliamStewart1 no the one wheel peele won't happen if you depress the brake and throttle at the same time. It is a lock that is used only on torsen diffs. Even the gen 1 had the feature. The Hummer H1 has the same feature. There is a group in Arizona that runs raptors in rock crawling tours. The only true advantage off road for the power wagon is articulation.
I'll have the Raptor on the rocks please.
Double Oh 7 _ good luck taking it through a car wash
@@traineresports726 don't cry beta male. MAGA 2020
@Cringes I would hand wash that sucker myself. Those drive through car washes scratch up the paint badly.