Sega 32X - System History Crash Course | Jenovi W/ RGT85 - An Uplink Panel Pt 2
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- 32X - System History Crash Course | Jenovi W/ RGT85 - An Uplink Panel Pt 2.
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Well done! I LOVE my Voltron of gaming systems which is my Sega Genesis, Sega CD, 32X combo. In some ways, I wished Sega was more like Nintendo because, with the exception of the Virtual Boy, Nintendo knows how to support its platforms. Back in the day of the N64 Nintendo had their 3 pillar strategy of N64, GBA, and DS, and Nintendo was able to play to the strengths of each console and provided some great gaming experiences on each. If Sega did not have so much infighting they could have had something similar with the Sega Genesis, Game Gear, 32X & Saturn. In the very least the 32X and Saturn should have been pillars for the company with the Sega Saturn being the home of high memory next-gen games like Nights and the Panzer Dragoon series with the 32X as a home for all the 32-bit arcade games that never made it home like a true arcade version of Super Monaco GP, Rad Mobile and Golden Axe Revenge of Death Adder. The 32X also could have been home to some incredible 2D 32-bit platformers. That was money left on the table. So sad. I am still hoping with the release of the Polymega and its built-in 32X support, love for the console will be so great, indie game developers would start to make 32X game carts. I would definitely pay the money to buy a quality 32X game. Again, thank you for this. I am a big fan of both Jenovi and RGT85. At the very least I feel like as a retro console, the 32X is finally getting more respect in no small part due to videos like these. Thank you!
It's really crazy how much missed potential the 32x had. Like yeah sure whatever, Sega CD has CDs!! Ooooo!! But the 32x had solid potential to bounce off of Sega's arcade backlog, especially with those brilliant Space Harrier and After Burner ports. Augh, wish there was more forethought into that thing.
I'm so curious about what the 32x CD games were capable of when pushed to the limit. You have the dual CPUs in the 32x The Sega CD CPU and custom ASIC and the Genesis CPU. It could have been a killer 2d monster
46 MIPS plus what's in the Genesis already is overkill for placement of sprites in 2D. It's the vector graphics (and arcade scaling and rotation in software) that required the powerful SuperH.
You've got the unbridled raw horse power of the almighty 32XCD+karaoke+floppy disc/home banking system, then you use your SEGA multitap to plug in a Menacer for your strong arm and the Konami Justifier for your weak arm, you've got your Aeroblasters glove on so your grip holds tight & true, you power up the Aura interactor so u can feel every lazer blast and explosion, you plug in your Mega Modem and lower the Visor of your SEGA VR Helmet, using the Mega Mouse to select which SEGA Channel game to play, you brace yourself as you prepare to enter The Next Level!
"SEGA!"
Jenovi, I would like to commend you for that other video because you reiterate the same points here. Here what I adored.
1. You actually go into detail about the Mega Drive's failure in Japan and not just mention it in an unimportant matter.
2. You actually talk openly about the development of the Saturn and 32x. For the case of the latter, you successful went into heavy details without mentioning the 32x being a response to the jaguar.
3. You don't mention sonic at all considering the first point as well as how misleading the "Genesis Does" commercials are. Speaking of which, I admired the fact that you showed a Japanese commercial in your video instead of an American one.
4. You remained silent about the American launch of the Dreamcast and focused primarily the console's performance in Japan. It is clear you respect David Rosen who wisely questioned Sega's decision to continue their console business after the failure of the Saturn.
5. Speaking of which, you did an excellent job showing that next gen article featuring that interview with David Rosen. I paused to read over it and it was very clear that Sega should have stayed out of the console business.
6. Speaking of which, it is very obvious from your discussion that nothing, not even sonic, could stop the failure of the Saturn. Speaking of which, it is very obvious that the problems with the franchise are rooted in the failure of the console business. Here is a video that shows how dire the situation is for sonic.ua-cam.com/video/RYBTMs7x41I/v-deo.html
Thanks for that amazing comment. I’ll be sure to watch the video you linked. Keep your eyes out over the next week. My next video goes hand and hand with these videos here.
@@Jenovi Your welcome.
What you bring to the table in terms of knowledge is amazing, Jenovi. You're the type of guy I wish I was friends with growing up. There is just something about your delivery that makes me feel more connected as a viewer. I watch a lot of retro content on UA-cam and you are the first that I've seen that has ever connected the dots for me between the dual processors of the 32x, Saturn and the programming aspects. As a die-hard sega fan back in the day, this understanding wins them back some respect in my mind. After buying all the previous Sega systems and hedging my bets on the Sega Saturn being the one system to rule them all with the launch day price tag... when that failed and support dropped, I was literally completely disheartened after feeling burned by the 32x. I was the only kid in my HS with a Sega Saturn when everyone else had Playstations. Because I believed in it. And still to this day, I literally have no attachment to the Dreamcast. I've never even played one. The hype for it wasn't any different from what I experienced leading up to the Saturn. By the time I was heading off to college, I swore I would not be making that mistake again.
Anyone here from Xavier in mrs sandos class and mr whites home room lol
Great content and discussion! As a kid, I had very limited exposure to 32x. Not a single person in my sphere of friends and class mates got one or even expressed a desire to get one. At this stage we were fully transitioned fo the SNES and every time we saw a game ported to multiple platforms, SNES always looked and sounded better. Even with the 32x attachment, the CD and 32x ports really didn’t seem much better or warrant the extra cost of the attachments.
I’m not hating on the 32x, I have one and think it’s pretty cool, but I could totally live without it, and if Sega has never released it and jumped right to a slightly lower cost Saturn, the video game world might have been a very different place in the 90s.
You have made me curious to give more 32x games a fair shake. I know that Star Wars Trilogy as RGT mentioned was really good... and he’s absolutely right that Virtua Fighter looking that good on a 16bit console was pretty impressive... but it was still 16bit looking and the leap from that to the Saturn port was such a large leap.
I know I’m wrong in saying this from a technical standpoint... this was just my perception, but through my 16 year old eyes at the time, the 32x simply looked like a $150 device that gave the Genesis access to a much larger color palate and maybe could store more game data... so games would be longer and have more depth... but to me, they were still just regular Genesis games with more colors.
Seeing how quickly the 32x disappeared into the clouds of obscurity and over shadowed by the 32bit CD generation only confirmed my prejudices towards the 32x.
Your not wrong your right on the bat. Sega should have forget the 32x. Continued the last push of the genesis and sega cd. Developed SVP games for both platform till the Saturn arrives in every region. Even they could release a cart only version of the Saturn with a cd-on and/or all-in one unit the following year for regions outside of Japan.
Great talk, Jenovi. As a newly inducted member of the 32X cult, your coverage on the system has taken on a different meaning for me. I hope people will listen to and enjoy your panel with an open mind and in spite of whatever negative feelings they have toward your co-host here, who seems like a nice guy and quite knowledgeable on the subject. It was good talking to you again for the first time in a while, I hope and pray the rest of your move will be smooth! Take care, man!
Thanks amigo. You have an open invitation to the new spot. Let me know how that 32X action goes. I also think a proper video covering Romancing the 3 Kingdoms 32X vs Genesis vs Saturn would grab all the views..... All the views being the limited number of views from folks interested in the 32X.
@@Jenovi I am looking forward to accepting that invitation...hopefully I'll be in the Nevada/Arizona area next year when things settle down again. I would love to get the Three Kingdoms game for 32X, but $200+ on a strategy/sim based on Chinese history is an investment my broke behind cannot justify.
great video. hope you make one of these for the 3DO. I actually was one of the people that got a 32X on preorder. I was a huge Sega fan and when they cancelled the system I was screwed because I didn't have the money to buy a PS1 or a Saturn. I hated Sega for a few years after that because I was basically stuck with no new console until 1997. I think this happened to a lot of people because something like 90 percent of the people in America that had a Genesis ended up getting a PS1 and leaving Sega.
I'm kind of in that boat, but truth be told, I would have purchased a Saturn had they been for sale prior in the area I lived.
Now we need a Sega CD segment. Sega CD often gets a lot of hate because of the fmv games but there is a ton of great games that are only on the Sega CD and a lot of genesis games that got ported to it with extra stuff and a better sound track.
Lords of Thunder 😁
@@martinevans1206 I love my Sega CD. Still fire it up and play wonder dog on it, couldn't get enough of that game as a kid plus that CD sound track is amazing.
I'm a huge Sega CD fan. If Li Retro has me back, maybe I can cover the Sega CD.
@@Jenovi I hope you do. Just like the 32X the Sega CD never gets enough love. Would be nice to see more people talk about all the great games that came to the Sega CD. The people that hate on it because of the fmv games often gloss over the fact that for its time that was thought to be the next big thing, heck my young mind was blown by those games back in the days. I just feel that we need more people talking about the things that Sega did right and brought to the gaming industry, instead of what they did wrong.
Great topic to discuss. The Sega cd had a lot of potential that never happen during it's time.
One point that I totally agree is the add-on should have had another year of support from major companies. Sega released two add-ons that Genesis owners could choose from. Both were great. At the time I had the Sega CD and I felt abandoned by not being able to buy more great exclusives for it. Great video as always. 👍
Thanks Doug. Even living way out in the country, Sega CD games were well stocked. I never really felt there was a shortage or that a game released that couldn't be found. The 32X was also in the same boat. I guess Sega stuff was a hot seller here.
I never felt abandoned as a SegaCD owner.
People blame the 32X--which no one was ever forced to buy--but it was really the changing, bizarre roadmap of Mars, Neptune, Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto, etc, that developers and gamers couldn't adapt to. When Nakayama-san ordered all developed save the Saturn canceled in October of 1995, any faith left in the company outside of Japan was gone. With the Megadrive long gone and the Saturn taking off there, the decision made sense. Outside of Japan, destroying the Genesis/Megadrive AND the 32X and CD was perceived as yanking the rug out from under us and expecting us to fork over ANOTHER $400 for a system that didn't seem much more capable than the $700 of 32X CD.
And we were broke!
The 32X is a badly misunderstood piece of hardware. The roadmap Sega were working too was actually very good - but I think with so many other machines coming out at that time, the market was getting saturated with consoles, and an add-on didn't to the old console didn't make sense to most people - developers, retailers and consumers alike. Which is a shame. Maybe if they'd got it out a year earlier, it could have made a huge difference. Still, I'm glad to own one, along with my Mk1 Mega Drive and Mk1 Mega CD. It's wonderful-looking Frankenstein nightmare of plastic.
I do recommend though, that owners of any combination of Genesis/Mega Drive and it's add-ons consider an all-in-one PSU. I bought one from Retro Game Supply (en.retrogamesupply.com/). It supplies power to all the Mega Drive, Mega CD and 32X from one laptop-style power brick. The guy who runs it is very easy to deal with, and the quality is superb. He ships worldwide, with a mains power adapter for your country, as well as making combination power supplies for other machines - eg, a Famicom and Famicom Floppy Drive, various combinations of PC Engine hardware, Atari Jaguar with Jaguar CD. Well worth it if you have multiple consoles like me, and a limited number of mains power sockets for them.
This channel deserve times more attention and love!!!!
Do you know if anyone does Home Brew or new games for the 32X or 32X Sega Cd? I would have loved to see just what Sega or other companies could have done with utilizing the Sega Cd and 32X together other than those FMV games.
No, however, homebrew is definitely going on for the Saturn.
There is some homebrew, just not a whole lot
DeathEngine2 Sorry I wasn’t clear - I meant no as in ‘I don’t know’.
Cool. I will have to look into it a bit.
I'm working with the Doom Resurrection crowd, and there's more than can be done on that system. SuperH is pretty tough to write hand assembled code for, and most are just using C and, like many developers, not bothering to figure out how to use the two RISC processors and four DMA channels. Another reason why SEGA should've just built a 32-bit 68EC030 Genesis like they'd talked about before starting on the 32X.
Very good info on the 32x. I overlooked the 32x back in the day and went right to the Saturn.
Great stuff man. You guys really complimented each other well.
Shawn certainly has a passion for these games and hands-on experience with most of these systems libraries. He was great to have on for this.
Are you working on a new video WWG?
@@fakeshemp9599 Sure am. I'll have a video on Goldeneye out next weekend.
@@WrestlingWithGaming Awesome! I'm looking forward to it!
I love this series!
Thanks G.G.
I think they missed a beat by not just making it a successor system.
Great video, love the point regarding the ratio of games worth playing vs the total amount released. Id even go so far as say that theres only really 2 or 3 genuinely bad games on the 32X.
I had a 32x at launch. I loved it until I realized that sega was abandoning it. It had some potential.
I was pretty young, maybe 12. I knew about the Saturn but I thought that upgrading the genesis meant that I’d have a console for the next generation. 😂 didn’t work out that way.
The story of every single 32X owner.
@@Jenovi Definitely. I was thinking about buying a 32X but saw how criminally underused my $300 Sega CD was. If SEGA wasn't going to make good use of that machine, why would we think that another addon would get anything but more rushed games and lazy ports, which is exactly what we got. Millions of Sega enthusiasts were livid after spending $700 building the infamous Tower of Power, and we were broke!
And $400 for the Saturn was the price of the commercially disastrous Neo Geo and 3DO!
Yes, I definitely have questions.
So, Sega was well known, especially on the Saturn, for making all the specs for the hardware available, then letting programmers figure it out for themselves how to make anything on the platform happen.
The hardware of the 32X was mostly just the two chips and a 3d chip (BTW, how related was this to the SVP in the Genesis Virtua Racing?, and did it also concentrate on Quads like Sega's arcades at the time?), so programmers who were used to throwing together tiles and sprites and having the machine do most of the work with a predefined pipeline suddenly had to make renderers, and push together everything in software that they had been relying on the hardware to do before. Did Sega publish any sort of SDK, or was there any middleware to attempt to help developers into the ecosystem, or did they just have to be heavily skilled in an area that basically only Sega's first party programmers had any experience in?
The 32X didn’t have support for 2D/3D hardware acceleration, everything on the 32X side was done in software
@@Jamie-yp7qz See, I thought that too, but before posting I went and looked at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32X#Technical_aspects_and_specifications and it states there's a graphics processing unit that does 3d graphics as well. Also, I still want to know if Sega made an SDK or if there was a middleware market.
Anders Kirchenbauer Wikipedia isn’t really a reliable source in some cases like this, best to look on sites that specialize in Sega homebrew development
@@Jamie-yp7qz Links please.
Anders Kirchenbauer mode5.net/32x-DDK/32Xtoc.html This page has lots of official 32X development docs
archive.org/details/SegaSDK File upload of the official 32X SDK
I remember the 32x hype at the time in magazines and my friends, that negative feeling for the platform came many years later.
Perhaps if it had launched in late 1993, it would have more time to fix on the market.
Certainly a series of bad circumstances and decisions on Sega's part.
Or have a 1993 sega cd/32x-cart enhancement add-on or console variant of the genesis.
Love these Jenovi
Thanks James. Just one more.
Great video!!
Thanks Sublime.
Excellent video! I did not know that they intended to create a whole console to be the 32X instead of the mushroom attachment. That would have been fantastic had they released it that way.
They really should have. I personally felt it was a great idea.
Amazing!
Always loved you're icon.
32X should have really stuck around. Crazy what happened.
Fully agree.
That was a great panel. Sega of Japan took all the wrong decisions in the late 90s, and crippled Sega of America along the way. The 32X was full of potential (as was the Sega CD), and given half a year more of life it could have succeeded. When people analyzes 32X games from today's perspective, reviews tend to not be favorable. However, you are right: back on the day, watching the 32X in action was mind blowing. I can't wait for the homebrew scene to take the 32X head-on. We will see some amazing stuff then. Great work, very informative and interesting video, as usual. I don't live in the US, so I was not fully aware of the wildfires in your region. Is your home in danger? Tough situation, man. Hope you keep being safe.
Awesome collaboration man! And honestly the marketing push to my eyes at the time was all Saturn lol I completely skipped over the 32x.(what streets of rage game?) Hope all is good with you and yours J.👊💥🇺🇸
Man, I really wanted a Saturn. Still shocking how well Sega was supported in my area growing up only to never see one Saturn anything during its lifetime.
This was really nicely put together mate, great job!
Awesome video. Very interesting info I want aware of.
Hope your family and property stay safe during these crazy times!
Thanks Chris, things are looking good. It just brings additional chaos.
good stuff jenovi, can't wait for the virtual boy!
hope your move is going well
Thanks Ky. I just need to finish normalizing the audio, it's not a quick process as it's one audio track.
Out of all the other retro gaming UA-cam personalities, RGT 85 is the last guy I expected you to collaborate with
They should have made the Saturn backward compatible with SEGA 32X games. It already has most of the same hardware.
Only issue the 32x is compatible with the genesis since it use its hardware for majority of 32x games. So the only way the Saturn can be compatible with 32x if there's hardware backward compatibility inside the Saturn.
That was the criminally underused 32X CD. There were very few games on the Saturn that couldn't have been done 80-90% as well on the 32X CD.
And that's why so many Sega enthusiasts were so livid with the company, feeling ripped off now that the $400 Saturn was on its way out, and third party developers were abandoning their $700 "Tower of Power" for Saturn or PlayStation. SEGA was on death watch from then on, but the seeds of its destruction had been sown with lackadaisical support for the Sega CD.