I agree xbox one is an awful name, but I gotta question who thought calling the current gen systems series S and X. It seems confusing with the one S and one X
Hmm. Actually now that I think about it. Maybe they wanted to fill in the void from that generation they wished they didn't lose. Just re-stating that idea they had. But obviously making fit in back into gaming instead of...television
Okay now I've seen some more. It seems they wanted to catch up with PlayStation. All about the game libraries. I think that's why did the series s. Smaller all digital less powerful. Easy to switch to. Oh! Now I get it. That's what game pass is. A smart subscription where even if people already have been with playstation they can switch easily to xbox and with gamepass have something to play. Series X is a more capable version too. I think now we wait to see what happens with PlayStation Pro. Xbox all of its issues and what Nintendo's next move will be.
The design is just as bad, criticise the PS5 design all you need, but you can clearly differentiate it from the PS4, you can't with the Xbox series s and Xbox one s. Not to mention the fact the newer consoles look so modern yet still go by that ridiculous "S" and "X" branding
I would take truth telling Don over lies and copium merchant Phil Spencer any day. Any exec or person at the top who is truthful will always be looked at badly because what they say is counter to the corporate big wigs and the deluded fanboys of the said console.
Kinect being forced was really dumb because the price point is important then you are competing against PlayStation. They forced kinect then they dropped it so so quickly! Kinect was cool but it's not for gamers, kinect is only good for keeping fit and playing with the family. Because they dropped kinect so quickly it makes me think they changed their mind before the reveal.
@@Cakebattered Yeah that was too funny. The height of the console wars and it was already over before it really began. The best part was the Xbox fans in denial on forums.
Respectfully, they are also failing this generation. The head of Xbox doesn’t know what the heck they wanna do with Xbox and have fumbled the generation juggling ideas around and not taking advantage of properties that Xbox has.
Sony this generation as been terrible, this coming from someone that only had Playstations, despite this Xbox is still failing to compete, i hope they release something good to compete with the Ps5 pro otherwise the next generation of consoles is going to be terrible
They are failing in the traditional sense not in the overall gaming company sense. Xbox has evolved to be above just consoles. Im not defending them or anything just pointing out that it seems the focus is to no longer “win” a plastic box selling competition.
@@puljz8551you should hope they don’t release a “pro” competitor. Waste of time. PS5 pro is such a minor upgrade and people are getting fucked over for some old games to look slightly better.
@puljz8551PlayStation this generation has been pretty great, idk bout you and Ik not as good as the PS1 and PS2 era but still doing very good for a next gen console (ok a low bar but still)👍
@@captaindestruction9332since all of xbox's games are on PC as others have said imagine if Microsoft just decided to sell a "pc box* to replace the Xbox, and call it the "DirectX BOX" it would sell like crazy if it's priced well with traditional consoles
Xbox one was a disaster. I still blame Don Mattrick. The 500 dollar console with the stupid Kinect, the TV focused E3 conference etc etc. Its a dam shame. Who knows how many more good games we could have had.
This is bad for us PlayStation fans too as Sony gets arrogant, lazy, complacent. And then you get a situation like the PS3. The PS3 was undoubtedly a great console in fact to this day it is my favorite console of all time but fact of the matter is when Sony released it they had the same mentality as Xbox when they released the Xbox one and they were way to expensive and Sony didn't really car thinking the PlayStation name alone would be enough to sell consoles. And most multiplatform games looked and ran horribly on PS3 compared to 360.
Did you even watch the video? MS gain some success with 360 giving them confidence to go full anti consumer thinking they would get away with it. Sony haven’t tried anything close to what MS attempted then or since like trying to spend competition out of business. Jack Tretton got cheered for literally just repeating consumer policies already in place, that’s how bad and anti consumer MS was then.
@@ErgoDog big reason for it was that Xbox 360 was rushed a lot of ways + the huge design flaw in it that caused all sorts of failures such as red ring of death. by the time those problems got more solved, PS3 had become less expensive + picked up the momentum needed for it to become far better selling. In very end, it was smart move include blu ray drive as it was basically 2 systems in one. game console AND blu ray player for the house.
As a Playstation loyalist, the constant fails of Xbox are a bad thing to me because competition is a good thing, with no good rival, Sony is becoming complacent, and a balance is needed to create a good industry, and right now the scales have been tipped for far to long on Playstation. I hope it's not too late if it is the consumers suffers.
Following Xbox's paid multiplayer model is not "a good thing." Never understood the sheepish claim multiple companies in a market automatically means its going to generate better things, when "price fixing" is a known tactic.
In another timeline the Xbox 720 was the best selling console of all time and Halo 5 was a revolutionary game that pushed the industry to make even greater titles, eventually leading to a Golden Age of Humanity where all war, hunger, poverty, illness, and console exclusives ended in 2020 with the release of Cyberpunk 2077 being completely flawless.
The PS3 was $499 for the 20 GB no wifi model, $599 for the far superior version, and now $799 for a GPU upgrade on a platform that has a couple handfuls of true exclusives.............
No sympathy for them. Xbone was an unmitigated disaster. I was an early adopter of the xbox and a day one 360 owner. I watched the showcase live at the time and immediately thought "well that's me done now, I'm going to PC"
@@JamesEatWorld7758 When you spend several years saving money and learning how to build a PC, you tend to have an appreciation for it. Especially when you see people squabbling over which corporate overlord is more desirable to be chained to. Consoles don't have to be horrible, but they are, and they're getting worse. PC is the great escape. It's not about being better. It's about being happy.
@@LochNessHamster PC gaming is cool but it's very obvious why you guys get defensive when people make fun of you. And they will keep making fun of you as long as you give silly reactions.
Is the PS3 a failure though? It’s one of the best selling systems of all time selling 80 million units, outselling the Xbox 360. Sure it didn’t do PS2 numbers but realistically no console is going to do PS2 numbers
Equally important are the aesthetics and UI. When I boot my PS5, the console, controller and interface FEEL like a next gen console. When I boot my series X; the UI, console and controller are damn near all identical to the last gen. It feels more like a cheap update rather than a next gen console.
Phil Spencer's idea that Xbox lost "The Worst Generation to Lose" solely based off of the accumulation of digital libraries runs into a brick wall when you look at what Nintendo did after the Wii U failed in an far worse fashion than the Xbox One did. Like Sony & Microsoft, Nintendo also was growing an online digital library centered around Nintendo Network - the shared online platform for the Wii U and the 3DS. *Nintendo completely threw away that digital library with the Switch.* Nintendo decided that the Switch was so much different than Wii U/3DS both tech & reception-wise that it needed to start its digital library over from scratch, to the point of shutting down the old storefronts & making the old systems' games unavailable to purchase anymore. ...And yet the Switch stormed past both PS4/Xbox One, is now the 3rd highest selling console in history, and is attempting to beat the PS2's record, with the "digital library" being a total non-factor. Instead, the Switch won the generation with 3 simple tried & true methods: 1)Appealing hardware that attracted customers, which in turn brought in 3rd parties wanting to cash in. 2)Smart & precise marketing. 3)GOOD GAMES. LOTS & LOTS OF GOOD EXCLUSIVE GAMES. WHICH IS SOMETHING XBOX HAS TOTALLY FAILED AT. This misguided & defeatist attitude is why Phil Spencer needs to be fired. He's been in his position for far too long with little to no improvement to show for it. Game Pass and their hardware philosophy does needs to be reformed, yes, but the actual games made by all of his acquired studios have disappointed across the board. The lack of good exclusive games have killed consoles time & time again.
Agree. Sure xbox one make a significant damage to the brand but come on. If the series consoles would be really good people wouldn't be ignore them just because of the old games that they never gonna play again.
@codezero7981 Phil didn't save Xbox. He just left the body on life support and gave fans false hope. The first 3 years of Xbox One was better than anything Xbox gamers have witnessed since.
Nintendo can always bounce back because they have the strongest line up of exclusives by far. Even better, their exclusives still have very few AAA substitutes. Sure, you can find indie Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing and Zelda clones, but how many AAA ones? And how many at that quality? Xbox had nowhere as deep a line up of exclusives AND they had AAA substitutes. Halo, Gears, Forza all have equivalents.
Xbox is great at fumbling pretty much everything they try lol. Like the leadership there is unbelievably incompetent. At least from the outside looking in. The list of fumbles is endless
I even saw in their “Power On” documentary that they were even offered GTA III as a launch title for the OG Xbox and they turned it down. Yeah it’s a safe to say they have a long track record of fumbling around
@@robertharper3114While RROD was a major engineering mistake, everyone seems to agree that Microsoft leadership dealt with the situation in an exemplary way.
*Microsoft in the end are to blame* Also GamePass is killing the Xbox Series s/x. MS has trained Xbox gamers NOT to buy Xbox games, Low game sales = low user base = sell on Playstation.
Sony is being too cocky towards their user base, that $700 price point for the PS5 Pro does not encourage people to buy / upgrade (why would you want to upgrade anyway?) from their base model PS5's.
@@Lifeless188 that's Sony's own problem. At least Playstation gamers still have PS5, along with its exclusives AND Xbox games coming in (Project lateral) It's no where near as bad on the Playstation as it is on the Xbox because 3rd party studios are better making games of the Playstation. Besides Microsoft not wanting to compete has left the Sony unchallenged.
In their mind just like meta they are hopping into a trend to come, just like the tv initiative, but for all we know they become a service, we move to the generic playing game device, and out of nowhere netflix or apple releases a game service and desimates xbox, they should be in the business of making good games, even if they make a service or a console that's all there is to do.
XBox execs are clueless. When they first acquired Rare, an exec visting Rare studio said something to the effect of: Cool, we own Donkey Kong now. (After seeing the DKC rendered posters)
@jumpman2326 in 2006 everybody was saying that, the gamecube was viewed as hot garbage and sold poorly and the N64 had failed to capture as much of the market as the Snes, meaning Nintendo had been on a downward streak for years, then long time rival Sega went out of the console business too which made it seem even more likely as well as the meteoric rise of Xbox and Sony, many people thought that Nintendo would just make games on Playstation in the next generation, Just because you're five years old and the switch has been out your whole lifetime doesn't mean that Nintendo has always been top of the world. I also meant disappear from the console market too which I didn't specify but thought was obvious given the context of the video
@@jumpman2326 The subject of Nintendo potentially going third party was actually a hot topic back around 2004. Sony was on top of the tech world, Gamecube was floundering so much even Xbox was outselling it, Game Boy Advance was getting long in the tooth and barely propping up the company, and no one knew if the DS would be successful back then. Hindsight is 20-20.
@@sleepy_shivers Nintendo is in the handheld and low specs market. Nobody has ever thought if they should get a gaming PC, PS5 or a switch because the switch is a totally different thing to the other two.
Series X is a powerful console sad it ain’t selling much. People don’t know but developers have to develop games that will run on X one, one S/X, Series s and X. Developers did stated to much dev time.
@@baronvonslambert the PS5 is just as successful as the PS4 in terms of sales right now. Sony's consoles are still doing extremely well but the industry has simply changed for the worse.
@@TruTrae ps5 is very successful because no one buy a xbox now. This generation is beyond bad. If Nintendo can put on a new console as powerful as ps5, People could ending buying the new Switch 2. Honestly, this generation is turning more and more people into pc gamer. If they go full digital, what the point of owning a console?
@@RockyLaRosa I currently own both PS5 and series X and I say this they should abandon the series S because it has stopped Xbox from getting FF16 and has made them wait an extensively long amount of time for BG3
9:58 I'm sorry, but even as a PlayStation fan, I find the line "the company fighting for the people" to be incredibly cringe. They were fighting for their place in the market and themselves. No one else.
I think Phil is just trying to make excuses and shift the blame away from himself/his team. Sure, xbox one make some serious damage to the xbox brand but main reason why "series consoles" are not successful is the current Microsoft and not old games that people are not going to play again. I bought Xbox one because there was some interesting games (Forza horizon 2/3 and sunset overdrive) but nowadays the are releasing everything (and more) on a PC and even the ps5. There is simply no reason for me to buy an xbox.
Phil is trying his darndest to save Xbox. Xbox and Microsoft actually have different goals. Microsoft is doing way beyond gaming. They do goverment contracts, military, enterprise, etc. They don't want to be associated with fratboy gamer bro image (the identity Xbox built in their 360 days.) Xbox to Microsoft is unlike PlayStation to Sony. Sony is basically PlayStation now. If PlayStation dies, Sony dies. Xbox on the other hand, is a mere expendable to Microsoft. Remember the rumor that Microsoft was planning to sell Xbox? Also, they rebranded Cortana in Windows into Copilot. Because they don't want to be seen as a gaming company. Microsoft has more important things to do. That's why Microsoft focused so hard on Kinect for Xbox One. They don't want bro gamers, they want to be a professional, safe, family-friendly corporate tech giant. Think Minecraft, Flight Simulator, and Forza Motorsport. That's what the image Microsoft wanted to be represented with. Mattrick was a Microsoft guy. He did what he could to meet all the criteria Microsoft wanted. Turned out gamers didn't like that, thus Xbox One lost. Phil, a gamer himself, works on Xbox's side. And his strategy to appease Microsoft is to shift Xbox into GamePass (a cloud service provider, what the CEO of Microsoft is know to be very fond of.) The consoles are basically just accesories now. Even the names are non-sensical. What does "Series" even means? They didn't even bother to design a new controller. Phil sees Xbox Series as a gateway to GamePass. Without GamePass, Microsoft wouldn't even bother with Xbox. Without Phil, Xbox would have gone the way of the Atari right now.
Yeah, that was a baffling decision from a tech company like Microsoft. Sony is the one keeps insisting on proprietary media (MemoryStick, UMD, etc.) but no, they have learned their lesson. Xbox doing proprietary SSD is so out of character. Like, why??
It's been obvious to gamers, specifically Xbox fans, for years now. They can bounce back and at the very least close most of the gap between them and PS. I have it listed below in 5 steps, but more tweaking will likely be needed on top of this: 1. They need to make the naming more consistent or specific to the console. (I.e. ps 1, 2, 3, etc. Are consistent. Or Nintendo Gamecube, Switch, etc. Are specific) I would say something like Xbox 720 or Xbox 5 or something correlating to the next design. The series is confusing to explain and understand to casual consumers. 2. They need to put emphasis on what gamers actually want, not what they think we want. It took them years to fix the dashboard and allow custom themes (which are still not perfect). They do a decent job of this otherwise with things like Backward compatibility and other features, but it could use improvement. 3. I dont love this personally, but putting AAA games day 1 on gamepass really doesn't make sense. I LOVE Gampass, it is a really good deal, even with the recent price hike. BUT they're going to be forced to increase the price of gamepass more and more. To the point where most may not want to subscribe anymore or can't afford it. It makes them less money and it causes us to spend more money in the long run. 4. Change up the design to match what Xbox should be. The design, albeit minimalistic and clean looking, could be a lot cooler. The original xbox, the 360, heck even the original Xbox One had cool personality and charm to their designs, something that stood out. Right now, the ps5 and the Switch have really cool designs. Even though we all made fun of the ps5 at launch, it's easily identifiable and, again, cool! The xbox series consoles just look like cinder blocks. The controllers could use a refresh design as well, while keeping that Xbox ergonomic feel. The addition of better haptics, maybe adaptive buttons/triggers/thumbsticks too! 5. Most importantly: MAKE MORE GAMES AND MAKE THEM EXCLUSIVE. At least for a few years minimum, or permanently! So that the people buying the console actually feel like they're justified in their purchase. It will also incentivize players of other consoles to buy one for specific games. I bought a ps4 specifically for GOW, Uncharted 4, and a few others. I bought a Switch for BOTW, Animal Crossing, etc. I originally bought the Xbox One for Halo, Forza, etc. Feels redundant with most games going to other platforms.
Microsoft skipped from Windows 8 to Windows 10, so they can skip a number in Xbox too. If they were to number the consoles, we'd be on Xbox 4. But obviously they never wanted to have Xbox be a lower number. They couldn't do Xbox 2 VS PlayStation 3, so we got Xbox 360. PlayStation 4 VS Xbox 3, can't do it. Call it Xbox One because of that weird TV gimmick, okay. Now we're at this mess of Xbox Series X and S... Can we just stop? Call the next one Xbox 6, to go up against PlayStation 6, and be done with it. I think you're missing the mark when you talk about unimportant features like themes. Nobody cares about themes. People power on their consoles to play games, not stare at the dashboard. Nintendo Switch only has options for light mode and dark mode and it's absolutely spanking the Xbox Series and PlayStation 5 in sales. Themes don't sell consoles, themes aren't going to save Xbox. It all comes back to games. They need games, otherwise nobody will even buy the console to notice whether or not it has themes.
@mjc0961 Couple things to address within the points you made in your response: 1. I think if they went the numbered route, it really wouldn't matter. Everyone already knows Xbox is 1 console behind PS. The naming/numbering doesn't matter if they went with 4, 5, 6, etc. in my opinion. An example is how the Samsung phones are one the S24, and the iPhone is at 16. Doesn't change their sales or anything, really. I would have preferred they went with the 360-type naming convention (i.e. 540, 720, 900, 1080,etc.) 2. I'm not missing anything. I used the themes/dashboard as an example for my main point, which was for Xbox to actually listen to fans, address issues, and add certain features the Xbox fan base has been asking for for years. I also used backward compatibility as an example of something they included that fans were asking for and Xbox added the feature. But the fact that it took them years to address the issues of the dashboard, easier access to the games library, and other key issues was something that was causing some folks to give up on xbox, maybe you don't remember that. I don't believe the themes, the dashboard or any other software feature will get new sales, I understand what sells consoles are games. I do believe that adding or fixing key features/issues helps to keep Xbox players on Xbox. It's not just about sales but also the retention of customers.
Also improve the game recording features as it is light years behind PlayStation, and stop forcing crossplay on every game. Sony’s policy makes devs include an option in game to disable Crossplay for fairness…. Xbox is the opposite, which means you are forced to play against pc players online
What people often forget is that Xbox 360 sold incredibly well, and that’s with Japan having minimal sales. PS3 has an entire territory that we’re buying their console over Xbox by a massive margin.
Spencer was 100% correct about the digital games being the cause of Xbox's downfall. I have about 325 PS games, and only about 10 of them are physical copies. Because of this, there will never be another console generation where I don't but the PS.
the point about not wanting to lose your digital game libraries being the reason why people stick with the same ecosystem going into the 9th gen is kind of interesting because it doesn't really seem to be much of an issue, since I used to know a few people who had xbox one consoles who used them frequently, but this gen every single person I knew who had an xbox switched to either pc or ps5, and now I know legit zero people who own a series x/s console but a lot who own a pc, ps5, or switch
Xbox One was 11 years ago. The Xbox One is NOT the reason Xbox is still failing. Xbox is failing because Microsoft neither has the passion nor skill or patience to make truly great exclusive games that can sell consoles.
Microsoft just wanted to buy up exclusives and sit on IPs. I remember after the activision/blizzard merger went thru they released articles where Xbox heads were going on about how they're the #1 publisher in terms of size on PS & Nintendo stores.......Like they're taking credit for Diablo and every other game they had literally nothing to do with. I saw they even changed Skyrim in the PS store to read "Microsoft Games Publishing" for awhile. That vanished but holy hell how is that anything to gloat about? You bought these things you didn't make them 😂
@@nothobbesmufc949 but if you ask a hardcore Xbox fan they will swear Xbox is responsible for all those games succeeding due to the merger…..even though many of those games were already in development before the merger. Which is why now the majority are noticing that Xbox buying all those studios didn’t do nothing for PlayStation and its console sells. Or the increased fan base.
They also lost this generation because they launched 2 consoles at the same time, the Series S and Series X. Both require developers to put time into making sure both run properly on both consoles.
@@returnedtomonkey8886 they literally have the number 3 most sold consoles in history. We can say Nintendo doesn’t compete but the reality is that they do. They compete differently and they do it right by delivering games
I skipped Xbox One because #RDR2 was the only real 'killer app'/must have game, so just waited to get it on XSX. Going from 360 to XSX I was shocked to learn that One had already removed CD ripping/custom playlists (which even GTA used). It can barely play CDs, via a bad app. The UI is even worse and more basic - XSX is basically the same system as One, just a more powerful console. 360 had 'Invert Y axis' to automatically change all games, but now gone. All the communication privacy is also grouped together, so some online modes require you to have chat open to all the griefers you're playing with (e.g. to play GTAO user creations).
I had a 360 for the longest time and would save the free Xbox One games I got with gold to my account, still haven't got an Xbox One or above because PC master race
I honestly don't even get focusing on digital libraries here because, guess what, the PS5 and Xbox Series X are backwards compatible with physical games too. Phil Spencer is right about how this current generation isn't a clean slate because of backwards compatibility but that alone doesn't determine which console you'll get next. After all, I originally had a Wii and decided to get a PS3 years later when I was a kid even though the PS3 couldn't play my Wii library. I just played games on both. I could see a hypothetical reality where I went from a PS4 to an Xbox Series X because I can still play all those PS4 games, I'd just buy the Xbox exclusives and next gen-only games on my Xbox going forward and alternating back to my PS4 for last gen games. The problem is that despite all of their aquisitions, the Xbox just doesn't have very many really super good exclusives. The PS5 has the problem of not having enough exclusive games, especially compared to their other consoles, but some of the ones they do have I'd still absolutely describe as system sellers, particularly SM2, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, and Astro Bot. Xbox has basically nothing like that, the closest is Starfield and that game wasn't bad, but it was underwhelming. This is leading to Sony getting cocky, with the over $800 price of the PS5 Pro (when including the stand and disc drive) and I have a feeling that this is going to cause PlayStation to get even worse from a lack of competition going forward. I've never been an Xbox fan, they've given me many reasons to not want to play on their consoles (current and previous generations) but I do hope they actually get their shit in gear. That said, with Indiana Jones and Doom slated to be cross platform, they're not exactly tempting me.
"Worst Generation to lose" is just a cope for clowns to still try and blame Don Mattrick (when it wasn't even his decisions that made the Xbox One how it was) even though it's been more than a Decade now since the Xbox One launched. It's also to defend Phil Spencer and just how terrible of a Leader he's been for Xbox who has had a Decade to turn things around but still can't deliver even just one AAA Xbox Game that's not terrible. It's pathetic just how many excuses some people will come up with for Phil Spencer.
The only way for the Xbox brand to bounce back is to take a break for at least one console generation and concentrate on their games as a publisher. Once they have built a library with hardcore fans, they can release a new console with all their games being exclusive bringing in the fans who followed their games. This is what Nintendo did with the NES, Sega with the SMS, and SNK with the Neo Geo. They all built a fan base first with their games then released consoles with only their games. You want to play Mario, gotta get an NES. Want all the cool Sega arcade games, gotta get a Sega Master System. Want to burn $750, buy a Neo Geo… ok, that was a bad example.😅
10:34 - There's a missing piece of the story here that no one knows about: Preorders. Both Sony and Microsoft had opened preorders right after E3, and a friend of mine worked at GameStop at the time. Here's what he told me. For PS4, they sold their allotment of preorders in about a week. For Xbox One, the number of preorders they sold was zero. Literally every PS4 was pre-sold, and literally NO Xbox Ones were pre-sold. It was after that, and ONLY after that, that Microsoft walked back their DRM announcements.
Not a huge gamer but all my friends play on console. I remember back then when they said they would tie a game to your game I.D so you couldn't resell a game or even lend it to a mate, this is what killed it for us. They basically just said "we're gonna just get extra money off you, unfairly just because we want to". All of us said never xbox again.
Xbox’s loss on every generation is a result of their mistakes of course but one major reason is Sony’s ability to best them on every regard PS4 didn’t sell just because of Xbox One’s fail reveal but because it’s a better device all around which Sony deserves credit for Same with PS5, Sony deserves all the credit for it’s success Sure losing the XBO generation damaged the brand but PS3 showed us that you can recover if you tried hard enough, which Sony did and won against X360 after the slow start Xbox should focus on releasing a product users want and willing to buy instead of blaming the PS4 for their current failures.
Bro ps3 online sucked donkey balls 😂. Xbox needs to focus on making good games and keeping the console affordable like they did when the xbox 360 came out
I see ppl still think this is the 2005 era of gaming again .The true console wars died with the PS4 and Xbox one era. Phil is right you can't just make a good game and expect ppl to buy an Xbox. In order to get ppl to buy an Xbox you first have to get the casual gamers to get one which is difficult because all they play is fortnite, apex, 2k and etc you know the list lol. For the ps players bragging about console sales majority of those ppl that bought a ps don't give a crap about ps exclusives they mainly bought it for the games I just listed.
also: -XBOX1 was less powerful than PS4, and Kinect took another slice out of the processing power. Some PS4 games were rendering at double the resolution of X1 games. -PS4 lets you replace the hard drive -I bought a used X1 for $100 recently, and the thing is louder OFF than my PC/PS4/PS5 are ON. It also takes much longer to turn on -and the features you mentioned are all gone now! It deserved to fail and I'm glad it did
@@baronvonslambertwith xbox one you can use external drives but on ps3/ps4 you can easily change system hdd/ssd. It's kinda similar situation current gen when you can easily connect m2 to ps5 but with xbox you need proprietary ssd.
Spot on! Xbox One lost in all fronts fair and square, no need to pity trillion dollars company! Crazy they went into next-generation not learning any lesson. Kept babbling "the world's most powerful console" while shipping downgrade sister and doubling down console-free subscription!
I find the theory about digital game libraries and Xbox One being the worst generation to lose very unconvincing - the Nintendo Switch had zero backwards compatibility with the Wii U/3DS and it's doing spectacularly well. Anecdotally, my gaming friends usually have more than one console accessible anyway, so older games seem to just be played on the older console. I think a more logical reason is the complete lack of compelling games on the Xbox platform, which Microsoft has made worse by continuing to purchase game studios and then mismanaging them into the ground.
Microsoft bought half the studios and then started to fire everyone working in them and somehow talks about connected systems, subscription services and connectivity with PCs. And the games? yes thank you
As awful their always online thing was back then isn’t that ultimately what ended up happening? For updates signing in onto games etc. The consoles are always usually connected. It was dumb the way they presented them but in a way they were too early into something that was always coming.
Yeah, definitely just a case of them messaging poorly and being too early. And although consoles pretty much require internet at this point they technicallyyyyyy don’t so they can get away with it
Nope, I can still play offline on a ps5 just fine. But on Xbox there is a problem with achievements. In a few games I never got them after connecting the console to the internet.
Not to the extent they were proposing. Having to to checking in every 24 hrs , not being able to buy used games or share were just a few things they were pushing.
@maybebutwhatever Lets be honest. The entire setup process of a Playstation 5 console assumes you have an internet connection. Very few gamers today play offline, and its proven by the top selling games being online, multi-player games. Lets not forget, Steam started its online-only platform in 2005, and offered the ability to play offline in 2010, before the Xbox One was conceived. Thus Xbox's online-only requirement would have naturally evolved anyway. So all the rage was unwarranted. PS3 and Xbox One ushered in the dominance of always-online gaming as Xbox predicted and gamers didn't go kicking and screaming.
Yup you’re right. “It’s not what you say. It’s how you say it” they turned a lot of folks off by making that statement. But like you said, we ended up there anyway. At least for the most part.
It feels like saying “the worst generation to lose” is a pretty sour excuse considering the Wii U only sold 13 million units and came back stronger then ever while losing their previous install base since the switch isn’t backwards compatible with the Wii or Wii U.
Nintendo didn’t have to worry about the install base because nobody bought a Wii U. They had a completely fresh start with their own library of games that didn’t come from predominantly third party developers. The install base is a problem for Xbox and PlayStation because both of those consoles have an interlinked library of games. Nobody buys a Nintendo Switch to play call of duty.
Man after the Xbox 360 the names for Xbox consoles became completely nonsensical. I actually don't know which is which. Xbox One X? Xbox Series One X? Xbox Series S One X Series X. Just call it the Xbox 3 like a man you cowards. Or call it the Nextbox like everyone wanted
@ACWolfieIsBACKthe problem with that is Sony wanted to push 4k as far back as the ps4 pro and 1080 was the res for the xbox one. While that’s a cool name, it puts them in an unfavorable comparison to the competition. Nextbox is cool too but then what are you gonna call the console after that? The new nextbox??
@@haroldasusus4684 The "NextBox 2" lol. But yeah that's fair, it's definitely difficult to come up with a name scheme that doesn't directly compare it to Playstation, since Xbox 1 entered in the console market during the second Playstation generation. If they named them "Xbox 2" or w/e, it would perpetually appear as though Xbox is a generation behind, and subconsciously that might come across as the system being inferior.
I still call it xbox 720 and literally slapped an xbox 720 picture i printed off the internet onto my "xbox one" with clear tape. So now everyone can read it say xbox 720 Going to do the same with my series by printing out "xbox 1080" @ACWolfieIsBACK
I'm surprised there aren't more PS players worried about Xbox's state of affairs. Do you think PS will have a monopoly at the palm of their hands and not increase the prices to oblivion because they care about their fans? Get ready for a $600 PS6 and an extra $100 for disk drives (IF they don't discontinue them altogether), +30% PS Plus price increase and say goodbye to PS Store sales, more expensive accessories, because ultimately, what will you do? Nintendo is not in the high performance console market, PCs are too complicated or expensive for most of you, your library is locked in their storefront, you are screwed.
I think people care too much about graphical power on games. Nintendo has something that the current PS and Xbox console doesn’t have and that is games. Gamers should worry about games.
@AnimeXFever54 Nintendo doesn't have any greater library of games than Xbox or Playstation. What Nintendo has is a deadman's grip on the mindshare of parents of young children. Nintendo consoles are electronic babysitters with the least amount of potentially offensive content. Just watch any Nintendo Direct, and everything from the Presentation colorways, Fonts, Narration style, and game choices are all geared toward elementary school children. Calling it "Retro" is just cope.
@@CakebatteredNintendo has a far greater number of exclusives though and because it's cheaper to produce games for their IPs and mascots get far more games. Spider Man 2. Horizon 2. God of War 2. The games take TOO long to make. Meanwhile Mario has been in over 20+ games on the Switch. The Switch is an exclusive machine. And my entire friend group of 30 somethings are obsessing over the new Zelda because it's fun and is the most fun game I've played all year. Don't need to be a child to enjoy fun.
Games That's it, people would have forgotten about the drm and used game and Kinect stuff if the Xbox had good exclusive games. The ps4 and 5 does, and the switch does too, which is why they were able to bounce back from the Wii U. If Halo and Gears were still big franchises, Xbox would be doing fine as a console platform
One thing i really hate is how everytime a company talks about an "always on" device they always compwre to the smarthphone Like bro you just need the internet to install apps you can literally install a bunch of games in your phone and go offline and it will be infinitely more usefull the the xbox one matrick wanted
Peter Moore will always be the best head of the Xbox brand because he had the correct vision for it: releasing quality titles for the platform and connect the userbase together through quality online services inside these quality games to increase console sales.
I was on a collecting spree for xbox one games when phil gave that awful speech after redfall. Killed my enthusiasm right then and there to keep going. Wish I had heard that speech earlier honestly. Then I could’ve been saved the trouble.
It’s kind of shame because my OG Xbox One is a work horse I use it anytime I want to play an old game or stream have left it one for days and had no problems.. I think it’s going to do very well in the modding marketplace a few years from now
ps5 is very successful because no one buy a xbox now. This generation is beyond bad. If Nintendo can put on a new console as powerful as ps5, People could end up buying the new Switch 2. Honestly, this generation is turning more and more people into pc gamer. If they go full digital, what the point of owning a console?
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 Nintendo does not need to ''compete'' with playstation. The switch has a massive success. If the next switch 2 can be as powerful as a ps5. More and more will go back to Nintendo. can you imagine being able to play the next zelda-mario + let say the next gta 6 on your switch 2? I can see a combo of pc + switch 2 for the next generation.
Do you want to start building up a digital library on Pc when you have a huge one already on PlayStation? I don’t think so and so many others. For someone who has been playing on PlayStation for more than a decade now I cannot see myself sacrificing all my library on PlayStation for a PC. Why would I even think about this?
@@arianoooamari6949 Maybe because the whole ''library'' is kinda over rated? How many people still play the old game? You will be surprise by how many people move on from a game after finishing it. Also, most of the old ps3 games will not be very expensive in 2029. or you can download a emualator on pc. If you are someone who like to play old game. MOD can add a extra 20h of gameplay. Pretty sure my friend had over 1000h of gameplay on skyrim with mods.
From what I remember, CEO of Nintendo Miyamoto himself looked so disappointed in Xbox's initial presentation. The fact that a man who has been known for being fairly optimistic in gaming is giving you a frown, that was an ill omen.
You knew a console named ONE when it's actually number 3.. is going to lose before it even starts lol Sucks because there are some decent titles on Xbox 720 But Microsoft is so obsessed with sucking up tons and tons of money from Digital games/Digital Media and digital everything...they think it'll be their saving grace, but it'll be their own demise!
GamePass is TERRIBLE and the "value" proposition needs to be challenged. 1. There's No value in not owning one's game. 2. There's heaps of better game sales like Steam/GOG
I hate modern video games so i might as well try them on gamepass. I will never buy them separately. Gamepass is a must if you live in a third word country. I can still buy my favourite old games and i can be in touch with a modern gaming(despite hating it) for like 70$ a year.
Gamepass is great. I got to try the Persona series, played Persona 3-5, played the Arkham games, GTA, Star Wars Jedi, Resident Evil, Fallout, PayDay, Celeste, Mortal Kombat, Control, Crash Bandicoot, Dead Space, Mass Effect, Doom, Dragon Age, Red Dead Redemption 2, Yakuza, NBA 2k, MLB, FIFA, Lies of P, It Takes Two, Tomb Raider, etc etc.
The funniest thing about Xbox One was they did exactly the opposite on everything the possibly could. The whole Xbox thing is supported by literally a Halo game and Gears of War, and what gave them the proper market share was the fact that games did run better than the PS3. And there was fuck all momentum by the end of that generation when PS3 even after the abysmal launch managed to overtake the 360 and was literally full steam ahead with peak game series like TLoU and God of War and Uncharted and so on. So what Microsoft did? Release a shit Halo game, remove all thats good from the gears of war series and make a console thats more expensive and slower. Xbox never was a real contender for a leader of any generation even the X360 one. They just hit it right while the others fumbled. But they did literally nothing ahead of everyone else ever.
Yeah this gen is starting to give it a run for its money. Say what you will about Xbone, but buyers were mostly satisfied with the system they bought. They have a strong (albeit small) loyal fan base for a reason. Titanfall was awesome, Halo MCC was awesome despite being rather rough, BC was wild, and Xbox Live was leagues ahead of PSN. They just could not gain momentum, all thanks to that reveal and weak ass lineup of exclusives. Series S/X was a disaster from day one. No games, weak model, and after all these years the message is you do Game Pass or GTFO. It is terrible.
Xbox potentially losing everything and forcing PlayStation to become the new monopoly scares the living crap out of me. No competion leads to greed, corruption and out of touch decision making. Which we are already getting hints of now with this $700-800 price point of the PS5 pro. God help us.
One thing the video doesn’t mention, but was part of the XOne problem, was the design of the console itself. At a basic level Microsoft went with cheap, slow memory for the console while Sony gambled on more expensive, faster memory. For Xbox this meant a bottleneck in the system with a more restrictive bandwidth. Similarly Xbox’s OS, in part because of the whole multimedia aspect central to XOne and Microsoft’s push to have all their devices use Windows as the base code, meant more system resources were occupied by the OS than on Playstation where the OS’s footprint is much smaller and leaves developers much more room for games. Couple all of that with a baffling decision of nullifying more cores in the GPU than Sony did on PS4, even if they were the same GPU, and you had a system that was crippled for high end gaming. This is why multi-platform games always had to run at a much lower resolution on XOne, or pare back effects. In turn this immediately created the public perception that the Xbox One was an inferior console for the main purpose anyone buys a GAMING CONSOLE: playing games. And all of this wrapped up around a design philosophy that was stuck in the late 2000’s when streaming was starting to be a thing and gaming consoles were being used to watch Netflix, Hulu, Crackle, etc. Six years later and Microsoft was operating with the same mentality that people were consuming multimedia beyond games on their consoles ignoring people were watching movies or listening to music on their phones, tablets, Apple TV’s or Roku Players, or had acquired a Smart TV and had no need for a game console for that purpose. So yes- the messaging and marketing and Xbox One was atrocious, and Sony smartly capitalized on that, but the design philosophy and the hardware itself was poor and inferior. Bad marketing, atrocious messaging, poor hardware, a weak library, and ultimately a scramble to pivot multiple times in different directions without ever establishing a clear direction for the brand, something they are repeating nowadays, is what doomed Xbox since.
Love Xbox but I remember being greatly disappointed and even annoyed by that reveal in 2013 I had an original Xbox, loved it, but I have to be honest when I say that the 6th gen era was dominated by PS2 and everyone had one. Nobody I knew had an Xbox apart from like 2-4 people. Then the 360 comes along and literally helped to define an era. 2005-2012 was all about Xbox 360 and despite the RROD, it was the most popular system of that era. Then the Xbox one fumble happened and my beloved brand was never the same again.
I don't think 360 was the most popular system of that era when it literally got outsold by the Wii and PS3, both of those released a whole year after 360 as well. 360 was the most popular online console that gen, but not the most popular console because it got outsold by the other two.
@@ashleythomas4112 the Wii was outselling them both and Xbox 360 was a close second, it wasn't until Sony announced the PS3 Slim model that they started catching up to the 360 and eventually surpassing it.
@@ashleythomas4112 The Wii did out sell both competitors, but Xbox 360 was arguably the most popular console. Sure they came in last place but they were ahead of Sony for most of the generation. 360 finished third but it was a close third. It’s not like the sales difference between the original Xbox and PlayStation 2.
The problems are plentiful but I’d say ARGUABLY the greatest one is that there’s NOW “too much Microsoft” in the Xbox. That MAY SOUND counterintuitive, but before, Xbox was kinda like this “cute little boutique operation” running out of the basement of the larger Microsoft offices and was costing them JUST ENOUGH of an “insignificant amount” of money that the corporate execs didn’t really care what they were doing down there. NOW, they’ve dumped about $100 billion into them over the past 5 years with numerous acquisitions and the board and company executives are going to WANT that money back (whether it comes directly from revenue or “stripping everything down” and putting all the IPs up for auction at a “firesale,” they’re going to get it). The problem is they’ve now “pigeonholed” Microsoft’s core philosophy into Xbox: “we don’t care what you buy or use a device for so long as it has OUR SOFTWARE on it” (which is a fine enough philosophy if your goal is just to generate money from it but it sorta “dilutes” and TAKES AWAY from the “unique core identity” of WHY people gravitate to a certain console or another).
I do not think we need console competition we need systems that aren't anti-cosumer, doesn't live off from exclusives games and are just easy to pick up and convenient with the power of pcs and emulation to preserve older games that you literally can't buy anymore. XBOX One S, PS5 and so on not being able to emulate older games, especially predecessors is infurating. It is lousy hardware engineering because the PS2 and early PS3s could do it NATIVELY. That is one of the reasons why I would prefer PCs, of course you need to live under the hell of Windows but you get so much benefits and even fix issues in the games by yourself.
Actually even with the digital library problem, they haven’t done much to try and fix it imo. Rewinding back to 2019 for me I just got me a used One S at the time as I happened to stumble upon a good deal for it. Now the problem that cropped up was I paid for Game Pass and that was it, i didn’t really build a library as most of the games I wanted I already had with game pass. Fast forward to 2022 I had enough money to get either a Series X or PS5 Disc Edition. i had no digital library to fret over. Along with that I also didn’t have a PS4 last gen either so the decision was almost easy. But the state of Halo Infinite and Horizon 5 (both of which I was excited for) at launch just soured on the Series consoles completely and now, I am going to just build a PC and the PS5 i bought will be delegated to likely a media box or something to play the occasional exclusive on.
I’m old enough to remember all the shills that were defending Xbox’s decisions during that time, only to see them walk them back over the next couple years after launch. Sadly, that original framework still exists in various forms, so ultimately Microsoft got its way.
They didn't actually go toe to toe with the PS3, The real addressable market of the 360 falls into the 60 million category when you count all the hardware failures and multiple purchases people had to make that discounts around 20 million. That is why Microsoft have never felt like they have grown in the space.
In hindsight, the Xbox One just might of sold a bit more if they kept its working title that Xbox loyalists were using at the time . By that I mean calling it the Xbox 720. Just another bad decision on Mattrick’s part for gaslighting every once of goodwill fans built up with the Xbox 360.
If it wasn’t for halo gears of war forza ect exclusive Xbox games I would’ve been sold my Xbox for the ps along time ago I currently have Xbox one x and it’s not bad I just wish we had more games and more backwards compatibility games there’s still like a 1000 plus games the left out of the backwards compatibility and that to me is definitely one of the major points were Xbox took the L
I don't think that's the case. Only 13 million people bought the Wii U, but the Switch has over 140 million sales. I think it just comes down to their reputation and exclusives in general, everyone was excited about the Ps5 because the Ps4 was a hit, but no one was excited for the X/S because of the One.
The last two Xbox gens are failing mainly because of the lack of high quality system seller exclusive games. Microsoft going third party will only make that flaw worse.
I feel like one big issue with Xbox since Xbox One is their console release cadence has been like this: 2013: “HEY GUYS CHECK IT OUT! XBOX ONE!” *crickets* 2016: “HEY GUYS LOOK! XBOX ONE S!” *crickets* 2017: “YO CHECK IT OUT! XBOX ONE X!!!!” And it’s been like that ever since. They’ve rested on their laurels of brand loyalty, expecting everyone to buy their consoles without actually putting the work in. You actually have the live in between console releases. When the One X was announced, I was still waiting for a reason why I should buy a base Xbox One, let alone a mid gen refresh for TWICE the price.
I’ve Been On Xbox Since The Half Way Mark Of The 360 Just To Play Halo. Once 343 Took Over; I’ve Been Struggling To Stay On Xbox Since. This Year After I Got My PS5; I Haven’t Touched My Xbox Series S Since Then. It’s Been About 4 Months Now.
Yeah, they picked the worst of all worlds. Neither unique enough to warrant one to remember the name (Gamecube, Wii, Switch etc) nor simple enough (PS, PS2, PS3 etc). The whole mess with Xbox One, One X, One S, Series S and Series X is just stupid. Why not just name Series S and Series X to Xbox S2 respectively Xbox X2? If they ever were to release a mid-geb refresh just called them S2 Plus/X2 Plus. Why even replace One with Series considering the major similarities between the console generations?
They proceeded to salvage the Xbox one image and as they were rebuilding, they cratered it again with non exclusive IPs and game pass. And then they proceeded to split the hardware so devs need to make two variants for “””one system”””. They should’ve just targeted the 400 dollar price range with one console and actually make good exclusives but again, they’re going after the gaming market, not you know, Xbox owners that are looking for a reason to buy the next gen
For someone who started last generation first with a PS4, it's ironic how PS4's sold extremely well while their launch library was absolute garbage. The first two years of PS4 were supported mostly by the Indie community. Xbox One launched with a fantastic line up of fantastic titles.
I remember both being pretty trash at launch. I think purchased my PS4 around Feb-March in 2014. I remember only playing Battlefield 4 for the first few weeks with my friends. As i recall, Xbox didn't really have many title either. A few were like brand new titles (nobody really cared about them) but everything else was the same 3rd party games.
If Microsoft announces yet another confusing name for their next console, it will be their last. Phil Spencer has kept the brand alive, but staying alive is not enough and they need to move on. When he said “good games won’t sell consoles” that was the final straw. The next Xbox won’t catch Sony, but if they can cultivate a library of high quality exclusives, continue with their competitive hardware at a competitive price, and localize tremendously better in Japan (their marketing sucks there), they would have some actual profit to earn. We all know Xbox has been an endless money pit for Microsoft. Either do it right or not at all.
Which same shit? PS5 Pro was meant to be top-of-the-line enthusiast product. They didn't aim pops to buy it. They aim to learn for PS6, which everyone will get.
Xbox (all generations) has been a major part of the video gaming world for 23 years and will continue so for at least another decade. Calling it one of the worst consoles ever made is incredible ignorant.
The story of the Xbox One reveal is eerily similar to the Sega Saturn, where Sony strides on stage and roasts the competition right after. Then Dreamcast and Series S/X practically had to give stuff away for free to try and keep things afloat.
I think naming their consoles also played a big part. I genuinely didn't know Xbox One was a new console for like 2 years. I thought people were just really clinging onto their OG Xbox. I thought PS4 and Wii U were the only newest consoles at that time.
I agree xbox one is an awful name, but I gotta question who thought calling the current gen systems series S and X. It seems confusing with the one S and one X
Hmm. Actually now that I think about it. Maybe they wanted to fill in the void from that generation they wished they didn't lose. Just re-stating that idea they had. But obviously making fit in back into gaming instead of...television
Okay now I've seen some more. It seems they wanted to catch up with PlayStation. All about the game libraries. I think that's why did the series s. Smaller all digital less powerful. Easy to switch to. Oh! Now I get it. That's what game pass is. A smart subscription where even if people already have been with playstation they can switch easily to xbox and with gamepass have something to play. Series X is a more capable version too. I think now we wait to see what happens with PlayStation Pro. Xbox all of its issues
and what Nintendo's next move will be.
Xbox One should've been called Xbox 720
if you're already confused. wait for Microsoft next gaming console. XBOX GEN S and GEN X.
The design is just as bad, criticise the PS5 design all you need, but you can clearly differentiate it from the PS4, you can't with the Xbox series s and Xbox one s. Not to mention the fact the newer consoles look so modern yet still go by that ridiculous "S" and "X" branding
I'm convinced Don Mattrick was on Sony's payroll. I can't comprehend someone naturally being that incompetent or that tone deaf.
You can't?! You should take notice then, because he's not the exception, but the rule, when it comes to people like him.
I would take truth telling Don over lies and copium merchant Phil Spencer any day.
Any exec or person at the top who is truthful will always be looked at badly because what they say is counter to the corporate big wigs and the deluded fanboys of the said console.
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Don Mattrick is better than Phil Spencer.
Kinect being forced was really dumb because the price point is important then you are competing against PlayStation.
They forced kinect then they dropped it so so quickly! Kinect was cool but it's not for gamers, kinect is only good for keeping fit and playing with the family.
Because they dropped kinect so quickly it makes me think they changed their mind before the reveal.
I remember watching Sony's E3 2013 live and it was absolutely insane. Right then and there you knew Xbox was done.
For me it was when Sony made the instructional video skit of how PS4 owners can borrow games. They were straight up trolling Xbox at that point.
@@Cakebattered Yeah that was too funny. The height of the console wars and it was already over before it really began. The best part was the Xbox fans in denial on forums.
I was one of them.
@@Cakebattered F
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Respectfully, they are also failing this generation. The head of Xbox doesn’t know what the heck they wanna do with Xbox and have fumbled the generation juggling ideas around and not taking advantage of properties that Xbox has.
Sony this generation as been terrible, this coming from someone that only had Playstations, despite this Xbox is still failing to compete, i hope they release something good to compete with the Ps5 pro otherwise the next generation of consoles is going to be terrible
They are failing in the traditional sense not in the overall gaming company sense. Xbox has evolved to be above just consoles. Im not defending them or anything just pointing out that it seems the focus is to no longer “win” a plastic box selling competition.
@@puljz8551you should hope they don’t release a “pro” competitor. Waste of time. PS5 pro is such a minor upgrade and people are getting fucked over for some old games to look slightly better.
@puljz8551PlayStation this generation has been pretty great, idk bout you and Ik not as good as the PS1 and PS2 era but still doing very good for a next gen console (ok a low bar but still)👍
@@captaindestruction9332since all of xbox's games are on PC as others have said imagine if Microsoft just decided to sell a "pc box* to replace the Xbox, and call it the "DirectX BOX" it would sell like crazy if it's priced well with traditional consoles
Xbox one was a disaster. I still blame Don Mattrick. The 500 dollar console with the stupid Kinect, the TV focused E3 conference etc etc. Its a dam shame. Who knows how many more good games we could have had.
I really enjoyed the Xbox one starting around 2016. But those first three years it was sitting cold while I played my 360
They were trying to copy the success of ps2 being the “tv”
This is bad for us PlayStation fans too as Sony gets arrogant, lazy, complacent. And then you get a situation like the PS3. The PS3 was undoubtedly a great console in fact to this day it is my favorite console of all time but fact of the matter is when Sony released it they had the same mentality as Xbox when they released the Xbox one and they were way to expensive and Sony didn't really car thinking the PlayStation name alone would be enough to sell consoles. And most multiplatform games looked and ran horribly on PS3 compared to 360.
Did you even watch the video? MS gain some success with 360 giving them confidence to go full anti consumer thinking they would get away with it. Sony haven’t tried anything close to what MS attempted then or since like trying to spend competition out of business. Jack Tretton got cheered for literally just repeating consumer policies already in place, that’s how bad and anti consumer MS was then.
The ps3 sold more than the xbox 360 😅
@@ErgoDog big reason for it was that Xbox 360 was rushed a lot of ways + the huge design flaw in it that caused all sorts of failures such as red ring of death. by the time those problems got more solved, PS3 had become less expensive + picked up the momentum needed for it to become far better selling. In very end, it was smart move include blu ray drive as it was basically 2 systems in one. game console AND blu ray player for the house.
Sony already has started being arrogant and lazy. 😢
Yup 100%. This is why we're getting a $700 pro.
As a Playstation loyalist, the constant fails of Xbox are a bad thing to me because competition is a good thing, with no good rival, Sony is becoming complacent, and a balance is needed to create a good industry, and right now the scales have been tipped for far to long on Playstation. I hope it's not too late if it is the consumers suffers.
Agreed. They are overconfident and 💰 hungry. They also have made their money already and are still continuing to do so with no competition in sight.
Just be honest with me:
Xbox got the best console prices and specs ever
And ps got those exclusives that are amazing
Following Xbox's paid multiplayer model is not "a good thing." Never understood the sheepish claim multiple companies in a market automatically means its going to generate better things, when "price fixing" is a known tactic.
PS5 is also not that great Dude
I’m in the same boat. I love PlayStation but it’s crazy how Xbox isn’t even competition anymore. Even Nintendo is doing way better than Xbox.
This is the definition of “you HAD it, then you LOST it”
I believe the term is “fumbling the bag”
no. it isnt. NO VR, NO GYRO, NO ADAPTIVE TRIGGERS, NOT EVEN HAPTICS = DEADBOX
In another timeline the Xbox 720 was the best selling console of all time and Halo 5 was a revolutionary game that pushed the industry to make even greater titles, eventually leading to a Golden Age of Humanity where all war, hunger, poverty, illness, and console exclusives ended in 2020 with the release of Cyberpunk 2077 being completely flawless.
What Jamaican blend are you smoking?
@@DontKnowDontCare6.9 don’t know, don’t care
@@eclipseRzReading this is enough to make any gamer cry
@@JackHagar the timeline where Harambe learned to dodge
@@DontKnowDontCare6.9 I don't know either but what I know is I want some
"good games won't boost console sales" -phil spencer
truly spoken like a company which hasn't produced a game above mediocre in over a decade
They finally did. Indiana jones
10:16 from the creators of $299, come the acclaimed sequel, $399.
2024: $699 🙄
and ignore the prequel of $499
The PS3 was $499 for the 20 GB no wifi model, $599 for the far superior version, and now $799 for a GPU upgrade on a platform that has a couple handfuls of true exclusives.............
No sympathy for them. Xbone was an unmitigated disaster. I was an early adopter of the xbox and a day one 360 owner. I watched the showcase live at the time and immediately thought "well that's me done now, I'm going to PC"
Moving to PC and watching console drama is like moving to Canada and watching the US election.
"Huh. Yeah, nope. I'mma be over here."
@LochNessHamster hey I find dumpster fires of any kind make good entertainment.
PC gamers take every opportunity to let you know they play PC, I swear
@@JamesEatWorld7758 When you spend several years saving money and learning how to build a PC, you tend to have an appreciation for it. Especially when you see people squabbling over which corporate overlord is more desirable to be chained to. Consoles don't have to be horrible, but they are, and they're getting worse. PC is the great escape. It's not about being better. It's about being happy.
@@LochNessHamster PC gaming is cool but it's very obvious why you guys get defensive when people make fun of you. And they will keep making fun of you as long as you give silly reactions.
Nintendo bounced back from the wii u
Sony bounced back from the ps3
Xbox flopped harder after the xbone
But will Sony bounce back from ps5?
@@JonathanWillow-zz7rb they've won this generation vs Xbox. They have nothing to bounce back from.
@@JonathanWillow-zz7rbps5 is kinda dry rn but oh man they're doing a lot better than whatever xbox is doing
@@devaraft yeah ps5 sold double the units than xbox series currently
Is the PS3 a failure though? It’s one of the best selling systems of all time selling 80 million units, outselling the Xbox 360. Sure it didn’t do PS2 numbers but realistically no console is going to do PS2 numbers
Equally important are the aesthetics and UI. When I boot my PS5, the console, controller and interface FEEL like a next gen console. When I boot my series X; the UI, console and controller are damn near all identical to the last gen. It feels more like a cheap update rather than a next gen console.
ps5 pro is the next cheap update.
Nintendo will remain the innovator, I suppose.
Really? Sounds like you're just being a PS sheep.
The PS3 still looks and feel more next gen to me than PS5...
Wtf r u talking about lmao
Ps3 intro is better, youre just biased for Sony and playstation
Phil Spencer's idea that Xbox lost "The Worst Generation to Lose" solely based off of the accumulation of digital libraries runs into a brick wall when you look at what Nintendo did after the Wii U failed in an far worse fashion than the Xbox One did.
Like Sony & Microsoft, Nintendo also was growing an online digital library centered around Nintendo Network - the shared online platform for the Wii U and the 3DS.
*Nintendo completely threw away that digital library with the Switch.* Nintendo decided that the Switch was so much different than Wii U/3DS both tech & reception-wise that it needed to start its digital library over from scratch, to the point of shutting down the old storefronts & making the old systems' games unavailable to purchase anymore.
...And yet the Switch stormed past both PS4/Xbox One, is now the 3rd highest selling console in history, and is attempting to beat the PS2's record, with the "digital library" being a total non-factor.
Instead, the Switch won the generation with 3 simple tried & true methods:
1)Appealing hardware that attracted customers, which in turn brought in 3rd parties wanting to cash in.
2)Smart & precise marketing.
3)GOOD GAMES. LOTS & LOTS OF GOOD EXCLUSIVE GAMES. WHICH IS SOMETHING XBOX HAS TOTALLY FAILED AT.
This misguided & defeatist attitude is why Phil Spencer needs to be fired. He's been in his position for far too long with little to no improvement to show for it. Game Pass and their hardware philosophy does needs to be reformed, yes, but the actual games made by all of his acquired studios have disappointed across the board. The lack of good exclusive games have killed consoles time & time again.
yes, Phil's mentality is killing the Xbox brand, he saved it once back in 2013 but now he's the one running it to the ground.
Agree. Sure xbox one make a significant damage to the brand but come on. If the series consoles would be really good people wouldn't be ignore them just because of the old games that they never gonna play again.
Wow I never looked at it that way.
@codezero7981 Phil didn't save Xbox. He just left the body on life support and gave fans false hope. The first 3 years of Xbox One was better than anything Xbox gamers have witnessed since.
Nintendo can always bounce back because they have the strongest line up of exclusives by far.
Even better, their exclusives still have very few AAA substitutes. Sure, you can find indie Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing and Zelda clones, but how many AAA ones? And how many at that quality?
Xbox had nowhere as deep a line up of exclusives AND they had AAA substitutes. Halo, Gears, Forza all have equivalents.
Xbox is great at fumbling pretty much everything they try lol. Like the leadership there is unbelievably incompetent. At least from the outside looking in. The list of fumbles is endless
Even when they were hot, they fumbled with the RROD.
I even saw in their “Power On” documentary that they were even offered GTA III as a launch title for the OG Xbox and they turned it down.
Yeah it’s a safe to say they have a long track record of fumbling around
They also turned down Spider-Man.
@@robertharper3114While RROD was a major engineering mistake, everyone seems to agree that Microsoft leadership dealt with the situation in an exemplary way.
Halo tv show lol.
*Microsoft in the end are to blame*
Also GamePass is killing the Xbox Series s/x.
MS has trained Xbox gamers NOT to buy Xbox games,
Low game sales = low user base = sell on Playstation.
Sony is being too cocky towards their user base, that $700 price point for the PS5 Pro does not encourage people to buy / upgrade (why would you want to upgrade anyway?) from their base model PS5's.
Yeah they are in a death spiral, and they just keep feeding it.
@@Lifeless188 that's Sony's own problem.
At least Playstation gamers still have PS5, along with its exclusives AND Xbox games coming in (Project lateral)
It's no where near as bad on the Playstation as it is on the Xbox because 3rd party studios are better making games of the Playstation.
Besides Microsoft not wanting to compete has left the Sony unchallenged.
@@baronvonslambertfact check?
In their mind just like meta they are hopping into a trend to come, just like the tv initiative, but for all we know they become a service, we move to the generic playing game device, and out of nowhere netflix or apple releases a game service and desimates xbox, they should be in the business of making good games, even if they make a service or a console that's all there is to do.
Its kinda funny how when I was a kid Everybody was saying Nintendo is gonna disappear and the Xbox will be around forever
XBox execs are clueless. When they first acquired Rare, an exec visting Rare studio said something to the effect of:
Cool, we own Donkey Kong now. (After seeing the DKC rendered posters)
By the trajectory of Wii U and Xbox 360, it should've been. That's how hard they fumbled.
Bro I never heard anybody saying Nintendo is going to disappear yall was tweaking 😂
@jumpman2326 in 2006 everybody was saying that, the gamecube was viewed as hot garbage and sold poorly and the N64 had failed to capture as much of the market as the Snes, meaning Nintendo had been on a downward streak for years, then long time rival Sega went out of the console business too which made it seem even more likely as well as the meteoric rise of Xbox and Sony, many people thought that Nintendo would just make games on Playstation in the next generation, Just because you're five years old and the switch has been out your whole lifetime doesn't mean that Nintendo has always been top of the world.
I also meant disappear from the console market too which I didn't specify but thought was obvious given the context of the video
@@jumpman2326 The subject of Nintendo potentially going third party was actually a hot topic back around 2004. Sony was on top of the tech world, Gamecube was floundering so much even Xbox was outselling it, Game Boy Advance was getting long in the tooth and barely propping up the company, and no one knew if the DS would be successful back then. Hindsight is 20-20.
As a lifelong Xbox fanboy, the Xbox One disaster lives rent free in my head. I think about it a lot.
Dont you have an offline job to worry about?
Not gonna lie xbox being a 3rd party publisher sounds more stable than whatever they are doing.
PS monopoly is really bad for all
@@sleepy_shivers Nintendo is in the handheld and low specs market. Nobody has ever thought if they should get a gaming PC, PS5 or a switch because the switch is a totally different thing to the other two.
Pc gaming is calling
Playstation has been on top since the beginning of their console debut
@@cynbloxy gaming is still gaming low spec or handheld no one gives a shit if they play and sell well
@@Matanumi Can the switch run new AAA games?
Series X is a powerful console sad it ain’t selling much. People don’t know but developers have to develop games that will run on X one, one S/X, Series s and X. Developers did stated to much dev time.
@@baronvonslambert the PS5 is just as successful as the PS4 in terms of sales right now. Sony's consoles are still doing extremely well but the industry has simply changed for the worse.
@@baronvonslambert ok? The same thing happened with the previous generations of consoles as well, are you going to call the PS4 a failure as well?
@@TruTrae ps5 is very successful because no one buy a xbox now. This generation is beyond bad. If Nintendo can put on a new console as powerful as ps5, People could ending buying the new Switch 2.
Honestly, this generation is turning more and more people into pc gamer. If they go full digital, what the point of owning a console?
Ps4 was the last good ps to me
Than xbox one X and series S would be my next console because of the specs
@@RockyLaRosa I currently own both PS5 and series X and I say this they should abandon the series S because it has stopped Xbox from getting FF16 and has made them wait an extensively long amount of time for BG3
9:58 I'm sorry, but even as a PlayStation fan, I find the line "the company fighting for the people" to be incredibly cringe. They were fighting for their place in the market and themselves. No one else.
And they did that by giving the people a superior product and service
I think Phil is just trying to make excuses and shift the blame away from himself/his team.
Sure, xbox one make some serious damage to the xbox brand but main reason why "series consoles" are not successful is the current Microsoft and not old games that people are not going to play again.
I bought Xbox one because there was some interesting games (Forza horizon 2/3 and sunset overdrive) but nowadays the are releasing everything (and more) on a PC and even the ps5. There is simply no reason for me to buy an xbox.
Phil is trying his darndest to save Xbox.
Xbox and Microsoft actually have different goals. Microsoft is doing way beyond gaming. They do goverment contracts, military, enterprise, etc. They don't want to be associated with fratboy gamer bro image (the identity Xbox built in their 360 days.)
Xbox to Microsoft is unlike PlayStation to Sony. Sony is basically PlayStation now. If PlayStation dies, Sony dies. Xbox on the other hand, is a mere expendable to Microsoft.
Remember the rumor that Microsoft was planning to sell Xbox? Also, they rebranded Cortana in Windows into Copilot. Because they don't want to be seen as a gaming company. Microsoft has more important things to do.
That's why Microsoft focused so hard on Kinect for Xbox One. They don't want bro gamers, they want to be a professional, safe, family-friendly corporate tech giant. Think Minecraft, Flight Simulator, and Forza Motorsport. That's what the image Microsoft wanted to be represented with.
Mattrick was a Microsoft guy. He did what he could to meet all the criteria Microsoft wanted. Turned out gamers didn't like that, thus Xbox One lost.
Phil, a gamer himself, works on Xbox's side. And his strategy to appease Microsoft is to shift Xbox into GamePass (a cloud service provider, what the CEO of Microsoft is know to be very fond of.)
The consoles are basically just accesories now. Even the names are non-sensical. What does "Series" even means? They didn't even bother to design a new controller.
Phil sees Xbox Series as a gateway to GamePass. Without GamePass, Microsoft wouldn't even bother with Xbox. Without Phil, Xbox would have gone the way of the Atari right now.
I talked to a guy who owned an xbox one.
He still went with PS5 due to xbox insisting om proprietary storage.
Huh?
@@Sandwich14-e9c PS5 supports gen4 nvme drives (you don't need an overpriced licensed drive for it).
Yeah, that was a baffling decision from a tech company like Microsoft. Sony is the one keeps insisting on proprietary media (MemoryStick, UMD, etc.) but no, they have learned their lesson.
Xbox doing proprietary SSD is so out of character. Like, why??
they even opted for slower internal storage just so it’d be compatible with proprietary expansion storage cards
Definitely not out of character, Microsoft did the same thing with their overpriced hard drives for the 360.
I was told there's a Mattrick statue in Sony HQ.
11 years later and I'm still fascinated with that launch. It should forever be used as a master class of what not to do launching a new product.
And shows true intentions of all companies. They want us to own nothing and rent and lease our lives.
It's been obvious to gamers, specifically Xbox fans, for years now. They can bounce back and at the very least close most of the gap between them and PS. I have it listed below in 5 steps, but more tweaking will likely be needed on top of this:
1. They need to make the naming more consistent or specific to the console. (I.e. ps 1, 2, 3, etc. Are consistent. Or Nintendo Gamecube, Switch, etc. Are specific) I would say something like Xbox 720 or Xbox 5 or something correlating to the next design. The series is confusing to explain and understand to casual consumers.
2. They need to put emphasis on what gamers actually want, not what they think we want. It took them years to fix the dashboard and allow custom themes (which are still not perfect). They do a decent job of this otherwise with things like Backward compatibility and other features, but it could use improvement.
3. I dont love this personally, but putting AAA games day 1 on gamepass really doesn't make sense. I LOVE Gampass, it is a really good deal, even with the recent price hike. BUT they're going to be forced to increase the price of gamepass more and more. To the point where most may not want to subscribe anymore or can't afford it. It makes them less money and it causes us to spend more money in the long run.
4. Change up the design to match what Xbox should be. The design, albeit minimalistic and clean looking, could be a lot cooler. The original xbox, the 360, heck even the original Xbox One had cool personality and charm to their designs, something that stood out. Right now, the ps5 and the Switch have really cool designs. Even though we all made fun of the ps5 at launch, it's easily identifiable and, again, cool! The xbox series consoles just look like cinder blocks. The controllers could use a refresh design as well, while keeping that Xbox ergonomic feel. The addition of better haptics, maybe adaptive buttons/triggers/thumbsticks too!
5. Most importantly: MAKE MORE GAMES AND MAKE THEM EXCLUSIVE. At least for a few years minimum, or permanently! So that the people buying the console actually feel like they're justified in their purchase. It will also incentivize players of other consoles to buy one for specific games. I bought a ps4 specifically for GOW, Uncharted 4, and a few others. I bought a Switch for BOTW, Animal Crossing, etc. I originally bought the Xbox One for Halo, Forza, etc. Feels redundant with most games going to other platforms.
Well said 👏🏾
Microsoft skipped from Windows 8 to Windows 10, so they can skip a number in Xbox too. If they were to number the consoles, we'd be on Xbox 4. But obviously they never wanted to have Xbox be a lower number. They couldn't do Xbox 2 VS PlayStation 3, so we got Xbox 360. PlayStation 4 VS Xbox 3, can't do it. Call it Xbox One because of that weird TV gimmick, okay. Now we're at this mess of Xbox Series X and S... Can we just stop? Call the next one Xbox 6, to go up against PlayStation 6, and be done with it.
I think you're missing the mark when you talk about unimportant features like themes. Nobody cares about themes. People power on their consoles to play games, not stare at the dashboard. Nintendo Switch only has options for light mode and dark mode and it's absolutely spanking the Xbox Series and PlayStation 5 in sales. Themes don't sell consoles, themes aren't going to save Xbox. It all comes back to games. They need games, otherwise nobody will even buy the console to notice whether or not it has themes.
@mjc0961 Couple things to address within the points you made in your response:
1. I think if they went the numbered route, it really wouldn't matter. Everyone already knows Xbox is 1 console behind PS. The naming/numbering doesn't matter if they went with 4, 5, 6, etc. in my opinion. An example is how the Samsung phones are one the S24, and the iPhone is at 16. Doesn't change their sales or anything, really. I would have preferred they went with the 360-type naming convention (i.e. 540, 720, 900, 1080,etc.)
2. I'm not missing anything. I used the themes/dashboard as an example for my main point, which was for Xbox to actually listen to fans, address issues, and add certain features the Xbox fan base has been asking for for years. I also used backward compatibility as an example of something they included that fans were asking for and Xbox added the feature. But the fact that it took them years to address the issues of the dashboard, easier access to the games library, and other key issues was something that was causing some folks to give up on xbox, maybe you don't remember that. I don't believe the themes, the dashboard or any other software feature will get new sales, I understand what sells consoles are games. I do believe that adding or fixing key features/issues helps to keep Xbox players on Xbox. It's not just about sales but also the retention of customers.
Also improve the game recording features as it is light years behind PlayStation, and stop forcing crossplay on every game. Sony’s policy makes devs include an option in game to disable Crossplay for fairness…. Xbox is the opposite, which means you are forced to play against pc players online
What people often forget is that Xbox 360 sold incredibly well, and that’s with Japan having minimal sales.
PS3 has an entire territory that we’re buying their console over Xbox by a massive margin.
Spencer was 100% correct about the digital games being the cause of Xbox's downfall. I have about 325 PS games, and only about 10 of them are physical copies. Because of this, there will never be another console generation where I don't but the PS.
the point about not wanting to lose your digital game libraries being the reason why people stick with the same ecosystem going into the 9th gen is kind of interesting because it doesn't really seem to be much of an issue, since I used to know a few people who had xbox one consoles who used them frequently, but this gen every single person I knew who had an xbox switched to either pc or ps5, and now I know legit zero people who own a series x/s console but a lot who own a pc, ps5, or switch
it's true to an extent, game libraries and friends.
Xbox One was 11 years ago. The Xbox One is NOT the reason Xbox is still failing. Xbox is failing because Microsoft neither has the passion nor skill or patience to make truly great exclusive games that can sell consoles.
Microsoft just wanted to buy up exclusives and sit on IPs. I remember after the activision/blizzard merger went thru they released articles where Xbox heads were going on about how they're the #1 publisher in terms of size on PS & Nintendo stores.......Like they're taking credit for Diablo and every other game they had literally nothing to do with. I saw they even changed Skyrim in the PS store to read "Microsoft Games Publishing" for awhile. That vanished but holy hell how is that anything to gloat about? You bought these things you didn't make them 😂
XBox is basically a spying device.
@@nothobbesmufc949 but if you ask a hardcore Xbox fan they will swear Xbox is responsible for all those games succeeding due to the merger…..even though many of those games were already in development before the merger. Which is why now the majority are noticing that Xbox buying all those studios didn’t do nothing for PlayStation and its console sells. Or the increased fan base.
Microsoft sat back and watched as incompetence ruined its flagship console IP. Halo has been run into the ground.
8:09 confwence
They also lost this generation because they launched 2 consoles at the same time, the Series S and Series X. Both require developers to put time into making sure both run properly on both consoles.
Xbone/ps4 might as well be the last generation of consoles. Because this one is literally nothing.
Nintendo
@@AnimeXFever54 Nintendo hasn't tried to compete with ps and xbox since gamecube.
@@returnedtomonkey8886 they literally have the number 3 most sold consoles in history. We can say Nintendo doesn’t compete but the reality is that they do. They compete differently and they do it right by delivering games
Haven't touched my PS5 since June since I finished Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth.
@@AnimeXFever54 Nintendo consoles are what parents get for the little kids. But their real consumer are 30+ yo mario and zelda fans.
I skipped Xbox One because #RDR2 was the only real 'killer app'/must have game, so just waited to get it on XSX. Going from 360 to XSX I was shocked to learn that One had already removed CD ripping/custom playlists (which even GTA used). It can barely play CDs, via a bad app. The UI is even worse and more basic - XSX is basically the same system as One, just a more powerful console. 360 had 'Invert Y axis' to automatically change all games, but now gone. All the communication privacy is also grouped together, so some online modes require you to have chat open to all the griefers you're playing with (e.g. to play GTAO user creations).
I have a big library of 360 and XB1 games but I would still choose to restart on PS5 for a couple of killer games. “Worst Gen to lose” is nonsense.
I had a 360 for the longest time and would save the free Xbox One games I got with gold to my account, still haven't got an Xbox One or above because PC master race
I honestly don't even get focusing on digital libraries here because, guess what, the PS5 and Xbox Series X are backwards compatible with physical games too. Phil Spencer is right about how this current generation isn't a clean slate because of backwards compatibility but that alone doesn't determine which console you'll get next. After all, I originally had a Wii and decided to get a PS3 years later when I was a kid even though the PS3 couldn't play my Wii library. I just played games on both. I could see a hypothetical reality where I went from a PS4 to an Xbox Series X because I can still play all those PS4 games, I'd just buy the Xbox exclusives and next gen-only games on my Xbox going forward and alternating back to my PS4 for last gen games.
The problem is that despite all of their aquisitions, the Xbox just doesn't have very many really super good exclusives. The PS5 has the problem of not having enough exclusive games, especially compared to their other consoles, but some of the ones they do have I'd still absolutely describe as system sellers, particularly SM2, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, and Astro Bot. Xbox has basically nothing like that, the closest is Starfield and that game wasn't bad, but it was underwhelming.
This is leading to Sony getting cocky, with the over $800 price of the PS5 Pro (when including the stand and disc drive) and I have a feeling that this is going to cause PlayStation to get even worse from a lack of competition going forward. I've never been an Xbox fan, they've given me many reasons to not want to play on their consoles (current and previous generations) but I do hope they actually get their shit in gear. That said, with Indiana Jones and Doom slated to be cross platform, they're not exactly tempting me.
"Worst Generation to lose" is just a cope for clowns to still try and blame Don Mattrick (when it wasn't even his decisions that made the Xbox One how it was) even though it's been more than a Decade now since the Xbox One launched. It's also to defend Phil Spencer and just how terrible of a Leader he's been for Xbox who has had a Decade to turn things around but still can't deliver even just one AAA Xbox Game that's not terrible. It's pathetic just how many excuses some people will come up with for Phil Spencer.
LOL just because YOU think it’s nonsense doesn’t reflect what the whole world believes
The only way for the Xbox brand to bounce back is to take a break for at least one console generation and concentrate on their games as a publisher. Once they have built a library with hardcore fans, they can release a new console with all their games being exclusive bringing in the fans who followed their games. This is what Nintendo did with the NES, Sega with the SMS, and SNK with the Neo Geo. They all built a fan base first with their games then released consoles with only their games. You want to play Mario, gotta get an NES. Want all the cool Sega arcade games, gotta get a Sega Master System. Want to burn $750, buy a Neo Geo… ok, that was a bad example.😅
10:34 - There's a missing piece of the story here that no one knows about: Preorders. Both Sony and Microsoft had opened preorders right after E3, and a friend of mine worked at GameStop at the time. Here's what he told me. For PS4, they sold their allotment of preorders in about a week. For Xbox One, the number of preorders they sold was zero. Literally every PS4 was pre-sold, and literally NO Xbox Ones were pre-sold. It was after that, and ONLY after that, that Microsoft walked back their DRM announcements.
What to learn from this:
Never try to work against your customer - and never make fun of his worries/questions
Not a huge gamer but all my friends play on console. I remember back then when they said they would tie a game to your game I.D so you couldn't resell a game or even lend it to a mate, this is what killed it for us. They basically just said "we're gonna just get extra money off you, unfairly just because we want to". All of us said never xbox again.
Xbox’s loss on every generation is a result of their mistakes of course but one major reason is Sony’s ability to best them on every regard
PS4 didn’t sell just because of Xbox One’s fail reveal but because it’s a better device all around which Sony deserves credit for
Same with PS5, Sony deserves all the credit for it’s success
Sure losing the XBO generation damaged the brand but PS3 showed us that you can recover if you tried hard enough, which Sony did and won against X360 after the slow start
Xbox should focus on releasing a product users want and willing to buy instead of blaming the PS4 for their current failures.
Ps3 outsell xbox by small margin
@@Venomoustoxins2122 Still outsold it against all the odds
@@joemikami im not defending xbox i was just saying ps3 better
Bro ps3 online sucked donkey balls 😂. Xbox needs to focus on making good games and keeping the console affordable like they did when the xbox 360 came out
@ PS3 still outsold X360 in the end
I see ppl still think this is the 2005 era of gaming again .The true console wars died with the PS4 and Xbox one era. Phil is right you can't just make a good game and expect ppl to buy an Xbox. In order to get ppl to buy an Xbox you first have to get the casual gamers to get one which is difficult because all they play is fortnite, apex, 2k and etc you know the list lol.
For the ps players bragging about console sales majority of those ppl that bought a ps don't give a crap about ps exclusives they mainly bought it for the games I just listed.
also:
-XBOX1 was less powerful than PS4, and Kinect took another slice out of the processing power. Some PS4 games were rendering at double the resolution of X1 games.
-PS4 lets you replace the hard drive
-I bought a used X1 for $100 recently, and the thing is louder OFF than my PC/PS4/PS5 are ON. It also takes much longer to turn on
-and the features you mentioned are all gone now!
It deserved to fail and I'm glad it did
I don’t know which Xbox One you had, but it was definitely quieter than the PS4 - that thing sounded like a 747 it was so loud.
@@baronvonslambertwith xbox one you can use external drives but on ps3/ps4 you can easily change system hdd/ssd.
It's kinda similar situation current gen when you can easily connect m2 to ps5 but with xbox you need proprietary ssd.
Xbox One was known as a quiet console. Yours were clearly faulty.
4k for the one S was to early but the one X with true 4K was the most coolest console for me
Spot on! Xbox One lost in all fronts fair and square, no need to pity trillion dollars company!
Crazy they went into next-generation not learning any lesson. Kept babbling "the world's most powerful console" while shipping downgrade sister and doubling down console-free subscription!
I find the theory about digital game libraries and Xbox One being the worst generation to lose very unconvincing - the Nintendo Switch had zero backwards compatibility with the Wii U/3DS and it's doing spectacularly well. Anecdotally, my gaming friends usually have more than one console accessible anyway, so older games seem to just be played on the older console.
I think a more logical reason is the complete lack of compelling games on the Xbox platform, which Microsoft has made worse by continuing to purchase game studios and then mismanaging them into the ground.
Nintendo caters to a different more casual consumer.
@@Ryan-dk7mm then you have monolith soft putting bangers like bread
9:20. I still laugh at the video Sony released explaining how to share a game with PlayStation 😂
To me, the xbox series x and s feels like a refresh of the one and not like next gen consoles 😅
Microsoft bought half the studios and then started to fire everyone working in them and somehow talks about connected systems, subscription services and connectivity with PCs. And the games? yes thank you
What games
The dry delivery of this has me in stiches 😂 @@AnimeXFever54
As awful their always online thing was back then isn’t that ultimately what ended up happening? For updates signing in onto games etc. The consoles are always usually connected. It was dumb the way they presented them but in a way they were too early into something that was always coming.
Yeah, definitely just a case of them messaging poorly and being too early.
And although consoles pretty much require internet at this point they technicallyyyyyy don’t so they can get away with it
Nope, I can still play offline on a ps5 just fine. But on Xbox there is a problem with achievements. In a few games I never got them after connecting the console to the internet.
Not to the extent they were proposing. Having to to checking in every 24 hrs , not being able to buy used games or share were just a few things they were pushing.
@maybebutwhatever Lets be honest. The entire setup process of a Playstation 5 console assumes you have an internet connection. Very few gamers today play offline, and its proven by the top selling games being online, multi-player games. Lets not forget, Steam started its online-only platform in 2005, and offered the ability to play offline in 2010, before the Xbox One was conceived. Thus Xbox's online-only requirement would have naturally evolved anyway. So all the rage was unwarranted. PS3 and Xbox One ushered in the dominance of always-online gaming as Xbox predicted and gamers didn't go kicking and screaming.
Yup you’re right. “It’s not what you say. It’s how you say it” they turned a lot of folks off by making that statement. But like you said, we ended up there anyway. At least for the most part.
It feels like saying “the worst generation to lose” is a pretty sour excuse considering the Wii U only sold 13 million units and came back stronger then ever while losing their previous install base since the switch isn’t backwards compatible with the Wii or Wii U.
Nintendo didn’t have to worry about the install base because nobody bought a Wii U. They had a completely fresh start with their own library of games that didn’t come from predominantly third party developers. The install base is a problem for Xbox and PlayStation because both of those consoles have an interlinked library of games. Nobody buys a Nintendo Switch to play call of duty.
Man after the Xbox 360 the names for Xbox consoles became completely nonsensical. I actually don't know which is which. Xbox One X? Xbox Series One X? Xbox Series S One X Series X. Just call it the Xbox 3 like a man you cowards. Or call it the Nextbox like everyone wanted
@ACWolfieIsBACK I love the idea of lining it up with resolution standards, that seems like great marketing. The "Xbox 4K" actually sounds cool as hell
@ACWolfieIsBACKthe problem with that is Sony wanted to push 4k as far back as the ps4 pro and 1080 was the res for the xbox one.
While that’s a cool name, it puts them in an unfavorable comparison to the competition.
Nextbox is cool too but then what are you gonna call the console after that? The new nextbox??
Yeeea, they need to fire the naming guy, who greenlit that guys nonsense. Not only one but TWO generations of it.
@@haroldasusus4684 The "NextBox 2" lol.
But yeah that's fair, it's definitely difficult to come up with a name scheme that doesn't directly compare it to Playstation, since Xbox 1 entered in the console market during the second Playstation generation. If they named them "Xbox 2" or w/e, it would perpetually appear as though Xbox is a generation behind, and subconsciously that might come across as the system being inferior.
I still call it xbox 720 and literally slapped an xbox 720 picture i printed off the internet onto my "xbox one" with clear tape. So now everyone can read it say xbox 720
Going to do the same with my series by printing out "xbox 1080" @ACWolfieIsBACK
I'm surprised there aren't more PS players worried about Xbox's state of affairs. Do you think PS will have a monopoly at the palm of their hands and not increase the prices to oblivion because they care about their fans? Get ready for a $600 PS6 and an extra $100 for disk drives (IF they don't discontinue them altogether), +30% PS Plus price increase and say goodbye to PS Store sales, more expensive accessories, because ultimately, what will you do? Nintendo is not in the high performance console market, PCs are too complicated or expensive for most of you, your library is locked in their storefront, you are screwed.
I think people care too much about graphical power on games. Nintendo has something that the current PS and Xbox console doesn’t have and that is games. Gamers should worry about games.
The biggest loser of the console wars will be us, the consumers.
@AnimeXFever54 Nintendo doesn't have any greater library of games than Xbox or Playstation. What Nintendo has is a deadman's grip on the mindshare of parents of young children. Nintendo consoles are electronic babysitters with the least amount of potentially offensive content. Just watch any Nintendo Direct, and everything from the Presentation colorways, Fonts, Narration style, and game choices are all geared toward elementary school children. Calling it "Retro" is just cope.
@@CakebatteredNintendo has a far greater number of exclusives though and because it's cheaper to produce games for their IPs and mascots get far more games. Spider Man 2. Horizon 2. God of War 2. The games take TOO long to make. Meanwhile Mario has been in over 20+ games on the Switch. The Switch is an exclusive machine.
And my entire friend group of 30 somethings are obsessing over the new Zelda because it's fun and is the most fun game I've played all year. Don't need to be a child to enjoy fun.
I'm not surprised one bit. This is what they've always wanted.
Games
That's it, people would have forgotten about the drm and used game and Kinect stuff if the Xbox had good exclusive games. The ps4 and 5 does, and the switch does too, which is why they were able to bounce back from the Wii U. If Halo and Gears were still big franchises, Xbox would be doing fine as a console platform
They had a winning formula with the 360. Literally WHY did they just not repeat that again.
One thing i really hate is how everytime a company talks about an "always on" device they always compwre to the smarthphone
Like bro you just need the internet to install apps you can literally install a bunch of games in your phone and go offline and it will be infinitely more usefull the the xbox one matrick wanted
Jesus Christ, fire the CEO, Phil Spencer, he's taken Xbox down the wrong path.
Xbox should honestly stick to software, the pc app and game pass can continue to carry them far im sure.
Peter Moore will always be the best head of the Xbox brand because he had the correct vision for it: releasing quality titles for the platform and connect the userbase together through quality online services inside these quality games to increase console sales.
I was on a collecting spree for xbox one games when phil gave that awful speech after redfall. Killed my enthusiasm right then and there to keep going. Wish I had heard that speech earlier honestly. Then I could’ve been saved the trouble.
Honestly I like Xbox One collecting still. You can get a lot of great game for super cheap
It’s kind of shame because my OG Xbox One is a work horse I use it anytime I want to play an old game or stream have left it one for days and had no problems.. I think it’s going to do very well in the modding marketplace a few years from now
ps5 is very successful because no one buy a xbox now. This generation is beyond bad. If Nintendo can put on a new console as powerful as ps5, People could end up buying the new Switch 2.
Honestly, this generation is turning more and more people into pc gamer. If they go full digital, what the point of owning a console?
If Nintendo ever made a powerful console I will just stick to that and pc
Nintendo is not competing with PlayStation anymore. Switch is a ps5/pc companion console
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 Nintendo does not need to ''compete'' with playstation. The switch has a massive success. If the next switch 2 can be as powerful as a ps5. More and more will go back to Nintendo.
can you imagine being able to play the next zelda-mario + let say the next gta 6 on your switch 2? I can see a combo of pc + switch 2 for the next generation.
Do you want to start building up a digital library on Pc when you have a huge one already on PlayStation? I don’t think so and so many others. For someone who has been playing on PlayStation for more than a decade now I cannot see myself sacrificing all my library on PlayStation for a PC. Why would I even think about this?
@@arianoooamari6949 Maybe because the whole ''library'' is kinda over rated? How many people still play the old game? You will be surprise by how many people move on from a game after finishing it. Also, most of the old ps3 games will not be very expensive in 2029. or you can download a emualator on pc. If you are someone who like to play old game. MOD can add a extra 20h of gameplay. Pretty sure my friend had over 1000h of gameplay on skyrim with mods.
Sony didn't kill the competition do hard at E3 since the first (1995) one with the $299 mic drop moment
From what I remember, CEO of Nintendo Miyamoto himself looked so disappointed in Xbox's initial presentation. The fact that a man who has been known for being fairly optimistic in gaming is giving you a frown, that was an ill omen.
One thing you forgot to mention about the Kinect was it’s always listening / spying critism
You knew a console named ONE when it's actually number 3.. is going to lose before it even starts lol
Sucks because there are some decent titles on Xbox 720
But Microsoft is so obsessed with sucking up tons and tons of money from Digital games/Digital Media and digital everything...they think it'll be their saving grace, but it'll be their own demise!
The Snap feature was pretty neat ngl. I was sad when they fazed that out.
GamePass is TERRIBLE and the "value" proposition needs to be challenged.
1. There's No value in not owning one's game.
2. There's heaps of better game sales like Steam/GOG
I hate modern video games so i might as well try them on gamepass. I will never buy them separately. Gamepass is a must if you live in a third word country. I can still buy my favourite old games and i can be in touch with a modern gaming(despite hating it) for like 70$ a year.
Gamepass is great. I got to try the Persona series, played Persona 3-5, played the Arkham games, GTA, Star Wars Jedi, Resident Evil, Fallout, PayDay, Celeste, Mortal Kombat, Control, Crash Bandicoot, Dead Space, Mass Effect, Doom, Dragon Age, Red Dead Redemption 2, Yakuza, NBA 2k, MLB, FIFA, Lies of P, It Takes Two, Tomb Raider, etc etc.
@@Vadim_Slastihinunfortunately it's now significantly more than $70 a year
Renting games used to be a thing; Game Pass fills that void and is a much better value than before.
If you're buying games digital on console, you don't own them either
The funniest thing about Xbox One was they did exactly the opposite on everything the possibly could. The whole Xbox thing is supported by literally a Halo game and Gears of War, and what gave them the proper market share was the fact that games did run better than the PS3. And there was fuck all momentum by the end of that generation when PS3 even after the abysmal launch managed to overtake the 360 and was literally full steam ahead with peak game series like TLoU and God of War and Uncharted and so on. So what Microsoft did? Release a shit Halo game, remove all thats good from the gears of war series and make a console thats more expensive and slower. Xbox never was a real contender for a leader of any generation even the X360 one. They just hit it right while the others fumbled. But they did literally nothing ahead of everyone else ever.
Agreed
Yeah this gen is starting to give it a run for its money. Say what you will about Xbone, but buyers were mostly satisfied with the system they bought. They have a strong (albeit small) loyal fan base for a reason. Titanfall was awesome, Halo MCC was awesome despite being rather rough, BC was wild, and Xbox Live was leagues ahead of PSN. They just could not gain momentum, all thanks to that reveal and weak ass lineup of exclusives.
Series S/X was a disaster from day one. No games, weak model, and after all these years the message is you do Game Pass or GTFO. It is terrible.
Xbox potentially losing everything and forcing PlayStation to become the new monopoly scares the living crap out of me. No competion leads to greed, corruption and out of touch decision making. Which we are already getting hints of now with this $700-800 price point of the PS5 pro. God help us.
I mean there’s still the switch 2 and Pc gaming. But it’s weird to think PlayStation might be the only traditional console.
I wonder if someone else is going to join the Console market... perhaps Steam or Samsung?
They basically failed to properly support the Kinect and this is why it failed.
One thing the video doesn’t mention, but was part of the XOne problem, was the design of the console itself.
At a basic level Microsoft went with cheap, slow memory for the console while Sony gambled on more expensive, faster memory. For Xbox this meant a bottleneck in the system with a more restrictive bandwidth. Similarly Xbox’s OS, in part because of the whole multimedia aspect central to XOne and Microsoft’s push to have all their devices use Windows as the base code, meant more system resources were occupied by the OS than on Playstation where the OS’s footprint is much smaller and leaves developers much more room for games.
Couple all of that with a baffling decision of nullifying more cores in the GPU than Sony did on PS4, even if they were the same GPU, and you had a system that was crippled for high end gaming. This is why multi-platform games always had to run at a much lower resolution on XOne, or pare back effects. In turn this immediately created the public perception that the Xbox One was an inferior console for the main purpose anyone buys a GAMING CONSOLE: playing games.
And all of this wrapped up around a design philosophy that was stuck in the late 2000’s when streaming was starting to be a thing and gaming consoles were being used to watch Netflix, Hulu, Crackle, etc. Six years later and Microsoft was operating with the same mentality that people were consuming multimedia beyond games on their consoles ignoring people were watching movies or listening to music on their phones, tablets, Apple TV’s or Roku Players, or had acquired a Smart TV and had no need for a game console for that purpose.
So yes- the messaging and marketing and Xbox One was atrocious, and Sony smartly capitalized on that, but the design philosophy and the hardware itself was poor and inferior.
Bad marketing, atrocious messaging, poor hardware, a weak library, and ultimately a scramble to pivot multiple times in different directions without ever establishing a clear direction for the brand, something they are repeating nowadays, is what doomed Xbox since.
Love Xbox but I remember being greatly disappointed and even annoyed by that reveal in 2013
I had an original Xbox, loved it, but I have to be honest when I say that the 6th gen era was dominated by PS2 and everyone had one. Nobody I knew had an Xbox apart from like 2-4 people. Then the 360 comes along and literally helped to define an era. 2005-2012 was all about Xbox 360 and despite the RROD, it was the most popular system of that era. Then the Xbox one fumble happened and my beloved brand was never the same again.
I don't think 360 was the most popular system of that era when it literally got outsold by the Wii and PS3, both of those released a whole year after 360 as well. 360 was the most popular online console that gen, but not the most popular console because it got outsold by the other two.
@@ashleythomas4112 the Wii was outselling them both and Xbox 360 was a close second, it wasn't until Sony announced the PS3 Slim model that they started catching up to the 360 and eventually surpassing it.
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The Wii did out sell both competitors, but Xbox 360 was arguably the most popular console.
Sure they came in last place but they were ahead of Sony for most of the generation.
360 finished third but it was a close third. It’s not like the sales difference between the original Xbox and PlayStation 2.
The problems are plentiful but I’d say ARGUABLY the greatest one is that there’s NOW “too much Microsoft” in the Xbox.
That MAY SOUND counterintuitive, but before, Xbox was kinda like this “cute little boutique operation” running out of the basement of the larger Microsoft offices and was costing them JUST ENOUGH of an “insignificant amount” of money that the corporate execs didn’t really care what they were doing down there.
NOW, they’ve dumped about $100 billion into them over the past 5 years with numerous acquisitions and the board and company executives are going to WANT that money back (whether it comes directly from revenue or “stripping everything down” and putting all the IPs up for auction at a “firesale,” they’re going to get it).
The problem is they’ve now “pigeonholed” Microsoft’s core philosophy into Xbox: “we don’t care what you buy or use a device for so long as it has OUR SOFTWARE on it” (which is a fine enough philosophy if your goal is just to generate money from it but it sorta “dilutes” and TAKES AWAY from the “unique core identity” of WHY people gravitate to a certain console or another).
I do not think we need console competition we need systems that aren't anti-cosumer, doesn't live off from exclusives games and are just easy to pick up and convenient with the power of pcs and emulation to preserve older games that you literally can't buy anymore.
XBOX One S, PS5 and so on not being able to emulate older games, especially predecessors is infurating. It is lousy hardware engineering because the PS2 and early PS3s could do it NATIVELY. That is one of the reasons why I would prefer PCs, of course you need to live under the hell of Windows but you get so much benefits and even fix issues in the games by yourself.
It would be even better if sony manages to bring their games to pc
Actually even with the digital library problem, they haven’t done much to try and fix it imo. Rewinding back to 2019 for me I just got me a used One S at the time as I happened to stumble upon a good deal for it. Now the problem that cropped up was I paid for Game Pass and that was it, i didn’t really build a library as most of the games I wanted I already had with game pass. Fast forward to 2022 I had enough money to get either a Series X or PS5 Disc Edition. i had no digital library to fret over. Along with that I also didn’t have a PS4 last gen either so the decision was almost easy. But the state of Halo Infinite and Horizon 5 (both of which I was excited for) at launch just soured on the Series consoles completely and now, I am going to just build a PC and the PS5 i bought will be delegated to likely a media box or something to play the occasional exclusive on.
I’m old enough to remember all the shills that were defending Xbox’s decisions during that time, only to see them walk them back over the next couple years after launch. Sadly, that original framework still exists in various forms, so ultimately Microsoft got its way.
They didn't actually go toe to toe with the PS3, The real addressable market of the 360 falls into the 60 million category when you count all the hardware failures and multiple purchases people had to make that discounts around 20 million. That is why Microsoft have never felt like they have grown in the space.
In hindsight, the Xbox One just might of sold a bit more if they kept its working title that Xbox loyalists were using at the time . By that I mean calling it the Xbox 720. Just another bad decision on Mattrick’s part for gaslighting every once of goodwill fans built up with the Xbox 360.
13:52 Never realized that guy wearing Xbox's ticking bomb sweater in front of the executive itself 😂
If it wasn’t for halo gears of war forza ect exclusive Xbox games I would’ve been sold my Xbox for the ps along time ago I currently have Xbox one x and it’s not bad I just wish we had more games and more backwards compatibility games there’s still like a 1000 plus games the left out of the backwards compatibility and that to me is definitely one of the major points were Xbox took the L
I don't think that's the case. Only 13 million people bought the Wii U, but the Switch has over 140 million sales. I think it just comes down to their reputation and exclusives in general, everyone was excited about the Ps5 because the Ps4 was a hit, but no one was excited for the X/S because of the One.
The last two Xbox gens are failing mainly because of the lack of high quality system seller exclusive games. Microsoft going third party will only make that flaw worse.
The xbox series consoles are selling less than the xbox one. Really puts things into perspective.
I feel like one big issue with Xbox since Xbox One is their console release cadence has been like this:
2013: “HEY GUYS CHECK IT OUT! XBOX ONE!”
*crickets*
2016: “HEY GUYS LOOK! XBOX ONE S!”
*crickets*
2017: “YO CHECK IT OUT! XBOX ONE X!!!!”
And it’s been like that ever since. They’ve rested on their laurels of brand loyalty, expecting everyone to buy their consoles without actually putting the work in. You actually have the live in between console releases. When the One X was announced, I was still waiting for a reason why I should buy a base Xbox One, let alone a mid gen refresh for TWICE the price.
Can you please do one about the Wii U
We need a new company in the console market, MS is incompetent and Sony has now a monopoly
I’ve Been On Xbox Since The Half Way Mark Of The 360 Just To Play Halo. Once 343 Took Over; I’ve Been Struggling To Stay On Xbox Since. This Year After I Got My PS5; I Haven’t Touched My Xbox Series S Since Then. It’s Been About 4 Months Now.
The names of all the Xbox's (except The OG) are fucking stupid to be honest.
Yeah, they picked the worst of all worlds. Neither unique enough to warrant one to remember the name (Gamecube, Wii, Switch etc) nor simple enough (PS, PS2, PS3 etc). The whole mess with Xbox One, One X, One S, Series S and Series X is just stupid. Why not just name Series S and Series X to Xbox S2 respectively Xbox X2? If they ever were to release a mid-geb refresh just called them S2 Plus/X2 Plus. Why even replace One with Series considering the major similarities between the console generations?
The Xbox 360 is badass dude
They proceeded to salvage the Xbox one image and as they were rebuilding, they cratered it again with non exclusive IPs and game pass. And then they proceeded to split the hardware so devs need to make two variants for “””one system”””. They should’ve just targeted the 400 dollar price range with one console and actually make good exclusives but again, they’re going after the gaming market, not you know, Xbox owners that are looking for a reason to buy the next gen
Xbox will have the same fate as sega if they don’t get competent leadership
They have one thing Sega doesnt have...
A bottomless amount of funding from Microsoft.
All they has to do was get rid of the camera, make it backwards compatible and launching at $399, Xbox would've destroyed PS4.
For someone who started last generation first with a PS4, it's ironic how PS4's sold extremely well while their launch library was absolute garbage. The first two years of PS4 were supported mostly by the Indie community. Xbox One launched with a fantastic line up of fantastic titles.
I remember both being pretty trash at launch. I think purchased my PS4 around Feb-March in 2014. I remember only playing Battlefield 4 for the first few weeks with my friends. As i recall, Xbox didn't really have many title either. A few were like brand new titles (nobody really cared about them) but everything else was the same 3rd party games.
If Microsoft announces yet another confusing name for their next console, it will be their last. Phil Spencer has kept the brand alive, but staying alive is not enough and they need to move on. When he said “good games won’t sell consoles” that was the final straw.
The next Xbox won’t catch Sony, but if they can cultivate a library of high quality exclusives, continue with their competitive hardware at a competitive price, and localize tremendously better in Japan (their marketing sucks there), they would have some actual profit to earn. We all know Xbox has been an endless money pit for Microsoft. Either do it right or not at all.
..and now Fony is pulling the same shit with the PS5 Pro. How the tables have turned...
Which same shit? PS5 Pro was meant to be top-of-the-line enthusiast product. They didn't aim pops to buy it. They aim to learn for PS6, which everyone will get.
@nabieladrian instead of them focusing on the ps6. Focus on making making games for the ps5. That system doesn't have crap
I remember as a kid we always talked about how the next Xbox was gonna be called the 540 or 720 and was utterly confused wen it became the Xbox 1💀💀
Xbox will go down in history as one of the worst consoles ever made ❤
It’s like I always say… in 20 years ain’t nobody gonna be nostalgic for no damn Xbox one 😂
Xbox (all generations) has been a major part of the video gaming world for 23 years and will continue so for at least another decade. Calling it one of the worst consoles ever made is incredible ignorant.
Ever heard of the 3DO, the Atari Jaguar, the CD-I?
that couldn't be more further from the truth.
@@codezero7981 *crying wojak with smug mask meme*
The story of the Xbox One reveal is eerily similar to the Sega Saturn, where Sony strides on stage and roasts the competition right after.
Then Dreamcast and Series S/X practically had to give stuff away for free to try and keep things afloat.
xbox didn't win any generation LMAO
They won the us cup for 360!😂
None win except for nintendo sony is also trash in specs and prices
@@RockyLaRosa nintendo didn't win either and didn't even sell third party games
I think naming their consoles also played a big part. I genuinely didn't know Xbox One was a new console for like 2 years. I thought people were just really clinging onto their OG Xbox.
I thought PS4 and Wii U were the only newest consoles at that time.