Destiny 2 Lore - Does "Ghosts of The Deep" show us how bad things are for the Lucent Hive?
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2023
- Destiny 2's Lore and Story from the Ghosts of The Deep Dungeon might give us an idea of how bad things are for the Lucent Hive. The attempt to resurrect Oryx, The Taken King, is one of a few indicators that in the wake of Savathun's death, The Licent Brood is weakened and desperate. Ecthar and Simummah's plan to resurrect Oryx might also have helped us learn other things about the Lucent Hive's remaining Leaders.
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The lucent hive should be thankful that getting rezzed with a ghost wipes your memories. Because if it didn’t they’d be awakening a *very* pissed off Oryx
Ngl it’s a very high possibility that nokru used deepsight to remember their past. How else would they still have such a good knowledge of necromancy?
@@Slim-yu1ud they were taught it
@@Slim-yu1ud Nokris taught savathun necromancy, so it's probable that she taught it to some of her wizards before she got risen so they could teach her and her other lightbearers later
@@icicle_ai that Flys in the face of the whole witch queen campaign
@@Fallen-Saint ???? it's not like we're talking about the witch's past, necromancy is a skill that can be learned
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Imagine how upset Xivu would be if the brood of one she despises deeply successfully resurrected Oryx and he joined their side. Imagine how conflicted she would feel since she basically worships him
Not really related, but considering how wh 40k-ish Xivu is, she would be outraged and would do ANYTHING to kill new Oryx, as she would consider him a fake, a usurper. It reminds me of Abbadon and Horus clone from wh 40k.
she probably wouldn't be conflicted because she'd likely see it as a disgrace to his memory and view it as righting a wrong
Now I kinda want to see that
It may not be out or the spectrum tbh. We know that Savathuns ghost got away, we may have her body in containment, that to me says we aren't done with her yet.
We just recently learned that even though Oryx is dead, he's still 'alive' in a sense. With the new dungeon centering around stopping the hive from reviving Oryx, while we did stop them, I think its entirely plausible that Oryx will return.
And with Xivu now coming into the fold, she's torn between her two sisters. She hates Savathun for using the light and breaking the sword logic, but she also holds Oryx in such a high esteem for his dedication to the sword logic, that shes so hurt that their traditions have been blasphemized she almost wishes that Oryx did come back.
@@stephentremblay1465 yeah but the Oryx that would come back, if resurrected by the light, would not have any of the context of the prior Oryx and it is actually likely he could have a bit of a "crow" moment. As in crew got his memories back but since he had the time to build up a new context and understanding of them, his interpretation of events would be widely different.
Look at Oryx. He held the sword logic, the darkness, the Witness, in such a high standard. To him they were strength and truth in equal measure. The hive were a doomed, weak race that lifted itself by the sword and became strong as a result.
But... That was with the context of the Oryx that rose from the ocean of fundament. The Oryx that would rise here would know that the Witness and Rulk crafted the whole situation. That the only truth that the sword brought was subjugation and the subscription to the endless blood tithe.
Oryx would be pissed at us for killing him and his brood, and his sister probably, he would be pissed at Xivu for being so utterly blind and lacking her own conviction, but would also despise his old self for being so driven to the furthering of a truth that was so incredibly wrong.
Mor’ak is a lucent hive commander we took down in the EDZ PsiOps battleground.
There’s also another lucent acolyte called Thul-ar, Acolyte of Nokris (which you encounter through the Navigator catalyst puzzle), which could suggest Nokris is alive and potentially a lightbearer
That would be pretty cool if it turns out to be true, only real hurdle to Nokris being rez'd is that he was killed in the Ascendant Plane and he had no Throne World of his own. I would imagine this would make his body extremely hard to find.
@@S3Cs4uN8 Savathun practically promised Nokris he'd be back and he dies in her court, so his body should be easy for her to find - the body is either in her throneworld or somewhere very adjacent to it
Ghost even quips with "He's not coming back from that!" when we kill him🤣
I would love to see Nokris return as a Lightbearer!
Just spit-balling here, If that is the case then wouldn't the avenue for Crota to come back also be open? Yes we killed his spirit in his own throne world but if they want to being back crota in a fashion, they could with the lucent hive
@@kaneryan4257hypothetically yeah Crota could potentially be risen, that’d be a hell of a time
One of the big revelations from this new dungeon is that Ghost resurrection apparently can be combined with Hive Necromancy, to return to life a being that neither alone can accomplish.
It's apparent that neither one of those paracausal methods alone could bring back Oryx, but it looked like using both in conjunction was about to actually work (interrupted by the Guardian fireteam).
We don't know what the limits for it are, but it could potentially resurrect beings that were previously thought to have suffered the most final of "Final Death".
It's a very interesting idea. Now if only the Lucent Brood would work together with the great alliance of races that stands against the Witness. However, to me, it looks like this can only happen if/when Savathun returns; she's the only one with the authority AND foresight to call for an alliance with all the other races.. and basically have her brood shut up, swallow their prejudice, and join us. I can see this one final allied army making the alliance strong enough to face the Witness' forces directly, not in the least because it would have at its disposal the combined resurrection method described above.
It was explained that Oryx's body ended up in Titan instead of Saturn because when the Witness stole Titan, the cause a gravitational pull so powerful that it changed the body's trajectory and sucked his body onto Titan instead.
Now I don't remember which lord tab armor/weapon this was from but it was from this season so there goes your main gripe about how Oryx ended up on Titan.
Royal Chase scout rifle from Season of the Hunt
How many times do we have to explain that a gentle push wouldn't de-orbit something like Oryx into Saturn, and how many times do we have to tell Byf the lore is explain why he was sucked into Titan.
This man is irritating.
@@sandraboykin7434 Let this be a reminder that sometimes, we get things wrong! Thanks for the topic! Will be letting people know soon.
@@MynameisByf you don't need to shoot through those circles in the final encounter. It just requires seeing the symbol through the circle.
@@MynameisByf i honestly am half expecting, even if only a short one, a lore video of some point once you find out which lore tab it comes from, since is something that even you as a lore specialist missed initially, so would make it easier on the rest of the fandom who are wondering how he got to titan
The Adherent of Mor'ak is named after the boss of the PsiOps Battleground in the EDZ. Pretty sure the only reason his name was used was that he is literally the only named Lightbearing Acolyte. Although, there is an interesting named boss encountered in the dungeon when going for the catalyst.
There's a thing about Mor'ak, he's one of the commanders of PsiOps Battlegrounds, in this case, the EDZ Battleground; in the season of risen story, Mor'ak and the other two commanders has been weakened by Caiatl's Psions, and captured in HELM; but they died after Crow mistakenly freed the Psion and killed in process.
Edit: sorry for my English.
He may be a important character in the story and may be back three is stil a chance that necromancy can ressurected ghosts that died but i don t think that they will be ghost anymore you know but maybe i am wrong, but if they ressurect him he will no longer be servant of the lucent hive becouse we destroyed his belief in savathun before
Although the Adherent of Mor'ak being in this dungeon suggests that Mor'ak may have escaped somehow. Perhaps the Psions' power isn't a permanent debilitation, so Mor'ak's Ghost could revive them later. Regardless, if Mor'ak has at least one adherent running around, actively doing things, it at least implies that Mor'ak's personal ideology/philosophy has influence, if not the Hunter themselves being out there to give orders
so they all dead :)
@@makscepura3572 i think there's a limit in Nokris's Necromancy, based on the logics of light and darkness (yes, there's a logic of light - unveiled -), if not, the use of Necromancy could be calamitous for Guardians, and also Xivu Arath; and if that's true, Nokris has been risen time ago and he's hiding somewhere throne world.
I knew I'd seen the name before and I've never played the dungeon
Byf Alakhul is in the same state as Savathun with the possibility of actually being alive considering his ghost does indeed escape before we can destroy it
Pretty sure its canon that everytime we kill him in that dungeon its cuz he got rezzed, not sure tho, could be wrong
@@slorbonmyknorb777 why would we be killing him over and over doesn’t make sense for him to guard something that is no longer there we stole the tablet of ruin
@@Cumbernumb he can't rule if he is endlessly dead.
@@Cumbernumb he was probably imprisoned there by Savathun.
@@Collin_J no he wasn’t he was asked to guard by her. He has no memories of his previous life so why would he be imprisoned
I really hope the Lucent Hive become a bigger part of the story, one of the only things I didn't like about The Witch Queen's narrative was the underuse of Immaru and subsequent absence of him in the post campaign story
With the ways going. The lucent hive are being targeted by everyone. Cabal, Eliksni, Guardians, and even Witnesses followers. If anything I see Immaru begrudgingly asking for a armistice.
I want to see the lucent hive come to us for a spot on the alliance lol. That would be cool. The Final shape you can be a hive guardian!
@@josephsmith2417 Yea like there's lore of him bullying other ghosts bro let us SEE it in game
I second this. Give us a 4th character slot exclusively for a hive guardian!
So how do you feel about the recent Season cutscene now that we know what we have to do with Savathûn and her ghost
Morak (or however his name is spelt) was the hunter hive commander you fought in Psiops battlegrounds. He is known as morak the light stealer.
Some of my favorite Destiny story moments have come from when our enemies are desperate like the Lucent Hive in the new dungeon or with the Shield Brothers in the Taken King
I personally think now that we have savathun and oryx in our possession, that savathun might have planned for this exact scenario so she could resurrect then immediately gain access to oryx's body.
That’s actually quite possible. Savathûn has a tendency to strategize all sorts of scenarios, so even though we think we’re in control, she is all along
I wouldn't be surprised if she had contingencies or if death was a necessity in her plans. Immaru is just making sure things are followed to the letter. Death doesn't exactly stop an enemy from remaining an enemy.
I think this was part of Savathuns plan. Not to bring back Oryx, but to bring Oryxs corpse into our care. He's still alive, somehow. The Lucent Hive acted quickly not because of desperation, but because this was planned, because they already knew that he was there.
Morak has appeared before! He was actually the final boss of the psion battlegrounds in the European death zone. His name was morak the light stealer
I really wish the Lucent Hive and Hive Guardians were more prominent. Our greatest enemy has our power and they are nowhere to be found? Really big missed opportunity to put them across the system, but it took them over a year to have two in a dungeon
I for one think the Hive is thriving. Recently they have produced warriors boasting more hp than some raid bosses.
Simmaruh? She only has 7.5M xp. Her shield doesn't count as HP. You're just dumping too much damage into the shield. Pop it with Arbalest and she's a joke.
@@Real28 She definitely has more than 7.5
@Real isn't she confirmed to have AT LEAST 10 million? I've seen solo videos where DPS shows well over 10 million
@@josephgaston3267 I can confirm her HP is a minimum of 14m since when I soloed I used arbalest to one tap her shield everytime and still got nearly 14.5m on the damage chart at the end
@@alessandrodonati7863 arbalest does count the damage into the final damage screen. but yeah she has a lot of health.
I wonder if all of the Lucent Brood are on board with this. Wasn't the point of Season of the Risen that Savathun kinda mind controlls the Hive Guardians via projections of herself? I suspect that we'll be eventually allied to the Lucent Hive or a subfaction from them a bit like House of Light. Savathun is 100% gonna come back but with her it's probably gonna be more of a reluctantly on the same side instead of real allies thing. Overall the Lucent Hive have really great storytelling potential i hope Bungies uses it wisely.
Pretty sure Mo'rak is one of the Lucent Hive bosses we fight in Season of the Risen. Specifically Morak Lightstealer the Acolyte-Hunter in the EDZ.
Morak was actually a boss in the lucent battlegrounds. He was known as the lightstealer I believe, and was killed after we scanned his brain for plans that Savathûn had
The state of the lucent hive reminds me of mara's awoken after Oryx final stand'd her and her crew in The Taken War. Bet mara's getting a kick outta this
Could it be possible that Savathun’s intentions were to resurrect Oryx? She didn’t expect to lose during WQ and in 2 truths 2 lies says the taken king will return.
Possibly. While not to the extent of Xivu, Savathûn does still value her family, and may have wanted to resurrect Otyx and show him the truth of the past
@@lucasyamashita5998 We only showed her the truth at the end.
Her plan was to "save" The Traveller and seal her throne shut, so unless she and Immaru have some very quick strategy session whilst we're kicking her arse in her throne world - not beyond the pail for her, this was not her plan.
She is highly adaptable though, and I feel like she would likely prioritise bringing Oryx back given half a chance, so 🤷♂
My thoughts are that this may have been a back up plan of theirs in case savathun was defeated. This hinges on savathun knowing where oryx’s corpse was, which is very possible.
Step a) immaru attempts very quick escape if savathun is to die
Step b) either witness returns Titan at some stage (and they waited for this to happen to continue their plan) OR savathun was actually in control of Titan and planned its arrival this time after the events of TWQ
Step c) immaru commands the deployment of the ship to crash into Titan to action this ritual. Knowing full well it was destined to fail as she expected a guardian response that would succeed in stopping it.
Step d) due to vanguard uncertainty about the natures of the ritual, as well as various other “enemy of my enemy” situations going on and also the fact that we share a mutual goal of wanting to PROTECT the light/traveler that the vanguard ridiculously and actually authorize immaru to have contact with her for resurrection in some misguided attempt at another former-enemy-now-ally arrangement
Makes sense to me, albeit some missing links due to theory crafting, considering this is the hive god of trickery we are talking about!
I might be wrong but is there no lore atm about the lucent hive’s reaction to the travelers death? I feel like that would be a rather important thing to know given they have the light now
I don’t think the lucent hive were around long enough to develop the same level of reverence for the Traveler that we in the city have. Most of them only saw it once when Savathûn pulled it into her throne world, so I imagine they’d view the Traveler more as a battery for their powers than the god that the City and Eliksni see it as.
@Leader Unit H4L oh yeah also their space aliens with most having a pea sized brain
It's too soon to call the traveler dead. We still have the light after all.
@@luisfelipecorreiadelima6329 It might be brain dead in a way, the body still has the link to light but the Traveller itself is gone, so to speak
Hard to really say what it is at all tbh, the Traveller has never really done much besides float, fly away, and spunk stupid strong light blasts
If the Witness has entered a bridge between the Veil and the Traveller, chances are based on what we're learning about the Veil now, whatever the Traveller is, its intentions motivations and or otherwise, is where the Witness went.
I think what would be an interesting twist would be that if Oryx was resurrected, he would side with both the guardians and the light or simply become a separate temporary ally
Reasons being it follows his theme and nature he was defeated by light and dominated by it thus by his own logic he must submit to it and the ones who defeated him
Also through the books of sorrow, we originally learn that Oryx wasn’t as much of a domineering presence in the past and was not only against sword logic (verse 2:3) but originally was rather diplomatic and against concepts like genocide and total domination until being slowly gaslit tricked, and forced by his worm and his sisters into fully committing to sword logic (verses 2:4 to 3:8) in fact we learn in 3:4 that Oryx discovered that they were tricked and was placed into a constant loop of death and consumption for nobody's betterment than their worms which forced him into actually developing sword logic fully in 3:6 which he used to kill his worm, in 3:8 we even know that part of the reason that he kills akka is that the worm is a hypocrite and was desperately relying on him and the deep for survival and power so with this knowledge it's likely that seeing his sister submit to the witness who is just another being similar to him and Akka would likely trigger some form of PTSD and enrage him to the point of fighting against him especially if he learns that all his struggle was for absolutely nothing because he and his siblings were tricked into becoming pawns for the witness
If Oryx comes back and learns the truth he's gonna be pissed and I would be very much down for that!
@@DavidManser makes perfect sense for him to be pissed imagine going through centuries of strife and misery the consent starvation and murder of your people who you promised to save, the absolute destruction of all your former beliefs until fully dedicating yourself to a single form of understanding just to learn that not only was all of it a manipulation and lie but that you were just a stepping-stone experiment by some chuckle fuck nihilist
Alak-hul isnt dead right? After we kill him his ghost just escapes, so he probaly is likely one of their leaders
Hidden probably secured his remains like savathun.
The Wizard Velok (his wife in his first life) probably stole it.
It's odd they didn't attribute that hunter to Thular the hunter boss you fight for the catalyst in this dungeon. Not that it took people long to find the secret fight anyway.
I think the Lucient brood consider us to be small potatoes right now. They've got Scorn clawing at the walls of their last city, Xivu's forces hunting them down, and the Cabal will attempt to probe their minds for information. Anything that harms the Traveler also affect them, so letting us do our thing would be pragmatic kinda like how Immaru will announce major scorn targets once he knows you're listening in on patrol beacons.
@My Name is Byf 14:13 There's actually an explination why Oryx's body is on Titan; somebody commented on this in one of your previous videos, I'll edit this when I find them or the lore entry. Back in season of arrivals, when the the witness Took our planets, it left gravitational anomalies in their place. Well, the one that was there instead of titan pulled Oryx's body in. Before that it was just kind of in orbit around Saturn and monitored by the hidden
Edit: The lore tab was Royal Chase and commenter was Logan Billmyer
Unfortunately Mor’ak the lightstealer died during season of the risen. He was the first boss in psi-ops battlegrounds on edz. He and his group of lucent hive pulled up to the edz and went on a rampage,killing multiple guardians including trials players. Mor,ak would be captured and later suffering a final death due to crow pressing the abort switch on the device that had them in suspended animation.
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I had thought it was implied from the dungeon audio logs that Xivu buried her brother on Titan rather than let him float through space. She mentions visiting his grave more than once. As far as I understand it, she honored his wishes and let him be "worm food" rather than go to waste in the vacuum. Definitely seems less ludicrous than any magic or gravity contrivance orbiting him all the way from the rings of Saturn.
Oryx wasn't buried on Titan, he fell to Titan during the gravity anomalies created when the pyramid ships stole the planets. His 'grave' is simply where he ended up on the ocean floor.
@@kobolddraconneon679 You do realize that any gravity well strong enough to pull Oryx from his last position would also pull a large part of Saturn's ring away like unspooling a hose, right? When we look up, it's still there.
@@merrickdees As I said it wasn't a normal gravity well, it was an anomaly. Titan to this day has pockets of odd gravity anomalies, which is why we have the weird underwater/methane with pockets of air in this season.
Blame bungie, it's their lore.
Yeah the 'gravity' explainations always seem way weaker.
I know it's no stronger but the strike Song of Savathun in the Red War was explicitly meant to be a summoning ritual to pull something to Titan using those crystals infused with Light.
This seems a more interesting answer and implies Savathun messing with the Light for a long time and having plans for it's use. She also was never trying to summon herself to Titan. She was burying Oryx safely cause the Hidden were scouring Saturn for him.
Hope we see a brand new design style for xivus army. Similar to how oryxs’ knights were almost pitch black, Crotas’ were bright red and savathuns are almost grey. Would be interesting if xivus were purple or maybe shaped differently for constant war
Oryx's Primary Brood were purple. Xivu's would be dark green.
Crota's personal army, the "Spawn of Crota" was technically light green. The red "Hidden Swarm" was more of a general purpose army that happened to be subservient to Crota (and then his daughters) at the time.
@@miniverse2002 True, and the Silent Brood was turquoise. But Xivu Arath's Hive appear in green more frequently than others.
Imagine if Oryx had successfully been resurrected with the power to Take. We know he kept the tablets of ruin on him at all times with the instructions on how to commune with the Deep and take his enemies, so would he have become a Lucent Hive capable of wielding both his old powers and new powers?
I genuinely believe there's a lucent Nokris out there too. It does not help considering the amount of Nokris' brrod being revived here, the catalyst boss, and added to the fact Simmunah shares his body and Ecthar's helmet/head is the exact shape of Nokris'.
if NOKRIS was the one to revive Oryx....oh man oh boy. Things have a way of coming full circle.
Glad for your putting the pieces together here. It’s not immediately obvious, all the names, when one is in the fray of battle. Your efforts make the world and the events make more sense.
Honestly can’t imagine following this game without your channel. I love the lore but the game REALLY makes you work for it and your perspective really brings it to life. Thanks Byf!
I've really taken to watching your videos on my dinner break when I'm on night shift. Helping me get through it haha thanks bud!
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The finish of the video with the finish of the ghost is *chef's kiss* perfect
When Oryx died at the end of King's Fall, it only appears like he's headed toward Saturn because the Dreadnaught appears stationary. But it is orbiting around Saturn at the same speed as Saturn's rings.
Mo'rak is the name of the Lightbearer Acolyte we capture in Season of the Risen. He was titled the Lightstealer.
The reason he didn't land on Saturn is ONLY because of the gravitational anomalies caused by the witness when titan was taken, nothing else. He would have hit Saturn elsewise
Love the Regicide theme in the background. Great memoories
IIRC we actually do know who Morak is. as in, he's Morak the Lightstealer, the Acolyte Lightbearer back from the Psi-ops seasonal battlegrounds on the EDZ. and yeah, while Morak himself I'm fairly sure is dead, due to us breaking his mind and then Crow putting him out of his misery in the psiorium, he and his adherants do represent those under Savathun herself, since Morak had been high enough to act as a leader in the assault on Earth and hunting guardian teams.
I love it when byf uploads.
I wonder is we're ever going to see any lucent deathsingers?
Also I can't tell you how much i'm hoping to ally with the Lucent Hive in the future, even if it is just temporarily.
With the ways going for the lucent hive probably. Guardians been thinning their forces for a while and they also have no allies. We also now have Savathun’s and Oryx’s bodies so now comes into the question. Is immaru gonna broker a little deal between the vanguard?
4:28 Well, Alak Hul isn't *dead* dead as we never got his Ghost
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I can just imagen a lucent hive just giving up like sitzing on the ground with the emote that rains over your head
I knew for certain the name Mor'ak rung a bell from when i first did the dungeon, but i never bothered looking into it further because there are more than a handful of familiar faces among the Dungeon's enemy ranks and i just thought, "huh, that makes sense". When you said they'd never had any mention of them in the lore, however, i decided to look into it, and the one thing that came to mind when hearing the name was "lightstealer".
so it turns out "Mor'ak, Lightstealer", was the first boss of the Season of the Chosen's PsiOps battlegrounds, and was indeed a hive Lightbearer Acolyte. He just doesn't show up on Ishtar or anything because he apparently just never had any lore attributed to him and was basically just a villain of the week.
Mor'ak is a boss in the psyop battlegrounds and he's also a lucent acolyte but he's dead now
What an awesome Sunday night. Came home after a bday party to a byf video? * Whips out the snacks and smokes, * tunes in
Please address the Royal Chase scout rifle! It explains how Oryx's body got to Titan!!!
Mr Byf, Mor’ak was, WAS an acolyte that we encountered during the Psiops of the season of the risen. He was, WAS the Acolyte that we severed the light from and brought back to the helm. That Crow subsequently and unintentionally killed.
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11:44 I felt that
We have encountered the lightbearer acolyte, Mor'ak before in the Season of the Risen. We helped psions weaken him and take us into the Mindscape to destroy his beliefs in Savathun and we captured him to learn more about the Lucent Hive. He was also the first boss we faced in the season. So yes, he might not have been mentioned in the lore at all, but he did appear in gameplay in the Seaon of The Risen.
When doing the final boss in GotD, you don’t have to shoot through the circle at the symbol. You just have to look through the circle at the correct angle. There is an audio queue for when you get close to the correct position.
Byf Mor’ak was the Lightstealer hunter from psiops battle ground.
Would people brought back through necromancy still have their memories? Since the Darkness is associated with memory makes sense they would recall their life before death. Also how cool would it be cool to see Oryx using light?
Morak lightstealer was the boss in psiops battlegrounds EDZ during season of the risen. was also a lucent hive acolyte/hunter.
I feel like Savathun coming back to life and becoming an Ally will be good for the Lucent Hive. Because then, they'll be able to continue the paradigm shift between Darkness (everything flows to the Queen) to Light (everything flows *from* the Queen).
@Bulletproof Whale Before that, she has to accept that she was deceived. In witch queen she refuses to accept to do that, perhaps after that she might be an ally.
I have a suspicion that this operation was pre-planned by Savathun before she died. I find it a little bit too coincidental that she would pose the notion of the Taken King rising again in 2 lies 2 truths, and then almost as soon as Titan shows up again, the Lucent Brood crash one of their war ships over the impact site of Oryx's body with a crew ready to commit Necromancy.
I mean I guess she could have been referring to the kings fall raid returning but that's a bit of a 4th wall break at that point.
4th Wall Breaks are not outside of Savathun's wheelhouse, she's done it before.
@@S3Cs4uN8 That's true. I wasn't trying to imply it wasn't possible that she would 4th wall break, just that I find the former theory to be more intriguing.
The part that's interesting to me is that they were trying to force a Guardian resurrection on Orxy. Has there ever been a forced rez in human Guardian history? And also on the subject of forcing the light, Ghual took the Light from the Traveler back in the Red War, and we know what happened to him.
Final thing is that with the Traveler in its current state, can new Guardian's be risen? Our current ghosts can still bring us back, but idk if any new ones can join our ranks.
Ig the idea we’re supposed to have is that they were forcing a res with light powers and with hive magic? I think?
@@hahayay1086 Yeah, as far as we know Ghosts can only rez someone they have a 'connection' to, it's likely the use of Hive Necromancy in the dungeon alongside an unbound Ghost was to try and get around, or at least bend, that 'rule'.
love the lore for this dungeon!
It wouldn't have crashed into Saturn, not in 5 years - that's just not how orbital mechanics works. That's literally why space debris is such a big concern; we're concerned about it being around ("only") for centuries BUT Earth's debris is much closer and being dragged (and burned) by the atmosphere. The Dreadnaught and Oryx were nowhere near Saturn's atmosphere, so they probably would've last orbiting for as long as the rings themselves remain: at least tens of millions of years. Also, such a small 'kick' towards Saturn wouldn't be enough - that sort of thing happens all the time with the rings' objects when they collide, and they're still there. Furthermore, in the rings there are Shepherd Moons' and the Dreadnaught's gravitational influences to take into account, which would likely drag Oryx back up from lower orbits (as they're much closer).
Granted, falling into Titan is about as far-fetched or more than falling into Saturn, because it's super far up from the rings, but 'darkness gravity anomaly' trumps it I guess
Am I the only one who thought when byf said “were gonna pull that thread and unravel the nature of the forces” was a strand pun
Since Byf doesn't seem to want to search the aforementioned Royal Chase that explains why Oryx is on Titan.
Also, fun fact, a gentle push is not enough to decay the orbit of an object, even if thrown from something like the ISS. Astronauts of the ISS don't tether to the station during repairs to prevent them from falling back to Earth. They do it to prevent them from drifting away from the station into an independent orbit away from the habs.
I'm not sure why this has been so difficult to take into consideration for Byf.
Royal Chase
"If anyone asks why you're out here, just reload." -Devrim Kay
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VGS-6: You still tracking that monster near Saturn?
PXC-0: Yes. Nil-1 is holding position directly over Titan. On mark… uh, 27 hours. Rotating off in three.
VGS-6: Long shift. You Praxic boys are cold. Regret your induction yet?
PXC-0: It's not a problem. We don't sleep.
VGS-6: Right.
[Dead air.]
VGS-6: I mean, you do sleep.
PXC-0: Negative.
VGS-6: Come on. I've met Guardians before.
PXC-0: We do not.
VGS-6: Don't make me call in the Gunny.
PXC-0: Your Gunny would know better than to argue with the Order.
VGS-6: Okay, listen JEFF. You're not THE Order. I don't give a sh-
PXC-0: Quiet. Energy rev spooling from the target…
VGS-6: What? You said it was basically dead.
PXC-0: Basically… Verim, record this. Establish direct feed uplink with NavTAC.
PXC-0-Verim: Uplink connectivity is spotty. Gravitational anomaly detec-no it's collaps-
[Inaudible. Interference.]
[Dead air. Silent minutes.]
PXC-0: (Breathing heavily) NavTAC, return. Link reads as established… NavTAC, return. Telemetric positioning pins us on the opposing side of Saturn. Displacement reads as roughly 470,000km. Titan is… Titan is gone. This doesn't make any sense.
PXC-0: NavTAC. Vanguard Recon, come in. Tower actual? Harriet, are you out there?
[Signal Redacted]
[Transmission Redacted]
Oh btw we figured out the explanation for Oryx's body landing on Titan and not Saturn:
Apparently, he never landed on Saturn but was in its orbit until the Witness took Titan. Not sure if it was due to Titan being snatched away or returned, but one of the two caused a BIG gravitational disturbance that ended up pulling Oryx's body out of orbit and into the orbit of Titan, eventually crashing there.
Fun fact, the Royal Chase scout rifle implies that Oryx’s corpse was orbiting Saturn, getting pulled into the Darkness anomaly when Titan vanished due to the gravitational anomaly.
Also the Hive mentioned in the Acolyte was the Hunter in the EDZ Psi Ops.
The bigger shout for the Lucent Brood leadership would’ve been Alak Hul, we never killed his ghost.
I originally thought the acolyte would be adherent of the acolyte that shows up for the navigator catalyst, but that one is named Thul-Ar acolyte of Nokris. That does make me wonder about whether or not he was brought back into the lucent brood. Thank you for reminding me who Simmumah was though! I recognized Ekthar and she was driving me crazy lol.
*sees Papa Byf has graced us another banger of a lore video*
Awwwww shit. Here we go again 🔥💯
The acolyte in the boss room with the name Mor’ak is from the acolyte boss from the EDZ Psiops Battlegrounds.
Hey byf little bit off topic but I was reading the lore tab on the new trails glaive and it seems to suggest to me at least that the Titan and ghost that get segmented in Lightfall’s opening cinematic is potentially Reed-7
Hey Byf--this might be an odd question, but how do you manage all the information about Destiny Lore? Like is there a huge Google Doc you have where you take note of every name or noun ever uttered in weapon lore tags, or an excel sheet where every name is detailed with race/background? It's an odd question I know, but I'm very curious if you have the time~
one thing wrt to the hive "crashing the ship into titan's oceans", I don't think they did actually do that as sloane mentions the ascendant plane at the start, so I reckon they used the ascendant plane to just go straight to the ocean floor
Mor'ak, The Lightstealer, was from a PsiOps battleground, if I remember correctly.
Mor'ak is actually the Hive Guardian at the end of the EDZ Defiant Battleground. His title was "Mor'ak, Lightstealer" as his Knight and Wizard counter parts were "Uul'nath, Lightcleanser" from the Cosmodrome and "Korosek, Thronebringer" from the Moon BGs respectively. Without any clue as to their fate after Crow's incident in the Psiorium, perhaps they have accounted themselves as the current leadership and made this an act of desperation.
I keep telling you Byf, Oryx didn't crash on Titan, he was buried there by Xivu
if i remember. Morak was that acolyte we say in psiops on the edz
This desperation is captured perfectly with the difficulty of the dungeon. It actually seemed like the lucent hive were fighting tooth and nail, sending waves and waves of enemies, having their strongest with a lot of health pools to show the testament of their will to complete their mission and revive oryx. This is one of if not the best dungeon we’ve had in a long time
I thought maybe there would be something on morak but NAH. This is so much more exciting to hear
Byf, Mor'ak is the final boss of EDZ Psiops battleground
14:10 I can't remember where at the moment, but there is lore about weird gravitational anomalies around Saturn/Titan BEFORE Titan was taken by the Witness, and one of the theories of Savathun's Song was that she was studying void light (and trying to use Void) to obtain the light, but also to try resurrecting Oryx. Although Kraken Mare has a lot of historical significance, I cant think of another good reason to hold down Titan like the Hive did without Oryx being there (perhaps it would be a similar biome to Fundament and thus good for colonization? But the Hive don't seem interested in that really... so idk).
Isnt it possible that Titan's orbit trajectory got in the way of Oryx drifting off the Dreadnought?
The fact that all these important Hive commanders just *happen* to be getting rezzed makes it feel like they already have control over the whole process.
10:02 times must be hard if he over here picking up glimmer 🤣
What's also interesting to consider, the Lucent Brood went through all this on what we can only assume is a desperate attempt. They saw diving a Hiveship into titan, and resurrecting the Taken King with Light and Heretic Hive Necromancy as the better alternative over retrieving Savathuns body from whatever vault the vanguard has locked it away in.
Just what are they playing here, hmm?
I think a few things that should be mentioned.
1. The Catalyst for the Navigator makes you summon a Lucent Hive Acolyte who’s a supposed Acolyte of Nokris, so take a look into that.
2. Mor’ak was a boss fight in the PsiOps Battleground from Season of the Risen, so take a look at that however you want.
Mor'ak has been seen before. They were the boss of the Psiops Battlegrounds: EDZ. They were the Acolyte we detained in the Mindscape.
A theory I read is that Savathun still has perfectly laid out plans that she ordered the Lucent Brood to follow even after her death. About Savathun wanting to revive Oryx, they are siblings. Through lore they love eachother. Tough love but love nontheless. Maybe it's just Savathun wanting to bring her brother back as a main goal?
Another one I read is that Oryx's body is on Titan since there's a mention of a ritual using Void Light on Titan some time after killing Oryx. Void Light being a master of Gravity.
Aa far as I understand, Oryx's body came to Titan via the Song of Savathun strike during the Red War
She was using Void Light imbued into crystals to fuel explicitly a 'summoning ritual'. She was never summoning herself and she's been studying the Light for quite some time.
This also makes you wonder if Immaru knew of the plan.
The last time it seemed like Savathun acted in desperation, her letting herself be captured by Mara to have her worm removed, she escaped and got chosen by the light. Which set off the events of The Witch Queen.
She even says in two truth, two lies that the taken king will return.
It’s very possible that even before her “death” she had contingency plans for what would happen if she failed. It’s very unlike her to bet everything on just the plan to take the traveler.
My theory is that after final shape, any continued story will be about rebuilding a second golden age, which is why villains just as xivu and immaru will stick around so that the hive still have a reason to exist
How would Oryx have reacted to being risen in the Light? Or even Half -Light, given the quescience of the Traveller? Indeed how would Imaru?
Mor'ak the Lightstealer isn't new, they were the hunter boss the bosses in the psiops battlegrounds.
My interpretation is that everything going on right now is part of some grand plan by Savathun. She would know that her failure in Witch Queen was a possibility and thus would come up with alternative strategies. She knew some of what the Witness planned and the location of the Veil, so could probably surmise the current situation. If that holds true, then she likely knew Titan would return, and also about Oryx's remains. So, my theory is She left instructions for the Lucent Hive to go after Oryx knowing it would draw the guardians. They would likely sequester Oryx's body wherever the hid Hers away. Third step... Profit? Why she wants this to be the case I can only guess. It could simply be that when Immaru rez's her she's trusting Ikora to question her about Oryx only to use that as an ice breaker to start a different conversation. Whatever the case, I do believe that Savathun will be on our side, not as an ally so much as someone who shares an enemy.
I think you are on the right track, it might follow the story of the 3 sisters of the pit of heresy, where the mind of one was joined with the body of a 2nd to rival zulmak. Oryx Sav and Xivu can be exchanged for those characters in the same way
@Zac A I don't think it's related to other stories. I don't think it's that complicated. Sav had to know there was decently high odds we would end her. Immaru can't rez her cause Ikora probably has kill on sight orders. But, Oryx corpse that is alive, but with no worm, no consciousness, and the lucent hive trying to resurrect means if Immaru shows up Ikora would have to delay killing for the sake of gathering Intel. If I were Sav this would be my plan... plus, ya know, having Immaru bury himself in my corpses guts so he would be ready for the rez, but ya know that's just me
Isn't Morak the Acolyte boss from the lucent battle grounds in season of the risen? Morak the Lightstealer or something like that.
One thing i thought about that would be scary is that the luzent hive could have hid a 2nd ghost nearby as a failsafe if any enemy of the hive find them and try to stop it
Byf, did you read the lore of the royal chase scout rifle? My understanding of this lore would be a possible explanation of why oryx landed on titan.
Wasn't Morak the hive hunter boss at the end of one of the psi ops battlegrounds that we captured, and then subsequently died when Crow turned the Psion machine off?
As they say “Desperate times call for Hiven Guardians”
I wonder if the necromancer could have gotten knowledge via the hidden boss as well, the "Acolyte of Nokris"
Damn Byf you're in a well of radiance you don't need to keep up your weapons of light uptime 😂