Hello Tyler, I rewatched your video titled "The Cancelled & Lost, COMPLETED Half-Life Game" recently, and was wondering if you were ever going to come around to cover the lore topics you mentioned towards the end of it. I for one would be super excited to watch that type of content.
Unfortunately Tyler used to do this a lot, teasing some materials he was working on, but in the end they never came out. In some cases Valve released the content before Tyler made dedicated video about it. I think CS:GO BR was one of those, but I’m not sure.
@@GrzegorzMikos Yeah that's one criticism I have for tyler, he does this almost all the time, promises a video that sounds pretty exciting and then just never follows it up. I noticed that with some of these, he just paywalls it behind float plane subscription as well
What we know as the Half-Life 2 beta, is almost 20 years old. At this point, Valve should allow the community to use these assets legitimately. _Especially_ unused models and textures from around 2003, close to retail. A *LOT* of those assets could be really useful for modders. These assets have been on the internet for two decades at this point, and it's quite easy to get your hands on the leak. Let people repurpose these assets with lost potential legitimately.
What makes me most sad is all of the old music of Left 4 Dead 1 not being accessible. The old style of the music was really cool, and I had actually emailed with Mike Morasky for a while about it. He told me he made tons of different iterations and completely scrapped tracks and I'd love to hear them. I asked him about possibility of posting or sharing some of those old tracks and he told me he just really didn't have the time to go digging for them as apparently the files of old L4D builds are sort of a mess. I tried for a while to convince him to at least look a little, but any hope of him ever posting stuff was basically destroyed when the whole Hunt Down the Freeman thing happened as he stopped replying to emails after that.
@@ezioaugustus2621 L4D beta. I worked with Left 4 Dead Zero for a little while and we were able to get some stuff like some beta textures for special infected and common infected, which the latter was later released in the L4D2 Last Stand update. We never acquired any music though.
What I find most interesting is that they had the money to spend on development that just ended up getting canceled and then they moved on. How many other companies can work on that many projects just to cancel them and stay in business? Google, Microsoft, and maybe Apple? The larger game studios would certainly never do that.
What all businesses hate is uncertainty, ironically that can increase with their wealth (as well as their stinginess). Corporations of that size tend to resemble each other and share some pretty lame traits. The giants you mentioned could definitely experiment a lot and make genuinely bold products that aren’t homogenized and iterative. They choose the safest options instead and cut down on innovation (costs money and is “risky”) and expenses when they have control of a market. They might do something new and interesting if they’re entering a new market. There have been rumors about Apple prototyping cars, VR and who knows what else for more than a decade. AFAIK Apple is very good at preventing leaks from happening so we don’t see what they’re playing with internally. The rest of the exceptions include the rare occasion there’s a new technology or change the bean counters can’t deny is the future or absolutely necessary. Shareholders are also perpetually screaming for higher earnings and will cry if corporations dare to make something that’s not super similar to what’s currently selling the most. Valve’s shareholders are inside the company so it gives them more freedom.
@@vibaj16 Of course Valve has a ravenous hunger for money like every firm their size. To their credit it is watered down somewhat, Valve can be quite consumer friendly. Regardless it disgusted me when the ex employee told Tyler about the cool stuff they won't develop further because it would make “zero billions.” I’d still say I like Valve but I resent them to a degree because it’s impossible not to when avaricious billionaires are a huge reason the world is suffering.
@@protocetid are you kidding? Apple, Microsoft, and Google do a ton of experimentation that never sees the light of day. They can do this precisely because of the amount of money they have. Remember Google Plus? Their foray into social media? Canceled after just a few years because hardly anyone really used it. As far as Apple is concerned, we can tell a lot about what they're experimenting with by the patents they've filed. VR and driverless cars are just two. Of those 3 companies, Microsoft is the only one that has really cut down on innovation, but that's just in this space. They're innovating, but more in the cloud computing space.
What valve could do which would be really cool would be do a steam fest like event where showed a bunch of scrapped content and ideas from old game builds. They won't but id love to see it.
I remember a long time ago on a Nintendo and Museum related article, ex-Nintendo devs have just said that they are embarrassed to release their cutting room floor content and that they'd be happy that it was not released, I imagine Valve, with it's constant X number of producers, is probably the same reason, people at the top don't want it released.
not even just at the top. Developers are perfectionists, nobody (from programmers to artists) wants to see their early builds (which often has placeholder content) be just publicly released for everybody to see.
I don't remember where exactly I heard it, but I remember hearing in an interview with Ken Levine (lead director and designer of Bioshock Infinite) that they had enough cut content to fill two whole games, completely separate from what was released. Now, take anything that you hear from Ken with a grain of salt, but it is no secret that Bioshock Infinite had a ton of cut content that was even visible as being fully playable in their early gameplay demos. If anything, I'd love to see any of that brought to the light of day.
Valve is absolutely aware they did most of the heavy lifting in 2000's video gaming, I can't understand why they are so adamant about keeping so much impactful history behind closed doors, especially for games this old. Literally the only reason I can think of is because some veteran developers would be embarrassed of the old builds or something.
@Mason Howard It generates interest and good will from the community; which impacts their sales numbers. Not to mention they probably could sell Team Fortress: Brotherhood at Arms (drop the 2 since it has more in common with TF: Classic than it does with TF2), I think a lot of people would buy that just out of curiosity.
@Mason Howard While this is true there would be completely inconsequential time and resource investment to just upload the builds. The investment risk is basically non-existent.
we know they wont bother releasing them because they will have to clean sensitive information etc etc from the source and unless Gabe says so, they wont
I think as soon as someone figures out how to make an integrative, dynamic AI system that can take over as your second player, I bet we'll get a simple to use mod for it
@@ZachNohKap I've played through it via the unofficial PC port, but I wish more people were exposed to it and got the opportunity to play it in an official capacity.
Bit of a clickbaity title but neat video. It really would be interesting to see the really locked up behind the scenes stuff. Especially Left 4 Dead 3, even more so if they don't plan to do anything with it anymore.
Well as long as major fanboys keep saying L4D2 is perfect, it gives them less incentive to want to release anything anyway, not that it would make much difference. Shame really because in 2014 the remade plantation looked so good. It still looks nice and clean detail wise today, just not as impressive as then.
IIRC Valve keeps a lot of this stuff under wraps since they may reuse concepts and/or content for future games which is a reasonable stance to take. That said the latter two items you mentioned (HL pre-reboot and HL2 prototype) would more closely match with the content 343 is releasing as stuff that can't really be recycled for future titles in the series. Halo also has the advantage of having Forge where it makes a lot of sense just to drop disconnected bits and pieces in to let players mess with it. Even then they have to invest work into getting these old assets feature complete and working on their newest MCC engine versions. Your examples for Valve don't really have these issues since they are standalone games though there could still be issues with running them on modern systems that could need to be addressed (and nobody ever really wants to do that work). All that said I agree would be really cool for Valve to emulate 343 more. Bit ironic considering all the flak 343 has been taking over how they have handled Infinite.
You are right on that recycling stuff, but not so much on that nobody would want to do this work. They could easily hire people from the community or even just put some voluntarily under a NDA. The community is strong and there are skilled people, that would never miss out on such an opportunity. These are independent games, that is right. They could do a collection, just like Zachtronics have done with ZACH-LIKE. Not gonna happen, though.. Valve is special. They do not want you to know, what they could have released. It's ironical that it would hurt their reputation, just because some of this stuff would be too good.
@@5Hydroxytryptophan Except that the work has to be paid, remaking such things doesn't help in any way shape or form and it's detrimental to them for the same recycling concepts argument. They have no real incentive to do so, just as much as they had no incentive to finish those projects for one reason or another. Not to mention that they legally have every right to bring down any fanmade project about leaked code or models and yet they don't, other communities would be ecstatic to hear that their favourite company keeps leaked stuff public without any consequences, or even better let's them use that leaked material for fangames.
I think the reason why Valve isn't interested in releasing cut contents is to keep them as a reference for future projects, even though there is big chance that those projects wouldn't ship at all. You know like some F-Stop stuff that was repurposed for Aperture Desk Job. I think Valve internally has this "obsessed scientists" mentality where they want people to see them as innovators who make breakthroughs. Because over the years, they kinda are, with products like Half-Life, Steam, Portal, L4D, VR, etc. They don't want their stuff to be leaked because then everyone will take their "experiment" and make money off that by implement it to their game.
Pre-reboot Quiver is not going to happen. They restart anew with a clean slate developing Half-Life. I don't think they have a proper source versioning control that kept that development branch. I don't think they have much source versioning control seeing how stuff leaks everywhere. TF2:BOA? yeah. L4D3? sure. Not mentioned here: Stars of Blood. And whatever Campo Santo was working on when they got hired by Valve. Valve snuffed that game from coming out. It somehow feels random what did got released from within the studio and what didn't. Like Deathmatch Classic and Ricochet came out, but TF2:BoA didn't. Alien Swarm did, but Stars of Blood didn't. There are also second party titles developed together with/by partnered studios. Gearbox's version of Condition Zero looked more polished than the retail one that we got. ESCalation recently released a video on that. A mother lode of CS cut content, that video was! Arcane had Episode 4 installed and fully playable on a PC in their office. Also that other title that inspired Dishonored.
valve is such a bizarre company imo, they have some of the most recognizable and popular games in existence and yet they decide to ignore the massive communities these games have created. they could easily be the biggest game company ever if they just talked with their community of fans.
The thing with 343, is that they prefer to do these kind of publicity stunts instead of replacing upper management. The same upper management causing Infinite to die so painfully.
343i only understands that they can't make anything that the fans like. Like, there's a reason 343i are only doing this now with MCC, and it's for the same reason they did this same thing when they ditched Halo 5 in favor of going back and finally fixing MCC. 343i needs to rely on when Halo WAS good for any good moments, because they're incapable of making anything new to please the fans. It's still a cool thing for us to get, but just felt like I needed to mention this just so people remember/realize that there is a reason for this and isn't exactly just something out of the goodness of 343i's hearts.
"5 Unreleased Games Valve Could Release TODAY if they RANDOMLY DECIDED TO? Wouldn't that be crazy??" Tyler your clickbaiting is absolutely f'ing mental
insomniac did something similar with the insomniac museum, i remember visiting it in Ratchet and Clank 2 and they were showing off there cut enemies and features (even interactible) idk if they did it too for the last ratchet game
Considering how many projects they started and never finished compiling it all might be more work than making a new game on valve time. Would be nice to see though.
The reason why they hate people looking into cut or beta content is because they have a small team of developers as compared to other AAA title companies . They like to secure this data just in case that they may need to reuse those assets in some other project .
I feel like the complaints I’ve seen about this video’s title being clickbait could be alleviated by just adding “(If They Wanted To)” at the end. Then again, I really dunno much about the YT algorithm tbh. Great work as always Tyler, btw!
Ignore cut content. EA and Gameloft straight up just pull the games of my childhood from the stores. Valley of the Gods? also the old timers that actually build those games are probably retired now. And without having Geoff Keighley level access - it might be lost forever.
I wonder if Valve didn't approve missing information because they knew that they could use those locations (the borealis) in future half life games. Does that really mean they hate the communities surrounding cut content?
Don't forget about Bink/Rad Video Tools along with Havok physics. Those are proprietary, and Valve can't legally release the full source of the majority of their games because of it.
I wish Nintendo would do this. They have some of the coolest dev history and cut content and it would be amazing to see the original visions of some of the most well known games ever made. They hate it just as much as valve though so I doubt this would ever happen
I really wish Valve would just do as White wolf let the Fans developer their own version of the Beta maps like all they have to say is if your willing to put in the work and not use any of our stuff you can make Half-Life levels. What I mean was if they took a look at the leak levels and made their own base off of them but didn't use anything from them.
I kinda Get deciding that stolen content shouldn't be like supported.... its sends sort of a "Hey next person who literally swipes server data will be responsible for the next fan beta remake" type message.... I don't Agree with that but... I get it.
Growing up, I was super hyped for Team Fortress 2: Brotherhood of Arms. I was so disappointed they never released it. It would be amazing if they just release what they had for people to see.
Yknow i never really thought about how similar valve and aperture are They endlessly work on projects and tests rarely releasing new products despite the stuff they have made and scrapped being incredible compared to everything else that exists outside
Ultimately I don't think Valve has any obligation to release this stuff, and even if they did it'd probably be gutted and scrubbed of anything interesting.
There are many different things to criticize Valve for, but I don't blame them for this at all. Nobody likes to share incomplete/broken work, especially if this work has been stolen or shared in an unauthorized capacity. So I completely understand them for being uncooperative with these people, especially when much of the leaked content may contain stuff that they might reconsider using in the future, including possible spoilers. Valve already shares more about the development process than most with their developer commentary tracks (not to mention when they work with Keighley in the Final Hours series), so I'm happy enough with that. Could they share more? Sure, but I don't resent them one bit.
You talk about communities coming together to share cut content in a gameplay fluid way, and I have to make sure you saw it... Did you see TASBOT's run of The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina of Time beta exhibition, that was really a collection of content that is on the N64 cartridge but was cut, that is being reaccessed by TABOT editing the RAM on the fly, that was stitched together to tell an alternate story, doing wildly incredible things you would never expect on real N64 hardware? It's wild, and a perfect example of the community coming together in crazy ways to make amazing things.
TF2 is being fixed and is now really playable. This was also pipe dream. With the right persistent fan team they could get hands on the scrums off the table and do a dlc or something like that.
I feel ya. Valve has a treasure trove of stuff they could show off but just don't sadly. Aside from valve, I'm also hoping sega one day shows us more of the sega saturn builds of shenmue and virtua fighter 3.
343 is authorizing the community to develop levels based on cut content that Bungee.. Well, cut. It's cool in a way but you're also forgetting that 343 in general has been trying its hardest to get in the good graces of the community after it has consistently fumbled Halo and driven away goodwill.
I wonder if it's an issue with Havoc or something else. Because it's a bit hard to see why Valve wouldn't just say "f-ck it, put these out." Of course, their assets their decisions but I feel it's also part of gaming history considering what most of these titles ended up doing for the industry as a whole. On Valve's end, I know the community cannot be trusted (as much as it pains me to say it), so why not gather the interns at Valve and pack the stuff up? Would certainly be better than just leave it to rot. And while at it, just pack a moddable version of TF2 for the Source tools, even if it's the original 2007 release. But maybe I'm just doing a backseat developer act, what do I know.
I wonder when will be the year of Valve. Like great talk about them. Game releases, hardware releases, idk merch? I just hope some day valve will just pull something no one expected. Something good I mean.
cut/unreleased content is definitely interesting but online communities act very entitled over it. it's stuff that was never intended to be seen by the public. even if you have interest, please respect the wishes of the creators *not* to release this stuff and to keep it private. i would be just as excited to see some of this stuff get put out or shown off by valve, but it's not something they owe the community at all. i for one would not feel comfortable putting that stuff out into the world, letting people see the inner workings and half-finished sides of your content and creative process.
Imagine if valve went to e3 or something and announced the the lost box - a collection of games/vertical slices that never saw the light of day. And imagine they included the hl3 and l4d3 prototypes, and said something like “the never before released and much anticipated Half-life 3 and Left 4 dead 3!” Along with other stuff like stars of blood and 2009 f-stop.
343 Industries and Microsoft deserve praise for preserving production material in their archives and presenting it a retail game. Tyler you should’ve mentioned that us getting proto data also helps preserve it, publishers don’t always do the best job if they do it at all.
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Hello Tyler, I rewatched your video titled "The Cancelled & Lost, COMPLETED Half-Life Game" recently, and was wondering if you were ever going to come around to cover the lore topics you mentioned towards the end of it. I for one would be super excited to watch that type of content.
Unfortunately Tyler used to do this a lot, teasing some materials he was working on, but in the end they never came out. In some cases Valve released the content before Tyler made dedicated video about it. I think CS:GO BR was one of those, but I’m not sure.
@@GrzegorzMikos Yeah that's one criticism I have for tyler, he does this almost all the time, promises a video that sounds pretty exciting and then just never follows it up. I noticed that with some of these, he just paywalls it behind float plane subscription as well
@@GrzegorzMikos so you could say he became like valve? LOL
i love hla beta stuff.. im so sad he doesnt make vids abt it anymore
@@PMZaphod why'd you think they called him a passionate gamer?
What we know as the Half-Life 2 beta, is almost 20 years old. At this point, Valve should allow the community to use these assets legitimately. _Especially_ unused models and textures from around 2003, close to retail. A *LOT* of those assets could be really useful for modders. These assets have been on the internet for two decades at this point, and it's quite easy to get your hands on the leak. Let people repurpose these assets with lost potential legitimately.
What makes me most sad is all of the old music of Left 4 Dead 1 not being accessible. The old style of the music was really cool, and I had actually emailed with Mike Morasky for a while about it. He told me he made tons of different iterations and completely scrapped tracks and I'd love to hear them. I asked him about possibility of posting or sharing some of those old tracks and he told me he just really didn't have the time to go digging for them as apparently the files of old L4D builds are sort of a mess. I tried for a while to convince him to at least look a little, but any hope of him ever posting stuff was basically destroyed when the whole Hunt Down the Freeman thing happened as he stopped replying to emails after that.
Honestly I wish we could play 2007 builds of Left 4 Dead. The game looked darker and completely different than what we have today.
You mean L4D1 music? or like the L4D beta?
@@hiitoshura Ask Turtle Rock, that belongs to them.
@@ezioaugustus2621 L4D beta. I worked with Left 4 Dead Zero for a little while and we were able to get some stuff like some beta textures for special infected and common infected, which the latter was later released in the L4D2 Last Stand update. We never acquired any music though.
@@mekeith23 How do you know what the old music sounded like?
Valve: "We have all these projects that are really cool that we know you would love, no, you can't have them"
If Valve isn't releasing something, it's for a good reason
@@Zorklis Eeeeeeehhhhhhhh
No.
"Also, this mod based off of our game is stolen content, but all of these other ones aren't."
@@DesolateLavender Come back in 10 years when you understand game dev world better
@@Zorklis artifact
What I find most interesting is that they had the money to spend on development that just ended up getting canceled and then they moved on. How many other companies can work on that many projects just to cancel them and stay in business? Google, Microsoft, and maybe Apple? The larger game studios would certainly never do that.
What all businesses hate is uncertainty, ironically that can increase with their wealth (as well as their stinginess). Corporations of that size tend to resemble each other and share some pretty lame traits. The giants you mentioned could definitely experiment a lot and make genuinely bold products that aren’t homogenized and iterative. They choose the safest options instead and cut down on innovation (costs money and is “risky”) and expenses when they have control of a market. They might do something new and interesting if they’re entering a new market. There have been rumors about Apple prototyping cars, VR and who knows what else for more than a decade. AFAIK Apple is very good at preventing leaks from happening so we don’t see what they’re playing with internally. The rest of the exceptions include the rare occasion there’s a new technology or change the bean counters can’t deny is the future or absolutely necessary. Shareholders are also perpetually screaming for higher earnings and will cry if corporations dare to make something that’s not super similar to what’s currently selling the most. Valve’s shareholders are inside the company so it gives them more freedom.
Any company with an infinite money fountain like Steam could do that, it's more about if they want to do it and just how much they care about money
@@vibaj16 Of course Valve has a ravenous hunger for money like every firm their size. To their credit it is watered down somewhat, Valve can be quite consumer friendly. Regardless it disgusted me when the ex employee told Tyler about the cool stuff they won't develop further because it would make “zero billions.” I’d still say I like Valve but I resent them to a degree because it’s impossible not to when avaricious billionaires are a huge reason the world is suffering.
@@vibaj16 bruh Valve literally scrapped a whole development stage of their first game
@@protocetid are you kidding? Apple, Microsoft, and Google do a ton of experimentation that never sees the light of day. They can do this precisely because of the amount of money they have. Remember Google Plus? Their foray into social media? Canceled after just a few years because hardly anyone really used it. As far as Apple is concerned, we can tell a lot about what they're experimenting with by the patents they've filed. VR and driverless cars are just two. Of those 3 companies, Microsoft is the only one that has really cut down on innovation, but that's just in this space. They're innovating, but more in the cloud computing space.
Valve, when watching this video: "Well, I'm not doing it."
"No, I don't care how *passionate* you are."
What valve could do which would be really cool would be do a steam fest like event where showed a bunch of scrapped content and ideas from old game builds. They won't but id love to see it.
I remember a long time ago on a Nintendo and Museum related article, ex-Nintendo devs have just said that they are embarrassed to release their cutting room floor content and that they'd be happy that it was not released, I imagine Valve, with it's constant X number of producers, is probably the same reason, people at the top don't want it released.
not even just at the top. Developers are perfectionists, nobody (from programmers to artists) wants to see their early builds (which often has placeholder content) be just publicly released for everybody to see.
I don't remember where exactly I heard it, but I remember hearing in an interview with Ken Levine (lead director and designer of Bioshock Infinite) that they had enough cut content to fill two whole games, completely separate from what was released. Now, take anything that you hear from Ken with a grain of salt, but it is no secret that Bioshock Infinite had a ton of cut content that was even visible as being fully playable in their early gameplay demos. If anything, I'd love to see any of that brought to the light of day.
Valve is absolutely aware they did most of the heavy lifting in 2000's video gaming, I can't understand why they are so adamant about keeping so much impactful history behind closed doors, especially for games this old. Literally the only reason I can think of is because some veteran developers would be embarrassed of the old builds or something.
@Mason Howard It generates interest and good will from the community; which impacts their sales numbers. Not to mention they probably could sell Team Fortress: Brotherhood at Arms (drop the 2 since it has more in common with TF: Classic than it does with TF2), I think a lot of people would buy that just out of curiosity.
@Mason Howard the only thing that makes them money is the storefront
@Mason Howard it doesn't prevent them from making money either
@Mason Howard didn't 343 add that content to a game? I mean they could literally just release a collection of that stuff on it's own and sell it.
@Mason Howard While this is true there would be completely inconsequential time and resource investment to just upload the builds. The investment risk is basically non-existent.
“They won’t, but they could!”
we know they wont bother releasing them because they will have to clean sensitive information etc etc from the source and unless Gabe says so, they wont
I'm still wishing they'd released the official PC port of Decay. Great game, wish it were more accessible.
I think as soon as someone figures out how to make an integrative, dynamic AI system that can take over as your second player, I bet we'll get a simple to use mod for it
@@ClankyOtter The existing mod is fine, I just wish it were on Steam so more people could learn about it and experience it for themselves.
Seems like we have to wait for Peer Review,since Valve most likely will not do it
you can play it through sven coop. free hl1 mod. only problem its not vanilla and requires that coop.
@@ZachNohKap I've played through it via the unofficial PC port, but I wish more people were exposed to it and got the opportunity to play it in an official capacity.
Bit of a clickbaity title but neat video. It really would be interesting to see the really locked up behind the scenes stuff. Especially Left 4 Dead 3, even more so if they don't plan to do anything with it anymore.
Well as long as major fanboys keep saying L4D2 is perfect, it gives them less incentive to want to release anything anyway, not that it would make much difference. Shame really because in 2014 the remade plantation looked so good. It still looks nice and clean detail wise today, just not as impressive as then.
@@Spiggle. I mean L4D2 is good. If they just remade it completely in source 2 with QOL updates people would buy it
The Manwich Scene™ was so important that it is a critical plot point in the hit HL2 mod Manwich's Odyssey! (Coming 2023?)
IIRC Valve keeps a lot of this stuff under wraps since they may reuse concepts and/or content for future games which is a reasonable stance to take. That said the latter two items you mentioned (HL pre-reboot and HL2 prototype) would more closely match with the content 343 is releasing as stuff that can't really be recycled for future titles in the series.
Halo also has the advantage of having Forge where it makes a lot of sense just to drop disconnected bits and pieces in to let players mess with it. Even then they have to invest work into getting these old assets feature complete and working on their newest MCC engine versions. Your examples for Valve don't really have these issues since they are standalone games though there could still be issues with running them on modern systems that could need to be addressed (and nobody ever really wants to do that work).
All that said I agree would be really cool for Valve to emulate 343 more. Bit ironic considering all the flak 343 has been taking over how they have handled Infinite.
You are right on that recycling stuff, but not so much on that nobody would want to do this work.
They could easily hire people from the community or even just put some voluntarily under a NDA.
The community is strong and there are skilled people, that would never miss out on such an opportunity.
These are independent games, that is right. They could do a collection, just like Zachtronics have done with ZACH-LIKE.
Not gonna happen, though.. Valve is special. They do not want you to know, what they could have released.
It's ironical that it would hurt their reputation, just because some of this stuff would be too good.
@@5Hydroxytryptophan Except that the work has to be paid, remaking such things doesn't help in any way shape or form and it's detrimental to them for the same recycling concepts argument. They have no real incentive to do so, just as much as they had no incentive to finish those projects for one reason or another.
Not to mention that they legally have every right to bring down any fanmade project about leaked code or models and yet they don't, other communities would be ecstatic to hear that their favourite company keeps leaked stuff public without any consequences, or even better let's them use that leaked material for fangames.
Gearbox's version of CS:CZ. That one I would like to see some day. Rumor goes that all material is in Valve's hands, gathering dust in some cabinet.
Isn’t that condition zero: deleted scenes?
Deleted Scenes is Ritual's version.
Gearbox's version is wild (but Apache's version is even wilder) and could totally change CS as a whole if Valve ever releases that back then.
I'd love to see Gearbox's condition zero. The game was near completion when ritual took over and did deleted scenes
Valve when watching this video: "Hey you know what would be easier than releasing all of this? *Deletes everything*
Valve could, but Valve won't.
I think the reason why Valve isn't interested in releasing cut contents is to keep them as a reference for future projects, even though there is big chance that those projects wouldn't ship at all.
You know like some F-Stop stuff that was repurposed for Aperture Desk Job.
I think Valve internally has this "obsessed scientists" mentality where they want people to see them as innovators who make breakthroughs. Because over the years, they kinda are, with products like Half-Life, Steam, Portal, L4D, VR, etc.
They don't want their stuff to be leaked because then everyone will take their "experiment" and make money off that by implement it to their game.
Imagine one day the playable build of brotherhood of arm was released, it would've have been cool to play it..
Pre-reboot Quiver is not going to happen. They restart anew with a clean slate developing Half-Life. I don't think they have a proper source versioning control that kept that development branch. I don't think they have much source versioning control seeing how stuff leaks everywhere.
TF2:BOA? yeah. L4D3? sure.
Not mentioned here: Stars of Blood. And whatever Campo Santo was working on when they got hired by Valve. Valve snuffed that game from coming out.
It somehow feels random what did got released from within the studio and what didn't. Like Deathmatch Classic and Ricochet came out, but TF2:BoA didn't. Alien Swarm did, but Stars of Blood didn't.
There are also second party titles developed together with/by partnered studios.
Gearbox's version of Condition Zero looked more polished than the retail one that we got. ESCalation recently released a video on that. A mother lode of CS cut content, that video was!
Arcane had Episode 4 installed and fully playable on a PC in their office. Also that other title that inspired Dishonored.
valve is such a bizarre company imo, they have some of the most recognizable and popular games in existence and yet they decide to ignore the massive communities these games have created. they could easily be the biggest game company ever if they just talked with their community of fans.
The thing with 343, is that they prefer to do these kind of publicity stunts instead of replacing upper management. The same upper management causing Infinite to die so painfully.
Remember the Episode 3 prototypes?
343i only understands that they can't make anything that the fans like. Like, there's a reason 343i are only doing this now with MCC, and it's for the same reason they did this same thing when they ditched Halo 5 in favor of going back and finally fixing MCC. 343i needs to rely on when Halo WAS good for any good moments, because they're incapable of making anything new to please the fans.
It's still a cool thing for us to get, but just felt like I needed to mention this just so people remember/realize that there is a reason for this and isn't exactly just something out of the goodness of 343i's hearts.
When you do some artwork in school and all the derpy trolls now worship you and want to see your scribble pad.
TF2 changed completely multiple times during development so yeah
Well at least Valve isn't like Randy Pitchford and Gearbox where they say they will release DNF betas and never do.
"5 Unreleased Games Valve Could Release TODAY if they RANDOMLY DECIDED TO? Wouldn't that be crazy??" Tyler your clickbaiting is absolutely f'ing mental
insomniac did something similar with the insomniac museum, i remember visiting it in Ratchet and Clank 2 and they were showing off there cut enemies and features (even interactible) idk if they did it too for the last ratchet game
Tyler talking about Halo on my birthday?
What a coincidence.
Considering how many projects they started and never finished compiling it all might be more work than making a new game on valve time. Would be nice to see though.
The reason why they hate people looking into cut or beta content is because they have a small team of developers as compared to other AAA title companies . They like to secure this data just in case that they may need to reuse those assets in some other project .
I feel like the complaints I’ve seen about this video’s title being clickbait could be alleviated by just adding “(If They Wanted To)” at the end. Then again, I really dunno much about the YT algorithm tbh. Great work as always Tyler, btw!
What I hate is the fact that we can keep on going with what Valve can release from cut content but they most likely won't listen
Ignore cut content. EA and Gameloft straight up just pull the games of my childhood from the stores.
Valley of the Gods?
also the old timers that actually build those games are probably retired now. And without having Geoff Keighley level access - it might be lost forever.
I’m really starting to hate the clickbait
Everytime that I see the L4D3 evidences I just cry and think about me playing in marruecos
I wonder if Valve didn't approve missing information because they knew that they could use those locations (the borealis) in future half life games. Does that really mean they hate the communities surrounding cut content?
The game for this video being set as left 4 dead is just perfect.
Don't forget about Bink/Rad Video Tools along with Havok physics. Those are proprietary, and Valve can't legally release the full source of the majority of their games because of it.
So they just can't be bothered cleaning their stuff from 3rd party software
I don't know if i would scream in a valve employees face or shake their hand first
you would be screaming at someone who had no control over what gets developed or released
I wish Nintendo would do this. They have some of the coolest dev history and cut content and it would be amazing to see the original visions of some of the most well known games ever made. They hate it just as much as valve though so I doubt this would ever happen
Big 00f.
I really wish Valve would just do as White wolf let the Fans developer their own version of the Beta maps like all they have to say is if your willing to put in the work and not use any of our stuff you can make Half-Life levels. What I mean was if they took a look at the leak levels and made their own base off of them but didn't use anything from them.
I kinda Get deciding that stolen content shouldn't be like supported.... its sends sort of a "Hey next person who literally swipes server data will be responsible for the next fan beta remake" type message.... I don't Agree with that but... I get it.
Growing up, I was super hyped for Team Fortress 2: Brotherhood of Arms. I was so disappointed they never released it. It would be amazing if they just release what they had for people to see.
valve is way too philosophical and smart to direct words like hate at their fan base
IIRC, the leaker in 2003 only leaked at best 1/2 (or was it a third?) of what he got. He was going to leak the rest but got caught.
Thanks for the Halo Digsite shoutout :)
Jesus man, I didn't know TF2:BoA won awards for being so good, now I'd like to see it even more...
Yknow i never really thought about how similar valve and aperture are
They endlessly work on projects and tests rarely releasing new products despite the stuff they have made and scrapped being incredible compared to everything else that exists outside
>makes entire L4D3 in basically beta state
>can't be bothered to finish it
>never releases
Valve just don't want to sink to current game industry level, publishing decades old temporary builds requires zero effort, nothing badass here.
Imagine if valve released their unfinished build of Episode 3 or whatever they did do with it when they did try working on it.
5:59 to be fair . i think redoing hl1 . was the right decision to make . that been said . GIVE IT TO ME .
Just hearing about how far they got with L4D3 but never released it makes me sad
I hate being a valve fan so much sometimes
It would be really cool if Valve released a game at all.
Ultimately I don't think Valve has any obligation to release this stuff, and even if they did it'd probably be gutted and scrubbed of anything interesting.
There are many different things to criticize Valve for, but I don't blame them for this at all. Nobody likes to share incomplete/broken work, especially if this work has been stolen or shared in an unauthorized capacity. So I completely understand them for being uncooperative with these people, especially when much of the leaked content may contain stuff that they might reconsider using in the future, including possible spoilers. Valve already shares more about the development process than most with their developer commentary tracks (not to mention when they work with Keighley in the Final Hours series), so I'm happy enough with that. Could they share more? Sure, but I don't resent them one bit.
Some circa 2008 Half-Life 2: Episode Three screenshots / concept art would be amazing, for me at least 😁
Hey Tyler, hope those classes you mentioned are really helping you.
You talk about communities coming together to share cut content in a gameplay fluid way, and I have to make sure you saw it... Did you see TASBOT's run of The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina of Time beta exhibition, that was really a collection of content that is on the N64 cartridge but was cut, that is being reaccessed by TABOT editing the RAM on the fly, that was stitched together to tell an alternate story, doing wildly incredible things you would never expect on real N64 hardware? It's wild, and a perfect example of the community coming together in crazy ways to make amazing things.
Leaked HL2 Source engine feels so weird. Looks like something in between GoldSrc and Source
Big emphasis on "could".
"manwich scene"? you really just gloseed over that?
I Might need it perfection, and this is a holy grail of a Passionate Cut Content.
3:46 flashbacks of hunt down the freeman
TF2 is being fixed and is now really playable. This was also pipe dream. With the right persistent fan team they could get hands on the scrums off the table and do a dlc or something like that.
why do companies don’t wanna show the earlier builds of their games and cut content?
You looking good Tyler, keep going!
really love this video, super in depth!
youre a very passionate gamer I take it
I feel ya. Valve has a treasure trove of stuff they could show off but just don't sadly. Aside from valve, I'm also hoping sega one day shows us more of the sega saturn builds of shenmue and virtua fighter 3.
Strange, I’ve seen some mods on Steam use HL2 Beta assets. Why were those accepted while Missing Information wasn’t???
343 is authorizing the community to develop levels based on cut content that Bungee.. Well, cut. It's cool in a way but you're also forgetting that 343 in general has been trying its hardest to get in the good graces of the community after it has consistently fumbled Halo and driven away goodwill.
I wonder if it's an issue with Havoc or something else. Because it's a bit hard to see why Valve wouldn't just say "f-ck it, put these out." Of course, their assets their decisions but I feel it's also part of gaming history considering what most of these titles ended up doing for the industry as a whole.
On Valve's end, I know the community cannot be trusted (as much as it pains me to say it), so why not gather the interns at Valve and pack the stuff up? Would certainly be better than just leave it to rot. And while at it, just pack a moddable version of TF2 for the Source tools, even if it's the original 2007 release. But maybe I'm just doing a backseat developer act, what do I know.
Valve is so self conscious that they hate everything they make.
The disrespect of the dusk poster tho
I personally would love to see what Stars of Blood and Prospero were all about
be nice to see hl3, l4d3, portel 3, or any content update to tf2, something like gunmettle back in 2014, not like the update form 2017.
They're as selfish as Nintendo when it comes to cut content
I wonder when will be the year of Valve. Like great talk about them. Game releases, hardware releases, idk merch? I just hope some day valve will just pull something no one expected. Something good I mean.
Bro be thankful Valve is your fav dev. 343 is legitimately the worst dev of all time.
Video starts at 2:38.... geez
IMAGINE IF L4D3 WAS RELEASED IN 2016/2017 NO ONE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT B4B
something is upon the horizon
Literally 343's only good move in the recent 2 decades. Still doesn't make it any less cool.
Its sad that we will probably never see l4d3
4:00 What music is this?
cut/unreleased content is definitely interesting but online communities act very entitled over it. it's stuff that was never intended to be seen by the public. even if you have interest, please respect the wishes of the creators *not* to release this stuff and to keep it private. i would be just as excited to see some of this stuff get put out or shown off by valve, but it's not something they owe the community at all. i for one would not feel comfortable putting that stuff out into the world, letting people see the inner workings and half-finished sides of your content and creative process.
I think tf2boa and prospero should be shown, they're the story of valve and games in general.
Imagine if valve went to e3 or something and announced the the lost box - a collection of games/vertical slices that never saw the light of day. And imagine they included the hl3 and l4d3 prototypes, and said something like “the never before released and much anticipated Half-life 3 and Left 4 dead 3!” Along with other stuff like stars of blood and 2009 f-stop.
Hopefully one day or if new management takes over.
343 Industries and Microsoft deserve praise for preserving production material in their archives and presenting it a retail game. Tyler you should’ve mentioned that us getting proto data also helps preserve it, publishers don’t always do the best job if they do it at all.
Tyler, I know you may have been asked before. But can you make your own personal valve iceberg
343 understands the magic of halo ended with halo 4
Hello Tyler, Please clean the room. I am begging. Thank you for reading.
I don't care about the mostvof valve's cut content. But one thing and to see and play is the Geabox build of Condition Zero.