Lol well it's only on pre-order, shipping starts december 3d. And why would you buy via amazon ? I don't get it.. I pre-ordered mine from logitech website.
they need to make a whole video about this so this scamming from logitech stops. it's not only their switches in mice, it's their cheap keycaps on premium keyboards which have to break or their dying blue leds in all there keyboards. it's all on purpose and no one address those issues!!! WTF
@RTX3090 owner yes check their reddit, it's always the same problems. like too much play between left/right steering or with the pedals you press slightly and nothing happens.
@RTX3090 owner Fanatecs aren't by any means kids toys, they're easily the highest end manufacturer in the relatively "mainstream" arena, but I will say that me and my friends have not yet had a single piece of Fanatec gear work flawlessly, they've always had larger or smaller issues with them. Some are annoyances (like have to keep jiggling a USB plug to make sure it's absolutely perfectly in) while others have been showstoppers (like shifters just failing, giving random outputs). This includes CSW v1.5 and 2.5 wheelbases, CSR-E wheelbases, universal hub rim adapters, CSP and CSL Elite pedals, shifters, and I'm probably forgetting something. Usually seems to have something to do with EMI or grounding issues, always electric rather than mechanical FWIW. I personally still have a Logitech G25 that has been with me for about 13 years, BUT it is my 3rd one, had to RMA the first 2 in fairly short order (paddle shifters got contact issues in the 1st one and the H-gate shifter has issues in the 2nd one), the 3rd one has been super reliable though. Oh, and one of my friends' G27 had that issue where the optical encoding disc cracks and gets loose on the steering shaft, meaning the center point wanders all over the place, though that was quickly sorted with glue. They also sell aftermarket brass ones for that, it's a fairly common issue... (I'm also on my 3rd wireless G502 mouse, first two developed double clicking issues...) My main atm. is an ooold old T500 RS, and so far at least, anecdotally, I (and my friends) have had better off the shelf success with TM than with any of the other options. Knock on wood, across 3 sets of wheels and pedals, several different rims and half a dozen shifters no-one has had an issue yet. For me dealing with Logitech's customer service hasn't been an issue, since I live in a country where the store has to take care of that stuff, I just return a faulty product and that's that. Fanatec's customer support hasn't been kind to my friends (long wait times, lack of responses, not fixing or replacing stuff with documented issues on video), though other people praise them, so I guess it varies a lot. And TM... Well I haven't had to deal with TM's customer service yet, stuff has just worked so far. But TM is the smallest sample size we have yet, and even then it'd be handled like with Logitech, i.e. via the store. Nothing is ever foolproof, all manufacturers carry a risk with them, it's just about whether you get lucky or not and what kind of service you get afterwards. Logitech sells an insane amount of gear, and the vast majority of units work just fine, but there are enough duds that you get a lot of angry people on the internet. But the likely 90+% of people never having issues don't really make a noise either, so you just get to hear one side of the story.
It looks super cool, but it's so ridiculously expensive. I much prefer one with Qi Wireless charging like the HyperX Pulsefire Dart, idk why don't other companies do that, it's a good in between convenience and not having to buy a mouse pad more expensive than the actual mouse
It was the Omron 50m having double-click issues, not nearly as prevalent on the Omron 20m, which the Superlight is reported to have a variant of installed in them. It is also due to undervolting, not overvolting.
To answer the powerplay question: I use it and LOVE it. I have the mousepad act as the receiver for my desktop, then have the USB receiver that came with the mouse in my laptop so I can pick up the mouse and take it with me, and have it just work without worrying about forgetting the receiver and never worrying about battery life. Made a big difference when I was going to and from university.
finally someone who knows whats up. every logitech mice has to double click sooner or later. check this video for more informations ua-cam.com/video/v5BhECVlKJA/v-deo.html why doesn't LTT address this issue??? so maybe something will change in the future.
@@John-wc6lk you should replace the switches, there is plenty of guides on UA-cam, could seem scary at first if you have never done it, but at the end is really simple.
@@stankbuddha not a scam, it will eventually happen to every mouse you own. It's the biggest problem with mechanical switches, they are destined to wear and double click. It's why there's a pretty decent sized growth towards optical switches. Razer, Coolermaster, Roccat are all developing optical switches for this reason.
David's semblance switches so much between being all cool and relaxed when he is at CC, to actually become an anxious chihuahua whenever he does some unboxing in here. So weird, yet entertaining.
5:34 as a long time G pro user, the grips are a necessity and they do not get gross for a very long time but you may want to clean it carefully, the weight change is great and the amount of hyperglide that they put on the bottom is amazing
but you would use the included cable with wings anyway so it won't snap the connector so you would still need to carry an extra cable that doesn't plug into anything else...
@@sunimod1895 Except when that Micro B port wears out (and it will) your mouse is now useless. I'd pay 10 bucks more for a mouse with USB C which is from what I can tell more than the cost of adding it.
Dude it has a disgustingly safe shape with a really slimy coating ( I don’t even sweat while gaming either). I think the viper ultimate is better in those departments but to be fair it’s clicks are kinda lame ( I think this is corrected on the viper mini which I hope gets wireless soon ) but preference is first when picking a mouse
@@gadielornelas7971 I bet u bought the viper ultimate and just want to slander every other mouse, like I have a viper ult but I don’t pretend every other one is shit
@@mahieu7864 deciding factor of mice is shape over everything else. If you claw/fingertip, you will likely like viper ultimate more. While if you palm/claw you will likely like g pro wireless/superlight shape more.
Logitech G series mice are my favorite, the sensor and ergo’s perfect for my use case. BUT it’s the durability of their buttons that’s the problem. I have tons of fairly new discarded double-clicking ones, not sure if its by design coz they don’t last as good as the rest of the product.
you dont have to throw away the mouse just give it to a tv technician or someone that works on PCB to change the switches or do it yourself it's really easy
@@silvermold I don’t care while gaming, but when I have to recharge, it’s much nicer to be able to use the same cable I have on my desk for recharging my phone/tablet
@@7DegreesOfFreedom it makes literally no difference. you charge the mouse twice a month for like an hour each time. for all i care it could even be a proprietary connector.
Yes but it's so ridiculously expensive. I prefer a mouse with Qi Wireless, which is a fraction of the cost but still a big improvement over cable charging
@@LuisVasquez-nu4hu not only does it cost more, it also limits your mousepad choice by a lot. And if you think the g-sr-se is fast, or any logitech mousepads are, boy are you mistaken..
Only if you are wanting to spend 130 dollars for a mousepad, plus these mice easily last for weeks after a full charge. I’d rather see USB-C with fast charging over powerplay.
@@harshpatil9825 Because I don't see why I'd need a charging mousepad when a mouse lasts over a month on battery. Either will it only save my mouse from having to charge but not my headset and keyboard.
@@Niels_f2704 The duration of the battery is actually ridiculous. Red light comes on so early I have literally time to schedule my charging to low intensity hours days later. I'm on 77% right now and I already forgot when I charged it last time. I don't think this convenience is worth $130.
thank you for mentioning the double click problem. i was considering this for my next mouse, but my g703 is double clicking since the first week of use, and no way i'm gonna deal with this again, ever(if anyone cares, i set up a autohotkey that blocks the second click, if you're having issues)
@@BLNKT. they did not, they changed it back to the 20m click switches from 5 years ago. they were used in the first g502 mice and they already double clicked. they work better but they will still double click. they need to use low voltage switches, that is the only fix. you can see here why it's happening. ua-cam.com/video/v5BhECVlKJA/v-deo.html i really can't believe that LTT doesn't address something like this but rather still get sponsored by them. it's going on since 2013/2014 now and no one gives a shit. i had to RMA 30 g502 because of this. only soldering low voltage switches into the mouse fixed my issues. overpriced trash, nothing else. sadly
@@HorstLichtersBart i RMA 2 g903 and they made me record video of them failing from a specific website they sent me prior to sending em in ... so from my phone i had so record my mouse and screen in shot one handed FUCK logitech
@@stankbuddha i had to do this so often, that is normal sadly, even tho they know the problem is common. be happy, some people need to destroy their mice on video before they send a new one. it's fucked up. HELP US LTT and make a video about it.
I have a regular viper and it's basically the perfect mouse except for the switches. I can't stand the feel of the optical switches, it's the same problem with optical keyboards. Takes away almost all of the tactility for a microscopic and imperceptive increase in response time. I really tried to like it, I even paracorded it and swapped out the feet but the clicks just kept getting worse and worse until they became lower quality than my old $3 staples mouse. If they made a version of the Viper with traditional switches I'd buy it in a heartbeat. It's the perfect shape.
Yup, Micro-USB is an instant fail. Aside from only having access to a mouse which just broke, I see no point in buying the product. I'm loathe to buy anything new, which I can get away without buying, that uses older USB. It's nuts. The only worse thing is that we don't seem to be any closer to moving to the next QI standard for wireless charging - I don't care about speed, I care about putting my device anywhere on the pad and being able to charge through a desk. :D
My Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum RGB is a couple weeks away from being 4 years old. Yes it's wired and yes I've wrecked the USB plug on it twice but it's still good. In case you didn't know you can get tool free male USB A to crimp on if you ever break a USB A plug.
@@daveedee3626 I don't mean they fail. I mean the device having an out of date USB that's always been a pain in the neck to plug in, and is in no way as user friendly as USB Type C, is an epic fail in engineering. I've had it up to here with old USB and proprietary charging for no particular reason. I don't care if my devices are a millimetre thicker, or a little heavier. As for wired mice & keyboards, I ditched those antiquated things years ago and I won't be going back.
@@jonevansauthor I was mainly agreeing with your comment about being loathe to buy anything new. I am the same and am still using a mouse from 4 years ago. Works fine and I've only had to repair damage because I've been clumsy. The buttons and wheel feel just as good as when I bought it.
@@daveedee3626 Ahh sorry if I seemed rude. It's obviously UA-cam's fault :D Somehow. Mice are so personal and I find each new one feels wrong like a new pair of shoes. Fortunately they last a long time. But I'm over 40 so my gaming mostly consists of getting shot repeatedly in the face by fast twitch kids. My only real hope of dominating them would be crossplay against console fans I think but I'm sure they'll get aim assist anyway. And you know, be much better at the games than me. What I really want is a good, comfortable mouse, with a good battery life or the ability to swap a charged battery in. And a mouse matt that charges it wirelessly (and ideally my phone and earbuds etc too). One day! :D
Went to a Viper Ultimate after 3 double click RMAs for my G703. Until Logitech addresses their reliability issues I'm not touching another of their mice.
I am the same as you i like a heavier mouse i have both the G502 and the G502 lightspeed(wireless) i kindof wish that they kept the lightspeed the same build quality and weight but they decided to make it lighter but it is fine i use it for my laptop the the wired one for my desktop. I also like having all the buttons i use them all the time
I was like you before, feeling that heavier mouse gives you more control. I switched to a lighter mouse (G403, 88g) then a lightweight mouse (Aerox 3, 66g) and boy, was I wrong back then. Like if I wanted to use my old G502 again, that would be painful
ShortCircuit: A light mouse gets even lighter. That's good for performance ... Me: Putted in all extra masses (22,5 g) into my old and already heavy Sentinal Advance II for years.
I have PowerPlay, and I'm with Linus, it's wonderful. No wires, no manual charging, and it just works, I never have to think about it, unless I'm thinking "Wow, I sure do like this PowerPlay."
I use PowerPlay at home (Windows) and at work (with MacBook Pro), love it. The new Logitech GHUB is also available on Mac now, so it has better support.
I really liked my Logitech mouse, but I got through about 3 in the space of 6 months because the switches kept failing so I've had to switch to Razer now
But.. they replace the mice for free? I know the downtime isn’t great, but you can also repair it for yourself, and many people like the changed clicks (Kailh GM 4.0 fans are out there) a lot more than the stock ones, it’s not like you were FORCED to switch, y’know.
@@YTHandlesWereAMistake it's a fair point, but I especially working from home I need a reliable mouse not just for gaming. Admittedly they did replace it, but I shouldn't have to go through the effort of getting it repeatedly replaced or fixing it myself when it should just work out of the box. The Razer was overpriced imo but it's been reliable.
@@charlessewell Razer mice start to double click within a year, I've gone through 4 nagas and my current death adder has just started within 6 months.
I’ve heard if you just blow into it that’ll fix it. I don’t have the mouse but saw multiple ppl say this fixed their issue. Static electricity can build up and cause this issue
Love that you let people work on projects they're passionate about, it makes the content much better and its nice to get different perspectives from more of the LTT team
@fuck google I had two G502s, the first one came broken and the second one broke within 4 months. Tbh, i think It's not Razers issue, i just think manufacturers are just trying to cut corners anywhere possible and that just creates a "mouse loterry".
@@matisek7923 You have to specify which G502 model. Seems like the older ones last longer because my Proteus Core is still doing great after 6 years of use.
the plastic on the Aerox 3 is not "lower quality" by the way, Steelserie wanted a rougher texture to give a very good grip without having to include grip skins like Logitech did (HyperX does this too with the PulseFire Haste) Also, the Aerox 3 is 99 USD, not 129 USD The GPW is dropping from 149 to 129, trhe GPSP is getting at 149. The Razer Viper Ultimate is still at 129 without the dock, 149 with the dock, though there is sales for the dock version at 99 USD currently
Logitech: overall quality gaming mouses/keyboard Also Logitech: Whats a USB-C Port? Lets ignore that even on stuff that cost like +200$ far from Perfect
@ i was also thinking about a keyboard i saw from logitech PC gaming "controlls" is more outdated than nintendo hardware(known to be outdated hardware often with not having USB-C port ) that is sad not just logitech has this problem but most company that make gaming mouse/keyboards
I have a G Pro and a Powerplay mouse pad. It's the greatest thing in the world! It just works perfectly and it has never failed me once in one whole year now. Plus there's literally no way you can compare other wireless mice charging systems like razer's and corsair's ones to powerplay. It's literally just the top. Everyone should try it once to understand. Or actually, to just forget it is there, doing its job and keeping your mouse charged for years while you hardcore game. One thing I suggest tho, if you play with veeery low DPI settings like me, is buying 2 XXL mouse pads (those 900x400 pads) and cut down from one the shape of the powerplay pad, fit it into the XXL pad and using A4 sheets to risen it and cancel the height gap that would make a bump on your pad's area and make your hand not move evenly. All of this because sadly Logitech does not produce a XXL pad with a powerplay fitting... Logi? Pls
To everyone who uses this mouse and is experiencing stutter/freezing in csgo/valorant, its not your pc.you dont have to re install windows or install a new psu or run multiple diagnostics checks,its not your gpu over heating or your cpu incorrectly installed,its this fucking mouse .make sure the receiver is near the mouse and upto date in software.if this is done there is no better mouse.
Have you tried the wireless G502? I'm thinking of getting one, I also like heft to my devices. I already have the G Pro wireless because I found it really cheap on preorder with a price error.
@@leonro I have not, but if you do not take it everywhere you go, you do not notice the wire, since it is braided. I will say though, with the weights in it, the 502 WILL wear out the glide pads pretty quick. I need to get some for mine.
@@leonro I went from G502 Proteus Core to G502 Lightspeed. The freedom of movement is very much noticeable if you use very low sensitivity and move your mouse a lot. I only put 4 weights in the center as the extra two for the rear make it unbalanced. Polling rate is set to 500Hz instead of 1000Hz to get 50% more battery life so that one charge lasts for about 1-2 weeks for my use.
@@leonro I have the wireless G502, it feels great, the lack of wire is a bless, there's a lot more movement and the use for it is highly adaptable. I'll still to get a powerplay pad, but the battery lasts 2 to 3 weeks in moderate use. For those who haven't tried bigger, heavier mice, it might be worth it if you notice some discomfort or pain in your hands.
@@Celician83 My Proteus Core still doesn't need new glide pads after 6 years of heavy use with all weights installed. Maybe you're putting a lot of pressure on your mouse or your mousepad is more abrasive than mine (Steelseries QcK, QcK+).
it seems the issue with the omron switches found in the newer gaming mice from Logitech are being extremely "undervolted" which is causing the double click/ click-drag issues. The omron switchss used in the Logitech gaming mice are spec'd at 5 volts 0.7mA to 1mA. this worked for a while since the brains of the mouse were working with 5V. But now days the newer mice are using like. 3.3v at 0.08mA...? from what ive seen, you can purchase the proper switches, still made from Omron, for pretty cheap. its just sad peeps are spending $150 for a mouse that immediately needs repair to last any longer than a few months. i think i heard you say they were "overvolting" the switches. That peaked my interest. so ive been checking it out for the last hour or so :)- Please correct me if im wrong! this stuff is cool. i like learning about this kind of stuff.
"you can feel the difference bwetween the glide pads the original feels rougher" gosh i dont have any on my DeathAdder 2013 and im cool with that still xD
Exactly, and that's actually where they got the USB port right, lol. Everyone's complaining about the lack of USB C, but I haven't had a USB C port last me over a year yet.
USB C is the only port I haven't broke with standard use. I'm a little salty that my g915 tkl uses micro usb but at least it doesn't get moved around while charging, the mouse however is unacceptable.
Still in the year 2020 youtubers makes a stupid face with their mouth open in the thumbnail. anyone remembers when youtubers always put a small red circle in the thumbnails ? think that was in 2012-2013
My laptop doesn't support any micro USB whatsoever. Is there anything I can do like which adapter should I get to allow the Pro X super light usb to work with me ?
@@sharifhaque99 the wireless dongle is USB A. So if your laptop only has USB C, you’ll need an adapter. The mouse has a micro-USB port and included a USB A to micro-USB cable.
Partially it's because part of the draw of the first set of "G Pro" products were the removeable cables, so that eSports stadiums, training rooms and gaming houses could just leave the cables in place and players would just plug in their KB/Mouse when the got to a computer. Now they have to continue that backwards compatibility. I'd also like to point out the plastic stabilizer pins on either side already prevent the micro-B from being put in the wrong way.
The G pro series are great in every way except for the mouse clicks, I've had my 903 replaced 4 times for double click and hold down response issues. Gonna mod it by replacing them with better switches to do Logitech's job for them.
Just an fyi, at least in gpw batches 2028 and later they have changed the switches that come pre-installed from 50M -C variant to a 20M which, supposedly, doesn’t fail as fast, and I believe this new one gets the same treatment, others are probably to follow soon, if not already.
i just bought a G903. Even though I didn't have any double-click issue, the scroll wheel is a bit wobbly to the side. Do you have the same issue? Coming from a G502 I find this really annoying.
If you happen to have Problems with the scroll wheel of the G Pro, there is a new firmware you can download to fix it! It doesn't update it in the Software, you have to download it yourself. Its on the Drivers Page from Logitech, Version 15.2.26 it fixed it for me! How is the battery life to the GPro Superlight? Did they cut it down for weight savings?
5:00 400 ips (inches per second) = 0.01016 km/s of maximum read speed; 9:00 sensor is rated for 250 km; So take the mouse and push it forward at a speed of 400 ips (10.16 m/s or 36.58 km/h) and it'll take you 250/0.01016 = 24606.3 seconds (that's 6.8 hours) straight.
I had the double click issue with my G502 lightspeed 6 months into having it. My previous G900 also had it after a couple of years. They should really get that fixed.
Logitech Powerplay is amazing. It's really nice having a wireless mouse that you literally never have to plug in. The only downside really is that you can't use any mousepad you want.
I guess you could put the charging part under a different mousepad, but it wouldn't look right or be flat. Unless it's the same size as the included pads. But the included pads have a special backing that helps them stay in place, so any pad you replace it with will move too much.
"I won't blame missing shots on mice"
Those are some manly commitments right there
Looking at u LINUS
real gamer blame it on the lag
Shots fired. (Pun fully intended.)
@@maruftim real gamers call hacks
ShortCircuit: look, cool mouse
Amazon: Temporarily out of stock.
Everyone: Look, cool graphics card.
The whole world: Out of stock forever
Lol well it's only on pre-order, shipping starts december 3d. And why would you buy via amazon ? I don't get it.. I pre-ordered mine from logitech website.
@@zdx197 Yeah screw amazon
Everyone: Look, any new gaming related PC hardware or consoles.
Every retailer, online or store: Not a chance bud. Sold out.
Meanwhile my G502 is a much improvement in battery life and resolution to my G700 I bought years ago... that doesn't last a day wireless.
1:16 my grandma when pouring boiling hot water into her cofee
jesus christ...
lmao
My god...
dear heavens...
Oh lord...
8:32 Mentions Logitech's double clicking issue.
they need to make a whole video about this so this scamming from logitech stops. it's not only their switches in mice, it's their cheap keycaps on premium keyboards which have to break or their dying blue leds in all there keyboards. it's all on purpose and no one address those issues!!! WTF
@RTX3090 owner yes check their reddit, it's always the same problems. like too much play between left/right steering or with the pedals you press slightly and nothing happens.
I've never had an issue with my g pro wireless. Even when intentionally trying to cause it
@RTX3090 owner they just want to justify their overpriced purchases or don't notice it because they are 12 years old or just don't give a shit
@RTX3090 owner Fanatecs aren't by any means kids toys, they're easily the highest end manufacturer in the relatively "mainstream" arena, but I will say that me and my friends have not yet had a single piece of Fanatec gear work flawlessly, they've always had larger or smaller issues with them. Some are annoyances (like have to keep jiggling a USB plug to make sure it's absolutely perfectly in) while others have been showstoppers (like shifters just failing, giving random outputs). This includes CSW v1.5 and 2.5 wheelbases, CSR-E wheelbases, universal hub rim adapters, CSP and CSL Elite pedals, shifters, and I'm probably forgetting something. Usually seems to have something to do with EMI or grounding issues, always electric rather than mechanical FWIW.
I personally still have a Logitech G25 that has been with me for about 13 years, BUT it is my 3rd one, had to RMA the first 2 in fairly short order (paddle shifters got contact issues in the 1st one and the H-gate shifter has issues in the 2nd one), the 3rd one has been super reliable though. Oh, and one of my friends' G27 had that issue where the optical encoding disc cracks and gets loose on the steering shaft, meaning the center point wanders all over the place, though that was quickly sorted with glue. They also sell aftermarket brass ones for that, it's a fairly common issue... (I'm also on my 3rd wireless G502 mouse, first two developed double clicking issues...)
My main atm. is an ooold old T500 RS, and so far at least, anecdotally, I (and my friends) have had better off the shelf success with TM than with any of the other options. Knock on wood, across 3 sets of wheels and pedals, several different rims and half a dozen shifters no-one has had an issue yet.
For me dealing with Logitech's customer service hasn't been an issue, since I live in a country where the store has to take care of that stuff, I just return a faulty product and that's that. Fanatec's customer support hasn't been kind to my friends (long wait times, lack of responses, not fixing or replacing stuff with documented issues on video), though other people praise them, so I guess it varies a lot. And TM... Well I haven't had to deal with TM's customer service yet, stuff has just worked so far. But TM is the smallest sample size we have yet, and even then it'd be handled like with Logitech, i.e. via the store.
Nothing is ever foolproof, all manufacturers carry a risk with them, it's just about whether you get lucky or not and what kind of service you get afterwards. Logitech sells an insane amount of gear, and the vast majority of units work just fine, but there are enough duds that you get a lot of angry people on the internet. But the likely 90+% of people never having issues don't really make a noise either, so you just get to hear one side of the story.
"You and the 12 other people using powerplay" As one of the dozens, I feel attacked.
I agreed with Linus. It's great! expensive but great
Hello fellow powerplay user, I must say its was a bit pricy but worth it to never care about charging again!
I too am part of the dozens of us in the power play clan.
I will fight and die next to my 502 powerplay
It looks super cool, but it's so ridiculously expensive. I much prefer one with Qi Wireless charging like the HyperX Pulsefire Dart, idk why don't other companies do that, it's a good in between convenience and not having to buy a mouse pad more expensive than the actual mouse
Riley's and Colton's Love child grew up so fast
I just hope his Minimalist and Alcoholism don't intertwine to become something new
I think they combine into communism
Definitely Communism
Lol
I'm just here for when this comment appears in a "reads mean comments" video.
@@burleymullins8776 that'll be hilarious .
Oh yeah Omron's "Double switch" is definitely a thing
“Alright let’s do the viper”
Literal seconds later:
“No let’s not”
1:19. Honey at this point you can grab and pull, you're just making your life difficult...
haha ikr😅🤣
thats what she said
@@aaryanvarshney7909 😅😆🤣 hahaha
11:50 "mealy and grenade" Love this guy
Melee. Did he say that unclearly?
@@Maxoverpower I think you could argue itsˈmāˌlā.
But i also usually say mealy or mealee.
(as a non-native speaker)
"this is the hardest part of every unboxing"
You mean the unboxing? XD
It was the Omron 50m having double-click issues, not nearly as prevalent on the Omron 20m, which the Superlight is reported to have a variant of installed in them. It is also due to undervolting, not overvolting.
To answer the powerplay question: I use it and LOVE it. I have the mousepad act as the receiver for my desktop, then have the USB receiver that came with the mouse in my laptop so I can pick up the mouse and take it with me, and have it just work without worrying about forgetting the receiver and never worrying about battery life. Made a big difference when I was going to and from university.
8:48 they are not overvolting, they are undervolting to save battery, this will make the switches double-click in the future.
peepoWTF
finally someone who knows whats up. every logitech mice has to double click sooner or later. check this video for more informations ua-cam.com/video/v5BhECVlKJA/v-deo.html why doesn't LTT address this issue??? so maybe something will change in the future.
@@John-wc6lk you should replace the switches, there is plenty of guides on UA-cam, could seem scary at first if you have never done it, but at the end is really simple.
whatever its doing its mad annoying and is basically a scam
@@stankbuddha not a scam, it will eventually happen to every mouse you own. It's the biggest problem with mechanical switches, they are destined to wear and double click. It's why there's a pretty decent sized growth towards optical switches. Razer, Coolermaster, Roccat are all developing optical switches for this reason.
David's energy makes me happy haha
David's semblance switches so much between being all cool and relaxed when he is at CC, to actually become an anxious chihuahua whenever he does some unboxing in here. So weird, yet entertaining.
5:34 as a long time G pro user, the grips are a necessity and they do not get gross for a very long time but you may want to clean it carefully, the weight change is great and the amount of hyperglide that they put on the bottom is amazing
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HandsOnFire
What are you saying is nosense
@@jumpman120 no no, what you are saying is nonsense
@@jumpman120 I agree, I got the G pro and no issues with grip even with sweaty hands
Micro usb is unforgivable at the end of 2020. Smh
True !!!!!
It's wireless though so it's not a big deal? Usb c is expensive and it doesn't really make sense on the mouse side of the cable
but you would use the included cable with wings anyway so it won't snap the connector so you would still need to carry an extra cable that doesn't plug into anything else...
@@sunimod1895 Except when that Micro B port wears out (and it will) your mouse is now useless. I'd pay 10 bucks more for a mouse with USB C which is from what I can tell more than the cost of adding it.
@@sunimod1895 it's a difference of cents
12:49
so whos gonna tell him the g pro doesnt even have rgb anymore....
Who’s gonna tell him the g pro sucks
@@gadielornelas7971 bs no
Dude it has a disgustingly safe shape with a really slimy coating ( I don’t even sweat while gaming either). I think the viper ultimate is better in those departments but to be fair it’s clicks are kinda lame ( I think this is corrected on the viper mini which I hope gets wireless soon ) but preference is first when picking a mouse
@@gadielornelas7971 I bet u bought the viper ultimate and just want to slander every other mouse, like I have a viper ult but I don’t pretend every other one is shit
@@mahieu7864 deciding factor of mice is shape over everything else. If you claw/fingertip, you will likely like viper ultimate more. While if you palm/claw you will likely like g pro wireless/superlight shape more.
Logitech G series mice are my favorite, the sensor and ergo’s perfect for my use case. BUT it’s the durability of their buttons that’s the problem. I have tons of fairly new discarded double-clicking ones, not sure if its by design coz they don’t last as good as the rest of the product.
you dont have to throw away the mouse just give it to a tv technician or someone that works on PCB to change the switches or do it yourself it's really easy
"ok reliability" and "it just works" mean two different things
I can hear todd howard saying it just works and i hate it
Does it, i mean apple is it just works and just ok reliability
"ok reliability" is code for "the switches will break in a couple of months". And they will.
@@skerbgs It's a Logitech mouse, not Razer or some other track. Logitech doesn't break.
@@derbigpr500 found the Logitech fanboy
can we make sure to put product name in the title? it's really hard to look back on something
That would actually be really nice
They had that discussion a while ago, they will probably change the title after some time. Just give it a day or so.
they use clicbait titles for the first day, to gen clicks and get picked up by algorithm. Then they swap it to product name after a day.
I love how the fact that if consoles stop doing something its a sign it's really really in the past
1:15
"Pretty nice little box"
Then proceed using vibration to open it.
Me: i like this kind of review
"Logitech made the perfect gaming mouse BETTER!" uses micro usb. funny definition of perfect
Real Gamers don’t pay attention to useless information like longevity or practicality
@@NigelMelanisticSmith I can’t tell if you’re joking
@@silvermold dude. One connector. $100+ mouse. They can put a type-C. I see why some lower-class products don’t, but like...
@@silvermold I don’t care while gaming, but when I have to recharge, it’s much nicer to be able to use the same cable I have on my desk for recharging my phone/tablet
@@7DegreesOfFreedom it makes literally no difference. you charge the mouse twice a month for like an hour each time. for all i care it could even be a proprietary connector.
Fr, powerplay is actually amazing, and I love the fact I don't ever need to plug my mouse in for charge.
Yes but it's so ridiculously expensive. I prefer a mouse with Qi Wireless, which is a fraction of the cost but still a big improvement over cable charging
@@LuisVasquez-nu4hu not only does it cost more, it also limits your mousepad choice by a lot. And if you think the g-sr-se is fast, or any logitech mousepads are, boy are you mistaken..
@@LuisVasquez-nu4hu can’t deny that for a $100 charging pad. But still, gold for me.
That box shuffle at 1:20 was physically painful, you hold it and let it slide out satisfyingly :(
Thumbnail looks like David's about to eat the mouse
How is this man look bald and have a ton of hair at the same time
It's clear hair. Like my man 'Dre.
Soy magic
I'm using PowerPlay, and as Linus said, it's awesome! No wires that keep getting stuck, but also no running out of battery!
Only if you are wanting to spend 130 dollars for a mousepad, plus these mice easily last for weeks after a full charge. I’d rather see USB-C with fast charging over powerplay.
@@harshpatil9825 Because I don't see why I'd need a charging mousepad when a mouse lasts over a month on battery. Either will it only save my mouse from having to charge but not my headset and keyboard.
@@Niels_f2704 The duration of the battery is actually ridiculous. Red light comes on so early I have literally time to schedule my charging to low intensity hours days later. I'm on 77% right now and I already forgot when I charged it last time. I don't think this convenience is worth $130.
they fixed the double-tap issue with an algorithm. don't know how but it just works perfectly
A year late. But I use power play!! With a 502 light speed and 915 TKL Lightspeed baby!! Love!
Ah yes me watching a video about a 150 dollar mouse with my laptop that runs csgo on 10 fps
and yet your nick is Sniper Shotzz :D
Only 7 months and it already goes for $100, not bad I guess
Yes, a blonde kid destroyed it but he missed a single cell, and the mouse rebuilt itself even stronger.
I use G Pro Wireless last 1.5 years, never would i ever even think of using bulky uncomfortable powerplay mats
It’s crazy how Linus finds people that know a lot about tech and are amazing at reviewing stuff.
thank you for mentioning the double click problem. i was considering this for my next mouse, but my g703 is double clicking since the first week of use, and no way i'm gonna deal with this again, ever(if anyone cares, i set up a autohotkey that blocks the second click, if you're having issues)
"the perfect mice" * has double clicking issues since it came out and Logitech doesnt even care *
@@BLNKT. they did not, they changed it back to the 20m click switches from 5 years ago. they were used in the first g502 mice and they already double clicked. they work better but they will still double click. they need to use low voltage switches, that is the only fix. you can see here why it's happening. ua-cam.com/video/v5BhECVlKJA/v-deo.html i really can't believe that LTT doesn't address something like this but rather still get sponsored by them. it's going on since 2013/2014 now and no one gives a shit. i had to RMA 30 g502 because of this. only soldering low voltage switches into the mouse fixed my issues. overpriced trash, nothing else. sadly
@@HorstLichtersBart i RMA 2 g903 and they made me record video of them failing from a specific website they sent me prior to sending em in ... so from my phone i had so record my mouse and screen in shot one handed FUCK logitech
@@stankbuddha i had to do this so often, that is normal sadly, even tho they know the problem is common. be happy, some people need to destroy their mice on video before they send a new one. it's fucked up. HELP US LTT and make a video about it.
They talk about it @ 8:41
I have got 2 logitech g pro wireless, none of them have hade any issues with double clicking.
“20 grams isn’t that much”
*switches to the steal series mouse*
“It feels heavier” 🤨
1:20 LEGITAMETLY made me pause the video, take 5 deep breaths and go and open MY BOX the way its supposed to be opened.
A great video from LMG once again. You guys managed to stretch such minor changes into a full length video like no other channel could.
It helps when you fit in the sponser segways
Dave2D?
@@henryshuffelton4120 segue
it's like Colton reached his final form. And gained a +3 buff to obnoxious.
I love the badass music behind David reviewing a mouse lmao.
He didn’t even blame the pro x for his death! That’s how you know it’s a good mouse
I have the Xtrfy M1, its so heavy, I use both my hands to move it. I wrote this message with my face.
I'm sure it's incredible but I can't take anyone seriously who immediately disregards the Viper Ultimate.
Preach that truth. It hurt my soul to see him toss it aside.
@Alive they are both 150$ and no usb type C so.....
I have a regular viper and it's basically the perfect mouse except for the switches. I can't stand the feel of the optical switches, it's the same problem with optical keyboards. Takes away almost all of the tactility for a microscopic and imperceptive increase in response time.
I really tried to like it, I even paracorded it and swapped out the feet but the clicks just kept getting worse and worse until they became lower quality than my old $3 staples mouse. If they made a version of the Viper with traditional switches I'd buy it in a heartbeat. It's the perfect shape.
Companies: gives people 25k dpi
Costumer: only uses 800 dpi
Yup, Micro-USB is an instant fail. Aside from only having access to a mouse which just broke, I see no point in buying the product. I'm loathe to buy anything new, which I can get away without buying, that uses older USB. It's nuts.
The only worse thing is that we don't seem to be any closer to moving to the next QI standard for wireless charging - I don't care about speed, I care about putting my device anywhere on the pad and being able to charge through a desk. :D
My Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum RGB is a couple weeks away from being 4 years old. Yes it's wired and yes I've wrecked the USB plug on it twice but it's still good. In case you didn't know you can get tool free male USB A to crimp on if you ever break a USB A plug.
@@daveedee3626 I don't mean they fail. I mean the device having an out of date USB that's always been a pain in the neck to plug in, and is in no way as user friendly as USB Type C, is an epic fail in engineering.
I've had it up to here with old USB and proprietary charging for no particular reason. I don't care if my devices are a millimetre thicker, or a little heavier.
As for wired mice & keyboards, I ditched those antiquated things years ago and I won't be going back.
@@jonevansauthor I was mainly agreeing with your comment about being loathe to buy anything new. I am the same and am still using a mouse from 4 years ago. Works fine and I've only had to repair damage because I've been clumsy. The buttons and wheel feel just as good as when I bought it.
@@daveedee3626 Ahh sorry if I seemed rude. It's obviously UA-cam's fault :D Somehow.
Mice are so personal and I find each new one feels wrong like a new pair of shoes. Fortunately they last a long time.
But I'm over 40 so my gaming mostly consists of getting shot repeatedly in the face by fast twitch kids. My only real hope of dominating them would be crossplay against console fans I think but I'm sure they'll get aim assist anyway. And you know, be much better at the games than me.
What I really want is a good, comfortable mouse, with a good battery life or the ability to swap a charged battery in. And a mouse matt that charges it wirelessly (and ideally my phone and earbuds etc too).
One day! :D
Went to a Viper Ultimate after 3 double click RMAs for my G703. Until Logitech addresses their reliability issues I'm not touching another of their mice.
Am I the only one who likes a heavy mouse? I currently have the Logitech G502 with all of the additional weights installed (139g).
Nah, my mamba wireless has some heft to it. Makes me feel like i have more control over the mouse.
I am the same as you i like a heavier mouse i have both the G502 and the G502 lightspeed(wireless) i kindof wish that they kept the lightspeed the same build quality and weight but they decided to make it lighter but it is fine i use it for my laptop the the wired one for my desktop. I also like having all the buttons i use them all the time
I was like you before, feeling that heavier mouse gives you more control. I switched to a lighter mouse (G403, 88g) then a lightweight mouse (Aerox 3, 66g) and boy, was I wrong back then.
Like if I wanted to use my old G502 again, that would be painful
Powerplay is a must have. I use g703 and have a desk pad over it and have never had issues. I can't go back.
ShortCircuit: A light mouse gets even lighter. That's good for performance
...
Me: Putted in all extra masses (22,5 g) into my old and already heavy Sentinal Advance II for years.
Does it still double-click though?
Me with my $10 dollar Amazon gaming mouse: *Hmm, interesting*
Hyper x pulse fire core is probably the best mouse for around that price . 100% reccomend
I personally swear by my Corsair Scimitar Elite if you plan to upgrade
I have PowerPlay, and I'm with Linus, it's wonderful. No wires, no manual charging, and it just works, I never have to think about it, unless I'm thinking "Wow, I sure do like this PowerPlay."
I use PowerPlay at home (Windows) and at work (with MacBook Pro), love it.
The new Logitech GHUB is also available on Mac now, so it has better support.
I really liked my Logitech mouse, but I got through about 3 in the space of 6 months because the switches kept failing so I've had to switch to Razer now
But.. they replace the mice for free? I know the downtime isn’t great, but you can also repair it for yourself, and many people like the changed clicks (Kailh GM 4.0 fans are out there) a lot more than the stock ones, it’s not like you were FORCED to switch, y’know.
@@YTHandlesWereAMistake it's a fair point, but I especially working from home I need a reliable mouse not just for gaming. Admittedly they did replace it, but I shouldn't have to go through the effort of getting it repeatedly replaced or fixing it myself when it should just work out of the box. The Razer was overpriced imo but it's been reliable.
@@charlessewell Razer mice start to double click within a year, I've gone through 4 nagas and my current death adder has just started within 6 months.
@@fortayseven I've been using the Basilisk Ultimate and fingers crossed no issues so far, hoping I don't run into that
I’ve heard if you just blow into it that’ll fix it. I don’t have the mouse but saw multiple ppl say this fixed their issue. Static electricity can build up and cause this issue
Love that you let people work on projects they're passionate about, it makes the content much better and its nice to get different perspectives from more of the LTT team
Jacks new beard looks is kind of cool
I use it! I haven’t pluged my g903 in since I bought it over a year ago. It’s still extremely solid!
This thumbnail went way too far with the open mouth : O
It's like his wife's boyfriend bought it for him
Too much soy...
S O Y
Logitech mice always double click. The new razers have optical switches so they're worth it just for that imo
I've used Logitech mice for around seven years with no issues
Every razer I tried died within a year ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@fuck google I had two G502s, the first one came broken and the second one broke within 4 months.
Tbh, i think It's not Razers issue, i just think manufacturers are just trying to cut corners anywhere possible and that just creates a "mouse loterry".
@@matisek7923 You have to specify which G502 model. Seems like the older ones last longer because my Proteus Core is still doing great after 6 years of use.
@@AlexGelinas42069 I had a razer mouse for 10 years. Never had an issue. The 5 Logitech mice I tried died in 3 months.
@@cl4ster17 G502 Hero, the newest one.
It really looks loke they are cutting too much corners nowadays.
4:22 little did he know that what he inserted into the mouse was the Powerplay magnet, for continuous charging 😅
the plastic on the Aerox 3 is not "lower quality" by the way, Steelserie wanted a rougher texture to give a very good grip without having to include grip skins like Logitech did (HyperX does this too with the PulseFire Haste)
Also, the Aerox 3 is 99 USD, not 129 USD
The GPW is dropping from 149 to 129, trhe GPSP is getting at 149.
The Razer Viper Ultimate is still at 129 without the dock, 149 with the dock, though there is sales for the dock version at 99 USD currently
I just picked up the ultimate with dock yesterday. So happy I saw that it went on sale
Logitech: overall quality gaming mouses/keyboard
Also Logitech: Whats a USB-C Port? Lets ignore that even on stuff that cost like +200$
far from Perfect
Its actually 150$ but still unacceptable
@ i was also thinking about a keyboard i saw from logitech
PC gaming "controlls" is more outdated than nintendo hardware(known to be outdated hardware often with not having USB-C port )
that is sad
not just logitech has this problem but most company that make gaming mouse/keyboards
I love powerplay. Never going back :D
I have a G Pro and a Powerplay mouse pad. It's the greatest thing in the world! It just works perfectly and it has never failed me once in one whole year now. Plus there's literally no way you can compare other wireless mice charging systems like razer's and corsair's ones to powerplay. It's literally just the top.
Everyone should try it once to understand. Or actually, to just forget it is there, doing its job and keeping your mouse charged for years while you hardcore game.
One thing I suggest tho, if you play with veeery low DPI settings like me, is buying 2 XXL mouse pads (those 900x400 pads) and cut down from one the shape of the powerplay pad, fit it into the XXL pad and using A4 sheets to risen it and cancel the height gap that would make a bump on your pad's area and make your hand not move evenly.
All of this because sadly Logitech does not produce a XXL pad with a powerplay fitting... Logi? Pls
To everyone who uses this mouse and is experiencing stutter/freezing in csgo/valorant, its not your pc.you dont have to re install windows or install a new psu or run multiple diagnostics checks,its not your gpu over heating or your cpu incorrectly installed,its this fucking mouse .make sure the receiver is near the mouse and upto date in software.if this is done there is no better mouse.
I swear by my G502 Proteus spectrum wired mouse. Love it, but I also love heft to my mice
Have you tried the wireless G502? I'm thinking of getting one, I also like heft to my devices. I already have the G Pro wireless because I found it really cheap on preorder with a price error.
@@leonro I have not, but if you do not take it everywhere you go, you do not notice the wire, since it is braided. I will say though, with the weights in it, the 502 WILL wear out the glide pads pretty quick. I need to get some for mine.
@@leonro I went from G502 Proteus Core to G502 Lightspeed. The freedom of movement is very much noticeable if you use very low sensitivity and move your mouse a lot. I only put 4 weights in the center as the extra two for the rear make it unbalanced. Polling rate is set to 500Hz instead of 1000Hz to get 50% more battery life so that one charge lasts for about 1-2 weeks for my use.
@@leonro I have the wireless G502, it feels great, the lack of wire is a bless, there's a lot more movement and the use for it is highly adaptable. I'll still to get a powerplay pad, but the battery lasts 2 to 3 weeks in moderate use.
For those who haven't tried bigger, heavier mice, it might be worth it if you notice some discomfort or pain in your hands.
@@Celician83 My Proteus Core still doesn't need new glide pads after 6 years of heavy use with all weights installed. Maybe you're putting a lot of pressure on your mouse or your mousepad is more abrasive than mine (Steelseries QcK, QcK+).
it seems the issue with the omron switches found in the newer gaming mice from Logitech are being extremely "undervolted" which is causing the double click/ click-drag issues. The omron switchss used in the Logitech gaming mice are spec'd at 5 volts 0.7mA to 1mA. this worked for a while since the brains of the mouse were working with 5V. But now days the newer mice are using like. 3.3v at 0.08mA...? from what ive seen, you can purchase the proper switches, still made from Omron, for pretty cheap. its just sad peeps are spending $150 for a mouse that immediately needs repair to last any longer than a few months. i think i heard you say they were "overvolting" the switches. That peaked my interest. so ive been checking it out for the last hour or so :)- Please correct me if im wrong! this stuff is cool. i like learning about this kind of stuff.
"you can feel the difference bwetween the glide pads the original feels rougher" gosh i dont have any on my DeathAdder 2013 and im cool with that still xD
Oddly enough, my brand new Logitech Ergo has a type-C port. So they know about the type-c so it's apparently just for that 2 g.
The stabilised micro B is for their gaming products.
They don't need to get lighter, they need some actual durability. At that price, it should last a few years and not a few months.
Exactly, and that's actually where they got the USB port right, lol. Everyone's complaining about the lack of USB C, but I haven't had a USB C port last me over a year yet.
@@BLNKT. Just daily use, if even that. I'll plug them in maybe once a day, then unplug them.
USB C is the only port I haven't broke with standard use. I'm a little salty that my g915 tkl uses micro usb but at least it doesn't get moved around while charging, the mouse however is unacceptable.
Still in the year 2020 youtubers makes a stupid face with their mouth open in the thumbnail.
anyone remembers when youtubers always put a small red circle in the thumbnails ? think that was in 2012-2013
POWERPLAY IS GREAT, I just wish they had a bigger mouse pad, or a way to put a mouse pad over it with the same height as the charging area
100% the go to gaming mouse when all you experience is double clicking
WHEN WILL IT BE USB-C?!?!?!?
2025 at $249
My laptop doesn't support any micro USB whatsoever. Is there anything I can do like which adapter should I get to allow the Pro X super light usb to work with me ?
@@sharifhaque99 the wireless dongle is USB A. So if your laptop only has USB C, you’ll need an adapter. The mouse has a micro-USB port and included a USB A to micro-USB cable.
@@reddcubeDell Inspiron 15 7000
Only has 3 USB ports
2 of them are USB 3.0
They lost me at the lack of USB-C
Personally, I'm actually okay with that. I've found USB C to be the USB port to last the shortest time out of all of them.
Partially it's because part of the draw of the first set of "G Pro" products were the removeable cables, so that eSports stadiums, training rooms and gaming houses could just leave the cables in place and players would just plug in their KB/Mouse when the got to a computer. Now they have to continue that backwards compatibility. I'd also like to point out the plastic stabilizer pins on either side already prevent the micro-B from being put in the wrong way.
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 tf See you doing with your usb c cabels man
I don't have any product that uses USB-C. My Nokia N-Gage uses Mini-USB.
not that you aren't using a magnetic cable anyway.
Went from the Normal G Pro to the Razer Wireless one, fits so much better in my Hand. Still use the G Pro for work though.
lol his face on preview looks like "an average GPW superlight enjoyer"
One vote for using Powerplay here, love it. Bought it after watching Linus's review. :)
Do you think its needed or is the battery life fine without it?
@@griff3n69 don't know, I haven't used the mouse without it for any length of time. It's great not having to worry about charging it though.
THANKS for the comment about USB C - gotta skip that mouse just because of that
@1150 "...for mealy and grenade"
lul
Power Play is AMAZING. There's no going back after you use it.
"RGB out the wazzu"
Poggers
:joy:
PogU
2020, still Mikro USB
Give me my type ccccccccc!
Honestly what matters more is weight distribution rather than weight itself.
OK, I get it now.
It's mouse for David, it's chair for Colton.
Although I loved the original G Pro... I’m moving on to the Model O wireless! 🙌🏽
Wait for the O- / D / D- WL if you’re into those more ;)
The G pro series are great in every way except for the mouse clicks, I've had my 903 replaced 4 times for double click and hold down response issues. Gonna mod it by replacing them with better switches to do Logitech's job for them.
Just an fyi, at least in gpw batches 2028 and later they have changed the switches that come pre-installed from 50M -C variant to a 20M which, supposedly, doesn’t fail as fast, and I believe this new one gets the same treatment, others are probably to follow soon, if not already.
Did they replace it for u after your warranty ended? cuz i have this issue right now but my warranty has ended.
I grind minecraft 1.7 pvp im on leaderboards so i like doubleclicking
i just bought a G903. Even though I didn't have any double-click issue, the scroll wheel is a bit wobbly to the side. Do you have the same issue? Coming from a G502 I find this really annoying.
@@GaAnRu I believe it's because of the side scroll buttons and that the scroll wheel of the G903 is much lighter than the G502.
If you happen to have Problems with the scroll wheel of the G Pro, there is a new firmware you can download to fix it! It doesn't update it in the Software, you have to download it yourself. Its on the Drivers Page from Logitech, Version 15.2.26 it fixed it for me!
How is the battery life to the GPro Superlight? Did they cut it down for weight savings?
David : Nervous / 10
Review: 8.5/10
Background Music: 11/10
I see you there Taran.
5:00 400 ips (inches per second) = 0.01016 km/s of maximum read speed;
9:00 sensor is rated for 250 km;
So take the mouse and push it forward at a speed of 400 ips (10.16 m/s or 36.58 km/h) and it'll take you 250/0.01016 = 24606.3 seconds (that's 6.8 hours) straight.
I had the double click issue with my G502 lightspeed 6 months into having it. My previous G900 also had it after a couple of years.
They should really get that fixed.
Power Play is awesome, I use it w/ my G403 Wireless that has been moved to my desk at work.
Logitech Powerplay is amazing. It's really nice having a wireless mouse that you literally never have to plug in. The only downside really is that you can't use any mousepad you want.
Why not
I guess you could put the charging part under a different mousepad, but it wouldn't look right or be flat. Unless it's the same size as the included pads. But the included pads have a special backing that helps them stay in place, so any pad you replace it with will move too much.
That's a bad thumbnail. Even by clickbait standards. You look like you're gonna eat the mouse, not like you're surprised or amazed.
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LMAO THOUGHT THE SAME THING💀
My hands are to small for this “perfect mouse”
lol ... there is no perfect mouse then? Wanna argue about semantics all day I guess?
@@Humstuck lé
Meow
damn bro how big are your hands
@@TangerineTypes 16x9 cm
@@ryangraham4457 do you palm grip? I''m confused because your hands seem pretty small lol
Good for people who like light mice, I love a hefty product though. They usually hold up better from my experience.
One day David is gonna break the product inside with the extremely intense shaking trying to open the box 😂