Timber VS Steel Frame
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2021
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TIMBER VS STEEL
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You missed Cost, rust, thermal bridging, sound transferring and in terms of remodeling.
Don't get me wrong. I more like light gauge metal frame than wood when it comes to American platform framing.
Why didn't you mention costs, including the price of the materials, labor costs, and time to complete the construction?
How would a steel frame house compare to a brick house in terms of price? Also out of the two what would be better?
I'm no expert on steel v wood but yeah it does seem more like a sell/simple overview, than a true comparison.. Pro missed for steel is potentially quicker construction.. and big initial/ongoing savings in termite proofing systems (mentions termites but people might not know these costs) I wonder if there's a difference in insurance costs. I wonder if steel needs thicker walls to inhibit thermal bridging. I assume sarking would stop condensation forming on the steel.
btw I'm south of CMA (logan), let me know if you guys work this area.. doing a new build soon (edit: I read the CMA website FAQ and yes it seems you do)
What is about price difference
Can you remove a steel frame wall though, to renovate a house?
yeah is posible as long is not main support
I can say as a DIYer, steel frames are quite annoying. I never quite figured out how to mount things to them. Drilling never seemed to work, the bit would just spin forever. I much prefer to live in a house with timber framing, but I respect the advantages of steel framing for other things
Your skill is limited.
@@TerahAsh lmao and?
I feel he is more like a salesman, not a technician.
What about electrical safety ,can you get electrocuted if there is any faulty wire touching the frame
unlikely, the frame would act as a ground as it is attached to grounded circuit boxes and the concrete foundation
The electrician will install a rubber grommet to the hole that the cable passes through to ensure it doesn't cut the wiring.
As a carpenter for 35yrs I don't recommend timber frames and trusses for any new home or renovation work for that matter it's just rubbish and tradesmen don't enough time to fix it during construction.
One of the biggest defects in new homes today is timber wall frames and trusses and who could forget? dodgy builders lol.
Timber used in construction today is better known as banana pine and for good reason! I much prefer to leave any leftover timber onsite than take it home to burn it in my firepit lol
Pro and cons? All I see is just the pro of steel frames. Are you telling me that steel frames dont have any cons and wooden frames don't have pros?
I too agree
It was pros of steel and cons of timber 😅
Steel is just better... except for renovation.
Maybe you who prefer timber can give some advantages.
he is trying to sell steel frame imo lol, not a comparison
Steel frames used in houses are thin. They creak, and when a tradesman enters your roof cavity, he needs to lay plywood down because the steel ceiling joists are piss weak. Steel framed houses cannot support random loads such as TVs etc without placing TIMBER inside the wall prior to wall lining. Lol.
While steel frames do not involve chopping down PLANTATION trees that absorb carbon and generate oxygen, they take tonnes of energy to produce and so it is worse for the environment.
If my home is burnt by bushfire, I'm certain the thin guage steel used will deflect and bow. Look at cars that are subjected to bushfire. The aluminium engine and gearbox melt into a puddle, and the steel buckles and deforms. Same will apply to a steel framed house.
I'll stick with timber and LVL. Thank you
Hi there ! it might have been the case with older steel frame, or very cheap ones, but a quality steel frame nowadays is far superior.
And you don’t need timber to put a wall hung TV, we’ve hung plenty of 85inch TVs on steel frames. Also thin doesn’t mean weak, this is a misconception.
People talk about “creaking”, yet in most timber frames they have:
metal ceiling battens
metal battens on the roof
metal roof
metal garage door
aluminium windows
steel beams on double storey homes
steel portal frame for bracing
plus metal wall bracing straps
metal roof straps (that based the “weak theory”, would not be strong for bracing either as they are thin…).
So it’s quite funny that a “timber frame” needs so much steel, if steel is so weak and noisy…
@@homesbycma7636 your comparing steel beams with thin guage cold rolled steel sheets used in steel framed houses. That's like comparing an oil tanker ship to a tinny boat... yes they are both boats but in reality they are nothing alike.
Timbers workers might be out of jobs because steel is better.
Timber itself may burn, but the unburnt timber keeps its structural characteristics until burned, so it gives you the time to escape or vacate.
Steel fails instantly at the relevant temperature, caused by whatever else caught fire.
Very unbalanced comparison.
Steel is a non-combustible, fire resistant material and will not feed a fire.
@@homesbycma7636 That may be so, but while you chose to omit some other relevant facts, for the sake of marketing your product, I choose to set the record straight and let people be informed.
My comment stays put, as it is a fact.
Another fact is that I am not opposed to building with light steel frames. However, this video is not of any help for anyone looking for a comparison, but merely eyeblinding marketing for the one material.
@@jacobuslegrange4820 Hi there ! Everybody is entitled to their own opinion and we completely respect that, so we certainly won't be deleting any comments :) This is no "marketing" but we simply believe in Steel Frames, we have done hundreds of timber frames and simply had far too many issues with them, from bowed frames, to camber, to knots etc, for what we do and the consistency and quality we want to have in houses, it's simply not practical.
It's a moot point. Light weight steel frames soften under heat and will buckle in an intense fire = house gets bulldozer.
Timber frames burn in an intense fire but house likely stays up = house gets bulldozer.
However, you will have vacated your home long before those issues arrive, and if the fire in your home is that severe it's getting a bulldozer through it once the fire truck has left.
Steel will collapse during a fire. Is louder than a timber frame. Is more expensive than a timber frame. Is harder to use than timber. Is worse on the environment. These are pretty big factors when considering you had nothing positive to say about timber.
If you plant a tree instead of the one you cut, you will be doing the plant a huge favour as trees absorb the most CO2 during the first 15 years of it's life. Therefore, we need to building from timber, cut older trees and plant new one so that we can effectively capture your carbon footprint. Timber will be recycled by mother nature as an organic material. Steel required a lot of energy to extract and manufacture until it becomes useable for construction.
And does not consider the amount of carbon required to produce steel frames. Timber is carbon neutral and renewable and in some cases. Steel although recyclable requires carbon to reproduce- massive fail
Getting off topic but monoculture tree farms aren't that great for the environment.. and cutting old 'natural' trees is destroys entire ecosystems.. Anyway, steel or timber, it won't matter if we don't halt our population growth.
There’s no pros and cons on both sides. No pros of timber no cons of steel. Needs to be more balanced objective comparison. Termites can eat steel. Steel can corrode. The smelting of steel causes pollution of the air. Steel can’t be modified either on the fly or during a renovation. A plumber can’t install a steel noging in a bathroom renovation. Steel can still warp and twist in heat. Still needs timber sheets for bracing. No steel home braces off with steel sheets. Screwing off a prefab steel wall requires no skills.