Follow up video: ua-cam.com/video/ZVSW-xb7DXc/v-deo.htmlsi=h2Cc0C9_FN7zUNy3 The stuttering you will sometimes see in the video is from the gameplay recorded, not how it was rendered or your internet being weird. Running 2 instances of OBS and also trying to run the game well is not particularly easy lol. Also if you have your own thoughts that I didn't mention or something like that, I'll probably do a gaming and talking on the 2nd channel discussing some of those later.
@@CarrotIsBad I assume you're running two instances of OBS because one is recording and one is streaming? if that's true there's a plugin called source record you should check out, if you haven't already.
If only they were to drop say, a plate of armor if you hit only their visor and avoid their other breakable bits, or from not killing then with the red fox which everyone who has a brain cell can and is doing
It's like Payday 2, but it's also Crime Boss, but it's *also* any CoD game released in the last four years, but it's also Halo Infinite's launch day progression system, and god do I wish it wasn't those last three things.
I used to joke about how there was no way PD3 could possibly release in 2023 like they said. I assumed delays were inevitable. I frequently asserted that we wouldn't actually see the game until 2025. I was shocked when it became apparent that it actually was releasing on schedule. Now that it's released, I realize I was right the first time. This isn't a game, this is sloppy early access. And the actual game that's coming seems worse every minute.
What's sad about this is that there *have* been delays... for the first patch. Because that's totally going to improve the current PR situation surrounding the game.
@@therecruitking1623 I was thinking the same but if you go back and see how they talked about finding a publisher it seems deep sliver (or that cuck media idk anymore) gave them pretty much everything they asked for and seem like it was on starbreezes terms I really think the higher ups just wanted the sheets to look better for the year of the year and they truly dont care about this franchise cause they prove that more every day they want money for thier next hit of crack (project baxter) which im still shocked they got cause like its been proven since 2013 OVK/SBZ dont know how to make 4 person coop games lol they just wear the face of ulf and his team saying its there passion
i think a game being below positive is a sign that any reasonable person would understand means theres something wrong with the game, the devs are also pretty aware of the issues the community has since theyre more involved compared to other dev teams
Seriously. Fuck modern gaming's UI design. I mean for fuck's sakes, small-budget games on the 6th console generation had better fucking HUDs than PD3! Seriously, it's like modern day devs just slap a bunch of rectangles, straight white lines and plain text on everything and call it a day. Because fuck art direction, right?
Nothing strange about that. If you look at the amount of content payday 2 has its going to be hard to compete at launch. It wouldnt have as much content as a game with a decade of DLC and added content! lol
@@NordicVigilanteI don't think that such plays a true factor in the end, even at launch Payday 2 had a good deal already laid out, while it wasn't the best or as good as it now stands, it was still better than Payday 3 if we look at launch alone
Finding about the Steam250 was hilarious where PD3 was launched. But ye all these sudden changes like denuvo and all the MTX/preorders... it was super clear I aint wasting my time on this. Sorry for your loss Carrot.
The reason people wanna hear your opinion is because it's very valuable, when I started tackling DSOD you and Carrot were the 2 primary people I learned from and I'm sure there's a lot of people like me. I was waiting for a video from one of you because I'm specifically interested in your takes.
I used to play Notoriety back in like 2019, i wanted to see how it was doing because they had some original heists that were fun to run on stealth just to find out it was DMCA'd by Starbreeze despite being completely fine with it 6 years ago? Wild stuff
One minor correction, you can actually retrieve throwing knives from enemies without skills, as long as you actually hit and kill the enemies with it instead of hitting walls
additionally, you can't pick them up if your weapons' ammo pools are full for some reason many times i would lose track of where my knives were because they wouldn't get picked up, even if it's a more minor issue
Not being able to tell the crew AI to stay put is such a small thing that completely changes solo play You can’t tell them to stay at the entrance and hold off the cops well you did the objective They just follow you everywhere
Would have been a good game 10 years ago. They took out some amazing Payday 2 quality of life things. Cant preplan maps with team, no storehouse, no adjusting NPC gear, less heists than Payday 2 release, no real melee, no communicating with your team... in a team based game. Progress is stupid for Infamy. Even on overkill you get no exp for doing a mission silent. I don't want to be forced to play in a way that I simply don't want to. I want to play the game I want to play. In what world is it acceptable for the developers to tell you how to enjoy a game?!
I get the criticism but I don’t see the problem with there only being 8 heists since most of it is actually really good. Melee was pretty useless in Payday 2 so I don’t see why you’d care to have it in Payday 3 also you can still communicate with your team in game what are you talking about????? Unless you repeated the same problem of there being no text chat during pre planning
@@wayvoedorado71I agree with the 8 heists thing cuz they are bigger compared to Payday 2, but melee, while not necessary, could've still stayed As for communication, we don't have voice chat, and we also don't even have pre-game chat. Without pre-game chat, I've been having a hard time finding the right lobby and I discover whether they're doing stealth or loud AFTER picking my loadout
@@Thebigsxe I think you have a mistake there because you can still type in ingame chat in Payday 3. I think you don’t realize that you need to click enter two times to be able to do so. If you’re on console then I don’t know what to tell you.
@@Dr.Oofers there was a heist called face breakout which was a copy of Hoxton Breakout, But the person who we broke out, fave would have allegations about grooming but that was years after the heist came out and it was removed before
@@Dr.Oofers what possesses people like you to come into a conversation between other people where everyone else knows what's going on, and drop an audacious "what" like it's their fault you don't understand what's being discussed 😂😂😂
@nathanfrank9469, not really as much as you would think. I saw a lot of people defending the lack of content with " buh buh but payday 2 had the same or even less on launch" as if that some how makes this game more content rich and not dry af. It's little wonder why payday 2 has like 30k more players than 3.
@@Nerevarine420 That’s strange cuz the only posts I saw were posts saying how PD2’s lack of content on launch doesn’t justify PD3’s lack of content. Also PD2 hasn’t even had 30k players for a long time, the most I’ve seen is 20k. Edit: Nvm it just hit 30k players today.
The biggest issue I have with the XP system is that it's pretty much bound to "play this heist 15 times" or "max out this gun". Once we get DLCs, all challenges will become "buy this stuff and use it once or your max XP is capped"
Haven't watched the video but tbh the writing was on the wall with Starbreeze being close to bankruptcy, having lost most of their talent over the years, Denuvo, Always Online, and more. The most and not really surprising thing was seeing how many blind people exist in this day. One guy even told me the pre-release build was 6 months old and it'd all be fixed by launch lol. I replied to the guy asking when they were going to push the new build out after launch and he ignored me.
Payday 3 should have been delayed until 2024 at the VERY least, and the funny part is that this super hyped up game, the reason that people kept starbreeze going from 2019 to 2023, has been review bombed to death (for good reason) because starbreeze are incompetent. I would rather keep playing Payday 2 and never touch this game, at least as long as they INSIST on not adding an offline mode.
"Only RNG difference I noticed was where the helicopter spawns in diamond store." What if I told you that was actually a heist specific favour? That's right, it's even worse than you thought.
God, fuck the favors being like that. I can discount some of the other big problems as being publisher interference or engine inexperience, but why on earth would you throw out the mapped preplanning system that already worked for a version that's *worse* than what we had in 2's older heists where you could just buy favors from the pre-heist menu?! Why can't you actually buy heist-exclusive favors or favors in general? Why can't you unready? *WHY THE HELL DO WE NOT HAVE FUNCTIONING PREGAME COMMS?!* I also don't mind the RNG only being rerolled if you quit to menu and start a new instance of the heist from a stealth perspective, but combined with the REQUIREMENT to queue up for heists instead of just being able to launch an offline job or host your own lobby it becomes incredibly annoying.
I'm a fan of Payday so what I'm about to say is no way hating. I spent $90 on Payday to support the company and again, I'm a fan. The first two were fun. I didn't receive anything at all from My preorder purchase, frustrating. The no voice chat during missions where you need to work together, frustrating. To have to reboot the game after getting booted out of a mission just to be at the end, frustrating. Being in a lobby ready up with 3 players just to have the fourth player come in the lobby and restart the mission timer, almost rage worthy. This experience has taught Me a valuable lesson. I'll never purchase a pre-order and I will wait months before I purchase a "new"(beta) title again. Thanks Starbreeze for ruining My gaming experience and thanks Deep Silver for publishing the worst gaming experiences in the history of gaming. 🇵🇷✊🏾🇦🇬
Honestly, i knew it was over once i saw the logo reveal. Right then and there i had a hunch, it looked corporate and soulless, like a template you would show to your boss. Once i played the game, i wasn't expecting anything, but i was still disappointed. From the UI and cutscenes that look like mobile ads from early 2010s to characters models looking straight out of Payday 2. Hell, i even discovered they used like early 2000s sprites to populate the windows of the buildings looking down on the street. This entire game feels like a corporate prototype that you'd pitch to investors as an idea. They had the money, the had the time, they were supposed to learn from Payday 2 and yet none of it was put into proper use.
Cant just blame cooperate greed when you have players that are willing to purchase half assed garbage. At some point gamers need to acknowledge their own part to this tomfoolery.
I also always take the heaviest armor, but what the game doesn't tell you is that your armor regen delay is the slowest with the highest armor and the lighter ones regen faster. The infamy 77 AR is the only automatic weapon worth using in the game because it has the highest armor pen letting it oneshot to the head. Before that one every other automatic is garbage.
About the ending of the video, yes, payday 2 is indeed in a better state now, playable, if you will, but I still can't and never will forgive starbreeze for u237. Safes&drills update. All the broken promises. Leaving certain communities dead in the water out of pure laziness, (consoles, linux, you name it), and so much more I can't currently recall. I love PAYDAY 2 so much, but they lost all the respect I had for them. Sorry for rambling lmao
“Laziness.” “Consoles, linux.” You realize the engine they made payday 2 on, right? Notorious for being garbage and unstable? Why do you think console updates came after numerous dlcs? Cause it’s a chore to work with a terrible engine. Linux was mostly close to PD3’s launch, and they likely needed everyone they could get (even if it was wasted effort).
1:50 You can literally get the ingame mask without paying for the collectors edition btw. All you have to do is send a purchase request to the starbreeze servers with the item id changed to the id of the mask.
The answer to the loadout question is both stupid but kind of funny. In programming 0 is the starting number not 1 so when they programmed you to have 7 loadout slots they didnt specify to the program to start counting at 1 instead of 0
Almost an hour of carrot talking, you spoil us. I do agree with what you said, wich is a little sad. I was hoping payday 3 would be good, that starbreeze, overkill or whoever had learnt at least something from payday 2. But sadly thats not the case. Well, to some degree this was to be expected, though maybe not this bad.
PD3 really shows the line of thinking in the industry today. Think about all the ways to monetize before making a game that is free of bugs and fun to play for many people. But PD2 already annoyed me with monetization. The heists didn't get cooler, bigger and more complicated. Instead we got to play as Ethan Klein and got to buy one OP weapon after another.
I had a funny experience in the beta where a dallas bot marked a grenadier behind a chains bot and it sounded like dallas called chains the n word and is also why I dont call them "naders"
As a longtime fan of PD2, I couldnt explain to my casual friends my problems from PD3. You really "condensed" my thoughts in this video, and im very grateful, lol.
I completely agree with basically everything you say in this video. In addition to the cops bland dialogue, the civilians also have like 4 voice lines that are burned into my memory from hearing them so many times. "I'm sueing!" "First I missed my train, now I'm getting robbed" "you just stepped on my 1000 dollar shoes" "Go back to where you came from"
from the perspective of software engineer - I can answer multiple questions with simple answer that you already provided.... its not finished- that's why some fonts are different than other, why layouts, GUI issues (displaced items) things like loadout starting from 0 than 1... all of those "tiny" issues are meant to be polished, having that in minds its easy to confirm one thing. This game released at least 8 sprints earlier... it also looks like backend developer did frontend work xD
Hey look, it's my Armor Penetration post at 18:59 Yeah, I found someone posted a bunch of datamined stats for weapons that are stated nowhere in the game like damage falloff, headshot multiplier falloff (huh???), and most importantly armor penetration, which as an concept is only briefly mentioned in only one skill, Cutting Shot. However, that singular skill completely dictates how a weapon performs, and every gun lives and dies by that stat. In addition, someone told me a day after I made that post that the random AP reduction I assumed to just be inherit to the AP calculation was actually part of the enemy stats that I did not have access to, and that Shields and Bulldozers had a higher stat, but it's not really worth building for those enemies since the you can't actually build for the bulldozers (and the overkill sniper 2-shots the bulldozer to the body), and it's not a big ask to get multiple headshots on the shield. The Scar, M308, Bison and Castigos are all the most powerful of the base weapons because they have high enough base damage and AP to one-tap regular cops (no req for M308, Edge for Bison and Scar, Edge + Cutting Shot for Castigo) If you want to use an automatic, just use an AK since it can natively 2-tap to the head, or if you're already using Cutting Shot with Castigos, you can use the M4 and have mostly better stats in other non-damage areas. If you want to use a shotgun, use the Mosconi. Enemies have armor-gating, which makes the pump-action never one-shot a heavyswat unless you have Face to Face, which is a niche skill that's not useful on any other actually good gun. Mosconi will always one-shot a heavy swat with no buffs provided all 7 pellets land, but only needs 5 if a pellet is a headshot. The SMG class is extremely gimped by the fact that they're primaries instead of secondaries, and they also have the lowest headshot multipliers in the game. The MP7 would actually be decent if SMGs were secondaries due to its unnaturally high AP and non-damage stats, the MPX is a smaller, shittier Car-4 that I don't understand why people like more while the MP7 is better in every way that matters, and the Zip Commando is by far the worst gun in the game with it being the only primary to have 0 AP at all. Making SMGs secondaries would make their downsides less of an issue since they wouldn't competing with rifles anymore and give people a secondary automatic, though the micro uzi would still be dogshit even by secondary standards. Every other gun in the game ranges from "workable with issues" to "literal dogshit", and most of that is due to AP. The B-9 has lower damage and AP than all of the other ARs, the bolt-action has awful RPM (which gets worse because of unscoping to cycle the bolt decreasing your firerate even more) and falloff issues, every pistol has basically 0 AP which makes them completely inferior to revolvers outside of stealth for silencers, so the only pistol you'd ever use is the Stryk because it has the highest magazine, rpm, and pickup of pistols, and the time to kill is basically the same as the other pistols. The only gadget I bring for loud is Infrasonic Mines, because you can throw them on objectives that you have to defend and activate them when an enemy gets highlighted interacting with the object, or throw them at your feet/on a shield and detonate them as a clunkier flashbang that doesn't take up a grenade slot. I think the only other gadget remotely useful is the sensor, but that has a target limit of 15 before they break. Micro cams are mainly only used in stealth, and the ECM is literally only useful in stealth, and only for like ecm rushes on the jewelry store if at all. Throwing Knives can be picked up if you kill someone with it, though someone already told you that. They're mainly a "fun" grenade option that isn't that bad, but the Smoke and Flash grenades are just better for if you actually want performance, while Frags are just not good. Melees, there's not really much to them, but if you have Tactician, you can activate Edge from just meleeing them. You will also just naturally get edge from shooting at enemies with Tactician, since enemy staggers from damage counts for Tactician. Combined with Enforcer basic to get Grit, and you can get the stagger immunity from Solid for free, which is pretty good. Other than that I think the only reason buffs are labeled as such, is not because of their standard effect of 10% damage or DR, but so they can be easily understood as "activators" for other buffs like the stagger immunity from Solid or the AP increase from Cutting Shot. I think the only reason people give the circles a pass on Gold and Sharke is because it's a big bank, and it's early enough in the heist that you can complete it during the negotiation phase, so you don't have to get shot at while doing it. I'd say Touch the Sky should also qualify for being early enough in the heist, but it's not a bank so people aren't as lenient with it.
This game has no soul. Devs were like ''oh you can shoot cops and do objectives with nicer graphics people gonna go nuts!!'' and missed the whole point.
The cool thing is that PAYDAY 2 at launch used bars to represent weapon stats and they changed that but brought it back the same way in PAYDAY 3. There are so many things that worked well in PAYDAY 2 that they just decided to throw away completely for no reason in PAYDAY 3. It is literally less work to do when you have something that already works. It almost seems like the people responsible for PAYDAY 3 planning and development didn't play PAYDAY 2 or know enough about it.
I don't know if it's just me, but not only does the new Bain replacement (Shade, right?) is not only unfunny and talks like a 13 year old emo kid, but also it just doesn't feel like she really cares about the heisters like Bain did.
One of my favorite mechanics in this game is movement inaccuracy, where when you're moving or running, most guns will have their bullets go not where your your crosshair is, but in random directions. In a fast paced, pve, objective based game where you are constantly forced between cover.
@-cold-1761 Games without movement inaccuracies over the past decades: All halos, all half life's, Team Fortress 2, Titanfall 2, Apex Legends, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2, Overwatch 1 and 2, Payday 2. The similarities between these games is that all of them are very popular and none of them have bloom after shooting a few shots or movement inaccuracy.
@@tides8464 You're actually high if you think anything but tf2 doesn't have bloom after some shots. The only time that really applies is if you ADS in those games, which, when you ADS in payday 3, it also knocks the bloom to nothing. And you're telling me a couple of Hero shooters centered around ability use more than gunplay don't have movement penalties to shooting? Shocker. And neither do the narrative-based shooters like halo and Half-Life 2? Where your goal is moreso getting through to the next set piece? again, shocker. And a fast paced hoard-based game where you run from objective to objective to escape doesn't have movement penalties to aiming? Say it again, what a shocker.
@EpicWinNoob Payday 3 is a fast paced horde shooter where you run from objective to objective, just like left for dead. And if you try to argue that Payday 3 is more like Payday the Hiest, that game was directly inspired by left 4 dead and had no bloom or movement inaccuracy.
Not gonna talk about always online, dedicated server thingy cause it is just dumb and everyone said everything that needs to be said about it. Not gonna say anything about stuff that are outsourced since stuff looks coherant ig. Not gonna talk about the unreal engine template menus either. What I wanna point out is how little gameplay depth there is. In PDTH you worry about your health and ammo and use the armor as much as possible to peek and deal damage back. In payday 2 you pick and choose what you want to manage using perk decks; use anarchist to ditch health management for armor, stoic for the opposite, use muscle to manage both, use rogue to still manage both but give yourself a leg room, plus the variations of these main playstyles with more or less to manage, you were able to just pick and choose your own gameplay depth. In payday 3 you use an armor bag once you lose two armor chunks and take some damage to the third, there is nothing else to manage. Pick an high AP weapon, spend 8 skill points for armor bags and plus few more for cutting shot and long shot and bring armor bags and congrats, you learned and mastered the game under 2 hours. Such a shame really. There are mechanics in PDTH and Payday 2 that would take hours to even recognize, like the auto-aim based on accuracy up to 41 metres. Yes that is an actual mechanic in Payday 2. It's pretty cool too, it lets you hit snipers with a 40 accuracy muzi if you miss enough and in range. There are no hidden QoL mechanics in Payday 3 nor mechanics that are in front and center provide depth to the experience.
I actually really hate the HUD in game... Why in gods name do I need to be told how to throw, pick lock, back out etc all the damn time? Why do I need my buttons to show at the bottom as if I forgot how to throw a nade, bag etc? I know my binds now just let me get rid of all of this shit. The constant text in the top left telling me what to do which gets bigger with more tasks, the middle saying private, public with the black box around it, then changing to the different police states ( I should be able to turn this off, the games music makes it clear what waves are going on ), heck the placement of your team mates is annoying... there are so many better ways of doing this shit. I hate games with tons of HUD elements that are either useless or straight up placed poorly. Can devs please, please add customisation to the HUD? Literally let me change placements of things or outright get rid stuff. Heck devs in general need to do it.
It annoyes me that the heist selection is hidden in the game files. You can fix it with mods but like just put it in the game. I'm tired of queuing. I really want to know who thought removing crime net was a good idea. also the sensitivy slider is just awful. You have number! why can't I go from the max to 0!!! Like I don't get it. 😒 Also I'm still upset that we called the server issues before the game releases and they still didn't listen and said " Well always online won't be a problem cause the server will always be up and we are going to have no issues." Yeah right that one didn't age well.
I actually heard about the heist selection being in the game somewhere, but I didn’t look into mods for this video so I couldn’t confirm it or anything
This is basically every AAA Games Launches, ofc it's not surprising at all. Look at every game from AAA game industries launches and it's exactly the same. Missing Features, Barebone and Always Online Model. At this point, I rather play indie made games like the Noteriety in Roblox xD
So -the gun play isn't fun -the skill trees are beyond boring -the progression system is worse than halo infinite at launch -the attachments are basically useless
Thank you so much, been looking for more videos like this on payday 3, very critical. I love the game and hope the devs can answer the community wishes, or els there's no future for this game🙏🏽
I hate the dye packs so much. They said you can play this game solo, yet the very first heist has an objective that is mathematically designed to be near impossible to fully complete in solo. There's barely enough time to disable most of them, never mind all, so the challenge for getting all the loot is damn near impossible for a solo player. I hate playing in public lobbies, my friends hardly play when I'm online, and my internet sucks right now so all my games are laggy as all hell so I'd be a liability to the other players anyway. I get that it's designed as a co-op game but "co-op" doesn't have to mean "anti-solo". This game actively discourages solo players from having any real fun. At least Killing Floor has some minor tweaks that make solo more viable because they understand that not everyone likes multiplayer. It's still not a breeze but there are some specific QoL improvements dedicated to solo players (including the ability to pause the damn game if I suddenly have to pee or something). I tried so damn hard to like this game and excuse all the bullshit but it's getting tiring. I paid $90 and I don't want that money back. I genuinely like the game for what it is but I'm already considering uninstalling it and just going back to Payday 2. I love you, Overkill. I'm asking this because I care: What the fuck happened? I know you're better than this. What happened?
Disabling all the dye packs yourself in the first bank is definitely possible. Start on the left to minimise time spent running, and hold your interact button before you target the next dye pack so you start disabling it as soon as possible. I end up missing one about half the time, but I don't try that hard.
@@gitghetto Yeah, I wrote that comment, then saw another video showing that it is in fact possible. I wanted to edit this comment but I couldn't remember the video so thanks for replying. But it's still insanely difficult and designed with zero regard for solo players so I think my point still stands. Maybe not as strong as I thought, but still.
@@chickencurry420 I don't have any real problem with the dye packs, given that the only benefit from disabling them after completing the challenge is a couple hundred grand per heist. I do agree that there's a few things in the game that aren't attainable by playing solo, though, such as the secret painting on the Under the Surphaze heist, or finishing Touch the Sky with all 4 players holding a hostage. Not being able to solo those objectives is definitely a source of frustration for me. On the other hand, most of the truly un-soloable content I've encountered is in the style of either niche achievements (like the 4 hostages on Touch the Sky) or in the style of a mystery for the community to figure out (the secret painting). While I'm disappointed they can't be solo'd, I do appreciate that different style of content that's made possible by sacrificing the ability to solo those objectives.
i have the feeling they wanted the roblox version gone to hide the fact that a smaller studio of kids was able to make something better than payday 3 because these that play the roblox version only do so because they dont have the hardware or money to play the original games
I was so excited for preplanning to be expanded and be so good, and what did they do? Removed it. I was excited for the game to be have more randomness in the maps so each time u play the map it's noticeably different, expanding on what they did with 2 What did they do? Made maps less random.
my first words after booting up the game for the 1st time with my friends and seeing that main menu screen were "this looks like a fucking mobile game parody of payday someone made in unity"
in console version an autoaim exist as it's usual. The matter here that it SUCKS, it only works at short distances, distances where you usually got the head in the aim. But it automatically aim at the body. It's anoyng with shield, and sometimes (at very ver VERY short distances it aim at an void point). And there's not option to disable it c:
I was ok with stealth being centered in a crowded area, thus forcing the mission to go loud at some point, it made it feel like stealth was at least giving you a head start on a loud heist. You can imagine how upset I was when the last part of the mission was just securing bags, I get caught because of course I did, and suddenly there's an unforgiving barrage of enemies flooding in as the first assault is also now endless.
Finally a honest review. I've seen many who simply say the problem is because it's just recently released and it takes time. Instead the problem is much deeper in the gameplay and in the path that the developers have chosen. Honestly, playing it feels like playing a Chinese version of Payday 2 which only has good graphics because it was recently released.
What reviews have you been seeing? All I’ve been seeing are negative ones. On a side note, people forget the state payday 2 launched in. Payday 2 was supposed to be like a more in-depth, harder game compared to the prequel, but it was a broken, buggy mess that was lacking in content (it was reusing some maps for the earlier heists too). Low and behold, look where it is now. I won’t sit here and deny the state PD3 is in. It’s bad, real bad. But at the same time, there’s something there. It’s the reason people stuck around with Payday 2. It *had* something. I feel 3 is gonna be a repeat of 2, as there have been plenty of “It’s so Over” and “We’re so back” moments throughout payday’s life.
@@Dr.Oofers Usual Gaslighting. -PD2 had a good launch, certainly not as crappy as PD3. -PD2 had many changes over the years because of its success and popularity. It has evolved, that's for sure, but it never started out so badly. I'm one of the few who played PD2 at launch so I know what I'm talking about therefore it is useless to make certain statements and lying so shamelessly in order to change the past. PD3 won't improve how we want, the Developers have already declared that they have made a firm choice not to change the XP system and I doubt they will change the matchmaking for a crime-net alternative, at least not in the short future. More radical changes are needed that will never be made because the game is already a fail, for sure releasing more maps won't change the drop in accounts.
@@ilmistico90 “Gaslighting.” Oh okay. Instantly on the offensive I see. Yes, I also have played payday 2 at launch, I believe the same month it came out (august 2013). You and I must’ve had different experiences if you also played close to that time. Reminder that payday 2 was a rushed job, so much so that the Cloaker wasn’t even in the game until dlc 2. And bain screeching about civ casualties was supposed to work on a tier system with him being harsher the more you killed, but it was bugged (like other things in the game). Hell, I remember when bulldozers spawned late into an assault that by the time you’d see them, the assault would already be over and they’d be leaving. When HRT’s were still a thing. When the skill trees had tons of skills that you also had to purchase with cash alongside skillpoints, instead of just three/four tiers. When you only had two teammate bots per heist instead of three. Now I admit, my comment made it seem like payday 2 was just like payday3. it’s not entirely like it, and I apologize for it coming off that way. To be honest, the people thinking 3 is hopeless haven’t seen what payday 2 was at launch with how janky and buggy most of it was. I doubt overkill will stick with the xp system they have now. I mean, if it was gonna use the typical “store works day 1; game doesn’t” feel, why haven’t they? It’s why I suspect that it was gonna be a full live service game until they cut it last minute. It was the investors/execs who decided on the live service stuff (and probably panicked last minute when they saw how live service typically ends up). I doubt payday 3 will be killed off so early especially with how big mod support is currently and the attention (regardless of its negativity) it has. People said infinite and 2042 were a fail, and look where they are now. It sucks, but if I have to wait, I’ll wait. I’ll eat my words too if they do cut support.
@@Dr.Oofers Again Gaslighting. So in your opinion PD2 had a bad launch because it didn't have things it has today? You realize nothing you wrote made PD2 a bad game, right? You only listed things that have been added over time and yes, like all games, it had and has bugs but they never made the game unplayable. So your gaslight is based on the fact that it didn't have all the updates from the start and as a result it was a terrible game at launch. PD2 was a great success and over time it had new features as I already said in the previous comment. Just because PD2 didn't have some feature from the start doesn't mean the launch was bad.
Can't believe what they did to Noteriety. You literally have people pirating the game and you focus on decimating a small fun Roblox game that encouraged people to play the actual game.
47:01 Bain: "Uh. I hope I got this right... We'll go with (ingredient). ...I...think." "Okay, what's next... Oh I'm going with (ingredient). ...it's a toss-up, really." "Uh... mhm... (ingredient). ...this website better be accurate." "Uh... mhm... (ingredient)? ...IF my calculations are correct." "Uh... mhm... (ingredient)? ...and kiss your lucky charms." "Alright, let's see... (ingredient). ...I think so, at least." "Apparently Matt was in some kind of accident. Just continue forward." "Bain, I mean, nurse Bain." "Guys, You look pale, you feelin' alright?" "Sorry guys, you're left for dead!" "Yes, that's it! Pay-dirt. Now sit on that stuff and hang tight." "And wolf, stay off the dance floor." "It's a big bank, but it's still a bank." "Is that a fully functional meth lab?" "Seven bucks!? We were hardly here!" "How much for parking? That's a robbery!" "We came, we saw, we robbed a whole bunch of old Roman shit." "Remember guys. Don't get distracte-... Wait, is that from the First Triumvirate?" "Alright gamblers, let's get gambling." Shade:
I think people really forget the fustercluck that was the payday 2 release and how long the game was actually out. when a game has 8 years of content of course itll be better. That being said Starbreeze is gonna need to add some real content if they want me back in. The game's current state is much too bare bones
Curious to see not too many people complaining about C-Stacks with it just being more expensive money. Being someone who wants to unlock everything its quite silly having to pay effectively 45 million dollars for a weapon attachment that is pretty much free on most other guns. I'm very much afraid that C-Stacks will be THE microtransactions. I figure all cosmetics added will be purchasable with C-Stacks, thou you'd need a ridiculous amount. Even now, 500 for a preset weapon. So 450 million for a badly modded gun which you can not re-mod, no unique parts and the skin being the only real value about it. It's a mess
I literally tossed Payday 3 into the "not buying it nor supporting the studio" bin the moment they confirmed always online being a thing. Cause fuck that whole ass shit. I will not own Payday 3 until an offline mode is a part of it.
Great vid ! Just here to say, one of the tools you get for stealth is, in my opinion, completely broken in loud. Infrasonic mines, (I think they are called like that in english) despise the fact that you have to literally make love to the surface you want to put it on, they can stun ennemies in a very wide range and for a very decent amout of time, it has saved me lots of times in critical situations (it can stun almost every type of ennemies except dozers and are not destructible by cloakers as far as I know). The only downside is that it's useless in the only loud-only heist, too much open spaces.
4:01 the issue is your RAM, I'm running an extremely similar set up right now with the game on max settings, and my GPU is even worse, and I don't run into any issues, the only difference, is I have 32gb instead of 16.
No lobby system to stay with the same people and not knowing whether you are going into a heist for stealth or to go loud are the most annoying things for me. I have to guess going off if someone has throwing knives equipped, they probably want to stealth, but still you're still just guessing. People use suppressors cause they sound cool, which is true, so you can't guess from that, and no detection system means you can't go off someone's detection level. A lobby system and a setting when you make it for either wanting to go loud or stealth fixes this. Also because of no lobby outside of missions, there is no lobby chat system, so I can't just ask people what they plan is. I played with a really cool person the other day, and I couldn't find their steam profile after to add them. It's infuriating that these thing are nice additions with, at least in my view, no downside. But alas they launched the game in an unfinished state without features, some that even Payday 2 has.
I'll never undwrstabd people who say the game isn't worth it....yet If it isn't worth it at launch, why waste your time? Then why go back to it incentivizing more studios to go with the method? If a game sucks at launch, I move on. Life is too short to waste my time waiting for it to be fixed. It's an entertaintment hovby. Im not buying a movie to wait for act 3 or the cgi to be fixed. i don't have that nuch time i game as is. So, i want quality products.
When I saw that Payday 3 publisher is Deep Silver (aka the jokers who made the Saint's Row reboot) i immediately got red flags and decided to nope out on the game before it's released which I'm glad that I never got the game
Security guards seem to throw their hands up somewhere around when the first response arrives. I'm guessing this is because shooting an unsuppressed gun instantly triggers an assault: Making security guards turn into civilians prevents a situation where you end up shooting a guard and accidentally skip the negotiation phase, but if I'm honest it just feels off to me. I understand the idea, but maybe they should make it so that firing unsuppressed weapons in the building while there are security guards alive (and a short period after so that people using auto weapons don't accidentally trigger the assault while shooting at a guard) in the building doesn't skip straight to the assault. ...Also, while I absorbed most of what you said in this video, I may have somehow imagined you mentioning the security guards surrendering. If so, sorry for the random comment. And hey, maybe I'm wrong on when they surrender as well because the last time I played this game was around three weeks ago, and I really don't care enough to reinstall the game just to fact-check myself here (I'm sure you understand.) Since I'm already commenting I should probably say that I enjoyed the video. Even though I've already formed my own opinions on the game's current and future state I enjoy seeing others express their thoughts.
small correction: diamond store (or whatever it's called) doesn't actually have random helicopter spawns, it either: 1) default: arrive temporarily at the street, then flee and come back down there on that "balcony" 2) favor: spawn on roof next to the store and stays there
For the loadout, i assume they're using tabs or vectors, which all begins at 0. They're just printing the value of the loadout you're choosing so yeah it's normal it begins at 0
from what ive heard and seen payday 3 is literally just that one room in shacklethorne auction but instead of being one room and never at any other point its the whole fucking game
16:35 could be that they didn’t rename the array indexes which is really weird. From the sounds of it, the game was made by people who either didn’t play the last game or decided that they could do a better version of payday 2 but with less of the things that made payday 2 work in the first place. The overall menu ui looks like some weird ass cod/mobile game clone. It really begs the question as to who made the game
The dmca on notoriety is just petty. I uses to play a lot of roblox when i was little and really liked notoriety leading me to eventually discovering and buying payday2. I literally would not have bought payday2 and 3 if it wasnt for notoriety on roblox
My specs even exceed the recommended requirements by a good amount, yet i can hardly play on medium settings. This is mainly due to the fact the game has to re-render ALL of the damn shadows each time you play the game. Thats right it actually doesn't cach shaders. Hopefully they will fix this
Follow up video: ua-cam.com/video/ZVSW-xb7DXc/v-deo.htmlsi=h2Cc0C9_FN7zUNy3
The stuttering you will sometimes see in the video is from the gameplay recorded, not how it was rendered or your internet being weird. Running 2 instances of OBS and also trying to run the game well is not particularly easy lol.
Also if you have your own thoughts that I didn't mention or something like that, I'll probably do a gaming and talking on the 2nd channel discussing some of those later.
@@Bedic-Mag I asked
i forgot if you mentioned it in the video or not, but what quality of graphics did you use?
The armour, you have to discuss how bad the armour system is even more as a whole.
@@cinnatic I was on all medium except for view distance which was on ultra
@@CarrotIsBad I assume you're running two instances of OBS because one is recording and one is streaming? if that's true there's a plugin called source record you should check out, if you haven't already.
Them replacing the iconic Assault Wave banner for a generic flat font one really is just a perfect visual metaphor for this entire game.
Yeah, the stylistic intro, HUD, memorable music it's not there.
@@Moji55a wdym music is fire
@@ninjaskillzyt They sure is good, but not memorable enough.
@@Moji55a I mean that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
I miss the negative film/blueprint-like UI of Payday 2
Dozer, an enemy that is heavily ARMORED, dropping a health kit instead of armor is dumb
modern liberal game dev moment
broke dick piece of shit armour!
If only they were to drop say, a plate of armor if you hit only their visor and avoid their other breakable bits, or from not killing then with the red fox which everyone who has a brain cell can and is doing
@@yoshi9019OOOOH THAT'S A GOOD IDEA
True, we mostly only hit their visor lmaoooooo
This game is pretty much just… “What if Payday 2 was like
that crime city shooter?”, and just given every bumfuck feature.
damn, this really is some sort of 'illegal manager: stonay town'.
It's like Payday 2, but it's also Crime Boss, but it's *also* any CoD game released in the last four years, but it's also Halo Infinite's launch day progression system, and god do I wish it wasn't those last three things.
Crime Boss actually had some pretty fun & cool features compared to PD3. That‘s the most sad thing. Who would‘ve thought that😂
@T4Bag4life Gunplay and movement is significantly better than PAYDAY 3's lol
I used to joke about how there was no way PD3 could possibly release in 2023 like they said. I assumed delays were inevitable. I frequently asserted that we wouldn't actually see the game until 2025. I was shocked when it became apparent that it actually was releasing on schedule.
Now that it's released, I realize I was right the first time. This isn't a game, this is sloppy early access. And the actual game that's coming seems worse every minute.
I was also confident it would get delayed, but it seems that wasn’t in the cards
What's sad about this is that there *have* been delays... for the first patch. Because that's totally going to improve the current PR situation surrounding the game.
I think Deep Silver played a big part in this, they might not have wanted to release that early
Yes, both this video and game are totally about whatever you said/thought
@@therecruitking1623 I was thinking the same but if you go back and see how they talked about finding a publisher it seems deep sliver (or that cuck media idk anymore) gave them pretty much everything they asked for and seem like it was on starbreezes terms I really think the higher ups just wanted the sheets to look better for the year of the year and they truly dont care about this franchise cause they prove that more every day they want money for thier next hit of crack (project baxter) which im still shocked they got cause like its been proven since 2013 OVK/SBZ dont know how to make 4 person coop games lol they just wear the face of ulf and his team saying its there passion
The problem with people making joke reviews is now the reviews are mixed instead of negative so they're less incentivized to fix the game right away
People recommending a broken game for a meme is so stupid. I don't get why people do it
i think a game being below positive is a sign that any reasonable person would understand means theres something wrong with the game, the devs are also pretty aware of the issues the community has since theyre more involved compared to other dev teams
@@skippi99r32 Despite this, they've still somehow been radio silent about the coming patch
@@MyUsersDark dont blame them, everything thats been happening is kind of embarrassing, i wouldnt show my face till i had a fix either
@@skippi99r32 Yeah, but at least some reassurance would be nice for the people playing. It's been a month and there's no patch.
We got buff icons at the cost of a good hud.
Bravo dev team
Seriously. Fuck modern gaming's UI design. I mean for fuck's sakes, small-budget games on the 6th console generation had better fucking HUDs than PD3! Seriously, it's like modern day devs just slap a bunch of rectangles, straight white lines and plain text on everything and call it a day. Because fuck art direction, right?
there is nothing stranger than seeing payday 2 be heralded as the superior option which i think says a lot about this games disastrous launch
You got a problem with payday 2? 😂
@@Yourantsallythat game is always falling apart at the seams lol
@@hejhejaske I've never had problems with it. Maybe you just mod it too much
Nothing strange about that. If you look at the amount of content payday 2 has its going to be hard to compete at launch. It wouldnt have as much content as a game with a decade of DLC and added content! lol
@@NordicVigilanteI don't think that such plays a true factor in the end, even at launch Payday 2 had a good deal already laid out, while it wasn't the best or as good as it now stands, it was still better than Payday 3 if we look at launch alone
Finding about the Steam250 was hilarious where PD3 was launched.
But ye all these sudden changes like denuvo and all the MTX/preorders... it was super clear I aint wasting my time on this.
Sorry for your loss Carrot.
I don’t think people will stop asking you to play it though lol
Didnt they said they removed denuvo
They haven't added MTX yet, and gosh I hope they don't
As for Denuvo, they announced they removed it before launch lol
The reason people wanna hear your opinion is because it's very valuable, when I started tackling DSOD you and Carrot were the 2 primary people I learned from and I'm sure there's a lot of people like me. I was waiting for a video from one of you because I'm specifically interested in your takes.
I used to play Notoriety back in like 2019, i wanted to see how it was doing because they had some original heists that were fun to run on stealth just to find out it was DMCA'd by Starbreeze despite being completely fine with it 6 years ago? Wild stuff
Goes without saying but I'm glad I was skeptical about pre-ordering the game
i assume that staff changed, and they got more corrupt. Like once always another famous developing team goes corrupt and cash grabby.
i played the shit out of that game when i was 10-12, fucking sucks that its gone now
One minor correction, you can actually retrieve throwing knives from enemies without skills, as long as you actually hit and kill the enemies with it instead of hitting walls
Noted, guess my aim was just bad lol
additionally, you can't pick them up if your weapons' ammo pools are full for some reason
many times i would lose track of where my knives were because they wouldn't get picked up, even if it's a more minor issue
now the game is good.
No, this is a skill, scrounger, under Ammo specialist @@atacantul3714
Not being able to tell the crew AI to stay put is such a small thing that completely changes solo play
You can’t tell them to stay at the entrance and hold off the cops well you did the objective
They just follow you everywhere
Would have been a good game 10 years ago. They took out some amazing Payday 2 quality of life things. Cant preplan maps with team, no storehouse, no adjusting NPC gear, less heists than Payday 2 release, no real melee, no communicating with your team... in a team based game. Progress is stupid for Infamy. Even on overkill you get no exp for doing a mission silent. I don't want to be forced to play in a way that I simply don't want to. I want to play the game I want to play. In what world is it acceptable for the developers to tell you how to enjoy a game?!
I get the criticism but I don’t see the problem with there only being 8 heists since most of it is actually really good. Melee was pretty useless in Payday 2 so I don’t see why you’d care to have it in Payday 3 also you can still communicate with your team in game what are you talking about????? Unless you repeated the same problem of there being no text chat during pre planning
@huevodorado71 You can't communicate with your team in game other than prompts... so what are you talking about???????
@@wayvoedorado71I agree with the 8 heists thing cuz they are bigger compared to Payday 2, but melee, while not necessary, could've still stayed
As for communication, we don't have voice chat, and we also don't even have pre-game chat. Without pre-game chat, I've been having a hard time finding the right lobby and I discover whether they're doing stealth or loud AFTER picking my loadout
@@Thebigsxe I think you have a mistake there because you can still type in ingame chat in Payday 3. I think you don’t realize that you need to click enter two times to be able to do so. If you’re on console then I don’t know what to tell you.
@huevodorado71 you cannot type in in game chat on console. You also can't read what PC players type. So what are you talking about?
It was suprising seeing you mention Notoriety, really glad to see a content creator understand the frustration behind Notoriety's dmca
Yeah but it was WAY before the allegations, so it Aged REALLY poorly
@@purplemax5140What?
@@Dr.Oofers there was a heist called face breakout which was a copy of Hoxton Breakout, But the person who we broke out, fave would have allegations about grooming but that was years after the heist came out and it was removed before
@@Dr.Oofers what possesses people like you to come into a conversation between other people where everyone else knows what's going on, and drop an audacious "what" like it's their fault you don't understand what's being discussed 😂😂😂
@@sinch4044 Bad bait. If you want me to fall for it, don’t try so damn hard.
Your nitpicking and biased, the game is OBJECTIVELY better, reddit told me so 😡
I LOVE GETTING BACK TO THE SEDDLE
Thought Reddit was shitting on this game too lmao
@@tutiopan2247 it's like 50/50, but the comments are all apologists
@nathanfrank9469, not really as much as you would think.
I saw a lot of people defending the lack of content with
" buh buh but payday 2 had the same or even less on launch" as if that some how makes this game more content rich and not dry af. It's little wonder why payday 2 has like 30k more players than 3.
@@Nerevarine420 That’s strange cuz the only posts I saw were posts saying how PD2’s lack of content on launch doesn’t justify PD3’s lack of content. Also PD2 hasn’t even had 30k players for a long time, the most I’ve seen is 20k.
Edit: Nvm it just hit 30k players today.
The biggest issue I have with the XP system is that it's pretty much bound to "play this heist 15 times" or "max out this gun".
Once we get DLCs, all challenges will become "buy this stuff and use it once or your max XP is capped"
"A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto
Haven't watched the video but tbh the writing was on the wall with Starbreeze being close to bankruptcy, having lost most of their talent over the years, Denuvo, Always Online, and more. The most and not really surprising thing was seeing how many blind people exist in this day. One guy even told me the pre-release build was 6 months old and it'd all be fixed by launch lol. I replied to the guy asking when they were going to push the new build out after launch and he ignored me.
Payday 3 should have been delayed until 2024 at the VERY least, and the funny part is that this super hyped up game, the reason that people kept starbreeze going from 2019 to 2023, has been review bombed to death (for good reason) because starbreeze are incompetent. I would rather keep playing Payday 2 and never touch this game, at least as long as they INSIST on not adding an offline mode.
"Only RNG difference I noticed was where the helicopter spawns in diamond store."
What if I told you that was actually a heist specific favour? That's right, it's even worse than you thought.
bruh
God, fuck the favors being like that. I can discount some of the other big problems as being publisher interference or engine inexperience, but why on earth would you throw out the mapped preplanning system that already worked for a version that's *worse* than what we had in 2's older heists where you could just buy favors from the pre-heist menu?! Why can't you actually buy heist-exclusive favors or favors in general? Why can't you unready? *WHY THE HELL DO WE NOT HAVE FUNCTIONING PREGAME COMMS?!*
I also don't mind the RNG only being rerolled if you quit to menu and start a new instance of the heist from a stealth perspective, but combined with the REQUIREMENT to queue up for heists instead of just being able to launch an offline job or host your own lobby it becomes incredibly annoying.
I noticed at least one RNG difference in every heist which does change gameplay quite a bit.
I'm a fan of Payday so what I'm about to say is no way hating.
I spent $90 on Payday to support the company and again, I'm a fan. The first two were fun. I didn't receive anything at all from My preorder purchase, frustrating.
The no voice chat during missions where you need to work together, frustrating.
To have to reboot the game after getting booted out of a mission just to be at the end, frustrating.
Being in a lobby ready up with 3 players just to have the fourth player come in the lobby and restart the mission timer, almost rage worthy.
This experience has taught Me a valuable lesson. I'll never purchase a pre-order and I will wait months before I purchase a "new"(beta) title again.
Thanks Starbreeze for ruining My gaming experience and thanks Deep Silver for publishing the worst gaming experiences in the history of gaming.
🇵🇷✊🏾🇦🇬
Honestly, i knew it was over once i saw the logo reveal. Right then and there i had a hunch, it looked corporate and soulless, like a template you would show to your boss.
Once i played the game, i wasn't expecting anything, but i was still disappointed. From the UI and cutscenes that look like mobile ads from early 2010s to characters models looking straight out of Payday 2. Hell, i even discovered they used like early 2000s sprites to populate the windows of the buildings looking down on the street.
This entire game feels like a corporate prototype that you'd pitch to investors as an idea.
They had the money, the had the time, they were supposed to learn from Payday 2 and yet none of it was put into proper use.
It's infuriating what corporate greed has done to the video game industry 🤬🤬
You can blame deep silver for that
people still buy these games tho, that's the real issue.
It's not even corporate greed. Do y'all remember the absolute state PayDay 2 released in?
Cant just blame cooperate greed when you have players that are willing to purchase half assed garbage. At some point gamers need to acknowledge their own part to this tomfoolery.
I also always take the heaviest armor, but what the game doesn't tell you is that your armor regen delay is the slowest with the highest armor and the lighter ones regen faster. The infamy 77 AR is the only automatic weapon worth using in the game because it has the highest armor pen letting it oneshot to the head. Before that one every other automatic is garbage.
About the ending of the video, yes, payday 2 is indeed in a better state now, playable, if you will, but I still can't and never will forgive starbreeze for u237. Safes&drills update. All the broken promises. Leaving certain communities dead in the water out of pure laziness, (consoles, linux, you name it), and so much more I can't currently recall. I love PAYDAY 2 so much, but they lost all the respect I had for them. Sorry for rambling lmao
“Laziness.” “Consoles, linux.”
You realize the engine they made payday 2 on, right? Notorious for being garbage and unstable? Why do you think console updates came after numerous dlcs? Cause it’s a chore to work with a terrible engine. Linux was mostly close to PD3’s launch, and they likely needed everyone they could get (even if it was wasted effort).
1:50 You can literally get the ingame mask without paying for the collectors edition btw. All you have to do is send a purchase request to the starbreeze servers with the item id changed to the id of the mask.
Huh? I refuse to believe this is true
@@ObcasusINLit isn't lol
The answer to the loadout question is both stupid but kind of funny.
In programming 0 is the starting number not 1 so when they programmed you to have 7 loadout slots they didnt specify to the program to start counting at 1 instead of 0
Almost an hour of carrot talking, you spoil us. I do agree with what you said, wich is a little sad. I was hoping payday 3 would be good, that starbreeze, overkill or whoever had learnt at least something from payday 2. But sadly thats not the case. Well, to some degree this was to be expected, though maybe not this bad.
I just now realized it was an hour along
PD3 really shows the line of thinking in the industry today. Think about all the ways to monetize before making a game that is free of bugs and fun to play for many people.
But PD2 already annoyed me with monetization. The heists didn't get cooler, bigger and more complicated. Instead we got to play as Ethan Klein and got to buy one OP weapon after another.
Seriously. Who's brilliant idea was it to add fucking h3h3 into the game?
59:01 the text says "I hear PD2 has had massive QOL updates and is playable after the U237 fiasco. Idk though, haven't installed the game since then."
15:00 I guarantee you, the open space to the right is for a battlepass
15:09 if I had to guess, it’s blank now but later it’ll be filled with ads for DLC or micro transactions
I had a funny experience in the beta where a dallas bot marked a grenadier behind a chains bot and it sounded like dallas called chains the n word and is also why I dont call them "naders"
Stop using twitter bro youll start sseeing naders in the walls
@@hardboiled2987 I dont use twitter but I start laughing too hard when I say naders cuz it reminds me of the funny
As a longtime fan of PD2, I couldnt explain to my casual friends my problems from PD3. You really "condensed" my thoughts in this video, and im very grateful, lol.
Bro really said that not being able to keep shooting even though your magazine isn’t even in the gun is “clunky” lmao
this reminds me of another game in a beloved franchise where terrorists fight against cops that also had a terrible launch
I completely agree with basically everything you say in this video. In addition to the cops bland dialogue, the civilians also have like 4 voice lines that are burned into my memory from hearing them so many times. "I'm sueing!" "First I missed my train, now I'm getting robbed" "you just stepped on my 1000 dollar shoes" "Go back to where you came from"
Well yeah they’re kind of meant to be annoying because it’s funny and it doesn’t really matter otherwise. Look at GTA 5.
@@stokedmetal1839 True but gta v has 1000s of NPC dialogue compared to payday 3 with a maximum of like 20 (civilians exclusively)
from the perspective of software engineer - I can answer multiple questions with simple answer that you already provided.... its not finished- that's why some fonts are different than other, why layouts, GUI issues (displaced items) things like loadout starting from 0 than 1... all of those "tiny" issues are meant to be polished, having that in minds its easy to confirm one thing. This game released at least 8 sprints earlier... it also looks like backend developer did frontend work xD
Hey look, it's my Armor Penetration post at 18:59
Yeah, I found someone posted a bunch of datamined stats for weapons that are stated nowhere in the game like damage falloff, headshot multiplier falloff (huh???), and most importantly armor penetration, which as an concept is only briefly mentioned in only one skill, Cutting Shot. However, that singular skill completely dictates how a weapon performs, and every gun lives and dies by that stat. In addition, someone told me a day after I made that post that the random AP reduction I assumed to just be inherit to the AP calculation was actually part of the enemy stats that I did not have access to, and that Shields and Bulldozers had a higher stat, but it's not really worth building for those enemies since the you can't actually build for the bulldozers (and the overkill sniper 2-shots the bulldozer to the body), and it's not a big ask to get multiple headshots on the shield.
The Scar, M308, Bison and Castigos are all the most powerful of the base weapons because they have high enough base damage and AP to one-tap regular cops (no req for M308, Edge for Bison and Scar, Edge + Cutting Shot for Castigo)
If you want to use an automatic, just use an AK since it can natively 2-tap to the head, or if you're already using Cutting Shot with Castigos, you can use the M4 and have mostly better stats in other non-damage areas. If you want to use a shotgun, use the Mosconi. Enemies have armor-gating, which makes the pump-action never one-shot a heavyswat unless you have Face to Face, which is a niche skill that's not useful on any other actually good gun. Mosconi will always one-shot a heavy swat with no buffs provided all 7 pellets land, but only needs 5 if a pellet is a headshot.
The SMG class is extremely gimped by the fact that they're primaries instead of secondaries, and they also have the lowest headshot multipliers in the game. The MP7 would actually be decent if SMGs were secondaries due to its unnaturally high AP and non-damage stats, the MPX is a smaller, shittier Car-4 that I don't understand why people like more while the MP7 is better in every way that matters, and the Zip Commando is by far the worst gun in the game with it being the only primary to have 0 AP at all. Making SMGs secondaries would make their downsides less of an issue since they wouldn't competing with rifles anymore and give people a secondary automatic, though the micro uzi would still be dogshit even by secondary standards.
Every other gun in the game ranges from "workable with issues" to "literal dogshit", and most of that is due to AP. The B-9 has lower damage and AP than all of the other ARs, the bolt-action has awful RPM (which gets worse because of unscoping to cycle the bolt decreasing your firerate even more) and falloff issues, every pistol has basically 0 AP which makes them completely inferior to revolvers outside of stealth for silencers, so the only pistol you'd ever use is the Stryk because it has the highest magazine, rpm, and pickup of pistols, and the time to kill is basically the same as the other pistols.
The only gadget I bring for loud is Infrasonic Mines, because you can throw them on objectives that you have to defend and activate them when an enemy gets highlighted interacting with the object, or throw them at your feet/on a shield and detonate them as a clunkier flashbang that doesn't take up a grenade slot. I think the only other gadget remotely useful is the sensor, but that has a target limit of 15 before they break. Micro cams are mainly only used in stealth, and the ECM is literally only useful in stealth, and only for like ecm rushes on the jewelry store if at all.
Throwing Knives can be picked up if you kill someone with it, though someone already told you that. They're mainly a "fun" grenade option that isn't that bad, but the Smoke and Flash grenades are just better for if you actually want performance, while Frags are just not good.
Melees, there's not really much to them, but if you have Tactician, you can activate Edge from just meleeing them. You will also just naturally get edge from shooting at enemies with Tactician, since enemy staggers from damage counts for Tactician. Combined with Enforcer basic to get Grit, and you can get the stagger immunity from Solid for free, which is pretty good. Other than that I think the only reason buffs are labeled as such, is not because of their standard effect of 10% damage or DR, but so they can be easily understood as "activators" for other buffs like the stagger immunity from Solid or the AP increase from Cutting Shot.
I think the only reason people give the circles a pass on Gold and Sharke is because it's a big bank, and it's early enough in the heist that you can complete it during the negotiation phase, so you don't have to get shot at while doing it. I'd say Touch the Sky should also qualify for being early enough in the heist, but it's not a bank so people aren't as lenient with it.
This game has no soul. Devs were like ''oh you can shoot cops and do objectives with nicer graphics people gonna go nuts!!'' and missed the whole point.
The cool thing is that PAYDAY 2 at launch used bars to represent weapon stats and they changed that but brought it back the same way in PAYDAY 3. There are so many things that worked well in PAYDAY 2 that they just decided to throw away completely for no reason in PAYDAY 3. It is literally less work to do when you have something that already works. It almost seems like the people responsible for PAYDAY 3 planning and development didn't play PAYDAY 2 or know enough about it.
For the lack of a better way to say:
Overkill and Starbreeze fumbled the bag HARD with PD3
Beautiful video and very insightful
I don't know if it's just me, but not only does the new Bain replacement (Shade, right?) is not only unfunny and talks like a 13 year old emo kid, but also it just doesn't feel like she really cares about the heisters like Bain did.
Payday 3 isn't out yet give it a decade they will finally release it
One of my favorite mechanics in this game is movement inaccuracy, where when you're moving or running, most guns will have their bullets go not where your your crosshair is, but in random directions. In a fast paced, pve, objective based game where you are constantly forced between cover.
Buddy, what?? This has been present in literally every single fps from the past decade
@-cold-1761 Games without movement inaccuracies over the past decades: All halos, all half life's, Team Fortress 2, Titanfall 2, Apex Legends, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2, Overwatch 1 and 2, Payday 2. The similarities between these games is that all of them are very popular and none of them have bloom after shooting a few shots or movement inaccuracy.
@@tides8464 You're actually high if you think anything but tf2 doesn't have bloom after some shots. The only time that really applies is if you ADS in those games, which, when you ADS in payday 3, it also knocks the bloom to nothing.
And you're telling me a couple of Hero shooters centered around ability use more than gunplay don't have movement penalties to shooting? Shocker.
And neither do the narrative-based shooters like halo and Half-Life 2? Where your goal is moreso getting through to the next set piece? again, shocker.
And a fast paced hoard-based game where you run from objective to objective to escape doesn't have movement penalties to aiming? Say it again, what a shocker.
@EpicWinNoob Payday 3 is a fast paced horde shooter where you run from objective to objective, just like left for dead. And if you try to argue that Payday 3 is more like Payday the Hiest, that game was directly inspired by left 4 dead and had no bloom or movement inaccuracy.
We here at starbreez are working hard very hard on trying to figure out what kind a pizza to order
Considering how Starbreeze treated PD2 players, it'll never be worth it.
shade is just "if payday 3 was written by vivziepop"
Not gonna talk about always online, dedicated server thingy cause it is just dumb and everyone said everything that needs to be said about it. Not gonna say anything about stuff that are outsourced since stuff looks coherant ig. Not gonna talk about the unreal engine template menus either. What I wanna point out is how little gameplay depth there is. In PDTH you worry about your health and ammo and use the armor as much as possible to peek and deal damage back. In payday 2 you pick and choose what you want to manage using perk decks; use anarchist to ditch health management for armor, stoic for the opposite, use muscle to manage both, use rogue to still manage both but give yourself a leg room, plus the variations of these main playstyles with more or less to manage, you were able to just pick and choose your own gameplay depth. In payday 3 you use an armor bag once you lose two armor chunks and take some damage to the third, there is nothing else to manage. Pick an high AP weapon, spend 8 skill points for armor bags and plus few more for cutting shot and long shot and bring armor bags and congrats, you learned and mastered the game under 2 hours. Such a shame really.
There are mechanics in PDTH and Payday 2 that would take hours to even recognize, like the auto-aim based on accuracy up to 41 metres. Yes that is an actual mechanic in Payday 2. It's pretty cool too, it lets you hit snipers with a 40 accuracy muzi if you miss enough and in range. There are no hidden QoL mechanics in Payday 3 nor mechanics that are in front and center provide depth to the experience.
7:55 ah yes pd3 on switch that thing was barely able to handle 2 and even that got killed directly after launch
I actually really hate the HUD in game... Why in gods name do I need to be told how to throw, pick lock, back out etc all the damn time? Why do I need my buttons to show at the bottom as if I forgot how to throw a nade, bag etc? I know my binds now just let me get rid of all of this shit. The constant text in the top left telling me what to do which gets bigger with more tasks, the middle saying private, public with the black box around it, then changing to the different police states ( I should be able to turn this off, the games music makes it clear what waves are going on ), heck the placement of your team mates is annoying... there are so many better ways of doing this shit. I hate games with tons of HUD elements that are either useless or straight up placed poorly. Can devs please, please add customisation to the HUD? Literally let me change placements of things or outright get rid stuff. Heck devs in general need to do it.
We're hoping to get the day 1 patch out some time this year.
Happy heisting! 👊😎
It annoyes me that the heist selection is hidden in the game files. You can fix it with mods but like just put it in the game. I'm tired of queuing. I really want to know who thought removing crime net was a good idea. also the sensitivy slider is just awful. You have number! why can't I go from the max to 0!!! Like I don't get it. 😒 Also I'm still upset that we called the server issues before the game releases and they still didn't listen and said " Well always online won't be a problem cause the server will always be up and we are going to have no issues." Yeah right that one didn't age well.
I actually heard about the heist selection being in the game somewhere, but I didn’t look into mods for this video so I couldn’t confirm it or anything
@CarrotIsBad there was an almost finished offline mode found in the game files if u curious
The armor bag has enough of being neglected in payday 2 so it became the whole meta lol
This is basically every AAA Games Launches, ofc it's not surprising at all.
Look at every game from AAA game industries launches and it's exactly the same. Missing Features, Barebone and Always Online Model.
At this point, I rather play indie made games like the Noteriety in Roblox xD
I almost exclusively play old games nowadays. AAA has become a joke.
So
-the gun play isn't fun
-the skill trees are beyond boring
-the progression system is worse than halo infinite at launch
-the attachments are basically useless
Thank you so much, been looking for more videos like this on payday 3, very critical. I love the game and hope the devs can answer the community wishes, or els there's no future for this game🙏🏽
Overkill trick you into giving them your money... the perfect heist.
I hate the dye packs so much.
They said you can play this game solo, yet the very first heist has an objective that is mathematically designed to be near impossible to fully complete in solo. There's barely enough time to disable most of them, never mind all, so the challenge for getting all the loot is damn near impossible for a solo player. I hate playing in public lobbies, my friends hardly play when I'm online, and my internet sucks right now so all my games are laggy as all hell so I'd be a liability to the other players anyway.
I get that it's designed as a co-op game but "co-op" doesn't have to mean "anti-solo". This game actively discourages solo players from having any real fun. At least Killing Floor has some minor tweaks that make solo more viable because they understand that not everyone likes multiplayer. It's still not a breeze but there are some specific QoL improvements dedicated to solo players (including the ability to pause the damn game if I suddenly have to pee or something).
I tried so damn hard to like this game and excuse all the bullshit but it's getting tiring. I paid $90 and I don't want that money back. I genuinely like the game for what it is but I'm already considering uninstalling it and just going back to Payday 2.
I love you, Overkill. I'm asking this because I care: What the fuck happened? I know you're better than this. What happened?
Disabling all the dye packs yourself in the first bank is definitely possible.
Start on the left to minimise time spent running, and hold your interact button before you target the next dye pack so you start disabling it as soon as possible.
I end up missing one about half the time, but I don't try that hard.
@@gitghetto Yeah, I wrote that comment, then saw another video showing that it is in fact possible. I wanted to edit this comment but I couldn't remember the video so thanks for replying.
But it's still insanely difficult and designed with zero regard for solo players so I think my point still stands. Maybe not as strong as I thought, but still.
@@chickencurry420 I don't have any real problem with the dye packs, given that the only benefit from disabling them after completing the challenge is a couple hundred grand per heist.
I do agree that there's a few things in the game that aren't attainable by playing solo, though, such as the secret painting on the Under the Surphaze heist, or finishing Touch the Sky with all 4 players holding a hostage.
Not being able to solo those objectives is definitely a source of frustration for me.
On the other hand, most of the truly un-soloable content I've encountered is in the style of either niche achievements (like the 4 hostages on Touch the Sky) or in the style of a mystery for the community to figure out (the secret painting).
While I'm disappointed they can't be solo'd, I do appreciate that different style of content that's made possible by sacrificing the ability to solo those objectives.
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i have the feeling they wanted the roblox version gone to hide the fact that a smaller studio of kids was able to make something better than payday 3 because these that play the roblox version only do so because they dont have the hardware or money to play the original games
I was so excited for preplanning to be expanded and be so good, and what did they do?
Removed it.
I was excited for the game to be have more randomness in the maps so each time u play the map it's noticeably different, expanding on what they did with 2
What did they do?
Made maps less random.
Yeah because relying on RNG to not fuck you over or to get a free extremely easy 1 million is fun. It's fucking infuriating
my first words after booting up the game for the 1st time with my friends and seeing that main menu screen were "this looks like a fucking mobile game parody of payday someone made in unity"
in console version an autoaim exist as it's usual. The matter here that it SUCKS, it only works at short distances, distances where you usually got the head in the aim. But it automatically aim at the body.
It's anoyng with shield, and sometimes (at very ver VERY short distances it aim at an void point). And there's not option to disable it c:
I miss Notoriety. It was basically older Payday 2.
broken Triple A games at launch is such a common thing now. what happened
I was ok with stealth being centered in a crowded area, thus forcing the mission to go loud at some point, it made it feel like stealth was at least giving you a head start on a loud heist. You can imagine how upset I was when the last part of the mission was just securing bags, I get caught because of course I did, and suddenly there's an unforgiving barrage of enemies flooding in as the first assault is also now endless.
Finally a honest review.
I've seen many who simply say the problem is because it's just recently released and it takes time. Instead the problem is much deeper in the gameplay and in the path that the developers have chosen. Honestly, playing it feels like playing a Chinese version of Payday 2 which only has good graphics because it was recently released.
That’s cause kknowley is a shill
What reviews have you been seeing? All I’ve been seeing are negative ones.
On a side note, people forget the state payday 2 launched in.
Payday 2 was supposed to be like a more in-depth, harder game compared to the prequel, but it was a broken, buggy mess that was lacking in content (it was reusing some maps for the earlier heists too). Low and behold, look where it is now.
I won’t sit here and deny the state PD3 is in. It’s bad, real bad. But at the same time, there’s something there.
It’s the reason people stuck around with Payday 2. It *had* something.
I feel 3 is gonna be a repeat of 2, as there have been plenty of “It’s so Over” and “We’re so back” moments throughout payday’s life.
@@Dr.Oofers Usual Gaslighting.
-PD2 had a good launch, certainly not as crappy as PD3.
-PD2 had many changes over the years because of its success and popularity. It has evolved, that's for sure, but it never started out so badly.
I'm one of the few who played PD2 at launch so I know what I'm talking about therefore it is useless to make certain statements and lying so shamelessly in order to change the past.
PD3 won't improve how we want, the Developers have already declared that they have made a firm choice not to change the XP system and I doubt they will change the matchmaking for a crime-net alternative, at least not in the short future. More radical changes are needed that will never be made because the game is already a fail, for sure releasing more maps won't change the drop in accounts.
@@ilmistico90 “Gaslighting.”
Oh okay. Instantly on the offensive I see.
Yes, I also have played payday 2 at launch, I believe the same month it came out (august 2013). You and I must’ve had different experiences if you also played close to that time.
Reminder that payday 2 was a rushed job, so much so that the Cloaker wasn’t even in the game until dlc 2. And bain screeching about civ casualties was supposed to work on a tier system with him being harsher the more you killed, but it was bugged (like other things in the game).
Hell, I remember when bulldozers spawned late into an assault that by the time you’d see them, the assault would already be over and they’d be leaving. When HRT’s were still a thing. When the skill trees had tons of skills that you also had to purchase with cash alongside skillpoints, instead of just three/four tiers. When you only had two teammate bots per heist instead of three.
Now I admit, my comment made it seem like payday 2 was just like payday3. it’s not entirely like it, and I apologize for it coming off that way. To be honest, the people thinking 3 is hopeless haven’t seen what payday 2 was at launch with how janky and buggy most of it was. I doubt overkill will stick with the xp system they have now.
I mean, if it was gonna use the typical “store works day 1; game doesn’t” feel, why haven’t they? It’s why I suspect that it was gonna be a full live service game until they cut it last minute. It was the investors/execs who decided on the live service stuff (and probably panicked last minute when they saw how live service typically ends up).
I doubt payday 3 will be killed off so early especially with how big mod support is currently and the attention (regardless of its negativity) it has. People said infinite and 2042 were a fail, and look where they are now. It sucks, but if I have to wait, I’ll wait. I’ll eat my words too if they do cut support.
@@Dr.Oofers Again Gaslighting.
So in your opinion PD2 had a bad launch because it didn't have things it has today?
You realize nothing you wrote made PD2 a bad game, right?
You only listed things that have been added over time and yes, like all games, it had and has bugs but they never made the game unplayable. So your gaslight is based on the fact that it didn't have all the updates from the start and as a result it was a terrible game at launch.
PD2 was a great success and over time it had new features as I already said in the previous comment. Just because PD2 didn't have some feature from the start doesn't mean the launch was bad.
The real payday was overkill scamming me out of $60
Can't believe what they did to Noteriety. You literally have people pirating the game and you focus on decimating a small fun Roblox game that encouraged people to play the actual game.
47:01
Bain:
"Uh. I hope I got this right... We'll go with (ingredient). ...I...think."
"Okay, what's next... Oh I'm going with (ingredient). ...it's a toss-up, really."
"Uh... mhm... (ingredient). ...this website better be accurate."
"Uh... mhm... (ingredient)? ...IF my calculations are correct."
"Uh... mhm... (ingredient)? ...and kiss your lucky charms."
"Alright, let's see... (ingredient). ...I think so, at least."
"Apparently Matt was in some kind of accident. Just continue forward."
"Bain, I mean, nurse Bain."
"Guys, You look pale, you feelin' alright?"
"Sorry guys, you're left for dead!"
"Yes, that's it! Pay-dirt. Now sit on that stuff and hang tight."
"And wolf, stay off the dance floor."
"It's a big bank, but it's still a bank."
"Is that a fully functional meth lab?"
"Seven bucks!? We were hardly here!"
"How much for parking? That's a robbery!"
"We came, we saw, we robbed a whole bunch of old Roman shit."
"Remember guys. Don't get distracte-... Wait, is that from the First Triumvirate?"
"Alright gamblers, let's get gambling."
Shade:
I could images bain saying those AI lines and it'd fit his character so much
man why the hell did they turn bain into a woman
I think people really forget the fustercluck that was the payday 2 release and how long the game was actually out. when a game has 8 years of content of course itll be better. That being said Starbreeze is gonna need to add some real content if they want me back in. The game's current state is much too bare bones
"And if you know 1 thing about Helen Keller is .... that she's dead" great twist 😂
I literally still have not received my preorder bonus 🤣
Curious to see not too many people complaining about C-Stacks with it just being more expensive money. Being someone who wants to unlock everything its quite silly having to pay effectively 45 million dollars for a weapon attachment that is pretty much free on most other guns.
I'm very much afraid that C-Stacks will be THE microtransactions. I figure all cosmetics added will be purchasable with C-Stacks, thou you'd need a ridiculous amount. Even now, 500 for a preset weapon. So 450 million for a badly modded gun which you can not re-mod, no unique parts and the skin being the only real value about it. It's a mess
I literally tossed Payday 3 into the "not buying it nor supporting the studio" bin the moment they confirmed always online being a thing. Cause fuck that whole ass shit. I will not own Payday 3 until an offline mode is a part of it.
Great vid ! Just here to say, one of the tools you get for stealth is, in my opinion, completely broken in loud. Infrasonic mines, (I think they are called like that in english) despise the fact that you have to literally make love to the surface you want to put it on, they can stun ennemies in a very wide range and for a very decent amout of time, it has saved me lots of times in critical situations (it can stun almost every type of ennemies except dozers and are not destructible by cloakers as far as I know). The only downside is that it's useless in the only loud-only heist, too much open spaces.
Nah homie, use the mines at the two spots they spawn in, then you eliminate whole waves in a few seconds. It works for almost any map
The day one edition is just the standard edition with the pre order bonus
4:01 the issue is your RAM, I'm running an extremely similar set up right now with the game on max settings, and my GPU is even worse, and I don't run into any issues, the only difference, is I have 32gb instead of 16.
DOOOOD WTF notoriety was the game that introduced me to pay day 2 and the game has around 200 active players
No lobby system to stay with the same people and not knowing whether you are going into a heist for stealth or to go loud are the most annoying things for me. I have to guess going off if someone has throwing knives equipped, they probably want to stealth, but still you're still just guessing. People use suppressors cause they sound cool, which is true, so you can't guess from that, and no detection system means you can't go off someone's detection level. A lobby system and a setting when you make it for either wanting to go loud or stealth fixes this. Also because of no lobby outside of missions, there is no lobby chat system, so I can't just ask people what they plan is. I played with a really cool person the other day, and I couldn't find their steam profile after to add them. It's infuriating that these thing are nice additions with, at least in my view, no downside. But alas they launched the game in an unfinished state without features, some that even Payday 2 has.
Bro still don’t have my damn pre order bonus yet it’s been a month
I'll never undwrstabd people who say the game isn't worth it....yet
If it isn't worth it at launch, why waste your time? Then why go back to it incentivizing more studios to go with the method? If a game sucks at launch, I move on. Life is too short to waste my time waiting for it to be fixed. It's an entertaintment hovby. Im not buying a movie to wait for act 3 or the cgi to be fixed. i don't have that nuch time i game as is. So, i want quality products.
When I saw that Payday 3 publisher is Deep Silver (aka the jokers who made the Saint's Row reboot) i immediately got red flags and decided to nope out on the game before it's released which I'm glad that I never got the game
Yeah I hate the fact that they took down notoriety plus I literally play both games
Security guards seem to throw their hands up somewhere around when the first response arrives. I'm guessing this is because shooting an unsuppressed gun instantly triggers an assault: Making security guards turn into civilians prevents a situation where you end up shooting a guard and accidentally skip the negotiation phase, but if I'm honest it just feels off to me. I understand the idea, but maybe they should make it so that firing unsuppressed weapons in the building while there are security guards alive (and a short period after so that people using auto weapons don't accidentally trigger the assault while shooting at a guard) in the building doesn't skip straight to the assault.
...Also, while I absorbed most of what you said in this video, I may have somehow imagined you mentioning the security guards surrendering. If so, sorry for the random comment.
And hey, maybe I'm wrong on when they surrender as well because the last time I played this game was around three weeks ago, and I really don't care enough to reinstall the game just to fact-check myself here (I'm sure you understand.)
Since I'm already commenting I should probably say that I enjoyed the video. Even though I've already formed my own opinions on the game's current and future state I enjoy seeing others express their thoughts.
Why did the game release without any fun weapon.No akimbos no famas but just a m4
38:19 I heard that killing civs reduces the xp payout in pd3, which is quite detrimental... is this incorrect information?
No, killing civs makes you lose money, it doesnt really matter
There is no xp payout per completed heist you just level up with completing hideous challenges it just reduces money payout to a maximum of -70% iirc
the games slogan is "Give in to your greed"
How tf did i get this bad, cyberpunk was better than this
small correction: diamond store (or whatever it's called) doesn't actually have random helicopter spawns, it either:
1) default: arrive temporarily at the street, then flee and come back down there on that "balcony"
2) favor: spawn on roof next to the store and stays there
For the loadout, i assume they're using tabs or vectors, which all begins at 0. They're just printing the value of the loadout you're choosing so yeah it's normal it begins at 0
Payday 2 ironically having better anti-cheat and anti-piracy compared to Payday 3:
glad to hear otxo or any top down shooters they are underrated af
from what ive heard and seen payday 3 is literally just that one room in shacklethorne auction but instead of being one room and never at any other point its the whole fucking game
4:50 Wait, PD Crime War released and got shut down last year? I thought it got canned when the whole bankruptcy thing was happening with Starbreeze
16:35 could be that they didn’t rename the array indexes which is really weird. From the sounds of it, the game was made by people who either didn’t play the last game or decided that they could do a better version of payday 2 but with less of the things that made payday 2 work in the first place. The overall menu ui looks like some weird ass cod/mobile game clone. It really begs the question as to who made the game
The dmca on notoriety is just petty. I uses to play a lot of roblox when i was little and really liked notoriety leading me to eventually discovering and buying payday2. I literally would not have bought payday2 and 3 if it wasnt for notoriety on roblox
Best to go back to payday 2
My specs even exceed the recommended requirements by a good amount, yet i can hardly play on medium settings.
This is mainly due to the fact the game has to re-render ALL of the damn shadows each time you play the game. Thats right it actually doesn't cach shaders.
Hopefully they will fix this