@@JepsOutdoorAdventures - I understand your perception that carrying cocked and locked in rough terrain could be a safety concern. However, the general consensus by 1911 experts is the grip safety and slide lock safeties are more robust than you are giving credit. Carrying cocked and locked does take some mental adjustment to alter the Perception the pistol is more susceptible to unintentional discharge then a double action or single action striker fired weapons. There are a huge number of 1911s out there and you just really don’t hear about unintentional discharges that didn’t involve someone’s hand being on the grip and finger on the trigger. I went through the same emotional process myself. I in fact tried to see if I could get the hammer to drop by manipulating the trigger & tapping on an unloaded cocked and UNLOCKED pistol that didn’t have the grip safety activated. I could not get the pistol to drop the hammer without the pistol being in my hand and my finger on the trigger. This pistol is a colt 70 series that has about a 2.5 lb trigger pull. A good holster with positive retention should take care of the concern over the pistol coming out of the holster accidentally from contacting terrain. Again, if you’re not comfortable carrying condition one (cocked & locked) then don’t. But I would Choose a different firearm then carrying a 1911 with a hammer down on a round in the chamber (which i’m under the impression actually is dangerous in some 1911 pistols). Again, I’m no expert. It’s ok if you don’t agree. But I don’t carry a pistol that’s not “service ready” as I’m concerned I may not have time to cock a hammer or rack a slide. But to each there own…. Thanks for all your videos. You have provided some very informative content 👍 1911 condition of readiness article: www.usacarry.com/carrying-cocked-locked/
@@JepsOutdoorAdventuresI've carried a full sized Springfield 1911 on six 50 mile, one day hilkes in Yellowstone, south central Montana, and book cliffs, Utah.
Cocked and Locked is fine with with a Series 80 Colt style 1911 or when carried in a thumb break holster that is designed for cocked and locked carry, such as a El Paso Saddlery #2.
BTW,the 1911in 45acp was first tested prior to it’s adaptation by the US Army on live horses,mules,and cattle.The US Army still had a calvary at that time and shooting the enemy’s mount out from under them was very common.The weapon had to be capable of one shot drops on large animals as well as humans.It’s well known that the 1911 passed the testing trials with flying colors.
There is a massive difference between just mass of the mammal and penetration Grizzly and even black bear fat can be 3-8in thick, and then cranial plates can stock even .40 s&w rounds. You can shoot the bear 10 times but if they're barely getting past the bone/fat, he'll be injured and really angry.
At 67 yrs old , I watch your channel all the time . Im using your time and money so i can find the best rounds for whatever use I’m looking for. Love you reviews , keep em coming. Thank you very much for all you do .
Thanks for making this video. The .45 is likely an ideal round for carry in areas where the potentially dangerous animals are limited to the less than gigantic size such as black bear, mountain lion, and perhaps hogs. I've heard rumor that the more likely dangerous predator you can run into is other men. So, the .45 even in a solid non-expanding round would also work pretty well also as an anti-personnel round which has been proven through history.
It doesn't matter what gel test or other test show about what works best Since 1911 and even going back to 1873 the .45 has killed thousands of people in armed conflict and almost no one has griped about the .45 not being effective. That btw is with hard ball, not bonded hollow points.
There’s a surgeon in a bullet wound seminar who brought up a 45 acp not penetrating the sternum and stopping 1/2” from the heart. Rare case I’m sure but in a 45 I’ll take my ball ammo.
I just discovered your channel and subscribed immediately. You have a mature, informed, no-nonsense presentation we older folks appreciate. I do have to screech at you a bit, though. A 1911 is very safe to carry cocked and locked. That's how it was designed and is nothing to be nervous about. True, I'm an "older gentleman" who grew up on semi-autos with thumb safeties and that's my comfort zone, but re-holstering my striker-fired auto with no external hammer or tactile thumb safety finally creeped me out enough to switch back to John Browning's invention for daily carry. It takes just a nanosecond to sweep the safety off during the draw. To each his own, but the safeties on a 1911 are not a bad thing.
Thank you, I try lol! And thank you for the info, so far I've carried it cocked and locked while hunting and no problems at all. I agree with you: I like having a safety on my gun, it feels weird not having one now. Thank you again, and I greatly appreciate your support!
The 45 ACP is a very versatile caliber, especially in an auto loader. For hunting, I use Magnums, but for general carry, the 45 is easier to carry, conceal, shoot well, and is versatile enough to fill many rolls. Thanks for the video.
It’s for that reason I ditched the 10mm in favor of the 45. Versatility. I love 10mm but it is not ideal for concealed carry or personal protection outside the woods. More power than necessary, more recoil and blast. The 45 is a great round for both woods and the hoods, I load my Glock 21 with 45 super 255 grn Hardcast in the woods and switch to hollow points for a low pressure, subsonic easy to control self defense cartridge with proven man stopping power.
Not to picky, but I believe all reloading manuals refer to the cartridge as the .45 auto not the .45 acp. .45 acp obviously referring to the pistol. Although, I could be wrong on that.
@@mikerobinson8734Yes. For the mountains I always have a revolver. But, I would feel safe with my 1911. The .45 auto cartridge is excellent for soft targets, intended for a big hole, lots of damage and shock. I prefer the .45 auto over most calibers for two legged self defense. Although, the .38 Special is another great option. I can fit the .38 +p LCRx in my pocket with ease and no print. But I love the sound of that big .45 auto and recoil is minimal out of an all-steel 1911.
A 1911 is safest carried cocked and locked(hammer back and thumb safety on). In this condition it is safer than a Glock because of on a 1911 you put the safety back on before reholstering. It is dangerous to carry a 1911 with a round in the chamber and putting the hammer down on a live round let alone pulling the hammer back before shooting unless you are in a Hollywood movie. Anyway,good video. Very informative on 45ACP for the trail. Just what I was looking for, and you are right about Glock like guns(including M&P and Sig and such), lighter weight, more rounds, simple, durable, reliable. If you have a 1911 though, make sure its a good one and you’ll be just fine.
If your not carrying a 1911 in the cocked n locked position then its obvious you are untrained and uninformed about the 1911 manual of arms. Oh and it's also obvious that you sit down to piss
The .45 /230 ball rounds from a 1911 was the best car door and windshield rounds that we tested. The other rounds were .357 Magnums (all weights from 110 grain to 180 grains) and did not equal the .45ACP, but rather shed their jackets, especially when fired at different angles through the wind shield.
Yeah, after a hunting experience where a white tail shot with a .308 played possum and jumped up just as we approached and it took four .45s (JHPs) to finish him. Then we took a vehicle defense shoot course. Same basic results you reported, so I now load my mags with alternating HST & RN to cover all defensive bases. Strictly ball for hikes in woods / hunting backup.
I agree that's interesting not sure I would have expected that with the 45 ACP! Anyway I appreciate you doing these tests man they're all very interesting and I enjoy watching them, thanks, take care!!
.45acp is great, but I recently converted my Glock 21 to .45 Super! Super is greater speed which pushes the .45 cal with better penetration! Really maximizes the .45 potential! I highly recommend it if you choose .45, covert your pistol to super or if it’s born capable load .45 Super and with hard cast 255 grain! 1000 -1100 fps is better than 950 in my opinion…..
I've been thinking about this for some time. I carry 255gr Underwood which are extremely accurate for me in my Glock and Colt. 147gr Underwood in my Glock 9mm. When out in the timber. Even though I try to always have a long gun. Unless not wanting to draw attention.
I read your comment about 45 super. I have a Taurus pt845 in 45acp +p I don't think they make any more. I reload starline 45super brass, gt bullets 255gr hard cast wide mouth deep hp at cronygraphed speed of952 fps,also 250 gr xtp same. Ai don't get around our foothills and mountains much any more being disabled but not.helpless. bears not far from me .if fishing in bear area I would load 255gr 22 brinel hardness factor of 22 975 fps. Or take my Taurus tracker 44mag loaded with 265 or 280 hardcast of the same hardness at 1000-1050 fps.i load the super with the old triton ammunition company's 450smc load data. i think underwood still sells this round.the brass I s stronger than the 45super brass. it's a cut down 308winchester that use small rifle primers. I have thought about calling underwood to see if they would sell me just the 450smc brass. papa wishing you well 😊
I like my revolvers but there's something special about the 1911 and the 45ACP. Thank you for putting this video together and sharing. Recently I've been considering the 45 Super within a 1911 platform for woods carry. I have a video request, all about the 45 Super with testing. Thanks for your time.
Very good information. Thinking of a 1911 with 45 super springs in it. I hear 460 Roland might be much for a steel 1911. In fact makes sense to use a heavy polymer gun because it will flex with the power. Just what I’ve heard on another video
This is true unless you get the Rowland V2 recoil damper. It will help absorb the recoil. I had my 6.3” long slide Dan Wesson converted to .460 Rowland. With the weight of the long slide you do not need a comp. If I had a regular slide I would just go super. You only need to swap out a few parts to do so and no ugly comp is required.
1911 have way more internal safeties and actually have an external safety for cocked and locked. Way safer than a glock. More ammo is the only upside to glock. 10mm is definitely a better choice but those are nice stats I’ve never heard.
Good job. I’m glad to see you referencing TKO factor over muzzle energy. A .357 with 110 grain bullets will have plenty of muzzle energy, but that’s not going to help much on a tough critter. Definitely no FMJ RN’s they might penetrate well, but they just don’t do much damage along the way. I actually prefer a revolver loaded with heavy wide-nosed cast bullets that wouldn’t necessarily feed through an auto.
Cocked and Locked is fine with with a Series 80 Colt style 1911 or when carried in a thumb break holster that is designed for cocked and locked carry, such as a El Paso Saddlery #2.
Hey jep good Job man. Yes 45acp is perfect choice for some one to carry in the outdoors is their better yes . But has 45acp have must history of bring a stopper yes. With moder day bullet hard to beat. Even Hogan reloading maual had cool articles on 45acp useing all copper bullets.
I told a friend who was a .45 ACP every day carrier (like me,) that although I loved the round, I felt it was a little light for Bear and that I'd loan him a .44 Magnum for his Alaska trips. He did not take me up on the offer. Two years later, on a trip to Alaska, a Brown Bear charged him and his buddy while loading their winter fish onto a boat and my friend turned and fired 8 rounds with the only weapon that they had in reach , his Full Sized Series '70 .45 ACP loaded with Cor Bon +P 200 grain JHP's killing the bear as it turned broadside at the distance of a few feet. They accused me of not knowing what the "Bleep" I was talking about, and I guess in this instance they were correct.
Wow, that's quite the experience! I'm glad it worked for him. As much as I love the .45, taking it too Alaska wouldn't make me too comfortable but I guess he just reinforced my case here lol
@@Visiblyblue Great question! A 444 Marlin or 45-70 Govt with Heavy hardcasts would be perfect as my primary gun, actually my 450 Bushmaster would be good too I just hate the slow rate of action it has being a Bolt action. But either or any way, I need a big long gun. As a sidearm, the 10mm is great and so is the .45, but neither is my preferred choice at this time for Alaska. I am looking into investing into something like a 44 mag or 480 Ruger with a 6" barrel. Either would be perfect for me. A 460 Rowland conversion, if reliable, would be good too and is something I plan on getting down the road aswell
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures those are very well thought out choices. Thank you! That's good to have your data based opinion when we're picking up some new woods guns
The 1911 with the hammer cocked and safety on is exactly the same as your hunting rifle with the a round in the chamber and safety on... You may also want to look up and test the .45 Super...
@@tomemida Would have to disagree... 1911s from the factory have a 4-6# trigger pull. All of my hunting rifles have a 1.5-4# pull... I was in LE for 30 years and carried a 1911 for 5 on duty and every day since 1976 off duty. More officers have had unintentional discharges with safety on the trigger striker fired guns than any DA or SA semis or revolvers combined...
Sometimes people get the notion of carrying a 1911 with the hammer back being the same as holstering a revolver with the hammer back. Which is a scary thought. However, they are different. While the trigger on many 1911s are pretty light, they have a manual safety as well as a grip safety. Taking this into consideration, they are actually safer than many other pistols. I can shoot a 1911 more accurately and with greater speed(probably those slender grips, light trigger, and weight of the pistol are helping) than a Glock 21. Though I'll give the Glock 21 credit for having greater capacity since those mags hold 13 rounds.
I had to put a 20lbs recoil spring in my 1911 for the buffalo bore, (as recommended by buffalo). After that it liked to stove pipe with the federal 230g ball ammo. But it's a great gun and the buff ammo runs good in it with that spring.. If its all you got, its all you got. better than a stick indeed.
I feel more comfortable with cocked and locked than with plastic trigger dingus safeties. Even better is DA/SA. Have you considered best ammo options for wild hog? Here near the Everglades, bear are the size of dogs, hogs the size of VW's.
The benefit of an all steel frame 1911 platform is the fact that the 45acp can be loaded to much higher pressures with 45 Super brass or going with wildcatting 308 small rifle primed brass and cutting down for 450 SMC - which 20yrs ago was called the 45-08. If you handload its easy to match and surpass the Buffalo Bore woodsman load. Handloading the 45acp to those pressures can be done safely with attention and upgrading to 45 Super with heavier recoil,mainspring,firing pin spring, as well as going with a flat bottom firing pin stop and a heavy duty extractor.Also using 45 Super and 45 +P rated Starline brass. I would only do this on a steel frame 1911 not polymer guns. If I backpack in non grizzly bear country, I take a Kahr CW45 ( polymer frame) as its super lightweight with 6 rd factory mag and if I want it can take stock 8 rd 1911 mags, I see no problem shooting the +P Buffalo Bore ammo in that gun, but dont shoot 45 Super loads in it. Still consider taking a look at the ease of reloading 45ACP (maybe the easiest of all cartridges to reload for) as it might save you a ton of money as well as making custom ammunition for your guns that would otherwise be unavailable
Just ran across your channel. Thanks for being scientific in your analyses. I have black bear around here, and I carry a 1911 45 with hardball in the woods for 'bear repellent'. I can make more hits faster via reloads than with a revolver. The 1911 is MADE to BE carried 'cocked and locked'. You have THREE safeties! Grip, Thumb and your brain... Frankly, you couldnt give me a plastic striker fired pistol! Compare the triggers between DA revolver, striker fired and a 1911. Clean and short like a SA revolver. Trigger pull is a major factor in accuracy. Jerry
I carried a 1911 cocked-and-locked as my EDC for 25 yrs. Never had cause to be nervous for the very reasons stated above. But, someone did give me a plastic striker fired pistol, a Springfield XD45 which I found to be lighter, and has a 13+1 capacity and is still lighter when fully loaded than my 1911 with 8+1. With 2 spare mags, I'm at 40 rounds on my person of .45ACP. Why carry that much? Why not? But, at the range, it is the 1911 that still puts a smile on my face when I shoot it. It hasn't been retired, and I recently rebuilt it as the springs were getting worn. The plastic fantastic just doesn't make me smile the same way, even though it is reliable and accurate enough. I guess you could say the 1911 has a soul?
@@latigomorgan Hi, Lat - Frankly you couldnt GIVE me one of those plastic matel toy guns! The main problems are light striker strikes, and a long trigger pull like a DA revolver. I REALLY like the short, crisp SA trigger on the 1911, Greatly aids in accuracy. (40 misses dont count...). Proper Maintenance Matters. For a full size 1911, you need to replace the main recoil spring ever 1,000 rounds, and the trigger and firing pin springs every 2,000. On a compact, every 500. Proper Lube, too. I like Jep, that kid does a GOOD job! Jerry
If you can find a heavy hardcast with truncated cone shape, they are less likely to veer off to one side. Plus the bullet is more likely to punch through bone instead of glancing off.
A good choice may well be a Underwood 135 grain extreme defender @~1300 fps. It is solid brass and is basically barrier blind which should do well on head shots of attacking bears.
My Ruger P345 has a decocker so once it's decocked it's safe to carry with one in the chamber. You just shoot double action without having to pull back the hammer first.
Consider testing the Winchester USA Ready in 230 grain FMJ flatpoint. In my testing it will penetrate 2 pieces of plywood and exited 6 water jugs. The flatpoint will do more damage, penetrate deeper, and keep a straighter line than a RN FMJ.
a Glock 21 with one in the chamber is in fact cocked and ready to negligently discharge. I have taken 3 deer over several decades with 45 acp. It seems to work fine. I think I was using 200 gr JHPs for all of them.
Bear charges you, takes hits, keeps charging until it's killed. Rangers tell you you should have used rubber bullets. That way, it will not stop coming until YOU are dead.
I wonder what brand of load he was using for his 230 grain .45 ACP bear attack. If it was Speer lawman 230 grain, it would be a bit on the hotter side. If it was federal American eagle, it would possibly be on the average end (from many of the tests I’ve seen). I carry a Glock 21 everyday and it’s hard to beat its firepower in such a lightweight package. I have a mix of loads I carry depending the time of year. In the summer, I carry Federal HST 230 grain .45 ACP, Winchester T-series 230 grain .45 ACP, and Speer Gold Dot 200 grain +P .45 ACP. It really depends where I am going. In the fall and winter, I carry Hornady critical duty 220 grain +P. With heavy clothing, it’s nice to not have a hollow point that won’t clog. I will carry standard 230 grain FMJ (in Winchester white box or Remington UMC) in my backup magazine. If I’m in the woods, I’ll carry either the critical duty 220 grain +P or standard 230 grain FMJ (again in Winchester white box or Remington UMC). I have yet to have to fire it on dangerous game, but I took a whitetail with Remington UMC 230 grain FMJ with ease. Hard-cast may be in my future, but I’ve found I haven’t needed them. I’ll be hiking in the smoky mountains in the fall and I have no doubt that (God Forbid I have to) it will take a black bear.
VERY nice video. Thank you for putting in the effort to get all the data you presented. I live in Ohio and most of my life we didn't have to worry about bears. There were NONE. However, over the past 10 years our State has gained a population of them and that has changed preparation for backpacking through forests. Just a couple points, in your analogy of horsepower versus torque, a lot of people don't know that horsepower is merely a calculation of power, where as torque is an actual measurement of force. And when it comes to carrying a cocked and locked 1911, if a person is used to doing what it takes and is an active person, the weight is a non-issue. Also, people have their own personal comfort levels of safety. The 1911 being cocked and locked, the safety is on so it can't fire, and if something were to happen to the safety to cause it to be bumped off (difficult to do while holstered) it STILL cannot fire because of the grip safety not being depressed. So it is safe to carry that way. Being a single action firearm, the military wanted to be sure it could be carried in the most ready-to-use form, yet still be safe for the soldiers. This was why they demanded the grip safety. The gun was not originally designed with it.
FNX45 Tactical is a double action single action autoloader with 15 round magazines. Regarding 1911s, they are safer to carry in condition one (cocked & locked) than a Glock or any other pistol without a manual safety, of which a 1911 has two.
A Glock has 3 safeties. It is ultimately impossible for a Glock to fire without the trigger being pulled. Holster discipline and trigger awareness is common sense, if you can’t manage a Glock than you probably shouldn’t own a firearm.
@@mikerobinson8734 people have much higher unintentional discharge rates with glocks than with 1911s. It is also easier to take a glock away from someone than a 1911 because a weaker four digit grip.
@tedpendagast579 a four digit grip is weaker than the five digit grip made possible with the 1911's thumb safety. Of course, this is possible with handguns without this safety if you fire the pistol and don't reset the trigger. Not likely to be a good solution.
I'd be very interested in seeing how a 357sig would do. I've been researching this gun and it's quite impressive. I have owned both 45 and 40 cal but from what I've read the 357sig has greater stopping power, higher velocity and higher muzzle energy then both the 40 and 45. The 357sig can produce 1475fps and muzzle energy up to 620. It's Impressive.
357 mag has use against critters because it can fire 180-200gr bullets. 357 mag is good for person defense with the 125gr bullets. 357 sig cannot use heavier slugs than a 9mm, and therefore is not as good as even a 40 or 45 for shooting claw critters.
Good points on the 45 auto. I disagree about carrying cocked and locked, it is very safe and how the pistol is designed, but unless you carry a double stack you are better off with a Glock. As far as the hairy man goes, I've never seen one but how can anyone discount the many thousands of people who have?
Thank you, and I appreciate your input! And that's one of the biggest reasons for why I started Idaho Bigfoot: people are seeing something, the question is what exactly is it? At the end of the day, its a fascinating phenomenon at the very least. Anyway, thanks for watching!
The 45 is my favorite caliber for semi-automatic handguns. However, the 357 magnum is my favorite caliber for all handguns. When I photograph in the wilderness, I cannot carry a rifle or shot gun for protection from black bears, feral hogs, or wild dogs because I am carrying photographic gear. Instead, I carry a handgun. Thus far, my personal favorite is a 6-inch 357 magnum Smith & Wesson revolver loaded with 180 grain 357 magnum HSM flat-nose hard-cast lead ammo. However, I have recently considered carrying my 6-inch 45acp Heckler & Koch semi-automatic loaded with one of the following 45acp ammo: 1. 255 grain Buffalo Bore hard-cast lead 2. 255 grain Double Tap hard-cast lead 3. 255 grain Underwood hard-cast lead 4. 240 grain Federal solid-core synthetic Thanks for your video. I found it very useful.
.45acp isn't the be all and end all of the 1911 format. Many people in Alaska carry .45 Super or .45 Rowland as bear protection from a handgun. I shoot .45 Super from my sr1911 , 185 gr. @ 1300 or 230 gr. @ 1100 suits me just fine and all that from a Plain Jane 1911 slightly modified (spring pressure and compensator) to fire the more powerful cartridge.
Hammer being cocked on 1911 is nerve racking? wha? Yet, with the Glock the striker firing pin is cocked and under spring tension isn't? The 1911 has a manual safety, grip safety and the hammer also has a half cock position that can catch the hammer, series 80 also has a firing pin block, seems like a lack of information and training than a valid concern.
1911’s are meant to be carried cocked and locked, and between the thumb safety, grip safety, and internal safeties, is safer for many than a Glock. If you’re afraid to carry a gun the way it is meant to be carried, carry something else. No trainers recommend carrying a 1911 with a hammer down on a live round.
regarding cast bullet weights... I have some molds that drop bullets that are several grains light or heavy depending on the lead mixture thats being used.o
I would like to see you test the Hornady Critical Duty .45 acp 220gr +p flex lock. See how their claims of “barrier blindness” hold up to your jugs testing for bear country. Thx
My nightstand gun is Glock 21 and my woods gun is G21 frame with LW 20L slide 10mm. I use 200 grain hard cast Underwood ammo @1500 fps. I just subscribe to your informative awesome channel,
How are you achieving 1500fps? Are you running a 9”barrel? No manufacturer makes a 200grn load at those velocities. Even a 6” barrel your looking at 1275-1300fps.
@@mikerobinson8734 you are right 200 grain hard cast is 1250. I meant to say 1500 feet per second on my 140 grain extreme penetrator. Sorry for the mix up.
Thank you, glad you liked it. To be completely honest we haven't had too switch them out ourselves since the stock spring on this A1FS ejects the rounds well. Depending on the gun you might need to change them or add a recoil buffer pad, It's hard to say.
G.K. USA. What about a double stack 45acp with 14 big ones in + p. I have one and it never fails to shoot in standard or plus p loadings. The pistol is a Para-ordnance P-14. I have magazines with base plates that increase the capacity to 15 or 16 rounds. Happiness is a pile of warm, spent brass.
if Roy had used a hardcast, or a fmj flat nosed bullet like the winchester USA ready 45acp but it's loaded to about 880fps and has a 230gr flat nose, but I'd rather have underwood 45acp+p 255gr hardcast
S&W M&P 45 Compact, Barrel length 3.3 in., ammunition: BB 255 gr., Hardcast, FLT Nose or Equivalent. I know I'm really pushing it w/ that barrel length. Right now that's all I have. Guess I should study for a woods carry sidearm.
Consider the .460 Rowland mod for your 1911 if contemplating using it for defence against large four-legged predators. The .460 is a unique name for a “souped-up” .45 ACP that retains the same bullet diameter loaded with increased powder charge in a lengthen case.
I have one now actually. Its okay in terms of feeding (were going to have to work on it a little) but the overall performance of the round is pretty good!
Hey youngster, I have carried the 1911 cocked and locked for 50 years, and it was in fact used in an encounter. The huge advantage of the 1911 over the Glock is the trigger. John Browning designed the C&L technique, and he is way smarter than you and me! It just takes some experience. Simply use a pancake style holster with a thumb break. Thanks again.
Jep, you say that you are not comfortable with the 1911 cocked and loaded, but do you carry the Glock with it cocked and loaded? The 1911 has an external safety of which helps keep it safe from negligent misfires when drawing the gun from the holster. The Glocks do not have such a feature and people tend to shot themselves in the leg when drawing the weapon. But both weapons are cocked and ready to rock, just that the 1911 has a lock on it and the Glocks do not. If you think that just because you do not see the hammer cocked back that that makes a striker fire pistol safer you are sadly mistaken. Basically, one either has a semi-auto pistol that is not cocked and not ready to rock [not good], cocked locked and ready to rock [good and safe], or cocked unlocked and ready to rock [good unsafe, so kind of not good]. And if anybody thinks that people shoot themselves with 1911 as much as they do with Glocks I challenge them to watch the plethora of UA-cam videos of people negligently shooting themselves and find me just one where some one shot themselves with a 1911. And at the same time keep count of how many of those videos were Glock related. So far I have not found one video where someone shot themselves negligently with a 1911, but they have mostly been Glock related. A few with revolvers when they were playing around with them and coking and uncocking them. Experts as well as cops, who all have lots of training, have shot themselves with Glocks on the draw and re-holstering. While with 1911s only when re-holstering if they had forgetting to set the safety. With revolvers only if they had cocked the hammer back and did not fire it and then forgot to un-cock it and re-holstered it. Which is better to shot oneself in the leg, because they do not want to have to switch off a safety, and then deal with a bear, or deal with the little time it takes to remember to switch off the safety and then deal with the bear? Or better yet just have a double action revolver (and de-spur the hammer so they can not cock it in the first place, yet it still shoots like a semi-auto by simply pulling the trigger each time they want it to fire) and draw and fire it without worrying about a safety or shooting themselves in the leg when drawing or re-holstering! The safety is your friend on a semi-auto, and Glocks are not friendly in that way at all. And double action revolvers are the friendliest as they are safe without a safety, and they are always ready to rock without being pre-cocked. Personally, I carry a 45 Colt fully loaded. The bullets are 250 grain solid copper, going at 1000 fps, with a TKO factor of 16 or a KPS value of 35.7, and it will take on animals upward of 1500 pounds or less. So I do not have to worry about flipping a safety off, nor do I have to worry about shooting my self in the leg when trying to fast draw it in a pinch. And I do not have to worry if I reset the safety either before re-holstering. The only worry with a double action revolver is re-holstering with the hammer cocked back, and if it does not have a spur then that worry is done away with for good. Also with revolver pistols people do not have to practice "TAP, RACK, and SLAP" like they have to with semi-auto pistols. This procedure takes time that when a bear is charging one may very well not have. And it takes both hands, of which a bear could be chewing on one by this time in the game. Revolvers are an ambidextrous one handed thing that never fail to feed or eject, and if a round does not go off just keep pulling the trigger. So the only real concern should be which double action revolver one would take to a bear fight? And keep in mind that black bears can be upwards of 600 pounds or so, and grizzlies 1000 or better. What ever one should choose (a semi-auto or revolver pistol), run the figures of the rounds through the two equations below to see just how big of game one could take down with them. Keep in mind that these two systems are considering a humane kill with a side shot through the lungs and heart of the animal and not a straight on charging scenario, so really the numbers need to be higher than rated below as far as what size animal the rounds will take down quickly. And always choose HARD CAST LEAD or SOLID COPPER/BRASS bullets only, as they penetrate the skulls easier as opposed to deflecting off them. 1) "Taylor Knock-Out Factor" ( n4lcd.com/calc/) [bullet weight in grains X speed in feet per second X diameter of the bullet in inches divided by 7,000 = ______ ] 2) "Killing Power Scale": [bullet weight in grains X speed in feet per second divided by 7,000 = ______ ] [Any killing power index system must have some baseline values that define minimums for the weight and/or type of game animals that might be hunted. After considerable deliberation and discussion, Chuck Hawks and Pacos Kelly settled on the following KPS baselines. Understand that these are ultimately judgment calls, so someone who has a different perspective might question particular baseline values. That said, They believe the baselines presented here to be reasonable, though not immutable.] Baseline KPS values: KPS 12.5 or greater: Class 2 game, 50 pounds to about 150 pounds (e.g., average size North American deer, pronghorn, feral hog) KPS 15 or greater: All Class 2 game, but especially those between about 150 and 300 pounds (e.g., very large whitetail deer and feral hogs, mule deer, caribou, black bear) KPS 30 or greater: Smaller Class 3 game, 300 to about 500 pounds (e.g., smaller elk, red stag, oryx, very large black bear) KPS 32 or greater: Class 3 game between about 500 and 1000 pounds (e.g., trophy elk, average moose, extremely large black bear) KPS 35 or greater: All Class 3 game, but especially those between about 1000 and 1500 pounds (e.g., very large moose, eland) [45 Colt 250 grain Extreme Penetrator @ 1000 = 35.7] KPS 68.5 or greater: Thin-skinned Class 4 game (e.g., leopard, lion, GRIZZLY BEAR) [45 Colt 250 grain Extreme Penetrator +P @ 1400 = 61.5 (close). As far as pistols this is a 45 Colt Ruger only load] KPS 88 or greater: Thick skinned dangerous game (e.g., Cape buffalo, rhino, elephant)
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Hi Jep, i just subbed your Idaho Bigfoot channel, when it comes to Bigfoot there are a minority of people jumping on the bandwagon, that are not credible, but I do know people and sites who are credible and I count you in this number and will look forward to viewing your videos to date. Sorry to mention this on your Outdoors channel as this is primarily sidearms, and to reiterate something I said to you over two years ago now, that I wish I had made the jump to The States in the late Eighties but these things happen .I am from UK (Wales) and still live here but did live in Spain and Ireland (Eire)for a short while about twentry years back. Anyway wishing you a Good day. Dave
Don't really understand the aversion to the 1911 "cocked and locked" carry, while suggesting the Glock as the alternative. The 1911 is a very safe firearm to carry in that condition, and frankly, should only be carried in that condition. Compared to the (no external safety) striker-fired offerings, where many people carry IWB pointed at their family planning unit, it doesn't make sense to me. All you do is grasp the grip safety, sweep the thumb safety off, and you then have a nice, crisp, accurate 1911 to fire. The weight is your friend while shooting heavy for caliber +p stuff. The 45 sized Glock is a piece of 2x4 to grip onto. If ammo capacity is a concern above 8 rounds, then go with a M&P M2.0 (S&W has optional 14 round mags for that), FNX45, or something else that isn't a block of wood to try to control. Back in the day, the 1873 Colt SAA with 5 or 6 shots of 1050 fps 255 cast bullets .45 Colt was enough to stop a horse....or a bear. The 255 grain .45acp+p isn't far off from that same system, but holds 8 rounds and all you have to do is pull the trigger again and again.
I load a lot of 45 acp and so I have tried a lot of loads. what I have settled on as an all around load is my cast and coated 200 grain SWC at right at 1050 fps. if this load will not do it then a 45 acp will not do it. are their commercial ++++P rounds with lighter slugs that are faster? yes but... I have 185 molds and the 200 is a way better alll around bullet for feeding and accuracy... The SWC bullet for 45 was originally a target bullet at low velocity but works great for high velocity my load shoots cloverleaf groups at 25 yards from a sandbag rest. So this is my round of choice for the 45 acp... Glock for tense work? naa.. the grip angle is wrong meaning if you have to point shoot you are screwed. Better to have a gun that points like your finger.. that would be a SAA 1873 or clone or the 1911 or any handgun with those grip angles.
Carrying a 1911 cooked and locked shouldn't be an issue 2 safeties have to be deactivated before it can be fired I'm not trying to argue just throwing it out there!
IF your placement is perfect, any large caliber will do... However you may only get one shot... your round has to easily penetrate the bears skul... onlt 357 or 44 mag can relyably do that... My choice would be a short light 44 mag carbine... mine in a Winchester model 94...weighs six pounds easy to carry..
Good job, you put together some awesome tests! Which 45 ACP Bear round did you discover to be the overall most effective? How does the Underwood 255 grain +P compared to the Bufallo Bore equivalent and the others?
I'm looking to test some Rowland rounds this year, it's gonna be great! i just wish a manufacturer would make a .460 Rowland firearm from the factory that's affordable.
Not to be picky, but isn't the .45acp referred to the pistol and not the cartridge? I think all reloading manuals refer to the cartridge as the .45 auto nor the .45acp. But, I could be wrong. The all-steel 1911 and .45 auto are still my favorite over any polymers.
I believe you are correct, I just find myself using the term .45 ACP more often than not 👍. And I agree, I like 1911's a lot more than the polymer pistols I've used. They just feel right. Thanks for watching and stopping by!
Those in Law Enforcement who needed to stop someone where they needed great penetration, choose the 357 Sig over the 45 ACP based on their experiences of using both in dangerous situations.
Thanks, I do love it. Unfortunately the building has no insulation and every winter snow piles up inside lol! I'm working on creating a new studio, but I still want to keep the same charm this one has
You wanna talk nerve wracking, try lowering the hammer of a 1911 with a live round in the chamber! Carrying cocked and locked is very safe, especially compared to carrying any Glock pattern gun with no safety at all. I know they have a little switch thing on the trigger, but that's equivalent to carrying a 1911 cocked and unlocked, and if it's a series 80 it still has two safeties to disengage (grip and trigger ) compared to the one that's deactivated simply by placing your finger on the trigger. I get it, that cocked hammer just looks dangerous, and in 30 years of carrying one, I've actually had people come up to me twice to tell me that I've accidentally cocked my sidearm. Consider all this and I think you'll become very comfortable with a cocked and locked 1911.
The Lee 255 grain slugs I've cast, shot and recovered haven't lost much if any weight. I'm surprised that a BB 255 hard cast only weighed 231 grains....
I wouldn’t plan to use a 45acp handgun as proper brown bear protection. Now if it was being fired from a carbine maybe but still not a top choice for me. However to each his own so have at it if you like.
One of these days I'm gonna test out some 45 Super ammo. From everything I've heard from my viewers, think you're in good hands carrying that caliber. Anyway, thank you for sharing and I hope you have a good rest of your week!
I lived in Alaska for 8 years/spent a LOT of time in the bush. "Bear Protection" and "handgun" (when applied to browns and grizzlies) shouldn't even be in the same sentence. I'd give you a reluctant "maybe" if you KNEW you'd only encounter black bears and insisted on carrying a pistol only. A favorite for AK bear protection is a 45-70 lever gun. FWIW, if you get surprised by a brown/grizzly bear attack, there is almost no chance you are going to get a pistol out of a holster in time to do anything.
Bear spray works sometimes sometimes just passes them off, dirt naps are the only sure way. 45 auto great cartridge for people, dear, or below, but for sure 45 lc ++ and up would be better, 44 mag, 357, 10 mm, 454. 460, 50mag better still and not hollow points, those spread and shock but don't penatrate. Which means more fragile targets, like people, won't be over penatrated, and will recieve greater damage, but large, tough, angry, hopped up on hormones ect. 45 acp will, with proper ammo, squeek by, average wild boor its good but for some domestic wild hybrids reaching 1/2 a ton, some thing bigger would still be better. Your carry fire arm is some thing you bet your life on so carry your best bet, and if your in a mixed target zone wolf and bear nothing says you can't double carry, a high capacity smaller and a lower capacity heavy. The best of both worlds.
With moose watch your distance. The fat round slows at distance. When it hits hide, meat and bone. Up close is good. Depends on your rounds also. 10 mm is thinner so you can actually be slightly more dominate. But a 45 acp will keep up. Great for defence limited at hunting. Bear spray 1st. But may not work well with a sow and cubs. Shot placement. I like 45 acp. Is good all around. Just know what your up against.
I would imagine the 45 ACP and 45 Colt are - more or less - pretty equal in performance, but I unfortunately do not have access to a 45 colt in order to do any testing, so I can't help much in this department. Sorry
Hello Jep You documented your past ammo tests in a very detailed way on what looks like typed and printed form. I know you spent a lot of money on the premium ammo you bought. Did you Do these tests as a research paper for school ? Glad to hear about your second channel, I too have an interest in the Bigfoot subject. Good luck to you and keep up the good work !!
Like pepper spray to ward off human attackers and small animals...bear spray has an expiration date. DO NOT DEPEND ON BEAR SPRAY AS BEING EFFECTIVE IF USED AFTER THE EXPIRATION DATE.
I thank you for the video. Some free advice. A person could carry an XD instead of Glock. P.s. Contact the manufacturer of Glock and Springfield arms and verify that the XD can handle a small amount of 45 Super /+ P ammo, instead of worrying about a Glock.
Hendershots I have created a ballistics file which contains over 3,500 entries, covering 35 handgun calibers and 25 rifle ones. I mention this to so I can 'rightly' discuss your comment about no handgun having the same power as rifles. Well, this state is a bit too broad, and in the long run, incorrect as well. This tells me that you have not really kept up with the development of handguns and their ammo. First let me list the handguns I am referring to: 1) .460 S&W (2005), 2) .500 S&W (2003), and 3) the .500 Bushwacker (2022). I have all three of these listed in my ballistics file. Here is the max power for manufactured ammo for each: 1) .46- S&W tops out at ~2,885 ft. lbs (Buffalo Bore and Grizzly). 2) .500 S&W tops out at 3,040 ft. lbs. (Buffalo Bore). 3) .500 Bushwacker tops out at 5,027. With regards to the Bushwacker, I could only find ammo made by the company that makes the gun, although there may be some other sources of ammo by now. So, now let's look at rifles. One of the best overall hunting rifle is the 30-06, with tops out at 3,246 (Buffalo Bore). We can step up the rifle power with the .444 Marlin which is around 3,343 (Underwood), and migrate to the 338 Win Mag up to 4.029 (Hornady Super Performance), and then go to the .378 Weatherby Mag which goes up to a very impressive 5,602 (Hendershots). So, while the 30-06 and the 444 Marlin just beat out the .460 S&W and the .500 S&W, the .500 Bushwacker competes in power with the very high end powerful rifles. Of course, there is more than just power, and all three of these revolvers have very noticeable kick, making the next shot more difficult than with a rifle. But if the rifle is a bolt or lever action, then they become less usable for subsequent shots also. So, I would caution you on toting rifles as the ultimate! By the way, my file is available to anyone who wants it, and it is free and is released as a PDF file, so it is completely safe and anyone can read, independent of their type of computer you have. The file is too big to use on a cell phone. To get my file, click on my name here, then click on 'About', and either email me or go to my website and find the file there, which you can then download and keep. Besides ballistics info on each round listed, I give the manufacturer, the box price, the price per round, the type of bullet, the ammo rating (when supplied by the retailer), and its availability, plus lots more.
Interesting, that must have been Ball ammo. I have found that one of the Ball rounds I've tested got stuck in the bone barrier, whereas the hardcasts all plowed right through and went on to penetrate another 20 inches or so
I appreciate you doing these videos on penetration. When it comes to large animal defense with handguns, penetration is all that's important. If the penetration is there, the bear will never know if the velocity was 200 fps faster or slower.
if you're not comfortable carrying a 1911 cocked & locked, a 1911 is not for you....
hiking in rough terrain is very different than flat concrete though. Terrain and situation need to be factored in
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures - I understand your perception that carrying cocked and locked in rough terrain could be a safety concern. However, the general consensus by 1911 experts is the grip safety and slide lock safeties are more robust than you are giving credit.
Carrying cocked and locked does take some mental adjustment to alter the Perception the pistol is more susceptible to unintentional discharge then a double action or single action striker fired weapons.
There are a huge number of 1911s out there and you just really don’t hear about unintentional discharges that didn’t involve someone’s hand being on the grip and finger on the trigger.
I went through the same emotional process myself. I in fact tried to see if I could get the hammer to drop by manipulating the trigger & tapping on an unloaded cocked and UNLOCKED pistol that didn’t have the grip safety activated. I could not get the pistol to drop the hammer without the pistol being in my hand and my finger on the trigger. This pistol is a colt 70 series that has about a 2.5 lb trigger pull.
A good holster with positive retention should take care of the concern over the pistol coming out of the holster accidentally from contacting terrain.
Again, if you’re not comfortable carrying condition one (cocked & locked) then don’t. But I would Choose a different firearm then carrying a 1911 with a hammer down on a round in the chamber (which i’m under the impression actually is dangerous in some 1911 pistols).
Again, I’m no expert. It’s ok if you don’t agree. But I don’t carry a pistol that’s not “service ready” as I’m concerned I may not have time to cock a hammer or rack a slide. But to each there own…. Thanks for all your videos. You have provided some very informative content 👍
1911 condition of readiness article:
www.usacarry.com/carrying-cocked-locked/
@@JepsOutdoorAdventuresI've carried a full sized Springfield 1911 on six 50 mile, one day hilkes in Yellowstone, south central Montana, and book cliffs, Utah.
Cocked and Locked is fine with with a Series 80 Colt style 1911 or when carried in a thumb break holster that is designed for cocked and locked carry, such as a El Paso Saddlery #2.
How about just carrying fnx tactical da/sa plus its high capacity
BTW,the 1911in 45acp was first tested prior to it’s adaptation by the US Army on live horses,mules,and cattle.The US Army still had a calvary at that time and shooting the enemy’s mount out from under them was very common.The weapon had to be capable of one shot drops on large animals as well as humans.It’s well known that the 1911 passed the testing trials with flying colors.
Yes Sir indeed!!!!
45ACP all the way !!!!
They were crucifying people? Or did you mean “cavalry?”😊
@@Olympic_TryAthlete He is tal King of cavalry for sure!!
There is a massive difference between just mass of the mammal and penetration
Grizzly and even black bear fat can be 3-8in thick, and then cranial plates can stock even .40 s&w rounds.
You can shoot the bear 10 times but if they're barely getting past the bone/fat, he'll be injured and really angry.
The cows were shot with about 5 rounds to drop them with side hits !
At 67 yrs old , I watch your channel all the time . Im using your time and money so i can find the best rounds for whatever use I’m looking for. Love you reviews , keep em coming. Thank you very much for all you do .
I'm happy to hear that, thank you. I'm glad I can help!
I e carried my 1911 .45 acp as my edc for 34 years. Excellent pistol and 1000% reliable
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Thanks for making this video. The .45 is likely an ideal round for carry in areas where the potentially dangerous animals are limited to the less than gigantic size such as black bear, mountain lion, and perhaps hogs. I've heard rumor that the more likely dangerous predator you can run into is other men. So, the .45 even in a solid non-expanding round would also work pretty well also as an anti-personnel round which has been proven through history.
It doesn't matter what gel test or other test show about what works best Since 1911 and even going back to 1873 the .45 has killed thousands of people in armed conflict and almost no one has griped about the .45 not being effective. That btw is with hard ball, not bonded hollow points.
There’s a surgeon in a bullet wound seminar who brought up a 45 acp not penetrating the sternum and stopping 1/2” from the heart. Rare case I’m sure but in a 45 I’ll take my ball ammo.
@@crawdadlando4053or just get Hornady Critical Duty.
I just discovered your channel and subscribed immediately. You have a mature, informed, no-nonsense presentation we older folks appreciate.
I do have to screech at you a bit, though. A 1911 is very safe to carry cocked and locked. That's how it was designed and is nothing to be nervous about. True, I'm an "older gentleman" who grew up on semi-autos with thumb safeties and that's my comfort zone, but re-holstering my striker-fired auto with no external hammer or tactile thumb safety
finally creeped me out enough to switch back to John Browning's invention for daily carry. It takes just a nanosecond to sweep the safety off during the draw.
To each his own, but the safeties on a 1911 are not a bad thing.
Thank you, I try lol! And thank you for the info, so far I've carried it cocked and locked while hunting and no problems at all. I agree with you: I like having a safety on my gun, it feels weird not having one now.
Thank you again, and I greatly appreciate your support!
We carried 1911 A1s in the Army. We loved them.
The 45 ACP is a very versatile caliber, especially in an auto loader. For hunting, I use Magnums, but for general carry, the 45 is easier to carry, conceal, shoot well, and is versatile enough to fill many rolls. Thanks for the video.
I agree, it's really grown on me. And thank you!
This is a huge selling point in its favor over the 9mm. I wish more people would consider this when debating which of the two is better.
It’s for that reason I ditched the 10mm in favor of the 45. Versatility. I love 10mm but it is not ideal for concealed carry or personal protection outside the woods. More power than necessary, more recoil and blast. The 45 is a great round for both woods and the hoods, I load my Glock 21 with 45 super 255 grn Hardcast in the woods and switch to hollow points for a low pressure, subsonic easy to control self defense cartridge with proven man stopping power.
Not to picky, but I believe all reloading manuals refer to the cartridge as the .45 auto not the .45 acp. .45 acp obviously referring to the pistol. Although, I could be wrong on that.
@@mikerobinson8734Yes. For the mountains I always have a revolver. But, I would feel safe with my 1911. The .45 auto cartridge is excellent for soft targets, intended for a big hole, lots of damage and shock. I prefer the .45 auto over most calibers for two legged self defense. Although, the .38 Special is another great option. I can fit the .38 +p LCRx in my pocket with ease and no print. But I love the sound of that big .45 auto and recoil is minimal out of an all-steel 1911.
A 1911 is safest carried cocked and locked(hammer back and thumb safety on). In this condition it is safer than a Glock because of on a 1911 you put the safety back on before reholstering. It is dangerous to carry a 1911 with a round in the chamber and putting the hammer down on a live round let alone pulling the hammer back before shooting unless you are in a Hollywood movie. Anyway,good video. Very informative on 45ACP for the trail. Just what I was looking for, and you are right about Glock like guns(including M&P and Sig and such), lighter weight, more rounds, simple, durable, reliable. If you have a 1911 though, make sure its a good one and you’ll be just fine.
I've been carrying the 1911, that was used in the video, alot during this hunting season cocked and locked and so far so good! Thanks for watching
If your not carrying a 1911 in the cocked n locked position then its obvious you are untrained and uninformed about the 1911 manual of arms. Oh and it's also obvious that you sit down to piss
Spot on
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures (3:28 no handgun) - my handgun is chambered in .308 14.5 inch barrel. I just happened to put a brace on it! 😂
Very informative video. The 45acp is my favorite pistol caliber. It is a proven caliber and in my opinion the best cartridge ever made.
The .45 /230 ball rounds from a 1911 was the best car door and windshield rounds that we tested. The other rounds were .357 Magnums (all weights from 110 grain to 180 grains) and did not equal the .45ACP, but rather shed their jackets, especially when fired at different angles through the wind shield.
Interesting, thank you for sharing!
Yeah, after a hunting experience where a white tail shot with a .308 played possum and jumped up just as we approached and it took four .45s (JHPs) to finish him. Then we took a vehicle defense shoot course. Same basic results you reported, so I now load my mags with alternating HST & RN to cover all defensive bases. Strictly ball for hikes in woods / hunting backup.
I agree that's interesting not sure I would have expected that with the 45 ACP! Anyway I appreciate you doing these tests man they're all very interesting and I enjoy watching them, thanks, take care!!
.45acp is great, but I recently converted my Glock 21 to .45 Super! Super is greater speed which pushes the .45 cal with better penetration! Really maximizes the .45 potential! I highly recommend it if you choose .45, covert your pistol to super or if it’s born capable load .45 Super and with hard cast 255 grain! 1000 -1100 fps is better than 950 in my opinion…..
I'm looking into trying the .45 Super, seems like a great round! Thanks for the recommendation 👍
I've been thinking about this for some time. I carry 255gr Underwood which are extremely accurate for me in my Glock and Colt. 147gr Underwood in my Glock 9mm. When out in the timber. Even though I try to always have a long gun. Unless not wanting to draw attention.
I read your comment about 45 super. I have a Taurus pt845 in 45acp +p I don't think they make any more. I reload starline 45super brass, gt bullets 255gr hard cast wide mouth deep hp at cronygraphed speed of952 fps,also 250 gr xtp same. Ai don't get around our foothills and mountains much any more being disabled but not.helpless. bears not far from me .if fishing in bear area I would load 255gr 22 brinel hardness factor of 22 975 fps. Or take my Taurus tracker 44mag loaded with 265 or 280 hardcast of the same hardness at 1000-1050 fps.i load the super with the old triton ammunition company's 450smc load data. i think underwood still sells this round.the brass I s stronger than the 45super brass. it's a cut down 308winchester that use small rifle primers. I have thought about calling underwood to see if they would sell me just the 450smc brass. papa wishing you well 😊
Should've got the 10mm drop in conversion barrel
Pssh 45 super just get the 460 rowland . Jk man im a big fan of 45 super
I like my revolvers but there's something special about the 1911 and the 45ACP. Thank you for putting this video together and sharing. Recently I've been considering the 45 Super within a 1911 platform for woods carry. I have a video request, all about the 45 Super with testing. Thanks for your time.
Very good information. Thinking of a 1911 with 45 super springs in it. I hear 460 Roland might be much for a steel 1911. In fact makes sense to use a heavy polymer gun because it will flex with the power. Just what I’ve heard on another video
This is true unless you get the Rowland V2 recoil damper. It will help absorb the recoil. I had my 6.3” long slide Dan Wesson converted to .460 Rowland. With the weight of the long slide you do not need a comp. If I had a regular slide I would just go super. You only need to swap out a few parts to do so and no ugly comp is required.
1911 have way more internal safeties and actually have an external safety for cocked and locked. Way safer than a glock. More ammo is the only upside to glock. 10mm is definitely a better choice but those are nice stats I’ve never heard.
Good job. I’m glad to see you referencing TKO factor over muzzle energy. A .357 with 110 grain bullets will have plenty of muzzle energy, but that’s not going to help much on a tough critter. Definitely no FMJ RN’s they might penetrate well, but they just don’t do much damage along the way. I actually prefer a revolver loaded with heavy wide-nosed cast bullets that wouldn’t necessarily feed through an auto.
I absolutely love them.
Cocked and Locked is fine with with a Series 80 Colt style 1911 or when carried in a thumb break holster that is designed for cocked and locked carry, such as a El Paso Saddlery #2.
Hey jep good Job man. Yes 45acp is perfect choice for some one to carry in the outdoors is their better yes . But has 45acp have must history of bring a stopper yes. With moder day bullet hard to beat. Even Hogan reloading maual had cool articles on 45acp useing all copper bullets.
I told a friend who was a .45 ACP every day carrier (like me,) that although I loved the round, I felt it was a little light for Bear and that I'd loan him a .44 Magnum for his Alaska trips. He did not take me up on the offer. Two years later, on a trip to Alaska, a Brown Bear charged him and his buddy while loading their winter fish onto a boat and my friend turned and fired 8 rounds with the only weapon that they had in reach , his Full Sized Series '70 .45 ACP loaded with Cor Bon +P 200 grain JHP's killing the bear as it turned broadside at the distance of a few feet.
They accused me of not knowing what the "Bleep" I was talking about, and I guess in this instance they were correct.
Wow, that's quite the experience! I'm glad it worked for him. As much as I love the .45, taking it too Alaska wouldn't make me too comfortable but I guess he just reinforced my case here lol
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures based on all your testing , what would be your preferred caliber/bullet and gun for the big Alaska bears?
@@Visiblyblue Great question! A 444 Marlin or 45-70 Govt with Heavy hardcasts would be perfect as my primary gun, actually my 450 Bushmaster would be good too I just hate the slow rate of action it has being a Bolt action. But either or any way, I need a big long gun.
As a sidearm, the 10mm is great and so is the .45, but neither is my preferred choice at this time for Alaska. I am looking into investing into something like a 44 mag or 480 Ruger with a 6" barrel. Either would be perfect for me. A 460 Rowland conversion, if reliable, would be good too and is something I plan on getting down the road aswell
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures those are very well thought out choices. Thank you! That's good to have your data based opinion when we're picking up some new woods guns
@@Visiblyblue no problem, glad I could help!
The 1911 with the hammer cocked and safety on is exactly the same as your hunting rifle with the a round in the chamber and safety on... You may also want to look up and test the .45 Super...
I know, but I hear that's almost taboo. I decided to go on the safe side with my comments. And the 45 Super and 460 Rowland are high on my list.
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures also double tap makes 450smc which is the same or a bit more powerful than the 45 super
@@tomemida Would have to disagree... 1911s from the factory have a 4-6# trigger pull. All of my hunting rifles have a 1.5-4# pull... I was in LE for 30 years and carried a 1911 for 5 on duty and every day since 1976 off duty. More officers have had unintentional discharges with safety on the trigger striker fired guns than any DA or SA semis or revolvers combined...
Sometimes people get the notion of carrying a 1911 with the hammer back being the same as holstering a revolver with the hammer back. Which is a scary thought. However, they are different. While the trigger on many 1911s are pretty light, they have a manual safety as well as a grip safety. Taking this into consideration, they are actually safer than many other pistols. I can shoot a 1911 more accurately and with greater speed(probably those slender grips, light trigger, and weight of the pistol are helping) than a Glock 21. Though I'll give the Glock 21 credit for having greater capacity since those mags hold 13 rounds.
Oi from Orygun! I'm a fan of the 45 Super, Outdoorsman. (255 Grain projectile.) Great Big Foot medicine!! I use the H&K USP 45 pistol.
I had to put a 20lbs recoil spring in my 1911 for the buffalo bore, (as recommended by buffalo). After that it liked to stove pipe with the federal 230g ball ammo. But it's a great gun and the buff ammo runs good in it with that spring.. If its all you got, its all you got. better than a stick indeed.
I feel more comfortable with cocked and locked than with plastic trigger dingus safeties. Even better is DA/SA. Have you considered best ammo options for wild hog? Here near the Everglades, bear are the size of dogs, hogs the size of VW's.
The benefit of an all steel frame 1911 platform is the fact that the 45acp can be loaded to much higher pressures with 45 Super brass or going with wildcatting 308 small rifle primed brass and cutting down for 450 SMC - which 20yrs ago was called the 45-08. If you handload its easy to match and surpass the Buffalo Bore woodsman load. Handloading the 45acp to those pressures can be done safely with attention and upgrading to 45 Super with heavier recoil,mainspring,firing pin spring, as well as going with a flat bottom firing pin stop and a heavy duty extractor.Also using 45 Super and 45 +P rated Starline brass. I would only do this on a steel frame 1911 not polymer guns. If I backpack in non grizzly bear country, I take a Kahr CW45 ( polymer frame) as its super lightweight with 6 rd factory mag and if I want it can take stock 8 rd 1911 mags, I see no problem shooting the +P Buffalo Bore ammo in that gun, but dont shoot 45 Super loads in it. Still consider taking a look at the ease of reloading 45ACP (maybe the easiest of all cartridges to reload for) as it might save you a ton of money as well as making custom ammunition for your guns that would otherwise be unavailable
Please continue your tests, very informative. Could you also please test the 450 SMC by DoubleTap? The hardcast 255 grain ammo should be very capable!
Just ran across your channel. Thanks for being scientific in your analyses. I have black bear around here, and I carry a 1911 45 with hardball in the woods for 'bear repellent'. I can make more hits faster via reloads than with a revolver. The 1911 is MADE to BE carried 'cocked and locked'. You have THREE safeties! Grip, Thumb and your brain... Frankly, you couldnt give me a plastic striker fired pistol! Compare the triggers between DA revolver, striker fired and a 1911. Clean and short like a SA revolver. Trigger pull is a major factor in accuracy. Jerry
I carried a 1911 cocked-and-locked as my EDC for 25 yrs. Never had cause to be nervous for the very reasons stated above. But, someone did give me a plastic striker fired pistol, a Springfield XD45 which I found to be lighter, and has a 13+1 capacity and is still lighter when fully loaded than my 1911 with 8+1. With 2 spare mags, I'm at 40 rounds on my person of .45ACP. Why carry that much? Why not?
But, at the range, it is the 1911 that still puts a smile on my face when I shoot it. It hasn't been retired, and I recently rebuilt it as the springs were getting worn. The plastic fantastic just doesn't make me smile the same way, even though it is reliable and accurate enough. I guess you could say the 1911 has a soul?
@@latigomorgan Hi, Lat - Frankly you couldnt GIVE me one of those plastic matel toy guns! The main problems are light striker strikes, and a long trigger pull like a DA revolver. I REALLY like the short, crisp SA trigger on the 1911, Greatly aids in accuracy. (40 misses dont count...). Proper Maintenance Matters. For a full size 1911, you need to replace the main recoil spring ever 1,000 rounds, and the trigger and firing pin springs every 2,000. On a compact, every 500. Proper Lube, too. I like Jep, that kid does a GOOD job! Jerry
If you can find a heavy hardcast with truncated cone shape, they are less likely to veer off to one side. Plus the bullet is more likely to punch through bone instead of glancing off.
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I'm glad to hear that, thank you!
A good choice may well be a Underwood 135 grain extreme defender @~1300 fps. It is solid brass and is basically barrier blind which should do well on head shots of attacking bears.
My Ruger P345 has a decocker so once it's decocked it's safe to carry with one in the chamber. You just shoot double action without having to pull back the hammer first.
Exactly why I love my Sig 220.
S&W 4500 series also has a decocker and is safe to carry with one in the chamber
Seen plenty of old horses dropped with a headshot from a 1911 in .45acp. Headshots but a horse has a thick skull also
Consider testing the Winchester USA Ready in 230 grain FMJ flatpoint. In my testing it will penetrate 2 pieces of plywood and exited 6 water jugs. The flatpoint will do more damage, penetrate deeper, and keep a straighter line than a RN FMJ.
Valuable information!! Great data and great job.
Thank you kindly, I'm glad to hear that!
a Glock 21 with one in the chamber is in fact cocked and ready to negligently discharge. I have taken 3 deer over several decades with 45 acp. It seems to work fine. I think I was using 200 gr JHPs for all of them.
Deer and smaller mammals are a huge difference
@@richhauxwell7848 I've shot 2 black bear with 357 mag revolver 6 inch. 1 went about 50 yard with double lung hit the other went about 2 steps.
Bear charges you, takes hits, keeps charging until it's killed. Rangers tell you you should have used rubber bullets. That way, it will not stop coming until YOU are dead.
I would highly recommend if you like 45ACP get a 460 Rowland conversion then you can fire 460 Rowland , 45 SWC , 45 super , then of course the 45 ACP.
CZ 97 .45 or my Glock G40 10mm are my choices. Practice‼️, bullet placement matters most.
I wonder what brand of load he was using for his 230 grain .45 ACP bear attack. If it was Speer lawman 230 grain, it would be a bit on the hotter side. If it was federal American eagle, it would possibly be on the average end (from many of the tests I’ve seen). I carry a Glock 21 everyday and it’s hard to beat its firepower in such a lightweight package. I have a mix of loads I carry depending the time of year. In the summer, I carry Federal HST 230 grain .45 ACP, Winchester T-series 230 grain .45 ACP, and Speer Gold Dot 200 grain +P .45 ACP. It really depends where I am going. In the fall and winter, I carry Hornady critical duty 220 grain +P. With heavy clothing, it’s nice to not have a hollow point that won’t clog. I will carry standard 230 grain FMJ (in Winchester white box or Remington UMC) in my backup magazine. If I’m in the woods, I’ll carry either the critical duty 220 grain +P or standard 230 grain FMJ (again in Winchester white box or Remington UMC). I have yet to have to fire it on dangerous game, but I took a whitetail with Remington UMC 230 grain FMJ with ease. Hard-cast may be in my future, but I’ve found I haven’t needed them. I’ll be hiking in the smoky mountains in the fall and I have no doubt that (God Forbid I have to) it will take a black bear.
VERY nice video. Thank you for putting in the effort to get all the data you presented. I live in Ohio and most of my life we didn't have to worry about bears. There were NONE. However, over the past 10 years our State has gained a population of them and that has changed preparation for backpacking through forests.
Just a couple points, in your analogy of horsepower versus torque, a lot of people don't know that horsepower is merely a calculation of power, where as torque is an actual measurement of force. And when it comes to carrying a cocked and locked 1911, if a person is used to doing what it takes and is an active person, the weight is a non-issue. Also, people have their own personal comfort levels of safety. The 1911 being cocked and locked, the safety is on so it can't fire, and if something were to happen to the safety to cause it to be bumped off (difficult to do while holstered) it STILL cannot fire because of the grip safety not being depressed. So it is safe to carry that way. Being a single action firearm, the military wanted to be sure it could be carried in the most ready-to-use form, yet still be safe for the soldiers. This was why they demanded the grip safety. The gun was not originally designed with it.
FNX45 Tactical is a double action single action autoloader with 15 round magazines. Regarding 1911s, they are safer to carry in condition one (cocked & locked) than a Glock or any other pistol without a manual safety, of which a 1911 has two.
A Glock has 3 safeties. It is ultimately impossible for a Glock to fire without the trigger being pulled.
Holster discipline and trigger awareness is common sense, if you can’t manage a Glock than you probably shouldn’t own a firearm.
@@mikerobinson8734 people have much higher unintentional discharge rates with glocks than with 1911s. It is also easier to take a glock away from someone than a 1911 because a weaker four digit grip.
@@richardthomas6602 weaker four digit grip
What kind of crazy crap are you inventing
@tedpendagast579 a four digit grip is weaker than the five digit grip made possible with the 1911's thumb safety. Of course, this is possible with handguns without this safety if you fire the pistol and don't reset the trigger. Not likely to be a good solution.
@@richardthomas6602 what are you going on about??
What does a thumb safety have to do with holding the firearm??
I'd be very interested in seeing how a 357sig would do. I've been researching this gun and it's quite impressive. I have owned both 45 and 40 cal but from what I've read the 357sig has greater stopping power, higher velocity and higher muzzle energy then both the 40 and 45. The 357sig can produce 1475fps and muzzle energy up to 620. It's Impressive.
I'm thinking about getting a conversion for it, but I'm kinda leaning towards getting a 460 Rowland... decisions, decisions.
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures I hear you there. ✌️
357 mag has use against critters because it can fire 180-200gr bullets.
357 mag is good for person defense with the 125gr bullets.
357 sig cannot use heavier slugs than a 9mm, and therefore is not as good as even a 40 or 45 for shooting claw critters.
Jeps, you should do a 45 super
Stopping power 🤣
Good points on the 45 auto. I disagree about carrying cocked and locked, it is very safe and how the pistol is designed, but unless you carry a double stack you are better off with a Glock. As far as the hairy man goes, I've never seen one but how can anyone discount the many thousands of people who have?
Thank you, and I appreciate your input! And that's one of the biggest reasons for why I started Idaho Bigfoot: people are seeing something, the question is what exactly is it? At the end of the day, its a fascinating phenomenon at the very least.
Anyway, thanks for watching!
A simple barrel change . .41 caliber AE ,180 to 200 grain hard cast bullets.
The 45 is my favorite caliber for semi-automatic handguns. However, the 357 magnum is my favorite caliber for all handguns.
When I photograph in the wilderness, I cannot carry a rifle or shot gun for protection from black bears, feral hogs, or wild dogs because I am carrying photographic gear. Instead, I carry a handgun. Thus far, my personal favorite is a 6-inch 357 magnum Smith & Wesson revolver loaded with 180 grain 357 magnum HSM flat-nose hard-cast lead ammo.
However, I have recently considered carrying my 6-inch 45acp Heckler & Koch semi-automatic loaded with one of the following 45acp ammo:
1. 255 grain Buffalo Bore hard-cast lead
2. 255 grain Double Tap hard-cast lead
3. 255 grain Underwood hard-cast lead
4. 240 grain Federal solid-core synthetic
Thanks for your video. I found it very useful.
I am considering the same
A fine choice for that purpose.
45 acp 1911 has won 2 world wars cant say that about any other gun it was good enough for anything outside the USA
45 acp won 2 world wars?))) Are you kidding?))))))
.45acp isn't the be all and end all of the 1911 format.
Many people in Alaska carry .45 Super or .45 Rowland as bear protection from a handgun.
I shoot .45 Super from my sr1911 , 185 gr. @ 1300 or 230 gr. @ 1100 suits me just fine and all that from a Plain Jane 1911 slightly modified (spring pressure and compensator)
to fire the more powerful cartridge.
If u like the 45 check out the 45 super and 450 smc rounds ,
Hammer being cocked on 1911 is nerve racking? wha? Yet, with the Glock the striker firing pin is cocked and under spring tension isn't? The 1911 has a manual safety, grip safety and the hammer also has a half cock position that can catch the hammer, series 80 also has a firing pin block, seems like a lack of information and training than a valid concern.
For some. I've been carrying the 1911 for 3 months now cocked and locked, no issues 👍
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures carry on 👍
1911’s are meant to be carried cocked and locked, and between the thumb safety, grip safety, and internal safeties, is safer for many than a Glock. If you’re afraid to carry a gun the way it is meant to be carried, carry something else. No trainers recommend carrying a 1911 with a hammer down on a live round.
regarding cast bullet weights... I have some molds that drop bullets that are several grains light or heavy depending on the lead mixture thats being used.o
I would like to see you test the Hornady Critical Duty .45 acp 220gr +p flex lock. See how their claims of “barrier blindness” hold up to your jugs testing for bear country. Thx
I'll look into that, thank you for the suggestion!
My nightstand gun is Glock 21 and my woods gun is G21 frame with LW 20L slide 10mm. I use 200 grain hard cast Underwood ammo @1500 fps. I just subscribe to your informative awesome channel,
How are you achieving 1500fps? Are you running a 9”barrel?
No manufacturer makes a 200grn load at those velocities. Even a 6” barrel your looking at 1275-1300fps.
@@mikerobinson8734 you are right 200 grain hard cast is 1250. I meant to say 1500 feet per second on my 140 grain extreme penetrator. Sorry for the mix up.
@@Anthony74te27 right on my man!
Should the recoil springs be upgraded when using these higher power loadings? Thanks for the great video
Thank you, glad you liked it. To be completely honest we haven't had too switch them out ourselves since the stock spring on this A1FS ejects the rounds well. Depending on the gun you might need to change them or add a recoil buffer pad, It's hard to say.
.45 caliber head shot… it’s going down!
G.K. USA. What about a double stack 45acp with 14 big ones in + p. I have one and it never fails to shoot in standard or plus p loadings. The pistol is a Para-ordnance P-14. I have magazines with base plates that increase the capacity to 15 or 16 rounds. Happiness is a pile of warm, spent brass.
if Roy had used a hardcast, or a fmj flat nosed bullet like the winchester USA ready 45acp but it's loaded to about 880fps and has a 230gr flat nose, but I'd rather have underwood 45acp+p 255gr hardcast
S&W M&P 45 Compact, Barrel length 3.3 in., ammunition: BB 255 gr., Hardcast, FLT Nose or Equivalent. I know I'm really pushing it w/ that barrel length. Right now that's all I have. Guess I should study for a woods carry sidearm.
Consider the .460 Rowland mod for your 1911 if contemplating using it for defence against large four-legged predators. The .460 is a unique name for a “souped-up” .45 ACP that retains the same bullet diameter loaded with increased powder charge in a lengthen case.
I have one now actually. Its okay in terms of feeding (were going to have to work on it a little) but the overall performance of the round is pretty good!
very nicely done study...thank you
Hey youngster, I have carried the 1911 cocked and locked for 50 years, and it was in fact used in an encounter. The huge advantage of the 1911 over the Glock is the trigger. John Browning designed the C&L technique, and he is way smarter than you and me! It just takes some experience. Simply use a pancake style holster with a thumb break. Thanks again.
Need to test the Underwood 255gr hardcast, they usually shoot at fps indicated by mfg.
Just did 👍ua-cam.com/video/5hYPjv3Fda4/v-deo.html
Jep,
you say that you are not comfortable with the 1911 cocked and loaded, but do you carry the Glock with it cocked and loaded?
The 1911 has an external safety of which helps keep it safe from negligent misfires when drawing the gun from the holster. The Glocks do not have such a feature and people tend to shot themselves in the leg when drawing the weapon. But both weapons are cocked and ready to rock, just that the 1911 has a lock on it and the Glocks do not.
If you think that just because you do not see the hammer cocked back that that makes a striker fire pistol safer you are sadly mistaken. Basically, one either has a semi-auto pistol that is not cocked and not ready to rock [not good], cocked locked and ready to rock [good and safe], or cocked unlocked and ready to rock [good unsafe, so kind of not good].
And if anybody thinks that people shoot themselves with 1911 as much as they do with Glocks I challenge them to watch the plethora of UA-cam videos of people negligently shooting themselves and find me just one where some one shot themselves with a 1911. And at the same time keep count of how many of those videos were Glock related. So far I have not found one video where someone shot themselves negligently with a 1911, but they have mostly been Glock related. A few with revolvers when they were playing around with them and coking and uncocking them.
Experts as well as cops, who all have lots of training, have shot themselves with Glocks on the draw and re-holstering. While with 1911s only when re-holstering if they had forgetting to set the safety. With revolvers only if they had cocked the hammer back and did not fire it and then forgot to un-cock it and re-holstered it.
Which is better to shot oneself in the leg, because they do not want to have to switch off a safety, and then deal with a bear, or deal with the little time it takes to remember to switch off the safety and then deal with the bear? Or better yet just have a double action revolver (and de-spur the hammer so they can not cock it in the first place, yet it still shoots like a semi-auto by simply pulling the trigger each time they want it to fire) and draw and fire it without worrying about a safety or shooting themselves in the leg when drawing or re-holstering!
The safety is your friend on a semi-auto, and Glocks are not friendly in that way at all. And double action revolvers are the friendliest as they are safe without a safety, and they are always ready to rock without being pre-cocked.
Personally, I carry a 45 Colt fully loaded. The bullets are 250 grain solid copper, going at 1000 fps, with a TKO factor of 16 or a KPS value of 35.7, and it will take on animals upward of 1500 pounds or less. So I do not have to worry about flipping a safety off, nor do I have to worry about shooting my self in the leg when trying to fast draw it in a pinch. And I do not have to worry if I reset the safety either before re-holstering. The only worry with a double action revolver is re-holstering with the hammer cocked back, and if it does not have a spur then that worry is done away with for good.
Also with revolver pistols people do not have to practice "TAP, RACK, and SLAP" like they have to with semi-auto pistols. This procedure takes time that when a bear is charging one may very well not have. And it takes both hands, of which a bear could be chewing on one by this time in the game. Revolvers are an ambidextrous one handed thing that never fail to feed or eject, and if a round does not go off just keep pulling the trigger.
So the only real concern should be which double action revolver one would take to a bear fight? And keep in mind that black bears can be upwards of 600 pounds or so, and grizzlies 1000 or better.
What ever one should choose (a semi-auto or revolver pistol), run the figures of the rounds through the two equations below to see just how big of game one could take down with them. Keep in mind that these two systems are considering a humane kill with a side shot through the lungs and heart of the animal and not a straight on charging scenario, so really the numbers need to be higher than rated below as far as what size animal the rounds will take down quickly. And always choose HARD CAST LEAD or SOLID COPPER/BRASS bullets only, as they penetrate the skulls easier as opposed to deflecting off them.
1) "Taylor Knock-Out Factor" ( n4lcd.com/calc/)
[bullet weight in grains X speed in feet per second X diameter of the bullet in inches divided by 7,000 = ______ ]
2) "Killing Power Scale":
[bullet weight in grains X speed in feet per second divided by 7,000 = ______ ]
[Any killing power index system must have some baseline values that define minimums for the weight and/or type of game animals that might be hunted. After considerable deliberation and discussion, Chuck Hawks and Pacos Kelly settled on the following KPS baselines. Understand that these are ultimately judgment calls, so someone who has a different perspective might question particular baseline values. That said, They believe the baselines presented here to be reasonable, though not immutable.]
Baseline KPS values:
KPS 12.5 or greater: Class 2 game, 50 pounds to about 150 pounds (e.g., average size North American deer, pronghorn, feral hog)
KPS 15 or greater: All Class 2 game, but especially those between about 150 and 300 pounds (e.g., very large whitetail deer and feral hogs, mule deer, caribou, black bear)
KPS 30 or greater: Smaller Class 3 game, 300 to about 500 pounds (e.g., smaller elk, red stag, oryx, very large black bear)
KPS 32 or greater: Class 3 game between about 500 and 1000 pounds (e.g., trophy elk, average moose, extremely large black bear)
KPS 35 or greater: All Class 3 game, but especially those between about 1000 and 1500 pounds (e.g., very large moose, eland)
[45 Colt 250 grain Extreme Penetrator @ 1000 = 35.7]
KPS 68.5 or greater: Thin-skinned Class 4 game (e.g., leopard, lion, GRIZZLY BEAR)
[45 Colt 250 grain Extreme Penetrator +P @ 1400 = 61.5 (close). As far as pistols this is a 45 Colt Ruger only load]
KPS 88 or greater: Thick skinned dangerous game (e.g., Cape buffalo, rhino, elephant)
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Hi Jep, i just subbed your Idaho Bigfoot channel, when it comes to Bigfoot there are a minority of people jumping on the bandwagon, that are not credible, but I do know people and sites who are credible and I count you in this number and will look forward to viewing your videos to date. Sorry to mention this on your Outdoors channel as this is primarily sidearms, and to reiterate something I said to you over two years ago now, that I wish I had made the jump to The States in the late Eighties but these things happen .I am from UK (Wales) and still live here but did live in Spain and Ireland (Eire)for a short while about twentry years back. Anyway wishing you a Good day. Dave
@@DavidLee-yu7yz that's awesome, thank you! Hope you're doing well 👍
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures I am good thanks 🙂
But sir with all due respect. What about zombie bear defense in the apocalypse? 😂
@@jason_m_schmidt622 never look them in the eye. Best thing you can do is buy them lunch, maybe Popeyes or something
Don't really understand the aversion to the 1911 "cocked and locked" carry, while suggesting the Glock as the alternative. The 1911 is a very safe firearm to carry in that condition, and frankly, should only be carried in that condition. Compared to the (no external safety) striker-fired offerings, where many people carry IWB pointed at their family planning unit, it doesn't make sense to me. All you do is grasp the grip safety, sweep the thumb safety off, and you then have a nice, crisp, accurate 1911 to fire. The weight is your friend while shooting heavy for caliber +p stuff. The 45 sized Glock is a piece of 2x4 to grip onto. If ammo capacity is a concern above 8 rounds, then go with a M&P M2.0 (S&W has optional 14 round mags for that), FNX45, or something else that isn't a block of wood to try to control.
Back in the day, the 1873 Colt SAA with 5 or 6 shots of 1050 fps 255 cast bullets .45 Colt was enough to stop a horse....or a bear. The 255 grain .45acp+p isn't far off from that same system, but holds 8 rounds and all you have to do is pull the trigger again and again.
45 Super or 450 SMC and 255gr Hardcast for Bear
In Glock 21 for Alaska
Underwood makes a really great 45acp +p hardcast bear load too!
I was able to test it after this video. And I agree, its one of my favorites!
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures oh that is awesome! Haha
I load a lot of 45 acp and so I have tried a lot of loads. what I have settled on as an all around load is my cast and coated 200 grain SWC at right at 1050 fps. if this load will not do it then a 45 acp will not do it. are their commercial ++++P rounds with lighter slugs that are faster? yes but... I have 185 molds and the 200 is a way better alll around bullet for feeding and accuracy... The SWC bullet for 45 was originally a target bullet at low velocity but works great for high velocity my load shoots cloverleaf groups at 25 yards from a sandbag rest. So this is my round of choice for the 45 acp... Glock for tense work? naa.. the grip angle is wrong meaning if you have to point shoot you are screwed. Better to have a gun that points like your finger.. that would be a SAA 1873 or clone or the 1911 or any handgun with those grip angles.
Not my first choice but if it's all you have its better than a stick. I carry a 454 and 10mm in bear country while hiking
One of my heroes is John Moses Browning.
Cocked and locked is the safest way to carry a 1911.Case closed.
Carrying a 1911 cooked and locked shouldn't be an issue 2 safeties have to be deactivated before it can be fired I'm not trying to argue just throwing it out there!
IF your placement is perfect, any large caliber will do... However you may only get one shot... your round has to easily penetrate the bears skul... onlt 357 or 44 mag can relyably do that... My choice would be a short light 44 mag carbine... mine in a Winchester model 94...weighs six pounds easy to carry..
Good job, you put together some awesome tests!
Which 45 ACP Bear round did you discover to be the overall most effective?
How does the Underwood 255 grain +P compared to the Bufallo Bore equivalent and the others?
Glock 21 with 460Rowland conversion. Gets the ol .45 up to 44mag energy
I'm looking to test some Rowland rounds this year, it's gonna be great! i just wish a manufacturer would make a .460 Rowland firearm from the factory that's affordable.
HIPOINTS 1095TS 10MM Carbine would be an idea gun and reasonably priced. Underwood 200 and 220gr 10mm hard cast.
You forgot to add a link for your Big Foot discussion channel.
Oops. Thank you for letting me know, I'll add it 👍
And here it is if you're interested: youtube.com/@idahobigfootyoutubechannel
Not to be picky, but isn't the .45acp referred to the pistol and not the cartridge? I think all reloading manuals refer to the cartridge as the .45 auto nor the .45acp. But, I could be wrong. The all-steel 1911 and .45 auto are still my favorite over any polymers.
I believe you are correct, I just find myself using the term .45 ACP more often than not 👍. And I agree, I like 1911's a lot more than the polymer pistols I've used. They just feel right.
Thanks for watching and stopping by!
Those in Law Enforcement who needed to stop someone where they needed great penetration, choose the 357 Sig over the 45 ACP based on their experiences of using both in dangerous situations.
I'm in the process of testing the 357 Sig and can see why
Your recording shack is getting fancy , Im jealous .
Thanks, I do love it. Unfortunately the building has no insulation and every winter snow piles up inside lol! I'm working on creating a new studio, but I still want to keep the same charm this one has
You wanna talk nerve wracking, try lowering the hammer of a 1911 with a live round in the chamber! Carrying cocked and locked is very safe, especially compared to carrying any Glock pattern gun with no safety at all. I know they have a little switch thing on the trigger, but that's equivalent to carrying a 1911 cocked and unlocked, and if it's a series 80 it still has two safeties to disengage (grip and trigger ) compared to the one that's deactivated simply by placing your finger on the trigger. I get it, that cocked hammer just looks dangerous, and in 30 years of carrying one, I've actually had people come up to me twice to tell me that I've accidentally cocked my sidearm. Consider all this and I think you'll become very comfortable with a cocked and locked 1911.
I don't know how you could feel uncomfortable with a cocked and locked 1911 but comfortable with what is basically a cocked and unlocked Glock.
I'm comfortable with it and carried it all last year as my sidearm while hunting without problems 👍
The Lee 255 grain slugs I've cast, shot and recovered haven't lost much if any weight. I'm surprised that a BB 255 hard cast only weighed 231 grains....
I wouldn’t plan to use a 45acp handgun as proper brown bear protection. Now if it was being fired from a carbine maybe but still not a top choice for me. However to each his own so have at it if you like.
Where can you find the Hard Cast ammo that you have reviewed? I live in Boise and the gun shops don’t carry Hard Case loads.
I use a sig P220 in 45 ACP but have it loaded with 45 Super with hard caste double taps when in bear country.
One of these days I'm gonna test out some 45 Super ammo. From everything I've heard from my viewers, think you're in good hands carrying that caliber. Anyway, thank you for sharing and I hope you have a good rest of your week!
454 casual is my pick for Bear county!
I lived in Alaska for 8 years/spent a LOT of time in the bush. "Bear Protection" and "handgun" (when applied to browns and grizzlies) shouldn't even be in the same sentence. I'd give you a reluctant "maybe" if you KNEW you'd only encounter black bears and insisted on carrying a pistol only. A favorite for AK bear protection is a 45-70 lever gun. FWIW, if you get surprised by a brown/grizzly bear attack, there is almost no chance you are going to get a pistol out of a holster in time to do anything.
Long guns are always better performance-wise, no doubt. Thank you for stopping by and sharing!
WHERE DID YOU GET 50 ROUND BOXES OF BUFFALO BORE FROM?
From Buffalo Bore themselves, if I'm not mistaken. I think they have changed the way they package their ammo and only ship 20 round boxes too now
Bear spray works sometimes sometimes just passes them off, dirt naps are the only sure way. 45 auto great cartridge for people, dear, or below, but for sure 45 lc ++ and up would be better, 44 mag, 357, 10 mm, 454. 460, 50mag better still and not hollow points, those spread and shock but don't penatrate. Which means more fragile targets, like people, won't be over penatrated, and will recieve greater damage, but large, tough, angry, hopped up on hormones ect. 45 acp will, with proper ammo, squeek by, average wild boor its good but for some domestic wild hybrids reaching 1/2 a ton, some thing bigger would still be better. Your carry fire arm is some thing you bet your life on so carry your best bet, and if your in a mixed target zone wolf and bear nothing says you can't double carry, a high capacity smaller and a lower capacity heavy. The best of both worlds.
Completely agree, thanks for watching!
45 Super in Alaska with 250/255gr for bear protection
With moose watch your distance. The fat round slows at distance. When it hits hide, meat and bone. Up close is good. Depends on your rounds also. 10 mm is thinner so you can actually be slightly more dominate. But a 45 acp will keep up. Great for defence limited at hunting. Bear spray 1st. But may not work well with a sow and cubs. Shot placement. I like 45 acp. Is good all around. Just know what your up against.
How about 45long colt ? For bear? Buffalo bore?
I would imagine the 45 ACP and 45 Colt are - more or less - pretty equal in performance, but I unfortunately do not have access to a 45 colt in order to do any testing, so I can't help much in this department. Sorry
Hello Jep
You documented your past ammo tests in a very detailed way on what looks like typed and printed form. I know you spent a lot of money on the premium ammo you bought. Did you
Do these tests as a research paper for school ? Glad to hear about your second channel, I too have an interest in the Bigfoot subject. Good luck to you and keep up the good work !!
Thank you! Yes, somewhat. I also plan on writing a book with all the results in a few years so it works out.
Like pepper spray to ward off human attackers and small animals...bear spray has an expiration date. DO NOT DEPEND ON BEAR SPRAY AS BEING EFFECTIVE IF USED AFTER THE EXPIRATION DATE.
That's good to remember
I thank you for the video.
Some free advice. A person could carry an XD instead of Glock.
P.s. Contact the manufacturer of Glock and Springfield arms and verify that the XD can handle a small amount of 45 Super /+ P ammo, instead of worrying about a Glock.
I did contact them and they can handle 45 plus P ammunition .
There are other 45 options. Like the Springfield XD 45 or the S&W 45. Me personally, I don't like the Glocks.
Hendershots I have created a ballistics file which contains over 3,500 entries, covering 35 handgun calibers and 25 rifle ones. I mention this to so I can 'rightly' discuss your comment about no handgun having the same power as rifles. Well, this state is a bit too broad, and in the long run, incorrect as well. This tells me that you have not really kept up with the development of handguns and their ammo. First let me list the handguns I am referring to: 1) .460 S&W (2005), 2) .500 S&W (2003), and 3) the .500 Bushwacker (2022). I have all three of these listed in my ballistics file. Here is the max power for manufactured ammo for each: 1) .46- S&W tops out at ~2,885 ft. lbs (Buffalo Bore and Grizzly). 2) .500 S&W tops out at 3,040 ft. lbs. (Buffalo Bore). 3) .500 Bushwacker tops out at 5,027. With regards to the Bushwacker, I could only find ammo made by the company that makes the gun, although there may be some other sources of ammo by now.
So, now let's look at rifles. One of the best overall hunting rifle is the 30-06, with tops out at 3,246 (Buffalo Bore). We can step up the rifle power with the .444 Marlin which is around 3,343 (Underwood), and migrate to the 338 Win Mag up to 4.029 (Hornady Super Performance), and then go to the .378 Weatherby Mag which goes up to a very impressive 5,602 (Hendershots). So, while the 30-06 and the 444 Marlin just beat out the .460 S&W and the .500 S&W, the .500 Bushwacker competes in power with the very high end powerful rifles. Of course, there is more than just power, and all three of these revolvers have very noticeable kick, making the next shot more difficult than with a rifle. But if the rifle is a bolt or lever action, then they become less usable for subsequent shots also. So, I would caution you on toting rifles as the ultimate!
By the way, my file is available to anyone who wants it, and it is free and is released as a PDF file, so it is completely safe and anyone can read, independent of their type of computer you have. The file is too big to use on a cell phone. To get my file, click on my name here, then click on 'About', and either email me or go to my website and find the file there, which you can then download and keep. Besides ballistics info on each round listed, I give the manufacturer, the box price, the price per round, the type of bullet, the ammo rating (when supplied by the retailer), and its availability, plus lots more.
12 guage slug, and 00 flight control buck are still what i trust.
Which cal do you prefer 45 or 40 for dangerous game 800 lbs or less?
45 honestly. Both are great though
In Ak, Army pilots tried 45acp headshots, slid off skull.
Interesting, that must have been Ball ammo. I have found that one of the Ball rounds I've tested got stuck in the bone barrier, whereas the hardcasts all plowed right through and went on to penetrate another 20 inches or so
I appreciate you doing these videos on penetration. When it comes to large animal defense with handguns, penetration is all that's important. If the penetration is there, the bear will never know if the velocity was 200 fps faster or slower.