PA 3x Micro Prism, Better Than an ACOG?
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Today we're looking at the Primary Arms 3x prism scope.
And how it compares with other options on the market including the venerable acog
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It's time Brass Facts was held accountable for preaching mandatory magnification. Just the other day I took my Aimpoint equipped rifle to the range and two goons with Brass Facts patches on their PCs approached me. After slapping my rifle out of my hand and and dumping a beer on me they yelled "THIS IS MAGNI-COUNTRY" and fled. I was literally shaking.
Good, you keep that aimpoint out of MANGI country.
Nova is shaking her head at you rn.
Ruffians!
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Based and glass pilled
@@louispaull6657 that diopter keeps you clearly woke!
It would be cool if they shoved this tiny prism and their 1x tiny prism into a rotating body and made a cheap version of the Elcan 1-4.
yes please!
Wolf something or another makes a russian one but it doesn't work 🤷
@@Mills141 You're probably referring to the NPZ PO 1/4x. I have one, and the switching works fine, but image and eyebox is noticeably inferior to Elcan on either magnification, and illumination is horrible quality while eating batteries for breakfast. And they made it FFP on top of that, which means that the reticle is too small on 1x and too large on 4x.
I've always loved the elcan but it's just way too chonky and expensive. I bought the 3x slx and love it. Give primary arms a couple more years at the rate they are going they'll have something similar in quality for less than half the price.
Magnification for that little weight is pretty impressive
Good review.
thank you polymer man
Why is your name familiar
@@talltale9760 I'm not sure difficult-to-believe story man
It would be really great if they could get them out to the people that pre paid.
I got mine 2 days after I pre-paid. You should reach out to them if you still haven't gotten yours from the first lot.
How i feel about the Digitrigger 2.2 lol
I thought I was the only one that was still waiting for my "April shipment".
@@Devin_Milford im waiting too same with 2 other friends :(
@@OneLocalStudent I have. I was told that people who placed order after a certain date would have to wait longer. I placed my order two months earlier than the date stated. You would think I was waiting on a silencer or something.
WE GET IT
You have a drone
You are one of my motivators for hiking and training with my rifle. I look up to you dude, keep it up 👍
I see so many YT influencers running these PA micro prism optics (1x and 3x) as if they were red dots, mounting them so far forward on the upper receiver that there's no way in hell they're within the range of eye relief. Always makes me scratch my head. Glad to see someone actually running the optic as it's intended to be used
The 1x works really far forward tbh
eye relief on them isnt that small as u think
Have the 1x, can confirm the eye relief is bonkers. Very forgiving eyebox on it.
I've had this on my AR for about 5 range sessions and each trip im falling more and more in love with it, especially as a dude working with one rifle that i like to keep pretty light, the capability it gives me for the weight is phenomenal. It pretty much does everything I ask of it at all close to midrange scenarios without to much fuss or complexity.
Sitting right in front of the TV as a kid to “see more” vs on the couch. I felt that. Great stuff.
Great review man! Your content is steadily becoming my favorite to view, whether it’s gear related or your survival videos.
I currently rock a 1x slx with a holosun 3x magnifier on one of my builds.
Excellently worded, as always.
Thanks for taking me along.
If the reticle is as small as shown in the video view through the optic, the "horse shoe" seems VERY necessary. Unless that doesn't accurately represent real life, it seems to me the chevron would VERY easily get lost in the clutter without the horse shoe drawing in the eye for quick shooting up close. Am waiting for FDE version....
I’ve got the last version and for me the horseshoe is a non issue and I would definitely want it if I had to shoot fast close up
I got the 1x version and it is pretty big and makes sense for CQB but doesn't make much sense on 3x imo
It would seem that way, but in practice it's actually very easy to pick up for fast shots, I'm much quicker with this than a regular red dot. When taking precise shots you can slow down and easily see the reticle and markings for distance. I thought it was going to lose it too with the 1X model. Once I got it and ran it on both 2 AR Pistols in 556 and 9mm I immediately bought the 9mm version so I had the correct reticle. They are great and I am now a PA optics fan boy. I still watch the reviews of them to make sure, but I'm now I'm deciding between the 1- 6 LPVO FFP or just running this 3X on my lightweight training AR15.
@@charliebrownsd I'm also a PA FB. Got their 1-6 LPVO FFP on my 16" 6.5 Grendel. Like it, but, realistically, I don't need its capabilities. For 95% of my shooting, I'm thinking the 3x MicroPrism will fit the bill. Keep it lightweight, keep it simple.
@@sixfivearms8896 my thoughts also
That just looked like a ton of fun man! Just picked up the Cyclops ACSS 1X Gen 2 and I like it a lot; It's used on a .300.
The horse shoe is supremely helpful for CQB. The author misses that completely. This scope has a perfect balance between CQB and mid range capability.
I got one in 7.62x39 and 300 Blackout! In the woods and mountains of East Tennessee, your sighting distance isn't very far, unless you're hunting in a Powerlines clearing or in open fields. Heck Bigfoot could walk right by you here, and you'd never see him! Now I have to figure out what to use it on my Q Honey Badger or Sig 556r...
Shut up! Western mountains bro, there is nothing else!
How does it compare to a 3x acog? TA33 or Ta50
A 3x scope is never good for CQB
@@ninjadave1970I’m debating that for my 300blk. I got a red dot for it thinking of it as a brush gun but often find myself wanting a little magnification. Torn between adding a 3x magnifier or something like this for simplicity
I’ve actually been looking at this prism pretty hard lately. Great content, love your videos man, you’ve been doing more videos and getting better and better. Keep up the great work! 🤘🏼😎🤘🏼
You won't regret picking it up, this has quickly become my favorite optic , I even like it more then ACOG!
Good stuff again. I got the vortex micro prism when it first came out and you are correct that it needs a different mount. If I have BUIS attached I can't get it far enough back. It just comes with low and high. a rearward sweep is needed like you said. That and push button vs rotary knobs is another negative against it.
It's weird how an optic can have a huge fov in feet, both be 3x magnification, and one 'feels' like a much bigger more immersive fov. That I belive is called APOV (apparent fov). Is is a premium optic eyepiece design and why elcans, acogs, and hensoldts cost double or triple. These are light because they have less lenses in the eyepiece specifically and can use a much smaller prism because of this. It's also why primary arm 1-8 and similar cost optics have good fov numbers but in use feel way harder to use after using premium lpvo
I run the 1x version of this with their 3x micro magnifier that combo has been great for everything I need from my “mock 18” build. Thanks for these reviews. I really enjoy your reviews and survival tips.
thanks man!
@@rjnoj-xb5kq no you don’t have to adjust the 1x every time. Once you get it dialed in it is good to go. It does take a few minutes to get them both dialed in but nothing too bad. Adjust the focus on both the magnifier and the prism till you get the the right picture.
@@rjnoj-xb5kq yes the eye relief is is reduced but not in not in a big way. I can still shoot with my eye 12 inches away from the magnifier. It’s not as good as the relief with the prism alone
This is exactly what I was waiting for. Thank you for reviewing this micro prism
your welcome
Glad I found this channel!
Great video & insights.
Thank you for your expertise
thanks for the comment!
Excellent review. Informative and thorough
Subscribed 👍
Drone captured shooting montage, glitch effect transitions, synth wave soundtrack 🤌🏻 badass
The British SUSAT was pretty agricultural in design but had *very* forgiving eye relief. They eye box on the Eclans we now use us laughably small - but the glass is incrediblely clear when teeing up targets. That and no range adjustment knob really takes it to another world. A world of eye-to-glass if you want to see owt 😁
Love how much higher quality the footage is on this vid
Your button up in the beginning actually blends in with that rocky surrounding really well.
This thing is a little tank, I left it out in the field, in the rain and snow for a month or so and when I came back for it, it still functioned w no problems whatsoever . For this reason alone I’d definitely compare it favorably to a kind of baby’s first ACOG but w better eye relief, none of the cringe factor, and you don’t have to take out a second mortgage to get your hands on one. Very impressed with Primary Arms and I’ll probably pick up another one in future, this time in FDE.
Cringe factor? Ok poor.
New Sub here, I just picked up this optic but for the 7.62x39/300 blackout. I love the horse shoe for close in for me that is immediately the "dot". The optic does not require batteries so unlike a red dot if your battery dies this does not matter. I am very impressed with this optic because 3x is a bit much in houses but I think does well in the 25 yard to 300 yard range. For my environment and my situation this does very well for what I need.
I haven’t tried the PA version but I have been using the 3x vortex and really like it. The size of these things is pretty incredible for what they can do.
Red dot size with 3x magnification is pretty epic. A top pic rail for an rds would be even better but probably wouldn’t work well with nods
Did you ever get to try the pa micro? If so how would you say it compares to the vortex? Trying to decide between the two
@@ozarkman291did you decide on one yet?
@@thenamesPRINDLE I ended up getting the primary arms 3x and the 2x since the reticles seemed to be bolder and faster at speed than the vortex 3x. Also the bdc in the PA ones seemed like they were a lot simpler to use with my caliber. I prefer the footprint and mounting options of the vortex but mini acog mounts can still be found for not too much from eurooptic. I may pick up a vector 3x or more likely a 4x since they're affordable and the OEM for vortex prisms which is very interesting.
I can't really say if I prefer the 2x or 3x though. I feel like about 200/250 and in the 2x is better and it certainly is faster up close. Past 250 the 3x is better for targets beyond 300 or so I'd prefer more magnification personally. For short to mid range I'm loving both though. Glass on the 2x is better but the reticle on the 3x is better. I feel like the 2x is kind of a red dot and magnifier alternative and the 3x is more of poorcog. I liked both enough to give up my lpvo (PST) and go fully to prisms. The weight savings and consistent sight picture with ffp reticle that stays good the whole way is awesome. If I want higher mag I'll likely just go to mpvo or higher honestly but that's beyond the scope of a gpr setup in my opinion.
Anyway apologies for the blog post response but in too many words that's where I'm at now
Have one on my SA M-5 (556 AK) before shooting the first time I was concerned about cqb , but my fears were quickly put to rest this optic is amazing for close-medium range engagements and is a blast to shoot! the shake awake feature , the etched acss raptor reticle, man , This has quickly become my favorite optic , and yeah I like it more then ACOG! Is damn sure alot cheaper too lol
Great review and great rimworld music
I have a 3.5x compact prism and it's excellent. So yeah, I'm a fan of the small low power prism scopes
good review. honest real world. other real world is i have had 2 versions on pre/back order since beginning of February from P/A. crazy
oof
Br ass Facts at it again. Good review, and I really do like my TA31F. Does PA make one the can still utilize the iron sights if mounted on a carry handle?
I really enjoy the review and it's depth and honesty.
thanks man! I try.
@@BrassFacts This video got me to thinking that putting this optic on a brush gun, like my Ruger American Ranch chambered in 350Legend, might have a lot of utility. Small form factor, light weight, and that big horseshoe pops your eyes right to the target and in a brush gun application, that is 100% what I want. The round's limitation in range (200 yards or less)make 3x just about perfect. Does the eye relief lend itself well to a traditional rifle vs the AR platform with collapsable stock?
I love what PA and Vortex are doing with the Micro 3x and Spitfire Gen 2 ... They are really driving down the price of prismatic optics while offering amazing weight and a reticle that lends itself to excellent sub 100 yard use... The fact the PA and Vortex have been making quality Prisms for 10 to 15 years gives me piece of mind that these products are here too stay... I plan on buying one of each the PA and Vortex for 2 of my fighting rifles ...
seems like this is a match made in heaven for my BCM mid length lightweight barrel 16” upper that i keep around as a “backup” rifle
Excellent video, thanks.
I appreciate your quality and vid setup
I enjoyed and was edified by this review even though I chose another PA prism (GLx 2x) for the same role. Thanks again for the good vibes:-)
just asked him about it lol how do ya like it?
@@cannabiskiisdead5360 First I'd have to disclose that I am an old guy that shot for 30 years with out any optics and only embraced even red dots on fighting weapons in 2016. I am a prepper and tinkerer much more than a shooter. This is also my first magnified optic on a fighting gun. It is on an 11.5" AR cheek pistol. I consider it a 150 yard gun that I sometimes stretch to 200 yards. Finally, I am left eye dominant, right handed, and shoot 'long' guns left handed. That said, to my eye, it has a clear and sharp image to the edges, it has a very forgiving eye box, and it only takes a few hours to get the hang of using such an odd magnification. Since it is a cheek pistol, I allow it to recoil straight back from the front contact point of my cheek being about 1" back on the buffer tube to almost where the left side protruding only charging handle is. I consider all of that 3" or so of travel inside the eye box. The reticle stays on the target as shooing this way even with the heavy (165 & 300gr) bullets I use causes very little muzzle rise. Oh, and jeez I forgot to say the the chevron is tiny and my old eyes can only resolve it clearly about 50% of the time depending on when I take my meds. I really just wanted a no astigmatism problem slightly magnified red dot and this is one. Sorry if this is too much non-optic related info.
I went with the Burris RT-3 on my WWSDish rifle, because of lack of availability of the PA option, and ended up at 6lbs even with optic and that’s with an aluminum 15” handguard and gunner profile barrel. It really makes a difference on a lightweight build. I’ll probably replace the Burris with the PA if I can find the PA in stock because I like the ACSS chevron over the horseshoe dot of the RT-3.
I got one after seeing this review, very happy with it so far (in store pickup). I was on the fence between this and getting another PA GLX 2x prism (have one on an AK). Compared to that, this one has comparable glass quality but a tighter eye box (but what doesn't?). That said, it's a better eye box than any other optic I have in this price range at 3x. The reticle is pretty nice in it. It's not at all crowded and seems about the right size for a 3x. The only complaint I have is that the stadia and wind holds aren't illuminated. They disappear against darker targets as you'd expect. Biggest take away I have from it is that it's a truly tiny optic that doesn't seem to sacrifice anything to achieve the small size. The FoV, eye relief, eye box and optical quality are all pretty good at any price point, nevermind $320. FYI, my crappy scale shows it at 8.4 Oz with the standard AR height cantilever mount. That's just stupid imho. It doesn't seem possible.
I recommend this over the Vortex Spitfire HD Gen 2 and Sig Bravo 3. I have both of those, so this is first hand experience. The GLX 2x is kind of a red dot/prism hybrid thing, so this doesn't compete directly. I think they are of similar quality though, maybe a slight edge to the SLX Micro 3x simply due to how awful the battery cover is on the GLX.
you got one after you saw the review?
Oh man haha
The people that preorder in feb and still don't have it won't be happy to hear that.
@@BrassFacts Heh, I went to the physical PA store here in Houston. They had a few open box/returns available. Most weren't any good (broken diopter, bad illumination) but one had a tiny spot dark spot that only appears in the very top of the horseshoe when at max brightness and looking at a white wall with a weapon light pointed at it. I grabbed that one.
In non-fake conditions I can't see said spot and it doesn't hurt anything even when visible. I was told they have a small batch coming in soon to take care of returns but wasn't told anything about them coming off of back order yet.
Bad ass intro scene with the drone footage!
Thank you very much for the information amazing video
Really want to pickup one of these as I love the form factor, just wish they came with a few different reticle options like trijicon
One of your best reviews so far in my opinion
thanks! If you don't mind me asking. What about made this on standout?
@@BrassFacts that mustache
Bro this was a fantastic video!
Been thinkin' bout picking one of these up.
Awesome video and love seeing so many great UA-cam creators based out of Utah. Any recommendations on good areas open to the public to shoot? Think I'll have to get this prism sight for my new Aero Precision build or Daniel Defense, thanks.
just look up BLM land. It's basically all good to go unless otherwise stated.
The Rimworld music was such a good choice for this. Perfect mood.
Idk if you've had any experience with it but I'm a fan of Swampfox Optics' Prism scopes. Run one on my CQC .300 build
Seems like an overall good choice for what I’m buying it for kinda putting together a “truck gun” not something I’d actually just leave in a vehicle like some people but something I’ll take with me on long trips
I have the last gen 3x PA on my rig. Thinking about getting this to replace it just to save weight.
Holy shit dude, up to 20k already? Thats awesome, congrats.
yeah growing quite a bit.
Great review
Undefeated intros
I bought the 1x and just using it as a reddot for the Scorpion Micro. This has some of the clearest glass I have ever seen. Regular red dots bloom really bad for me, this was crisp and clean as good be.
yeah sounds like you have pretty bad astigmatism
that round just chilling on his back 2:03
Awesome camera work
I'm pretty sure this was the set up I was going for when I installed my red dot and 3x magnifier. Live and learn
Great video and content.
Excellent stuff.
Came for review., left with a vibe.
Nice.
I'm mounting this on an AR-10 with an offset Mini Relex.
The weight savings was a huge determining factor versus a LVPO.
Very capable optics for size, weight, and most importantly - price. Coming from Trijicon, I was surprised to see how clear the glass was and how bright the reticle gets. The mount left a little to be desired so I upgraded to ADM ACOG mini mounts, which are around $70. I'd be very interested to see what PA can do with a 5x microprism.
I have the regular size PA 3x prism on my 300blk AR. Ive been wanting a new scope on my 5.56 so I just got this PA 3x microprism, since they do not have a 5x mircoprism yet. I know they have the 5x prism, but Ive really been wanting to try a microprism.
The new prisms PA is making are freaking awesome. I wouldn't own anything else regardless of price! I really like the 1x on a shorty DD 556.
The not-pointing-a-gun-out-the-window scope mounting kit - chef's kiss.
Dude I thought that’s what he was doing 😂
I've got this sight with a green reticle in my future. BTW, your rifle is set up great, especially with the Magpul Fixed Carbine Stock. That is THE only carbine stock I use, now.
Awesome video. Subscribed
I use one on my AR10.
I wasn't expecting much for the night vision performance, but it surprised me. First magnified optic I've used that felt useable with a PVS14 on my head. My elcan OS4x doesn't work very well for me with night vision, and my acogs... Well the tritium causes a problem.
The weight is why I bought it, as I was trying to get a fully featured AR10 down into AR15 weight, and it gets me there.
If they went to a fatter chevron, no horseshoe, and with brighter illumination, I'd consider it perfect for what it's trying to do. It's pretty close as it is.
You mean thinner chevron?
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 The chevron is already extremely thin, if anything it could be significantly fatter.
@@skyhop really? Brass facts and Hop (the guys shooting in this video) apparently prefer a thinner reticle because the chevron kept hiding the targets between 50-200 yards. For its intended use, shooting human sized target (and not metal poppers at distance) this reticle size seems to work well. But it’s interesting you would prefer it thicker. Different folks, different strokes.
I have a ACSS CQB red dot and the BDC is unusable without the magnifier behind it, because it’s so small at 1x. I wish the reticle was larger and the chevron thicker, like on a ACSS Vulcan seems to be.
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 Once you use an acog with a straight up triangle reticle, it's hard to argue with the effectiveness. So what if it covers the target, irons do half the time too, you can work around it. If you want a benchrest optic then you'd be better off with a crosshair.
What ammo do you use and how does the bdc work?
Can’t beat the ACSS Reticle, and the PA optics are tank tough.
Excellent review
thanks!
Love that, almost Airwolf music. 👍🏻
Not a bad choice for a get home truck AR pistol! Nice review!
I have a spare mini acog mount laying around… I just might pick one of these up.
With an FoV of 24’ @ 100m, a 2.7” eye relief and a 10oz weight, the Vortex 5x is a real gem because you get a lot more magnification with no down sides. Hop wasn’t a fan but I think it hits a lot of sweet spots with a with a piggyback back 509t.
How did you piggyback a 509t? It’s cut for venom/viper
I bought an adapter and it was expensive(ish). $60 I think. And it the screws they sent didn’t fit, but I had extras from an RMR, and that worked.
Nice video thanks for the review.
Im thinking about putting this on my shtf 10.5 with and offset red dot. Good idea / bad idea? I Think having a lightweight rifle that can be transported easily and still practical in suburban and rural areas is the niche i would like to fill.
I think this optic begs to used in isolation to really maximize it's niche. As soon as the word "offset" comes into play, I'd get a RDS+Mag or a lightweight lpvo, or a ACOG+ RDS
But yes it could work if you really jive with it
I want one but i just bought a ta44 so i think ima stick with this for a while until i feel like a new optic then i’ll switch ti this 3x
I dont know why I’m barley seeing your page? Great content
I feel like this would be a solid optic on some sort of pcc or pdw and think that is the other strong suit due to its small size adding a little magnification.
Came for the always excellent review, stayed for the doggo.
Primary Arms has come out with absolutely best value optics!
I actually got to the point that I actually kinda prefer the close eye relief. Also, you can get 3 inches of eye relief with the acog and be fine despite what it says on paper
I have astigmatism even with glasses, my red dots are starred. I like the idea of PA's micro prism 1X.
I am an ACOG fanboi but I believe these 3x prism optics have their place. I have a SIG MCX Rattler that I use a Vortex 3x prism on. I wanted the Primary Arms one but it wasn't in stock. Might make the switch once I build a 10.5 AR.
I've been debating with myself to get the 1x or 3x PA prism for my rattler. Isn't 3x a bit much for cqb?
@@Kop_in_the_Sky 3x is perfect.
I went ahead and ordered on for my 16" GPR
I dig the funky mount
I hope they are working on a micro 5x. Only reason I didn’t get their 5x prism is the size. Idk what the limiting factors are with scopes and size. We’ve had magnification for centuries and they’re just now finding out they can make them smaller??
My friend has the older 5x and the FOV is very tight. Hopefully these newer PA prisms improve in that aspect.
The difficultly is making them affordable, not the capabilities. Primary arms is targeting the $300-$400 range for their optics.
@@g.4279 yeah I don’t have much knowledge on scope physics and the market but I’d assume people wanting to spend a bit more will get an ACOG from trijicon
@@joshb5719 It expensive but if huge...literally huge eyebox is what you are after try a hensoldt 4x30 prism scope. 16 oz with built in quick detach mount. Massive FOV that is like 20% bigger than the ta31 acog. Eyebox is about eyepiece design not just exit pupil and it seems no one except zeiss wants to make a flexible eyebox. Some are OK. But ever S&Bs are tight sometimes. These still look cool because they are so light though
@@ryaniam22 I prefer LPVOs personally
Nice review ! Will it mount on a carry handle? Thanks.
Man I REALLY want to get one of these! I hope they make a tan version at some point, but that’s just me being picky. Might just buy a black one and paint it, or just buy a second one if they do end up making one in tan. I currently have their 503G ACSS paired with a Holosun HM3X magnifier. This seems like it would be a great replacement for that pair to save weight and space. Great content as always, much love from Texas!
They make tan spray paint...
If you dont paint your guns then perish
Thanks BF! I bought one!
For a week or so now I’ve had one on a 20” A4 style gun that previously had a ACOG TA-110 on it. I won’t claim the PA is “better” than an ACOG but that A4 was a real pig to lug around with the TA-110. It’s a much more nimble gun now, which I appreciate as someone who is pretty enthusiastic about the shooting characteristics and ballistic advantages of full length 20” rifles. I think the weight of the PA 3x and mount, and a set of MBUS PRO rear sights is not too much heavier than a detachable carry handle
Honestly, an 18 or 20" setup with this sounds like the perfect setup.
I'm debating putting this on my 300 blackout 8 in
Im surprised how well that flannel blends with the rocks ngl
I have an older, larger, 3x PA prism I like. It does seem a little heavy and the light doesn't turn on and off automatically...
Just found the channel and holy shit am I jealous of your range, if you can even call it that.
Great video! Stansbury island?
omfg i love the retro intro music!!!!!!!!
I like how the logo finally shows the truth about the channel: it’s about the pupper doggo. 😂
Keep up the good work! Enjoy the vids!
I realize people are here for the dog, and the gun stuff is just the appetizer
Hey @Brass Facts Have you got your hands on the 5x version that just came out? Been wonderin if that may be better suited than the 3x for a "Field Rifle" concept
Which canyon is that? It looks like west of the lake, but I thought I'd been in all of them out there. Just wondering.