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- My 11.5 Rifle Build(s) for the worst of times.
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Being real, man, I think your familiarity and comfortability behind the camera is massively improving every video. Great talking points in a sit-down style video.
Seconded. I just watched one of his older videos for an opinion on something I’m thinking of buying, and the improvement is remarkable.
He's definitely come a long way. Him and hop are by far my favorite gun tubers and lesbian power couple💪
@@abolishtheatfandrepealthenfa Brass, Hop and Focus.
@@raifsevrence agreed
Can’t drink all day if you don’t start in the morning
Dad?
Work on the weekdays, be free on the weekends.
I get started early and drink in my sleep
@@kittybrowneye3163Smart man.
Longest intro for a dog video clip ever
Nah... Nothing like a great dog. Plus much better than Hop's cat outro's🐱
My 20in is my go to. Most reliable gas system, lowest unlocking pressure, and you’re getting the most out of 55 grain.
20” gang!
Based
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Makes sense in that regard. In most of my area the 16" is much more convenient. Even though with my height and all a 20" would probably work fine.
Sure, all true. However, when you start adding accessories such as lights, lasers, etc, the center of gravity shifts & it becomes more unwieldy. A can will also make an already long gun even longer, making it more difficult to use for CQB and more prone to snagging on brush/branches in the woods.
The 20” certainly has its place though, and I think it would excel in a desert or plains environment where everything is relatively flat and you may be shooting at longer distances. Just my thoughts.
tfw your laser costs as much as a used car
You underestimate the inflation of the used car market. Nowadays a 20 year old corolla costs $6000+
You're acting like this is 2017, used cars go for waaaaay more than that homie
Mine costs more than my car
@@TheMsdos25 more like 2-4k and I live in the highest COL state besides hawaii
@@CallsignMagpie a mawl C1+ is almost 4k
Whenever someone asks for opinions on gear, and specifically guns, my counter question is "What job is it doing?"
Don't buy things just because it's cool, buy things that do a "job" for you.
There's nothing wrong with buying stuff just because you want it or because it's cool.
Mandatory caveat: Don't buy shit you can't afford to spend money on.
Simply analogy- if someone asks for opinions on gear/guns it is no different than asking for opinions on clothing/apparel.
"What do you think about my new insulated gloves?" obviously should be asked in the context of intended use in _winter_ or cold weather (that might be a bad example because the context is so obvious that one doesn't need to clarify that they intend to use it for [perhaps] Minnesota winters and not mid-summer in Arizona).
I guess my point is that the question "What do you think the best rifle setup is?" is about as 'answerable' as "What do you think the best clothing setup is?". Perhaps I am setting up a straw-man to some degree here (most people at least ask "What do you think the best rifle setup is for home defense?" or "...for a DMR?" etc.) but I think clothing is a good example because it is so clearly purpose built for specific tradeoffs and intended usages that we don't assume our "wardrobe" will function well across the spectrum (and if it functions well in one extreme it will do poorly in the other).
The other reason clothing makes sense as an analogy is because it also carries an element of personal taste or aesthetic opinion, and one _can_ override the utilitarian aspect for the sake of "cool or personal appeal" if they choose to do so. "These boots aren't the most comfortable and they don't do well in the rain, but man I love how they look" is fair enough, as long as you understand that I won't have a high opinion of them if you intend to go hiking or fishing in them.
My philosophy is that everyone can get an "out" on something they buy if they just admit they bought it because it is cool (call it "the rule of cool"). What you spend your money on for this particular reason is completely up to you, and whether I think it is cool or useful or not is completely irrelevant. Whether or not someone is _honest_ that this is the reason for their purchase, or whether this is a good use of someone's money is on their conscious, but that is my rule (and at that point my opinion doesn't even matter on the item in the first place).
Of course, lots of people buy things initially (myself included, especially when I first got into this stuff) because they thought it was cool AND thought it would be the "bestest thing ever- I am now basically CAG and DEVGRU" and when they realize it isn't so great or they lack any realistic use for it (because you aren't riding in helicopters bro, you don't need the $200 Yates SOCOM personal retention lanyard on your gun-belt) they suddenly claim "Oh, yeah I will never use this but I bought it because it was cool" (uh-huh, sure you did- but was that before you envisioned yourself in Red Dawn 2.0 rocking that piece of kit?).
(Funny anecdote about that- one of my first "good" gun-belts I bought was a Ronin Tactics belt off of E-Bay and the dude was selling it with a BUNCH of his old accessories- it came with a Safariland ALS with the nub mod and optic cutout that fit my Glock, 3-4 Esstac Kywi pouches for rifle and pistol, a Raptor tactical IFAC pouch, and maybe 10-12 other various pouches from Crye, ALS, etc. for mags, lights, multitools, etc. all for around $250 and it was in great shape [still is] but it also came with a Yates bungee personal retention lanyard with the giant carabiner. It came with the stuff already on the belt because that was how the gun was running it, and the lanyard was attached. Of course I put it on, and of course I attached myself to the the towel rack in the bathroom while I was checking it out in the mirror.... and then I took it off and now I use it for walking my dog sometimes because I am a lame civilian who works as a software engineer and I haven't had a software bug that was bad enough [yet?] to require that I do HELO ops).
At any rate, if someone doesn't invoke the "rule of cool" then (as the original comment stated) prepare for a whirlwind of questions, critique, nuance, and tradeoffs because having a realistic and clearly defined [by the owner] purpose or "philosophy of use" (yeah, I like the nutnancy terminology for this- it works well- sue me) for that item is much more valuable than my opinion of the item in a vacuum.
@@kerbalairforce8802 The most important "job" your gear can do is make the other people at the range jealous. Nothing else matters as much as that
My rifle is basically built such that other guys taking tactical shooting classes with me will accept me as one of their own and bully some other pubby loser with inferior gear.
I've found that, in training and competition, you are very likely to be accepted if you score well with whatever you bring.
I usually find that having a bigger penis than them helps me not care what others think
I love your sit down reviews, it's so real and none of it is to push for "buy this" or "buy that" it's legit to a scale that matters to the consumer's budget.
Agreed! The fact that he actually shoots his guns and therefore knows how the system(s) work adds legitimacy that few other channels can equal. Hop, D34, etc. obviously offer the same kind of credentials.
Hearing him talk about the elcan from an lpvo astigmatism perspective. "Hmmm maybe I can give it a try" *Googles elcan* as Google loads in "they getting expensive now, like 3k wtf" *Jaw drops* "nahhhh I'm gud"
dont buy the 3k one, there is nothing that makes that extra 1k worth it over the 2k one.
Is there a specific gen/model that’s “the 2k one”?
@@samuelratcliff6062you buy a used one off TacSwap for $1600
@@samuelratcliff6062 ya, the ones that aren't the new gens that came out this year, and aren't marked at $3k
@@samuelratcliff6062Used ones...
20" gang is the only way to keep Mr. Stoner from rising from the grave.
I'm doing my part!
Also makes 55gr and lower armor-piercing lol
If suppressors werent a consideration id still have my 20" upper.
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 20" all day, with a Omega 36M. Light weight
Gigachad detected.
You can't drink all day, if you don't start in the morning. 🥃
Frankengun gang. I trust my slightly inebriated manufacturing over most manufacturers.
Downside of frankenguns is you're never satisfied with where it's at
We, as a people, have strayed too far from the quad rail.
A lot of our issues could be solved by embracing tradition. -quad God gang
Quad squad
Quad squad ftw
quad rail is gods rail.
Monolithic quad rail gang
I have gradually learned to hate MLOK. ANY gains from being slimmer nekkid is undone when you need ANYTHING other than "nothing". Attaching a WML and sling should not require more than "place, lube up with Loctite, tighten screw". And you have to do the whole MF dance AGAIN in like 300-500 rounds when the teeny-tiny little arms eventually walk back out of the slot. FUCK MLOK, ALL MY HOMIES HATE MLOK.
Brass facts rifles after he does the 40th video about the same two builds: If it’s okay with your majesty, your servant is requesting to be laid to rest.
this is actually the first on this specific build, and the 1-8x hasn't been really talked about in 2 years. Unless you mean the nova group video hop did
No.. peasant. Your inaccurate request has been denied. 😵
@@BrassFacts sorry big dawg but you and Hop are the same thing. (jk love you)
@@saprsam9073 yep nobody ever saw them both at same time
You need some throat lubricant😂 holly shit man..
99.9 "repeating of course". Great reference. LEROY JENKINS!
The way you narrate and present behind a camera, along with video length, makes me feel like we are friends just having a chat! Love it
No need to test an RC3. Rooftop Defense already did that for us. Daytime and night time with and without nods. Absolutely worth a watch.
Edit: Tea does not in fact, belong in the harbor. It belongs in your cup. Good quality loose leaf tea bought by the lb is a game changer.
yeah im on loose leaf tea gang. Shits good. I haven't found amazing stuff here like I could in Japan. But that's probably just going to be a fact of life.
@@BrassFacts Only been once but the matcha was heavenly. I want to go back.
Modern Warriors is awesome. Ordered all 7 of my suppressors from them. Never been in the shop, but I’ll make sure to hit them up next time I head south!
You will have to stop by when you are in town. I promise it will be worth your time
Rc3 owner here,
They work perfectly with open tine hiders. Don't be a silly billy.
twas a internet meme.
I've stuck up for them in other videos
Rooftop Defense has a top notch video on it. He used the three prong with it.
That store Modern Warriors is actually pretty good.
Thanks man, we do our best
@@modernwarriorsutgonna stop by next time on my way to Vegas. Thanks for sponsoring a local.
14.5 Mid is such a well balanced, well performing and soft shooting setup. Everyone in my group is envious of my 14.5, after them buying into hype of 10.3 and 11.5's
14.5 gang, it's just good.
14.5 gang 🤘🏼
same here! my buddy was like danm whys this thing so smooth? 🤷
The 14.5 is probably the more practical and general use out of anything shorter. My 12.5 is softer recoiling and more accurate than my 10.5 but that extra 2" is really really felt and noticed when the can is attached comapred to the 10.5 which essentially gives me a 17" barrel and feels very balanced.
Both unsupressed though, the 12.5 I built is probably slightly lighter as the set ups sit and would be preferred over the 10.5.
Anything over 14.5 is better suited for accuracy and distance. 14.5 really is the best all around which is probably why the m4 came.out to be 14.5😂
@@BarnDoor-won5ve exactly, the military wasn't bound to a 16" barrel length, so they just tested and decided that 14.5" was the best balance/ compromise between size and performance.
have you had a video about the importance of wild food in any sort of shtf scenario? For example, in my area there are lots of wild figs trees that produce hundreds of pounds sweet goodness every late summer. Spearfishing and freediving basically sustained my family's food supply and entertainment during covid. Even hunting tasty mushrooms like chanterelles and bolete's in the winter time would hold someone over during the winter and they taste amazing. I'm not skilled tactically by any means, but hollistically I am prepared for nearly anything that could happen in my area. learning how to properly identify wild food and the means to obtain it is a skill that is cheap and valuable to learn.
I have.
Personally, if you know, do it. But do not overestimate how effect gathering is, because in reality. Even for ancient man, it made up a surprisingly low amount of our caloric total.
there's also a non zero chance you get the shits, because sometimes animals shit and piss on food. Or they have worms in them. We recommended not eating them back when I was part of a backcountry rucking type course.
“Some conclusions I make may be erroneous in nature” My god I can’t tell you how refreshing that is.
19:40 i personally feel like an ambi safety is a requirement for all ar platforms. I can't remember the brand off the top of my head but i run an ambi safety on my rifle that the levers are screwed onto (loctited) and are also unequal length.
I then run the longer of the two on the right side of the gun, and flip it around so it's pointed towards the muzzle. That way when i disengage the safety it doesn't bite into my hand meat, i can then reset the safety with my trigger finger.
Disengage from the left side with my thumb, re-engage from the right side with my index finger. Also forgot to mention it's a 45 degree.
I too love ambi safety, it just makes some manipulations easier. Not required but I prefer it.
Hey man, been following your channel for a while. I’m a city dude and my 11.5” SBR is my go to. Built a 20” FSB rifle and it’s been what I have been using a lot this year. I am shooting it unsuppressed 90% of the time. Have you spent some time on rifle length guns. Figured that might be a good fit for your desert shooting.
yeah, I use to only shoot a rifle length 18"
I've moved away from them now that I suppress/do NV a lot.
@@BrassFactsso you'd still recommend that for folks who aren't into suppressors and NV yet?
@@ericj6636 no. I would run a 14.5-16" if you were unsuppressed. 11.5s without a can suck
Can only take one...308AK.
Friend's son, a well skilled stalking hunter, ragged on and on about the 308 ACOG recommending practically anything else. Ragged on the weight, Guccified with a laser. Ragged on Zenitco Rail I fitted to the 308. Ragged on the weight with the Laser based 1.6Km Light.
Then...
He came to understand that the ACOG had a Laser Flash Kill.
He found out that the light blinds for a significant time that you might not have to shoot someone.
His advice on the zeroing issues we were having, suggested that I move the laser to the group when holding the cross hairs on the center, and then moving the cross hairs to the group.
Then he proceeded to cut a single hole at 10m with Malaysian NATO fodder with the ACOG that has a terrible eyebox.
You should have seen him jump into the air.
Inb4 Hop defends Socko’s honor
I've been using Midwest Handguards on two of my rifles. Have had zero issues with either one. If I were to build another rifle. It will be my go to handguard.
Brassfacts wallet:
Brock. Your Elcan addiction has affected me in the following ways.. 😂
"The Brock Hard Carbine" 😂
My sister travels a lot and always gets me Hard Rock shirts. It's kind of a family joke. One time in Jamaica a sketchy cab took her to the Hard Brock Cafe when she asked for a Hard Rock. I still wish she had bought the shirt...
Modern Warriors. Nothing but amazing things to say about them. They're the unicorn.
Dropped by when I was on a business trip in St George, was very impressed!
They have some pretty good prices on stuff last time I checked. They even had some stuff in inventory I hadn't seen in a long time. Great selection, good prices.
They ran out of stock on something I ordered and substituted an equivalent product of slightly higher value and quality to fill the order.
Top notch business imo. Same kind of experience with Venture Surplus.
Gotta respect the businesses that have real integrity. It's so rare these days.
@@raifsevrence Thank you for the kind words!
Thank you for the shout out
I bought into the WWSD meme and got a KP-15 lower with an Aero upper. Faxon pencil barrel, JP captured buffer spring, and I wanna say a lantac-enhanced BCG.
Edit: Not at all my go-to for boog/shtf/teotwawki or whatever, but I intend to configure it as a "trail carbine" of sorts. No real plans to suppress it, but I want to get a Burris RT-6 on it (currently a Leupold 2-7 in its place) and probably a surefire scout light of some variety. Just a stupid light rifle I can have slung on me innnawoods and not regret carrying it with me.
Im currently working on something similar with a 16" Faxon gunner barrel and a PA 3x micro prism. its my " mountain carbine" where i need it to be light and easy to carry, but also reach out farther with some magnification.
I did too and now I’m not happy either it. I’d prefer to have parts with a more reliable track record. I’ll still keep the weight considerations of the WWSD carbine concept, but with a more mainstream rifle
@@HariboStarman personally i never saw the weight savings of the kp15 polymer lower to out weigh my perceived drawbacks. I mean, the standard aluminum AR15 lowers are pretty dang light to begin with.
@mtnbound2764 same. Almost exactly the same except I used a 16" faxon integral gunner (it has the flash hider cut into it so it's like a pin and weld but you can get the gas block over it)
@@ericj6636 aahh man those barrels are cool! I kind wish i would have got one actually. but, oh well!
First you harass Hello Kitty. Then you threaten to skin Socko.
This guy is a menace to cats.
dog gang
On the barrel subject, +1 for a Criterion Core series barrel & BCM headspaced bolt, direct from Criterion. Best chrome lined barrels on the market. My 13.9" Core series chrono's M193 loads at ~3,050 FPS and chrono's IMI Razercore 77gr at 2,740 FPS. It also prints Razercore into 5/8" groups using a 1-8 SLx FFP as a test scope. Lol.
My core arrived last week. Gonna use a Sionics bcg
Yeah man suppressed 11.5 matched with Black Hills 77 G 556
That dog follows you like a true ride or die companion. Even when she has no idea what's going on, she's in.
Did I just hear that we need to play Commander someday? You, me Hop & FocusTripp for a solid 4 pod?
Recorded drunken commander games being posted to Nova group channel when? I can't wait to hear Hop complain about how his jankpile Jeskai spellslinger deck is totally superior if the stars align and his combo pieces never get interacted with.
@@frankholub4673 😅 typical jank cope
Hop would be a basic green deck of beefy bois. And then bitch about how anything else is just bullshit op
Hop cat tribal vs Brass dog tribal, FIGHT
I have the same rail, in almost the same condition. I've found that the mlok slots on mine are a little narrow, plus side is once you're in there, you're in there. Great video. Getting more comfortable in front of the camera and it shows 👍
Great video Brass! thanks for keeping the content flowing. Curious have you ever seen the USAF's GAU-5A survival rifle?(may be more something up Hop's alley) It has the Cry HAVOC barrel/rail detach system. I've been playing with the idea of one for a new pistol build as a backpack/emergency firearm with possible a law folder or Stern buffer QD system. Would be curious on your take of the concept?
I'd love to see more about this as well
I think I've finally accepted the LPVO side. Hit the light and who needs daylight bright, or even batteries, when the reticle is etched and it's only off 1x enough that you notice but can still see and aim minute of man with both eyes open?
Brock with an objectively correct take "I call optics the heart of the rifle much to the chagrin of everyone."
Whoever everyone is, I don't want to know them.
Bro just needs a RIS II
RIS iii 😘
@@tehmediasource oof soft hand gang spotted. Cheese graters are life
@@sauceboss3101 you should cite your deadlift max and occupation before you call others softhanded
@@tehmediasourceQuality Inspector, General Dynamics Ordinance and Tactical systems, 15 Lbs.
@@sauceboss3101 I'm a machinist, my hands come preloaded with metal slivers for added grip. It also gives me a magnetism buff, unfortunately the magnetism buff doesn't help with aluminum handguards since aluminum got nerfed by the devs.
One thing that addresses your issues related to the rail would be to use an old style aluminum match handguard, which also increases the robustness of the gun massively. These old style match handguards come in both car 15 lengths, and rifle length. I use one on my 11.5 inch xm177e2 no issues on semi or fullauto with heating or stability. Protects the gas tube and barrel.
Like those old style varmint handguards I use to see everywhete? Often knurled on the ends and such?
@shino9797 The best ones had knurling. They were great
Dismisses thicker and higher quality rails, which usually have double anti-rotation methods, then shows cheaper rail is fked cuz one anti-rotation tab is broken. I love you but sometimes i don't quite understand.
I dismiss it for the NV performance, not for the durability. Smashing off a anti rotation tab is basically a miracle.
I'm not going to go ahead and sell every rail that I've ever owned because of it.
@@BrassFacts thanks for the reply and sorry if i sounded internet-y.
@@DavidK2007 np, just explaining my reasoning. I'm not against these beefer barrels. But I personally haven't minded these mid profile types.
Geissele rails may be friction fit, but they also have grub screws in the beefy anti rotation tabs, the friction fit is also VERY tight precision machined, not like most other rails.
Was at modern warriors the other day! Super great and helpful staff, and the best stock of quality firearms I’ve ever seen! They really have all the good stuff, and the guys behind the counter know what they’re talking about.
Modern Warriors is awesome. I bought a rifle from them a while ago and it was by far the best gun buying experience I've ever had. I pretty much only build my rifles now but if I ever buy a complete rifle again, I'm definitely going to buy it from them.
Yes yes yes! There’s a reason we had VFG in our quad railed M16’s in OIF/OEF. Take the heat shielded hand guards off the A2, crap gets hot!!!
Nobody:
Brock: 11.5 >5.11
When brass drops facts, I listen.
Can you consider doing a weapon mounted light philosophy of use video? It sounds like defaulting to "all the candelas" doesn't necessarily make sense for every rifle. Nor does running tape switches or fullsize light bodies apply to every rifle.
it's staggeringly boring. More candela is more versatile so most people just default to it.
The body size thing is just what you're willing to deal with weight wise, and what your rifle has room for size wise. It all sorta self selects without much deep thought.
Short barrel, suppressor, variable optic, passive/active night, utility white light. I also have two of them, one being a prism and the other a LVPO. Only difference is one is a piston with an RC2 and the other is a tuned gas system with a flow-through because I wanted to compare which was best. Turns out they're both fine so I have two main rifles now.
I will continue the campaign to beat the left handed drum until Brass Facts does a video about a left handed AR build.
Left Hand specific stuff just handicaps you trying to find replacement parts. Better to just suck it up and adapt.
@@ShooterMcGottem I disagree 1000%. I have 7 left handed uppers and the only differences are the upper receiver and BCG. And now that Aero Precision is making left handed stuff there's way more vendors selling left handed stuff.... As a matter of fact, thanks to Aero Precision and Superlative Arms 2 of my left handed uppers are DI and the other 5 left handed uppers are piston driven..... It's a GREAT TIME to be a left handed shooter.
@4g63mark those are pretty critical differences if something goes wrong bro lol. The point is for me is having redundancy when the world ends. If left handed components made up more than .01% of the total of all products sold, i would be more open to left handed specific stuff. I love being left handed too I just don't want to be left out to dry when the zombies come lol.
Left handed uppers are super gay, just eat the brass and get an ambi lower/mag release
A left handed AR build is a regular AR except with an ambi mag release and an ambi safety installed, and your light/sling mounted on the opposite side that right handed people mount them on.
Raider 365 on the shelf in the back!!! I love the Flux stuff.
My only take one gun is a MK18 Mod 0 loaded up with 77gr
Good video. Definitely agree on building a gun that you can rely on and have it do a multitude of jobs for you. Gonna get a bit long winded here so bear with me. We don't feel that 11.5" is a do it all length. It can be great for CQB and urban environments but the velocity drop when shooting heavier duty ammo like M855/M262 is very significant and your ability to penetrate and have effective energy on target at your intermediate distances of 250-500 yds is significantly reduced. The ability to counteract the weight distribution you speak of can be mitigated with a heavier profiled barrel, like a standard medium-profile barrel, as well as by utilizing a heavier buffer system like an A5 buffer with a 5.5 or even 6.5 oz buffer. Which if you are planning to shoot suppressed and already tuning it to basically only work reliably suppressed wouldn't be an issue with the heavier buffers. I definitely agree with getting a barrel that will last you for 10k+ round counts before starting to open up on you. Chrome-lining doesn't fix that problem though if you are buying barrels that are made from 416R stainless. The thermal stability of that steel alloy does not allow for super long lifespans no matter the treatment you put that barrel through. 4150 CMV is a barrel quality steel alloy that allows for the repeated extreme temperature changes that happen in rifle barrels with out degrading as quickly as other steel alloys used due to its significant thermal stability. Nitriding versus chrome-lining is definitely a heated debate, nitriding practices have significantly improved over the last decade making it comparable to chrome-lining in terms of the corrosion resistance it provides, as well as the heat resistance improvements that the alloy being treated gains. Where nitride is significantly better is the higher abrasion resistance it provides to steel alloys undergoing this treatment type, which is where majority of the deterioration comes from in barrel break downs over time due to the pressure of the round being fired as well as the round travelling through the barrel at high speeds repeated many thousands of times. Chrome-lining does have superior thermal/heat resistance but if you utilize an alloy that will help mitigate that while at the same time using a heavier profiled barrel the heat resistance from nitriding in conjunction with the alloys properties will make the difference nil. Now add the benefit of not taking away from the rifling of the barrel, nitriding in our opinion is the superior treatment for a barrel, if done correctly. Great video and looking forward to watching more from you.
My dream "Only one rifle" for the worse of worse cases, is a 5.56 chambered VZ58 with a stanag adapter, which because the Czechs are stalking me, apparently exists. expensive for seemingly no reason other than being an import, but it does exist. And if I had the chance, I'd prefer a prism scope. With a suppressor being the last thing I'd like
Why? Because 5.56 is common in the US, I can prep magazines but also stripper clips which can be much lighter, and the ability to stay light while having a 1x and 4-5x sight, and overall allowing me to adapt easier, which to me is the name of the game: the ability to adapt.
The goal is to have long term stability, and if things collapse I have no idea what I'd need to do to get that until I'm already there. It could be essentially be basic man power to a small community trying to be sustainable (Considering I'm in Utah that'd be very likely and bring me back to my ancestor's roots), it could mean trying to leave the country (if its that top pyramid and its contained to the US, that's probably the best option), it could mean I get forced into what I'd prefer to stay a fantasy but could hold out of just being a wanderer story teller looking for work or ways to help.
And that's just a few, and depending on everything could be completely different of what I need to prep and do in just those scenarios. I like my rifle to be a little of whatever it'll need to be.
That's actually an incredible setup. I'd run that if I could find one
@@ironfan998 You can find VZ 58s at Czechpoint-USA, they're a decent price, not great but workable. They also sell the stanag adapter too, which like I said I think is a bit expensive.
The only issue is they seemingly go back in stock at random. So if one goes out of stock, it could range from a few days to months before it's back.
@@PantherCat64 oh sick, I might just get one now
All this rifles without backup ironsights they all look weird to me. Too many people rely on their scope but forget what to do if the battery or the actual device fails.
11.5” and 20” are the only barrel length of consequence.
The logic behind this is.....?
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz every 5.56 ballistic chart.
20 is too long for a can, and most would consider an 11.5 too short for a general purpose setup
@@swalker157 but if 11.5 is adequate then everything above 11.5 is also adequate. _thats how ballistics work_
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz you lose mobility for not much gain. In other words the juice ain’t worth the squeeze.
My main squeeze yt channel talks about his main squeeze. Such mixed feelings rn.
Edit: two main squeezes.
Enjoy your videos, well done. A lot of good ideas from your stuff. I also get a kick out of the fact that you go out west of the lake and are shooting at the same place that I go shooting.
I enjoy your videos and find a lot to think about while watching.
I have a different take. Not a criticism.
-Most of us aren't gonna buy cans. I've seen them a lot, I've used them extensively at work, I ain't buying one.
-Most of us aren't gonna pay to play the short barrel game. That said, there are plenty of us playing the "AR pistol" game with sub-16" barrels. When the boo hits the loo who knows where those shorter barrels might be found?
-Nods and lasers are a non-starter for most patriots. At this point groceries are almost out of reach. And, night training venues are problematic for most. Not an issue for me here in Nowhere, Wyoming.
-Long ago I made a decision: my strategy is one of avoidance, not of constantly training to "fight like a soldier". I train, a lot, but there's more to life: running rivers, climbing, skiing, bowhunting elk.
-Consequently, my resources are devoted more to self sufficiency in a very out of the way place. My training has more to do with developing relationships with folks who share the same outlook.
-Looking at what's coming, I'm glad to be way out in the mountains at the end of the line, where I can close the gate and stay put for two years, than be heavily armed and trained to the nth living in an apartment in some urban/suburban setting.
For sure. I talked about that in my Trex Arms videos.
This is what I'm doing, not telling anyone to copy me.
@@BrassFacts Keep the videos coming.
This is the way
Cans are overrated.
Nods and passive aiming can be detected by a cell phone camera.
The only short barrels that make sense are in 300AAC or 6.5 Grendel.
I frequently point out that most people think they are going to be some special operator, sniper, or expeditionary force; these people are sadly mistaken.
"Repeating of course..." Good grief that brings back memories of a brighter, more innocent era.
Yes. Good video Brock. Could listen to stuff like this for hours.
Yo, I have a DD CHF CL barrel, I have 2 Criterions, I have 3 BCM BFH(CHF), and one Geissele but my friends have some other Geissele, Hodge, DD, Criterion, and Centurions.
I'd really suggest not getting a DD CHF barrel. Geissele is noticeably more accurate(like, legitimately noticeable) AND they drill the gas port smaller. If you're buying a pre-drilled barrel that is a big factor considering that the gun is gonna be suppressed its entire life or most of it. Hodge is another option that is better than DD. Their "large gas port" is way smaller than most other companies and would work fine I think. But, Hodge is really expensive and mostly known for their 12.5 although my buddy does have their 11.5 and it is very nice. I think the Geissele is unironically justasgood and better than almost everything else I've named. Mine is more accurate than my Criterions, DD, and BCMs and gassed really well.
Edit: Oh man, don't get me started on CMT. I'll just say this, I don't think you should use a CMT on an "SPR" type build like I did. The rail deflection when loading up on a bipod is pretty noticeable. A sturdier rail is going to pay dividends if you are trying to build an "accurized" SPR. Their aluminum also seems to be softer than I'd like...
Hodge uses FN Barrels FYI
Ever try white oak's barrels/uppers for SPR builds? Mine prints MOA with fed fusion with a magpul bipod on a bench
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@@RunningWithSauceHodge uses FN to manufacture their barrels for them. There are slight differences from a hodge and an FN barrel.
@@RunningWithSauce I think a better way to put it is that FN manufactures Hodge barrels. They are absolutely not the same as the barrels that are branded and sold as FN barrels. They're machined to the specc of Jim Hodge and are basically what you'd call Class A parts. They may have a different term for it in the firearm industry but in my industry a Class A part is a part that is pristine. In order to make class A parts you will inevitably have a higher rejection rate and you will always need to use fresh tooling and there is usually some handwork involved as well but I don't know if there would be with a rifle barrel. They might lap them idk.
But they are different. I have tested this on the range. They group way better than a standard FN barrel and they're honestly undergassed but that is because they're "suppressor optimized" and the gas port is optimized for M855A1 with a traditional high backpressure suppressor.
I wanted to shit on Hodge too cuz "they're just FN barrels bro" but they are different. I've compared the Hodge 14.5/11.5/12.5 to some PSA FN barrels and just regular FN barrels that were sold by FN rather than PSA. They're better. Only reason I was able to do this is cuz I have two friends who are huge hodge nerds.
To me personally--they're very nice but they aren't worth $100~ more than the Geissele taper profile barrels especially cuz you can get the G barrel for like $220 on any major holiday and like $290 WITH the bombproof gasblock installed. There is no better value barrel than a G barrel on sale.
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Running a 13.9 as my “main” rifle and while itself not heavy, all the weight of a sandman s on the front is pretty annoying. Cant wait to finish my 11.5
I was planning on building an 13.9 for the purpose of saving weight. Should I just skip that and go for a 11.5 or 10.5?
@@soheiyamaguchi928It depends on barrel profile, suppressor selection etc. Shorter barrels are naturally lighter, but putting more thought into the component weights than just 'shorter = lighter' will go a long way
@@wolfgang_h3t thankyou for your wisdom. I'll have to meditate on this more
@@soheiyamaguchi928 My 13.9 for example handles about as well as the similar 12.5 I was toying with, also weighs similar, since the 13.9 is a criterion core, bassicly an hbar at the back that tapers all the way down to about og pencil thickness at the gas block and forward, vs the 12.5 being more of a typical medium, kinda heavy towards the back profile
You're saying a 4150 cmv nitrided barrel will only last 6,000 rounds? If you had a cmv barrel with no coating at all it should last longer than that.
I drive 4 hours from South Jordan just to buy stuff at modern warriors. 😅😂
That means a lot, thank you!
It's NOT perfect, just posting for fun!
Aero M16"A3" type AR.
Eotech EXPS-3/4
Eotech Magnifier.
Surefire WML (600L.)
Condor 2 point OD sling.
M7 or M9 Bayonet.
12 30rd Duramag Stanags (aluminum.)
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What handguard are you rocking?
@@filkow9541 at the moment just an A2 style. I have the flashlight mounted on the Front Sight Post in one of those early 2000s style mounts. It still gives access to the Bayonet lug and doesn't clamp to the barrel.
I just finished a build I had in the works with Spike’s Tac upper/lower combo. Bought the lower years ago, then I bought the upper several years back. Built the rifle almost 100% by myself (needed someone else to do a pin & weld job on the 14.5” barrel) with mostly BCM parts from there. Can’t wait to really train with it
As an idea to try and save your rail if you haven't already thrown it out... why not massacre a cheap scope ring or some other cheap picatinny mounted object and chop the actual rail mount off and then clamp it on the top rail over the seam between the upper receiver and handguard. 😊
Might even do that anyways as an extra protection against whatever caused you to snap the anti-rotation tab in the first place.
Oh boy, better roll my D20 to see which LARP we'll have to plan for next!
On the one where you said "this rail is done' -- just get a simple loop that is for hooking on a sling hook-- and mount it on the top rail overlapping the seam from raiil to the upper receiver. It will keep it from rotating, and is what I do on all my rifles anyway. (I use hook slings rather than QD)- I've had to replace too many busted air hose couplers to ever trust the little ball bearings in a QD sling............ Or just send me that rail and barrel nut -- I'll use it. :) .. I can DM you my address
I dunno how tall you are, but even carbine lengths at 14.5 leave me at the very end of the handguard, if I want to run a c clamp thumb over grip. I feel I would be all bunched up on an 11 and probably steer worse. But I do agree on trying to keep weight closer to your center of mass in general. Recently discovered your channel, about a week ago, enjoying your videos.
14.5" Geissele URG-I upper, Milspec forged lower slab sided, SSA-E trigger, RC2, 1-8 ATACR, RMR at 12, Full powered LAM, crappy paint job, vickers sling
“Throat lubricant” is crazy 😂😂 3:12
I always thought hop supplied his throat lubricant
Naa too salty..
Highlight of my day is after moving tons of concrete by wheel barrow (Australia), is seeing American's still able to exercise their God given rights.
lol my always loaded ready to go rifle is a 14.5 midlength pin and weld set up with a red dot and ran with a nearly vertical pistol grip one of those fab GL core stocks, and a hand stop for home defense
For shooting outside the home I have a PTR-91 i'm building as a DMR and i'm going to build a 20 inch fulton armory m16a4 and put an ACOG on it since I think 20 inch +ACOG is the GOAT field rifle
I'm truly not trying to be combative or sound like a jerk, but if society really and truly collapses and the lights go out, you are not carrying all of that stuff. Here's the main reason: logistics. You don't have enough water to support traipsing around the countryside getting into gun battles. The amount of water it took to support us in GWOT, wearing all of the gear, was enormous. Water was the number one logistical concern always, overseas or stateside during training. Water will be finite, and food will be finite. Your main mission at this point is pure survival, not taking down buildings or whatever. "Operating" takes calories and lots of water, I don't care what shape you think you are in. The more crap you are wearing and carrying, the more water you will require. Nobody is going to resupply you. The longer the collapse goes, the greater the chance of the tech breaking, to include optics. If all you've done is train the "Operator way" you're in big trouble. I would like to see some videos of you guys out there with Irons, 2 mags because that's all you have left after your stash burned up in a fire, and your Mark 1 eyeballs in the pouring down rain at midnight trying not to be found and conserving energy. That's training for the end of the world, it's just not sexy.
I'll add this to my training
This is such a retarded take I actually applaud you. Are you competing this summer in the Olympic Games for mental gymnastics?
I always think it's funny when people almost fantasize about some sort of collapse to justify owning guns like just own guns for the sake of owning guns because it's our right too 😂
I'm not doing 7 day long combat operations. Or whatever you're describing. So we're probably on a bit of a different wavelength there.
But I have regularly done multiday rucks and been just fine.
I'm not the military, I'm not chain surviving engagement after engagement to the point where I need a logistical chain.
Personally for me, tech breaking is not a excuse not to have tech. Use the enablers for as long as they last. Get the most out of them. But understand how to function without it.
Not to sound like a jerk, but I think missed the point of this channel.
I was thinking about instead of buying a complete rifle like a DB15 or St Victor. That is my price point. I was thinking a complete BCM upper and PSA complete lower
@12:30 About the busted anti-rotation tabs. The rail is salvageable in two ways. One, a quality long rail riser clamping full length of upper and maybe 3 or 4 slots on handguard now it ain't rotating anywhere and is stronger than it was (degrease all screw and screw hole then use like quarter of a DROP of shaken red loctite per screw or a lot of blue loctite or better a vibratite.) Or maybe just decent long riser that go 3-4 slot on upper and 3-4 slot on handguard is good enuff. Second way, if tab isnt torn off, it's to shim the tabs so it is friction fit once again.
@19:04 that power of white light is VERY useful in AMBUSH, whoever that's baited or went bump in the night get his area suddenly turn into daylight by distant covered position and hidden L ambush element now can smoke the victim. Or even attacking a fixed position like a roadblock during night a guy behind Solid cover shining light at roadblock while guy off side can now see everything and wipe the roadblock. Shooting white flare in air does same thing.
Yeah I could save the rail, but I'm probably just buying a second one when they come back in stock
I'd rather just use NV in the context of a ambush.
Why not use the Black River Tactical 11.5" Optimum CHF barrel like Hop?
The Elcan is a steal compared to the Sig Romeo9 at $4k.
When you can only take one, take the one with your logo on it…
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Been doing a lot of traveling the past few months. Realizing that anything over a 7 inch barrel is too big and a folding stock is a must.
Nothing makes me happier than watching brass facts while I shower😏
What i wondered with these shorter barrels: do you plan on using dedicated hunting ammo on these? with these the whole issue of terminal velocity might be less of a concern.
I run the same foregrip…. It’s works better for me slanting forward. If you’ve never tried it that way, give it a shot…
RMR topped Elcan Specter DR for SHTF/WROL Apocalypse...
Tritium and fiber optic RMR to make it even more future proof.
@@ShooterMcGottem Amen to that Brother
Guys like Kevin Owens like 11.5's and it seems like most special operators use them too. I use 77 gr because SF and those types like MK262, and it offsets the performance disadvantages of 11.5 to some degree.
I have a Spikes receiver set with more hard rounds through it than the rest of the parts on it. looks newer than the rest of the rifle. Fit and finish is great.
@7:56 “blue” springs for the front stroke…. Nice 😂
"Way back in 2015...." LOL!!! Oh man thanks for making me feel old. Good explanation of why tho.
12.5 supremacy, scrublord.
feel free to meme me but my all around rifle, is the Ruger SFAR with riflespeed gas block, Hyperion K, and the OG primary arms 4x prism with holosun EPS carry as a piggy back red dot. I just love the versatility .308 offers while not having to pay the huge weight penalty.
You could stick to tradition and get a BA CHF barrel. They're in stock right now and mine runs great 👀
It's still so weird and fascinating to me how the 2A community seems to be fear driven. "Building this rifle for when X invades/when X happens or when I need to go home after my 9 to 5" so few people seem to be about "Yeah I built it because I thought it was fun/cool" and yes people will argue "I'm not afraid! I'm prepared." being prepared means you're expecting things to happen, expecting bad things to happen is a form of phobia/paranoia.
Don't consider it a criticism of you directly, it's just something that shines through in most peoples videos.
A few years ago before you and Hop let loose the ultimate secret that is Rearden Defense they were my go-to spot for dat shyt.