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Best explanation ever. I don't know why I forget this in between every biannual. But I do. I may remember it better this time because of your great explanation! Thank you.
I'm a controller w a private pilot just wanted to thank you guys for the videos and actually doing the research, putting out real facts. So many channels it seems like they have no idea what they're talking about or just guessing and giving out wrong info. Y'all rock keep it up and look for my UA-cam channel for controlling to start in a month or so
*best teacher ever, thank you so much! I'm cramming for my checkride July 20th, and to be completely honest, I'm still caught sometimes by that darn class Echo! God bless you and these videos are AWESOME*
Finally a video presentation on a subject that needed relatively short and to-the-point breakdowns that can be applied toward the FAA Part 107 on up through to the CFI exam applicants.
Dude, wonderful job explaining the WHY behind airspace restrictions. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it and this is a huge step in the right direction. Thank you.
For my fellow Part 141 pilots if a check airman or DPE asks for the range of Class E airspace say usually from 1,200ft agl up to but not including 18,000ft msl (17,999) otherwise you might get a failed question specially on those stage checks where they almost look for perfection.
Jon, awesome teaching style! I do have a question for you. Looking at KLSE in Salem Oregon, the sectional indicates two sections inside this Class D airspace. These two sections include the message, "Class D excluded below 1500' MSL." Does this mean - pertaining to the KLSE's airspace - that the airspace below 1500' MSL is Class G to up to 1499''? I look forward to reading your expert response. In advance, thank you! Tony :-)
I think it's worth mentioning that the class G minimum "clear of clouds" means as close to clouds as you care to get without being _in_ them. VFR traffic keeping class G minimums could literally be hit by blind, IFR traffic as it exits a cloud.
Great video. You're directly to the point and no second guessing yourself. Maybe you can answer this for me. On the Salt Lake City Sectional chart, it shows a 30NM radius mode C which always requires a transponder. I'm looking for the vertical limit in this area but can't find any. I want to fly my ultralight without electrical system and transponder in class G under the mode C veil. Is mode C airspace down to the surface by default? I'd appreciate your input. Thanks in advance. :)
How are IFR aircrafts "protected" in E airspace? Meaning: does it mean VFR aircrafts need to 'get out of the way' as soon as a jet is spotted? And most important: a very big thank you for creating this content.
IFR flights are protected because they can be assured of better visual separation. In class G (generally up to 1200'AGL), the VFR cloud minimum is "clear of clouds." This means as close as you want as long as it's not *IN* the clouds. This could be a nasty surprise for an IFR flight descending through clouds on an approach. The airport near me has a 14.5NM ILS approach. About 7.1NM out at about 2400'AGL is the FAF point, where a plane will start descending the glide slope. Landing planes could potentially drop out of a low ceiling and find unavoidable VFR traffic outside the class D around the airport, except that a box of surface-up class E extends out about 11NM under the approach. VFR can still buzz around in there, but it has minimum distances for clouds and stricter visibility requirements, meaning there's time to avoid an accident when an airliner suddenly drops out of the clouds.
Clear of clouds only applies at and below 1200agl during the day, at night it is the same as class E. Both class G and E above 1200agl have minimum 500 below 1000 above and 2000 to the side of clouds, at and above both 10,000msl and 1200agl class G requires 1000 above 1000 below and one mile to the side. Class G below 10,000msl in the day requires one mile visibility, 3 miles at night, Class E is 3miles day or night; above 10,000 both classes are 5 miles minimum vis day or night.
I just had a strange thought. As I recall, over 18,000 feet (flight-level 180 actually) assumes barometric pressure is 29.92 inHg, whereas even one angstrom lower the "official" altitude is based upon the actual barometric pressure. Which means, I guess, sometimes 17,999 feet doesn't even exist... and other times 18,000 feet and flight-level 180 both exists but not at the same altitude. Good grief! I think that has to be correct. Now I have a headache ... but not as bad a headache as a pilot slowly climbing from 17,500 feet to FL180 or 18,000 feet... whatever that means!
max bootstrap you’re right, over 18,000ft it is referred to as “flight level” and that is how you call out ALT. It helps for instrument flight and controlling airlines. If I remember though as well europeans use millibars and not inches of mercury :0
A few semantic issues that may cause students confusion in the future. First, class E is below(aka less than, not equal to) 18000msl, not FL180. Flight level is strictly a pressure altitude not true altitude and indicates class A space, in fact FL180 is eliminated any time an altimeter setting of 29.92 would result in a true altitude below 18000. Second, Class E is everything at and above both 14500msl and 1500agl.(and below 18000. E also covers the area above the top of class A [FL600]) Below 14500msl defaults to class G. The main exceptions are of course B, C, D controlled airports; and victor airways, which make up the bulk of class E below 14500. Admittedly there are a lot of victor airways in many areas and each being 8nm wide this makes class E appear to start at 1200agl "everywhere" and many of these areas have just been made all class E above 1200 to avoid hundreds of little pockets of G, but accurately explained this is a matter of victor airways not the true default for class E. You may also notice that there is a victor airway that enters each of the 700agl zones and that the 8mile width will generally cover the majority of the 700agl zone. The 700 agl zone is intended as a transition for IFR and flight-followed VFR from victor to approach or typical 1000agl pattern altitude, as E is in the domain of ATC and G is not. Your explanation of cloud clearance for VFR flight may be a factor but it isn't the only factor.
Hey this is awesome. Well done. On the Dade-Collier example, why do they even have the transition ring of Echo airspace down to 700? Why don't they go straight from normal Echo floor of 1200 to Echo at surface?
Two ways to look at it, one is they don't want to "take up" more airspace than they need to protect the approaches going in there, the second and more realistic reason is ATC only wants to assume liability for the airspace they have to, not any more
THis helps me, but im still pretty dumb. Class E inside the Magenta shading Begins at 700 feet above the ground right? Outside the Magenta it begins at 1200 ft agl? Is that correct? If it is correct, then what is the airspace inside the Magenta shading, 699ft down to the ground? is it G? and outside the Magenta shading, is it G from 1199 down to ground? The sectional legend, in the Class E section says "Class E with FLOOR of 700 ft above surface etc". so this leads me to believe it begins at 700ft, and not at the surface to 700ft, as I was told before by someone else.
Jon. How do you tell what the radius is from the center (airport) for the magenta ring surrounding a Class E airport? Is it only physical landmarks seen on the VFR sectional at the outer ring? Or are all magenta class e circles the same distance from the center? I heard you say that the dashed blue circle around a Class D airport had a 4nm radius, but what is Class E circle? -Doug
Lay your plotter on the sectional chart with 0 on the airport and read where the scale crosses the circle. ;) Class E is adjusted to suit the situation above a specific airport. Looking at a few airports in my vicinity I found a class E surface (dashed line) that was 7NM in radius and another that was 5NM radius plus a box extension out to 12NM along the main approach. The 700'+ rings might be as small as 7.5NM at a small field, to 12NM or more at airports with class D and/or tricky terrain.
Overall, a very helpful video. Thanks. However, there is a mistake you made several times. The top of class E / bottom of class A airspace is 18,000 (or 17,999) MSL, not FL180. The horizontal airspace boundaries are defined by pressure altitude as displayed on an altimeter set to the local reference setting (QNH), not the standard setting of 29.92 in. used in the flight levels.
I cannot find anything that addresses this question directly... how does class e *outside* the faded magenta line have a floor of 1200 AGL and not 14500 MSL? I trust that it does but all I can find is that the class e floor is 14500 MSL everywhere, not 1200 AGL.
No offense. Starting at 1:00 you moved your highlighted mouse over the wrong symbol in the legend. You highlighted the E abuts G and then explained 700 E that abuts 1200 E. Probably an oversite.
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LITERALLY THE BEST EXPLANATION OF CLASS E EVER! Checkride coming up and I was like "DOES NOT COMPUTE." Thank you.
Glad it helped ya!
you're the best teacher for free. God bless and thank you for clear and clear explanation of class E& G air space diffrences.
I've watched so many other videos on this. This was the first one that actually made sense
You do an awesome job of explaining, thank you so much for the time that you put in to helping us student Pilots
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thank you for helping me to understand this and making me a safer pilot free of charge. this has got to be my favorite aviation channel
I'm happy to help!! Cheers!
Love the education you are making public. The more is known the better.
Best explanation ever. I don't know why I forget this in between every biannual. But I do. I may remember it better this time because of your great explanation! Thank you.
I'm glad this helped then.. Cheers!!
Helpful for me. "Why" it is the way it is sticks better than "what" the rules are. Thanks.
I'm a controller w a private pilot just wanted to thank you guys for the videos and actually doing the research, putting out real facts. So many channels it seems like they have no idea what they're talking about or just guessing and giving out wrong info. Y'all rock keep it up and look for my UA-cam channel for controlling to start in a month or so
Hey Blake! Glad to hear the videos help! What facility do you work in??
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Blake, did you launch your channel? If so, what's it's name? I see no content under your Blake Sedgwick account.
*best teacher ever, thank you so much! I'm cramming for my checkride July 20th, and to be completely honest, I'm still caught sometimes by that darn class Echo! God bless you and these videos are AWESOME*
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I just want to thank you for your time and effort making this great videos, very well done and easy to understand.
I agree.
I have watched a bunch of different guys and
I think you explain things very well
Great job of explaining Class E airspace. You make it easy to understand.
Thank you sooo much for explaining WHY the airspaces are the way they are. It's much easier for me to learn if it's sensical.
Finally a video presentation on a subject that needed relatively short and to-the-point breakdowns that can be applied toward the FAA Part 107 on up through to the CFI exam applicants.
Dude, wonderful job explaining the WHY behind airspace restrictions. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it and this is a huge step in the right direction. Thank you.
This was a good refresher for me. Thanks. Class E is found in one other place. Above FL 600.
Good luck flying up there.
E>*1,200-17,999 (FL180). *700-17’999 Magenta Vignette. *SFC-17,999 Dashed Magenta.
Outstanding!
Thank you... reviewing for my private oral and checkride...keep getting rules conflicted between E and G
Good luck to you!!
Thanks a lot from a flyer from the Netherlands. Very clear
Doesn’t the airspaces change?
Thanks for this video. I’m preparing to take the FAA written for the PPL and this really helps. I’m converting my EASA FCL to FAA PPL.
For my fellow Part 141 pilots if a check airman or DPE asks for the range of Class E airspace say usually from 1,200ft agl up to but not including 18,000ft msl (17,999) otherwise you might get a failed question specially on those stage checks where they almost look for perfection.
Excellent! Finally a clear explanation.
Absolutely anything you want, just have to find an A&P or IA that will sign off your work
EXCELLENT way of explaining it. BEST one so far! Good lord why do people make things so difficult lol
Very informative. Thanks a lot. Part 103 lunatic here mostly operating in "class G". Also not speeding. Nope nosirree. Flying 55 kts.
Love the way you teach.
Thanks, I try my best!!
10 out of 10 great video..thanks for sharing
Great video, well explained
Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Thanks you, this will help for my PPL Glider checkride.
Very good explanation
This was very helpful to understand
Great video. Ty
God bless, you have a gift for teaching!
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The best video on airspace I have seen so far. Thank you! You’ve earned a new subscriber.
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This is easily the best video explaining Echo airspace. Thank you!
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Jon, awesome teaching style! I do have a question for you. Looking at KLSE in Salem Oregon, the sectional indicates two sections inside this Class D airspace. These two sections include the message, "Class D excluded below 1500' MSL." Does this mean - pertaining to the KLSE's airspace - that the airspace below 1500' MSL is Class G to up to 1499''? I look forward to reading your expert response. In advance, thank you! Tony :-)
Excellent explanation. Perhaps talk about the northern half of SRQ's class C vis-a-vis TPA's class B.
Great Job!
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Best Class E explanation I have seen!! Thank you!
Thanks you for the detailed explanation.
I think it's worth mentioning that the class G minimum "clear of clouds" means as close to clouds as you care to get without being _in_ them. VFR traffic keeping class G minimums could literally be hit by blind, IFR traffic as it exits a cloud.
Super useful video
You’re a great teacher!
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very very useful!! Thanks!!
You're welcome!
Great video. You're directly to the point and no second guessing yourself.
Maybe you can answer this for me. On the Salt Lake City Sectional chart, it shows a 30NM radius mode C which always requires a transponder. I'm looking for the vertical limit in this area but can't find any. I want to fly my ultralight without electrical system and transponder in class G under the mode C veil. Is mode C airspace down to the surface by default? I'd appreciate your input. Thanks in advance. :)
Question - What do you know about Class E4 Space? So you have another video on this? Can you explain how it works? Thanks.
Thank you for sharing, very informative video. Big fan of your channel.
Thanks! Safe Flying! -Jon
Dude your videos are awesome and extremely helpful! But where are the doors on your airplane?
How are IFR aircrafts "protected" in E airspace? Meaning: does it mean VFR aircrafts need to 'get out of the way' as soon as a jet is spotted?
And most important: a very big thank you for creating this content.
IFR flights are protected because they can be assured of better visual separation. In class G (generally up to 1200'AGL), the VFR cloud minimum is "clear of clouds." This means as close as you want as long as it's not *IN* the clouds. This could be a nasty surprise for an IFR flight descending through clouds on an approach.
The airport near me has a 14.5NM ILS approach. About 7.1NM out at about 2400'AGL is the FAF point, where a plane will start descending the glide slope. Landing planes could potentially drop out of a low ceiling and find unavoidable VFR traffic outside the class D around the airport, except that a box of surface-up class E extends out about 11NM under the approach. VFR can still buzz around in there, but it has minimum distances for clouds and stricter visibility requirements, meaning there's time to avoid an accident when an airliner suddenly drops out of the clouds.
Clear of clouds only applies at and below 1200agl during the day, at night it is the same as class E.
Both class G and E above 1200agl have minimum 500 below 1000 above and 2000 to the side of clouds, at and above both 10,000msl and 1200agl class G requires 1000 above 1000 below and one mile to the side.
Class G below 10,000msl in the day requires one mile visibility, 3 miles at night, Class E is 3miles day or night; above 10,000 both classes are 5 miles minimum vis day or night.
Your awesome, Thanks Jon
I just had a strange thought. As I recall, over 18,000 feet (flight-level 180 actually) assumes barometric pressure is 29.92 inHg, whereas even one angstrom lower the "official" altitude is based upon the actual barometric pressure. Which means, I guess, sometimes 17,999 feet doesn't even exist... and other times 18,000 feet and flight-level 180 both exists but not at the same altitude. Good grief! I think that has to be correct. Now I have a headache ... but not as bad a headache as a pilot slowly climbing from 17,500 feet to FL180 or 18,000 feet... whatever that means!
max bootstrap you’re right, over 18,000ft it is referred to as “flight level” and that is how you call out ALT. It helps for instrument flight and controlling airlines. If I remember though as well europeans use millibars and not inches of mercury :0
A few semantic issues that may cause students confusion in the future.
First, class E is below(aka less than, not equal to) 18000msl, not FL180. Flight level is strictly a pressure altitude not true altitude and indicates class A space, in fact FL180 is eliminated any time an altimeter setting of 29.92 would result in a true altitude below 18000.
Second, Class E is everything at and above both 14500msl and 1500agl.(and below 18000. E also covers the area above the top of class A [FL600])
Below 14500msl defaults to class G. The main exceptions are of course B, C, D controlled airports; and victor airways, which make up the bulk of class E below 14500. Admittedly there are a lot of victor airways in many areas and each being 8nm wide this makes class E appear to start at 1200agl "everywhere" and many of these areas have just been made all class E above 1200 to avoid hundreds of little pockets of G, but accurately explained this is a matter of victor airways not the true default for class E. You may also notice that there is a victor airway that enters each of the 700agl zones and that the 8mile width will generally cover the majority of the 700agl zone. The 700 agl zone is intended as a transition for IFR and flight-followed VFR from victor to approach or typical 1000agl pattern altitude, as E is in the domain of ATC and G is not. Your explanation of cloud clearance for VFR flight may be a factor but it isn't the only factor.
What about the thick hazy blue delineator for Class E airspace?
That’s crazy I do my training out of Venice lol
Great
Hey this is awesome. Well done.
On the Dade-Collier example, why do they even have the transition ring of Echo airspace down to 700? Why don't they go straight from normal Echo floor of 1200 to Echo at surface?
Two ways to look at it, one is they don't want to "take up" more airspace than they need to protect the approaches going in there, the second and more realistic reason is ATC only wants to assume liability for the airspace they have to, not any more
Ah I see. Thanks for the reply and thanks for your work, your videos are amazing.
Is Class E a controlled airspace? Would I have to notify the control tower?
That helped. Thanks
Thank you!!!
What is a special airport traffic area? Please help. I have my checkride tomorrow
Probably the most difficult and lengthy topics are meteorology and navigation on VFR
Is there a direct link to the airspace course. I couldn’t find it
Very helpful
Can you give me an example of a class e airspace starting at 14500 feet msl excluding 1500 feet agl
Where am I ? What are the rules ? Two ques i always ask when plotting a course on a Sectional.
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THis helps me, but im still pretty dumb. Class E inside the Magenta shading Begins at 700 feet above the ground right? Outside the Magenta it begins at 1200 ft agl? Is that correct? If it is correct, then what is the airspace inside the Magenta shading, 699ft down to the ground? is it G? and outside the Magenta shading, is it G from 1199 down to ground? The sectional legend, in the Class E section says "Class E with FLOOR of 700 ft above surface etc". so this leads me to believe it begins at 700ft, and not at the surface to 700ft, as I was told before by someone else.
Jon. How do you tell what the radius is from the center (airport) for the magenta ring surrounding a Class E airport? Is it only physical landmarks seen on the VFR sectional at the outer ring? Or are all magenta class e circles the same distance from the center? I heard you say that the dashed blue circle around a Class D airport had a 4nm radius, but what is Class E circle?
-Doug
Lay your plotter on the sectional chart with 0 on the airport and read where the scale crosses the circle. ;)
Class E is adjusted to suit the situation above a specific airport. Looking at a few airports in my vicinity I found a class E surface (dashed line) that was 7NM in radius and another that was 5NM radius plus a box extension out to 12NM along the main approach. The 700'+ rings might be as small as 7.5NM at a small field, to 12NM or more at airports with class D and/or tricky terrain.
Thank you for that!
Overall, a very helpful video. Thanks.
However, there is a mistake you made several times. The top of class E / bottom of class A airspace is 18,000 (or 17,999) MSL, not FL180. The horizontal airspace boundaries are defined by pressure altitude as displayed on an altimeter set to the local reference setting (QNH), not the standard setting of 29.92 in. used in the flight levels.
Does anyone know where can I find that Blue shaded circle of class E on the chart?
so the question becomes...
What airspace is between 17999 and 18000...there a whole foot there!
I cannot find anything that addresses this question directly... how does class e *outside* the faded magenta line have a floor of 1200 AGL and not 14500 MSL? I trust that it does but all I can find is that the class e floor is 14500 MSL everywhere, not 1200 AGL.
It is my understanding from your video that we do not need permission to enter Class E airspace. Is this true?
Correct
Domestic en route…? How is it starting everywhere at 1,200ft….
No offense. Starting at 1:00 you moved your highlighted mouse over the wrong symbol in the legend. You highlighted the E abuts G and then explained 700 E that abuts 1200 E. Probably an oversite.
everywhere
So what class is the airspace between 17,999 and 18,000? G?
A "best" way of describing the altitudes is class E extend "up to but not including" FL180
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So which airspace are you in at 17999.5 ft MSL?
+Patrik Jonsson echo
"up to but not including FL180" is probably the most accurate way of describing the vertical airspace boundary.
I agree it should be =FL180. But then there should not be any mention of 17,999... Altitude is a real number. ;-)
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