To think about it, Anakin/Vader showed how love could destroy the Jedi/Sith. His love for Padme made him betray the Jedi Order. His love for Luke made him betray his Sith Master.
A path to his downfall and eventual redemption. So one the main canon examples on the issue of relationships is in the end inconveniently a contradiction.
Darth Vectivus had friends and loved ones. In fact he’s one of the only Sith to not have his morals changed by the desire for power, keeping his strong moral code. He treated everyone he worked with fairly, heck when he found out the mine he owned had a reservoir of dark side energy, he evacuated all his employees because it was effecting them negatively. He died a peaceful death, after living his life as Sith Lord and studying the dark side, he was surrounded by people who loved him when he died.
@@theonionmike4151 I mean, whether or not its true, its still a "story" and that kind of story would make me want to join the Sith. If one Sith Lord can still have loved ones and be kind to others without falling to the Light Side, then I won't, right? At least, that's what someone would most likely think.
@@theonionmike4151 possibly, but I if I remember correctly, my memory is a little fuzzy. I don’t recall his force ghost as giving off the typical evil Sith vibe. He was strict with his code, like he would defiantly have no problem with killing one in order to save more, but he wasn’t acting like you would expect a Sith to act.
@@KingDerpy13 exactly right. Which is exactly why it worked for Vectivus. He wasn't truly a sith. He never studied under a sith master, he only studied from books and recordings. He never embraced the hate and desire to dominate like a true sith. A true sith does not share anything, including happiness
True. That's why the one member of the jedi order allowed to get married and have kids was a sociopath. Dude literally told anakin to get over the possibility of obi being dead because he moved on the same day his family was killed
@@robertagu5533 they wouldn't have let him. Mundi was allowed to because he was a male in a species that was predominantly female. He was allowed to have a family to help his species survive and he didn't care about them at all
Malgus murdered his lover after he realized just how much his worries for her were being a burden to his vision. She was his strongest drive but also his greatest weakness. When she had been injured in battle, it drove him mad beyond belief and gave him strength but after the battle, he was at his weakest. And so he decided to kill her, to sever that weakness, after one last kiss with her and quickly killing her, he felt immense guilt and hatred towards himself, the Sith and everything. In death she became his greatest strength because of that attachment. He still loves her and has denied himself this love because his vision could not be achieved as long as she lived. The whole thing is extremely tragic and that's what Star Wars is all about, tragedy as it is ultimately a space opera.
yep, exactly. Jedi were forbidden from emotions. Sith were ravelling in emotions. But also entire Sith mentality was about personal beneft, personal strength, purse of power. And love would get in a way of that. So if Jedi ones, who banished from love and must reject it despite their feelings - Sith submerse themselves into those feeling, only to kill their love in the end, leaving themselves with nothing, but pure hatred that makes them stronger
I always saw that story as proof that the Sith were lying about their values. Then the Sith say they value "passion" it's clear they're just talking about rage.
@@TheThirdRail As Yoda puts it. The Dark side is a quick path to power, it's seducing, it's enticing. But it ultimately consumes you. At first they value passion and everything that may bring strong emotions but as a previous comment mentions, those selfsame emotions end up getting in the way and they are left with only rage and hatred by the end, consumed by it. They are powerful but empty shells of who they used to be.
There lived a certain man in a far galaxy long ago He was pale and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow Most people looked at him with terror and with fear
Classic example is Male Sith Warrior with Jaessa in SWTOR. She always held herself back in a way because she was committed to him. Their raw passion was a source of power, but as "love" developed, she very clearly expresses no desire to surpass him, a very anti Sith notion.
I honestly think that she's just getting complacent. Which is the downfall of entire civilizations. But then again, she's allowed to indulge in so many extremes under someone that genuinely cares about her (when I play my Sith Warrior, I do) and she's content with her position at their side. So there is that too.
@@VoiceOfTheEmperor Yeah, I feel that if a Sith is to drive for what they want, and to be strong enough to not be hindered from it, then who's to say all Sith must have the same ambition? Some are content at a certain level. Some may want to have more later on, others will decide they wish to do something else, etc. Sith Code literally has a verse that mentioned chains being broken, so I mean... they can do what they want, or if they can't, get stronger through hate for that obstacle in order to overcome it. If they were both happy in their relationship and were content or ok with learning and advancing together, then that can easily be seen as a Sith ideology, even if not the mainstream one. Anyways, what happens with this couple, do you know?
@@VoiceOfTheEmperor Wow, a Sith love success story? Well, there we go, not too shabby. Being a free Sith, no Jedi restrictions, a minimalist mindset... I'd be a chill Sith in no time 😅 How about you, you going all in or just tryna be a chill Sith?
@@thalmoragent9344 The LS Inquisitor can also romance his companion Ashara Zavros. It’s really rather cute, as the LS Inquisitor is actually kinda shy behind closed doors and not having to put on his DS mask.
I’ve always been fascinated that the two biggest and most opposing force factions both had the no attachment rule(despite them being for different reasons). It makes it all the more special that it was Vader’s attachment to Luke that brought back Anakin, and that Luke would redefine what it meant to be a Jedi to improve on the old order’s flaws.
Exactly, I loved that it was Vader's emotional connection who destroyed the old ways of Jedi flawed laws and restrictions thanks to his son redefining the new order. I always viewed both orders very flawed for these exact rules.
@@darthmeta6445 You mean they're finally filling in the gap between Fate of the Jedi and whatever the One Sith comics were called? If not, you must be referring to those nightmares Luke had that one time of a world where he didn't realize his error in time to save the woman who later became his wife...
@@samueldimmock694 I was going along the lines of how the sequel trilogy (the copy-and-paste trilogy in my mind) made it seem like Luke just repeated the mistakes of the old Order, and failed to improve on… well, anything at all.
Yeah more like they'll probably acknowledge needs and desires physically but not disregard any attachments. Kinda like how Ramsay Bolton was in the GoT show when he was getting married to Sansa but was still with his mistress.
I always believed Sidious didn’t actually have sex since he viewed himself as too ‘above’ everyone else, almost like a god-complex (which he certainly had) to the point where he believed that sharing himself in any way was something no one else deserved. How wrong I was…
Well, I mean, even Valkorion / Vitiate, who very much viewed himself as a god - and had the power to back that up - had a family. Sure, he was a shit father and husband, but he did have a family. Until one brother killed the other, the surviving brother killed Valks, and his daughter and wife both end up helping destroy his ghost. But he had a family. So, yeah, having a god-complex is not necessarily a thing to keep one away from having sex.
@@olafgurke4699 Is it possible procreation made Vitiate's God complex increase because he would think his wife should be grateful to bear his children and the kids should be grateful to come from his loins
@@thirdplanet4471 Mm, I don't quite think that was it. Valkorion is a very complex character, and he didn't really look down on his family, but didn't really care either. I think he mostly viewed them as tools for his own ambitions, just like he viewed anyone.
I like Jolee's take on Romantic love and that's why the Sith hated it "Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled... but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love... that's what they should teach you to beware. But love itself will save you... not condemn you."
"Romantic attachments are forbidden." Darth Malgus: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that." **Proceeds to marry and later kill his wife when he realised she became a liability**
Jedi "Attachments are bad" Also Jedi "Two sisters running around together is perfectly fine." Apparently according to the Jedi siblings don't count as an emotional attachment.
It the master/apprentice bond... The Jedi Order was full of hypocrisies like this. This is why I loved Luke's Jedi Order in Legends. He accepted all bonds and instead just learned and taught others how to handle those emotions and helped each other deal with them.
@@CollinMcLean The Jedi profess to avoid attachments, then spend upwards of decades with a single student and form bonds with them, just look at Obi-wan and Anakin who basically spent 15 years together. Multiple Jedi have acted very rash to save their master or apprentice. Dooku even fell because one of his Apprentices died. So logically they should fear these bonds just as much and only train an individual Padawan for a short while before trading them off to a different master to avoid this. However they don't. The only rule seems to be if you trained or found them as a youngling you can't be their master once they're a Padawan, as evidenced with Plo Koon and Ahsoka Tano. The Jedi seem to place themselves above such attachment rules when its solely teaching based, even though all evidence shows this type of relationship doesn't exclude the risk of Jedi falling and is potentially just as bad. Just look how rash Obi-wan got when Qui-Gon got fatally injured, or Anakin when Obi-wan was supposedly killed in TCW. Heck even Ahsoka got rash when Anakin was hurt. So it too can be a pathway to falling. Anakin flatout saw Obi-wan as his father figure, while Obi-wan saw Anakin as a younger brother. They both formed a family style bond regardless of just being a master and apprentice. People will naturally do this regardless of it being a parent or sibling, thus the attachment isn't removed.
@@jonathanryan9946 A bond is not the same thing as an attachment. A Master and an Apprentice have a bond and when that apprentice progresses the Master releases them from their tutelage to take on a new apprentice and they likewise accept each others passing should it come to that. Obi Wan killed Maul but it wasn't for vengeance. He mourned Qui Gon but didn't allow his feelings for his former master to dictate his actions or judgement. Your own example of Dooku is in of itself flawed because Dooku could not maintain that separation. Same for Anakin who's entire character story is that of someone who frequently dances along the line between the dark and the light side. Like his obsession with Padme. And you can't just handoff an apprentice from master to master, they're a student of an ancient order not a floater on a crowded Med-Surge floor.
@@CollinMcLean By that logic, "any who can not maintain separation" being excluded, then all the prior Jedi who fell by attachments should be excluded too. You can't have that argument only cut one way. The evidence shows it is possible, so don't ignore data points that don't fit your predetermined expectations. The fact remains the Jedi Order gave a blanket policy due to a few bad apples. Yet they ignored the few who got attached to their Padawans or Masters. Which is hypothetical. This also shows bonds can become attachments, which only is futher validation of my point. Obi-wan himself did strike in anger during Episode 1, I never brought up Rebels. You shifted that goalpost and showed clear confirmation bias. The fact is the Jedi Order of the Republic era suppressed their emotions to the point of many not being able to handle them. Such as Dooku, Anakin, Barriss, Pong Krell, Quin-lan Vos, all the Inquisitors, and many many more. It's far healthier to learn how to handle these emotions and go for Luke's Legends style, baring Jacen Solo who was retconned hard out of character to force his fall and same with Tahiri Veila (and yes, it was a retcon. Both James Luciano and Matthew Stoverhave said they never saw that coming based on how they steered those characters narratively)... nearly every Jedi was highly resistant to the negative influence of attachments.
The easiest way to understand what separates the Jedi and the Sith is this: Jedi strive to serve the will of the Force. The Sith seek to have the Force serve their will. The problem with the prequel era Jedi is that they served the will of the Senate, the Republic, and Council before they served the will of the Force. This is why Qui-Gon is the truest representation of a Jedi in the films because he served the will of the Force above all else.
@@RorikH The force wants nothing more than Balance. It wants equilibrium and harmony. Unfortunately because there are organic beings that are inherently corrupt that can use the Force, it will never be in balance for long. That’s why the Star Wars will never end. The Force will never stop seeking harmony and those who warp the Force into the Dark Side into will never stop seeking personal power and unbalancing the Force. Meanwhile the Force will send Jedi after Jedi at the Sith until it gets what it wants, if even for a moment.
@@RorikH No, the Force is a mama who wants her kids to get along and find peace through balance. It's when the kids get rowdy and step out of line that the drama starts.
@@jeskerjames2938 Okay, cool, I just think I've heard that a lot of the conflict is actually the will of the Force as a way of explaining why there's so much of it.
And yet, you also have (admittedly rare) romances such as Dark Side Jaesa with the Sith Warrior where they find that their bond with each other is a source of strength rather than a weakness, as their devotion to each other drives them both to greater heights of power for the purpose of protecting each other. Dark Side Jaesa is also a rarity among Dark Siders in that she has zero desire or intent to ever betray her Master, in fact the mere suggestion is enough to drive her into a murderous rage directed at whomever made that suggestion (as one Sith found out the hard way off-screen). And then you have the romance between the Jedi Knight & Kira. So those romances are evidence that romantic relationships can actually work for both Jedi *and* Sith.
In legends a lot of contenders to the throne came from Papa Palps supposed kids. When Sate Pestage was given the right to look for a new Emperor he was killed after one of Palps b*stards tried for a power play.
8:17 - 8:32 That’s not true. Malgus tried to get away with his relationship but couldn’t thanks to his rival, Darth Adraas, and his political patron, Darth Angral, using his love to lower his status and importance during the Sacking of Coruscant due to their Specist views of Maglus being in love with a Twi’lek. Because of this, Maglus felt deep shame and anger for his relationship as he felt he was being subjugated towards a peaceful life. Something Maglus hated with all his might; peace. Thus, Maglus with deep regret held Eleena in his arms as he admitted to her after admitting to her that he loved her and letting her know it was wrong and then activated his lightsaber through her heart. Malgus never hated Eleena for her love and in fact, at the epilogue of “SW: The Old Republic Deceived” novel, Maglus hunts down Adraas and literally murders him with his own two hands for Adraas calling Eleena a mongrel. Malgus didn’t kill Eleena in cold blood because he wanted power, he realized she was his great weakness and loved her dearly. And in order to save her from his enemies torturing and murdering her, he killed to save her from that and live on in him. Messed up, but that’s the Dark Side.
Jedi Order: "No attachments just one-night flyings". Obi-Wan: "Hello there". Ventress leaves the Sith Order Obi-Wan: "Hello there". Is Obi-Wan a playboy or following the Jedi Code?
The Sith view would vary greatly. Some viewed having loved ones as a source of strength, some as weakness. but none can deny the rage that having a loved one put in danger or harmed can bring, or the fact that the dark side stems from all passions.
Agreed. Since the Sith are pretty much out for themselves most of the time, I don't think they'd give much of a damn if one disproves of them having a husband or a wife. And honestly, going after a Sith Lord's family is basically like lighting a molotov cocktail. Either they'll harness all their rage in the fiercest drive to protect what's theirs, or it gets ripped away and they're left to sink further into hatred and suffering. No matter what the Dark Side gets it's due.
*Love is a nuanced emotion, with many facets, so it cannot be as rigid as either the Light or Dark Side of the Force. This leads to a potential to draw one near or drive them away from their current allegiance.*
Darth Plagueis: "Think of it as a vessel that contains all the things to which I am devoted. All the things I love." Darth Sidious: "This may be the first time I have ever heard you utter the word." Darth Plagueis: "Only because no other term exists that adequately expresses my unconditional attachment to the creatures and beings with whom I share this place. Love without compassion, however, for compassion has no part in this."
It should also be mentioned that since the Sith see romantic attachments as a weakness they also tend to exploit them for their own gains and means. Just as how Darth Sidious exploited Anakin's feelings for Padme by offering false promises of immortality to lure Anakin to the Dark Side of the Force and commit atrocities during the Jedi purge.
While it’s entirely possible that palpatine had sex in legends, it was purposely left unconfirmed and vague if he actually did it with his concubines. The only concubine that was known to get pregnant was with another man and Palpatine’s only child was created through artificially transmitted pregnancy.
I mean, condoms exist here to be fair, I imagine contraceptives are even more advanced in Star Wars. Even then, if Palps didn't want a kid, he'd most likely """"""""""convince""""""""" any pregnant concubines to get the child aborted. Assuming he's not enough of a sicko to do that himself (and we both know he is).
A problem that I have with the whole subject, is that while Anakin’s relations were indeed part the reason for his fall, it also proved to be his path to redemption. Romantic or familiar relationships weren’t the problem. It was possessiveness, envy, lust that provided a path to the Darkside. Some people like Anakin (who was unstable to begin with) just aren’t relationship material. That and it could, just as with any strong emotion, interfere with your judgement and with your duty. What good is it to spend a few decades becoming a Jedi Master only to toss all of that away because of some family problem 10k parsecs away just as you’re most needed to resolve some important conflict or just as bad were too caught up in your personal life to think clearly on the situation at hand? And we see Obi-Wan choosing duty over love in the last season (I think it was) of the CW’s.
Anakin wasn't "unstable" for no reason though, but because the Jedi order was shit at teaching about life. Always spouting old dogmas instead of actually trying to help. Like when Anakin confessed to Yoda he was worried about his visions. Did Yoda try to help him? No, all he did was spout his usual old Jedi dogma bullshit. If Qui Gon had never died, Anakin would have never turned to the dark side, because Qui Gon was a proper mentor and father figure, which was something he never had and desperately needed.
^ This. Also, Obi-Wan would have left the order for Sabine, if she had asked. He flat out said that much. And we see how he chose duty over love by how he went on an unauthorised (at least I think it was unauthorised) mission to Mandalore to save her.
@@TheAsj97 Obi-Wan suffered tons of losses... His master, the love of his life, his order, and his apprentice... how come he never turned to the Darkside yet Anakin spent his years as a knight playing jump rope with that line?
I think it kind of depends. A proper Sith (a true believer in the Darkside) wouldn't adopt a positive form of love. Obsession, possessiveness, and intense passion are all likely avenues by which romantic expressions might arise among the Sith. But for a Dark Jedi (Defined simply as a Jedi who uses Darkside powers but doesn't embrace the pure chaotic aspects of the Sith Creed) it wouldn't be an issue.
Agreed as the male sith warrior in swtor said “There’s a difference in being sith then just rampant hedonism” Malgus killed his lover not because he didn’t truly love her, but he said “that in life she was my greatest weakness but her death is my greatest strength” As her death would give him the anger to fuel his power. Of course dark Jedi don’t have to do this because they are not as attuned to the dark side as a Sith Lord
"you must see with eyes unclouded by hate. See the good in that which is evil, and the evil in that which is good. Pledge yourself to neither side, but vow instead to preserve the balance that exists between the two." some qoute I read somewhere.
"Sith apprentices had to murder the one they were most emotionally attached to, in order to prove themselves worthy of power." Sure, whatever you say, Uchiha-san.
It's pretty funny that both the Jedi and Sith often denied themselves attachment to others because they believed it led to the other side. Jedi: It leads to possession, instability and selfishness. Sith: It leads to compassion, mercy and selflessness. Though there is truth in the middle as attachment can be a good or bad thing depending where you mental state is at.
And really, if you look at what actually happens, attachments turn Sith good a lot more often than they turn Jedi evil, and this is true in both Legends and Disney Canon. Even Anakin’s fall had more to do with the Jedi no-attachments rule than with his attachments themselves. The Jedi offered no help to Shmi (apparently, being raised away from your parents can make you forget that buying someone’s mother out of slavery is kind of important), nor did they do anything helpful with respect to Padme. Even when Anakin risked asking Yoda, his response was basically, “Everyone dies, get over it,” only phrased more nobly, which may work on a philosophical level, but it’s no help to anyone who’s actually worried about a loved one. The Jedi offered platitudes, the Sith offered solutions (albeit dishonestly). If the Jedi hadn’t been so detached, maybe they could have offered Anakin enough help that he wouldn’t have gotten desperate enough to turn to the Sith instead.
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 all they had to do is buy anakins mom from slavery and let her sweep the floor at the jedi temple. but jedi are gay and hate family. they know if they did that, he would listen to his mom over any jedi master.
@@zm1786 You're talking a whole lot of nonsense. What were the Jedi going to buy Shmi with? Did you not hear Watto tell Qui-Gon that Republic credits were no good on Tatooine?
Actually, Darth Malgus isn't as cut and dry as you imply. Yes, he killed his wife, but only after she had been kidnapped and used against him first by an enemy and then a fellow sith. He also felt very deep emotions in her death, entering the rare mortal state of oneness with the Force, and then proceeded to slaughter the Sith who tried to use her against him.
Said ennemy also being Satele Shan, the future grand Master of the order and the descendant of Revan, alongside not a simple ennemy, but arguably his archennemy, both having screwed themselves over in various battles. Seriously, the Shan were the Skywalker before the Skywalker.
There was more to Darth Malgus' love story. "He realized that Daru was his weakness just like the Jedi. He could no longer afford this weakness. Therefore, he killed his only friend and freed himself from the shackles of emotions."
Holy shit, that pic of the creeper-perv smiling Sideous while talking about his harem is comedy gold. For some reason, I keep imagining funny voices to go with it
A Padawan once asked, “Why does attachment go against the Jedi code? I love my friends and I don’t want to stop.” The Master said, “Love for our friends and attachment to them are different things. Real love is impersonal and is not bound by anything. It is happy only in others’ happiness. But attachment spoils love, because it excludes others and is blindly possessive. Extreme attachment to another person is a sort of blind feeling that tortures us and does not accomplish anything. Develop nonattachment and learn to give true, sincere love to all. You will see how this binds us to the Force, whereas attachment blocks us from It. “Attachment is not love. Attachment is that which is compulsive and limiting. Real love expands whereas attachment contracts. We must be able to hold that impersonal attitude toward everything and everybody. It is not heartlessness. It is real expansion of the heart; but when it concerns those we love, it seems to be very difficult to understand. “Allow the Force to guide your understanding and It will show you what you are meant to see; that is the key to success on the path before you. Follow the will of the Force in everything you do.”
In SWTOR the quest "Burried Power" nicely mirrors what you said: - Sith are ever fearfull of the lure of the light side* - attachment is a weakness, to easily maniputaled - thus in the end, Sith are not free-er then Jedi regarding relationships - if anything, with the Jedi you are free-er. At least you can leave the order. As long as you do not become a villain, they will not hunt you or anything. *In a way, neither side can ever truly win. Either one will give birth to the other. It is like Raava and Vatuu from Avatar LOK - even if one wins for a moment, the other would inevitably return. The only difference is how many suffer until the Light Side returns.
Also, the jedi are like siblings, aunts/uncles and cousins, most having been raised together since they were little childs, something like Anakin sibling-like relation with Ahsoka was likely quite common, either between members of equal ranks or not. The difference with Anakin and ahsoka being their reckless attitude, their arrogance and due to the war, their ruthlessness, this alongside their small difference of age (only 5-6 years) having allowed them a much stronger but also a far more sad version of the sibling-like relations between jedi.
@@shadowlord1418 The Jedi don't really suppress their emotions. They just need to be in control of them.They can laugh, they can cry, they can grieve, they can be afraid, they can be irritated, they can be angry and they're encouraged to be compassionate. They're just not supposed to be controlled by them, specifically negative ones like fear, anger and hatred. And when they have to act, they need to remain calm, but open to the world around them. If the Jedi restrained their emotions all the time, you'd never see Yoda crack jokes, or Obi-Wan show his pride to his pupil, and countless examples in the Prequel Era. Now sure it's a commitment, and the Jedi Code might be too restrictive. But no one said being a Jedi is easy. Besides, the Dark Side of the Force is a thing, and it can actually corrupt people, so there's a reason they might prefer being safe than sorry. Plus you can always leave tge Order if it's not for you. As for the Sith, I agree. When was the last time a Sith has ever been shown as genuinely happy? For people who proclaim following their passions, they generally have only three settings: Stern, angry or sadistic glee.
@@shadowlord1418 evil Jedi is kind of an oxymoron. Sure, at worse they can be colossal dicks. To be outright evil they need completely sucks at the basics of their philosophy. As for the Sith, their philosophy is inherently selfish and self-serving. Sure some can be "decent", but that's pretty much the best they can be. Luke had to stop himself because he saw that otherwise he would have fallen completely to the Dark Side, killed his father and took his place. He was so close to irremediably fall. That's why he then calms himself down and throw his saber before declaring to the Emperor his manipulations didn't work and he's a Jedi. The Dark Side kinda needs to be some insidious evil that can warp you whole if you're not careful. Otherwise Luke would be kind of an idiot for worrying about it, the Emperor an idiot to think pissing him off would be a good idea, and Vader coming back from the Dark Side would be less of an impressive feat.
Kinda ironic how the Sith advertise themselves as being free and they can do whatever they want compared to Jedi, but the only way they can really use their powers is to cut off all positive connections.
In regards to Palpatine's harem, I believe that was mostly a smokescreen. Mara Jade and other female force wielders would pose as concubines while at the Emperor's palace so no one would suspect what their real job was.
That is true as well. Who is born with Force ability should be left up to the will of the Force, not intentionally breeding to make strong force individuals. That's why the Skywalker bloodline was wiped out pretty darn quickly as it was unnaturally strong, wasn't apparently, the will of the Force for it to be carried on more than 2 generations. Anakin, Luke, Leia and Ben all gone, the latter 3 in pretty quick succession. One the Jedi was secured through Rey, who now has the books and all the teachings, and will carry them on, and the Resistance through Poe, Dameron, and the others, Luke and Leia's time was up and the force reclaimed them. Same with Ben after he turned back to the light, after killing Palpatine for the final time, with Rey, the force reclaimed his Skywalker blood too.
This is why I’d simply be a rogue force user because if your a Jedi you’d waste your lives honing emotions without true love and if you were a sith you’d be forced to live a life of selfishness and loneliness you can’t exist in either without ruining your life
Darth Bane was attracted to githany at the beginning because of her own talent for the dark side, but his attraction became more focused on the skills she could teach him. Even when she poisons bane, he is still attracted to her, he even considers her to be a worthy candidate for his apprentice for his new order. But he quickly realized she was no better than the other petty wannabe sith, that is why he did not care when she died.
Also in the book he didn’t see her death which makes more sense. i dont know if that was an error or there is some other version i just didn’t know about
@@ManInBlackWerneck it was his actions that caused her death, and he hardly seems disturbed by her death. but then again she had poisoned him a couple of days earlier and abandoned him before the final battle.
I feel like both jedi and sith philosophy would tell you that love is okay, but attachment is not. Jedi - attachment can lead you to become unbalanced due to fear of loss like Anakin or angry because of jealousy and for Sith - attachment creates an opportunity for others to manipulate you, really it's same as for the jedi, but with a little different focus.
There are many interpretations of the Sith code the simple truth however is that the capability of love is going down the deeper they embrace the dark side So Love and the strong emotions that come with them can strengthen the dark side, however Love makes you vulnerable and vulnerability is the worst thing for the dark side Sith are technically allowed to love but love leads to vulnerability and that is a weakness that no Sith can allow out of the dark sides drive to further selfish power gain and elimination of weaknesses
I agree with the Jedi about attachment. You always should strive to make the most logical and responsible choice, and strong emotional attachments can hinder the ability to reason.
Technically, he wasn't even that. Sidious was still an apprentice when he started training Maul, with Plagueis's knowledge and approval. Maul was intended as a Sith Assassin, never a true Sith Lord (since he never would've been able to play the role of Sidious's apprentice in leading the CIS).
In the legends Sidious did make him murder a whole military academy of instructors and students, including two individuals who showed him the closest he ever got as respect and kindness (and a teen crush), at the age of 15. Maul was brought up by a droid and occasionally his mater until 10, he had never known any possible relationship besides master-apprentice/dominant/subjugated. In canon, given how much he hated Sith and Jedi both before his ultimate death, it’s arguable whether he wanted to be recognized as a Sith after Sith killing everyone he had feelings to and made it impossible for him to establish any healthy connections.
The Sith are by an large psychopaths who sought enjoyment with emotions and the dive within the Dark Side. And relationships with the Sith is a ticking time bombs that will end in the suffering or death of partner, and in truth they do not fall in love rather they used the passion like a fuel like leeches.
The sith aren't psychopaths. For the same reason that psychopaths are incapable of feeling selfless love, they're also incapable of feeling hate. The sith is a religious order that worships sociopathy.
KILL THE ATTACHMENTS!!! (insert Villager News: WAR! opening here) Disclaimer: I do not want to kill the people I'm attached to, rather kill the attachment feeling itself.
Ever since the prequel movies, I've felt like both the Jedi and Sith are just bad in different ways, even though the Sith are much more flamboyantly evil. As with IRL issues, anything good can become bad when taken to an extreme. The Sith take selfish hedonism to an extreme, which is clearly evil, but the Jedi stoicism can just as easily cause them to ignore evil, which can sometimes be just as bad. Honestly, the idea of bringing balance to the force should mean destroying both institutions and balancing emotions and their attachments. I love my family and friends, and I would fight to protect them, but I'm not going to wipe out the younglings in the hopes that it will save them from some future disaster, destroying what they stand for.
I've always loved the idea that Sly Moore, the Umbaran that was always on his left in the Senate Chambers, was one of the people Palpatine had a physical relationship with. Maybe even had a kid that Palpatine would later go on to clone??
Without sounding too evil I'd encourage an intimate relationship for my Sith apprentice. The sheer amount of raw hatred and rage that would permeate from them after I murder their love in cold blood before their eyes would bring on a surge in the force the likes of which would reshape the cosmos, collapse stars and crumble entire worlds... By making it out as a sign of weakness they've robbed themselves of extraordinary power.
Yea, and what do you expect your Apprentice to do with such power ? Your bidding ? Their hate and anger isn't YUOR power. It is theirs. It is apparent that your master did not instruct you properly.
@@nobodyshome6792 Your an idiot the point of the apprentice is to kill the master. Has been since Bane. I'll live on as Naga Sadow and Exar Kun did before me. Especially if my intention is to force this power upon my apprentice. I will have researched and harnessed more of the force than Siddious to be ready for it. Then I shall manipulate his actions as a specter. Foolish of you to think morality is a concept a Sith would acknowledge. Or that we are so brash as to be unprepared.
@@chevalier6149 You're or You Are, not your. However, I digress. The point is to train the apprentice, true. The apprentice is there, in YOUR eyes to replace the master. I do not agree. The Maater should use their apprentice as a vessel, and completely subjugate their will. The job of the Master isn't to make the Apprentice's tasks easier. Which the original scenario you propose will do. As for amassing Force, again. I reiterate. Your master did a poor job of teaching you. Because the Force doesn't work that way.
I personally would love more videos about jedi/sith lore and ideologies. I would also like to see videos about jedi masters such as plo koon and k'kruhk
That seems off One could, in theory, build a twisted romantic relationship using the Sith's Master and Apprentice method.. One to have the power and one to covet the power.. the controlling possessiveness of the Master and the envy of the Apprentice could easily be twisted into a sort of mutual possessiveness via attempted murder....? Till death do them part...?
8:35 Malgus didn't really kill Eleena in cold blood though. He didn't want to do it, and yet that's how he knew he had to do it. He knew his love for her was a weakness that rival Sith would exploit. It hurt him to do it though and he used that pain to fuel his rage when he later killed his rival Adraas.
As far as I knew, it was Yoda who introduced the idea of not having strong attachments to the Jedi order. Him living for centuries and having to watch as his beloved students die of old age again and again, and having to deal with the pain of that loss repeatedly, he thought that pain of loss could push a Jedi to the dark side so he made a rule against it. Until then however, the Jedi made attachments just like any other person. And it was this abandonment of attachment that caused the fall of the Jedi order to Darth Sidious. In episode 2 I believe, there is a discussion between Yoda and Mace Windu where Mace says something about trying to hide the fact that the Jedi were losing their connection to the force from the Republic Senate. The Jedi were losing their connection precisely because they abandoned attachments. Abandoning attachments made them less empathetic and caring, and caused them to ignore the suffering of everyday people in favor of solving "big picture" problems and basically becoming lapdogs to senators. The Jedi were losing their way and so losing their connection to the force. And THAT is what allowed the arguably most powerful sith lord to ever exist to hide right under the noses of the Jedi order. Then of course order 66 happens, the Jedi are purged, and then we get to Luke Skywalker. He is told time and again by both Obi-Wan and Yoda to abandon attachments, ignore his friends that are in danger, and kill Darth Vader and the Emperor. But he does NONE of that. He doesn't abandon his attachments. Instead he strengthens them and cultivates them. He blatantly ignores Yoda and runs off to save Han and Leia. He refuses to abandon his attachment to his father than he didn't even know. He ignores the orders of Obi-Wan and Yoda and not only doesn't kill Vader and the Emperor, he throws his lightsaber down because he refuses to kill his father. And it is that attachment which redeems Vader and allows him to become Anakin again and kill the emperor. Even going back to episode 1, the reason Qui-Gon was not on the Jedi council was because he was a "maverick" in that he believed exactly what I laid out above. He believed the Jedi were too cold and distant and needed attachments. He was not just going to train Anakin, he was going to be the father that Anakin needed. That is why the fight between him and Darth Maul was called "The Duel of Fates". Because the fate of the galaxy hung on who won that fight. If Qui-Gon had survived, Anakin would have never fallen to the dark side. Obi-Wan was a great Jedi, but he was also stiff, and a ridged believer in the "current" Jedi teachings. He could never be the father Anakin needed. The best he could be was a brother. And a distant one at that, since he wouldn't dare form a real attachment. That is what this is all about. The entire Star Wars story is about how the Jedi were wrong.
This is why it was incredibly shortsighted and naive of the Jedi to merely stop at saying attachment is a path to the dark side and not elaborating or teaching what happens to someone who crosses that line.
Or just allow attachments as long as it’s clear that you don’t elevate them to too high a level. People throughout history have loved their families while still putting something greater first.
Before seeing the video, based on me having read a ton of Star Wars novels, my quick take would be that the Sith do not discourage romance, but see it as a weakness. It is a strong attachment, but it is far too easily exploitable.
If your spouse and family members were Force-Sensitive then it'd be my first priority to make sure they strong enough in the dark side to ward of assassins and shit. Most rival Sith won't send their apprentices or dark side agents to merc other dudes family members unless they're a foreseen future threat to their plans...
@@blackshogun272 If your spouse and children are Dark side users they will definitely end up trying to kill you. Then again, as a Sith you can be okay with it, as long as there is no compassion nor hesitation love is hardly a weakness.
Actually, that pretty much is the Sith. All they can do is hate, some even hate themselves for allowing themselves to fall down this dark path. As a few Legends sources and probably even some from the New Canon shows, Darth Vader himself hates himself for what he has become, but he's fallen so far down the path he feels there is no other way of life, so he just keeps doing dark things in the vain hope it will somehow make him happy, even though deep down he knows it won't.
There was a Sith Lord that was literally so hateful that he couldn't die and Darth Maul survived being cut from the fucking waist down and falling down a giant shaft because of pure unsalted hate
Nope. You clearly do not get the Sith. The Sith ARE abou Hate and Power. Look at Palpatine, and he is pretty much the Perfect Sith. Or Vitiate, he is close to an abomination of the Dark Side than a Sith. There is no salvation in the Dark Side, it eventually consumes you.
The only thing that the Sith truly fear is the Jedi, meaning their self-destructive nature often doesn't really come into play until the Jedi are pretty much dead. That, plus the fact that the Dark Side is undeniably more combat-effective than the Light Side, means that the Sith usually manage to crush the Jedi before self-destructing. They also usually had access to some sort of incredibly powerful superweapon. That said, the Sith are a joke who happen to also be the primary antagonists of Star Wars.
Palpatine having a harem in legends makes me wonder why they didn't retain that for canon to explain Rey's origin instead of saying 'hurr dee durr rey's dad's a clone that boned'
@@discountmorty213 I think it might've been when he had started to send expeditions into the uncharted regions, mainly because he had a lot of interest in that part of the galaxy even before Order 66 and the Empire.
You and the Jedi fundamentally disagreed about the nature of the Force, believing that the Light Side was the Force and the Dark Side an unnatural perversion of it, and since there is a great deal of evidence for both positions in Legends and very little evidence for the Dark Side being anything but unambiguously evil, it might be a wise idea to have a bit more of an open mind about alternate interpretations of the Force.
Movie/Show idea: a Jedi padawan and Sith apprentice (who each have no idea about the other's career choice, or "choice" in the case of the Jedi) both have to hide their romance from their masters.
Well, the "choice" regards on the era. During the Sith Empire of the Old Republic, Sith were also conscripted. Anyone who was Force sensitive was brought to Korriban, even slaves. That most of them died in the brutal trials was just a side-effect.
@@goodmind4940 Nope. She was not a padawan. She had no training whatsoever, and when she had, she was instantly a master. Damn MaRey Sue. As for Kylo, he's just a fallen Jedi. He had no Sith mentor, and was more or less just a hurt and confused kid. Not once have I got the feel of him caring about the Sith code or their philosophy.
The Jedi view on love is SOOOOOOOO stupid. Yes, love and close relationships can lead to selfishness, possessiveness, etc. However, love can also be the strongest motivator to do good, to fight for what is upright and moral, to sacrifice for the greater good. Despite how much I hate the Jedi code, I appreciate the fact that such an interesting faction exists in Star Wars.
To think about it, Anakin/Vader showed how love could destroy the Jedi/Sith. His love for Padme made him betray the Jedi Order. His love for Luke made him betray his Sith Master.
Love. A dreadful bond indeed.
So basically love is a double edge sword.
A path to his downfall and eventual redemption. So one the main canon examples on the issue of relationships is in the end inconveniently a contradiction.
this is because Lucas is both Christian and Buddhist
@@eds1942 only a Sith deals in absolutes...
Okay, you’re obviously not a Sith.
Darth Vectivus had friends and loved ones. In fact he’s one of the only Sith to not have his morals changed by the desire for power, keeping his strong moral code. He treated everyone he worked with fairly, heck when he found out the mine he owned had a reservoir of dark side energy, he evacuated all his employees because it was effecting them negatively. He died a peaceful death, after living his life as Sith Lord and studying the dark side, he was surrounded by people who loved him when he died.
Indeed. Glad I found another comment pointing to Vectivus. He was a cool dude.
So says Lumiya- a very unreliable source who was using this wonderful sounding fairytale of a sith legend to seduce someone else to the dark side.
@@theonionmike4151 I mean, whether or not its true, its still a "story" and that kind of story would make me want to join the Sith. If one Sith Lord can still have loved ones and be kind to others without falling to the Light Side, then I won't, right? At least, that's what someone would most likely think.
@@theonionmike4151 possibly, but I if I remember correctly, my memory is a little fuzzy. I don’t recall his force ghost as giving off the typical evil Sith vibe. He was strict with his code, like he would defiantly have no problem with killing one in order to save more, but he wasn’t acting like you would expect a Sith to act.
@@KingDerpy13 exactly right. Which is exactly why it worked for Vectivus. He wasn't truly a sith. He never studied under a sith master, he only studied from books and recordings. He never embraced the hate and desire to dominate like a true sith. A true sith does not share anything, including happiness
Jedi: Flings are okay, just don't get attached.
Sith: Love? Ew.
True. That's why the one member of the jedi order allowed to get married and have kids was a sociopath. Dude literally told anakin to get over the possibility of obi being dead because he moved on the same day his family was killed
Mundi things.
@@geetslys Just another manic Mundi (woah woah)
So... they wouldn't have cared about Anakin banging Padme... its marying her they'd not liked..
@@robertagu5533 they wouldn't have let him. Mundi was allowed to because he was a male in a species that was predominantly female. He was allowed to have a family to help his species survive and he didn't care about them at all
“Darth Sidious was particularly active”
*Geetsly’s I did NOT need to know that and could have gone my whole life NOT knowing.*
Yes, I preferred it when I was just thinking of it as cursed random thoughts, not actual lore
Who wrote that and why was Palpatine having sex their vision for Star Wars.
When ignorance is a blessing....
Oh my god 🤮
Gonna barf.. alot!!!
“The Sith appalled emotional attachment”
Me knowing there’s a Sith Twi’lek: *sad noises*
Let me guess, Malgus' bae?
@@michaelandreipalon359 Darth Talon
@@jamesleduke873 Ah, nevermind.
Simp lord.
Whats going on here?!
I see the Sith as the type who would have public sex parties and the Jedi as having them in secret.
*retches*
Those who preach against something are always doing that thing in secret.
Yup, LMAO
Makes me wonder know Who's orgies were more fun then...
@@robertagu5533 Neither. Jedi's will be bland, while Sith's will be painful.
“Darth Sidious used to have a harem”
The fandom: Ewwwww
AUGHH, MY EYYYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Hey it could've been when he wasn't a sith testicle
@@michaelandreipalon359 he was probably handsome when he was young. Imagine a veiny pale long thick aubergine rising tho. 🤣🤣🤣🤮😮😮
@@captainironskys4035 It's only facial damage. He could put a bag over his head. With the force, anything is possible.
@@VoiceOfTheEmperor dude it hit everywhere most likely
"Dont think about the emperors harem"
Brain "do it!"
[Internal Screaming]
*"Dew it!"
the moment you realize you just bestowed the 69th like to THAT comment XD
Psychiatrist: Palpatine's harem isn't real. It can't hurt you.
Palpatine's harem:
GUYS IM ALIVE AND PALPATINE HAS ME IN HIS HAREM SEND HELP
Malgus murdered his lover after he realized just how much his worries for her were being a burden to his vision. She was his strongest drive but also his greatest weakness. When she had been injured in battle, it drove him mad beyond belief and gave him strength but after the battle, he was at his weakest. And so he decided to kill her, to sever that weakness, after one last kiss with her and quickly killing her, he felt immense guilt and hatred towards himself, the Sith and everything. In death she became his greatest strength because of that attachment. He still loves her and has denied himself this love because his vision could not be achieved as long as she lived.
The whole thing is extremely tragic and that's what Star Wars is all about, tragedy as it is ultimately a space opera.
Finally, someone who knows he loved her and not just that he killed his wife.
Obviously it was a while back but it's still kind of weird picturing Malgus cherishing someone
yep, exactly. Jedi were forbidden from emotions. Sith were ravelling in emotions. But also entire Sith mentality was about personal beneft, personal strength, purse of power. And love would get in a way of that. So if Jedi ones, who banished from love and must reject it despite their feelings - Sith submerse themselves into those feeling, only to kill their love in the end, leaving themselves with nothing, but pure hatred that makes them stronger
I always saw that story as proof that the Sith were lying about their values.
Then the Sith say they value "passion" it's clear they're just talking about rage.
@@TheThirdRail As Yoda puts it. The Dark side is a quick path to power, it's seducing, it's enticing. But it ultimately consumes you.
At first they value passion and everything that may bring strong emotions but as a previous comment mentions, those selfsame emotions end up getting in the way and they are left with only rage and hatred by the end, consumed by it. They are powerful but empty shells of who they used to be.
Palpatine: *has a harem*
Me: *tries not to think about it*
My Brain: *"Dew It"*
he totally said that XD
He also probably said "Good good" and "Power! Unlimited power!"
“Quick Harem! We must act now! The Horniess has betrayed me, my hard on is taking over!” -- Palpatine at some point, I’m sure.
Harem: dew us
Honestly Rey being his granddaughter makes a lot more sense, probely was a quick hookup
Pa Pa Palpatine,
Sith order’s greatest love machine,
It was a shame how he carried ooooon.
XD
This just gave me happiness
There lived a certain man in a far galaxy long ago
He was pale and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow
Most people looked at him with terror and with fear
@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 But to senate chicks he was such a lovely dear
Cease
Classic example is Male Sith Warrior with Jaessa in SWTOR. She always held herself back in a way because she was committed to him. Their raw passion was a source of power, but as "love" developed, she very clearly expresses no desire to surpass him, a very anti Sith notion.
I honestly think that she's just getting complacent. Which is the downfall of entire civilizations. But then again, she's allowed to indulge in so many extremes under someone that genuinely cares about her (when I play my Sith Warrior, I do) and she's content with her position at their side. So there is that too.
@@VoiceOfTheEmperor
Yeah, I feel that if a Sith is to drive for what they want, and to be strong enough to not be hindered from it, then who's to say all Sith must have the same ambition? Some are content at a certain level. Some may want to have more later on, others will decide they wish to do something else, etc.
Sith Code literally has a verse that mentioned chains being broken, so I mean... they can do what they want, or if they can't, get stronger through hate for that obstacle in order to overcome it.
If they were both happy in their relationship and were content or ok with learning and advancing together, then that can easily be seen as a Sith ideology, even if not the mainstream one.
Anyways, what happens with this couple, do you know?
@@thalmoragent9344 They get married, believe it or not!
@@VoiceOfTheEmperor
Wow, a Sith love success story? Well, there we go, not too shabby. Being a free Sith, no Jedi restrictions, a minimalist mindset... I'd be a chill Sith in no time 😅
How about you, you going all in or just tryna be a chill Sith?
@@thalmoragent9344 The LS Inquisitor can also romance his companion Ashara Zavros. It’s really rather cute, as the LS Inquisitor is actually kinda shy behind closed doors and not having to put on his DS mask.
I’ve always been fascinated that the two biggest and most opposing force factions both had the no attachment rule(despite them being for different reasons). It makes it all the more special that it was Vader’s attachment to Luke that brought back Anakin, and that Luke would redefine what it meant to be a Jedi to improve on the old order’s flaws.
Well said. When it involves the force the user probably sees that attachments are a obstacle to greater knowledge or power. Good or bad
Exactly, I loved that it was Vader's emotional connection who destroyed the old ways of Jedi flawed laws and restrictions thanks to his son redefining the new order. I always viewed both orders very flawed for these exact rules.
As long as you don’t take into account the new trilogy…
@@darthmeta6445 You mean they're finally filling in the gap between Fate of the Jedi and whatever the One Sith comics were called? If not, you must be referring to those nightmares Luke had that one time of a world where he didn't realize his error in time to save the woman who later became his wife...
@@samueldimmock694 I was going along the lines of how the sequel trilogy (the copy-and-paste trilogy in my mind) made it seem like Luke just repeated the mistakes of the old Order, and failed to improve on… well, anything at all.
As narcissists it’s obvious relationships were allowed. Just don’t get too close or you’ll be a corpse (looking at you Darth Malgus)
I recall that one of the Sith trials involved killing a loved one
@@scoutman66 For the Rule of Two yes. And as I said relationships were allowed but if you loved someone with force sensitivity don’t get too close
Yeah more like they'll probably acknowledge needs and desires physically but not disregard any attachments. Kinda like how Ramsay Bolton was in the GoT show when he was getting married to Sansa but was still with his mistress.
@@MaestroJericho Who is this Bolton character I only know of Ramsey Sno-
Anakin after learning that both sides forbid romantic relationships: "This is outrageous. It's unfair!"
Screw this I'm making my own force user club. With blackjack and hookers!
@@darwinxavier3516 luke: "I did it dad I got black jack and hookers"
But the chosen one side does have love
Maybe that why sith and jedi die
”Take a seat master no bitches.”
I always believed Sidious didn’t actually have sex since he viewed himself as too ‘above’ everyone else, almost like a god-complex (which he certainly had) to the point where he believed that sharing himself in any way was something no one else deserved. How wrong I was…
Well, I mean, even Valkorion / Vitiate, who very much viewed himself as a god - and had the power to back that up - had a family. Sure, he was a shit father and husband, but he did have a family. Until one brother killed the other, the surviving brother killed Valks, and his daughter and wife both end up helping destroy his ghost.
But he had a family. So, yeah, having a god-complex is not necessarily a thing to keep one away from having sex.
@@olafgurke4699 Is it possible procreation made Vitiate's God complex increase because he would think his wife should be grateful to bear his children and the kids should be grateful to come from his loins
@@thirdplanet4471 Mm, I don't quite think that was it. Valkorion is a very complex character, and he didn't really look down on his family, but didn't really care either. I think he mostly viewed them as tools for his own ambitions, just like he viewed anyone.
Sex can very well be about power/domination.
Zeus was always horny so don't know why being a god or thinking yourself a god would kill your sex drive.
If I used the dark side, I wouldn't bother with the sith. If I'm evil I don't really care what some weird club thinks is against the rules.
Ironic that you’re more nihilistic about it than the order that had a guy named Darth Nihilus...
@@jordanhendrix2619 Well, Nihilus also was only a Sith by name, to be fair. To him, anyone else was just a snack. Literally.
I mean what are they gonna do? Send a fuck ton of Sith Lords to try and kill you? Maybe even team up with Jedi to kill a rogue dark sider?
@@olafgurke4699 The galaxy was his buffet stand.
@@AdeptKing Indeed.
I like Jolee's take on Romantic love and that's why the Sith hated it "Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled... but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love... that's what they should teach you to beware. But love itself will save you... not condemn you."
I kinda regret now joining Dark Side in my latest KOTOR playthrough.
"Romantic attachments are forbidden."
Darth Malgus: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that." **Proceeds to marry and later kill his wife when he realised she became a liability**
Were the Sith allowed to smash? Palpatine says "Dew It"
Jedi "Attachments are bad"
Also Jedi "Two sisters running around together is perfectly fine."
Apparently according to the Jedi siblings don't count as an emotional attachment.
It the master/apprentice bond...
The Jedi Order was full of hypocrisies like this. This is why I loved Luke's Jedi Order in Legends. He accepted all bonds and instead just learned and taught others how to handle those emotions and helped each other deal with them.
@@jonathanryan9946 How is the Master/apprentice bond a hypocrisy?
@@CollinMcLean The Jedi profess to avoid attachments, then spend upwards of decades with a single student and form bonds with them, just look at Obi-wan and Anakin who basically spent 15 years together. Multiple Jedi have acted very rash to save their master or apprentice. Dooku even fell because one of his Apprentices died.
So logically they should fear these bonds just as much and only train an individual Padawan for a short while before trading them off to a different master to avoid this. However they don't. The only rule seems to be if you trained or found them as a youngling you can't be their master once they're a Padawan, as evidenced with Plo Koon and Ahsoka Tano.
The Jedi seem to place themselves above such attachment rules when its solely teaching based, even though all evidence shows this type of relationship doesn't exclude the risk of Jedi falling and is potentially just as bad.
Just look how rash Obi-wan got when Qui-Gon got fatally injured, or Anakin when Obi-wan was supposedly killed in TCW. Heck even Ahsoka got rash when Anakin was hurt. So it too can be a pathway to falling.
Anakin flatout saw Obi-wan as his father figure, while Obi-wan saw Anakin as a younger brother. They both formed a family style bond regardless of just being a master and apprentice. People will naturally do this regardless of it being a parent or sibling, thus the attachment isn't removed.
@@jonathanryan9946 A bond is not the same thing as an attachment. A Master and an Apprentice have a bond and when that apprentice progresses the Master releases them from their tutelage to take on a new apprentice and they likewise accept each others passing should it come to that. Obi Wan killed Maul but it wasn't for vengeance. He mourned Qui Gon but didn't allow his feelings for his former master to dictate his actions or judgement.
Your own example of Dooku is in of itself flawed because Dooku could not maintain that separation. Same for Anakin who's entire character story is that of someone who frequently dances along the line between the dark and the light side. Like his obsession with Padme.
And you can't just handoff an apprentice from master to master, they're a student of an ancient order not a floater on a crowded Med-Surge floor.
@@CollinMcLean By that logic, "any who can not maintain separation" being excluded, then all the prior Jedi who fell by attachments should be excluded too. You can't have that argument only cut one way. The evidence shows it is possible, so don't ignore data points that don't fit your predetermined expectations.
The fact remains the Jedi Order gave a blanket policy due to a few bad apples. Yet they ignored the few who got attached to their Padawans or Masters. Which is hypothetical. This also shows bonds can become attachments, which only is futher validation of my point.
Obi-wan himself did strike in anger during Episode 1, I never brought up Rebels. You shifted that goalpost and showed clear confirmation bias.
The fact is the Jedi Order of the Republic era suppressed their emotions to the point of many not being able to handle them. Such as Dooku, Anakin, Barriss, Pong Krell, Quin-lan Vos, all the Inquisitors, and many many more.
It's far healthier to learn how to handle these emotions and go for Luke's Legends style, baring Jacen Solo who was retconned hard out of character to force his fall and same with Tahiri Veila (and yes, it was a retcon. Both James Luciano and Matthew Stoverhave said they never saw that coming based on how they steered those characters narratively)... nearly every Jedi was highly resistant to the negative influence of attachments.
The easiest way to understand what separates the Jedi and the Sith is this:
Jedi strive to serve the will of the Force. The Sith seek to have the Force serve their will.
The problem with the prequel era Jedi is that they served the will of the Senate, the Republic, and Council before they served the will of the Force. This is why Qui-Gon is the truest representation of a Jedi in the films because he served the will of the Force above all else.
Question: Isn't the force a messy bench who loves drama and wants there to be swordfights and space battles?
@@RorikH The force wants nothing more than Balance. It wants equilibrium and harmony. Unfortunately because there are organic beings that are inherently corrupt that can use the Force, it will never be in balance for long. That’s why the Star Wars will never end. The Force will never stop seeking harmony and those who warp the Force into the Dark Side into will never stop seeking personal power and unbalancing the Force. Meanwhile the Force will send Jedi after Jedi at the Sith until it gets what it wants, if even for a moment.
@@RorikH No, the Force is a mama who wants her kids to get along and find peace through balance. It's when the kids get rowdy and step out of line that the drama starts.
@@jeskerjames2938 Okay, cool, I just think I've heard that a lot of the conflict is actually the will of the Force as a way of explaining why there's so much of it.
@@RorikH That idea derives from Kreia's philosophy and view of the Force.
And yet, you also have (admittedly rare) romances such as Dark Side Jaesa with the Sith Warrior where they find that their bond with each other is a source of strength rather than a weakness, as their devotion to each other drives them both to greater heights of power for the purpose of protecting each other. Dark Side Jaesa is also a rarity among Dark Siders in that she has zero desire or intent to ever betray her Master, in fact the mere suggestion is enough to drive her into a murderous rage directed at whomever made that suggestion (as one Sith found out the hard way off-screen).
And then you have the romance between the Jedi Knight & Kira.
So those romances are evidence that romantic relationships can actually work for both Jedi *and* Sith.
Sidious having a harem: it’s as if 30 voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
In legends a lot of contenders to the throne came from Papa Palps supposed kids. When Sate Pestage was given the right to look for a new Emperor he was killed after one of Palps b*stards tried for a power play.
Seeing Palpatine, as Emperor, with a harem would make me want to pour bleach on my eyes as much as watching 2 Girls One Cup would.
Phrase often heard rumbling throughout the Imperial Palace when Emperor Palpatine visited his harem:
UNLIMITED POWAAAR!
“Yes, Papa Palps! Let the Hate flow thru me!”
@@UGNAvalon Does Sheev get a chubby when his concubines call him, "Master," or refer to his peener as the, "Force Rod?"
@@mprojekt72 Lightsaber, even
Kinky electric play
8:17 - 8:32 That’s not true. Malgus tried to get away with his relationship but couldn’t thanks to his rival, Darth Adraas, and his political patron, Darth Angral, using his love to lower his status and importance during the Sacking of Coruscant due to their Specist views of Maglus being in love with a Twi’lek. Because of this, Maglus felt deep shame and anger for his relationship as he felt he was being subjugated towards a peaceful life. Something Maglus hated with all his might; peace. Thus, Maglus with deep regret held Eleena in his arms as he admitted to her after admitting to her that he loved her and letting her know it was wrong and then activated his lightsaber through her heart.
Malgus never hated Eleena for her love and in fact, at the epilogue of “SW: The Old Republic Deceived” novel, Maglus hunts down Adraas and literally murders him with his own two hands for Adraas calling Eleena a mongrel. Malgus didn’t kill Eleena in cold blood because he wanted power, he realized she was his great weakness and loved her dearly. And in order to save her from his enemies torturing and murdering her, he killed to save her from that and live on in him. Messed up, but that’s the Dark Side.
Jedi Order: "No attachments just one-night flyings".
Obi-Wan: "Hello there".
Ventress leaves the Sith Order Obi-Wan: "Hello there".
Is Obi-Wan a playboy or following the Jedi Code?
Vemtress was technically not a sith, she did however learned a few thing from them (mostly murder though)
@@kamishin7135 she is basically a stronger Inquisitor except she doesn't hunt Jedi
@@haka-katyt7439 anymore
I'd love for more Videos about the Jedi and Sith philosophies please.
Meanwhile
Grey Jedi:having a healthy harem
Sooo... helltaker?
@@jamesm783 yeah pretty much.
Grey Jedi are the coolest
The Sith view would vary greatly. Some viewed having loved ones as a source of strength, some as weakness. but none can deny the rage that having a loved one put in danger or harmed can bring, or the fact that the dark side stems from all passions.
Agreed. Since the Sith are pretty much out for themselves most of the time, I don't think they'd give much of a damn if one disproves of them having a husband or a wife. And honestly, going after a Sith Lord's family is basically like lighting a molotov cocktail. Either they'll harness all their rage in the fiercest drive to protect what's theirs, or it gets ripped away and they're left to sink further into hatred and suffering.
No matter what the Dark Side gets it's due.
*Love is a nuanced emotion, with many facets, so it cannot be as rigid as either the Light or Dark Side of the Force. This leads to a potential to draw one near or drive them away from their current allegiance.*
Darth Plagueis: "Think of it as a vessel that contains all the things to which I am devoted. All the things I love."
Darth Sidious: "This may be the first time I have ever heard you utter the word."
Darth Plagueis: "Only because no other term exists that adequately expresses my unconditional attachment to the creatures and beings with whom I share this place.
Love without compassion, however, for compassion has no part in this."
It should also be mentioned that since the Sith see romantic attachments as a weakness they also tend to exploit them for their own gains and means. Just as how Darth Sidious exploited Anakin's feelings for Padme by offering false promises of immortality to lure Anakin to the Dark Side of the Force and commit atrocities during the Jedi purge.
Or like how Vestara tried to turn Ben Skywalker and failed
Jedi: Just hit it and quit it.
Sith: Homies before Ho's
More like self over homies and hoes
While it’s entirely possible that palpatine had sex in legends, it was purposely left unconfirmed and vague if he actually did it with his concubines. The only concubine that was known to get pregnant was with another man and Palpatine’s only child was created through artificially transmitted pregnancy.
I mean, condoms exist here to be fair, I imagine contraceptives are even more advanced in Star Wars. Even then, if Palps didn't want a kid, he'd most likely """"""""""convince""""""""" any pregnant concubines to get the child aborted. Assuming he's not enough of a sicko to do that himself (and we both know he is).
so maybe he was a cucc
Dude look at Palpatine's face and tell me that you think this burned, crumpled up piece of skin is fertile.
He wanted to rule forever, so maybe he used Force Birth Control?
Anyway, what's the point of a harem otherwise?
A problem that I have with the whole subject, is that while Anakin’s relations were indeed part the reason for his fall, it also proved to be his path to redemption.
Romantic or familiar relationships weren’t the problem. It was possessiveness, envy, lust that provided a path to the Darkside. Some people like Anakin (who was unstable to begin with) just aren’t relationship material.
That and it could, just as with any strong emotion, interfere with your judgement and with your duty. What good is it to spend a few decades becoming a Jedi Master only to toss all of that away because of some family problem 10k parsecs away just as you’re most needed to resolve some important conflict or just as bad were too caught up in your personal life to think clearly on the situation at hand? And we see Obi-Wan choosing duty over love in the last season (I think it was) of the CW’s.
Anakin wasn't "unstable" for no reason though, but because the Jedi order was shit at teaching about life. Always spouting old dogmas instead of actually trying to help. Like when Anakin confessed to Yoda he was worried about his visions. Did Yoda try to help him? No, all he did was spout his usual old Jedi dogma bullshit. If Qui Gon had never died, Anakin would have never turned to the dark side, because Qui Gon was a proper mentor and father figure, which was something he never had and desperately needed.
^ This. Also, Obi-Wan would have left the order for Sabine, if she had asked. He flat out said that much. And we see how he chose duty over love by how he went on an unauthorised (at least I think it was unauthorised) mission to Mandalore to save her.
@@TheAsj97 It’s was a bit more than that. While the Jedi dropped the ball here, Palpatine knew and took advantage of this.
ok
@@TheAsj97 Obi-Wan suffered tons of losses... His master, the love of his life, his order, and his apprentice... how come he never turned to the Darkside yet Anakin spent his years as a knight playing jump rope with that line?
I think it kind of depends. A proper Sith (a true believer in the Darkside) wouldn't adopt a positive form of love. Obsession, possessiveness, and intense passion are all likely avenues by which romantic expressions might arise among the Sith. But for a Dark Jedi (Defined simply as a Jedi who uses Darkside powers but doesn't embrace the pure chaotic aspects of the Sith Creed) it wouldn't be an issue.
Agreed as the male sith warrior in swtor said “There’s a difference in being sith then just rampant hedonism” Malgus killed his lover not because he didn’t truly love her, but he said “that in life she was my greatest weakness but her death is my greatest strength” As her death would give him the anger to fuel his power. Of course dark Jedi don’t have to do this because they are not as attuned to the dark side as a Sith Lord
Jedis and Sith didn't allow it so dark Jedi wouldn't allow it either...
Movies: Jedi good, Sith are bad
Reality: No one is the good guy and both Jedi and Sith have flawed, corrupting and foul ideologies and practices
"you must see with eyes unclouded by hate. See the good in that which is evil, and the evil in that which is good. Pledge yourself to neither side, but vow instead to preserve the balance that exists between the two." some qoute I read somewhere.
No... the Sith are definitely evil.
@@lanesmith1465
*But both are flawed.*
@@lanesmith1465 the Jedi are no different than the sith
@@Hinokassaudifan1 Its by Hayao Miyazaki
"Sith apprentices had to murder the one they were most emotionally attached to, in order to prove themselves worthy of power."
Sure, whatever you say, Uchiha-san.
It was an endless quest to get the sharingan
The best definition of love is self-sacrifice for the benefit of someone else. Anakin lost sight of this and is where his fall began.
It's pretty funny that both the Jedi and Sith often denied themselves attachment to others because they believed it led to the other side.
Jedi: It leads to possession, instability and selfishness.
Sith: It leads to compassion, mercy and selflessness.
Though there is truth in the middle as attachment can be a good or bad thing depending where you mental state is at.
And really, if you look at what actually happens, attachments turn Sith good a lot more often than they turn Jedi evil, and this is true in both Legends and Disney Canon. Even Anakin’s fall had more to do with the Jedi no-attachments rule than with his attachments themselves. The Jedi offered no help to Shmi (apparently, being raised away from your parents can make you forget that buying someone’s mother out of slavery is kind of important), nor did they do anything helpful with respect to Padme. Even when Anakin risked asking Yoda, his response was basically, “Everyone dies, get over it,” only phrased more nobly, which may work on a philosophical level, but it’s no help to anyone who’s actually worried about a loved one. The Jedi offered platitudes, the Sith offered solutions (albeit dishonestly). If the Jedi hadn’t been so detached, maybe they could have offered Anakin enough help that he wouldn’t have gotten desperate enough to turn to the Sith instead.
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 all they had to do is buy anakins mom from slavery and let her sweep the floor at the jedi temple. but jedi are gay and hate family. they know if they did that, he would listen to his mom over any jedi master.
@@zm1786 You're talking a whole lot of nonsense. What were the Jedi going to buy Shmi with? Did you not hear Watto tell Qui-Gon that Republic credits were no good on Tatooine?
@@decepticonxhunter4850 They used spice on Tatooine apparently.
Actually, Darth Malgus isn't as cut and dry as you imply. Yes, he killed his wife, but only after she had been kidnapped and used against him first by an enemy and then a fellow sith. He also felt very deep emotions in her death, entering the rare mortal state of oneness with the Force, and then proceeded to slaughter the Sith who tried to use her against him.
Said ennemy also being Satele Shan, the future grand Master of the order and the descendant of Revan, alongside not a simple ennemy, but arguably his archennemy, both having screwed themselves over in various battles.
Seriously, the Shan were the Skywalker before the Skywalker.
Palpatine: Has a harem
Me for the next day: I want to go home and rethink my life
There was more to Darth Malgus' love story. "He realized that Daru was his weakness just like the Jedi. He could no longer afford this weakness. Therefore, he killed his only friend and freed himself from the shackles of emotions."
Holy shit, that pic of the creeper-perv smiling Sideous while talking about his harem is comedy gold. For some reason, I keep imagining funny voices to go with it
4:42: Oh, how I smiled at those words... sadistic, but painfully true.
A Padawan once asked, “Why does attachment go against the Jedi code? I love my friends and I don’t want to stop.”
The Master said, “Love for our friends and attachment to them are different things. Real love is impersonal and is not bound by anything. It is happy only in others’ happiness. But attachment spoils love, because it excludes others and is blindly possessive. Extreme attachment to another person is a sort of blind feeling that tortures us and does not accomplish anything. Develop nonattachment and learn to give true, sincere love to all. You will see how this binds us to the Force, whereas attachment blocks us from It.
“Attachment is not love. Attachment is that which is compulsive and limiting. Real love expands whereas attachment contracts. We must be able to hold that impersonal attitude toward everything and everybody. It is not heartlessness. It is real expansion of the heart; but when it concerns those we love, it seems to be very difficult to understand.
“Allow the Force to guide your understanding and It will show you what you are meant to see; that is the key to success on the path before you. Follow the will of the Force in everything you do.”
In SWTOR the quest "Burried Power" nicely mirrors what you said:
- Sith are ever fearfull of the lure of the light side*
- attachment is a weakness, to easily maniputaled
- thus in the end, Sith are not free-er then Jedi regarding relationships
- if anything, with the Jedi you are free-er. At least you can leave the order. As long as you do not become a villain, they will not hunt you or anything.
*In a way, neither side can ever truly win. Either one will give birth to the other. It is like Raava and Vatuu from Avatar LOK - even if one wins for a moment, the other would inevitably return. The only difference is how many suffer until the Light Side returns.
Also, the jedi are like siblings, aunts/uncles and cousins, most having been raised together since they were little childs, something like Anakin sibling-like relation with Ahsoka was likely quite common, either between members of equal ranks or not.
The difference with Anakin and ahsoka being their reckless attitude, their arrogance and due to the war, their ruthlessness, this alongside their small difference of age (only 5-6 years) having allowed them a much stronger but also a far more sad version of the sibling-like relations between jedi.
Jedi suppress their emotions and sith are controlled by them neither is healthy
@@shadowlord1418 The Jedi don't really suppress their emotions. They just need to be in control of them.They can laugh, they can cry, they can grieve, they can be afraid, they can be irritated, they can be angry and they're encouraged to be compassionate. They're just not supposed to be controlled by them, specifically negative ones like fear, anger and hatred. And when they have to act, they need to remain calm, but open to the world around them.
If the Jedi restrained their emotions all the time, you'd never see Yoda crack jokes, or Obi-Wan show his pride to his pupil, and countless examples in the Prequel Era.
Now sure it's a commitment, and the Jedi Code might be too restrictive. But no one said being a Jedi is easy. Besides, the Dark Side of the Force is a thing, and it can actually corrupt people, so there's a reason they might prefer being safe than sorry. Plus you can always leave tge Order if it's not for you.
As for the Sith, I agree. When was the last time a Sith has ever been shown as genuinely happy? For people who proclaim following their passions, they generally have only three settings: Stern, angry or sadistic glee.
@@MrRemicas i have heard a few stories of decent sith and evil jedi. The darkside is not necessarily evil even luke used his anger to defeat Vader
@@shadowlord1418 evil Jedi is kind of an oxymoron. Sure, at worse they can be colossal dicks. To be outright evil they need completely sucks at the basics of their philosophy.
As for the Sith, their philosophy is inherently selfish and self-serving. Sure some can be "decent", but that's pretty much the best they can be.
Luke had to stop himself because he saw that otherwise he would have fallen completely to the Dark Side, killed his father and took his place. He was so close to irremediably fall. That's why he then calms himself down and throw his saber before declaring to the Emperor his manipulations didn't work and he's a Jedi.
The Dark Side kinda needs to be some insidious evil that can warp you whole if you're not careful. Otherwise Luke would be kind of an idiot for worrying about it, the Emperor an idiot to think pissing him off would be a good idea, and Vader coming back from the Dark Side would be less of an impressive feat.
Kinda ironic how the Sith advertise themselves as being free and they can do whatever they want compared to Jedi, but the only way they can really use their powers is to cut off all positive connections.
In regards to Palpatine's harem, I believe that was mostly a smokescreen. Mara Jade and other female force wielders would pose as concubines while at the Emperor's palace so no one would suspect what their real job was.
You know that makes sense give making spies
I always thought the Jedi had that as a rule to prevent strong family legacies(example the Skywalkers)
That is true as well. Who is born with Force ability should be left up to the will of the Force, not intentionally breeding to make strong force individuals. That's why the Skywalker bloodline was wiped out pretty darn quickly as it was unnaturally strong, wasn't apparently, the will of the Force for it to be carried on more than 2 generations. Anakin, Luke, Leia and Ben all gone, the latter 3 in pretty quick succession. One the Jedi was secured through Rey, who now has the books and all the teachings, and will carry them on, and the Resistance through Poe, Dameron, and the others, Luke and Leia's time was up and the force reclaimed them. Same with Ben after he turned back to the light, after killing Palpatine for the final time, with Rey, the force reclaimed his Skywalker blood too.
@@trekstarsam2494 Ah, so that means the Palpatine bloodline is going to end with Rey then? That's a relief.
Imagine a harem game but instead of some school boy or whatever. You were Darth Sidious. That sounds like so much fun.
I unironically will buy that shit.
"waifu wars: emperor's edition"
@@Hinokassaudifan1 For what I could tell Females were attracted to him, mainly for being the Emperor.
... I'm so not gonna try to completely remember that weird game Charlie from Eckstoo played back then.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Gotta know for research purposes
@@accalt6519 No. Tell Charlie instead.
The Sith: "Love is bad"
My Sith Warrior: "Oh no! Anyway--" **Romances Arcann**
I just wanna know: WHAT HAPPENED TO BANE'S BALL WHEN THE ORBALISK GOT ON HIM...
wtf
don't forget the backdoor XD
@@ghostnappa2012 🤣🤣 exactly!
This is why I’d simply be a rogue force user because if your a Jedi you’d waste your lives honing emotions without true love and if you were a sith you’d be forced to live a life of selfishness and loneliness you can’t exist in either without ruining your life
Well, educational and entertaining as always. Last part made me feel a little sick, but overall good video
6:48
The Video: "No Sith ever maintained a successful romantic relationship.
Me: Am I Sith?
Darth Bane was attracted to githany at the beginning because of her own talent for the dark side, but his attraction became more focused on the skills she could teach him. Even when she poisons bane, he is still attracted to her, he even considers her to be a worthy candidate for his apprentice for his new order. But he quickly realized she was no better than the other petty wannabe sith, that is why he did not care when she died.
Also in the book he didn’t see her death which makes more sense. i dont know if that was an error or there is some other version i just didn’t know about
@@ManInBlackWerneck it was his actions that caused her death, and he hardly seems disturbed by her death. but then again she had poisoned him a couple of days earlier and abandoned him before the final battle.
@@ManInBlackWerneck this guy makes up some things to be honest
I feel like both jedi and sith philosophy would tell you that love is okay, but attachment is not. Jedi - attachment can lead you to become unbalanced due to fear of loss like Anakin or angry because of jealousy and for Sith - attachment creates an opportunity for others to manipulate you, really it's same as for the jedi, but with a little different focus.
There are many interpretations of the Sith code
the simple truth however is that the capability of love is going down the deeper they embrace the dark side
So Love and the strong emotions that come with them can strengthen the dark side, however Love makes you vulnerable and vulnerability is the worst thing for the dark side
Sith are technically allowed to love but love leads to vulnerability and that is a weakness that no Sith can allow out of the dark sides drive to further selfish power gain and elimination of weaknesses
I agree with the Jedi about attachment. You always should strive to make the most logical and responsible choice, and strong emotional attachments can hinder the ability to reason.
6:11 I just realized Maul probably never did this since he never killed his closest attachment Savage Opress, so he's barely even an apprentice
Technically, he wasn't even that. Sidious was still an apprentice when he started training Maul, with Plagueis's knowledge and approval. Maul was intended as a Sith Assassin, never a true Sith Lord (since he never would've been able to play the role of Sidious's apprentice in leading the CIS).
In the legends Sidious did make him murder a whole military academy of instructors and students, including two individuals who showed him the closest he ever got as respect and kindness (and a teen crush), at the age of 15. Maul was brought up by a droid and occasionally his mater until 10, he had never known any possible relationship besides master-apprentice/dominant/subjugated. In canon, given how much he hated Sith and Jedi both before his ultimate death, it’s arguable whether he wanted to be recognized as a Sith after Sith killing everyone he had feelings to and made it impossible for him to establish any healthy connections.
"mercy is worse then love" the sith that trained you in korriban
The Sith are by an large psychopaths who sought enjoyment with emotions and the dive within the Dark Side. And relationships with the Sith is a ticking time bombs that will end in the suffering or death of partner, and in truth they do not fall in love rather they used the passion like a fuel like leeches.
The sith aren't psychopaths. For the same reason that psychopaths are incapable of feeling selfless love, they're also incapable of feeling hate. The sith is a religious order that worships sociopathy.
@@starwarfan8342 They both worship sociopathy though so yea it's literally the same thing for different reasons.
“They don’t call me ‘Papa Palpatine’ for nothing…”
*Jedi “Relationships are a pathway to many abilities jedi consider to the dark side
So what I gathered from this:
Jedi: Let go of your attachments
Sith: Kill your attachments
KILL THE ATTACHMENTS!!! (insert Villager News: WAR! opening here) Disclaimer: I do not want to kill the people I'm attached to, rather kill the attachment feeling itself.
Ever since the prequel movies, I've felt like both the Jedi and Sith are just bad in different ways, even though the Sith are much more flamboyantly evil. As with IRL issues, anything good can become bad when taken to an extreme. The Sith take selfish hedonism to an extreme, which is clearly evil, but the Jedi stoicism can just as easily cause them to ignore evil, which can sometimes be just as bad. Honestly, the idea of bringing balance to the force should mean destroying both institutions and balancing emotions and their attachments. I love my family and friends, and I would fight to protect them, but I'm not going to wipe out the younglings in the hopes that it will save them from some future disaster, destroying what they stand for.
I theorize that the grey Jedi don’t care what you do in your free time as long as you keep true balance (ex. Equal light side and dark side)
I've always loved the idea that Sly Moore, the Umbaran that was always on his left in the Senate Chambers, was one of the people Palpatine had a physical relationship with. Maybe even had a kid that Palpatine would later go on to clone??
The thumbnail makes me think palpatine is saying let's go to my place and DEW IT
Without sounding too evil I'd encourage an intimate relationship for my Sith apprentice. The sheer amount of raw hatred and rage that would permeate from them after I murder their love in cold blood before their eyes would bring on a surge in the force the likes of which would reshape the cosmos, collapse stars and crumble entire worlds... By making it out as a sign of weakness they've robbed themselves of extraordinary power.
Be careful...It could blow up in your face.
Yea, and what do you expect your Apprentice to do with such power ?
Your bidding ?
Their hate and anger isn't YUOR power. It is theirs.
It is apparent that your master did not instruct you properly.
@@nobodyshome6792 Your an idiot the point of the apprentice is to kill the master. Has been since Bane. I'll live on as Naga Sadow and Exar Kun did before me. Especially if my intention is to force this power upon my apprentice. I will have researched and harnessed more of the force than Siddious to be ready for it. Then I shall manipulate his actions as a specter. Foolish of you to think morality is a concept a Sith would acknowledge. Or that we are so brash as to be unprepared.
@@VoiceOfTheEmperor So it would seem. To someone ignorant of my true intentions.
@@chevalier6149 You're or You Are, not your. However, I digress.
The point is to train the apprentice, true. The apprentice is there, in YOUR eyes to replace the master. I do not agree. The Maater should use their apprentice as a vessel, and completely subjugate their will.
The job of the Master isn't to make the Apprentice's tasks easier. Which the original scenario you propose will do.
As for amassing Force, again. I reiterate. Your master did a poor job of teaching you. Because the Force doesn't work that way.
I personally would love more videos about jedi/sith lore and ideologies. I would also like to see videos about jedi masters such as plo koon and k'kruhk
Palpatine got... busy?
Not an image I needed...
gosh does Dooku looks good in 0:00
That seems off
One could, in theory, build a twisted romantic relationship using the Sith's Master and Apprentice method.. One to have the power and one to covet the power.. the controlling possessiveness of the Master and the envy of the Apprentice could easily be twisted into a sort of mutual possessiveness via attempted murder....?
Till death do them part...?
I’d just hope Palpatine doesn’t like the way you think.
8:35 Malgus didn't really kill Eleena in cold blood though. He didn't want to do it, and yet that's how he knew he had to do it. He knew his love for her was a weakness that rival Sith would exploit. It hurt him to do it though and he used that pain to fuel his rage when he later killed his rival Adraas.
As far as I knew, it was Yoda who introduced the idea of not having strong attachments to the Jedi order. Him living for centuries and having to watch as his beloved students die of old age again and again, and having to deal with the pain of that loss repeatedly, he thought that pain of loss could push a Jedi to the dark side so he made a rule against it. Until then however, the Jedi made attachments just like any other person.
And it was this abandonment of attachment that caused the fall of the Jedi order to Darth Sidious. In episode 2 I believe, there is a discussion between Yoda and Mace Windu where Mace says something about trying to hide the fact that the Jedi were losing their connection to the force from the Republic Senate.
The Jedi were losing their connection precisely because they abandoned attachments. Abandoning attachments made them less empathetic and caring, and caused them to ignore the suffering of everyday people in favor of solving "big picture" problems and basically becoming lapdogs to senators. The Jedi were losing their way and so losing their connection to the force.
And THAT is what allowed the arguably most powerful sith lord to ever exist to hide right under the noses of the Jedi order.
Then of course order 66 happens, the Jedi are purged, and then we get to Luke Skywalker. He is told time and again by both Obi-Wan and Yoda to abandon attachments, ignore his friends that are in danger, and kill Darth Vader and the Emperor. But he does NONE of that. He doesn't abandon his attachments. Instead he strengthens them and cultivates them. He blatantly ignores Yoda and runs off to save Han and Leia. He refuses to abandon his attachment to his father than he didn't even know. He ignores the orders of Obi-Wan and Yoda and not only doesn't kill Vader and the Emperor, he throws his lightsaber down because he refuses to kill his father. And it is that attachment which redeems Vader and allows him to become Anakin again and kill the emperor.
Even going back to episode 1, the reason Qui-Gon was not on the Jedi council was because he was a "maverick" in that he believed exactly what I laid out above. He believed the Jedi were too cold and distant and needed attachments. He was not just going to train Anakin, he was going to be the father that Anakin needed. That is why the fight between him and Darth Maul was called "The Duel of Fates". Because the fate of the galaxy hung on who won that fight. If Qui-Gon had survived, Anakin would have never fallen to the dark side. Obi-Wan was a great Jedi, but he was also stiff, and a ridged believer in the "current" Jedi teachings. He could never be the father Anakin needed. The best he could be was a brother. And a distant one at that, since he wouldn't dare form a real attachment.
That is what this is all about. The entire Star Wars story is about how the Jedi were wrong.
Yoda: ''Clap cheeks I will, attached I will become not.''
This is why it was incredibly shortsighted and naive of the Jedi to merely stop at saying attachment is a path to the dark side and not elaborating or teaching what happens to someone who crosses that line.
Or just allow attachments as long as it’s clear that you don’t elevate them to too high a level. People throughout history have loved their families while still putting something greater first.
In Legends. Sith could lose their connection to the Dark Side with love
Yes, Palpatine was ugly for a human, but still better looking than half the humanoid species in the SW universe.
Palpatine: shes for the hyperspace lanes
Before seeing the video, based on me having read a ton of Star Wars novels, my quick take would be that the Sith do not discourage romance, but see it as a weakness. It is a strong attachment, but it is far too easily exploitable.
If your spouse and family members were Force-Sensitive then it'd be my first priority to make sure they strong enough in the dark side to ward of assassins and shit. Most rival Sith won't send their apprentices or dark side agents to merc other dudes family members unless they're a foreseen future threat to their plans...
@@blackshogun272 If your spouse and children are Dark side users they will definitely end up trying to kill you. Then again, as a Sith you can be okay with it, as long as there is no compassion nor hesitation love is hardly a weakness.
09:35 Thank you for sparing us
Amen!👏🏻
The sith can't always hate each other or their enemies They need to find ways to be happy and fall in love or something else
Actually, that pretty much is the Sith. All they can do is hate, some even hate themselves for allowing themselves to fall down this dark path. As a few Legends sources and probably even some from the New Canon shows, Darth Vader himself hates himself for what he has become, but he's fallen so far down the path he feels there is no other way of life, so he just keeps doing dark things in the vain hope it will somehow make him happy, even though deep down he knows it won't.
The whole point of the sith is to hate. That’s what drives them, what makes them sith. Otherwise they would just be a dark Jedi.
There was a Sith Lord that was literally so hateful that he couldn't die and Darth Maul survived being cut from the fucking waist down and falling down a giant shaft because of pure unsalted hate
Only by turning your blood to pure salt will you find the true power of the Dark Side
Nope. You clearly do not get the Sith. The Sith ARE abou Hate and Power. Look at Palpatine, and he is pretty much the Perfect Sith. Or Vitiate, he is close to an abomination of the Dark Side than a Sith. There is no salvation in the Dark Side, it eventually consumes you.
Palpatine had a harem?
Yup that's enough internet for this year 😂
The more you learn about the sith, the less it makes sense that they ever prevailed.
The only thing that the Sith truly fear is the Jedi, meaning their self-destructive nature often doesn't really come into play until the Jedi are pretty much dead. That, plus the fact that the Dark Side is undeniably more combat-effective than the Light Side, means that the Sith usually manage to crush the Jedi before self-destructing. They also usually had access to some sort of incredibly powerful superweapon.
That said, the Sith are a joke who happen to also be the primary antagonists of Star Wars.
“The Sith appalled emotional attachment.”
Me who stuck to the single life after being dumped and ghosted twice: “Guess I’m a Sith Lord.”
Darth malgus saw his wife as his greatest weakness. And Darth Zannah had many lovers even saying she was obsessed with experiencing emotion.
Giggity
@@TSPH1992 LOL
Palpatine having a harem in legends makes me wonder why they didn't retain that for canon to explain Rey's origin instead of saying 'hurr dee durr rey's dad's a clone that boned'
probably happens during his senate years not the emperor years.
@@discountmorty213 I think it might've been when he had started to send expeditions into the uncharted regions, mainly because he had a lot of interest in that part of the galaxy even before Order 66 and the Empire.
Meanwhile my Sith Warrior in swtor flirts with anything that breaths
Love=/=Sex
I'm sure Sith had a lot of sex, but the powerful Sith wouldn't love because they viewed it as weakness.
I always had this weird thought of Palpatine being a pimp during his youth, he just got that vibe to him.
Its harder for a sith to love than it is for jedi
I was not expecting that from Palpie, lol!
It’s funny how Jedi went on about the will of the force which was neither light nor dark but they treated it like it was purely a tool of the light.
You and the Jedi fundamentally disagreed about the nature of the Force, believing that the Light Side was the Force and the Dark Side an unnatural perversion of it, and since there is a great deal of evidence for both positions in Legends and very little evidence for the Dark Side being anything but unambiguously evil, it might be a wise idea to have a bit more of an open mind about alternate interpretations of the Force.
Movie/Show idea: a Jedi padawan and Sith apprentice (who each have no idea about the other's career choice, or "choice" in the case of the Jedi) both have to hide their romance from their masters.
Well, the "choice" regards on the era. During the Sith Empire of the Old Republic, Sith were also conscripted. Anyone who was Force sensitive was brought to Korriban, even slaves. That most of them died in the brutal trials was just a side-effect.
sounds like plot of the last jedi
@@goodmind4940 Yeah, but in better. Rey wasn't a padawan and Kylo technically not a Sith apprentice, either.
@@olafgurke4699 she kinda was a padawan, and how Kylo is different from Sith except the name?
@@goodmind4940 Nope. She was not a padawan. She had no training whatsoever, and when she had, she was instantly a master. Damn MaRey Sue.
As for Kylo, he's just a fallen Jedi. He had no Sith mentor, and was more or less just a hurt and confused kid. Not once have I got the feel of him caring about the Sith code or their philosophy.
The Jedi view on love is SOOOOOOOO stupid. Yes, love and close relationships can lead to selfishness, possessiveness, etc. However, love can also be the strongest motivator to do good, to fight for what is upright and moral, to sacrifice for the greater good. Despite how much I hate the Jedi code, I appreciate the fact that such an interesting faction exists in Star Wars.
So in a way, love can help you fluctuate between the Light and Dark sides of the Force!