You forgot Darth Krayt's Order where he abandoned the Rule of Two and introduced the Rule of One over All - a Single all-powerful Sith with thousands of Apprentices. Darth Bane's Force Ghost told Krayt that his order would doom the Sith to the infighting and self-annihilation that he, Bane, tried to save it from.
@@attilathegod well Vitiates/Valkorion´s empire was mentioned in this video as the true SIth Empire! Why Vitiates empire finally collapsed after his final death is still unknown, but I think that BioWare will tell that story of the final destruction of the True Sith Empire in the MMORPG THe Old Republic! So maybe soon we´ll know how the republic finally won over the Empire after the events of the expansion of swtor "Onslaught"!
Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. *The Force will set me free.*
One major flaw with Darth Bane"s rule of two is what happens if both of them get killed without a apprentice to carry it on? The student tries to kill the master and they both die in the battle, or even just a random accident when they are traveling together. Or some Jedi have a really good day…
That’s because he perpetuated lie that the Sith were extinct after the battle of Rusan. If the Jedi knew the Sith still existed his order would’ve never worked.
@@coggnus9656 the Jedi did actually discover the existence of the sith order shortly after the rule of two was created but the Jedi who found out made the huge mistake of following zannah to typhon in order to face her and bane without alerting the rest of the council first. It was the death of those Jedi and zannah tricking the Jedi into thinking that her cousin was darth bane on ambria that truly screwed the Jedi
I really like the Eternal Empire and basically every Sith Order until the Rule of Two. They may have had some of the most interesting Sith in this time, but this doesn't change the massive logical flaws the concept has. It's like they activly tried to search for the one solution against infighting, that comes with the most drawbacks. It is seen as smart, because it worked, but it honestly had to, for the story to work.
You have to remember that the Sith are a religion based on the principle of making sacrifices to attain power for the individual. The rule of two is them putting their faith in the dark side to continue the lineage while ensuring that power is necessary to continue. While the rule might not be the smartest, it is just the kind of solution a Sith would think of.
@@elitestranger5262 Do you mean that the Sith idealize the individual, and are devoted to doing what is necessary to produce the most powerful individual? It's not strictly about self ambition?
Thomas Burke I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at. Are you trying to say that them having ambitions disregards the order being based on the principle of attaining individual power or is it something different?
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The true sith are my favorite but that's because of Tennabrae/Vitiate/Valkorian, whatever you want to call him, and that I absolutely adore the Eternal Empire and the lore surrounding it.
Geetsly's Agreed he is my favorite Star Wars character and the Eternal Empire is my favorite faction, plus I love the Knights and Scions of Zakuul and how they use the force. Knights of the Fallen Empire and Knights of the Eternal Throne are my favorite pieces of Star Wars story telling. It's not the best but it is definitely my favorite.
This idea of a sith, hiding in the outer rim, which was overlooked, building his empire, sparing his own strength and his (spoiler) death to pass his spirit to a new host, one far more powerful , is such a great idea. Vitiate hiding his real body and taking a number of hosts, each one weaker, is so good. It’s the Rise of Skywalker, but done well.
These eras are the best , when there were armies of Jedi and Sith to follow. Think the decision to only have like two sith max and barley any Jedi is just limiting the story , look at Kotor . Amazing potential story lines.
@@Vigriff the Rule of Two ended the Jedi and gave victory to the Sith. The Chosen One and the Will of the Force (and the Skywalker twins' lucky conception) ended the Sith.
"Hmmst, our constant infighting is causing us to lose. Clearly the solution isn't to stop infighting and instead kill all but 2. I am very intelligent." - Darth Bane
While "two siths" is 101 setting for SW, Bane's belief came in hard way when literally every fellow Sith ("Kaan's lackeys" as he named it) had abused & betrayed him. And Kaan welcomed him back despite his obvious animosity, which culminated in latter's destruction.
U could've mentioned the one sith which was ruled by Darth krayyt decades after the galactic civil war and even well past the death of luke skywalker. They took over territory in the outer rim and operated out of korriban with their ideology being the worship of and servitude to darth krayyt alone, hence the name the rule of "one" sith.
I came to say the same thing. No mention of Krayt and his order? Shit Krayt became the emperor of the Fel Empire for a bit, did he not? And the fact that he is a clone wars era knight and a contemporary of Anakin's?
I have some questions, what was Darth Vitiate doing while Darth Nihlius was making his reigns? Did they know of each other? Nihlius threatened ALL life of the galaxy so I'm sure Vitiate had to have had some type of input or something right? Or did the creators just ignore each respective characters existed and thats why we hear no mentions of them interacting like we hear mentions of Revan Malak and Vitiate? Just curious !!!
Vitiate and his empire were in hiding in the unknown regions at that point. The real answer is that kotor 2 which tells the story of the exile and the sith triumvirate was made by obsidian whereas the first game and swtor were made by bioware. Bioware basically ignored most of what obsidian made and barely giving explanation of what happened during the revan novel.
Pfft, Darth Nihilus could never eat all the planets, so, why care in the first place? He's just munching a bit here and there. The Star Wars Galaxy has Millions of worlds...
Basically I'm theorising here but from what we know, Vitiate was very absent minded. He was constantly silent. Sometimes even for decades. So it is very much possible he was just having one of his silent phases while nihilus was ravaging the galaxy. Vitiate also was an avid explorer of the galaxy and because he had mastered essence transfer , his soul (basically his immaterial self) could wander and explore the universe while his body was basically lifeless. Eventually though he gave up on the sith empire and left the empire all together to focus on his own eternal empire.
Excellent short history. Would love for you to go more into detail on these, & definitely cover the off-shoots you didn't. I feel like Bane's Rule of Two saved the Sith at the time but also (thousands of years later?) led to it's downfall - a theme often seen in real history.
If the sith history says anything. They were all doomed to fail eventually based on their dark nature. Banes rule of two ensured the survival of the sith and gave them the time they needed to build their power and manipulation. Even if they only got a short time to rule, banes plan came to fruition.
I personally think Revans sith empire was the best, most of Revans forces were defected Republic admirals and troopers who grew loyal to Revan over the Republic itself during the mandolorian wars....Revans following was based more on loyalty then actual hatred of the Republic, everyone revered his power...also while he was strong in the darkside he never let it control him, his goal was to never destroy the republic it was to remake it in order to withstand vitates assault...his empire and his followers were just a means to an end.
Awesome video. Love Sith Lore. My favourite incarnations would be: 1. Revan’ s Sith Empire 2. The Order of the Sith Lords 3. The Brotherhood of the Sith (Exar Kun’s Sith Empire) 4. The Resurgent Sith Empire (Post Great Hyper-Space War) 5. Old Sith Empire (PreGreat Hyper-Space War) 6. Sith Triumvirate 7. The New Sith (Not really a favourite)
@@imposterblockade1826 they tried, rumour has it that Disney along side the producers of game of thrones were to do a series or a trilogy in The Old Republic, the same rumour tells that Benioff and Weiss rushed season 8 to go produce it, but they got fired .
One key problem with the Sith was that they all were pretty self-destructive. That's because the dark side nourishes on death, destruction and suffering, which makes every organization using this power prone to turn on itself to spread all of this.
Lightsider propaganda LUL. The two Sith, Vader and Sidious, built a prosperous empire where colonization of wild space was expanded severely and where peace reigned, etc. They quite literally brought peace, freedom, justice and security to their new empire.
@@konglight4070 So the time the Sith was the most successful was when there were the least amount of Sith involved? And it's ultimate destruction was when Vader turned on Sidious
@@konglight4070 darksider apologist spotted, how so many pretend that the titular “big bad” of the entire SW universe when every iteration of them is rooted in evil acts, customs, traditions, and philosophies of narcissistic power addiction is beyond me It’s like rooting for Hitler, and no one’s dumb enough to believe he wa- huh? What do you mean there are? Nevermind.
@@donnovandalusong266 also Sith: let’s commit genocide on a scale so vast and continue to be assholes afterward Everyone in the galaxy: “no u” Sith: 💀💀💀
Darth Bane was a visionary he knew if armies of sith and empires had failed to conquer the galaxy already then they never would. Concentrating the dark side into 2 sith would ensure they had all the power and the opportunity to manipulate the republic and jedi from the shadows.
They are one of THE reasons why the Star Wars Expanded Universe & Star Wars is so cool. Arguably the best written & lored band of villains to ever exist. So fascinating.
that part about revan at 7:18 was great, most bad ass character in star wars and had one of the best character arcs too, we need a live action revan film, but disney is wary and doesnt trust the old republic and the clones wars eras for some goddamn reason, even tho its what everyone wants also great vid, the sith are very interesting and very power hungry
Probably because they can't seem to do anything right by the Star Wars fanbase. They'll be slammed because they refuse to honor all the lore that was created and only continue to hold on to the franchise in a desperate desire to milk the cash cow
As somebody mentioned to me before Disney made their first film after buying the franchise... Disney is incapable of doing Star Wars justice. No films at all would be better than what the current staff at LucasFilm/Disney would make. Disney needs to stay the fuck away from KOTOR. Sell the franchise back to George & then we'll have hope again for Star Wars films.
@@barklordofthesith2997 unfortunately that won't work, Disney didn't use a hostile takeover to get Star Wars. George Lucas sold out the franchise just so he could retire richer than he already was
@@JabezFuutonSpecialis You're fake news. Nowhere in my post did i say that Disney used a hostile takeover to buy the franchise. You're using what is known as a "strawman argument" George donated a good amount of the proceeds from the sale to charity.
Wait. Vitiate never took the Title of Darth. Marka Ragnos only made him a Lord. Vitiate jumped ranks and crowned himself Emperor during the Sith Exodus.
Yeah but Ragnos didn't make Sadow or Kressh anything and Tannebrae/Vitiate was a boy at the time. It seems Ragnos was earmarking Vitiate for something.
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 It's a rank in the game SWOR, and actually it's not certain what the meaning of the word is but that is one possible interpretation. You're view is correct in the Banite era.
@B. Jones No one knows what the name means. It's a mystery. I think it's first attribution is to Darth Andeddu. There are a couple of theories but that's all.
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 actually it’s both since the higher ranking sith during the old republic era were given the title of darth, the only reason vitiate didn’t have that title is probably because he was considered to be even higher above the dark lords. Most of the sith of his empire considered him to be godlike
The more I learned about the Resurgent Sith empire the more I thought Darth vitiate was really dumb for waiting an extra 300 years to attack. Had he attacked right after Kotor 2 the Sith would have completely crushed what little semblance of a republic their was left. The civilians must’ve been sick of war, the military was drained and the Jedi order was barely an after school club. Like I know in real life it’s most likely 300 years later so that all the Kotor characters are dead (expect not because money) and new ship classes can be made. but after all the work Vitiate did to cause the Mandalorian wars and the Jedi civil war he decides to waste it to get military information out of Revan’s head that was already outdated.
100% agree with you If the Sith Empire attacked they would have wiped the floor with the Republic. If i remember correctly there were like 7 Jedi left vs Vitiate and whatever Empire he had at the time
Something that I enjoyed about the Order of the Sith Lords was that it made it so the Sith were hard to beat in battle, as they were considered overlords and very powerful, rather than armies of Sith that were not the best at fighting.
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Vitiates Sith order is definitely my favorite although you could have gone a bit more in-depth in how Vitiates plans affected the empire. I personally don’t like the idea that the Sith Empire just collapses and fades away after the events of SWTOR. My personal head cannon is that the fighting continued until Darth Ruin, but instead of him learning from small Sith cults, he learns as the fallen apprentice of the leader of one of a number of small Sith states that sprang out after a major crisis in the Empire
Regarding this topic, what do you think of the One Sith and The Lost Tribe of the Sith. I don’t recall, but were the Sith from the Legacy of the Force books the same as Darth Krayt? We still had Vestara lurking about when OUR canon got so rudely interrupted.
I totally agree with Egie, my true canon is the combo of novels, comic, junior readers and even video game history that they tried to make sure they maintained continuity as much as possible.
Thank you very much. I had heard all these stories before but it really helped that you put them in a timeline and explained how each group fractured apart from the first 12 sith. I may be wrong but at 11:35 in the video did you mean 1010 bby and not 10010 bby?
For the last three years, very few UA-cam videos have told Star Wars lore that I didn't already know. Most of my enjoyment comes from seeing the interpretations of that same lore. I don't always agree, but most of the time. Geetly and Eckhart are on the same page as I am.
Aside from the new Sith order. I love them all to varying degrees. My top 3 would have be The True Sith Empire. (Darth Vitate's Sith order) Darth Revan's Sith Empire Then the Rule of 2. or The Orginal Sith empire.(Ajunta Pals Sith empire)
I would really love to see a surviving part of the Sith Empire founded by Vitiate resurging but having learned of the dangers of just using negative emotions as fuel for their power, so they could be more on the "grey" hopefully with pureblood sith still alive
"The Dark Arts are many, varied, ever-changing and eternal. Fighting them is like fighting a many-headed monster, which, each time a neck is severed, sprouts a head even fiercer and cleverer than before. You are fighting that which is *unfixed, mutating, indestructible.* "_ - Severus Snape, Harry Potter/Wizarding World. "To hate me is to give me breath. To fight me is to give me strength." - Vaatu, Legend of Korra "You think you have won! What is light without dark? What are _you_ without *_me?_* I am a part of you all! You can never defeat me! *We are brothers... eternal!"* -The Lord of Darkness, Legend (1985) "Always after a defeat and a respite, the Shadow takes another shape and grows again." - Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings
I like the True Sith Empire the most, sans Vitiate. Might just be because I found my time in the empire I met a lot of different perspectives on the Empire and the Sith, from my mostly Light side Inquisitor (weird I know), to the Operatives I interacted with seeing the Sith as necessary counters if the Jedi. If the Sith moderated to not be bleeding psychopaths 24/7 the empire would have done much better imo
I think Jacen and Lumiya could be counted as a brief revival of the Rule of Two, while the One Sith were basically a copy of the Old Sith Empire. Krayt was even trained by one of Ajunta Palls fellow Suth.
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Over the years my thoughts and opinions about the Sith and what responsibility for the creation of the Sith was truly property of the Jedi order have evolved. I’ve arrived at the conclusion that The Jedi, while making many mistakes, only had one true element of responsibility in the creation and propagation of the Sith. That element was contained in the doctrine and dogma of rejecting any sort of balanced view that included an understanding of what “Sithdom” was about along with a wholly inadequate treatment of the idea that the Force was not about the acquisition of personal power for ones own utilization and goals. This, in turn, led to erroneous understandings that created flawed doctrines and misapplied dogma, e.g., regarding the concepts related to attachment and the very black & white, mostly useless pronouncements, rules & regulations that developed in the Jedi order over the millennia related to attachment. There was one primal element that separated the Jedi from the Sith, the Ashla from the Bogan. That element was an un-abiding, ravenous hunger for power. It may have started off as a craving or a debased lusting after the possession of power. However, when fed as the only consideration, that hunger consumed the adherent and all around such a one, if taken to its logical conclusion. If the Jedi had consistently addressed this base nature failing from the start in teaching the first Younglings & Padawns, the need for the plethora of doctrines & dogma and the resultant patchwork of rules and regulations (insufficient bandaids used to address much more serious maladies that resulted from the Jedi’s inconsistencies and treatments) would have never developed over the thousand generations that Obi Wan spoke of the Jedi’s existence. In the end, the Sith were responsible for their own creation and the Jedi responsible for the creation of a recruitment pipeline for the Sith order based on a lack of true balance in the Force...an imbalance that created a perpetual, low-grade fear.
True Sith and Sith Triumvirate era is my favorites. That and the most modern era just after Darth Bane like Darth Plagues, Palatine, Darth Vader, and etc....
I love the sith so much, but man it pisses me off they could never get their shit right to properly rule the galaxy or beyond. The true Sith were definitely my favorite followed by Revans. But even then it was like they were better off not bothering with the Republic .
Yes, the Empires of the old Sith should have just stayed in the unknown regions and perhaps spread their influence into other galaxies. Could you imagine if the True Sith had spread into the Vong galaxy? It would have happened prior to the Vong's extermination of sentient life and biotech had taken over that Galaxy. The Empire could have potentially brought the Vong into the fold and been so much more powerful than even imagined or they could have stopped the extermination before it even had a chance saving countless species that would be loyal subjects to the Empire just because the stopped the Vong. I mean even Revan could have used the Star Forge to do the same by using the Rakatan Force Tech and combining it with the Modern Tech of the time period he could have sought out galaxies strong in the Force and took his armies there to build an even stronger Empire to confront the True Sith after their inevitable victory over the Republic as he saw it. Anyway there was so much more potential in Star Wars had they made the Sith go intergalactic rather than solely focused on their hatred of the Jedi and Destruction of the Republic.
Joshua Tayloe that’s why I like Revans empire so much....he wasn’t fighting a war just because he hated jedi he was going to war to prepare the galaxy for his true enemy (vitiate).....it’s not just because he hates jedi, he isn’t short sited/blinded by the dark side like most sith become
@@rvhw3466 I wouldn't say that, Revan was still blinded by his fear and hatred of Vitiate and the True Sith Empire. If he were truly trying to prepare the Galaxy for Vitiate's invasion then he would have stayed after he got his memories back and trained the next recruits. He would have found Mitra and helped bring an end to the Triumvirite. There were many things Revan could have and should have done if he were truly trying to prepare the Republic for the coming of the Sith Empire including as I mentioned in previous comment using the Star Forge and Rakatan Force Tech to locate other Galaxies or even other Unknown Regions strong in the Force to build an Army to stand against Vitiate. Instead he chose to follow his short sided/blindness and attack the Republic, then follow that up with returning to the Uknown Regions to attack Vitiate. In the end Vitiate still invaded and the Empire could have easily defeated the Republic if it hadn't been for Vitiate's own short sided/blindness.
Joshua Tayloe I’m not talking about after kotor, I mean pre kotor 1, Revans empire....he attacked the republic to gain the power necessary to compete with vitiate....he wanted to turn the republic into a war machine, he would have stood a chance if he had the power of the star forge and the republic under his control, but just the star forge may not have been enough, if he was really blinded by hatred he would have used the star forge, and all his loyalists and attacked vitiate before attacking the republic and planning a strategy, that’s short sited. I think he knew that him and malak alone with the power they held wasn’t enough to challenge vitiate who dominated there minds when they first arrived on dromand kaas, He actually attacked the republic as a means to an end, it was phase 1 of his plan against vitiate....he was thinking way beyond just phase 1 however....malak thought he was weak for Sparing key republic worlds, but in reality he needed the republic to regain straight through confilct...his plan was never to destroy the republic...he actually declared his empire in direct opposition to the true Sith empire.....also revan stalled vitiate for a considerable amount of time and allowed the republic to rebuild for 300 years, that stalling from revan also may have saved the galaxy.
@@rvhw3466 you're missing the point. Revan was supposed to be a tactical genius according to all accounts of the Mandalorian Wars. The moves he made upon his return as Darth Revan were not those of a tactical genius, but of man blinded by his hatred of another. There were several options he could have taken that would have had far greater impact and would have better prepared the Republic the Sith invasion. You say he needed the Republic and Star Forge to successfully stop Vitiate, so why did he not use to the Star Forge to strengthen the Republic? He could have easily used it to build ships and machines for the Republic, but he was blinded by the idea of being the leader to take Vitiate down and instead used it to attack the Republic. Regardless of his actions during those attacks the sole purpose was to unite the Republic under himself to meet Vitiate with a force he wasn't prepared for. Literally everything he did after meeting Vitiate was driven by his hatred of Vitiate, hatred is of the Dark Side and therefore he was blinded by the Dark Side. The only difference between Revan and other Sith is that Revan's hatred wasn't for the Jedi, but was for the Sith or really the leader of the Sith Vitiate.
You forgot the rule of one!!!! When Darth Sidious took over the Republic, and worked on the final dynasty which was the rule of one. The eternal emperor. But other than that. It was awesome.
The sith are like a fire. Incredibly destructive and powerful but bigger they get the quicker they burn out. Equally they can regrow from an ember into a huge fire again
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What about Vitiate/Valkorian and his empire?
You forgot Darth Krayt's Order where he abandoned the Rule of Two and introduced the Rule of One over All - a Single all-powerful Sith with thousands of Apprentices. Darth Bane's Force Ghost told Krayt that his order would doom the Sith to the infighting and self-annihilation that he, Bane, tried to save it from.
@@attilathegod well Vitiates/Valkorion´s empire was mentioned in this video as the true SIth Empire! Why Vitiates empire finally collapsed after his final death is still unknown, but I think that BioWare will tell that story of the final destruction of the True Sith Empire in the MMORPG THe Old Republic! So maybe soon we´ll know how the republic finally won over the Empire after the events of the expansion of swtor "Onslaught"!
Excellent video. The best order for me is still Darth Banes, since it atleast proved to be effective.
Peace is a lie. There is only passion.
Through passion I gain strength.
Through strength I gain power.
Through power I gain victory.
Through victory my chains are broken.
*The Force will set me free.*
Funny thing is I dont think a single order truly followed this code. They took the first 4 lines and ran with it.
@@2ndlegend125 the force should be used as an ally not a tool or meaningless weapon
@@kayladawn3855 I dont really see how the code itself states that the Sith cant use the force as an ally.
legendlegends rule of 2 ... rule if 1 and most sith are blind by selfishness
Force is Force.
One major flaw with Darth Bane"s rule of two is what happens if both of them get killed without a apprentice to carry it on?
The student tries to kill the master and they both die in the battle, or even just a random accident when they are traveling together.
Or some Jedi have a really good day…
That’s because he perpetuated lie that the Sith were extinct after the battle of Rusan. If the Jedi knew the Sith still existed his order would’ve never worked.
Plus sith left training behind so even if the died a force sensitive would find them
It’s basically operating in deep secrecy with a high risk high reward mentality
@@coggnus9656 the Jedi did actually discover the existence of the sith order shortly after the rule of two was created but the Jedi who found out made the huge mistake of following zannah to typhon in order to face her and bane without alerting the rest of the council first. It was the death of those Jedi and zannah tricking the Jedi into thinking that her cousin was darth bane on ambria that truly screwed the Jedi
@@jakealter5504 homie thats a major plot point in the barth bane trilogy. Try not to spoil it for people who haven't read the book.
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@@geetslys I think this is my favourite video on UA-cam
No... channel is garbage compared to others. WAYY too many adds in the middle of the videos that completely ruin the video’s
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I really like the Eternal Empire and basically every Sith Order until the Rule of Two. They may have had some of the most interesting Sith in this time, but this doesn't change the massive logical flaws the concept has. It's like they activly tried to search for the one solution against infighting, that comes with the most drawbacks.
It is seen as smart, because it worked, but it honestly had to, for the story to work.
Eternal Empire GANG. I loved Valkorion as a character: cool name, cool armor, cool voice, cool concept
Great stories about them too as well as amazing characters
You have to remember that the Sith are a religion based on the principle of making sacrifices to attain power for the individual. The rule of two is them putting their faith in the dark side to continue the lineage while ensuring that power is necessary to continue. While the rule might not be the smartest, it is just the kind of solution a Sith would think of.
@@elitestranger5262 Do you mean that the Sith idealize the individual, and are devoted to doing what is necessary to produce the most powerful individual? It's not strictly about self ambition?
Thomas Burke I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at. Are you trying to say that them having ambitions disregards the order being based on the principle of attaining individual power or is it something different?
Cake is a lie. There is only pie.
Through pie I gain calorie.
Through calorie I gain weight.
Through weight I gain mass.
Through mass my belt is broken.
The couch will set me free.
That’s some serious pie right there
Thought right there is called food for thought
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The Rule of Food
The philosophy of Darth Baras
The true sith are my favorite but that's because of Tennabrae/Vitiate/Valkorian, whatever you want to call him, and that I absolutely adore the Eternal Empire and the lore surrounding it.
I love Vitiate
Geetsly's Agreed he is my favorite Star Wars character and the Eternal Empire is my favorite faction, plus I love the Knights and Scions of Zakuul and how they use the force. Knights of the Fallen Empire and Knights of the Eternal Throne are my favorite pieces of Star Wars story telling. It's not the best but it is definitely my favorite.
This idea of a sith, hiding in the outer rim, which was overlooked, building his empire, sparing his own strength and his (spoiler) death to pass his spirit to a new host, one far more powerful , is such a great idea. Vitiate hiding his real body and taking a number of hosts, each one weaker, is so good. It’s the Rise of Skywalker, but done well.
Eternal Empire forever 🔥🔥
These eras are the best , when there were armies of Jedi and Sith to follow. Think the decision to only have like two sith max and barley any Jedi is just limiting the story , look at Kotor . Amazing potential story lines.
Not only that but the Rule of Two basically ended the Sith which I find it kind of funny.
Well the rule of two was flawed and perfect.
Personally the rule of two sith are my favorite but I can see the story potential of more sith
@@Vigriff the Rule of Two ended the Jedi and gave victory to the Sith. The Chosen One and the Will of the Force (and the Skywalker twins' lucky conception) ended the Sith.
I'm not first
I'm not last
but most importantly
No one asked
Finally someone gets it!
That was poetic
Lollllll
@@geetslys 355th!
I don't care what the Rat house says. This is, and will be forever, canon.
Amen to that.
Disney Canon should be it’s own stuff, besides the clone wars show
@@geetslys it should be its own stuff but based on this stuff.
AMEN TO THAT!!!
I concur
Thank you for bringing us a succinct overview of the Sith.
No problem!
The only thing people feared more than the Sith, not having the high ground in a fight.
"Hmmst, our constant infighting is causing us to lose. Clearly the solution isn't to stop infighting and instead kill all but 2. I am very intelligent."
- Darth Bane
You know that they killed the other sith because the less sith, the stronger the force for those who are left to weild it
While "two siths" is 101 setting for SW, Bane's belief came in hard way when literally every fellow Sith ("Kaan's lackeys" as he named it) had abused & betrayed him. And Kaan welcomed him back despite his obvious animosity, which culminated in latter's destruction.
@@abdullahansari437 you realize that's canon, the force for dark users is like venom. Literally canon
@@abdullahansari437 look it up
@@abdullahansari437 look up the Darth bane audiobook. It explains exactly what I'm talking about
U could've mentioned the one sith which was ruled by Darth krayyt decades after the galactic civil war and even well past the death of luke skywalker. They took over territory in the outer rim and operated out of korriban with their ideology being the worship of and servitude to darth krayyt alone, hence the name the rule of "one" sith.
I came to say the same thing. No mention of Krayt and his order? Shit Krayt became the emperor of the Fel Empire for a bit, did he not? And the fact that he is a clone wars era knight and a contemporary of Anakin's?
@@znmckague he defo deserved to be mentioned it's not like he's hard to find
I have some questions, what was Darth Vitiate doing while Darth Nihlius was making his reigns? Did they know of each other? Nihlius threatened ALL life of the galaxy so I'm sure Vitiate had to have had some type of input or something right? Or did the creators just ignore each respective characters existed and thats why we hear no mentions of them interacting like we hear mentions of Revan Malak and Vitiate? Just curious !!!
Vitiate and his empire were in hiding in the unknown regions at that point. The real answer is that kotor 2 which tells the story of the exile and the sith triumvirate was made by obsidian whereas the first game and swtor were made by bioware. Bioware basically ignored most of what obsidian made and barely giving explanation of what happened during the revan novel.
Vitiate was getting his empire ready for war
Pfft, Darth Nihilus could never eat all the planets, so, why care in the first place? He's just munching a bit here and there. The Star Wars Galaxy has Millions of worlds...
Basically I'm theorising here but from what we know,
Vitiate was very absent minded. He was constantly silent. Sometimes even for decades. So it is very much possible he was just having one of his silent phases while nihilus was ravaging the galaxy. Vitiate also was an avid explorer of the galaxy and because he had mastered essence transfer , his soul (basically his immaterial self) could wander and explore the universe while his body was basically lifeless.
Eventually though he gave up on the sith empire and left the empire all together to focus on his own eternal empire.
Sith lore is so interesting to me.
I feel the same way
Excellent short history. Would love for you to go more into detail on these, & definitely cover the off-shoots you didn't.
I feel like Bane's Rule of Two saved the Sith at the time but also (thousands of years later?) led to it's downfall - a theme often seen in real history.
If the sith history says anything. They were all doomed to fail eventually based on their dark nature. Banes rule of two ensured the survival of the sith and gave them the time they needed to build their power and manipulation. Even if they only got a short time to rule, banes plan came to fruition.
I personally think Revans sith empire was the best, most of Revans forces were defected Republic admirals and troopers who grew loyal to Revan over the Republic itself during the mandolorian wars....Revans following was based more on loyalty then actual hatred of the Republic, everyone revered his power...also while he was strong in the darkside he never let it control him, his goal was to never destroy the republic it was to remake it in order to withstand vitates assault...his empire and his followers were just a means to an end.
Awesome video. Love Sith Lore. My favourite incarnations would be:
1. Revan’ s Sith Empire
2. The Order of the Sith Lords
3. The Brotherhood of the Sith (Exar Kun’s Sith Empire)
4. The Resurgent Sith Empire (Post Great Hyper-Space War)
5. Old Sith Empire (PreGreat Hyper-Space War)
6. Sith Triumvirate
7. The New Sith (Not really a favourite)
You really know your star wars lore, I honestly think disney needs to make a show on the old republic
@@imposterblockade1826 true the old republic is my favourite but iam worried that Disney will screw it up
My favorite Sith order is the order of the Sith Lords
@@imposterblockade1826 they tried, rumour has it that Disney along side the producers of game of thrones were to do a series or a trilogy in The Old Republic, the same rumour tells that Benioff and Weiss rushed season 8 to go produce it, but they got fired .
Hey Geetsly, thanks for making my comment about the poor Lancer Battalion the comment of the week!
Always glad to feature my fan’s comments in my videos!
One key problem with the Sith was that they all were pretty self-destructive. That's because the dark side nourishes on death, destruction and suffering, which makes every organization using this power prone to turn on itself to spread all of this.
Exactly. It doesn’t matter if they took over the galaxy for a couple of years, they would be doomed to failure based off their dark nature.
Lightsider propaganda LUL. The two Sith, Vader and Sidious, built a prosperous empire where colonization of wild space was expanded severely and where peace reigned, etc. They quite literally brought peace, freedom, justice and security to their new empire.
@@konglight4070 So the time the Sith was the most successful was when there were the least amount of Sith involved? And it's ultimate destruction was when Vader turned on Sidious
@@konglight4070 darksider apologist spotted, how so many pretend that the titular “big bad” of the entire SW universe when every iteration of them is rooted in evil acts, customs, traditions, and philosophies of narcissistic power addiction is beyond me
It’s like rooting for Hitler, and no one’s dumb enough to believe he wa- huh? What do you mean there are? Nevermind.
@@konglight4070 Lol, you mean the Empire that lasted all of 25 years?
Sith species: *exist*
Jedi: no I don't think you will
Sith: and this is why we hate you
@@donnovandalusong266 also Sith: let’s commit genocide on a scale so vast and continue to be assholes afterward
Everyone in the galaxy: “no u”
Sith: 💀💀💀
So we just gonna ignore and forget the lost tribe of the sith and Darth Kryat's sith and rule of one?
Yep, it bugs me so much.
1:10
@@5idi as stated they're offshoots
Darth Bane was a visionary he knew if armies of sith and empires had failed to conquer the galaxy already then they never would. Concentrating the dark side into 2 sith would ensure they had all the power and the opportunity to manipulate the republic and jedi from the shadows.
They are one of THE reasons why the Star Wars Expanded Universe & Star Wars is so cool. Arguably the best written & lored band of villains to ever exist. So fascinating.
The Eternal empire was like the mandalorians under Mandalore the ultimate (Te ani laan Mandalor).Worshipping war and creating chaos inturn .
that part about revan at 7:18 was great, most bad ass character in star wars and had one of the best character arcs too, we need a live action revan film, but disney is wary and doesnt trust the old republic and the clones wars eras for some goddamn reason, even tho its what everyone wants
also great vid, the sith are very interesting and very power hungry
Probably because they can't seem to do anything right by the Star Wars fanbase. They'll be slammed because they refuse to honor all the lore that was created and only continue to hold on to the franchise in a desperate desire to milk the cash cow
@@JabezFuutonSpecialis fr tho
As somebody mentioned to me before Disney made their first film after buying the franchise... Disney is incapable of doing Star Wars justice.
No films at all would be better than what the current staff at LucasFilm/Disney would make. Disney needs to stay the fuck away from KOTOR. Sell the franchise back to George & then we'll have hope again for Star Wars films.
@@barklordofthesith2997 unfortunately that won't work, Disney didn't use a hostile takeover to get Star Wars. George Lucas sold out the franchise just so he could retire richer than he already was
@@JabezFuutonSpecialis You're fake news.
Nowhere in my post did i say that Disney used a hostile takeover to buy the franchise. You're using what is known as a "strawman argument"
George donated a good amount of the proceeds from the sale to charity.
Wait. Vitiate never took the Title of Darth. Marka Ragnos only made him a Lord. Vitiate jumped ranks and crowned himself Emperor during the Sith Exodus.
Yeah but Ragnos didn't make Sadow or Kressh anything and Tannebrae/Vitiate was a boy at the time. It seems Ragnos was earmarking Vitiate for something.
Nameless Somebody Darth is a title meaning "conqueror of death," not a rank.
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 It's a rank in the game SWOR, and actually it's not certain what the meaning of the word is but that is one possible interpretation. You're view is correct in the Banite era.
@B. Jones No one knows what the name means. It's a mystery. I think it's first attribution is to Darth Andeddu. There are a couple of theories but that's all.
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 actually it’s both since the higher ranking sith during the old republic era were given the title of darth, the only reason vitiate didn’t have that title is probably because he was considered to be even higher above the dark lords. Most of the sith of his empire considered him to be godlike
The more I learned about the Resurgent Sith empire the more I thought Darth vitiate was really dumb for waiting an extra 300 years to attack. Had he attacked right after Kotor 2 the Sith would have completely crushed what little semblance of a republic their was left. The civilians must’ve been sick of war, the military was drained and the Jedi order was barely an after school club. Like I know in real life it’s most likely 300 years later so that all the Kotor characters are dead (expect not because money) and new ship classes can be made.
but after all the work Vitiate did to cause the Mandalorian wars and the Jedi civil war he decides to waste it to get military information out of Revan’s head that was already outdated.
If I remember correctly, Revan was influencing him to wait.
James LeDuke yeah I know but 300 years seems like a really big stretch.
@@luckysix1015 Revan fucked Vitiate mental up. Revan is so OP
100% agree with you If the Sith Empire attacked they would have wiped the floor with the Republic. If i remember correctly there were like 7 Jedi left vs Vitiate and whatever Empire he had at the time
@@jamesleduke873 and he wanted to know how revan got free of his control
Something that I enjoyed about the Order of the Sith Lords was that it made it so the Sith were hard to beat in battle, as they were considered overlords and very powerful, rather than armies of Sith that were not the best at fighting.
Didn't expect to get on youtube right when a sith video was uploaded the force works in mysterious ways.
Dude I am glued to your videos. You are literally an Information Master. The force is strong with you 💯
Jesus Christ is Lord. Please read at least three books of the Bible. The first book of each testament and one you chose yourself. As you do practice forgiveness. It really is important;
11:47 I want a link too that picture. I have never seen a picture of Darth bane undamaged like that.
Vitiates Sith order is definitely my favorite although you could have gone a bit more in-depth in how Vitiates plans affected the empire.
I personally don’t like the idea that the Sith Empire just collapses and fades away after the events of SWTOR.
My personal head cannon is that the fighting continued until Darth Ruin, but instead of him learning from small Sith cults, he learns as the fallen apprentice of the leader of one of a number of small Sith states that sprang out after a major crisis in the Empire
Swtor isn't finnished yet maybe in a few years we will know how vitiate's Empire finally collapsed.
If WE are Lucky, then Darth desolous, who Lived one century after swtor, Got inspired by vitiate's Empire.
Or at least by cults that originated in The true Sith
Regarding this topic, what do you think of the One Sith and The Lost Tribe of the Sith.
I don’t recall, but were the Sith from the Legacy of the Force books the same as Darth Krayt?
We still had Vestara lurking about when OUR canon got so rudely interrupted.
Couldn’t agree more
My problem with the rule of two is what happens if they both die in a plane crash or something equally silly, well fuck..
I totally agree with Egie, my true canon is the combo of novels, comic, junior readers and even video game history that they tried to make sure they maintained continuity as much as possible.
Take a shot everytime he says sith
Don't
Instructions unclear, car parked in store window.
Hello there! Some Jedi Order's were as well.Thank you for entertaining!
Proud to say I've reached the point where I can identify Geetsly's by voice when clicking a Star Wars video randomly
Thank you very much. I had heard all these stories before but it really helped that you put them in a timeline and explained how each group fractured apart from the first 12 sith. I may be wrong but at 11:35 in the video did you mean 1010 bby and not 10010 bby?
the jedi who ended these dynasties deserve their own video, especially Hero Of Typhon.
When you absolutely, positively have to bleed your lightsaber crystal overnight
Who said youtube comment sections are cancer? Clearly they've never been to the Geetsly's channel.
Half of them are complaints about him not touching on their pet favorite fringe sect. :-\
This is one of the best videos you have ever made. Well done!
“I’ve been looking forward to this”
Geetsly, you are a fucking treasure my friend.
For the last three years, very few UA-cam videos have told Star Wars lore that I didn't already know. Most of my enjoyment comes from seeing the interpretations of that same lore. I don't always agree, but most of the time. Geetly and Eckhart are on the same page as I am.
I always thought you should’ve touch this topic
You know, watching this now and remembering Kotor (spoilers), it makes sense now to discover Ulic's Robes on Korriban.
Its 7.35 AM finnish time.
When i woke up and i saw your video.
I just clikked
Dang no mention of the rule of one sith? Or darth caedus?
The word *Sith* became so objectionable that even a anagram of it became a swear word.
What the sithspit are you talking about?
@@helikos1 There's only one anagram word you can get from sith: shit
@@JabezFuutonSpecialis I don't think you understand what I'm talking about.
@@JabezFuutonSpecialis " There's only one anagram"
This hits Sith shit.
Aside from the new Sith order. I love them all to varying degrees.
My top 3 would have be The True Sith Empire. (Darth Vitate's Sith order)
Darth Revan's Sith Empire
Then the Rule of 2. or The Orginal Sith empire.(Ajunta Pals Sith empire)
The good old days...when Dark Jedis were a thing...
Dark Jedi are still canonical
I would really love to see a surviving part of the Sith Empire founded by Vitiate resurging but having learned of the dangers of just using negative emotions as fuel for their power, so they could be more on the "grey" hopefully with pureblood sith still alive
Ah yea would love a video on the lost tribe of the sith. Great book. Very interesting storyline.
"The Dark Arts are many, varied, ever-changing and eternal. Fighting them is like fighting a many-headed monster, which, each time a neck is severed, sprouts a head even fiercer and cleverer than before. You are fighting that which is *unfixed, mutating, indestructible.* "_
- Severus Snape, Harry Potter/Wizarding World.
"To hate me is to give me breath. To fight me is to give me strength."
- Vaatu, Legend of Korra
"You think you have won! What is light without dark? What are _you_ without *_me?_* I am a part of you all! You can never defeat me! *We are brothers... eternal!"*
-The Lord of Darkness, Legend (1985)
"Always after a defeat and a respite, the Shadow takes another shape and grows again."
- Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings
love the picture at 7:50 could someone kindly link it
Honestly would love you know more about all 6 of them.
how about the "lost tribe of the sith"?(legends) they survived longer than all the other order's (until Luke was the grandmaster of the Jedi)
I like the True Sith Empire the most, sans Vitiate. Might just be because I found my time in the empire I met a lot of different perspectives on the Empire and the Sith, from my mostly Light side Inquisitor (weird I know), to the Operatives I interacted with seeing the Sith as necessary counters if the Jedi. If the Sith moderated to not be bleeding psychopaths 24/7 the empire would have done much better imo
I think Jacen and Lumiya could be counted as a brief revival of the Rule of Two, while the One Sith were basically a copy of the Old Sith Empire. Krayt was even trained by one of Ajunta Palls fellow Suth.
Chad Bane destroys the Brotherhood
He did learn from Revan.
Bane was the only true sith among the brotherhood
Very well done brother, bravo!!
This is a great video, however Lumyra’s Sith and the One Sith aren’t discussed in the video.
Darth Bane learned the rule of two from Darth Revan’s holocron
But Bane accomplished it
Forgot the One Sith
fyi, malak didnt "strike down" revan. revan's ship was attacked and malak left him for dead and took over.
And Revan lived... Long live Revan!
I love the Rule of two era. Not only because they were the ones who won. Their philosophy of rotting the republic is so fascinating.
It’s modern warfare. You don’t destroy your enemies on the battlefield anymore instead you kill their culture from the inside
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What about Darth Krayt's order and the rule of one?
Different things are different FROM each other, and similar things are similar TO each other.
Please do a video about Darth Krayt's One Sith. And maybe aldo about Darth Dredd tried to destroy the Sith after Krayt's death
Over the years my thoughts and opinions about the Sith and what responsibility for the creation of the Sith was truly property of the Jedi order have evolved.
I’ve arrived at the conclusion that The Jedi, while making many mistakes, only had one true element of responsibility in the creation and propagation of the Sith. That element was contained in the doctrine and dogma of rejecting any sort of balanced view that included an understanding of what “Sithdom” was about along with a wholly inadequate treatment of the idea that the Force was not about the acquisition of personal power for ones own utilization and goals.
This, in turn, led to erroneous understandings that created flawed doctrines and misapplied dogma, e.g., regarding the concepts related to attachment and the very black & white, mostly useless pronouncements, rules & regulations that developed in the Jedi order over the millennia related to attachment.
There was one primal element that separated the Jedi from the Sith, the Ashla from the Bogan. That element was an un-abiding, ravenous hunger for power. It may have started off as a craving or a debased lusting after the possession of power. However, when fed as the only consideration, that hunger consumed the adherent and all around such a one, if taken to its logical conclusion.
If the Jedi had consistently addressed this base nature failing from the start in teaching the first Younglings & Padawns, the need for the plethora of doctrines & dogma and the resultant patchwork of rules and regulations (insufficient bandaids used to address much more serious maladies that resulted from the Jedi’s inconsistencies and treatments) would have never developed over the thousand generations that Obi Wan spoke of the Jedi’s existence.
In the end, the Sith were responsible for their own creation and the Jedi responsible for the creation of a recruitment pipeline for the Sith order based on a lack of true balance in the Force...an imbalance that created a perpetual, low-grade fear.
Good analysis
Thank you for informing me on star wars as I smoke my weed
I want to know more about the Eternal Empire.
True Sith and Sith Triumvirate era is my favorites. That and the most modern era just after Darth Bane like Darth Plagues, Palatine, Darth Vader, and etc....
mmm here a question, what if the exiles never found the sith? What would become of the sith if the dark jedi didn't find their planet?
this was cool dude, thanks
What about The rule of One dynasty?
2:08 IT'S YA BOI DARTH NOX
Seriously geetsly been epic i love it
The force is not a shield to protect the useless but is, in reality, a weapon to empower the worthy!
Great vid
All went through something crazy
Could have also mentioned The Lost tribe of the sith
I love the sith so much, but man it pisses me off they could never get their shit right to properly rule the galaxy or beyond. The true Sith were definitely my favorite followed by Revans. But even then it was like they were better off not bothering with the Republic .
Yes, the Empires of the old Sith should have just stayed in the unknown regions and perhaps spread their influence into other galaxies. Could you imagine if the True Sith had spread into the Vong galaxy? It would have happened prior to the Vong's extermination of sentient life and biotech had taken over that Galaxy. The Empire could have potentially brought the Vong into the fold and been so much more powerful than even imagined or they could have stopped the extermination before it even had a chance saving countless species that would be loyal subjects to the Empire just because the stopped the Vong. I mean even Revan could have used the Star Forge to do the same by using the Rakatan Force Tech and combining it with the Modern Tech of the time period he could have sought out galaxies strong in the Force and took his armies there to build an even stronger Empire to confront the True Sith after their inevitable victory over the Republic as he saw it. Anyway there was so much more potential in Star Wars had they made the Sith go intergalactic rather than solely focused on their hatred of the Jedi and Destruction of the Republic.
Joshua Tayloe that’s why I like Revans empire so much....he wasn’t fighting a war just because he hated jedi he was going to war to prepare the galaxy for his true enemy (vitiate).....it’s not just because he hates jedi, he isn’t short sited/blinded by the dark side like most sith become
@@rvhw3466 I wouldn't say that, Revan was still blinded by his fear and hatred of Vitiate and the True Sith Empire. If he were truly trying to prepare the Galaxy for Vitiate's invasion then he would have stayed after he got his memories back and trained the next recruits. He would have found Mitra and helped bring an end to the Triumvirite. There were many things Revan could have and should have done if he were truly trying to prepare the Republic for the coming of the Sith Empire including as I mentioned in previous comment using the Star Forge and Rakatan Force Tech to locate other Galaxies or even other Unknown Regions strong in the Force to build an Army to stand against Vitiate. Instead he chose to follow his short sided/blindness and attack the Republic, then follow that up with returning to the Uknown Regions to attack Vitiate. In the end Vitiate still invaded and the Empire could have easily defeated the Republic if it hadn't been for Vitiate's own short sided/blindness.
Joshua Tayloe I’m not talking about after kotor, I mean pre kotor 1, Revans empire....he attacked the republic to gain the power necessary to compete with vitiate....he wanted to turn the republic into a war machine, he would have stood a chance if he had the power of the star forge and the republic under his control, but just the star forge may not have been enough, if he was really blinded by hatred he would have used the star forge, and all his loyalists and attacked vitiate before attacking the republic and planning a strategy, that’s short sited. I think he knew that him and malak alone with the power they held wasn’t enough to challenge vitiate who dominated there minds when they first arrived on dromand kaas, He actually attacked the republic as a means to an end, it was phase 1 of his plan against vitiate....he was thinking way beyond just phase 1 however....malak thought he was weak for Sparing key republic worlds, but in reality he needed the republic to regain straight through confilct...his plan was never to destroy the republic...he actually declared his empire in direct opposition to the true Sith empire.....also revan stalled vitiate for a considerable amount of time and allowed the republic to rebuild for 300 years, that stalling from revan also may have saved the galaxy.
@@rvhw3466 you're missing the point. Revan was supposed to be a tactical genius according to all accounts of the Mandalorian Wars. The moves he made upon his return as Darth Revan were not those of a tactical genius, but of man blinded by his hatred of another. There were several options he could have taken that would have had far greater impact and would have better prepared the Republic the Sith invasion. You say he needed the Republic and Star Forge to successfully stop Vitiate, so why did he not use to the Star Forge to strengthen the Republic? He could have easily used it to build ships and machines for the Republic, but he was blinded by the idea of being the leader to take Vitiate down and instead used it to attack the Republic. Regardless of his actions during those attacks the sole purpose was to unite the Republic under himself to meet Vitiate with a force he wasn't prepared for. Literally everything he did after meeting Vitiate was driven by his hatred of Vitiate, hatred is of the Dark Side and therefore he was blinded by the Dark Side. The only difference between Revan and other Sith is that Revan's hatred wasn't for the Jedi, but was for the Sith or really the leader of the Sith Vitiate.
Thank u bro I will join next Payday
You forgot the rule of one!!!! When Darth Sidious took over the Republic, and worked on the final dynasty which was the rule of one. The eternal emperor. But other than that. It was awesome.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the One Sith or the Lost Tribe of Sith
The sith are like a fire. Incredibly destructive and powerful but bigger they get the quicker they burn out. Equally they can regrow from an ember into a huge fire again
Ho often can you say Sith in one video
Geetslys: yes
'Sithiness' is my new favorite word
So much Sithery! LoL. Nice
Each sith empire learned from the ones before it, and lasted longer and stronger each time
What background music did u use in the Jesse out video
Why did you stop and not mention post-Palpatine Sith?
Very interesting to learn!
Lovely video!!
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