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  • @Xemo
    @Xemo Рік тому +767

    Thanks Aegis! After watching this video, my car got stolen, my house blew up, and my wife filed for divorce. But what does that matter when I now can build my Hunter for Day 1 Crota's End!

    • @ShepardRockstar
      @ShepardRockstar Рік тому +34

      All that means is more time to play destiny and more money to spend on destiny

    • @sourceenginemod
      @sourceenginemod Рік тому +8

      so your single righT?

    • @SyncedIceClimbersSSBU
      @SyncedIceClimbersSSBU Рік тому +11

      So are you gonna get worlds first solo flawless?

    • @FW_LXNELY_WZ3
      @FW_LXNELY_WZ3 Рік тому +1

      Ok John wick

    • @alaggz9609
      @alaggz9609 Рік тому +14

      Thank you Xemo for giving me Woven Mail, providing an additional 55% DR on top of my 100 resilience before my dad hit me with his belt, it barely hurts now!

  • @sherpagoolsbee8390
    @sherpagoolsbee8390 Рік тому +61

    You and your team just increased the community's damage by 20%. Thanks for the hard work.

  • @TheAegisRelic
    @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +112

    Edit: Since a lot of people are asking, I'd like to clarify something about BnS vs. Bipod, since I glazed over this a little when recording this live:
    Bait and Switch and Bipod have similar total damage numbers, especially when you consider that you are almost definitely not getting all 8 reserve rockets with BnS off on day 1 without using RDMs, which aren't really the best pick on day 1 for most players. While "dump all heavy then dump special" is a legitimate damage strategy, a lot of the reason I make videos like this is is in response to players requesting more reasonable, uniform damage rotations that will leave you with a more even distribution of ammo at the end of every phase. That's another reason why Bipod is more consistent: it syncs up a lot cleaner with weapons with longer firing times like the FTTC IKELOS and The Eremite. As soon as you try to extend a rotation to cover a phase longer than 20s, the worse BnS becomes without dumping upfront. That being said, am I swearing off BnS for this day 1? Absolutely not. Given how the leveling system has changed this season, I'd be a fool not to bring both rolls into this day 1. While I may have been more one-sided in the video, my official suggestion is bringing both rolls into the raid, and seeing which one better suits the encounter at hand. Long phases where sustained fusion/sniper fire is going to be valued? Traversal encounter with large groups of minibosses beforehand? Bipod is your guy. Short, burst phases where you can't dump Bipod as easily within your damage window? Bait and Switch is probably the way to go.
    ---
    At 15:17 I've corrected the Bipod total damage number, so it now sits at around 2.22M - I still think Bipod is the safer pick for a day 1 environment IF you are using a more extended rotation which is more appropriate for a 30+s damage phase. If your loadout is capable of dumping at least half your rockets within the first BnS proc, then Bait might be a better idea, but otherwise Bipod is the safer, more consistent pick. Crafting both is a good idea regardless of the end result, and it's easier than ever to have two rockets leveled :)

    • @atsukana1704
      @atsukana1704 Рік тому +3

      If we use a rotation like that it would be better to use foetracer as a swap after star eaters right? That way you can run three kinetic surges and still have x4 surges on your rocket and sniper.
      This would likely be higher total damage

    • @frakiswerd
      @frakiswerd Рік тому +3

      if BnS has higher total anyway then whats the point of the extended reserves?

    • @SalemSaif1992
      @SalemSaif1992 Рік тому +1

      How much of a difference in dps would a Braytech Osprey with field prep + bipod be compared to an Apex predator with recon + bipod? And great video!

    • @Purple-Duck
      @Purple-Duck Рік тому +1

      Do you get more ammo per brick from bipod because of the extra reserves?

    • @subzero4190295
      @subzero4190295 Рік тому +1

      Leveled yes, but what about enhanced??

  • @deac542
    @deac542 Рік тому +46

    Hey aegis, recently you’ve been blowing up in the destiny community. Keep putting in the hard work that you have the past few months, it will definitely pay off.❤

  • @alexanderspassov4759
    @alexanderspassov4759 Рік тому +52

    Youre becoming my favorite D2 Ytuber. There just isnt a channel quite like yours in the space. Lots of great info and insights that other channels nvr get into or try and fail to.

    • @shadow-xg6sp
      @shadow-xg6sp Рік тому

      i agree he is infact becoming my fav youtuber

  • @Hardrive2677
    @Hardrive2677 Рік тому +24

    Best Destiny content on UA-cam idk why it took this long for someone to make in depth videos like this.

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 Рік тому +6

      The secret GOAT here is A2TC's health bar damage testing tool. Wipe screen/ingame displayed damage has been notoriously inaccurate for a long time, so having a better way to actually measure things made stuff possible.
      This takes away absolutely nothing from Aegis' work, of course! Just want to credit A2TC too.

  • @brindogg
    @brindogg Рік тому +77

    My problem with bipod on a contest raid is the fact that after the first phase, as 99% of teams arnt gona 1 phase on contest, the amount of anmo needed to refill reserves fully is too high to be consistent without aeons or cenotaph, which require a higher amount of major enemies and coordination from teammates, whereas bait and switch only requires 7-9 instead of 12-14. So if you dont fully top off ammo for the second dmg phase, your dps is gona fall off a cliff

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +47

      The main reason I'm so comfortable recommending Bipod here is because D1 CE strongly suggests a huge presence of Cenotaph/Aeon-viable targets in every encounter, on top of Bipod rotations shifting the balance towards your other weapons rather than eating up your rockets upfront unlike BnS.
      Very valid points nonetheless!

    • @greenlukesky4615
      @greenlukesky4615 Рік тому +3

      Pretty much what aegis said, but you also have the ability to have players run something like a sunshot build that drops finders in less than 20 kills. Thinking about the amount of low tier adds expected in the raid, it still should hold fine

    • @arakemi1080
      @arakemi1080 Рік тому +1

      ​@@greenlukesky4615frankly, that would be possible if teammates don't end up killing all the ads so they actually count towards that finder meter.
      Like you'd be good to go with 2 ammo makers if you let them kill all the ads and such, but we all know most teams won't do that so I just wish luck upon everyone who does this.

    • @greenlukesky4615
      @greenlukesky4615 Рік тому

      @@arakemi1080 well we’re a very well coordinated team and have used such methods before. And the double special users will likely be on say sniper shotty or sniper trace

    • @arakemi1080
      @arakemi1080 Рік тому

      @@greenlukesky4615 well in your case, youll probably have plenty of ammo.
      but in cases like mine, my team will most likely run builds that arent focused around one thing

  • @-Invncible
    @-Invncible Рік тому +20

    this is a channel that's going to get very large very fast Aegis prepare yourself

    • @Jonononon
      @Jonononon Рік тому +1

      Oof I don’t know if being popular in the destiny community is a good thing

  • @AlucardOnYT
    @AlucardOnYT Рік тому +6

    Incredibly well structured video as always. Clear, concise and an absolute treat to follow along with, keep it up and I guarantee you’ll make it big ❤

  • @ErianasVow
    @ErianasVow Рік тому +33

    I approve of the Eriana's Vow pick

    • @KO-2201
      @KO-2201 Рік тому +8

      Very fitting, but imma use xenophage so Omar Agah can get his revenge on Crota.

  • @ElMigol_
    @ElMigol_ Рік тому +9

    Thank you so much for all this guides, I finally feel actually prepared for a day 1 raid after like 3 yearls lol. Also thank you so much for the step by step explanation on the rotations, that's something almost no one does.

  • @JColli998
    @JColli998 Рік тому +40

    Babe wake up, a 4th video from Aegis

    • @Syffx.
      @Syffx. Рік тому +1

      Babe wake up, JColli998 commented for a fourth time

    • @koraysahin8778
      @koraysahin8778 Рік тому +1

      babe, you woke me up 3 times today already

  • @matthewglover6983
    @matthewglover6983 Рік тому +1

    Getting back into Destiny after a long hiatus - extremely excited for the return of my favorite raid from the franchise.
    This was a timely suggestion from UA-cam’s algorithm, great video, subbed :)

  • @alexanderspassov4759
    @alexanderspassov4759 Рік тому +2

    Just realized you pumped out like 4 vids today. You are the GOAT

  • @kalebnell6937
    @kalebnell6937 Рік тому +14

    Witherhoard is absolutely worth running if there are multiple malfeasance hunters on your dps crew!

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +5

      Yep it's absolutely worth running one (I've mentioned this) for damage if you have Malf hunters

    • @jj2wowetc
      @jj2wowetc Рік тому

      How many Malf hunters would be your breaking point for mixing in a Wither? My team is currently planning on 2 Malf hunters. Our testing so far has not yielded great results for comparisons. @@TheAegisRelic

  • @jackconover5455
    @jackconover5455 Рік тому

    Keep up the good work man, I love what you're doing in the community, im here all the way for you to get you big.

  • @hydractra
    @hydractra Рік тому +4

    Touch of Malice is also something to consider, as it might be one of the best primary weapons for bridge encounter.

    • @SlongestKongest
      @SlongestKongest Рік тому +2

      I think touch will be good for dps on day one in a well but just for ad clear I dont think so. Mostly because day ones enemies hit hard and dying is the worst thing you can do damage will be slow no matter what however if your team can stay alive then that's whats most important

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +2

      I wouldn't say it's noteworthy for anything outside of backup DPS

    • @mutantraze3681
      @mutantraze3681 Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelicand I would say outbreak basically defines that role anyways if you’re going to use primary dps as a backup

    • @warv6552
      @warv6552 Рік тому

      @@mutantraze3681ToM is better after the buff and it also doesn’t depend on your whole team using it like Outbreak

  • @GrizzlyBear_AUS
    @GrizzlyBear_AUS Рік тому +2

    Loving the Aegis top D2 speedrunner to top D2 content creator arc

  • @walkerh2745
    @walkerh2745 Рік тому

    Aegis bouta blow up bro ur insane. the number crunching, real world experience, and confidence in what your talking abojt make your channel a go-to for new metas and dps. keep going man!

  • @connerchambers1713
    @connerchambers1713 Рік тому

    Aegis, you have expanded my destiny knowledge significantly over the last few months. Thank you!!

  • @arakemi1080
    @arakemi1080 Рік тому

    Thank you aegis for having a video of more than 2-3 sets of weapons available for the day 1

  • @doodle_is_cool
    @doodle_is_cool Рік тому +2

    my beautiful pookie bookie sugar plum sweetums bear finally posted his day one loadouts.

  • @xdifficultviper9916
    @xdifficultviper9916 Рік тому +2

    It all depends on how crota is handled (I’m also hoping they change the deathsingers encounter to a shuro chi like encounter but it’s highly unlikely). If we get a redux similar to oryx where damage matters then exactly that damage will matter but as is crota is mostly about survival and ad density. My current guess is the sword will be used to bring down his shields basically flipping his damage mechanic around (sword to stun and weaps to damage). The only place where damage would matter would be the oversoul if again that mechanic returns (even then I think stuff like izi rocket will more then get the job done or star eater scaled deadshot)

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Agreed!

    • @tank_dempsey
      @tank_dempsey Рік тому

      I really hope crota is still sword damage not weapon damage. If he’s not sword damage he’s gonna get absolutely dunked on by melee builds

    • @xdifficultviper9916
      @xdifficultviper9916 Рік тому +1

      @@tank_dempsey bruh melee build? You doing a 8 phase? There’s no shot that they don’t buff the fuck outta his health. My guess is 15 mil minimum on his health if it’s weapons damage. Also if it is still sword damage the new strand Titan aspect with stronghold bout to go stupid add a tractor cannon and we may see some crazy stuff

    • @tank_dempsey
      @tank_dempsey Рік тому

      @@xdifficultviper9916 strongholds would do absolutely nothing with the relic sword Lmao. You can’t block with crotas sword. And I’m just saying do you really want a caretaker situation again

    • @xdifficultviper9916
      @xdifficultviper9916 Рік тому +1

      @@tank_dempseyare we sure that the current moon sword isn’t going to be the one in crota? Because yes in d1 guarding wasn’t a thing but when shadowkeep brought back the sword it has a guard feature which is part of the dungeon entrance mechanic. And wym by another caretaker moment? The damage is entirely different and caretaker has like iirc 24mil or something close to it putting him at the tankiest boss in the game, for reference rhulk I believe is somewhere around 18 and oryx around 20 the only other raid boss who comes close is golg but between the very long phases and the bomb it feels a lot less

  • @laloatx5892
    @laloatx5892 Рік тому

    I feel like Wish-Ender is a little underrated. Even when under-leveled it hits like a truck and one-shots most red bars, does great solo DPS for a primary ammo weapon, and works ok against barrier champs. With kinetic siphon and a bunch of adds, it’s an orb printing machine. And it works at range and supports peek-shooting. At close range you can hip fire.

  • @sharpshuriken3159
    @sharpshuriken3159 Рік тому +2

    I genuinely believe you will get the worlds first. You are the first destiny 2 pve stat youtuber that knows what he is talking about.

  • @Dsparky121
    @Dsparky121 Рік тому +1

    Babe wake up, we missed the notification for a fourth Aegis video

  • @mykull8465
    @mykull8465 Рік тому +3

    Gonna be an odd ask but whats your opinion on using eyes of tomorrow for ad clear in encounters such as abyss with the changes allowing it to essentially never run out of ammo if used properly

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Honestly not a bad pick

    • @mykull8465
      @mykull8465 Рік тому +1

      Noice

    • @sandburgbilly381
      @sandburgbilly381 Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic i dont have a recon bns or recon bipod apex yet cause i took a big break and just came back, all i have is slideways bns with impact. Should i run slideways if im comfortable with that swap, or should i just use an autoloading cluster hezen vengeance since i was looking at the dps spreadsheet and it doesnt seem too bad

  • @Schaeferyn
    @Schaeferyn Рік тому

    Re: Bipod rockets. You might want to check out the new seasonal strand one (Semiotician). It can roll/craft with bipod and field prep, which pairs well with its origin trait that boosts reload speed (not much, but it helps). You can reload this bad boy very quickly and just spam rockets.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +4

      Semio has a worse archetype and only gains +1 over max reserves Bipod Apex with a worse affinity

  • @ZMarlonZ
    @ZMarlonZ Рік тому

    So much knowledge. If you haven’t already, I hope to see you get that Day 1 belt some day.

  • @sebastianridley2632
    @sebastianridley2632 Рік тому +3

    For the long range damage rotation, how would a Clown/Firing line Distant Tumulus compare to the Ikelos SR roll that you suggested?

    • @natty1115
      @natty1115 Рік тому

      Wondering same thing. I have same roll distant or a seraph round tripple tap high impact reserves ikelos

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Would also be fine, just leaves you with less ammo in your energy slot when you swap back to something like Forbearance

  • @paul2725
    @paul2725 Рік тому +1

    Great video lots of usefull information but where does the best gun in the game thunderlord fit in in all of this?

  • @toasteroven8259
    @toasteroven8259 Рік тому +1

    have you considered foetracer as opposed to lucky pants on hunters? since if you run solar specifically you get a higher surge bonus for apex and ikelos, plus you are free to run triple kinetic for izzy. I dont have the mental capacity to work out the numbers but the only extra req is throwing a grenade or melee before you fire off apex

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Yeah it's something I'm aware of, Gunslinger is just not my default recommendation for hunters on day 1

  • @TheTrueSpadeSupreme
    @TheTrueSpadeSupreme Рік тому

    Golden video, sir! Props to getting it in one take!

  • @nerfycat8429
    @nerfycat8429 Рік тому +1

    Some really great info here, I appreciate your videos a lot. Question though, you mentioned Graviton Lance on void hunter, do you think that's a better option than using Le Monarch? Thanks

    • @artur3306
      @artur3306 Рік тому

      After the 67% damage buff from last season it's better, especially for big groups of ads

  • @DaggerSaint
    @DaggerSaint Рік тому +1

    Great videos tysm

  • @DauntlessAria
    @DauntlessAria Рік тому

    this guide fixed my overseas family relationship! thanks Aegis!

  • @SlongestKongest
    @SlongestKongest Рік тому +2

    I agree with alotta this but I really think witherhoard should be in everyone's loadouts even if it's not top tier dps as not everyone can apply it. It's still amazing for safe ad clear and killing high health bars enemies since you can shoot them then stay safe or in the first encounter shoot below you and all the thatll will die in it

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      It's not awful, just me personally, I'm not taking it into the day 1

    • @ckruberducky
      @ckruberducky Рік тому +1

      Have 1 dedicated witherwhore and that’s it. I haven’t used witherhoard in months

  • @Sesa1138
    @Sesa1138 Рік тому

    aegis
    first of all, amazing video, really good stuff, question: with your eremite roll which mod would you use, backup mag to maximize envious assasin at max reserves w 3x solar reserves at 20? or boss spec but having a maxed envious at 18 instead of 20?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      Can do either tbh the likelihood of you dumping 18 in a row is really low and you can always Backup swap

  • @ty-yel
    @ty-yel Рік тому +1

    Great video! What spreadsheet is that you have for boss dps and could you post the link for it?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_5wtBjRYHHxuF4oJKDb_iOGZs-wTkzB6RYbnyNLbuz4/edit#gid=0

  • @parsus7797
    @parsus7797 Рік тому +1

    are you going to do a retroperspective after day 1 on what went as expected or what went wrong? Would love to see it

  • @gregmccheeseballa-ui1ng
    @gregmccheeseballa-ui1ng Рік тому +6

    Did I hear you mention my sweet baby cakes best dps most ammo efficient overlord arc daddy heavy machine gun Thunderlord?

  • @Nick-oo5bf
    @Nick-oo5bf Рік тому +1

    I know you went over it but for ikelos sg what would be the roll you want? I know you said cascade point/surrounded but one thing I just don’t know is the magazine to use for it because it doesn’t come with assault mag.

  • @Kaeiand
    @Kaeiand Рік тому +1

    Do you have an opinion on Divinity rocket swapping for LFG scenarios? It's a lower % than Tractor (though nothing preventing someone else from also using a Tractor/30% as well maybe?); you can still provide a crit bubble for utility (more or less useful, depending on the weapon used)-and notably, unlike Tractor, you can swap back and forth with an ALH rocket (with something like Wolfpack, I assume this is decent damage?) and keep full uptime on the debuff.
    Only asking because I haven't seen it on any proper charts, or discussed much at all. Curious if there was a memo about the strategy I missed! 😅

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Div swapping hasn't been viable for over a year, 15% debuff killed it completely and hotswap nerf made it so bubble goes down

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 Рік тому

      I looked into this last season and I can't find a realistic situation where you can stack enough handling that you don't lose div bubble uptime

  • @TheZombie462
    @TheZombie462 Рік тому +1

    This helps out so many new lights

  • @florianpicq876
    @florianpicq876 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for this huge help! Very helpful
    I'm not sure I've undestood in what bipod is better than BnS because the 2 options are around the same total damage and BnS has more dps. You prefer bipod for the economy?
    you have more rockets so it lasts longer which makes you less likely to waste your special ammos afterwards? Well can't you just take BnS, use all your rockets and then not shoot with your special if it is the problem? Or you can use all your special if it is last phase. I just feel like taking BnS gives you the choice to do the same as bipod OR do more damage but using a lot of special.
    I mean i really cant understand why it should be better to take an option with the same total dmg (even less as i can see in the comments) and less dps than BnS.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +3

      Unless you're using all 9 rockets back to back within the first BnS period (which incentivizes disproportionate dumping of your rocket), Bipod is the safer pick overall, although I'm not swearing off BnS in its entirety - it's still a good pick

    • @florianpicq876
      @florianpicq876 Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic alright thanks!

  • @sylokthedefiled7650
    @sylokthedefiled7650 Рік тому

    A few unconventional DPS strategies to maybe give a glance at.
    I'm going to modify your first one and say that rewind/bns supremacy, tesselation and, bipod recon apex could be an interesting pick for solar warlocks (or titan if pyrogale is applicable) Use Starfire for the 2x nade charge, Before damage, pre-load your fusion rocket and get your nades fully charged.
    Then once damage starts:
    Slap down a well, fire your 4 rockets, fire your fusion rocket and load another one, empty your supremacy mag and reload, swap back to apex and repeat.
    And theres also a broodweaver super, cataphraxt with envious bns and nox perennial with envious controlled. Nothing too fancy there. Open with a super, fire your energy and then your fusion, then keep shooting your gl until bns runs out and repeat. Once you're out of gl ammo, just use the nox since that should have decentish dps.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      Tessellation is likely to be disabled
      I do not recommend Cataphract for day 1 whatsoever

  • @laloatx5892
    @laloatx5892 Рік тому

    The rocket damage rotation that you recommend requires someone running gjallarhorn right?
    And to confirm, the gjallarhorn player runs:
    Supremacy w/ rewind rounds & enhanced kinetic tremors
    Ikelos SR w/ FTTC & focused fury
    and the cycle is:
    - 1 gjally shot
    - 2 supremacy shots
    - 4 ikelos shots and reload
    Question: should we run enhanced focused fury on the Ikelos SR?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Yes that is correct and no you don't need to but you can

  • @FrobiWan
    @FrobiWan Рік тому

    Parasite is an amazing heavy for prio target killing. Brought it into Day 1 VoW and it one shot glyphkeepers in challenge mode. Can't recommend it enough on priority target fights.

  • @MegaBeanHead0
    @MegaBeanHead0 Рік тому

    This guy KNOWS!
    Quick question:
    If I’m matching surges with apex, would it be better to run the eremite or cartesian for pure damage? My roll has lead from gold on cartesian, so that’s why I’m leaning towards it. But if eremite has more damage / better for rotations, then I may use that!
    What would you recommend?

  • @roundraccoon6141
    @roundraccoon6141 Рік тому

    Acacia's dejection is quite good to run on solar with incandescent. It helps keep the restorationx2 buff up when enemies are not close enough for incinerator snap.
    If not on solar, acacia is definitely much weaker and not worth bringing.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Acasia is definitely situational I just dislike its lack of utility

  • @slumped_shady
    @slumped_shady Рік тому

    Also want to add that shields will be in this day one. So arc and solar weapons for these hive enemies are gonna be highly prioritized.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      Shields aren't ever really an issue in the current sandbox

  • @skylersilbey8565
    @skylersilbey8565 Рік тому +1

    So, for the long range extended damage rotation, why Ikelos over Distant Tumulus? Wouldn't Tumulus fulfill the same role (especially with manual reloads) but with slightly higher dps? Feels unrealistic that you are going to be using the full reserves to the point where ammo becomes a concern with your secondary sniper

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      FTTC nearly doubles total reserves > good conversion for after DPS

  • @Not_A_Plant2552
    @Not_A_Plant2552 Рік тому

    Great Video! Very informative for covering all options. Is there any way we can get our hands on that dps spreadsheet?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_5wtBjRYHHxuF4oJKDb_iOGZs-wTkzB6RYbnyNLbuz4/edit#gid=0

    • @Not_A_Plant2552
      @Not_A_Plant2552 Рік тому

      Thank you!

  • @depraved2099
    @depraved2099 Рік тому

    Why do people keep speculating that Malfeasance will be disabled? The slug explosion is unstoppable. The hand cannon itself is not. That's why overload works. Does it do a ton of damage? Sure. It's an exotic with vorpal and HCs just got a needed buff. Does Lucky Pants make it a viable DPS choice? Absolutely. Does the exotic have a 100% uptime? Not at all. It's more like 45% because you have to reload before stowing and there's a 10-second cooldown. You also have to weigh which surge mods you want to prioritize. It has a microscopic amount of ad-clear potential that Sunshot puts to shame. It is only good at one thing. And it has to be on a hunter. IDK why everyone's crying wolf.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      It's likely an unintended interaction which is likely to be fixed by Bungie

  • @SirRonan
    @SirRonan Рік тому

    I have a question or two about loadouts/damage phases. Lets say that I am the arc hunter and I've been running the 3 weapons you've mentioned for your hunter day 1 video. Is it better to stick with tractor as the heavy and just refresh occasonally while doing special dps or is tractoring a boss then switching to a star-eaters loadout with Izzy, Ikeos sr3 and apex better/ more consistent dps?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Really depends on your team's ammo situation, in an optimal scenario you're applying Tractor, swapping loadout, using Shoot to Loot to get heavy, then doing damage while refreshing Rapid-Fire Ranger, but honestly sticking to Tractor and a sniper or fusion is a much safer choice

    • @SirRonan
      @SirRonan Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic Thanks for the really quick answer! Your videos have been a huge help in getting my classes ready for day 1.

  • @sauceinmyface9302
    @sauceinmyface9302 Рік тому +1

    Hey Aegis, you've probably answered this before but I wanted to know what mods you would equip on your loadouts, like reserves vs resistance, more scavenger mods vs surges, or ammo finder/scout, and if that would make a primary ever worth using? I'm also curious whether weapon kills have higher ammo drop rates vs ability kill, it's just something I feel might be true but don't know. The thing I'm most concerned about is ammo, since bosses like Oryx and Daughters had no finisher targets to generate heavy off of for day one. Do you think this might happen again?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      I would have a reserves + scavs loadout, a finisher loadout, a mechanics loadout, a damage loadout, and maybe a final stand loadout. If you're planning on starting with double special, keeping a primary in your back pocket isn't a bad idea either.

    • @sauceinmyface9302
      @sauceinmyface9302 Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic Thanks for answering, I also was wondering about bipod. After some gameplay, I noticed(I think) it gets 5 rockets with 2 reserve+scavenger, but with BaS, and 2 reserve, you get 5 rockets per brick too. Doesn't this make BaS more ammo efficient?

    • @sauceinmyface9302
      @sauceinmyface9302 Рік тому

      nvm just tested, got 3 shots per brick on BaS, I think the bipod ammo bug got fixed btw? I tried 3 reserve bipod rocket switching to leviathan's and only got 7 shots.

  • @fernoooo
    @fernoooo Рік тому

    Nice video! Do you have any opinions in regards to using techeun force or loaded question in certain mid-range damage rotations? I’ve been testing out a few smog rotations myself and these two have been synergizing well with Malf/Iza and Apex

  • @SentientMattress531
    @SentientMattress531 Рік тому +1

    Would it be worth it to bring LFRs? I have a crafted Apex (kalli go brrr) but i feel like Deathsinger standing still would probably be easy to crit with them

  • @Toffee-clan
    @Toffee-clan Рік тому +1

    I know you may know this but with luckypants is only possible for 17 malf shots to be buffed not 18 if u thought that

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      A bunch of people have been telling me 18 recently I don't know who to believe any more :sob:

    • @Toffee-clan
      @Toffee-clan Рік тому

      ​@@TheAegisRelic just shoot into any boss n u will see

  • @shesmarie3191
    @shesmarie3191 Рік тому

    would felwinters lie be a good alternative option to mindbenders if you dont have a surplus vorpal roll or is the low handling and full choke reduction not worth? great video by the way

  • @iKnownot999
    @iKnownot999 Рік тому +4

    Id still say witherhoard is good even if only for buffing malfeasance

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Yeah I've mentioned it explicitly for buffing Malf for one person I believe (in other videos)

    • @iKnownot999
      @iKnownot999 Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic you did later on in this one too actually

  • @masterjim666
    @masterjim666 Рік тому

    Very nice breakdown. What do you suggest for the Ghorn user instead of Izanagi? Legendary sniper/fusion?

  • @GuardiosK
    @GuardiosK Рік тому

    Hey, great video! May I ask what would be your go to damage rotation for the Gjallahorn user? and which class would be the most optimal to run Gjally with?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      If you're doing sniper I'd do 2 Supremacy > 4 IKELOS > 1 Gjally > dash repeat
      I'd say either Nightstalker or Dawnblade

    • @GuardiosK
      @GuardiosK Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic Thanks for the taking the time to make these videos and to reply (:

  • @yeah167
    @yeah167 Рік тому +1

    When you're using merciless for damage, do you ramp it up to full speed before you proc impetus? Or after? Or does it depend on how much ammo you have to work with

  • @Insanity__Chris
    @Insanity__Chris Рік тому

    Hey man thanks for making this, do you also recommend these weapons for overall any activity?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      If they're good enough for day 1 they're certainly good enough for anything else haha

  • @dtps_champion6016
    @dtps_champion6016 Рік тому

    You're in your lane, homie! Keep it up

  • @fbksokawaii1041
    @fbksokawaii1041 Рік тому

    Nice video! One question, I don’t have Ikelos Sniper - what can i use in damage rotation instead that is currently obtainable?

  • @imjlu
    @imjlu Рік тому +5

    Final Warning is low-key special level strong especially against single target as long as youre within range 🙂

  • @SolaeterAtheos
    @SolaeterAtheos Рік тому

    What would you run on an Arc Hunter with Tractor? You mentioned before that with Tractor having it's duration boosted Rapid-Fire ranger by 25 seconds, you could just dump trace ammo into a bosses head afterwards and theoretically just swap to a different heavy. If you do that you lose a lot of heavy though, when I swapped from Tractor with 19 ammo (double reserves -1 for the debuff application), I only got 6 rockets with a Bipod Apex. Is it even worth swapping at that point if you're only getting half the default reserves for Bipod Apex?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      Apparently it only refreshes Tractor's duration, meaning it goes back up to 10, but you can still proc it indefinitely just by shooting a boss in the head. Whether or not you swap is up to you, it's really just a suggestion to try :P

  • @tbarnes3414
    @tbarnes3414 Рік тому

    Hey Aegis! What do you think of Syntho-strand titan after getting banner of command. Ive been messing around with it and feel it has really good survivability and damage output. I just don't know how it compares to hammers

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      Surprisingly decent but pales in comparison to Sunbreaker in a day 1 env

  • @ar-rafatmiah1634
    @ar-rafatmiah1634 Рік тому +1

    For those, like myself, who prefer just using a single special and heavy rotation rather than double special and heavy rotation, what would be best?
    Izanagi + rocket bipod/bns?

  • @Fabbbio1001
    @Fabbbio1001 Рік тому

    Since Bungie said that reserve mods are going to be disable would you recommend the bipod roll over the b&s more then before?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Bipod has a slightly bigger edge but I'd still bring both (their total damage is pretty much exactly equal again)

  • @slipperyporpoise8547
    @slipperyporpoise8547 Рік тому

    Hey Aegis, what do you think of the new strand rocket Semiotician? Is there any merit to field prep bipod for the extra reserves or is anything without reconstruction not worth considering?
    Also, the Until it’s Return has trench and cascade like Ikelos but ALSO has auto-loading, it’s not solar but maybe it’s worth trying

    • @EdenPorterMusic
      @EdenPorterMusic Рік тому +2

      auto-loading is the most important part of getting a damage rotation going which rockets excel at, and field prep+bipod is kind of redundant because it hits ammo reserve max and you can already do that with just 1 of those options + reserves mod swaps. Semiotican is high-impact so it has lower damage than adaptive and aggressive rockets anyways, and strand surge only matches Until Its Return and Nox Perennial V which aren't better than their energy slot counterparts - Eremite, Ikelos SR and SG, and Sojourner's which match Apex Predator on solar surge. Furthermore, strand special weapons mean you aren't using a kinetic special weapon which does 15% extra damage for free; solar/arc/void weapons don't have that opportunity cost, plus there's no energy slot Izanagi's Burden for swap rotations. TLDR No auto-loading, lower base damage rocket, worse surge matching.

    • @ThePuppyOfProdigy
      @ThePuppyOfProdigy Рік тому +1

      precision frames -10% damage high impact frames regular damage adaptive and aggressive frames have +10% damage. because semiotician is high impact it is always 10% weaker than smth like hothead apex or coldcomfort

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Extra reserves aren't useful when your frame has an intrinsic -10% relative to adaptive/aggressives and FP only takes you to 15, which is 1 higher than max reserves Bipod on Apex WITH a reload perk for damage

    • @slipperyporpoise8547
      @slipperyporpoise8547 Рік тому

      Makes sense thanks for the insight

  • @Langston42
    @Langston42 Рік тому +3

    me watching this knowing full well I'm not Day 1 raiding, but I don't wanna have bummy dps when I lfg on normal mode

  • @Rhukzy
    @Rhukzy Рік тому

    @21:16 lol i have that Mindbenders Adept with Snapshot and Vorpal in my vault, marked as junk... but why not a Sojourners slug with AL and Frenzy? Or a Felwinter with Vorpal/Surplus also 80 impact.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      Sojourner's is worse, Felwinter's has no Assault

    • @Rhukzy
      @Rhukzy Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelicyou had 6 in the mag, so wasn’t with Assault mag?

  • @CalibrateProductionsMusic
    @CalibrateProductionsMusic Рік тому

    I don’t have an ikelos SR, but I have a twilight oath with vorpal.
    Wouldn’t vorpal in this situation be better than focused fury? Vorpal 15% dmg buff, where focused fury is 20% on 1/2 the mag
    Both guns are rapid fire frame solar energy snipers with 55 impact damage.

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      No FTTC, and Fury is active for every shot after the first 3 if you're using Flared

  • @jbuzzrock
    @jbuzzrock Рік тому

    Best D2 youtuber ever! GOAT

  • @shadowace8323
    @shadowace8323 Рік тому

    With your long damage set up i was wondering if the dragonshadow izi sniper apex rotation is better? I was practicing that rotation but i could not get my dodge back for the 3 rocket part. How did you get your dodge back in time and could i replace the sniper with eremite?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +2

      You need Benevolence/Singeing/Torches + knife throw

  • @crumblly6505
    @crumblly6505 Рік тому +1

    Is the new trials gl with b&s viable vs rockets. I assume no since rockets are cracked. Wanna know if it was worth staying up till 5 am griding for it

    • @artur3306
      @artur3306 Рік тому

      According to his spreadsheet he showed in the video, if you have that godroll of spike, envious, BnS it's pretty much the same total damage and dps

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      Don't need to lose sleep over grinding for it now, it's not worth using for day 1

    • @crumblly6505
      @crumblly6505 Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic yeah that's what I figured was fun grinding for at least got 3 flawlesses

  • @aimtrainer8239
    @aimtrainer8239 Рік тому

    If people aren’t comfortable or unable to run double special for whatever reason, would you still recommend bipod over bns? If you still recommend bipod would you just keep primary shooting the boss until your rockets are overloaded to 4 or just do a iza rocket swap combo?

    • @exmachina2600
      @exmachina2600 Рік тому

      I have the same question

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      It's a bit of a toss up at that point, you can run either

  • @pineapplemaster2114
    @pineapplemaster2114 Рік тому

    my favorite endgame youtuber !

  • @OG_MeNToR
    @OG_MeNToR Рік тому

    So for me after watching all of this, the go to would probably be Izinagi, Another special sniper, and BnS rockets with Apex. I might rocket dump with RDM (Hunter) think this is valid?

    • @OG_MeNToR
      @OG_MeNToR Рік тому

      Actually I noticed you have "the dragons shadow" should I run that instead?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      You can use RDMs that's fine just be aware that that's going to heavily shift your ammo use during DPS towards your heavy

    • @OG_MeNToR
      @OG_MeNToR Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic what could I run instead of the ikelos sniper that I could acquire within the next 48 hours? Or any advice?

  • @jj2wowetc
    @jj2wowetc Рік тому

    At 9:45 you mention that Envious+Controlled is the best fusion total damage for day 1, but you spreadsheet says that Controlled only beats out Reservoir in DPS2. Is DPS2 the reason to go for Controlled here or is there something else I am missing?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      After your mag dips below full Reservoir drops down to 0% as a perk, but it's an acceptable option up until then

  • @angelarmando2413
    @angelarmando2413 Рік тому

    Love your videos dude im hooked. But can you explain why apex predator over cold comfort? Ive been puzzled about why apex is better but cant seem to understand, would appreciate your response a lot!

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Cold is fine but Apex is safer and more consistent for full reserve dumping without RDMs

  • @terminatorprogaming8163
    @terminatorprogaming8163 Рік тому

    Question, is the izzy, sniper, rocket combo worth it considering that you will most likely be swapping from a different weapon that u were using before boss phase leading to less ammo?

  • @nicxlaus
    @nicxlaus Рік тому

    What’s funny to me is that everyone is going insane prepping for this raid, but we all know good and well that sisters and crota are just going to be rocket dump bosses. Everything else is ad clear. Literally just need the person who’s on sword to run tractor to debuff crota prior to damage. Also a couple people on snipes to shoot oversoul. My guess is that wardcliff will one shot the oversoul tho

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      We'll see :P

    • @nicxlaus
      @nicxlaus Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic I do hope I’m wrong though. I’d like to see some shake up with the mechanics. I’ve also not looked at the supposed raid mechanic leak or whatever

  • @xdraph
    @xdraph Рік тому

    Would distant tumulus with clown + fl be just as good as ikelos sr for the long range damage setup? They both have 20% dmg perks but fl affects the 3 first shots as well. Is it because DT is way less accessible as it is a world drop and ikelos sr is craftable?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Yeah fine just lower reserves

    • @xdraph
      @xdraph Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic ok thanks 👍

  • @mm-sy8vv
    @mm-sy8vv Рік тому

    In regards to kinetic legendaries, is there a reason you listed pardon our dust and not ignition code seeing as it rolls with blinding nades and slideshot

  • @PterryDactyl88
    @PterryDactyl88 Рік тому

    my go-to kinetic sniper has been thoughtless with enhanced overflow + firing line

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +2

      Fine but awful total damage and mediocre DPS compared to stuff like Supremacy/Succession

  • @DigiplayW8
    @DigiplayW8 Рік тому

    for succession, why do you use reconstruction/recombination instead of reconstruction/vorpal? any specific reason? I haven't seen anybody else using that roll

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      That's just my roll I use for specific stuff, most people should run Recon Vorpal

    • @DigiplayW8
      @DigiplayW8 Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic makes sense! I appreciate the response!

  • @caiquepacha3606
    @caiquepacha3606 Рік тому +2

    Instructions unclear, i'm using thunderlord

  • @johnnyboi7918
    @johnnyboi7918 Рік тому

    would it be better or worse to instead use cold comfort with bait/envious, kill the 7 ads needed to load 5 rounds in the mag. procc bait with izi a fusion then dump the 5 rockets + dodge reload for the 6th? especially since comfort benefits from an extra rocket? or would this slow dmg to a crawl too much in a longer dmg phase after the dump?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Envious CC is good but I don't think it's super applicable for Day 1

  • @codking4935
    @codking4935 Рік тому

    @aegis I was curious as to why you didn’t mention funnel web or even calus mini tool etc

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому

      I don't think they are better than traces in any way

    • @codking4935
      @codking4935 Рік тому

      @@TheAegisRelic even with ammo potentially being an issue etc

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 Рік тому

      @@codking4935 aegis has been recommending special finisher more; really the only thing that's changed about double special is you can't rely on heavy weapons as backup add clear if you screw up anymore, gotta be a little more on point with abilities/efficiency instead

  • @greekboy2057
    @greekboy2057 Рік тому +1

    Is there a link to the damage spreadsheet anywhere?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_5wtBjRYHHxuF4oJKDb_iOGZs-wTkzB6RYbnyNLbuz4/edit#gid=0

  • @letsgog8trs793
    @letsgog8trs793 Рік тому

    All these vids are so helpful

  • @shadowpriceyear2713
    @shadowpriceyear2713 Рік тому

    Do the high impact fusions need ionized to hold their entire reserves in the mag? Is it just so you can consistently get everything in the mag?

  • @peacekeeper3268
    @peacekeeper3268 Рік тому +1

    any replacement options if I dont have ikelos sniper? ty ♥

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      You can use The Eremite (3 shots instead of 8 IKELOS)

  • @mundt_
    @mundt_ Рік тому

    In the damage spreadsheet originally you recommended lightweight shotguns over aggressive. Why the change here? Is it total damage v dps?

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +2

      On day 1 you're prioritizing total > raw DPS and lightweights have dogshit total

  • @nathanduttlinger8909
    @nathanduttlinger8909 Рік тому

    do you think gally will be worth it in a team setting for dps day 1? i heard it got stealth nerfed but haven’t seen any numbers on it

    • @TheAegisRelic
      @TheAegisRelic  Рік тому +1

      Yes it is in this video and all of my other recent videos

  • @blufferoniandcheese3628
    @blufferoniandcheese3628 Рік тому

    the fetty wap lumina goes crazy