Thanks Aegis! After watching this video, my car got stolen, my house blew up, and my wife filed for divorce. But what does that matter when I now can build my Hunter for Day 1 Crota's End!
Thank you Xemo for giving me Woven Mail, providing an additional 55% DR on top of my 100 resilience before my dad hit me with his belt, it barely hurts now!
Edit: Since a lot of people are asking, I'd like to clarify something about BnS vs. Bipod, since I glazed over this a little when recording this live: Bait and Switch and Bipod have similar total damage numbers, especially when you consider that you are almost definitely not getting all 8 reserve rockets with BnS off on day 1 without using RDMs, which aren't really the best pick on day 1 for most players. While "dump all heavy then dump special" is a legitimate damage strategy, a lot of the reason I make videos like this is is in response to players requesting more reasonable, uniform damage rotations that will leave you with a more even distribution of ammo at the end of every phase. That's another reason why Bipod is more consistent: it syncs up a lot cleaner with weapons with longer firing times like the FTTC IKELOS and The Eremite. As soon as you try to extend a rotation to cover a phase longer than 20s, the worse BnS becomes without dumping upfront. That being said, am I swearing off BnS for this day 1? Absolutely not. Given how the leveling system has changed this season, I'd be a fool not to bring both rolls into this day 1. While I may have been more one-sided in the video, my official suggestion is bringing both rolls into the raid, and seeing which one better suits the encounter at hand. Long phases where sustained fusion/sniper fire is going to be valued? Traversal encounter with large groups of minibosses beforehand? Bipod is your guy. Short, burst phases where you can't dump Bipod as easily within your damage window? Bait and Switch is probably the way to go. --- At 15:17 I've corrected the Bipod total damage number, so it now sits at around 2.22M - I still think Bipod is the safer pick for a day 1 environment IF you are using a more extended rotation which is more appropriate for a 30+s damage phase. If your loadout is capable of dumping at least half your rockets within the first BnS proc, then Bait might be a better idea, but otherwise Bipod is the safer, more consistent pick. Crafting both is a good idea regardless of the end result, and it's easier than ever to have two rockets leveled :)
If we use a rotation like that it would be better to use foetracer as a swap after star eaters right? That way you can run three kinetic surges and still have x4 surges on your rocket and sniper. This would likely be higher total damage
Hey aegis, recently you’ve been blowing up in the destiny community. Keep putting in the hard work that you have the past few months, it will definitely pay off.❤
Youre becoming my favorite D2 Ytuber. There just isnt a channel quite like yours in the space. Lots of great info and insights that other channels nvr get into or try and fail to.
The secret GOAT here is A2TC's health bar damage testing tool. Wipe screen/ingame displayed damage has been notoriously inaccurate for a long time, so having a better way to actually measure things made stuff possible. This takes away absolutely nothing from Aegis' work, of course! Just want to credit A2TC too.
Getting back into Destiny after a long hiatus - extremely excited for the return of my favorite raid from the franchise. This was a timely suggestion from UA-cam’s algorithm, great video, subbed :)
Thank you so much for all this guides, I finally feel actually prepared for a day 1 raid after like 3 yearls lol. Also thank you so much for the step by step explanation on the rotations, that's something almost no one does.
My problem with bipod on a contest raid is the fact that after the first phase, as 99% of teams arnt gona 1 phase on contest, the amount of anmo needed to refill reserves fully is too high to be consistent without aeons or cenotaph, which require a higher amount of major enemies and coordination from teammates, whereas bait and switch only requires 7-9 instead of 12-14. So if you dont fully top off ammo for the second dmg phase, your dps is gona fall off a cliff
The main reason I'm so comfortable recommending Bipod here is because D1 CE strongly suggests a huge presence of Cenotaph/Aeon-viable targets in every encounter, on top of Bipod rotations shifting the balance towards your other weapons rather than eating up your rockets upfront unlike BnS. Very valid points nonetheless!
Pretty much what aegis said, but you also have the ability to have players run something like a sunshot build that drops finders in less than 20 kills. Thinking about the amount of low tier adds expected in the raid, it still should hold fine
@@greenlukesky4615frankly, that would be possible if teammates don't end up killing all the ads so they actually count towards that finder meter. Like you'd be good to go with 2 ammo makers if you let them kill all the ads and such, but we all know most teams won't do that so I just wish luck upon everyone who does this.
@@arakemi1080 well we’re a very well coordinated team and have used such methods before. And the double special users will likely be on say sniper shotty or sniper trace
@@greenlukesky4615 well in your case, youll probably have plenty of ammo. but in cases like mine, my team will most likely run builds that arent focused around one thing
Aegis bouta blow up bro ur insane. the number crunching, real world experience, and confidence in what your talking abojt make your channel a go-to for new metas and dps. keep going man!
I think touch will be good for dps on day one in a well but just for ad clear I dont think so. Mostly because day ones enemies hit hard and dying is the worst thing you can do damage will be slow no matter what however if your team can stay alive then that's whats most important
How many Malf hunters would be your breaking point for mixing in a Wither? My team is currently planning on 2 Malf hunters. Our testing so far has not yielded great results for comparisons. @@TheAegisRelic
I feel like Wish-Ender is a little underrated. Even when under-leveled it hits like a truck and one-shots most red bars, does great solo DPS for a primary ammo weapon, and works ok against barrier champs. With kinetic siphon and a bunch of adds, it’s an orb printing machine. And it works at range and supports peek-shooting. At close range you can hip fire.
It all depends on how crota is handled (I’m also hoping they change the deathsingers encounter to a shuro chi like encounter but it’s highly unlikely). If we get a redux similar to oryx where damage matters then exactly that damage will matter but as is crota is mostly about survival and ad density. My current guess is the sword will be used to bring down his shields basically flipping his damage mechanic around (sword to stun and weaps to damage). The only place where damage would matter would be the oversoul if again that mechanic returns (even then I think stuff like izi rocket will more then get the job done or star eater scaled deadshot)
@@tank_dempsey bruh melee build? You doing a 8 phase? There’s no shot that they don’t buff the fuck outta his health. My guess is 15 mil minimum on his health if it’s weapons damage. Also if it is still sword damage the new strand Titan aspect with stronghold bout to go stupid add a tractor cannon and we may see some crazy stuff
@@xdifficultviper9916 strongholds would do absolutely nothing with the relic sword Lmao. You can’t block with crotas sword. And I’m just saying do you really want a caretaker situation again
@@tank_dempseyare we sure that the current moon sword isn’t going to be the one in crota? Because yes in d1 guarding wasn’t a thing but when shadowkeep brought back the sword it has a guard feature which is part of the dungeon entrance mechanic. And wym by another caretaker moment? The damage is entirely different and caretaker has like iirc 24mil or something close to it putting him at the tankiest boss in the game, for reference rhulk I believe is somewhere around 18 and oryx around 20 the only other raid boss who comes close is golg but between the very long phases and the bomb it feels a lot less
Re: Bipod rockets. You might want to check out the new seasonal strand one (Semiotician). It can roll/craft with bipod and field prep, which pairs well with its origin trait that boosts reload speed (not much, but it helps). You can reload this bad boy very quickly and just spam rockets.
Parasite is an amazing heavy for prio target killing. Brought it into Day 1 VoW and it one shot glyphkeepers in challenge mode. Can't recommend it enough on priority target fights.
Acacia's dejection is quite good to run on solar with incandescent. It helps keep the restorationx2 buff up when enemies are not close enough for incinerator snap. If not on solar, acacia is definitely much weaker and not worth bringing.
I agree with alotta this but I really think witherhoard should be in everyone's loadouts even if it's not top tier dps as not everyone can apply it. It's still amazing for safe ad clear and killing high health bars enemies since you can shoot them then stay safe or in the first encounter shoot below you and all the thatll will die in it
A few unconventional DPS strategies to maybe give a glance at. I'm going to modify your first one and say that rewind/bns supremacy, tesselation and, bipod recon apex could be an interesting pick for solar warlocks (or titan if pyrogale is applicable) Use Starfire for the 2x nade charge, Before damage, pre-load your fusion rocket and get your nades fully charged. Then once damage starts: Slap down a well, fire your 4 rockets, fire your fusion rocket and load another one, empty your supremacy mag and reload, swap back to apex and repeat. And theres also a broodweaver super, cataphraxt with envious bns and nox perennial with envious controlled. Nothing too fancy there. Open with a super, fire your energy and then your fusion, then keep shooting your gl until bns runs out and repeat. Once you're out of gl ammo, just use the nox since that should have decentish dps.
have you considered foetracer as opposed to lucky pants on hunters? since if you run solar specifically you get a higher surge bonus for apex and ikelos, plus you are free to run triple kinetic for izzy. I dont have the mental capacity to work out the numbers but the only extra req is throwing a grenade or melee before you fire off apex
Gonna be an odd ask but whats your opinion on using eyes of tomorrow for ad clear in encounters such as abyss with the changes allowing it to essentially never run out of ammo if used properly
@@TheAegisRelic i dont have a recon bns or recon bipod apex yet cause i took a big break and just came back, all i have is slideways bns with impact. Should i run slideways if im comfortable with that swap, or should i just use an autoloading cluster hezen vengeance since i was looking at the dps spreadsheet and it doesnt seem too bad
For those, like myself, who prefer just using a single special and heavy rotation rather than double special and heavy rotation, what would be best? Izanagi + rocket bipod/bns?
Why do people keep speculating that Malfeasance will be disabled? The slug explosion is unstoppable. The hand cannon itself is not. That's why overload works. Does it do a ton of damage? Sure. It's an exotic with vorpal and HCs just got a needed buff. Does Lucky Pants make it a viable DPS choice? Absolutely. Does the exotic have a 100% uptime? Not at all. It's more like 45% because you have to reload before stowing and there's a 10-second cooldown. You also have to weigh which surge mods you want to prioritize. It has a microscopic amount of ad-clear potential that Sunshot puts to shame. It is only good at one thing. And it has to be on a hunter. IDK why everyone's crying wolf.
What’s funny to me is that everyone is going insane prepping for this raid, but we all know good and well that sisters and crota are just going to be rocket dump bosses. Everything else is ad clear. Literally just need the person who’s on sword to run tractor to debuff crota prior to damage. Also a couple people on snipes to shoot oversoul. My guess is that wardcliff will one shot the oversoul tho
@@TheAegisRelic I do hope I’m wrong though. I’d like to see some shake up with the mechanics. I’ve also not looked at the supposed raid mechanic leak or whatever
Some really great info here, I appreciate your videos a lot. Question though, you mentioned Graviton Lance on void hunter, do you think that's a better option than using Le Monarch? Thanks
aegis first of all, amazing video, really good stuff, question: with your eremite roll which mod would you use, backup mag to maximize envious assasin at max reserves w 3x solar reserves at 20? or boss spec but having a maxed envious at 18 instead of 20?
I know you went over it but for ikelos sg what would be the roll you want? I know you said cascade point/surrounded but one thing I just don’t know is the magazine to use for it because it doesn’t come with assault mag.
Thanks for this huge help! Very helpful I'm not sure I've undestood in what bipod is better than BnS because the 2 options are around the same total damage and BnS has more dps. You prefer bipod for the economy? you have more rockets so it lasts longer which makes you less likely to waste your special ammos afterwards? Well can't you just take BnS, use all your rockets and then not shoot with your special if it is the problem? Or you can use all your special if it is last phase. I just feel like taking BnS gives you the choice to do the same as bipod OR do more damage but using a lot of special. I mean i really cant understand why it should be better to take an option with the same total dmg (even less as i can see in the comments) and less dps than BnS.
Unless you're using all 9 rockets back to back within the first BnS period (which incentivizes disproportionate dumping of your rocket), Bipod is the safer pick overall, although I'm not swearing off BnS in its entirety - it's still a good pick
This guy KNOWS! Quick question: If I’m matching surges with apex, would it be better to run the eremite or cartesian for pure damage? My roll has lead from gold on cartesian, so that’s why I’m leaning towards it. But if eremite has more damage / better for rotations, then I may use that! What would you recommend?
i feel like it'll get cleared in like 3 hours or so, Crota was quite a pathetic raid, now imagine how easy it would be with all the new toys we have either that or it has a champion on every corner to try making it a 'challenge'
So, for the long range extended damage rotation, why Ikelos over Distant Tumulus? Wouldn't Tumulus fulfill the same role (especially with manual reloads) but with slightly higher dps? Feels unrealistic that you are going to be using the full reserves to the point where ammo becomes a concern with your secondary sniper
The rocket damage rotation that you recommend requires someone running gjallarhorn right? And to confirm, the gjallarhorn player runs: Supremacy w/ rewind rounds & enhanced kinetic tremors Ikelos SR w/ FTTC & focused fury and the cycle is: - 1 gjally shot - 2 supremacy shots - 4 ikelos shots and reload Question: should we run enhanced focused fury on the Ikelos SR?
Looking for advice from anyone here, but I’m planning on running a sunshot build with sunbracers on my warlock for day 1. For context, we’re a bit warlock heavy this time, but I wasn’t sure if it was worth running in between phases for ammo or even just for add clear in non boss stuff. I’ve personally liked it in master content this season but I feel like I’m missing something
Sadly I don't have a Bipod roll of Apex Predator BUT I do have one Bipod rocket being Braytech Osprey (high impacts should be buffed) that is adept with Envious Assassin/Pulse Monitor with Bipod. ME HOARDING LOOT actually is WORTH the time
Do you have an opinion on Divinity rocket swapping for LFG scenarios? It's a lower % than Tractor (though nothing preventing someone else from also using a Tractor/30% as well maybe?); you can still provide a crit bubble for utility (more or less useful, depending on the weapon used)-and notably, unlike Tractor, you can swap back and forth with an ALH rocket (with something like Wolfpack, I assume this is decent damage?) and keep full uptime on the debuff. Only asking because I haven't seen it on any proper charts, or discussed much at all. Curious if there was a memo about the strategy I missed! 😅
@21:16 lol i have that Mindbenders Adept with Snapshot and Vorpal in my vault, marked as junk... but why not a Sojourners slug with AL and Frenzy? Or a Felwinter with Vorpal/Surplus also 80 impact.
I don’t have an ikelos SR, but I have a twilight oath with vorpal. Wouldn’t vorpal in this situation be better than focused fury? Vorpal 15% dmg buff, where focused fury is 20% on 1/2 the mag Both guns are rapid fire frame solar energy snipers with 55 impact damage.
Hey, great video! May I ask what would be your go to damage rotation for the Gjallahorn user? and which class would be the most optimal to run Gjally with?
I have a question or two about loadouts/damage phases. Lets say that I am the arc hunter and I've been running the 3 weapons you've mentioned for your hunter day 1 video. Is it better to stick with tractor as the heavy and just refresh occasonally while doing special dps or is tractoring a boss then switching to a star-eaters loadout with Izzy, Ikeos sr3 and apex better/ more consistent dps?
Really depends on your team's ammo situation, in an optimal scenario you're applying Tractor, swapping loadout, using Shoot to Loot to get heavy, then doing damage while refreshing Rapid-Fire Ranger, but honestly sticking to Tractor and a sniper or fusion is a much safer choice
Would it be worth it to bring LFRs? I have a crafted Apex (kalli go brrr) but i feel like Deathsinger standing still would probably be easy to crit with them
Nice video! Do you have any opinions in regards to using techeun force or loaded question in certain mid-range damage rotations? I’ve been testing out a few smog rotations myself and these two have been synergizing well with Malf/Iza and Apex
@@codking4935 aegis has been recommending special finisher more; really the only thing that's changed about double special is you can't rely on heavy weapons as backup add clear if you screw up anymore, gotta be a little more on point with abilities/efficiency instead
Hey Aegis, you've probably answered this before but I wanted to know what mods you would equip on your loadouts, like reserves vs resistance, more scavenger mods vs surges, or ammo finder/scout, and if that would make a primary ever worth using? I'm also curious whether weapon kills have higher ammo drop rates vs ability kill, it's just something I feel might be true but don't know. The thing I'm most concerned about is ammo, since bosses like Oryx and Daughters had no finisher targets to generate heavy off of for day one. Do you think this might happen again?
I would have a reserves + scavs loadout, a finisher loadout, a mechanics loadout, a damage loadout, and maybe a final stand loadout. If you're planning on starting with double special, keeping a primary in your back pocket isn't a bad idea either.
@@TheAegisRelic Thanks for answering, I also was wondering about bipod. After some gameplay, I noticed(I think) it gets 5 rockets with 2 reserve+scavenger, but with BaS, and 2 reserve, you get 5 rockets per brick too. Doesn't this make BaS more ammo efficient?
nvm just tested, got 3 shots per brick on BaS, I think the bipod ammo bug got fixed btw? I tried 3 reserve bipod rocket switching to leviathan's and only got 7 shots.
Love your videos dude im hooked. But can you explain why apex predator over cold comfort? Ive been puzzled about why apex is better but cant seem to understand, would appreciate your response a lot!
Thanks Aegis! After watching this video, my car got stolen, my house blew up, and my wife filed for divorce. But what does that matter when I now can build my Hunter for Day 1 Crota's End!
All that means is more time to play destiny and more money to spend on destiny
so your single righT?
So are you gonna get worlds first solo flawless?
Ok John wick
Thank you Xemo for giving me Woven Mail, providing an additional 55% DR on top of my 100 resilience before my dad hit me with his belt, it barely hurts now!
You and your team just increased the community's damage by 20%. Thanks for the hard work.
Edit: Since a lot of people are asking, I'd like to clarify something about BnS vs. Bipod, since I glazed over this a little when recording this live:
Bait and Switch and Bipod have similar total damage numbers, especially when you consider that you are almost definitely not getting all 8 reserve rockets with BnS off on day 1 without using RDMs, which aren't really the best pick on day 1 for most players. While "dump all heavy then dump special" is a legitimate damage strategy, a lot of the reason I make videos like this is is in response to players requesting more reasonable, uniform damage rotations that will leave you with a more even distribution of ammo at the end of every phase. That's another reason why Bipod is more consistent: it syncs up a lot cleaner with weapons with longer firing times like the FTTC IKELOS and The Eremite. As soon as you try to extend a rotation to cover a phase longer than 20s, the worse BnS becomes without dumping upfront. That being said, am I swearing off BnS for this day 1? Absolutely not. Given how the leveling system has changed this season, I'd be a fool not to bring both rolls into this day 1. While I may have been more one-sided in the video, my official suggestion is bringing both rolls into the raid, and seeing which one better suits the encounter at hand. Long phases where sustained fusion/sniper fire is going to be valued? Traversal encounter with large groups of minibosses beforehand? Bipod is your guy. Short, burst phases where you can't dump Bipod as easily within your damage window? Bait and Switch is probably the way to go.
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At 15:17 I've corrected the Bipod total damage number, so it now sits at around 2.22M - I still think Bipod is the safer pick for a day 1 environment IF you are using a more extended rotation which is more appropriate for a 30+s damage phase. If your loadout is capable of dumping at least half your rockets within the first BnS proc, then Bait might be a better idea, but otherwise Bipod is the safer, more consistent pick. Crafting both is a good idea regardless of the end result, and it's easier than ever to have two rockets leveled :)
If we use a rotation like that it would be better to use foetracer as a swap after star eaters right? That way you can run three kinetic surges and still have x4 surges on your rocket and sniper.
This would likely be higher total damage
if BnS has higher total anyway then whats the point of the extended reserves?
How much of a difference in dps would a Braytech Osprey with field prep + bipod be compared to an Apex predator with recon + bipod? And great video!
Do you get more ammo per brick from bipod because of the extra reserves?
Leveled yes, but what about enhanced??
Hey aegis, recently you’ve been blowing up in the destiny community. Keep putting in the hard work that you have the past few months, it will definitely pay off.❤
Thanks!
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@@HashD2 yes
Youre becoming my favorite D2 Ytuber. There just isnt a channel quite like yours in the space. Lots of great info and insights that other channels nvr get into or try and fail to.
i agree he is infact becoming my fav youtuber
Best Destiny content on UA-cam idk why it took this long for someone to make in depth videos like this.
The secret GOAT here is A2TC's health bar damage testing tool. Wipe screen/ingame displayed damage has been notoriously inaccurate for a long time, so having a better way to actually measure things made stuff possible.
This takes away absolutely nothing from Aegis' work, of course! Just want to credit A2TC too.
this is a channel that's going to get very large very fast Aegis prepare yourself
Oof I don’t know if being popular in the destiny community is a good thing
Incredibly well structured video as always. Clear, concise and an absolute treat to follow along with, keep it up and I guarantee you’ll make it big ❤
Getting back into Destiny after a long hiatus - extremely excited for the return of my favorite raid from the franchise.
This was a timely suggestion from UA-cam’s algorithm, great video, subbed :)
Thank you so much for all this guides, I finally feel actually prepared for a day 1 raid after like 3 yearls lol. Also thank you so much for the step by step explanation on the rotations, that's something almost no one does.
Just realized you pumped out like 4 vids today. You are the GOAT
Babe wake up, a 4th video from Aegis
Babe wake up, JColli998 commented for a fourth time
babe, you woke me up 3 times today already
I approve of the Eriana's Vow pick
Very fitting, but imma use xenophage so Omar Agah can get his revenge on Crota.
My problem with bipod on a contest raid is the fact that after the first phase, as 99% of teams arnt gona 1 phase on contest, the amount of anmo needed to refill reserves fully is too high to be consistent without aeons or cenotaph, which require a higher amount of major enemies and coordination from teammates, whereas bait and switch only requires 7-9 instead of 12-14. So if you dont fully top off ammo for the second dmg phase, your dps is gona fall off a cliff
The main reason I'm so comfortable recommending Bipod here is because D1 CE strongly suggests a huge presence of Cenotaph/Aeon-viable targets in every encounter, on top of Bipod rotations shifting the balance towards your other weapons rather than eating up your rockets upfront unlike BnS.
Very valid points nonetheless!
Pretty much what aegis said, but you also have the ability to have players run something like a sunshot build that drops finders in less than 20 kills. Thinking about the amount of low tier adds expected in the raid, it still should hold fine
@@greenlukesky4615frankly, that would be possible if teammates don't end up killing all the ads so they actually count towards that finder meter.
Like you'd be good to go with 2 ammo makers if you let them kill all the ads and such, but we all know most teams won't do that so I just wish luck upon everyone who does this.
@@arakemi1080 well we’re a very well coordinated team and have used such methods before. And the double special users will likely be on say sniper shotty or sniper trace
@@greenlukesky4615 well in your case, youll probably have plenty of ammo.
but in cases like mine, my team will most likely run builds that arent focused around one thing
Loving the Aegis top D2 speedrunner to top D2 content creator arc
Aegis bouta blow up bro ur insane. the number crunching, real world experience, and confidence in what your talking abojt make your channel a go-to for new metas and dps. keep going man!
I genuinely believe you will get the worlds first. You are the first destiny 2 pve stat youtuber that knows what he is talking about.
Thank you aegis for having a video of more than 2-3 sets of weapons available for the day 1
Aegis, you have expanded my destiny knowledge significantly over the last few months. Thank you!!
Keep up the good work man, I love what you're doing in the community, im here all the way for you to get you big.
my beautiful pookie bookie sugar plum sweetums bear finally posted his day one loadouts.
this guide fixed my overseas family relationship! thanks Aegis!
So much knowledge. If you haven’t already, I hope to see you get that Day 1 belt some day.
Touch of Malice is also something to consider, as it might be one of the best primary weapons for bridge encounter.
I think touch will be good for dps on day one in a well but just for ad clear I dont think so. Mostly because day ones enemies hit hard and dying is the worst thing you can do damage will be slow no matter what however if your team can stay alive then that's whats most important
I wouldn't say it's noteworthy for anything outside of backup DPS
@@TheAegisRelicand I would say outbreak basically defines that role anyways if you’re going to use primary dps as a backup
@@mutantraze3681ToM is better after the buff and it also doesn’t depend on your whole team using it like Outbreak
Golden video, sir! Props to getting it in one take!
Witherhoard is absolutely worth running if there are multiple malfeasance hunters on your dps crew!
Yep it's absolutely worth running one (I've mentioned this) for damage if you have Malf hunters
How many Malf hunters would be your breaking point for mixing in a Wither? My team is currently planning on 2 Malf hunters. Our testing so far has not yielded great results for comparisons. @@TheAegisRelic
This helps out so many new lights
I feel like Wish-Ender is a little underrated. Even when under-leveled it hits like a truck and one-shots most red bars, does great solo DPS for a primary ammo weapon, and works ok against barrier champs. With kinetic siphon and a bunch of adds, it’s an orb printing machine. And it works at range and supports peek-shooting. At close range you can hip fire.
It all depends on how crota is handled (I’m also hoping they change the deathsingers encounter to a shuro chi like encounter but it’s highly unlikely). If we get a redux similar to oryx where damage matters then exactly that damage will matter but as is crota is mostly about survival and ad density. My current guess is the sword will be used to bring down his shields basically flipping his damage mechanic around (sword to stun and weaps to damage). The only place where damage would matter would be the oversoul if again that mechanic returns (even then I think stuff like izi rocket will more then get the job done or star eater scaled deadshot)
Agreed!
I really hope crota is still sword damage not weapon damage. If he’s not sword damage he’s gonna get absolutely dunked on by melee builds
@@tank_dempsey bruh melee build? You doing a 8 phase? There’s no shot that they don’t buff the fuck outta his health. My guess is 15 mil minimum on his health if it’s weapons damage. Also if it is still sword damage the new strand Titan aspect with stronghold bout to go stupid add a tractor cannon and we may see some crazy stuff
@@xdifficultviper9916 strongholds would do absolutely nothing with the relic sword Lmao. You can’t block with crotas sword. And I’m just saying do you really want a caretaker situation again
@@tank_dempseyare we sure that the current moon sword isn’t going to be the one in crota? Because yes in d1 guarding wasn’t a thing but when shadowkeep brought back the sword it has a guard feature which is part of the dungeon entrance mechanic. And wym by another caretaker moment? The damage is entirely different and caretaker has like iirc 24mil or something close to it putting him at the tankiest boss in the game, for reference rhulk I believe is somewhere around 18 and oryx around 20 the only other raid boss who comes close is golg but between the very long phases and the bomb it feels a lot less
Babe wake up, we missed the notification for a fourth Aegis video
You're in your lane, homie! Keep it up
Re: Bipod rockets. You might want to check out the new seasonal strand one (Semiotician). It can roll/craft with bipod and field prep, which pairs well with its origin trait that boosts reload speed (not much, but it helps). You can reload this bad boy very quickly and just spam rockets.
Semio has a worse archetype and only gains +1 over max reserves Bipod Apex with a worse affinity
Also want to add that shields will be in this day one. So arc and solar weapons for these hive enemies are gonna be highly prioritized.
Shields aren't ever really an issue in the current sandbox
Parasite is an amazing heavy for prio target killing. Brought it into Day 1 VoW and it one shot glyphkeepers in challenge mode. Can't recommend it enough on priority target fights.
Acacia's dejection is quite good to run on solar with incandescent. It helps keep the restorationx2 buff up when enemies are not close enough for incinerator snap.
If not on solar, acacia is definitely much weaker and not worth bringing.
Acasia is definitely situational I just dislike its lack of utility
I agree with alotta this but I really think witherhoard should be in everyone's loadouts even if it's not top tier dps as not everyone can apply it. It's still amazing for safe ad clear and killing high health bars enemies since you can shoot them then stay safe or in the first encounter shoot below you and all the thatll will die in it
It's not awful, just me personally, I'm not taking it into the day 1
Have 1 dedicated witherwhore and that’s it. I haven’t used witherhoard in months
Did I hear you mention my sweet baby cakes best dps most ammo efficient overlord arc daddy heavy machine gun Thunderlord?
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A few unconventional DPS strategies to maybe give a glance at.
I'm going to modify your first one and say that rewind/bns supremacy, tesselation and, bipod recon apex could be an interesting pick for solar warlocks (or titan if pyrogale is applicable) Use Starfire for the 2x nade charge, Before damage, pre-load your fusion rocket and get your nades fully charged.
Then once damage starts:
Slap down a well, fire your 4 rockets, fire your fusion rocket and load another one, empty your supremacy mag and reload, swap back to apex and repeat.
And theres also a broodweaver super, cataphraxt with envious bns and nox perennial with envious controlled. Nothing too fancy there. Open with a super, fire your energy and then your fusion, then keep shooting your gl until bns runs out and repeat. Once you're out of gl ammo, just use the nox since that should have decentish dps.
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I do not recommend Cataphract for day 1 whatsoever
Id still say witherhoard is good even if only for buffing malfeasance
Yeah I've mentioned it explicitly for buffing Malf for one person I believe (in other videos)
@@TheAegisRelic you did later on in this one too actually
Final Warning is low-key special level strong especially against single target as long as youre within range 🙂
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All these vids are so helpful
my go-to kinetic sniper has been thoughtless with enhanced overflow + firing line
Fine but awful total damage and mediocre DPS compared to stuff like Supremacy/Succession
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me watching this knowing full well I'm not Day 1 raiding, but I don't wanna have bummy dps when I lfg on normal mode
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You are insane, good stuff!
In this small amount of time u got so popular keep the stuff
Thanks for the tips!
For the long range damage rotation, how would a Clown/Firing line Distant Tumulus compare to the Ikelos SR roll that you suggested?
Wondering same thing. I have same roll distant or a seraph round tripple tap high impact reserves ikelos
Would also be fine, just leaves you with less ammo in your energy slot when you swap back to something like Forbearance
Great video lots of usefull information but where does the best gun in the game thunderlord fit in in all of this?
In the vault
I know you may know this but with luckypants is only possible for 17 malf shots to be buffed not 18 if u thought that
A bunch of people have been telling me 18 recently I don't know who to believe any more :sob:
@@TheAegisRelic just shoot into any boss n u will see
Bow, forby, Sword launch build
Omni/Heavy drop build.
Great video! What spreadsheet is that you have for boss dps and could you post the link for it?
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_5wtBjRYHHxuF4oJKDb_iOGZs-wTkzB6RYbnyNLbuz4/edit#gid=0
Love you aegis
have you considered foetracer as opposed to lucky pants on hunters? since if you run solar specifically you get a higher surge bonus for apex and ikelos, plus you are free to run triple kinetic for izzy. I dont have the mental capacity to work out the numbers but the only extra req is throwing a grenade or melee before you fire off apex
Yeah it's something I'm aware of, Gunslinger is just not my default recommendation for hunters on day 1
Thanks for guide 😎
Gonna be an odd ask but whats your opinion on using eyes of tomorrow for ad clear in encounters such as abyss with the changes allowing it to essentially never run out of ammo if used properly
Honestly not a bad pick
Noice
@@TheAegisRelic i dont have a recon bns or recon bipod apex yet cause i took a big break and just came back, all i have is slideways bns with impact. Should i run slideways if im comfortable with that swap, or should i just use an autoloading cluster hezen vengeance since i was looking at the dps spreadsheet and it doesnt seem too bad
the fetty wap lumina goes crazy
For those, like myself, who prefer just using a single special and heavy rotation rather than double special and heavy rotation, what would be best?
Izanagi + rocket bipod/bns?
That's definitely an option yeah
Why do people keep speculating that Malfeasance will be disabled? The slug explosion is unstoppable. The hand cannon itself is not. That's why overload works. Does it do a ton of damage? Sure. It's an exotic with vorpal and HCs just got a needed buff. Does Lucky Pants make it a viable DPS choice? Absolutely. Does the exotic have a 100% uptime? Not at all. It's more like 45% because you have to reload before stowing and there's a 10-second cooldown. You also have to weigh which surge mods you want to prioritize. It has a microscopic amount of ad-clear potential that Sunshot puts to shame. It is only good at one thing. And it has to be on a hunter. IDK why everyone's crying wolf.
It's likely an unintended interaction which is likely to be fixed by Bungie
Does anyone know how to get the ikelos sniper that was shown?
It's farmable from Seraph atm I think
are you going to do a retroperspective after day 1 on what went as expected or what went wrong? Would love to see it
Sure!
What’s funny to me is that everyone is going insane prepping for this raid, but we all know good and well that sisters and crota are just going to be rocket dump bosses. Everything else is ad clear. Literally just need the person who’s on sword to run tractor to debuff crota prior to damage. Also a couple people on snipes to shoot oversoul. My guess is that wardcliff will one shot the oversoul tho
We'll see :P
@@TheAegisRelic I do hope I’m wrong though. I’d like to see some shake up with the mechanics. I’ve also not looked at the supposed raid mechanic leak or whatever
Some really great info here, I appreciate your videos a lot. Question though, you mentioned Graviton Lance on void hunter, do you think that's a better option than using Le Monarch? Thanks
After the 67% damage buff from last season it's better, especially for big groups of ads
aegis
first of all, amazing video, really good stuff, question: with your eremite roll which mod would you use, backup mag to maximize envious assasin at max reserves w 3x solar reserves at 20? or boss spec but having a maxed envious at 18 instead of 20?
Can do either tbh the likelihood of you dumping 18 in a row is really low and you can always Backup swap
God bless everyone and have a good day!,
Instructions unclear, i'm using thunderlord
Hahahaha
Thank you!
Great Video! Very informative for covering all options. Is there any way we can get our hands on that dps spreadsheet?
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_5wtBjRYHHxuF4oJKDb_iOGZs-wTkzB6RYbnyNLbuz4/edit#gid=0
Thank you!
I know you went over it but for ikelos sg what would be the roll you want? I know you said cascade point/surrounded but one thing I just don’t know is the magazine to use for it because it doesn’t come with assault mag.
Tac is fine
@@TheAegisRelicthank you ❤
Thanks for this huge help! Very helpful
I'm not sure I've undestood in what bipod is better than BnS because the 2 options are around the same total damage and BnS has more dps. You prefer bipod for the economy?
you have more rockets so it lasts longer which makes you less likely to waste your special ammos afterwards? Well can't you just take BnS, use all your rockets and then not shoot with your special if it is the problem? Or you can use all your special if it is last phase. I just feel like taking BnS gives you the choice to do the same as bipod OR do more damage but using a lot of special.
I mean i really cant understand why it should be better to take an option with the same total dmg (even less as i can see in the comments) and less dps than BnS.
Unless you're using all 9 rockets back to back within the first BnS period (which incentivizes disproportionate dumping of your rocket), Bipod is the safer pick overall, although I'm not swearing off BnS in its entirety - it's still a good pick
@@TheAegisRelic alright thanks!
This guy KNOWS!
Quick question:
If I’m matching surges with apex, would it be better to run the eremite or cartesian for pure damage? My roll has lead from gold on cartesian, so that’s why I’m leaning towards it. But if eremite has more damage / better for rotations, then I may use that!
What would you recommend?
Eremite
@@TheAegisRelic cool cool, thanks man!
i feel like it'll get cleared in like 3 hours or so, Crota was quite a pathetic raid, now imagine how easy it would be with all the new toys we have
either that or it has a champion on every corner to try making it a 'challenge'
So, for the long range extended damage rotation, why Ikelos over Distant Tumulus? Wouldn't Tumulus fulfill the same role (especially with manual reloads) but with slightly higher dps? Feels unrealistic that you are going to be using the full reserves to the point where ammo becomes a concern with your secondary sniper
FTTC nearly doubles total reserves > good conversion for after DPS
i legit got the 4/5 strand fusion right before seeing this video LOL
Great videos tysm
In 6 man no in 3 man and lower maybe
@@TheAegisRelic Thank you!
The goat
The rocket damage rotation that you recommend requires someone running gjallarhorn right?
And to confirm, the gjallarhorn player runs:
Supremacy w/ rewind rounds & enhanced kinetic tremors
Ikelos SR w/ FTTC & focused fury
and the cycle is:
- 1 gjally shot
- 2 supremacy shots
- 4 ikelos shots and reload
Question: should we run enhanced focused fury on the Ikelos SR?
Yes that is correct and no you don't need to but you can
Looking for advice from anyone here, but I’m planning on running a sunshot build with sunbracers on my warlock for day 1. For context, we’re a bit warlock heavy this time, but I wasn’t sure if it was worth running in between phases for ammo or even just for add clear in non boss stuff. I’ve personally liked it in master content this season but I feel like I’m missing something
If you had to use a primary on Sunbracers Sunshot would be the one, you're not missing anything
@@TheAegisRelic ideally I’m just dropping heavy for my double special lords and they burst all the champs
i feel like witherhoard will be good for the thrall portion in the beginning
Not a bad pick just didn't make it into my selection of weapons
Sadly I don't have a Bipod roll of Apex Predator BUT I do have one Bipod rocket being Braytech Osprey (high impacts should be buffed) that is adept with Envious Assassin/Pulse Monitor with Bipod.
ME HOARDING LOOT actually is WORTH the time
any replacement options if I dont have ikelos sniper? ty ♥
You can use The Eremite (3 shots instead of 8 IKELOS)
I just hope i can find a good LFG team that are competent enough to actually complete it
Hey man thanks for making this, do you also recommend these weapons for overall any activity?
If they're good enough for day 1 they're certainly good enough for anything else haha
Do you have an opinion on Divinity rocket swapping for LFG scenarios? It's a lower % than Tractor (though nothing preventing someone else from also using a Tractor/30% as well maybe?); you can still provide a crit bubble for utility (more or less useful, depending on the weapon used)-and notably, unlike Tractor, you can swap back and forth with an ALH rocket (with something like Wolfpack, I assume this is decent damage?) and keep full uptime on the debuff.
Only asking because I haven't seen it on any proper charts, or discussed much at all. Curious if there was a memo about the strategy I missed! 😅
Div swapping hasn't been viable for over a year, 15% debuff killed it completely and hotswap nerf made it so bubble goes down
I looked into this last season and I can't find a realistic situation where you can stack enough handling that you don't lose div bubble uptime
@21:16 lol i have that Mindbenders Adept with Snapshot and Vorpal in my vault, marked as junk... but why not a Sojourners slug with AL and Frenzy? Or a Felwinter with Vorpal/Surplus also 80 impact.
Sojourner's is worse, Felwinter's has no Assault
@@TheAegisRelicyou had 6 in the mag, so wasn’t with Assault mag?
Is there a link to the damage spreadsheet anywhere?
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_5wtBjRYHHxuF4oJKDb_iOGZs-wTkzB6RYbnyNLbuz4/edit#gid=0
Nice video! One question, I don’t have Ikelos Sniper - what can i use in damage rotation instead that is currently obtainable?
Eremite
I don’t have an ikelos SR, but I have a twilight oath with vorpal.
Wouldn’t vorpal in this situation be better than focused fury? Vorpal 15% dmg buff, where focused fury is 20% on 1/2 the mag
Both guns are rapid fire frame solar energy snipers with 55 impact damage.
No FTTC, and Fury is active for every shot after the first 3 if you're using Flared
Hey, great video! May I ask what would be your go to damage rotation for the Gjallahorn user? and which class would be the most optimal to run Gjally with?
If you're doing sniper I'd do 2 Supremacy > 4 IKELOS > 1 Gjally > dash repeat
I'd say either Nightstalker or Dawnblade
@@TheAegisRelic Thanks for the taking the time to make these videos and to reply (:
I have a question or two about loadouts/damage phases. Lets say that I am the arc hunter and I've been running the 3 weapons you've mentioned for your hunter day 1 video. Is it better to stick with tractor as the heavy and just refresh occasonally while doing special dps or is tractoring a boss then switching to a star-eaters loadout with Izzy, Ikeos sr3 and apex better/ more consistent dps?
Really depends on your team's ammo situation, in an optimal scenario you're applying Tractor, swapping loadout, using Shoot to Loot to get heavy, then doing damage while refreshing Rapid-Fire Ranger, but honestly sticking to Tractor and a sniper or fusion is a much safer choice
@@TheAegisRelic Thanks for the really quick answer! Your videos have been a huge help in getting my classes ready for day 1.
Would it be worth it to bring LFRs? I have a crafted Apex (kalli go brrr) but i feel like Deathsinger standing still would probably be easy to crit with them
I don't think so
Nice video! Do you have any opinions in regards to using techeun force or loaded question in certain mid-range damage rotations? I’ve been testing out a few smog rotations myself and these two have been synergizing well with Malf/Iza and Apex
Techeun fine but doesn't surge match
@aegis I was curious as to why you didn’t mention funnel web or even calus mini tool etc
I don't think they are better than traces in any way
@@TheAegisRelic even with ammo potentially being an issue etc
@@codking4935 aegis has been recommending special finisher more; really the only thing that's changed about double special is you can't rely on heavy weapons as backup add clear if you screw up anymore, gotta be a little more on point with abilities/efficiency instead
Very nice breakdown. What do you suggest for the Ghorn user instead of Izanagi? Legendary sniper/fusion?
Either fusions or snipers yeah
Ur the man
Hey Aegis, you've probably answered this before but I wanted to know what mods you would equip on your loadouts, like reserves vs resistance, more scavenger mods vs surges, or ammo finder/scout, and if that would make a primary ever worth using? I'm also curious whether weapon kills have higher ammo drop rates vs ability kill, it's just something I feel might be true but don't know. The thing I'm most concerned about is ammo, since bosses like Oryx and Daughters had no finisher targets to generate heavy off of for day one. Do you think this might happen again?
I would have a reserves + scavs loadout, a finisher loadout, a mechanics loadout, a damage loadout, and maybe a final stand loadout. If you're planning on starting with double special, keeping a primary in your back pocket isn't a bad idea either.
@@TheAegisRelic Thanks for answering, I also was wondering about bipod. After some gameplay, I noticed(I think) it gets 5 rockets with 2 reserve+scavenger, but with BaS, and 2 reserve, you get 5 rockets per brick too. Doesn't this make BaS more ammo efficient?
nvm just tested, got 3 shots per brick on BaS, I think the bipod ammo bug got fixed btw? I tried 3 reserve bipod rocket switching to leviathan's and only got 7 shots.
Love your videos dude im hooked. But can you explain why apex predator over cold comfort? Ive been puzzled about why apex is better but cant seem to understand, would appreciate your response a lot!
Cold is fine but Apex is safer and more consistent for full reserve dumping without RDMs