Glad to see Parasite on top. It really feels great on already strong ability builds to just look at a boss and say "I want you off my screen right now" and then it actually works
7:05 I don’t know what makes Khvostov “commital”, the ricochets are there when you’re using it, there’s no real penalty for swapping, the only requirement is to pick up orbs. I think the gun just feels good to shoot so it feels weird to swap off of it, there’s nothing holding you back but the monkey brain that wants to hear the ricochet noise more.
Feels weird to call it committal when the example he gave is literally the most committal primary in the game 💀 Khvostov is powerful not only because of the damage and AoE, but also how easy it is to utilise. Orbs of power generate everywhere, the activated exotic perk stays and refreshes between weapon swaps, and the weapon has Shoot to Loot to get both orbs and ammo bricks from a distance
I mean if you’re going to use khovostov to ad clear optimally, you do want to shoot to loot the orbs and continuously fire at the ads to ensure the maximum amount of AOE. Otherwise why don’t you just swap to a healclip /incandescent wave frame gl, since it’s got better subclass synergy and sustainability? I love the atheistic and nostalgic of Khovostov, that’s why I have over 20000 kills on it, but I do agree with him about the “commitment”
Shoot to loot is also a genuinely goated perk and always has been and has been more relevant in every day 1 raid than a damage perk on a primary so that alone makes it more viable as an exotic primary than almost every other choice in the game except for Riskrunner which is actually a committal exotic
@@johnwayne7293 I don't think high commitment is when the good is good at AOE while you fire it. I don't think sunshot is high commitment because it only does AOE while you fire it. High commitment is Ex Diris opting you into mothkeeper wraps, Tarrabah punishing you for stowing it, or revision zero requiring you to build stacks slowly for champ killing.
I personally use Ice Breaker every day, as an ammo box. I refill my Choir of One/Aberrant Action from 0% to 100% in about 20-30s with Sunbracers/Fisto Roboto Hunter. It’s doing a really good job at being a support Exotic, as intended(fr fr)
This is actually a use case I considered when I was making the list, if it isn't patched I'll probably move Ice Breaker a bit higher, it's definitely the weapon with the most volatility in my placements right now
I think even though it got buffed, it's still bugged. It was meant to get an explosion damage buff and an impact buff, but never got the impact buff, so it's still not doing the damage it should.
I think the only thing worth looking into that you might have missed is Vexcalibur. While it didn't get buffed directly, void overshield's DR did, and considering it guarantees full uptime on that damage resistance while blocking its even more tanky than it was previously. It's now more comparable to strongholds in Grandmasters but requires less build dedication for a functionally similar purpose.
Honestly I didn't think about Vexcalibur when looking at the seasonal changes to Void Overshield, however I don't think that it necessarily changes the placement of the exotic since it's still a glaive
I've pretty much permanently been on Choir of One + Lost signal/liturgy this season. Choir of One is still stupidly good, can't imagine how it was last season before the nerfs, I didn't use it much then.
@@NightfiendI normally don’t like destabilizing rounds but it def makes the add clear better. And the volatile explosions if they kill any enemy give prismatic warlock devour
@Nightfiend I've been using destabilizing rounds. Onslaught is great too but it kinda hurts the ammo economy if you're running double special. One of the coolest and best feeling guns they've ever made imo. Right up there with graviton lance. Never thought they'd add a special ammo auto rifle but I'm glad they did. We need more like it in archetypes that are typically primary ammo.
So with regards to Ice Breaker, I think the best place for it is GM's, where you just... *get* ammo for free by doing the things you already wanna do in them: kill enemies. It's very handy for any GM where you have a bunch of enemies up ahead, because one headshot just... pops them all. And if you can get Radiant, on demand, it RUINS barrier champions.
I am glad parasite is ranked as the best exotic heavy weapon let alone in the A tier. It by far my favorite exotic and such a weird fun extremely well designed weapon that like isn't gamebreaking but makes you feel like you're cheating sometimes which I feel is what an exotic should ideally shoot for.
It still sometimes makes me double take when I see just how much damage that single x20 worm can do. Sometimes it even happens from the grave because I **really** don't know how big the aoe is either lol.
I like the idea of S Tier just being reserved for meta-warping Exotics, and perfectly understandabled that there's nothing there right now, for better or worse. Do we want an exotic like Gally just completely taking over everything? Dunno.
Hey aegis, I have been doing some napkin math and it seems like with horseman impetus chill, bold endings might be better than warden’s law due to surge matching and having arc surge available for horseman. This is only even better if you can proc collective action which seems to be the best damage perk for it since getting a random elemental pickup isn’t all that difficult. Bold endings is terrible in neutral but simply having a loadout with alethonym fixes both ad clear and allows you more total damage by making ammo.
I am waiting for the Z tier at this point But for real, I think introducing a new tier to get rid of some noise in the upper tiers is really smart. And W S-Tier take
Parasite could be S imo. What else gives you super level burst damage every 20s. Crucially, it's a weapon that also gets better as the content gets harder. The more you have to kill, the more worms hunger stacks. It's versatile and competitive in almost every encounter. If you're not on Eager Edge, Parasite will be competitive every time. And the only build craft required is 1 holster mod. And the reserves holy. You can insta-kill every major and still bring competitive boss DMG for low effort for every phase. AND it's a swap weapon with no commitment needed.
even tho its railing the entire rest of the game, still, its DPS potential can mostly be described as just "decent", and if you seriously wanted to have some optimal damage you'd go for HGLs
@Neuloo fair. But 5 mil imo is more than just decent Source: Chicken DPS vids. It's kinda only suboptimal in speeds right? But it still sees some use there on low HP bosses
Kinda surprised tractor got lowered. Sure we can weaken in other ways but not to 30% or whatever. I think alethonym is B tier but I just love that gun.
Alethonym might have some use in raids and dungeons, having what is essentially another witherhoard with a free ammo perk is nice. The dot damage is good and works well with bait and switch weapons. Shame there's no auto loading for it though.
@@devonstrickland5640 on close range combat with trench barrel shotguns or shotgun swap Tractor guy can still do much dmg On SE 2nd encounter trench barrel song of flame tractor warlock shine even on master version of the raid
buried bloodline in A is extremely real. i've loved that thing since i got my hands on it for basically whatever content i'm playing that isn't a gm or a dps encounter
Honestly even for GM's it feels solid to me, being able to proc Devour on literally any subclass is awesome, and having the catalyst so you can have easy access to weaken is always a plus
I think Whisper being Optimal for day1s is a little bit of a stretch. Sure it has good dps and total damage, but you get almost 0 mobility with it. These days you basically have to move during day1 damage phases, but I do think it's viable if the team can pull it off
Thanks as always! And yea I think you're right that there isn't really an S tier exotic that we're "always" using right now. I'm curious how much of that is because of the overwhelming domination of HGLs right now? I am expecting that either Episode: Heresy or the Apollo expansion will come with a hefty nerf to HGLs...
I think you're underrating ice breaker a bit. having an unlimited ammo sniper in GM's or Master level content in general is a big deal imo. once the ignitions gets fixed it'll get even better
Since anti barrier buff to deterministic chaos and volatile buff to fighting lion when paired with controlled demolition aspect on void titan ......gives a lethal out come. Similarly Salvation grip for Stasis icefall titan is really good Smgs with peacekeeper and strand titan are beyond good now
Did you factor in the "bug" currently where repeated ignitions do compoundingly less damage for DB in your calculations? DB was great during Season of the Wish, then once they released VH it feels like DB got taken out back behind the shed.
Kinda wish they'd add tractor's weaken to Heartshadow and then make it so tractor has it's old weaken effect for improved void damage, could shake up that heavy slot weakening a little.
Problem with that would be powercreep, because then things like deterministic chaos would be even MORE useless and would need it to be buffed desperately. Especially since heartshadow has a lot more damage than tractor
@ I was just thinking of it as pushing heartshadow into a cooler niche while also keeping tractor superior for people who want to stack void weapons for that 50% debuff it used to have. Deterministic is a lost cause though genuinely needs a glow up to make it comparable to thunderlord. Maybe enhances volatile and gets multiple void perks like repulsor and destabilizing?
I really agree with you alot of the exotics feel good but not s tier and its just sad we need more broken exotic weapons nothing really feels broken this season
If I could make a case here alethonym should be a B tier or A tier its a primary grenade launcher (best frame and 20% bonus damage on minors) and its catalyst according to the api is going to be one for all, its blast radius is a respectable amount so using this for both clearing ads at a distance or just sticking onto a champ and generating ammo is really useful for gms and raids (I mean come on if cenotaph, aeon, and perks that give inventory size are so good because of that why not this gun)
btw my second drop in trials was a non-adept tomorrow's answer with Envious Arsenal and Bait and Switch. no impact casing, but it got smart drift and implosion rounds.
You’ll probably need to retest all ignition weapons when they fix that bug. But ignitions are currently bugged making it not do the damage it’s supposed to do
I’m the biggest revision zero glazer and yeah kinda does need to be in F tier. It got outclassed by Eriana’s Vow since it got a giga buff last episode. Not saying it’s bad just kinda sucks knowing a semi niche exotic got outclassed again by the better anti barrier options.
He's in trials jail for the new rocket and he doesn't have new dungeon gl either. I think he has a few friends with the rolls though, so it shouldn't be a big deal.
wondering what you think of the prospector still? I see it's low on the docs but you had it recommended as consitent heavy exotic on one of your last videos. if it is good is it only because of the seasonal mods?
Actually Surprised to see deterministic chaos so low. Was using it with a cadmus ridge lancecap build the other day and I was clearing the highest difficulty lost sector nearly 40 light under on that day in around 3 minutes each run. . . Though I can definitely see why it's so low I think it is definitely still worth using with specific builds
Can't wait to see where icebreaker is. I've put nearly 4k kills on it since I got it on day1. Such a fun weapon. It's staying glued to each stasis build I make going forward.
I agree with everything except bad juju. It is an easier to use more potent necrochasm with built in super regen. Definitely deserving to be the the same tier as necrochasm at least.
@ you clearly haven’t used bad juju since the buff. It has a very strong aoe that gets buffed by string of curses to be higher damage than necrochasm. It also procs off body shots and the aoe can proc itself making it much easier to use and stronger than necrochasm.
@ i meant to say good aoe, its aoe is fine once youve maxed out string of curses but compared to what you get from a single kill on necrochasm its really not that good. also the aoe is nowhere near as wide and cannot chain in the way necro can so it really isnt thay great. on top of that super energy is incredibly easy to generate whether its from orbs or passively through damage so bad juju isnt ever part of the conversation when it comes to go to primaries, for most people anyway.
@@postmental_thoughts having to hit precision hits with a 720(900) rpm auto is much more cumbersome than hitting body shots. The super regen is relevant and the aoe has the same radius as necro but it does more damage. Not much else needs to be said.
@ maybe if you play on controller you might have troubles but otherwise i really dont think so. earlier today i tried them both out in highest tier lost sectors and solo haunted sectors and checked the speed of which i could complete them with each weapon with builds that would maximise their efficiency and honestly while necro did do a bit better there wasnt as much discrepancy as i assumed. ill concede i was maybe a bit harsh on bad juju but nonetheless necro still did outperform for most of the runs i did. even while building into my super with the bad juju build i still found that the rates if which i could have my super up were perceptible but not really that drastically different in terms of actually having good opportunities to use my super, so the slightly slower but entirely braindead way of getting relatively fast supers that is just generating orbs and using armour mods that increase your charge rate isnt all too much worse than bad juju in the scheme of things.
I was surprised to hear you say that theres a big exotic heavy presence in the endgame meta right now. Pretty much everyone I see is still using a GL. But then again I'm also far from an elite player, LMAO. Is it mostly just Parasite and Levi's?
Just out of curiosity and completely opinion based, do you prefer metas that have no exotic weapons in S tier? Or do you think its more exciting, fun, etc. to have an exotic so good people build their entire strategies around them?
Personally, I find seasons where nothing stands out too much far more enjoyable. More builds tend to be viable and you end up getting a lot more variety in your playstyle. What people miss in times like these is that you can still build entire strategies around an exotic if you want but the key is that you have options. Otherwise I’m just gonna be stuck on whatever S tier option exists for 4 months.
Honestly no S tiers is nice. No S tier means no weapon is truly dominant and the meta isn't super narrow. Instead of the usual use x or do jack shit metas we have a proper varied meta where there's no one right answer right now. That's better for the health of the game in my opinion. S tiers just don't play all that interestingly after the first 10 times.
what would be considered the best heavy void weapon to pair with choir of one? chill inhibitor, edge transit, faith-keeper or tomorrow's answer? (faith keeper is the only heavy with explosive light on this list, everything else has bait and switch) (chill inhibitor and tomorrow's answer have envious arsenal, the other two have auto loading as preferable for sustain damage)
Chill inhibitor is stasis but for the other 3 it depends what you're doing. Faith keeper does less damage per rocket being a precision frame but holds more reserves so it's nice for general gameplay.
Normal void weaken through abilities and perks is only a 15% damage increase. Tractor Cannon and Tether are the only two sources of weaken that increase damage by 30% instead.
Ice Breaker is definitely NOT D tier. With a good stasis selection, this thing turns into an add clear monster. Constant shatter and ignitions. It also serves as a viable swap weapon for damage rotation due to free ammo just for getting ad kills (and assists).
Remember that this is a list made for the tippy top 1-10% level of gameplay, Icebreaker is very good but he also stated a good ad clear option can just be popping prismatic. I still used it in gms and such but snipers as a whole still struggles a little
@@thrax4939 It's fantastic in GM's. I've been using it in lightblade this week and it's comfortable having an unlimited ammo sniper that can add clear and does pretty good damage to champs and yellow bars
Hmmm... Add clear... On a sniper? I see your saying it has add clear, but it's also a sniper. And why would I do that, when I could run like, a pulse, hand cannon, sidearm. Literally any of the above, and not have to worry about landing a sniper shot on adds. Also, it's not a chain reaction sort of effect, so it only gets that first burst.
parasite rlly feels amazing on vesper and its great in other content, never used it bfr but i like it a lot now that being said, as much as it pains me, it makes me so happy for icebreaker to be in D, ppl praising on this gun when if you do the same stuff with it and a legendary sniper and the legendary has more uptime is wild, someone needs to tell bungo that 1 bullet every 2 kills has less uptime than a single red bar with a chance to give you 14~ no scavenger or anything, not taking into account discord or fttc btw, this is without running stasis, but for me running stasis is a nerf by itself, so now i got a double nerf by icebreaker and another one by stasis, the new archetype helps but also does damage, for me it feels bad more than good, feels great for tose oneshots, but when it doesnt..... and if it does also hurts the gun bcs then it doesnt count for the ammo generation, a normal 90rpm most of the time doesnt kill in one shot, so i change to a primary and finish with it, a play style that would greatly help icebreaker.....
I’ve been using it in GMs with prismatic Hunter(HIMO and Cent) the duskfield grenade and smoke with the ability spam build it deletes champions and you get back like 4-5 shots per champion kills so it’s like infinite ammo. It does take some skill to use but it’s my go to exotic for gms rn. Smoke makes it go through barriers and shattering with ignition for unstops.
Red Death Reformed - No splash damage and unnecessary sustain ---> F tier But Buried Bloodline which also has no splash damage and unnecessary sustain is A tier? And Red death doesnt need ammo while BB needs special ammo? Not saying Red death needs to be A tier but for how close these 2 are, having 4 whole tiers between them doesnt seem right
Buried Bloodline does good dmg to beefier targets, gives health back on hits, gives better healing (devour) and devour gives grenade energy, when u have devour u weaken targets, its way better buddy
man... I dont play D2 anymore and I use these videos to kind of judge if I believe the meta is healthy (by my metrics) and the fact that exotics are no longer build-defining is just sad. I will probably never return to D2 given the direction this is going.
i dont play the game much anymore but isnt that a good thing??? wouldnt you have much higher build variety if your exotic is used to supplement a build rather than being the only reason the build is viable. i thought more options and player freedom was a good thing.
Aggressive frame fusion guy here. I think you forgot to put Coriolis force in the S tier of this list. Personally, I think revision zero is a tier or so higher. Not because it itself is really strong, but because it enables double special while still having a primary. Though I think we tend to value weapons for different reasons. I focus on if a weapon enables a unique gameplay loop that's reasonably powerful rather than how meta it is for my personal exotic tier list.
He initially did a small update to the tier list sometime around Vesper's host (I can't remember if it was before or after) and then did a more comprehensive pass with Festival.
You don't really tend to run both as it's a big loss in uptime for whatever else you want to do, and No Hesitation is an even greater bonus than Lumina since it's 10% multiplicative
Not really It restricts your mobility and it has inherent low dmg every shot while the solar ignition can only be proced with 4 precision shots so not really good for add clear Rocket sidearms do a better job add clearing and it also allows players to move around and can also help reduce ability cooldown for ability spam The most important Sitting in the back of the room shooting scout rifles is not effective and is not safe in most scenarios （like in GM Light Blade this week etc ）Polaris only stood out in season of the wish with solar artifacts
Give Still Hunt a catalyst that provides a stacking damage buff on precision hits (maybe 5% up to max of 6 for 10s, just spitballing though I recognize that might be way too much) to make shooting it raw not that bad and also to give the GG shots a damage boost without having to play Nighthawk Hunter. I don’t think that would be absolutely busted, but even it if is it’s now good on all classes
ok but why isn't Borealis in the now missing S tier? Completely carried me through the heroic patrol I did on Europa last night
many are saying this
Damn straight
Agreeable. Carries patrols every time
This Borealis domination must end. It's meta defining.
It’s been broken for too long bungie is ruining the sandbox harder than auto load and anarchy metas
Glad to see Parasite on top. It really feels great on already strong ability builds to just look at a boss and say "I want you off my screen right now" and then it actually works
reporting all players that are using an exotic b tier or below
Based and sigma pilled
Too lenient. True alpha vets report anyone using less than S
Do not forget blocking them
Sooo true
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My shilling for Necrochasm in last season's comment section paid off 🥳
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parasite so goated i can't believe it doesnt have a catalyst yet
What could a catalyst be aside from maybe auto-loading holster?
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7:05 I don’t know what makes Khvostov “commital”, the ricochets are there when you’re using it, there’s no real penalty for swapping, the only requirement is to pick up orbs.
I think the gun just feels good to shoot so it feels weird to swap off of it, there’s nothing holding you back but the monkey brain that wants to hear the ricochet noise more.
Khvostov with those auto rifle artifact perks last season gave me a chubby ngl
Feels weird to call it committal when the example he gave is literally the most committal primary in the game 💀
Khvostov is powerful not only because of the damage and AoE, but also how easy it is to utilise. Orbs of power generate everywhere, the activated exotic perk stays and refreshes between weapon swaps, and the weapon has Shoot to Loot to get both orbs and ammo bricks from a distance
I mean if you’re going to use khovostov to ad clear optimally, you do want to shoot to loot the orbs and continuously fire at the ads to ensure the maximum amount of AOE. Otherwise why don’t you just swap to a healclip /incandescent wave frame gl, since it’s got better subclass synergy and sustainability? I love the atheistic and nostalgic of Khovostov, that’s why I have over 20000 kills on it, but I do agree with him about the “commitment”
Shoot to loot is also a genuinely goated perk and always has been and has been more relevant in every day 1 raid than a damage perk on a primary so that alone makes it more viable as an exotic primary than almost every other choice in the game except for Riskrunner which is actually a committal exotic
@@johnwayne7293 I don't think high commitment is when the good is good at AOE while you fire it. I don't think sunshot is high commitment because it only does AOE while you fire it.
High commitment is Ex Diris opting you into mothkeeper wraps, Tarrabah punishing you for stowing it, or revision zero requiring you to build stacks slowly for champ killing.
I personally use Ice Breaker every day, as an ammo box. I refill my Choir of One/Aberrant Action from 0% to 100% in about 20-30s with Sunbracers/Fisto Roboto Hunter. It’s doing a really good job at being a support Exotic, as intended(fr fr)
This is actually a use case I considered when I was making the list, if it isn't patched I'll probably move Ice Breaker a bit higher, it's definitely the weapon with the most volatility in my placements right now
its hilarious that this is how it was in destiny 1 too, to the detriment of PVP for years. I guess time is circular...
Any weapon that does ignition damage ie. Dragons breath is bugged. All ignition game wide are bugged. Dragons breath got shafted
Aware, damage values for DBreath are from last season
Ex Diris at F tier is wild
I think even though it got buffed, it's still bugged. It was meant to get an explosion damage buff and an impact buff, but never got the impact buff, so it's still not doing the damage it should.
In optimal endgame play it doesn't really have a home sadly (outside of speedrunning)
thanks for all the recent videos :)
I think the only thing worth looking into that you might have missed is Vexcalibur. While it didn't get buffed directly, void overshield's DR did, and considering it guarantees full uptime on that damage resistance while blocking its even more tanky than it was previously. It's now more comparable to strongholds in Grandmasters but requires less build dedication for a functionally similar purpose.
just do stronghold sword
@@Phil-en8dz, yeah, lets use stronghold on warlock
Honestly I didn't think about Vexcalibur when looking at the seasonal changes to Void Overshield, however I don't think that it necessarily changes the placement of the exotic since it's still a glaive
I've pretty much permanently been on Choir of One + Lost signal/liturgy this season. Choir of One is still stupidly good, can't imagine how it was last season before the nerfs, I didn't use it much then.
What catalyst do you run with it?
@@NightfiendI normally don’t like destabilizing rounds but it def makes the add clear better. And the volatile explosions if they kill any enemy give prismatic warlock devour
@@SavvyMon4I use destabilizing for the ammo economy, just so it actually does well at getting the kills
@Nightfiend I've been using destabilizing rounds. Onslaught is great too but it kinda hurts the ammo economy if you're running double special.
One of the coolest and best feeling guns they've ever made imo. Right up there with graviton lance. Never thought they'd add a special ammo auto rifle but I'm glad they did. We need more like it in archetypes that are typically primary ammo.
So with regards to Ice Breaker, I think the best place for it is GM's, where you just... *get* ammo for free by doing the things you already wanna do in them: kill enemies. It's very handy for any GM where you have a bunch of enemies up ahead, because one headshot just... pops them all. And if you can get Radiant, on demand, it RUINS barrier champions.
I am glad parasite is ranked as the best exotic heavy weapon let alone in the A tier. It by far my favorite exotic and such a weird fun extremely well designed weapon that like isn't gamebreaking but makes you feel like you're cheating sometimes which I feel is what an exotic should ideally shoot for.
It still sometimes makes me double take when I see just how much damage that single x20 worm can do. Sometimes it even happens from the grave because I **really** don't know how big the aoe is either lol.
It's funny how almost literally everything that was meta for Witness at the start of the expansion has been pretty significantly nerfed by now
Thank you aegis for your hard work for the community 🙌🙌
I like the idea of S Tier just being reserved for meta-warping Exotics, and perfectly understandabled that there's nothing there right now, for better or worse. Do we want an exotic like Gally just completely taking over everything? Dunno.
Hey aegis, I have been doing some napkin math and it seems like with horseman impetus chill, bold endings might be better than warden’s law due to surge matching and having arc surge available for horseman. This is only even better if you can proc collective action which seems to be the best damage perk for it since getting a random elemental pickup isn’t all that difficult.
Bold endings is terrible in neutral but simply having a loadout with alethonym fixes both ad clear and allows you more total damage by making ammo.
I can try it out
Awesome list! I would love a build video with a few common speedrun builds
Might do it later :P
We appreciate all your hard work, brother!
I am waiting for the Z tier at this point
But for real, I think introducing a new tier to get rid of some noise in the upper tiers is really smart. And W S-Tier take
Nice list, helped me with some build ideas. Agree with you about dropping S tier for Exotics, this season feels like its all about BnS Heavy GLs
Parasite could be S imo. What else gives you super level burst damage every 20s. Crucially, it's a weapon that also gets better as the content gets harder. The more you have to kill, the more worms hunger stacks. It's versatile and competitive in almost every encounter.
If you're not on Eager Edge, Parasite will be competitive every time. And the only build craft required is 1 holster mod. And the reserves holy. You can insta-kill every major and still bring competitive boss DMG for low effort for every phase. AND it's a swap weapon with no commitment needed.
even tho its railing the entire rest of the game, still, its DPS potential can mostly be described as just "decent", and if you seriously wanted to have some optimal damage you'd go for HGLs
@Neuloo fair. But 5 mil imo is more than just decent Source: Chicken DPS vids. It's kinda only suboptimal in speeds right? But it still sees some use there on low HP bosses
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Kinda surprised tractor got lowered. Sure we can weaken in other ways but not to 30% or whatever. I think alethonym is B tier but I just love that gun.
If 15% weaken is already free then tractor is realistically 15% better than no tractor, vs previously being 30% better than no tractor
@@lazykbit’s also still in the highest tier
Alethonym might have some use in raids and dungeons, having what is essentially another witherhoard with a free ammo perk is nice. The dot damage is good and works well with bait and switch weapons. Shame there's no auto loading for it though.
the dps that is lost from a single tractor user in less than 6 man content is too much to justify its use
@@devonstrickland5640 on close range combat with trench barrel shotguns or shotgun swap Tractor guy can still do much dmg On SE 2nd encounter trench barrel song of flame tractor warlock shine even on master version of the raid
Looking forward to the builds getting redone. Thank you for your work, Aegis.
Am I the only person that feels buried bloodline is terrible to use? It feels like a chore to keep up devour with, and unsatisfying to use.
It's mostly used just to get Devour haha
bring back the old debuff percentages for tractor cannon, bungie.
buried bloodline in A is extremely real. i've loved that thing since i got my hands on it for basically whatever content i'm playing that isn't a gm or a dps encounter
I also bring buried bloodline to master dungeons and raids I love it
Honestly even for GM's it feels solid to me, being able to proc Devour on literally any subclass is awesome, and having the catalyst so you can have easy access to weaken is always a plus
thanks for all your efforts, these is very healthy for the community as a hole, well done, Guardian.
I think Whisper being Optimal for day1s is a little bit of a stretch. Sure it has good dps and total damage, but you get almost 0 mobility with it. These days you basically have to move during day1 damage phases, but I do think it's viable if the team can pull it off
ppl were sitting stil inside a well for atraks lol and witness you could get 3 shots off at least b4 each attack
The witness is trivial to dodge while hardscoping tbh, and on solar warlock heat rises makes it completely free
@@thetoolie5917You never need to scope out when doing witness dmg the floor wipe attack can be dodged with one jump
@@MakabeMatsuri ight
People used it with great success on Puppeteer contest
Thanks as always!
And yea I think you're right that there isn't really an S tier exotic that we're "always" using right now. I'm curious how much of that is because of the overwhelming domination of HGLs right now? I am expecting that either Episode: Heresy or the Apollo expansion will come with a hefty nerf to HGLs...
I think you're underrating ice breaker a bit. having an unlimited ammo sniper in GM's or Master level content in general is a big deal imo. once the ignitions gets fixed it'll get even better
I might be, but I want to give it more time to settle/test before I rate it any higher
@@TheAegisRelic Fair enough. Love your content btw Aegis 👍🏾
Since anti barrier buff to deterministic chaos and volatile buff to fighting lion when paired with controlled demolition aspect on void titan ......gives a lethal out come.
Similarly Salvation grip for Stasis icefall titan is really good
Smgs with peacekeeper and strand titan are beyond good now
Hi Aegis, what are your thoughts on using Ticcu's for DPS?
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Awesome video again ❤ A Build Video would be awesome
Did you factor in the "bug" currently where repeated ignitions do compoundingly less damage for DB in your calculations?
DB was great during Season of the Wish, then once they released VH it feels like DB got taken out back behind the shed.
No it's old pre-bug numbers
Kinda wish they'd add tractor's weaken to Heartshadow and then make it so tractor has it's old weaken effect for improved void damage, could shake up that heavy slot weakening a little.
Problem with that would be powercreep, because then things like deterministic chaos would be even MORE useless and would need it to be buffed desperately. Especially since heartshadow has a lot more damage than tractor
@ I was just thinking of it as pushing heartshadow into a cooler niche while also keeping tractor superior for people who want to stack void weapons for that 50% debuff it used to have. Deterministic is a lost cause though genuinely needs a glow up to make it comparable to thunderlord. Maybe enhances volatile and gets multiple void perks like repulsor and destabilizing?
@@gungfry7728enhancing volatile would be pretty cool. But yeah, I would heartshadow got a little more love, it is a very cool exotic
I really agree with you alot of the exotics feel good but not s tier and its just sad we need more broken exotic weapons nothing really feels broken this season
seeing this after revision 0 has been carrying me through gm lightblade😭
Happy to see my sweet BBL getting the love it deserves.
If I could make a case here alethonym should be a B tier or A tier its a primary grenade launcher (best frame and 20% bonus damage on minors) and its catalyst according to the api is going to be one for all, its blast radius is a respectable amount so using this for both clearing ads at a distance or just sticking onto a champ and generating ammo is really useful for gms and raids (I mean come on if cenotaph, aeon, and perks that give inventory size are so good because of that why not this gun)
Sucks how Ghorn went from being SSSS in D1 to now not even being a DPS option.
btw my second drop in trials was a non-adept tomorrow's answer with Envious Arsenal and Bait and Switch. no impact casing, but it got smart drift and implosion rounds.
I got one with envious assasin/ bipod. so far I could get 5 bipod rockets in the chamber on it. Haven't got 6 yet, haven't tried tbh
You’ll probably need to retest all ignition weapons when they fix that bug. But ignitions are currently bugged making it not do the damage it’s supposed to do
Yeah I'm holding off on some ignition stuff until 11/19
I’m the biggest revision zero glazer and yeah kinda does need to be in F tier. It got outclassed by Eriana’s Vow since it got a giga buff last episode. Not saying it’s bad just kinda sucks knowing a semi niche exotic got outclassed again by the better anti barrier options.
Idgaf choir of one is the best exotic in the game and it will be glued onto my arm for all content until they gut it like a fish
Are you going to post a video about DPS rotations? I got the envious bait GL and I’m waiting for the horseman impetus inhibitor comparison
He's in trials jail for the new rocket and he doesn't have new dungeon gl either.
I think he has a few friends with the rolls though, so it shouldn't be a big deal.
I'd love a build tier list!
conditional is prob the coolest exotic in both games and for some reason it needs buffs
Aegis you are throwing at edge of conc
wondering what you think of the prospector still? I see it's low on the docs but you had it recommended as consitent heavy exotic on one of your last videos. if it is good is it only because of the seasonal mods?
It's decent, just not a standout
Actually Surprised to see deterministic chaos so low. Was using it with a cadmus ridge lancecap build the other day and I was clearing the highest difficulty lost sector nearly 40 light under on that day in around 3 minutes each run. . . Though I can definitely see why it's so low I think it is definitely still worth using with specific builds
Me personally, darci is the best wepaon in the game.
Can't wait to see where icebreaker is. I've put nearly 4k kills on it since I got it on day1. Such a fun weapon. It's staying glued to each stasis build I make going forward.
Hopefully F tier
@@ferowawsay you ain’t got it without saying you ain’t got it
@@MangoMan1280 i do and it's trash
Destiny players when a weapon doesn't allow them to use it as a clutch to one shot everything: "Trash"
@ Destiny players when an exotic does fuck all but it was a Destiny 1 exotic:
RIP my boy still hunt :(
I agree with everything except bad juju. It is an easier to use more potent necrochasm with built in super regen. Definitely deserving to be the the same tier as necrochasm at least.
bad juju has no aoe tho, which is the only reason necro is even up there.
@ you clearly haven’t used bad juju since the buff. It has a very strong aoe that gets buffed by string of curses to be higher damage than necrochasm. It also procs off body shots and the aoe can proc itself making it much easier to use and stronger than necrochasm.
@ i meant to say good aoe, its aoe is fine once youve maxed out string of curses but compared to what you get from a single kill on necrochasm its really not that good. also the aoe is nowhere near as wide and cannot chain in the way necro can so it really isnt thay great. on top of that super energy is incredibly easy to generate whether its from orbs or passively through damage so bad juju isnt ever part of the conversation when it comes to go to primaries, for most people anyway.
@@postmental_thoughts having to hit precision hits with a 720(900) rpm auto is much more cumbersome than hitting body shots. The super regen is relevant and the aoe has the same radius as necro but it does more damage. Not much else needs to be said.
@ maybe if you play on controller you might have troubles but otherwise i really dont think so. earlier today i tried them both out in highest tier lost sectors and solo haunted sectors and checked the speed of which i could complete them with each weapon with builds that would maximise their efficiency and honestly while necro did do a bit better there wasnt as much discrepancy as i assumed. ill concede i was maybe a bit harsh on bad juju but nonetheless necro still did outperform for most of the runs i did. even while building into my super with the bad juju build i still found that the rates if which i could have my super up were perceptible but not really that drastically different in terms of actually having good opportunities to use my super, so the slightly slower but entirely braindead way of getting relatively fast supers that is just generating orbs and using armour mods that increase your charge rate isnt all too much worse than bad juju in the scheme of things.
I was surprised to hear you say that theres a big exotic heavy presence in the endgame meta right now. Pretty much everyone I see is still using a GL. But then again I'm also far from an elite player, LMAO. Is it mostly just Parasite and Levi's?
Parasite, wardcliff, and Overture are allmeta in new dungeon. Probably what he's referring to
The only place where, in my humble opinion, merciless is still better than choir, and that is both ir yut and starting at duo nez
Yeah in lowmans it still has a small home :3
Just out of curiosity and completely opinion based, do you prefer metas that have no exotic weapons in S tier? Or do you think its more exciting, fun, etc. to have an exotic so good people build their entire strategies around them?
Personally, I find seasons where nothing stands out too much far more enjoyable. More builds tend to be viable and you end up getting a lot more variety in your playstyle. What people miss in times like these is that you can still build entire strategies around an exotic if you want but the key is that you have options. Otherwise I’m just gonna be stuck on whatever S tier option exists for 4 months.
Honestly no S tiers is nice. No S tier means no weapon is truly dominant and the meta isn't super narrow. Instead of the usual use x or do jack shit metas we have a proper varied meta where there's no one right answer right now. That's better for the health of the game in my opinion. S tiers just don't play all that interestingly after the first 10 times.
I don't really mind either way to be honest
Cloudstrike in C tier surprised me. I've been using it a lot ever since still hunt got nerfed.
@@kyedastill hunt is very much not goated lol
@@kyeda Cloudstrike has always had higher dps then still hunt just not higher total.
@@kyedaUsing cloud strike needs as more skills as using still hunt ……..since both need to do precision shots to maximize the dmg
@@kyeda yes its still good ofc it is, but its not so good you need to use it at all times to keep up. good one though
what would be considered the best heavy void weapon to pair with choir of one?
chill inhibitor, edge transit, faith-keeper or tomorrow's answer? (faith keeper is the only heavy with explosive light on this list, everything else has bait and switch) (chill inhibitor and tomorrow's answer have envious arsenal, the other two have auto loading as preferable for sustain damage)
Chill inhibitor is stasis but for the other 3 it depends what you're doing. Faith keeper does less damage per rocket being a precision frame but holds more reserves so it's nice for general gameplay.
ET has the best perks on the best archetype and has OP artifact synergy IMHO.
@@Based_Shogunedge transit isn’t the best archetype anymore though
The new void rapid gl from the event is actually good
Rapid fire void GL Acosmic has BnS with clown cartridge or air trigger
No S Tier also comes from extremely strong Legendarys.
goodbye witherhoard, I'll miss you and the 15k kills I got with you
Fighting Lion is not listed in S tier; credibility evaporated.
are you still going to do the 1 build for every armor exotic video?
Yeah but very delayed
RIP Witherhoard 😢
C tier or bust
G-Horn in B tier I love to see it
Yepppp
If nobody got me I know Leviathan's Breath got me
rev zero in f tier is CRAZY
Just being honest :P
If weaken is free now, bungie should bump tractor up to 50%.
Normal void weaken through abilities and perks is only a 15% damage increase. Tractor Cannon and Tether are the only two sources of weaken that increase damage by 30% instead.
Ice Breaker is definitely NOT D tier. With a good stasis selection, this thing turns into an add clear monster. Constant shatter and ignitions. It also serves as a viable swap weapon for damage rotation due to free ammo just for getting ad kills (and assists).
Remember that this is a list made for the tippy top 1-10% level of gameplay, Icebreaker is very good but he also stated a good ad clear option can just be popping prismatic. I still used it in gms and such but snipers as a whole still struggles a little
Bring it into a GM then get back to me
@ I did. It was amazing.
@@thrax4939 It's fantastic in GM's. I've been using it in lightblade this week and it's comfortable having an unlimited ammo sniper that can add clear and does pretty good damage to champs and yellow bars
Hmmm... Add clear... On a sniper? I see your saying it has add clear, but it's also a sniper. And why would I do that, when I could run like, a pulse, hand cannon, sidearm. Literally any of the above, and not have to worry about landing a sniper shot on adds. Also, it's not a chain reaction sort of effect, so it only gets that first burst.
you put bastion in E tier but I saw someone using it to 2 phase corrupted pupeteer on hunter
It's definitely underrated imo but still quite niche
parasite rlly feels amazing on vesper and its great in other content, never used it bfr but i like it a lot now
that being said, as much as it pains me, it makes me so happy for icebreaker to be in D, ppl praising on this gun when if you do the same stuff with it and a legendary sniper and the legendary has more uptime is wild, someone needs to tell bungo that 1 bullet every 2 kills has less uptime than a single red bar with a chance to give you 14~ no scavenger or anything, not taking into account discord or fttc btw, this is without running stasis, but for me running stasis is a nerf by itself, so now i got a double nerf by icebreaker and another one by stasis, the new archetype helps but also does damage, for me it feels bad more than good, feels great for tose oneshots, but when it doesnt..... and if it does also hurts the gun bcs then it doesnt count for the ammo generation, a normal 90rpm most of the time doesnt kill in one shot, so i change to a primary and finish with it, a play style that would greatly help icebreaker.....
Necrochasm should be S++++ tier sorry you're wrong.
Crazy he put icebreaker in D. S+ exotic. By it self its probably D but if you build into it and can hit your sniper shots it’s amazing.
It's there for now until I can see it flourish a bit more, and that's even a little generous given what's in E
I’ve been using it in GMs with prismatic Hunter(HIMO and Cent) the duskfield grenade and smoke with the ability spam build it deletes champions and you get back like 4-5 shots per champion kills so it’s like infinite ammo. It does take some skill to use but it’s my go to exotic for gms rn. Smoke makes it go through barriers and shattering with ignition for unstops.
You think it's a good thing that there are no s/s+ or meta definig exotics in this sandbox?
I think it's fine, not too opinionated about it
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Red Death Reformed - No splash damage and unnecessary sustain ---> F tier
But
Buried Bloodline which also has no splash damage and unnecessary sustain is A tier?
And Red death doesnt need ammo while BB needs special ammo?
Not saying Red death needs to be A tier but for how close these 2 are, having 4 whole tiers between them doesnt seem right
Buried Bloodline does good dmg to beefier targets, gives health back on hits, gives better healing (devour) and devour gives grenade energy, when u have devour u weaken targets, its way better buddy
Just run Red death on master content You will see why ppl choose burried bloodline
Build video next please!
man... I dont play D2 anymore and I use these videos to kind of judge if I believe the meta is healthy (by my metrics) and the fact that exotics are no longer build-defining is just sad. I will probably never return to D2 given the direction this is going.
i dont play the game much anymore but isnt that a good thing??? wouldnt you have much higher build variety if your exotic is used to supplement a build rather than being the only reason the build is viable. i thought more options and player freedom was a good thing.
LETS GO BABY
Only one optimal GM option, yeesh
Aggressive frame fusion guy here. I think you forgot to put Coriolis force in the S tier of this list.
Personally, I think revision zero is a tier or so higher. Not because it itself is really strong, but because it enables double special while still having a primary. Though I think we tend to value weapons for different reasons. I focus on if a weapon enables a unique gameplay loop that's reasonably powerful rather than how meta it is for my personal exotic tier list.
Does the VH column represent this season or last? I'm confused 6:47
Vesper's host maybe?
He initially did a small update to the tier list sometime around Vesper's host (I can't remember if it was before or after) and then did a more comprehensive pass with Festival.
Any notes on The Chaperone?
Not enough of a buff to shift it meaningfully
I still dont get the No hesitation and lumina reasoning, they stack? so shouldnt there be no reason for lumina to be worse than before?
You don't really tend to run both as it's a big loss in uptime for whatever else you want to do, and No Hesitation is an even greater bonus than Lumina since it's 10% multiplicative
@ cant like 2 different poeople use them tho? And no hesitations takes some time to proc while lumina is almost instant
The biggest difference is that Lumina doesn't splash as well
@@TheAegisRelic IT SPLASHES?
I'm pretty sure it does but I'll double check at some point
shorter Aegis videos = :(
Longer Aegis = :)
Polaris Lance is amazing for GMs is it not?
Not really It restricts your mobility and it has inherent low dmg every shot while the solar ignition can only be proced with 4 precision shots so not really good for add clear Rocket sidearms do a better job add clearing and it also allows players to move around and can also help reduce ability cooldown for ability spam The most important Sitting in the back of the room shooting scout rifles is not effective and is not safe in most scenarios （like in GM Light Blade this week etc ）Polaris only stood out in season of the wish with solar artifacts
It was 2 seasons ago
Not without artifact support
arables is best in slot when i have a linear fusion rifle bounty and im not taking off eager lol
arables, arbalest*
@@4_xenon672you do know that there is an edit button for UA-cam comments right?
How will this affect lebrons legacy
Give Still Hunt a catalyst that provides a stacking damage buff on precision hits (maybe 5% up to max of 6 for 10s, just spitballing though I recognize that might be way too much) to make shooting it raw not that bad and also to give the GG shots a damage boost without having to play Nighthawk Hunter. I don’t think that would be absolutely busted, but even it if is it’s now good on all classes
Great list, D might be too high for icebreaker ngl, if it wasn’t a new iconic gun I don’t think many would use it if at all
Doesnt deterministic chaos have intrinsic anti-barrier now though?
Still not really relevant
I have that Roll Tomorrows Answy
another tier list, another ruinous effigy S tier placement.
Dude graviton is s tier for sure right next to sunshot i take graviton into gms and master dungeons and it slays
Still farming that EA bait inhibitor... Run 200 still nothing
I got it last night but with 65 blast radius and no spike Heart broken（1d22h spent in vesper）
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